Home Charging vs Public Charging | This Is What EV Drivers REALLY Pay
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- With the recent energy price cap changes, we felt it was time to revisit home charging to find out whether EVs are still the cheaper option. To find out what's REALLY going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Start
01:37 - My EV = 3 miles per kWh
01:48 - Octopus tariff
02:02 - Octopus home tariff peak rate
02:54 - Last 31 days home and public charging
05:11 - Petrol vs home and public charging 31 days
05:56 - Charge only when you stop
07:01 - Charge for as long as you stop
08:36 - Cannot charge at home
13:02 - Special charging offers
17:18 - Salary sacrifice leasing - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I drive around at less than 2p per mile, when its sunny for nothing, our solar has already paid for itself so in effect our electricity is free. I don’t remember every having an ice car that we could fill up for free
Or even better on IO, export solar @15p charge car @ 7.5p & make 7.5p profit. Even better who has a ICE that pays you
@@johniooi3954 Yes John, to day we exported 4.8 KWh, about 72 pence, every little helps, we will buy it back to night for 36 pence for the car !
Me too, plenty of surplus now from my solar panels, free motoring now for 6 months, and then IO at 7.5p/Kwh in Winter.
@@johniooi3954 not everyone gets the export from their solar installations. Personally I bought a house with a rant a roof system in place, so I benefit from the solar, but don't get paid for export. So if I can hoover it up for free with my car, I'm winning about as much as I can until the contract is up in 2035
Same here, spot on, my fuel bill in my 2022 Diesel Peugeot used to be £400/pcm, EV same journeys £60/pcm, no solar, but still no brainer! Better driving experience all round to boot.
Over 90% of my trips out and back are within the range of my EV. Kia E Niro drove to Disneyland Paris doing 870 miles. Charged when we were ready to stop or waiting at the Euro Tunnel. Used 240kWh for the trip and several free charges meant cost was £33.06.
My Kia E Niro for past 3 years did 27,572 miles, using 8088kWh at a cost of £874.26, so averaged 3.41 miles per kWh over lifetime of car. Used a mix of home and rapid charger where necessary. So just under 3.2 pence per mile!
My old ICE car would have been over £4,000 for fuel plus 2 services at £400-£500 each at Audi with my car being in warranty.
Re the VED rates, I find it bad that they are as such backdating it to include EV's from 7/8 years back, where there are still many ICE cars paying just £20. They should have updated all cars to pay a standard VED plus emissions. Fairer than just picking on EV drivers who paid the premium to help the uptake of EV's.
Also in regards to charging, this can be done at home, whereas petrol/diesel or Hydrogen will never be done at home!
Great figures Jay, effortless road trips taking it easy and 3p per mile. What more could you want?
@@davetakesiton Just handed the car back as it was leased and now got myself a Tesla Model 3 and seeing some trips giving me over 5 miles/kWh. It seems similar trips from the Kia are now 1 mile per kWh better, so far more efficient.
My MG4 is rarely charged at public chargers so my cost is about 2.25p per miles as I average 4 miles per KWh! I keep a spreadsheet and my old MGZSEV averaged 3.97 miles per KWh over the 3 years and 25800 miles I had it, so that’s 2.25p kwh also! I drive gently and would rather drive an A road rather than a motorway! I love my Orange MG4 Trophy!
Good on you. It's great to get motoring costs down so a day out is a pleasure not a financial worry
Ditto, except blue. LFP for stress free driving 😊
Also worth bearing in mind some cheap public chargers not widely advertised. Before I had my home charger installed which opened up the very cheap EV tariffs, I was able to use a council charger during the working day at 23p/KW which was less than the price cap rate at home
Its not about bashing EV's its about the rip off prices of rapid charging ! > My next car will be an EV , as you say Tesla supercharger near me is 47p off peak so will around 10p per mile driving sensibly in a small EV !, however the reason I will make my next car Electric is because of emissions. If you have a choice why would anybody choose to poison people !
Many EVs DO require regular servicing to keep warranty. Usually from legacy manufacturers.
I'm taking my father in law's Hyundai Kona full electric in tomorrow for a service.
Teslas.... No problem, of course.
Hi Dave, after saving for two years, I finally bought a pristine example of an i3S and absolutely love it. Even if it cost no less to own and drive an ICE vehicle I’d still choose it. Fact is, air quality will improve as we transition to electrification and it doesn’t matter what people say, it’s inevitable. All I have to do now is clear the garage and install a charger and check my utility provider’s prices. Keep up the good work.
I agree 100% but I also have the luxury of solar panels, and have now (mid March) turned off the overnight charging and am able to keep both our cars topped up purely on solar. I won’t need to turn overnight charging back on until start of October. During the summer both our cars exceed 4 miles / kWh
My MG4 is charged at home on Octupus Intelligent tariff for 80%. On holidays I always seek out the lowest tariff. Cost of ownership is astonishingly low.
On a recent trip to the Isle of Wight I arrived at our hotel , only to find it had free charging
Great video
You subsidise your lower night rate by paying a standing charge and a higher than average day rate, so the 7.5p rate is it the true cost. Drive to Cornwall and you’ll be paying 50-90p mer kWh, depending on whether you charge far away from the route or on a motorway/dual carriageway charging station. Or in the summer, you may not find any available and working charger at all.
I saw a comment on Tiktok last night, that sounded completely made up, but here goes... A Norfolk (German) car dealer had sold 7 EV Hatchbacks, and had all of them returned as not fit for purpose. I call total BS on that one.
You need to add 10%-15% in losses when you charge at home. Charging losses.
The real value in EV v ICE is company cars. BIK tax is a few £1's for a EV v £100's for an ICE per month! Even with the proposed increases in the future they are matched with ICE increases.
Just come back from a holiday in Belgium using the Hull - Rotterdam ferry. Around 800 miles cost me 12p per mile. Charging in Holland and Belgium was very expensive. My last trip to France found the network to be on average 60% cheaper than the UK and this is what needs looking at.
I am even luckier here in OZ. We have a 5 month old KIA EV6 AWD and the wife is just about to tick over 7000km on the Odometer and so far we have spend in Charging (Fuel cost)..AUS 13.55...🙂
How? We have 24KW Solar at home and in addition, the wife can charge free at work.
I look at it slightly differently, charging at home is cheaper so therefore the equivalent of someone filling up at their local cheap petrol station but without stinking of petrol, charging at the odd time at expensive rapid chargers on a trip is the equivalent to filling up on the odd occasion at a motorway services which could be 25p a litre more expensive. ICE drivers never match up the high cost of rapid chargers up against the extortionate charge of fuel at a service station.
I have a Jaguar i pace on a 20 plate.Will i pay the expensive car tax supplement in April 2025 or is this only for only new electric cars registered after April 2025.?
Driving my car carefully gives me 3 miles to the kwh and at 9 p per kw only costs me 3p per mile.
Dave, you forgot to factor-in the inevitable "additional impulse purchases" at petrol stations.
When I had ICE cars I used to come out of the garage with a handful of snacks & drinks....so, on the "snack savings" alone I have saved £hundreds a year 😂
Not gone, that's the bonus with EVs, you have more time to wander off and look for the goodies
@@davetakesiton More time looking for goodies = less time relaxing at home or less time enjoying the destination. I think most of us travel for the destination, not the service centre lollies (which now come in copium flavour). Enjoy!
Pay at the pump pretty much killed off the petrol station purchase. The 15-20 minute charging stop gives you time to go to the toilet and call into the shop so where you shop has changed but it's not gone away.
David .. love your point !
@@davetakesiton goodies are banned in our house 🥺
It isnt a mistake, it is deliberate; many, many, MANY of these stories are backed with money either directly, or indirectly from the petrochemical industry - for example, everything in the Telegraph, which is being bought by Saudi oil money right now.
Big news, the takeover by Saudi oil money has been blocked; so we might see fewer anti-EV stories in the Telegraph now.
Thank you for the info. I cannot charge at home, but I do use Tesla membership and I charge every week. I do approximately 200 miles a week locally, so I’m going to sit and work out my costs per mile for the last year.
always interesting. If it's dear, it might make you charge at off-peak or super off-peak to save a few more pennies. But remember, there's more to an EV than just fuel savings
Trip cost for me @3 miles /kwhr South Manchester to Whitehaven return. Home charge @ 7p/kwhr £5. 24kw @ 64p/kwhr @ Tebay (Breakfast) Westmoreland £15. Local charge in Whitehaven @ Podpoint 7kw @ 44p/kwhr £3. (Dinner) 24kw at works charger - FREE !! Total fuel cost for 300 mile round trip £23 = 7.7 p per mile 😊
Just being a bit OCD, but that should be £66.57 not £66.54 :} Anyways, I have learned so much from this channel about the world of ev charging and pricing that I feel much more confident about getting my first ev in August. Thanks for your efforts and keep the videos coming, with the correct maths though
I’m disappointed with most new EV efficiency numbers. Our model Y has averaged 4.4 miles/ kWh over its life. How come a Renault 5 isn’t 5-6? Ridiculous
Booked my Kona 64kwh in for 4th service £441 !!!!
I've just done a full calculation on my Nissan LEAF, new Nov 2022. At 31581 miles and my average MPKwh of 4. Total costs have been £1092.22, , that is 3.5 pence per mile overall. After a couple of holiday trips, including North Wales, and NorthWest Scotland my away from home costs have been £432.22p over 2200 miles, whilst my home charge costs have been £580 for the other 29000 odd miles.
My Citroen C3 averaged 46 mpg. so it would have cost around £4400 for the same mileage in petrol. 13.9 pence per mile.
Amazing when I encourage people to find out the true cost. Many never bother. That's a brilliant saving
So that sucks. My 2021 tesla model 3 will cost me £190 per year tax and my friends planet killer blue motion golf that was part of the emissions scandal only pays £20
Winners and losers, Andy. But I for one never expected to be able to use the roads for free. This was inevitable but a very nice bonus while it lasted
@@davetakesiton Classic car owners for which there are 300K on the road and that usually belong to people who can afford tax + MOTs are dodging a fortune that the rest of us have to pay.
Broken chargers definitely not a myth for me! Peterborough Ionity has had at least 1 out of 6 chargers out of order for several weeks. Sheffield has a real problem with cables being cut and stolen. I currently have an i4 M50 which has a base price of £72k, the equivalent petrol M440i is only £60k. Cost per mile is probably around 20p so expensive DC charging won’t be economical if you need to use the likes of Instavolt on a regular basis. Ionity is great if you are lucky to have one on your journey. For me, the salary sacrifice made the all in monthly cost much cheaper.
I have a megane e tech I am getting 4.2 mpkwh
good rate, obviously not often burning Ferraris off at the lights
Hi Dave love the channel just one thing about EVs and comparable ice cars concerning Teslas that are in group 50 insurance ratings far higher than comparable ICE cars I would have thought you can’t get no higher than group 50
Yes, insurance is a very individual thing for pricing. When I changed from a Citroen C4 Picasso diesel to my Tesla Model S the premium didn't change at the end of that year and today it is about 10% up, very much in line with general insurance inflation. Others report cheaper premiums or dearer premiums. No general rule.
Coventry residents can street charge at 53p pkWh so for a 4mpkWh car is 13p per mile.
My local charge network - Charge My Street - offers charging from 38p per kwh if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer. Non-subscribers pay (I think) 50p per kwh.... I charge at home most of the time, on 7.5p per kwh off-peak...
Sadly all public chargers have VAT to pay at 20% where home charging is 5% so these in Coventry are having to charge 6.6p more in tax per kWh because of this. Another tax on poorer people (generally those without access to their own home charging)
This I think the government needs to amend.
Not bad, you might do better using Octopus Electroverse.
@@alistairlambert3275 That is on Electroverse, only discount is if you have an EV plan....then you would not need it?
My Enyaq is currently costing me 2.3p a mile. I'm lucky enough to be able to charge at home on an off peak tariff. Looking at my electric bills I'm paying the same as last year month by month as I'm able to load shift dishwasher & washing machine to the cheap rates. So not only if it costing me little to drive, but I'm also paying no more for the electric as I did last year!
I haven't yet needed to travel outside the range of my EV, but for the odd occasion I do, the public charging cost will be vastly offset by home charging so I'm not worried about it.
My old diesel was costing me 16-18p a mile year round, was less powerful, loud and smelly.
The new VED is a bit of a joke to be honest. The old diesel will continue to cost £30 a year, whereas my new one will likely be £180.
Nice one Adam, most of us do the same and I see my electricity bill charging my EV no dearer than an average house without an EV
I’ve been lucky so far - 6k miles since owning (6 months) and only spent £33 at Osprey last weekend on a trip, otherwise all at 7.5p on Octopus Intelligent Go!
I'll swap Rob, I deliberately go to Osprey, Instavolt and BP Pulse to try them out. It hurts particularly as I am often easily in range of home with my 7.5p
@@davetakesiton my first experience was great - Osprey Kempower unit - delivered 71kW which is good for Kia Niro! All just worked and great screen with info. Blimey the cables are heavy though!!
So tired of all the ICE nay sayers, I don’t need to justify driving an EV any more than they feel the need to justify driving their mobile petrol stations. Although they seem paranoid enough to keep knocking EV drivers & feeling the need to justify hanging onto their ICE cars…go ahead, we don’t care!
My weekly commute is170 miles just completed my first week in an ev fuel bill down from 30 quid to £4.50 over the moon and a lot less stress
Good for you Rod, great once you own one. Good luck with it
0:50 You have repeatedly referenced the argument that EVs should be banned because not everyone can charge at home. I've never heard that argument made by an EV critic, and I don't consider it a mainstream argument. Rather, EV critics have argued that this charging inequity is reason to disagree with national and local government policies that favour EVs over combustion vehicles. This disingenuous strawmanning is a low form of argument - or should I say, cheap entertainment?
You have previously criticised detractors' use of personal experience as anecdotal, but have chosen to use your personal charging costs to advance your argument about charging costs. Please spare us the double standard!
13:46 Vehicle warranty does not require service be performed at the dealer network. If you can find a cheaper qualified mechanic to complete required servicing tasks - all good! Please stop spreading misinformation to bolster your case.
14:00 All EVs require at least periodic inspection as a condition of warranty. Many EVs require periodic servicing. Examples of servicing include periodic reduction drive oil changes and expensive coolant flushes. I suspect that finding a cheap local independent EV mechanic qualified for these tasks will be more difficult than for petrol. Again, please get your facts straight.
This video failed to consider all costs of ownership. For example, do marginally cheaper fast charging, service and road tax offset other costs such as capital investment, depreciation, insurance and tyres? What a glaring omission!
A rational examination of the topic might have tabulated all costs for comparable electric and petrol vehicles over a period of ownership assuming the owner is unable to charge at home and, quite possibly, parks on-street. The analysis might also consider and quantify the convenience or otherwise of away-from-home charging versus filling with petrol or diesel.
I await a balanced, rational, propaganda-free analysis with eager anticipation!
I accept that charging an EV at home is much cheaper than filling up an ICE car but you have to factor in the purchase price difference between EV's and ICE cars. For my current vehicle an EV equivalent would have cost me over 15k more - that's like paying for 10,000 litres of fuel (sufficient for around 90 - 100,000 miles) in advance. You don't 'save' money with an EV, the cost is just paid in advance. Until the initial cost of EV's fall considerably (highly unlikely given that China has recently doubled the cost of some minerals that are essential for batteries) then they will remain uneconomic for most. As an aside, a US commentator ran a similar EV and an ICE vehicle side by side for 5 years and the actual real cost cost difference, allowing for all servicing, insurance, depreciation, etc. over that time for the same mileage was a grand total of around US$ 80 (yes - Eighty) in favour of the EV.
In the world of ICE, supermarkets like sainsburys charge up to 40p less per litre for petrol than at motorway services. If that’s the case how come their chargers are only 2p less per kWh
Not enough competition yet
They're not. Motorway costs are 79p to 85p pkWh.
More importantly why don’t they use motorway service prices for all fuel in the ICE cars like they do for EV, oh yea because they’re in the pocket of the oil companies.
The cost per kWh is 79p and the holding fee is £70. Sainsbury’s do not get my money!
The fuel at motorway services is set at a price they think they can get away with so almost stand on their own. The supermarkets probably do benefit from buying power and are able to take a hit on the profit side by using fuel to bring in the customers to the store. They are less likely to have the same sort of buying power when it comes to electricity.
Where are the selling new 39k model Y I want one as the model 3 is not big enough
The Model 3 is not very big and that is why it is a bit cheaper to run.
Nice try Terry, I said Model Y might drop to £39k when tax changes. Currently £45k
@@davetakesiton yes I know, I've been waiting for the price of the Y to drop, interestingly Tesla finance on the Y is better than the 3 so if you are buying on finance it's about the same but we need the sticker price to be less than the luxury car tax price. Any chance you are changing your car anytime soon, what would you go for?
@@davetakesiton That will be for the low range no frills version poresumably. Bad value.
If you can charge at home and your mileage is limited (so you can get away with a granny charger) then EV's are just unbeatable (new). If you can't then it becomes a lot more problematic. Expenditure to get a decent charger, that will take a while to recoup and on the flip inconvenience scouting out chargers that won't scam you and hanging round waiting for that charge. I wanted Full self drive before I jumped ship and have finally concluded it's not coming. However I was never going to risk buying a second hand EV and that problem is not going away. Battery issues are not common, but god are they scary, a three year old EV is worth less than a new battery for it, so if you get in a position where it is a problem then best case the insurance company will write the car off and worse they'll figure out a scenario where it's your problem. How is this green? Moreover DC current is bad news, a mechanic working on a ICE car makes a mistake it's unlikely to kill him. Mistakes with a 70+KWH battery are quite likely fatal this is going to make labour expensive they really will have to be slow and very methodical about what they do. Hybrids are no good either, you get the worst of both worlds and how do it get a qualified mechanic 5-6 years down the line to fix that weird hybrid? I looked long and hard, Nox emissions these days are pretty good, I went ICE, not happy about it but when you are spending 40K plus you'd have be insane to go electric (IMHO)
Yes, but don't forget you need to pay to have a home charger installed !!!
For the sake of completeness, mine cost ~£900 - and yes, it may be possible to get a deal, just saying 😂.
Over the first year, I averaged 3.8 miles per kilowatt, ~3 in winter, and ~4 when the weather was better - found that weather has the most impact on consumption.
Over the time I've had the EV, I've used public chargers just 4 times for a top-up while we had a coffee (for about 20 minutes).
I'm also on Octopus, 7.5p overnight charging 😁.
If I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't have bought an EV !!!
Yes, the home charger may be an extra cost ( but worth it IMHO), but many have had theirs discounted or for free. For instance, there are many Motability drivers, like myself, who have an Ohme charger installed FOC if we lease an EV and can home charge.
Nice one Louis, I considered my charger as part of the cost of the car.
Second 😅
I presume the 70% can charge at home is amongst EV owners because the number for actual households is far less.
Yes, around 65 to 70% of UK EV owners are able to charge at home. It was probably a major factor in the decision to get an EV...
The 70% estimate is of ALL households across the UK, whether or not they have an EV. There are relatively few dense city streets, the norm is a house with a garden, suberbs or country.
@@solentbum wrong
@@bordersw1239 So post a link backing up your claim.
@@solentbum Post a link proving your claim,please.
First 😂
Dave, you are slightly out of date, the price of petrol is now over £1.50 per litre with diesel heading for £1.60. If you re-run the figures the fossil cost per mile is heading the wrong way again.
Cost of petrol or diesel will depend on where you live. North-west England - diesel cost is around £1.51/litre.
Ice internal combustion engine. Petrol.CI compression ignition = diesel . At least get the terms right otherwise you sound like a old man yelling at clouds. Btw i am 65 disabled and there is not a ev new or used on the market that suits my needs. No charges closer than 40 miles and I regularly travel in a area about the size of the uk with no charging facilities. Yes Australia is big very big in the areas I go to there are less than 10 towns longest distance between towns is 650klm . I am not against ev at all in fact i have 2 electric wheelchairs that i carry around in my CI powered 4 wd van that will give me well over 500k . I have to say if you don't get any vehicle serviced you are a fool just on safety grounds alone
All very valid points for where you live but he was talking about the UK. Also in the UK you have to have a MOT test every year after the car is 3 years old. This is a safety test by law.
What about the huge price of buying an EV? What about the much quicker depreciation of an EV? What about the extortionate servicing costs of an EV? What about long distance anxiety of owning an EV? This guy must be in the 5% of EV owners who think they are OK. The other 95% of people who own, or have owned, an EV have regretted their decision and would not buy another one,
Anyone can make up lies. The Dacia Spring, new £14.995 cheaper than a Corsa petrol. Tesla have zero servicing of any sort, nothing at all, no servicing needed to maintain warranty unlike all, 100% of petrol cars. 90% of drivers never drive more than 200 miles in a single trip. Over 80% of all EV drivers charge cheaply at home every night. hundreds of EV drivers I have interviewed and filmed say they will never ever go back to petrol. Harsh verified facts against your made up “facts”. Please provide proof. I already have cited my sources in countless videos.
My anti slavery ice diesel gets 65 miles per gallon, 650 miles of range, even when it's cold or hot, cost 20000 pounds less than an EV, 20000 pounds worth of free diesel, my tiyes are 35 percent cheaper, road tax 35 pounds, and I'm not bothered about getting to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds takes 5 mins to fill to 100 percent, so save 10 hours a week to spend with my family, EVs are not the future, and they are very ugly to look at,if they work for you, we'll done,not my bag, happy charging lol.
Your anti-slavery diesel 😂.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm puzzled as to why you say they are ugly to look at, surely the type of propulsion doesn't change the look of the car. A Corsa is a Corsa a Zoe is a Zoe a Kia Niro is the same no matter what fuel drives it. If you are happy driving your type of car fine by me but I would never go back.
Cobalt is used to remove sulfur from your diesel , Where does that come from ? Asthmatics thank you for your N0x output. I am so glad diesel passenger car sales are dropping fastest so that there are fewer on the road now and they have no emission cheating future.
My ICE car is probably good for another ten years and I only do less than 4000 miles per year with about 50% of that on long journeys. There is no way in the world replacing it with an EV makes economic sense or environmental sense since the initial cost is so high and the environmental break even point is over the mileage I will do before the EV car is fit to be scrapped off. I live in a detached house and I am off road with no drive, the cost of adding a charging point to my garage which is on the road would probably cost plenty as well. EVs are not the answer for everyone and the idea that you can go full EV is economic craziness from the people who gave us the sunny uplands of Brexit whilst running the UK down.
@@martinconnelly1473 pardon me for asking but why are you posting on a TH-cam channel about EVs then if you are sure they are not for you. Seems a waste of your valuable time. I know I would never dream of wasting my life commenting on an ICE TH-cam channel.
Great to see Dave playing silly buggers with numbers, and conveniently forgetting to factor in depreciation, into the calculations. Do you think patronising, and treating people like fools is good for your argument?
Our 64 plate Astra 2.0 Cdti returned more than 55 mpg over more than 4000 miles of mixed driving, so around 12/13p per mile. Road tax is £30 a year. It cost just under £4k nearly 2 years ago. If I sold it today, I could get most of the money back I paid for it. To do 1100 miles would take around 10 minutes at the pump. If I allow £500 a year for servicing and MOT, that is less than pretty much every EV will depreciate in a year.
If you cannot charge at home the numbers definitely do not make sense.
I'm more than happy being one of your idiots. 😀
But I do charge at home and I do pay 2.5p per mile and to fill up for 250 miles it does cost me less than £5
@@davetakesitonplease provide the numbers for depreciation during your ownership of the vehicle for better transparency?
Your point was also that EV's make financial sense for those who cannot charge at home, which I would definitely argue they do not, if you look at the complete picture of ownership cost.
You can also get an EV for less than £5k th-cam.com/video/PJ_zJBIa0Uo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Hrq8WHI7maanR1GF
EV driver since last August with home charging, solar panels and battery. I will definitely get another EV when I look to change car next year (pitifully cheap to run). However, I genuinely believe that if you cannot charge at home, you should think very seriously before changing to EV. The extra costs entailed in switching (dearer vehicles, higher depreciation and ludicrous public charging costs) make the switch to an EV a much more economically tentative argument. If I couldn't charge at home and didn't have a smart meter I don't think I would have changed to an EV.
Lol another person trying to claim a shitbox Astra is the same as owning a new EV.
I swapped a 2019 Audi A4 45TDI for a 2023 Model 3 (Australia in $Aud) . The Audi cost $82000 new and sold for $46000 in absolute pristine condition with new tires and brakes after only 3 1/2 years and 80000km/ 50000 miles. It also cost $26400 in fuel, services, tyres and brakes over that time.
After 27000km in my model 3 I have spent $250 in fuel, $0 services, $0 tyres & brakes (both of which are cheaper and last longer than the Audi) , my insurance is 20% cheaper and the car only cost me $58900 and is better to drive.
That's a proper comparison not against a 10yr old junker.
People haven't factored that EV's are soon to be worthless on the used market. Nobody is going to buy a car with battery recalls, decreasing range, used dealers won't touch the things now, etc, etc. I nearly bought a used E-tron 55 but luckily found out about the battery recall....I could have wasted £30k ! Back to looking at a used AMG Mercedes instead.
Also, I test drove the E-tron, and yes impressive acceleration, but no better that an AMG 43 engine, and just totally uninspring without the soundtrack and the upshifts.
I'd be bored with the EV within a week....you never get bored of an AMG powered car.
As for people saying EV's are so quiet and refined....my wife's BMW 3 litre straight-six convertible is quieter than any EV unless you really give in some welly.....just silent, no annoying electric whine. And a ton lighter, with long range and a 2 minute recharge time!!!
Of course, I am lucky enough to not give a shit what it costs per mile to run my cars, so I really can't be bothered to have to plug and unplug my car at home, mess around with apps, think about what journeys I'm doing and when, where I can recharge en-route, etc, etc.
Well at least you have tried and EV and have drawn your own conclusions. I have just had a battery health check on my Zoe and it's lost 2% in one year after 14k, these batteries are really holding up despite the miles.
EVs are not for everyone, Alan. Maybe in time they will make something that grabs your interest