REAL WORLD | KTM 1390 Super Duke R + BMW M 1000 R
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- The KTM 1390 Super Duke R might be sexy on a sun-drenched circuit with slicks, but what's it like in the real world? We grabbed a BMW M 1000 R as a companion to find out...
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"We should have asked her what she prefers" 😂 the little gems that make 44 teeth what it is.
"obviously anal" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I've just spent a week in Belgium and Germany. I couldn't agree more with your comments about the collapse of this country. It was pure hedonism driving on roads in the first world for a change, where police forces oddly prioritise crime over speeding... and councils don't allow potholes to exist.
Once you travel you realise that Britain is used by rich people to avoid taxes and to secure their wealth. They don't care about the roads or anything else because they just hop in a private jet and go to nicely run countries.
Well, don't move to the US then. Talk about the collapse of a country!
I had the Speed Triple 1200 Rs a few months back and yeah amazing bike but a total and complete utter waste of a bike in the Uk 😢pointless
Below 70 it’s fine above 70 you’re fucked by the speed limit and the wind 💨 both ways you’re basically fucked!😂
@paulcartwright7228 many german roads as you will probably be aware don't have pesky speed limits. You're treated as an adult to decide what's appropriate in the circumstances...
Speed Awareness Course, I too said speed doesn't kill and was attacked for it. I asked the presenter if he had gone abroad on holiday and he said he had, on a plane? Yes he said. Well why aren't you dead cos that sucker is doing 600 mph. The laughter went on for a full minute. He had a quiet "word" with me at the break. Any more of that an you will be off the course and get a conviction and points. My friend who was also on the course told me to "play the game" "it is all about money and control" He is right. Bad driving kills not speed itself. It is also dangerous being gobby - that could cost ya points!
Spot on, they should focus on driving standards. Most people are looking at their phones when driving FFS.
I love everything you guys put out, from BBB to bike reviews and everything between. but something about you just bantering and putting around town with no real planned topics is always so enjoyable to watch.
"Welcome to the gaper" 🤣 Excellent video as always guys much love and double deckers
so budget bike battle is quite possibly one of the best series you guys have ever put out, looking at this, would you guys ever consider a NON budget bike battle?? o.0
Knowing these three they could have a BBC Bike battle competition, just because it's BBC haha
@@PrinceAndrewFucksKids man im sure alot of us would pay to go to a cinema to watch a good BBC
Absolutely, yes
That’s a good shout!!!
Still, season one is my fave.
BBB Was much more fun when they did it with capable bikes (BBB italia or benidorm) now it's more of a circle jerk with the boys. I wish they went back to the old format.
Out the "vag or sunroof" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great Video. I still think Aprilia with the RSV4 was the game changer back in the day. V4 Gigi helping develop the bike. It was and still is unreal. 😊
We need more of you 2 just on rides together
And boothy!
Clicked for the banter, stayed for the placenta.
A very realistic test in the 6 months of the year with crappy roads ! Thanks to Vines for helping 44T 🍻😎
I'm incredibly happy to have bought the 1390 SDR EVO. The running in phase was already amazing and now I can finally open it up (shortly). It's incredible on twisty mountain roads here in Switzerland
Where you get huge fines for going 1kph over the speed limit?l?😂
@@Showmetheevidence- German border with unlimited highways is near, and some remote mountain passes don't have any speed cameras or cops around, if you go both ways, checking it out before returning, you can open up to 2kph over the limit!
@@Flo_rian_A :D
Let us know when it starts falling apart
@@SAMFICOM He'll probably lose his license before the bike fails. Shouldn't take long!
On the topic of road rules 20:20, why not have a two-tiered licence system like “Standard” and “Advanced”. If you’re Advanced you can drive at any speed on national roads and motorways, but you can lose the advanced accreditation by doing silly or illegal things and are then demoted for 1 year.
Additionally, insurers would likely offer lower premiums for Advanced drivers/riders. Or maybe be mandated to do so.
Obviously it would require additional training, which is where drivers/riders are thought common sense driving skills, like use your accelerator when entering a fast moving motorway; right most lanes are for overtaking only; position yourself extreme right if taking a right turn to allow traffic flow on your left; accelerate when overtaking and reduce acceleration/speed when being overtaken; be ready when lights turn green (minimal gaps); day time running lights are NOT a replacement for headlights at night; if taking the next exit off the motorway get in lane on time (not last minute thereby holding everyone else up); advanced understanding of blind spots and use of mirrors; acceleration sense (accelerate away from hazards and let off the accelerator sooner to buy time to weigh up scenarios); and so on!!
No way mr Forest Fumbler Fagan tells you to meet in a forest
"Ugh you're not allowed to drunk drive anymore..." Hahaha
“You look cool too!” Ah man, you guys are funny. You remind me of me and my pals goofing. Love the content. Bikes, pals, and laughs.
Watching your child being born is like watching your favourite pub burn down…
Yeah, but at least you can ask the midwife to put an extra couple of stitches in it for later on, for your pleasure.
@flamintasty I asked for a few extra stitches and they laughed at me like I was joking... 😢
@@paulhope3401Haha same 😂
For about $ 8k-$9k US dollars you can still find great, low mileage '18-21 mt10's over here. I found my '18 a couple of summers back, 1k mi on it and I got it for $9400. The guy hated the gas mileage. I put a Yoshimura 3/4 decat system on it and had the ecu flashed accordingly. You've got yourself a 150whp machine that brings a 💩 eating grin every time you ride it. Aside from 23-25mpg, there's NO better bang for the buck. Put a comfort seat on it and it's all day long comfortable. The only problem is, you have to stop every hundred miles for gas😅🤣.
That's some crazy rich fueling or what?? My sdr does much better, I'm kinda surprised
I live in SW London right now and Newlands Corner has been my go to when I have an hour or so for a quick spin. So utterly depressing that it's now average speeded, it not only means you can't push on but also that you're constantly looking down to make sure your speed doesn't creep over 40 so you can't actually enjoy the roads at all. Fun.
The new Super Duke is like the pub munter. First of all, you and your mates are pointing at it and saying look how wide that is.
But later on when you’re riding it, you don’t notice how wide it is.
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Super naked mega test should be good! These two, the street fighter, tuono v4, triumph 1200 and maybe the MT10 SP??
I was just thinking the decals on the Bimmer look pretty cool when Chris started slagging them off 😂 I might be a chav though
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I am a chav and I think they look shit, so maybe that's not the reason.
I like the black one!
Elstead Mill! That brings back some memories… I also set a tractor on fire on that road 😂
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Just took a look at the new EVO at my dealer yesterday. There are indeed quite a lot of updates, to say nothing of the improvements in electronics and third gen electronic suspension. What a bike!
The absolute state of the roads in the uk
Yeah I agree. I have a Superduke and was seriously considering swapping to a supermoto just to jump potholes!
You should try Ireland There are better roads in Siberia . The only saving grace is that we can't afford average speed / noise Cameras only the odd van or cop
Try Italy and change idea for GB road
For the street definitely the big Twin. Can't beat that torque.
for the German unlimited Autobahn, maybe, the rest of the time, if you are legal, you max at 65mph and barely touch 5000 rpm
@@Peskarikbore off.
I have test ride with KTM 1390 superduke R. I continuos to prefer my S1000R 2016. Love 4 cilinders, love my great S1k exhaust stock sound, love my bike handling
I love the front of the KTM, for real. Pumped for the group test. Finally on one of the bikes that will be included!
Love your work guys.. I think I’ll be buying the 1390
The super duke has always been one of my favorite bikes, especially with that wide band power of a twin. This year i finally reached the point where i can buy an expensive bike, but i was totally seduced by the m1000r competition. Picking it up in 2 weeks. Hope i made the right choice!
Update?
@LifebyDesign No regrets with the M1000R, especially with KTM and Pierer Mobility in free fall financially. The BMW does it all. Smooth, easy power, totally refined when you want it to be, and a total monster when you flog it. The flat spots in second and third gear suck for us in north America, but I'm going to BT Tune it next year. Zero regrets with the bike so far. Zero oil consumption or other issues as well. The competition model also looks utterly amazing in person. Only thing is I wish I had the RR.
I will say, the only thing I notice is a bit of wobble in the front end, consistent with what other people report. It comes on around 230km/h or up. Tightened the dampener and solved about 90 percent of it.
You guys are such a good laugh. You are best at this stuff
You guys are the absolute best! I love every video you do. Thanks so much
Thanks
Average speed zones are far better than speed vans.
As long as you know where the first and last camera are.
Go the speed limit or lower into first camera. Then you can go whatever speed you want and pull over for a minute or two before hitting the second camera 🤷♂️ average speed will be fine.
I’ve heard 😅
Hey that’s my old area too being an Aldershot boy, I used to rag my bikes around those lanes too. Namely my Rd, TDR, FZR, NC30, TL’S, etc. Then I moved to Canada in 2000. There’s no good corners in Ontario really at least not close to me, so a 2005 Bandit 1200s now with Scorpion can and Ohlins rear. Good enough for the few decent corners I can find and easy maintenance and cheap to run and insure.
Insurance is crazy here in Ontario when half the year you can’t ride due to snow and freezing rain, not to mention well into the minus temps. Haven’t even got the bike on road this year yet as it just about gets warm enough to melt all the snow on the road and then we get a freak snowstorm that buggers it all up again.
hahaha this made my day the best pov on youtube the road rage on the speed limits classic
Vines Guildford and the 2nd gen RR takes me back to when they serviced my bike and forgot to reconnect the indicators 👍🏻 nearly died rejoining the A3 after a car nearly wiped me out 😣 never had a BMW since 😔
Well I loved the "seeped venting" part of the video 😂 as for bikes I would still go for the Aprilia Tuono 1100 Factory just because it sounds epic!! And you can get really good discounts on them!
….. but it will break down before you get it home!!! Mine genuinely did every day for the week I owned it and then took it back to Colchester. I got a superduke instead.. all good and now on 10k
Just ordered the super duke evo after going for a ride out on a demo, what a hilarious road machine! re. Touch screens, Indian have had them for a few years now on the Ftr1200 carbon model. They even work with normal gloves!
Is the 1390 worth the extra financial kicking I will get over my 1290 gen 3 ?
Great laugh as these two amazing stars do what they do best! But we need more of your big trips?! Morocco? Lisbon? Loved this video!
What model Arai helmet is the Baron wearing? Probably been asked a million times so apologies.
Just a good ol classic 44Teeth video :D
“ oh , speed camera.. F offff ! “. 😂😂😂
Why does no one ever talk about reliability ? Its becoming more and more important in peoples buying decisions, if companies are not called out on it then they will just continue to produce utter shite that customers end up suffering with
This vid highlights perfectly the problem with fast bikes on UK roads nowadays. Twenty grand?! Total waste of money unfortunately.
I fully agree extremely espensive bikes for those sht roads . 😎 where I live in the north east of England we have amazing roads where I enjoy my 2023 superduke R fully upgraded .1h north on a68 and I am in Scotland . 1 hour west and I am The Lake District. 1h30m south I am in the Yorkshire dales . 1h20m sout east coast I am in Yorkshire moors just love to live in the TOON .
Luckily, not all blokes live in the 🇬🇧 😁
You guys are smashing it! Please keep the content coming. Really appreciate it.
Conclusions of the video for me :
That 1390 doesn’t look any better that my spd 1290r that I got last October fully unlock with 4 years warranty for £12k + 2.5k of upgrades including the Akra full system and loads of extras so 20k for this just basic no way .
Looking those roads you riding those bikes make me feel extremely lucky with the amazing roads we have in the north east just last Easter Sunday I make in one day 230 miles in a loop enjoying hardsite pass penines, kilder and Scottish boarder to Jedburgh and returning home to Newcastle
I have complete 3k miles on my superduke 1290 just in October when I bought it and couple of weeks ago that I restart riding it with 0 issues I love this bike and I really hope stay like this as I ride a lot .
That’s BMW is really sexy however the fun you get from any superduke is priceless as long you riding it in the correct place .
The 1390 I think is a perfect upgrade for someone coming from the 900cc group but never for someone who is in the super naked group right now .
When you are on the motorway and shift down to 1st gear and still have some rev range to play with. What a mental bike that is..... :-O
I do like those Super Dukes 🤩
My 22 S1000R was very stiff in Dynamic also. Road Mode for the suspension was very soft. I wish you guys would have put the suspension in Road Mode.
Obviously an-al really got me 👌🏻😂
It’s almost riding up my arse 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you guys kill me off
Super bikes and Placenta’s… who’d have thought the education 44 provide!
What an incredibly nostalgic drive through my old stomping ground of Guildford that was!...
I can't wait for the 44 teeth 2024 Fireblade road test review 😁
Keep the KTM 1390 videos coming, I'm lovin it! But you shouldn't feel like you have to keep your language so clean next time
Fagon and Baron vids always the best
Cracked me up about how hard bmw was but kept in pro whole time 😂😂😂. Fort fagan was gonna put in dynamic remember you liked it the best on video before 😂. Loved this video 💙👊🏼
I’m hoping for a KTM V4 superbike that blows us all away like the s1000rr did in 2010. Own a 1290 superduke R gen 3 myself as a daily. Had to look long and hard to get the right suspension setup but ones dialed in it’s even a great GT bike
What suspension mods did u do?
@@juicer404not mods just setup. Start with putting your forks an extra mark through the tripple clamps (lowering the front of the bike) and lower high speed compression to half a turn
Personally with the state the roads are these days I wouldn’t go for either sadly … that beemer looks like a fun track day bike though
For that driving might aswell have been on a Duke 390 or a Triumph Speed 400.
Was great to follow your route, I ride around Albury, newlands corner, shere, it’s lovely. 😊
My dad used to teach advanced driving to the police, they always said, "Speed doesn't kill, it's the stopping at the end of it." All that speed does is increase the risk of injury, it doesn't stop accidents. The only thing that will prevent accidents is better driving.
I used to have an S1000r and loved it, it was like an R1 with motocross handlebars. Then I got a Gen 2 SDR best bike I've ever had, never gonna sell it
Been 44th teeth we put it straight into race pro. PMSL, love it ✊
I'd look forward to a 1390 Vs 990 on the 'b roads of Britain' -
Great video as per. But your comments about the state of uk roads and the bullshit we have to put up with was bang on point. Bravo gentlemen, bravo 👏
Those bright KTM lights... they're great, but I do constantly get flashed by oncoming cars who think I have my main beam on.
Heated Grips swung the pendulum in the right direction on that cold day
Riding on roads in my old manor - very enjoyable watch!
I also grew up in that area. A little further up the hill. Yes, lots of fun. No speed camera yet, which is something.
people always say that about the 2010 BMW but the, and as you've got a 2007/8 GSXR, reality doesn't back it up. The BMW had 193bhp and a dry weight of 183kg and the GSXR had 185bhp and a dry weight of 179kg, so what would you choose ? 8bhp more or 4kilos lighter? I suppose the new electronics on the BMW made the difference.
I've been to the mill many times. Lovely pub
Great banter guys..👊
I have used my 150cc scooter as a work truck for years buy hauling and carrying just about anything and everything lol. I'm thinking that if I get the super duke, I could legit tow things with all that torque. I can imagine pulling up to a track day where my race bike is on a trailer and I'm using a super Duke to tow the trailer
First comparison of these two bikes - well done. Great review
Greeting from Kyalami , Joburg
Chris's ideal, the limit being whatever isn't dangerous, is the law in Texas. The Transp. code S 545.351: "MAXIMUM SPEED REQUIREMENT. . . . a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances then existing." There are posted limits but those are only "prima facie" evidence subject to contrary evidence of the specific circumstances.
I'd happily give Texas a look. Sounds like a very common sense approach.
I love the blue calibers 🤷🏾♂️
Always good testing, I live in Seattle the weather is about the same!
The one thing that would make the M1000R that little bit nicer on the road would be an option to set the Road, Dynamic and Race DDC suspension settings to Race Pro modes.
It’s so stiff because in Race Pro you don’t have any of the dynamic adjustment, just electronically adjustable static settings.
How do the ergonomics of these two compare with the Tuono?
It is 2nd of April in Southern (!) Sweden and it has started to snow again.....
Forecast is -13 C for tonight in Finland. Will be a month or more before I can go get my bike out.
Det är så jävla segt. Var sol och 12 grader för mig i söndags. Minus hela veckan hittills efter det…
Top top Video lads ! Lovin the Tilford Massif lol 😆 live local to Frensham myself & ditto love these roads / routes but my god the huge trench potholes are just ridiculous! Ex Rodbourgh Pupil here ! You ? Hope to see you on the local roads sometime. Dan
Great real world test guys
Chris - that double bump which caught you out after Elstead 😂 I knew it was coming and would catch you out on that big stiffy BMW !!
For that reason alone it’s the KTM for me 😊
What I really don't like on the 1390 is that KTM have put those combined rear indicator/brake lights on it, which I already hate on the BMW 😭
What a depressing state of affairs riding on U.K. roads now is. There is no point of buying anything above 300-400cc (and probably rightly so). Saying that slow bikes are more fun for most of the time. The best fun I had was on the monster s2r 800 (apart from its odd low gear ratios). Every faster bike I got after was either boring or stressful for loosing either life or license.
I left the uk nearly 20 years ago... it seems they haven't done any road repairs since. How can you even ride a bike safely there? Nige and Sue know the roads here in Spain are incredible in comparison.
Had a 1290SDR but the ergos dont suit my short stature, so sold that on. I'd go for a Tuono next personally. If i wanted an inline-four I'd go Japanese and save some money.
That KTM would be in my garage if I could be sure it's electronics management light wasn't going illuminate. The BMW just looks less fun for UK roads. Are either more fun than my 16 plate MT10? I doubt it.
Is that Vines Motorrad Guilford? I bought my Tiger 900 GT Pro from there. was a good purchasing experience (aside from all the road works around Guilford)
Also, how do you go from a 10 mil valuation to a 5 mil valuation in the same breath 😂
I’m a little star struck that you boys have been around my area and to the spots I go to……surprised you didn’t visit box hill and Ryka’s new look burger joint.
You wouldn't be riding those bikes without lories!
Calm down Trucker Tim!
Tell me why on Earth you chose to use mild steel for this bracket?? Why mot use a nice piece of aluminium plate with the centre cut out of it and it weigh a fraction of that massive piece of steel, and if you polished it would look really good too.
Liked this thanks. One thing missed is a real test of the suspension settings of the KTM because it can become sportier.
Following a Hybrid..."The collapse of society " 😂 amen to that.
With your summary of the “KTM being the one to ride to Jerez and the BMW the one for track” .
I guess if you only had one to take it would be the KTM. A sacrifice of a few tenths is better than walking like you got Rodgers by a bull!!
These two are comedy fucking gold
OMG. You lads need to come over to OZ. Get that racing feeling anywhere on our “not in towns” roads, and there are thousands of klm’s of Spain type gassing roads out here for you to rip up!
On the Bmw Did you have the suspension in road? Or did I miss that
Also having the throttle set to maximum torque is fun