Charging a Tesla Model 3 at a Gridserve site to full at 79p per kwh would cost £61.71, compared to £35.16 at a Tesla one priced at 40p per kwh. Add the membership and it's still £61 against £44 so as you said it's a no brainer
Great info, Dave, and for many the Tesla membership will save money for those doing longer journeys and who charge regularly on the public network. But it is not quite a no brainer yet for everyone. With 280 miles range, and most of my out and back journeys within that range, nearly all my charging is at home, 9p per KWh on Octopus Go, and 0p/KWh from the solar panels when the sun is shining. I only need to charge on the public network at most a couple of times a month, and some months not at all, and when I do, generally I am putting in perhaps 20KWh or so just to get me home with a comfortable margin. I am using publicly accessible Tesla chargers when I can, which is not always depending on where I'm going. A quick calculation, based on those figures you showed, Dave, indicates that on typical savings I would need to put in about 60KWh per month at Tesla chargers to save money on the £8.99 per month membership charge, compared to just using it as "guest" as I do now. But if my travel patterns change, so I am putting in that amount or more, then it does become a no brainer to take out that Tesla membership and I will do so. Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on your channel, Dave, for any other great tips and news about charging.
You don't have to have the app or save money at all. However, I'm sure if the major petrol stations were offering half-price petrol and diesel for £8.99 a month, you guys would jump at the chance
Imagine doing it when you go to the supermarket. Petrol stations are missing out on all this digital loyalty stuff. Heck, I even get the Screwfix app out before I go there.
I can remember the days of queuing up at Tesco petrol station because I had 5p off a litre. All because I had done my weekly shop there. Queing to save 5p per liter. 😂
I occasionally buy diesel from Tesco and flash my club card which is on an app on my phone, if that's too much for people to get thier head around then maybe not buy an EV, because they tend to have a lot more advanced tech than an old ICE banger.
Thanks for the update, will check out the annual option. EDIT: Opened the Tesla app and there's a notification about the changes. The annual membership is £90 equating to £7.50 a month!
I made a very rare 300 mile round trip yesterday and had to charge my i3 three times. I saw no evidence of a price war Dave. 73 - 85p/kW was the norm. However I did charge at a V4 Tesla near Ipswich at 36p! It was a doddle. It was all non Teslas charging too 😊
Used my first supercharger with my KIA EV6 on Friday. V4 by stoke on trent. Effortless. No membership as I do very few long range trips. Plug in, tap my card, charging started. No prepayment Unlike many they take about £40 out of your account. 43p per KW. Makes a mockery of ALL the other companies out there.
I did my first charge at a Supercharger on Saturday at Flint Mountain, North Wales. I do not own a Tesla, but a Kia EV6. Unbelievably easy and simple to use. I had already downloaded the app and added my payment details, so I just plugged in, selected the stall and charging started almost immediately. At this particular site when I charged, (36p per kWh), this option of charging was a no brainer, even without membership.
Ah, a convert at last. So why do I find and film so many people charging at a Gridserve 79p when 50 feet away is a Tesla at 30p open to all? Baffles me.
Honestly I don't think they know. I had a friend I was talking to last night, and when I said I use the superchargers. His first response was, but you don't drive a Tesla....... he has owned and been driving EVs since 2018 and he genuinely didn't know.
@@davetakesiton Not actually a convert. This was my first long trip and DC charge, as I am able to charge at home, but thanks to you Dave, I have learned so much from your videos.
Not enough Tesla chargers for non-Tesla car sites yet, but hopefully in next year there will be more v4 sites? look at m4/m5 going from west of Newbury to Plymouth….any non Tesla car drivers sites on that route?
Where do you get your comparison prices for membership vs non-membership prices for specific chargers? I will be making a trip from Glasgow to Southampton in August in a non-Tesla and would like to know specific prices on the way.
It’s all in the app. It shows normal prices (non-Tesla) but once you become a member it shows the discounted prices plus times of day. Free download for Google and Apple
For v4 chargers and being able to pay using contactless, am I right in saying these are still not open to all users yet, but will be in the future? I couldn't find any way to only find v4 chargers do you know of a map that shows v4?
Could you provide a link for getting a membership for us non tesla owners please? I googled it and couldn't find on the Tesla site where you can get the membership. I have my Ev on order and new to the whole setup.
This is good news for non Tesla owners that can make use of superchargers. Great to see that they are offering cheaper monthly payments to join the club!
Great deal. Shame there aren't more open. With only 42 Supercharger stations across the UK open to all leaves a lot of places not covered. Was hoping to use them on my current trip but the detour required makes it a non starter. Nothing on or near the M1 North of Luton or A1 south of Addertone.
Those v4 chargers have a crazy fault - they drop the cables on the floor! Almost every time I visit, I find a cable or 2 on the floor (sometimes in a puddle in recent months)
Only problem with Tesla superchargers open to all, is the locations. ie none in Kent, apart from in the channel tunnel terminal. I can only use them or longer journeys, rather than as a regular charger. I have already got membership, so happy that the price has dropped.
Agreed, I live right on the Kent border, I use Sidcup or Bromley, but more in Kent would be amazing. Maybe the M2 new ones at Moto, after all 24 brand new Tasla superchargers are there. 12 each side. We can hope
Tesla really need to open more V4 chargers in the south of england, I've noticed there's way more chargers the further north of London you go but there's practically none in the south or south west of england if there were one near me I'd use it all the time.
It’s all down to patience. Tesla currently has over 50 “open to all” superchargers and average 10 bays per location so in sheer size they are bigger than Fastned and ionity already. They will get bigger, from Cornwall to Scotland new ones are opening.
Hi Dave. I cannot charge from home - and at £500+ to have a charger fitted to the house, I'm not sure it's worth it. My local Supercharger is at most 45p/kwh to members. I try to charge at the cheaper charger local to me, a Pod Point at 65p/kwh. 50kwh's at 45p plus the £9 membership is £31.50 and the same at 65p (no membership) is £32.50! So with the new membership, just 1 charge per month is cheaper from Tesla now by £1 per month!
If you can get a charger fitted and use at home is very much worth it. People on the EV tarriffs will tell you that routinely charging overnight at 4 - 5p a unit. On good days like last weekend then some were even reporting that there price was -8p a unit, yes they were being paid to take electricity. So can really bring down the cost of charging to the point where can be paid to charge your car. Not only that but seen some information where they reckon that a home charger can add about 5k to the saleable value of your home at the moment. Public charging is never going to be able to compete with domestic charging. If nothing else domestic is 5% VAT, whereas business is 20% unless your business usage is less then 1000kwh a month and no way is a charging station company under that threshold. The only reason to not have a domestic charger installed if have an EV is if you cannot get the charge cable to the vehicle where it is parked. Going with an 8p domestic vs 45p public then 37p a unit difference. So that is about 1600 units roughly to save £600 for an installation of a home charger. That doesn’t account for when can get good weather where can get paid to charge or the membership fee as don’t know how many units you use driving a month. However ignoring that then the figure of 60,000p / 37p then divide by 50 I make to be just over 32 at 50kwh a month used (taken the 50kwh based on your post) then would take 32 months to save the money. So less then 3 years if you use 50kwh a month driving. So unless you use only 50kwh a month to drive and have less then 3 years of driving full stop left in your life then quids into get a charger fitted.
There are also other options. A 32 amp (caravan hookup) blue commando socket fitted will cost about £150. Then you can buy a 32amp commando socket chargers for about £120. This means you have a 7.4kw charger. Selectable power as well, however also when camping etc at powered sites. All use commando sockets you can charge your car at up to 7.4kw and take it with you
You can also use an adaptor if needed. UK plug to commando socket meaning you can set the charger to charge at 13amp via a UK plug not the normal 10amp that you normally get from a granny charger.
Interesting re membership. May be a daft question but does it work in Europe if I join in the UK? I don't need a membership at home but could join for a month if qw go abroad.
There are discounts on some networks using the Octopus Electroverse card. I like Tesla but it’s not worth going out of your way to find a charger when there are SO MANY non-Tesla chargers springing up. Of course, I charge mostly at home and have access to other cheap charging at my regular destinations so it has little impact on my overall running costs.
actually 50 and each one has an average of 10 bays, that's way bigger than Ionity with 27 hubs and less than 6 bays per location and Fastned with 22 hubs and 4 bays per location and growing by the day. I know of at least 15 others under construction, and my nearest one has 15 bays.
Just been looking at Ionity. Non membership price is 74p kWh, with a membership fee of £5.59 per month that brings it down to 56p kWh. However if you pay £13.99 a month via Audi Charging it brings it down to 44p kWh. It’s so confusing trying to work out what’s the best option. At least it’s simple as there is no peak or off peak tariff.
Yea but like my home utility off peak rate, it’s not something you need to do often. I did my homework, chose the best one and stuck with that for 4 years until they increased it. And that’s exactly the same as choosing the cheapest petrol station and sticking with it while prices nearby vary slightly.
My home off-peak electricity cost is far less than the daytime rate. I expect those, like ionity, who don’t have off-peak rates pay far less for their electricity during the night. Where I worked (nearly 40 years ago) consumed about 15MW during the day shifts (just about get down to 10MW for a couple of hours at a very tight squeeze) but ran flat out at about 25MW through the nightshift because the reduced night tariff was so advantageous.
I had a deal with my new Hyundai and Ionity where it was only £0.23 pence per kilowatt. Got it for 12 months. It has finished now so I use tesla at £0.30 instead. Now at £8.99 not £10.99 👍
@@SimonR-uj1vi Yes I’ve got Audi charging free for a year buuut there are not many Ionity chargers in the UK and the closest one to me is 70 miles away so never used it.
I was forced to use BE.EV charger last night, at a ridiculous 82p per kWh!!!!! I hope Tesla install more superchargers around Greater Manchester, especially at the airport, very soon.
@ £0.82 pence per kilowatt is pure profit. It is like the 20% vat at public chargers. How on earth they expect the 40% of people that don't have driveways or off-street parking to adopt the move to EVs they don't make it easy.
@@SimonR-uj1vi It could be made a lot easier for most if you could have dedicated parking outside your own house and cable gully's or posts. People in flats with dedicated parking should be able to have chargers fitted. The technology is available and affordable. But that would take effort from councils, and they're only interested in vanity projects, imposing taxes and photo opportunities.
Thanks again Dave. As a non Tesla owner, do you know if the membership applies in Europe? Do we get the discounts on Europe chargers? Going to France in July.
Hello Dave - many thanks for the video. I found it interesting as a non-Tesla driver. One question though, how do you know where the all-vehicle superchargers are?
I drive a Hyundai. I did have a deal with Ionity/Hyundai at £12 per month for 0.25p per KW, but that has now ended. The closest thing was the Tesla one and now at £8.99 just got even better value
Yes, Steve, first port of call the web site, click charging, supercharger, find and enter your post code. Then deselect the dealers and destination until you just have "open to all". You can click on any to get non-member prices and charger details. Or download the app, Google and Apple, and that only displays "open to all", along with a map, the membership button and the prices and tariff hours both as non-members and members.
All Tesla superchargers that are open to non-Teslas have CCS2 plugs. All European chargers have CCS2 plugs. Some choose to fit Chademo plugs as well, although most are now passing them out.
Here's an interesting calculation. If you charge 50kWh at 79p that costs £39.50. If you join Tesla membership £8.99 and charge at 24p that costs £20.99. Even at 50p = £33.99 in other words it's cheaper to join for just one charge of 50kW and enjoy the cheap rates they offer off-peak.
Cancelling your membership is so easy. You just click onto your name or membership an cancel membership, it will now not renew next month. Easy as that.
There was no “regulation” that forced Tesla to share with other car makers. Ford CEO Jim Farley asked Elon if they would share and the rest is history.
Tesla jumped before they were pushed and opened up European SuC sites, long before Jim Farley lobbied Elon. They do however now have access to EU and UK funds to continue their rollout.
That came much later. The conditions of the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) state that to get grants, subsidies or tax breaks or to bid for locations, chargers need to have a standardised plug and be available to all without apps, RFID, or membership and accept contactless payment. Tesla could have proceeded alone exclusive to Teslas without any grants etc but decided they were too good to miss. They agreed to open some of the existing superchargers and most of the future ones to all vehicles. Once the IRA deal was agreed, Ford in 2023 and others immediately saw that if they simply fitted the NACS sockets onto their EVs, and paid a royalty to Tesla, they would do all the rest. An easy way out of their pathetic charger network, appalling reliability and atrocious reputation which was holding back sales of their EVs.
EV sales are tanking, and it's even hitting Tesla hard now. They've slashed prices so many times, and it's not making any difference, so next thing is charging costs to try and keep sales going. Not sure this is going to make any difference in reality, and every time Tesla do this, it affects profits, shareholders and their share price. It also affects the second hand market (which for EV's is already in freefall), and it affects the loyalty of customers who might have payed 20% more just 6 months ago. Bad, bad, bad (or good, if you have a different opinion!)
Why so anti? You buy a smartphone and it drops in value the day you buy it and drops every single day, then crashes when they launch the next model. Have you stopped buying smartphones? I pay £6 at home to charge my battery for 250 miles. In petrol at 50mpg that would be over £30. I will never go back. Ever. Ever. My older EV has dropped in value, but the new one has dropped even more and will be a better, faster, more economical EV with masses of new tech. I will buy another EV. I'm not stupid.
I only use Tesla superchargers as no option to charge at home. I also WONT pay BP or Ionity £50+ a recharge. If I absolutely have to, I will onlynput enough to get me to a Tesla supercharger. However with Tesla, it works out £20 for over 300 miles with over well over 300bhp. In a petrol car with that kind of power would be at least £60 to do the same millage. I spend about £80 a month for 1200+ miles.
I've got the Tesla Powerwall & App i tryed to add my non Tesla car to it but it asked me for a pass number and i couldn't work out what number they wanted can anyone help please ?
If you're trying to add it to use superchargers then you can't. You just rock up to an open charger and select 'charge your non tesla, then choose the stall number.
Hi Dave. I am a non tesla driver corsa e my local j47 M4 services Swansea this is currently not ope to non tesla cars. But if I pay the monthly membership, do you know if I get access. As I would get the £90 annua membership. Any information would be appreciated....Jonathan
Sorry Jonathon they’re either open or not open no matter if you’re a member or not. Download the Tesla app and all the open to all superchargers are shown. Not Swansea, yet, nearest would be Carmarthen or Newport
Excellent video Dave, I have recently bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 and this will be my first EV. I have looked into the charge Hyundai deal with Hyundai and have tried working out the memberships etc but really confusing. Have you got any videos on how this works or recommend any?
When it was £11.25 a month to make it £0.23p per kw it was great. My Ioniq 5 would only cost about £10-15 to recharge. However, now the Tesla deal works out cheaper as the discount with Ionity and Hyundai works out 48p I think per kw. Tesla works out at 32p so about £20-22 a recharge. Also my ioniq 5 will charge 10 to 90% in about 30 to 40 minutes. Hope this helps
@@SimonR-uj1vi I plan on very rarely travelling long enough distances in order to rapid charge. But may think about going abroad and wondered if it would be easier to get the Charge Hyundai deal to make it easier to top up abroad. I saw you can add Ionity to reduce the cost of Ionity, but you may be right on the Tesla deal as that looks very interesting. Hopefully, it will lead to further reductions on other providers
With only four bays at the moment - and the only place I have queued in over a year! However there is a new Tesla showroom built on the other side of Boucher Road and they are putting in another dozen and the installation team was in NI looking at other sites last month
Great news on the discounted membership. I'm already a Tesla member. I drive a Hyundai that claims to do 328 miles. In all honesty, it's more like 300-310. I only charge the car ONCE a week at a Tesla supercharger. 12 miles from home. It works out I pay £80 per month to drive 1200 ish miles. It's an absolute no brainer! My last diesel car to do 1200 miles would have easily been £140-150. Now, £10.99 was great value, £8.99 is even better. 😊
Sorry to update £89 a month to do 1200-1250 ish miles. I forgot to add the membership fee. Without it, it would cost me approx £196 at any of the other major charging providers at £0.74p per KW. Not worth it at all, this is where a diesel would be cheaper, by about £40 a month. This is not including Road fund licence (road tax). However now due to some Tesla superchargers open to any EV @ £0.30 per KW. I now save £60 a month just on fuel. Then of course, no congestion charges, Ulez, RFL, even free parking at paid car parks, as if your EV is on charge its free to park.
@shogunpxp Yes, absolutely, you can, currently only the chargers on the open part of the network. These can be seen in the Tesla app. More to be added this year.
Hi Dave - love the videos! I have a Zoe 50kWh and charge at a Tesla charge point whenever I can - it is so much cheaper and easier. We journeyed from the Netherlands, through Belgium, and to Germany using just Tesla points. It was a breeze (although we did get some looks from Tesla owners...) However, I have a spreadsheet that works out the cost of charging at Tesla points with and without membership - you have to use at least 60kWh a month before it is cheaper to get the membership (it used to be over 100kWh @ £10.99, until the recent price drop to £8.99). For those that use CCS on a regular basis it makes perfect sense, but for the occasional user like myself, non-membership can be cheaper. I'd like to share the spreadsheet somewhere but don't know where to - any thoughts?
I'm not sure if you know, but some Renault can AC charge at 43kw. Not that many about now days, but even at a 22kw AC, it only takes a couple of hours. Why other manufacturers stick to 11kw AC also you tend to find the 40kw AC are far cheaper than the DC. Normally Gridserve but I used to find I could plug into a 50kw Gridserve DC at then 54p I think and get about 45kw max and watch Zoes arrive plug into AC and get 40+kw AC (on board charger much faster) for like 20p
I don’t use DC chargers much (nearly 300 miles range and with home charging) but I am sure I would try my damnedest to arrange a top-up at a supercharger if necessary. It is a no-brainer! I’m quite sure I could find a supercharger, open to all EV makes, somewhere on my route before being forced to charge at the daylight-robbery rates
@@oliver90owner You need to watch the video to get the point. Tesla is much cheeper. Our Kona also 300 miles and charge at home but just off to Scotland from SE.
Just why we are on the conversation of cheaper charging. If you can only charge at public chargers. Maybe Tesla don't have chargers on the open network close to where you live. I have found another app, it appears that for a membership fee. Charging is reduce on many networks but significantly on their partnered operators. Which as far as I can work out are Ionity, BP Pluse, Ewiva and Audi hubs in the Uk. Also it has very good European coverage. It looks like it reduces the DC charging to £0.44p per kw. Now BP do have a very large network. I personally just won't pay £0.79p or even £0.63p even as a BP member. £0.63p per kw is not that great tbh. However £0.44p per kw is certainly a lot better. Although it's still not as cheap as Tesla superchargers. It just might be another option, especially if you have BP or Ionity on the doorstep and not an open Tesla one. At 44p per kw it is definitely worth a look. It's called ELLI and it is available on both the Apple or Google stores. Just worth a mention.
Comparing to my BMW charging pass this isn’t really worth my while. BMW is cheaper during peak hours and more expensive on the of peak hours. So over all I will keep the BMW pass for my needs.
ATM there are 8 open supercharger sites in Scotland so I'm not sure if I would take a membership yet. Although I used the larkhall one yesterday for a quick top up. If I did this after midnight it would be almost as cheap as charging at home (not on EV tariff yet). What would be fun would be if the Tesla only sites were opened up to cars with the charging port on the same position as Tesla like my MG4. (He wouldn't, would he?)
My charging port is totally in the wrong place for a V2 or V3 however I just pull up at a slight angle and make it fit. Better this, than blocking 2 bays
Just seen tesla has reduced the price per unit on all the non members chargers. Larkhall now 42p for non members and 34p for members. Eurocental 40p and 33p. These are the better reductions, as far as I know the others are 3p cheaper than before.
I have to totally disagree with that. I used to only use Ionity with my Hyundai, and an average charge would take 50 ish minutes. This was from 10 to 90%. However at Tesla it only takes me 30-35 minutes to do the same percentage. I find it tends to charge at the maximum rate, that the vehicle can charge at, and for a longer period of time. At Tesla it will go from 10% to 90% at the maximum rate, almost the whole time.
@@SimonR-uj1vi Well I have an ev6, so should easily charge at full speed. I preheated the battery and charged @ Tesla St Andrews in Birmingham @ around 5am. I was the only car there, with a capacity of around 16 units. The Tesla chargers show as 250kw on the app. I charged @ around 90kw and as soon as I hit 80% it dropped to 4 or 9kw (I can't remember). Checking my invoice I put in 47kwh and that took exactly 30 minutes. Granted it is my only experience with Tesla, but safe to say I wasn't impressed especially since I went out of my way off the motorway to go there. Suffice to say I didn't use them on the return journey.
It will be the car battery management system that regulates the charging rate, surely? Not withstanding other factors such as ambient temperature pre-conditioning, etc
I never pre-condition my battery on my Hyundai, I have tried using the winter mode. However the only different was I would get full power from the minute I left home. Rather then almost full for the first few minutes. To protect itself, I'm guessing. I have always got almost max charging speeds even from 4% to 90% at which point it did slow to about 43kw then 22kw ish just to finish. Hence I normally unplug at around 90%
Why? Exactly how bad are they🤔. They certainly don't pump out carcinogenic toxins in their wake that gets invested into the lungs of the unsuspecting....sounds great to me and my grandchildren.
@@danny29xfunny how ICE drivers mysteriously never mention how their selfish pollution affects the health of unsuspecting bystanders as they chug by..well done, your grandkids will surely love you for it 👏👏👏👏 But I'm guessing that you just don't care about anyone else.
Except networks like Tesla or even many home suppliers like E.On and EDF in fact many now that only use green electricity to supply power to the network or home. Even now in the USA they are starting to use old EV batteries thay are being recycled to store power at charger sites, so not to be any demand on the grids and store and then feed it back to vehicles. A bit like Vehicle To Load I guess, where you can use your EV to actually power your home. Then replace that electricity after 11pm when it's not in demand and very cheap.
There is not a price war going on…..stop saying it. Because the cheapest provider has decided to reduce the subscription isn’t a price war because it’s already the cheapest…. And at the same time the prices on other suppliers just keeps going up so where is the evidence for your bold claim? I suspect the real reason tesla have dropped the subscription is because very few are taking it up…..that’s because it’s already relatively cheap.
Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to watch this video. Judging by your comment history you appear to be motivated purely by trolling and posting hate. That's really sad. I pity you.
Charging a Tesla Model 3 at a Gridserve site to full at 79p per kwh would cost £61.71, compared to £35.16 at a Tesla one priced at 40p per kwh. Add the membership and it's still £61 against £44 so as you said it's a no brainer
Yes, on the Tesla App. Bristol, UK - Lysander Road. BS10 7DD.
Great info, Dave, and for many the Tesla membership will save money for those doing longer journeys and who charge regularly on the public network. But it is not quite a no brainer yet for everyone. With 280 miles range, and most of my out and back journeys within that range, nearly all my charging is at home, 9p per KWh on Octopus Go, and 0p/KWh from the solar panels when the sun is shining. I only need to charge on the public network at most a couple of times a month, and some months not at all, and when I do, generally I am putting in perhaps 20KWh or so just to get me home with a comfortable margin. I am using publicly accessible Tesla chargers when I can, which is not always depending on where I'm going. A quick calculation, based on those figures you showed, Dave, indicates that on typical savings I would need to put in about 60KWh per month at Tesla chargers to save money on the £8.99 per month membership charge, compared to just using it as "guest" as I do now. But if my travel patterns change, so I am putting in that amount or more, then it does become a no brainer to take out that Tesla membership and I will do so. Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on your channel, Dave, for any other great tips and news about charging.
40p per kwh? everything i see says its 54p
Imagine for a moment needing an app or a monthly membership to buy petrol... yet here we are.
You don't have to have the app or save money at all. However, I'm sure if the major petrol stations were offering half-price petrol and diesel for £8.99 a month, you guys would jump at the chance
Imagine doing it when you go to the supermarket. Petrol stations are missing out on all this digital loyalty stuff. Heck, I even get the Screwfix app out before I go there.
If the petrol station was offering you a 20% discount for signing up to a loyalty subscription on an app, what would you do?
I can remember the days of queuing up at Tesco petrol station because I had 5p off a litre. All because I had done my weekly shop there. Queing to save 5p per liter. 😂
I occasionally buy diesel from Tesco and flash my club card which is on an app on my phone, if that's too much for people to get thier head around then maybe not buy an EV, because they tend to have a lot more advanced tech than an old ICE banger.
Thanks for the update, will check out the annual option. EDIT: Opened the Tesla app and there's a notification about the changes. The annual membership is £90 equating to £7.50 a month!
Thanks Richard no doubt see you more often at Trentham
I made a very rare 300 mile round trip yesterday and had to charge my i3 three times. I saw no evidence of a price war Dave. 73 - 85p/kW was the norm.
However I did charge at a V4 Tesla near Ipswich at 36p!
It was a doddle. It was all non Teslas charging too 😊
I could do that with one charge on route and have 200 m left with Kona.
@@toad008 high risk having just 200 meters left!
exeter doesnt have V4 which i think is crazy, they need v4 TO COMPETE WITH GRID SERVE
Used my first supercharger with my KIA EV6 on Friday. V4 by stoke on trent. Effortless. No membership as I do very few long range trips. Plug in, tap my card, charging started. No prepayment Unlike many they take about £40 out of your account. 43p per KW. Makes a mockery of ALL the other companies out there.
Imagine as a member with discounted charging. When you see people using Gridserve or BP at £0.79p per kw. Madness 😮
Exeter is now open to the public. 39 and 47p at peak with membership.
Sorry Stephen but it’s the Tesla service centre Exeter open to all, not the M5 services yet
I did my first charge at a Supercharger on Saturday at Flint Mountain, North Wales. I do not own a Tesla, but a Kia EV6. Unbelievably easy and simple to use. I had already downloaded the app and added my payment details, so I just plugged in, selected the stall and charging started almost immediately. At this particular site when I charged, (36p per kWh), this option of charging was a no brainer, even without membership.
Ah, a convert at last. So why do I find and film so many people charging at a Gridserve 79p when 50 feet away is a Tesla at 30p open to all? Baffles me.
Honestly I don't think they know. I had a friend I was talking to last night, and when I said I use the superchargers. His first response was, but you don't drive a Tesla....... he has owned and been driving EVs since 2018 and he genuinely didn't know.
@@davetakesiton Not actually a convert. This was my first long trip and DC charge, as I am able to charge at home, but thanks to you Dave, I have learned so much from your videos.
Not enough Tesla chargers for non-Tesla car sites yet, but hopefully in next year there will be more v4 sites? look at m4/m5 going from west of Newbury to Plymouth….any non Tesla car drivers sites on that route?
1 in Bristol, 1 just outside Bristol (Cribbs), 2 over bridge down the M4 and 1 at Launceston north of Plymouth!
Absolutely. Nothing at all south of the M4
@computerbob06 Cribs, in Lysander road, is Tesla only
Tesla Bristol Cribbs Causeway now open to all.
Are you sure ? The Lysander Road Superchargers are open to all, but not the ones at the Mall, Cribbs Causeway.
Any idea why I was only charged 36p per kwh instead of the listed 47p? Non member. I couldn’t believe it but super happy.
I suspect there was excess electricity in the grid, Tesla passes on the savings when they are paid to use power to balance the grid !
@@martinhammett8121 cheers for that, It was an excess energy afternoon so that’s good news for me.
Where do you get your comparison prices for membership vs non-membership prices for specific chargers?
I will be making a trip from Glasgow to Southampton in August in a non-Tesla and would like to know specific prices on the way.
It’s all in the app. It shows normal prices (non-Tesla) but once you become a member it shows the discounted prices plus times of day. Free download for Google and Apple
Thx Dave & family!
For v4 chargers and being able to pay using contactless, am I right in saying these are still not open to all users yet, but will be in the future? I couldn't find any way to only find v4 chargers do you know of a map that shows v4?
I used the one near stoke on trent on Friday, Drive a Kia EV6 and didn't use the app. Just contactless. 43p/kw
Could you provide a link for getting a membership for us non tesla owners please? I googled it and couldn't find on the Tesla site where you can get the membership. I have my Ev on order and new to the whole setup.
It's on the app when you click on a charger location
This is good news for non Tesla owners that can make use of superchargers. Great to see that they are offering cheaper monthly payments to join the club!
Bring it on Tesla, beat the competition down!
Look forward to the video for - non Tesla owners (e.g. Kona)!
I drive a Hyundai and only now charge at Tesla superchargers. Save a small fortune. More site are coming this year I have on good authority.
Wasn't this entire video about non-Tesla owners?
Great deal. Shame there aren't more open. With only 42 Supercharger stations across the UK open to all leaves a lot of places not covered. Was hoping to use them on my current trip but the detour required makes it a non starter. Nothing on or near the M1 North of Luton or A1 south of Addertone.
Those v4 chargers have a crazy fault - they drop the cables on the floor! Almost every time I visit, I find a cable or 2 on the floor (sometimes in a puddle in recent months)
I have seen this as well
Do they drop them or is it lazy users that don’t put them back properly?
@@matthewbaker6434 Sometimes they dont lock back in after you have finshed chargingi have seen this many times on the floor.
Only problem with Tesla superchargers open to all, is the locations. ie none in Kent, apart from in the channel tunnel terminal. I can only use them or longer journeys, rather than as a regular charger. I have already got membership, so happy that the price has dropped.
Agreed, I live right on the Kent border, I use Sidcup or Bromley, but more in Kent would be amazing. Maybe the M2 new ones at Moto, after all 24 brand new Tasla superchargers are there. 12 each side. We can hope
Tesla really need to open more V4 chargers in the south of england, I've noticed there's way more chargers the further north of London you go but there's practically none in the south or south west of england if there were one near me I'd use it all the time.
It’s all down to patience. Tesla currently has over 50 “open to all” superchargers and average 10 bays per location so in sheer size they are bigger than Fastned and ionity already. They will get bigger, from Cornwall to Scotland new ones are opening.
Basically the new price is £8.99 in the U.K. The rest you probably already know 😊
Hi Dave.
I cannot charge from home - and at £500+ to have a charger fitted to the house, I'm not sure it's worth it.
My local Supercharger is at most 45p/kwh to members.
I try to charge at the cheaper charger local to me, a Pod Point at 65p/kwh.
50kwh's at 45p plus the £9 membership is £31.50 and the same at 65p (no membership) is £32.50!
So with the new membership, just 1 charge per month is cheaper from Tesla now by £1 per month!
Keep an eye out for Shell community chargers in Aldi (maybe in other places as well?) 25p per kWh. Good if you have one near you.
If you can get a charger fitted and use at home is very much worth it. People on the EV tarriffs will tell you that routinely charging overnight at 4 - 5p a unit.
On good days like last weekend then some were even reporting that there price was -8p a unit, yes they were being paid to take electricity.
So can really bring down the cost of charging to the point where can be paid to charge your car.
Not only that but seen some information where they reckon that a home charger can add about 5k to the saleable value of your home at the moment.
Public charging is never going to be able to compete with domestic charging. If nothing else domestic is 5% VAT, whereas business is 20% unless your business usage is less then 1000kwh a month and no way is a charging station company under that threshold.
The only reason to not have a domestic charger installed if have an EV is if you cannot get the charge cable to the vehicle where it is parked.
Going with an 8p domestic vs 45p public then 37p a unit difference. So that is about 1600 units roughly to save £600 for an installation of a home charger.
That doesn’t account for when can get good weather where can get paid to charge or the membership fee as don’t know how many units you use driving a month. However ignoring that then the figure of 60,000p / 37p then divide by 50 I make to be just over 32 at 50kwh a month used (taken the 50kwh based on your post) then would take 32 months to save the money. So less then 3 years if you use 50kwh a month driving.
So unless you use only 50kwh a month to drive and have less then 3 years of driving full stop left in your life then quids into get a charger fitted.
There are also other options. A 32 amp (caravan hookup) blue commando socket fitted will cost about £150. Then you can buy a 32amp commando socket chargers for about £120. This means you have a 7.4kw charger. Selectable power as well, however also when camping etc at powered sites. All use commando sockets you can charge your car at up to 7.4kw and take it with you
You can also use an adaptor if needed. UK plug to commando socket meaning you can set the charger to charge at 13amp via a UK plug not the normal 10amp that you normally get from a granny charger.
Can someone tell me where I can find the option to take out the Annual Tesla Membership, Dave mentions in this video please,
so wait do you need the membership regardless of what car you have
Interesting re membership. May be a daft question but does it work in Europe if I join in the UK? I don't need a membership at home but could join for a month if qw go abroad.
Works with all Tesla superchargers that are on the open network. So if you cross to France, Holland, Germany etc all well be usable and cheap.
There are discounts on some networks using the Octopus Electroverse card. I like Tesla but it’s not worth going out of your way to find a charger when there are SO MANY non-Tesla chargers springing up. Of course, I charge mostly at home and have access to other cheap charging at my regular destinations so it has little impact on my overall running costs.
Thanks dave....much appreciated
My observation that non Telsa car owners who want the new membership option only have access to 42 hubs
actually 50 and each one has an average of 10 bays, that's way bigger than Ionity with 27 hubs and less than 6 bays per location and Fastned with 22 hubs and 4 bays per location and growing by the day. I know of at least 15 others under construction, and my nearest one has 15 bays.
But you only get these high savings if you turn up at midnight. So it might be a few charges before you get your 8.99 back.
Just been looking at Ionity. Non membership price is 74p kWh, with a membership fee of £5.59 per month that brings it down to 56p kWh.
However if you pay £13.99 a month via Audi Charging it brings it down to 44p kWh.
It’s so confusing trying to work out what’s the best option. At least it’s simple as there is no peak or off peak tariff.
Yea but like my home utility off peak rate, it’s not something you need to do often. I did my homework, chose the best one and stuck with that for 4 years until they increased it. And that’s exactly the same as choosing the cheapest petrol station and sticking with it while prices nearby vary slightly.
My home off-peak electricity cost is far less than the daytime rate. I expect those, like ionity, who don’t have off-peak rates pay far less for their electricity during the night. Where I worked (nearly 40 years ago) consumed about 15MW during the day shifts (just about get down to 10MW for a couple of hours at a very tight squeeze) but ran flat out at about 25MW through the nightshift because the reduced night tariff was so advantageous.
I had a deal with my new Hyundai and Ionity where it was only £0.23 pence per kilowatt. Got it for 12 months. It has finished now so I use tesla at £0.30 instead. Now at £8.99 not £10.99 👍
@@SimonR-uj1vi Yes I’ve got Audi charging free for a year buuut there are not many Ionity chargers in the UK and the closest one to me is 70 miles away so never used it.
I was forced to use BE.EV charger last night, at a ridiculous 82p per kWh!!!!! I hope Tesla install more superchargers around Greater Manchester, especially at the airport, very soon.
@ £0.82 pence per kilowatt is pure profit. It is like the 20% vat at public chargers. How on earth they expect the 40% of people that don't have driveways or off-street parking to adopt the move to EVs they don't make it easy.
@@SimonR-uj1vi It could be made a lot easier for most if you could have dedicated parking outside your own house and cable gully's or posts. People in flats with dedicated parking should be able to have chargers fitted. The technology is available and affordable. But that would take effort from councils, and they're only interested in vanity projects, imposing taxes and photo opportunities.
video out covering this very soon
Good news. For the world I think.
TESLA Member model 3 performance i get charged 39p any were any time day or night.
I'm sitting at a charging station in Stirling and have found the cables missing for the rapid chargers. Is copper theft a major issue with chargers?
Thanks again Dave. As a non Tesla owner, do you know if the membership applies in Europe? Do we get the discounts on Europe chargers? Going to France in July.
Yes you do any on the open network all can been seen on the Tesla app.
It seems to me that there is a price war but at the moment Tesla is the only one fighting it what we want is
Maybe the others have realised there is no point fighting, they have already lost??
Hello Dave - many thanks for the video. I found it interesting as a non-Tesla driver. One question though, how do you know where the all-vehicle superchargers are?
I drive a Hyundai. I did have a deal with Ionity/Hyundai at £12 per month for 0.25p per KW, but that has now ended. The closest thing was the Tesla one and now at £8.99 just got even better value
On the Tesla website, you can filter the map to chargers open to non Teslas.
Yes, Steve, first port of call the web site, click charging, supercharger, find and enter your post code. Then deselect the dealers and destination until you just have "open to all". You can click on any to get non-member prices and charger details. Or download the app, Google and Apple, and that only displays "open to all", along with a map, the membership button and the prices and tariff hours both as non-members and members.
so can my 16 plate zoe Type 2 & evn200 Type 1 charge on tesla charger
any chance of the NON tesla app link on apple
Tesla are CCS only, the legacy connectors for Model S/X are not a standard type 2 so won't work with your vehicles
No you cannot charge them, they have a non standard socket and cannot use the European CCS2 standard. But of course the app is available on Apple.
All Tesla superchargers that are open to non-Teslas have CCS2 plugs. All European chargers have CCS2 plugs. Some choose to fit Chademo plugs as well, although most are now passing them out.
Don't need a membership for the amount of times I use public charging. So, How much without membership?
Here's an interesting calculation. If you charge 50kWh at 79p that costs £39.50. If you join Tesla membership £8.99 and charge at 24p that costs £20.99. Even at 50p = £33.99 in other words it's cheaper to join for just one charge of 50kW and enjoy the cheap rates they offer off-peak.
@@davetakesitonIs it possible to join for just 1 month then cancel?
You can cancel, though reading on EV forums, its not done easily.
Cancelling your membership is so easy. You just click onto your name or membership an cancel membership, it will now not renew next month. Easy as that.
You will still benefit from any remaining days in your current membership period at the discounted price
There was no “regulation” that forced Tesla to share with other car makers. Ford CEO Jim Farley asked Elon if they would share and the rest is history.
Tesla jumped before they were pushed and opened up European SuC sites, long before Jim Farley lobbied Elon. They do however now have access to EU and UK funds to continue their rollout.
That came much later. The conditions of the Inflation Reduction Act (2022) state that to get grants, subsidies or tax breaks or to bid for locations, chargers need to have a standardised plug and be available to all without apps, RFID, or membership and accept contactless payment. Tesla could have proceeded alone exclusive to Teslas without any grants etc but decided they were too good to miss. They agreed to open some of the existing superchargers and most of the future ones to all vehicles. Once the IRA deal was agreed, Ford in 2023 and others immediately saw that if they simply fitted the NACS sockets onto their EVs, and paid a royalty to Tesla, they would do all the rest. An easy way out of their pathetic charger network, appalling reliability and atrocious reputation which was holding back sales of their EVs.
EV sales are tanking, and it's even hitting Tesla hard now. They've slashed prices so many times, and it's not making any difference, so next thing is charging costs to try and keep sales going. Not sure this is going to make any difference in reality, and every time Tesla do this, it affects profits, shareholders and their share price. It also affects the second hand market (which for EV's is already in freefall), and it affects the loyalty of customers who might have payed 20% more just 6 months ago. Bad, bad, bad (or good, if you have a different opinion!)
Why so anti? You buy a smartphone and it drops in value the day you buy it and drops every single day, then crashes when they launch the next model. Have you stopped buying smartphones? I pay £6 at home to charge my battery for 250 miles. In petrol at 50mpg that would be over £30. I will never go back. Ever. Ever. My older EV has dropped in value, but the new one has dropped even more and will be a better, faster, more economical EV with masses of new tech. I will buy another EV. I'm not stupid.
I only use Tesla superchargers as no option to charge at home. I also WONT pay BP or Ionity £50+ a recharge. If I absolutely have to, I will onlynput enough to get me to a Tesla supercharger. However with Tesla, it works out £20 for over 300 miles with over well over 300bhp. In a petrol car with that kind of power would be at least £60 to do the same millage. I spend about £80 a month for 1200+ miles.
I've got the Tesla Powerwall & App i tryed to add my non Tesla car to it but it asked me for a pass number and i couldn't work out what number they wanted can anyone help please ?
If you're trying to add it to use superchargers then you can't. You just rock up to an open charger and select 'charge your non tesla, then choose the stall number.
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 It has on the App the option to add a non Tesla and enter bank details
Hi Dave. I am a non tesla driver corsa e my local j47 M4 services Swansea this is currently not ope to non tesla cars. But if I pay the monthly membership, do you know if I get access. As I would get the £90 annua membership. Any information would be appreciated....Jonathan
Sorry Jonathon they’re either open or not open no matter if you’re a member or not. Download the Tesla app and all the open to all superchargers are shown. Not Swansea, yet, nearest would be Carmarthen or Newport
Excellent video Dave, I have recently bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 and this will be my first EV. I have looked into the charge Hyundai deal with Hyundai and have tried working out the memberships etc but really confusing. Have you got any videos on how this works or recommend any?
When it was £11.25 a month to make it £0.23p per kw it was great. My Ioniq 5 would only cost about £10-15 to recharge. However, now the Tesla deal works out cheaper as the discount with Ionity and Hyundai works out 48p I think per kw. Tesla works out at 32p so about £20-22 a recharge. Also my ioniq 5 will charge 10 to 90% in about 30 to 40 minutes. Hope this helps
@@SimonR-uj1vi I plan on very rarely travelling long enough distances in order to rapid charge. But may think about going abroad and wondered if it would be easier to get the Charge Hyundai deal to make it easier to top up abroad. I saw you can add Ionity to reduce the cost of Ionity, but you may be right on the Tesla deal as that looks very interesting. Hopefully, it will lead to further reductions on other providers
Just tried to join and the App needs updating, but there seems to be no way to do it. I thought Tesla did everything with over the air updates!
Update through your app store, as per any other app
Sadly living in Northern Ireland Tesla have only one site for Tesla only.
With only four bays at the moment - and the only place I have queued in over a year! However there is a new Tesla showroom built on the other side of Boucher Road and they are putting in another dozen and the installation team was in NI looking at other sites last month
If there were more sites open to my Ioniq 5 I’d consider joining. IONITY is really the only place I can get a full speed charge here.
Cheers Dave
Great news on the discounted membership. I'm already a Tesla member. I drive a Hyundai that claims to do 328 miles. In all honesty, it's more like 300-310. I only charge the car ONCE a week at a Tesla supercharger. 12 miles from home. It works out I pay £80 per month to drive 1200 ish miles. It's an absolute no brainer! My last diesel car to do 1200 miles would have easily been £140-150. Now, £10.99 was great value, £8.99 is even better. 😊
Sorry to update £89 a month to do 1200-1250 ish miles. I forgot to add the membership fee. Without it, it would cost me approx £196 at any of the other major charging providers at £0.74p per KW. Not worth it at all, this is where a diesel would be cheaper, by about £40 a month. This is not including Road fund licence (road tax). However now due to some Tesla superchargers open to any EV @ £0.30 per KW. I now save £60 a month just on fuel. Then of course, no congestion charges, Ulez, RFL, even free parking at paid car parks, as if your EV is on charge its free to park.
I'm getting enyaq soon. So can I use tesla chargers ?
@shogunpxp Yes, absolutely, you can, currently only the chargers on the open part of the network. These can be seen in the Tesla app. More to be added this year.
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It has CCS2 so yes, get the app and check out which ones you can use.
Hi Dave - love the videos! I have a Zoe 50kWh and charge at a Tesla charge point whenever I can - it is so much cheaper and easier. We journeyed from the Netherlands, through Belgium, and to Germany using just Tesla points. It was a breeze (although we did get some looks from Tesla owners...)
However, I have a spreadsheet that works out the cost of charging at Tesla points with and without membership - you have to use at least 60kWh a month before it is cheaper to get the membership (it used to be over 100kWh @ £10.99, until the recent price drop to £8.99). For those that use CCS on a regular basis it makes perfect sense, but for the occasional user like myself, non-membership can be cheaper.
I'd like to share the spreadsheet somewhere but don't know where to - any thoughts?
I'm not sure if you know, but some Renault can AC charge at 43kw. Not that many about now days, but even at a 22kw AC, it only takes a couple of hours. Why other manufacturers stick to 11kw AC also you tend to find the 40kw AC are far cheaper than the DC. Normally Gridserve but I used to find I could plug into a 50kw Gridserve DC at then 54p I think and get about 45kw max and watch Zoes arrive plug into AC and get 40+kw AC (on board charger much faster) for like 20p
@@SimonR-uj1vi Yep, when I have time to spare I use the 22kWh charge points wherever I can - cheaper than DC, but not always as cheap as Tesla.
Do you have an exit strategy, should Tesla go bust?
Not going to happen, but if it did. I'm sure some other CPO (charge point operator) would buy and run the network.
Its a great money saver Tesla are great
Problem is Tesla chargers are mainly in isolated places. Puts me right off. I do have the app but hardly use Tesla.
I don’t use DC chargers much (nearly 300 miles range and with home charging) but I am sure I would try my damnedest to arrange a top-up at a supercharger if necessary. It is a no-brainer! I’m quite sure I could find a supercharger, open to all EV makes, somewhere on my route before being forced to charge at the daylight-robbery rates
@@oliver90owner You need to watch the video to get the point. Tesla is much cheeper. Our Kona also 300 miles and charge at home but just off to Scotland from SE.
Just why we are on the conversation of cheaper charging. If you can only charge at public chargers. Maybe Tesla don't have chargers on the open network close to where you live. I have found another app, it appears that for a membership fee. Charging is reduce on many networks but significantly on their partnered operators. Which as far as I can work out are Ionity, BP Pluse, Ewiva and Audi hubs in the Uk. Also it has very good European coverage. It looks like it reduces the DC charging to £0.44p per kw. Now BP do have a very large network. I personally just won't pay £0.79p or even £0.63p even as a BP member. £0.63p per kw is not that great tbh. However £0.44p per kw is certainly a lot better. Although it's still not as cheap as Tesla superchargers. It just might be another option, especially if you have BP or Ionity on the doorstep and not an open Tesla one. At 44p per kw it is definitely worth a look.
It's called ELLI and it is available on both the Apple or Google stores. Just worth a mention.
Dave have you any idea when Tesla supercharger Walton Summit will be open? A guess is fine.
Elon Musk recently placed a post on Twitter, many more supercharger sites to open across the UK before the end of the year
As in, will be available on the open network to any other EV
@@SimonR-uj1vi which year 🤣
@@SimonR-uj1vi yes
Interesting and informative,but again lots of words to say very little !
When is Tesla going to open a bank ? So we can put our money to be used for a green future 😊
Comparing to my BMW charging pass this isn’t really worth my while. BMW is cheaper during peak hours and more expensive on the of peak hours. So over all I will keep the BMW pass for my needs.
ATM there are 8 open supercharger sites in Scotland so I'm not sure if I would take a membership yet. Although I used the larkhall one yesterday for a quick top up. If I did this after midnight it would be almost as cheap as charging at home (not on EV tariff yet). What would be fun would be if the Tesla only sites were opened up to cars with the charging port on the same position as Tesla like my MG4. (He wouldn't, would he?)
My charging port is totally in the wrong place for a V2 or V3 however I just pull up at a slight angle and make it fit. Better this, than blocking 2 bays
Hi the new supercharger at the Radstone Hotel Larkhall are open to all and has the V4 chargers with long cables.
Wow, discrimination. Whatever next? Only orange EVs?
Just seen tesla has reduced the price per unit on all the non members chargers. Larkhall now 42p for non members and 34p for members. Eurocental 40p and 33p. These are the better reductions, as far as I know the others are 3p cheaper than before.
Good news!
In my experience, Tesla chargers are far too slow compared to gridserve or ionity. They also only effectively charge car to 80%
I have to totally disagree with that. I used to only use Ionity with my Hyundai, and an average charge would take 50 ish minutes. This was from 10 to 90%. However at Tesla it only takes me 30-35 minutes to do the same percentage. I find it tends to charge at the maximum rate, that the vehicle can charge at, and for a longer period of time. At Tesla it will go from 10% to 90% at the maximum rate, almost the whole time.
@@SimonR-uj1vi
Well I have an ev6, so should easily charge at full speed. I preheated the battery and charged @ Tesla St Andrews in Birmingham @ around 5am. I was the only car there, with a capacity of around 16 units. The Tesla chargers show as 250kw on the app. I charged @ around 90kw and as soon as I hit 80% it dropped to 4 or 9kw (I can't remember).
Checking my invoice I put in 47kwh and that took exactly 30 minutes.
Granted it is my only experience with Tesla, but safe to say I wasn't impressed especially since I went out of my way off the motorway to go there. Suffice to say I didn't use them on the return journey.
It will be the car battery management system that regulates the charging rate, surely? Not withstanding other factors such as ambient temperature pre-conditioning, etc
I never pre-condition my battery on my Hyundai, I have tried using the winter mode. However the only different was I would get full power from the minute I left home. Rather then almost full for the first few minutes. To protect itself, I'm guessing. I have always got almost max charging speeds even from 4% to 90% at which point it did slow to about 43kw then 22kw ish just to finish. Hence I normally unplug at around 90%
Neither statement is true, Daniel.
Exeter services is not open to non Tesla. You keep getting this wrong in your videos.
Hello mate
When something is no selling . . . In desperation, Reduce the price!
Good afternoon
Tesla won't recognise my postcode, so i cant add my cards to it. Quality ffs
Have you tried entering it without a space?
@David-bl1bt yup tried everything. Called Teala who basically said tough shit. Not overly impressed
10 minutes to tell us the actual news? Dave, you're taking on my patience.
I try to give value for money
They will keep cutting prices because the public is getting wise to how bad evs are.
Why? Exactly how bad are they🤔.
They certainly don't pump out carcinogenic toxins in their wake that gets invested into the lungs of the unsuspecting....sounds great to me and my grandchildren.
@@David-bl1bt funny how every ev delusional owner always looks at the car after its left the showroom, never the manufacturing that's not so green.
@@danny29xfunny how ICE drivers mysteriously never mention how their selfish pollution affects the health of unsuspecting bystanders as they chug by..well done, your grandkids will surely love you for it 👏👏👏👏
But I'm guessing that you just don't care about anyone else.
@@David-bl1bt also funny how ev owners forget that charging uses electric that come from a polluting power station.
Except networks like Tesla or even many home suppliers like E.On and EDF in fact many now that only use green electricity to supply power to the network or home. Even now in the USA they are starting to use old EV batteries thay are being recycled to store power at charger sites, so not to be any demand on the grids and store and then feed it back to vehicles. A bit like Vehicle To Load I guess, where you can use your EV to actually power your home. Then replace that electricity after 11pm when it's not in demand and very cheap.
15 minutes ? Far too much hot air and waffle in this video.
Did you have to watch it, no what the problem with you ?
He's giving the detail for those who are not aware, and the background to prove his logic?
There is not a price war going on…..stop saying it. Because the cheapest provider has decided to reduce the subscription isn’t a price war because it’s already the cheapest…. And at the same time the prices on other suppliers just keeps going up so where is the evidence for your bold claim?
I suspect the real reason tesla have dropped the subscription is because very few are taking it up…..that’s because it’s already relatively cheap.
Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to watch this video.
Judging by your comment history you appear to be motivated purely by trolling and posting hate.
That's really sad. I pity you.
Love his detailed information. I understand EVs and charging quite well, but so so many others don't.
correction...you have to select the charger first before you plug in a non tesla car
Ah, but have you tried plugging in first to see what happens? I have,
@@davetakesiton no because i follow the on screen instructions on the app lol