RPM check of a Detroit Diesel 4-53T
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- Apologies to anyone who had commented on this video early on, as all views and comments were lost quite a while back. :-( Anyway, with a makeshift cooling system attached, the freshly rebuilt Detroit is checked for idle (~500), intermediate (1837), and max (2849) governed speeds. I was using a reflective mark on the balance shaft pulley for the handheld tach. Being 2 cycle, everything turns crankshaft speed, including the camshaft for the exhaust valves (intake is done through ports in the cylinder sleeves). Also, I was chasing a couple of minor oil leaks which were easily fixed after this video was taken. Generally, she's ready to install into the Dodge, now.
OMG! That sounds sweet! Now *THAT* is what a 4-53 should sound like when it's up 'on the pipe'!!😄👍 When they sound like an Artic-Cat snowmobile on steroids, they're just about right! These are fairly small engines (212 cu. in.), so they can rev pretty high without damage. I see so many guys throwing these in pickups and then lugging the hell out of them until they crack a cylinder liner and self-destruct.😟 Detroit 2-strokes live longest when you keep them up against the governor. They're running at peak efficiency, and they're oiling and cooling well because the water and oil pumps are up to speed. That's why the one's you see in road graders, etc. are usually wound tight to get the horsepower they were designed to deliver.😉 (about 170 hp. and 400+ ft. lbs. of torque)
A Detroit loves to be wound up at all times. You do not lug these engines! I've always loved a good Ol' Screamin Detroit! I'd like to put one in a pickup truck one day.
True, their best HP and torque is at the top end of their RPMs (plus they just sound good screamin'! ;-) ). This particular engine actually was supposedly in a pickup for a short time; wasn't given a reason by the seller why it was pulled back out. Turned out when I did the overhaul there were several problems ranging from really bad valves/seats to a reground crank that somebody really gorped up the #3 journal which likely resulted in a vicious knock under load.
Freaking awesome man! Love the old Detroits!
Detroit Diesel should've made a small block variant to fit in pretty much anything that hosts a small block Chevy V8, then us car people wouldn't have to cut a hole through the hood to fit one!
Yeah, even their 6V versions were still pretty good size! It took a lot of small mods to get this "little" 4 banger down to a manageable height.
Oh yeah, 6V was the smallest V variant available, 4-53s are inline! Imagine if DD brought back the 2 cycle for performance endurance racing, every modern LMP uses a Diesel hybrid now anyway!
just think how good chevy pickups would have sold in the 70s with a 4-53 in them especially with the fake gas shortage
Chevy pickups did have a Diesel option in the late '70s, but it weren't no 4-53. I think you know which one I'm talking about. Though Stanadyne does make good injection pumps, every light duty Diesel truck during the '70s through the '90s had a Standadyne mechanical injection pump, even the 6.9 and 7.3 International-Navistar Fords!
that chevy V8 diesel was just a 350 engine with diesel heads put on it and it was total trash and chevy has never made a good diesel for pickups yet including the duramax
starts right up, runs/sounds great.
In chatting with Michael below, I thought I'd also mention publicly that I'm finally in the process of installing the Jakes on the old girl. They're all in and adjusted, just have to plumb the oil and finish the electrical, though it might be a bit before I can finish it all. Also be putting some still pics up on my site in the next day or so.
Yep I'm sorry to have missed those on ebay but it's nice to see them in such a clean build.
America are the king of diesel engines. They just don't know it.
Diesel technology is WAY ahead of what it used to be, but now the "Smog Cops" (U.S. EPA) has caused the engineers to throw excessive controls on the engines in the same way they did to the gas engines in around '79-'81. Will probably unload my '18 diesel in the near future; good power, but ridiculous costs and maintenance.
@@enginenut5What's your 18 diesel?
@@jaggass Modern (2018) Ford F-250 pickup. Beautiful truck, strong, but costly. 6.7 Powerstroke.
@@enginenut5 These days they are too computerized and aren't built to last like Detroit Diesels and you just can't beat the sound of one screaming away and they just keep going. I miss the days of engines being nice and simple.
@@enginenut5 You must pray for it to not go horribly wrong.
Great job on the video👍🏻
Awesome Video!🎥
Should be close to 28. All the 53's I was around pumped out at 28. And they'd cross your eyeballs at that r.p.m. too.
The one in my Cargostar is set at 3200
tey 3300
Now that's the smart way... a water source. So many Detroit vids out there start them up dry..."oh, it don't hurt 'em none"... do what you want... too big a risk for me...
Yeah, noticed that myself, the Ford Flathead bunch which I'm also part of, also being guilty of that in several cases (and those get hot in a hurry!). At least fill the water jacket! Another trait is a hard windup right after a cold start. Detroits are supposedly designed for that kind of abuse, but why do it if it not necessary?
Ahem, can't cause cavitation damage .... if there aint any coolant to cavitate :D
Ahem , there are other ways to avoid cavitation besides cracking the head...
2849 dam thats sweet!
3200rpm is not out of the question for an inline 353 either( the 6v53 turns a bit slower) also I imagine the crosshead pistons on this 353T likely has wouldn't like spinning too fast either but would probably be fine with 3200rpm.... a Detroit can actually spin a lot faster with trunk pistons and stiffer valve springs with proportionally more wear/shorter life.
@@Wingnut353 its a 453t
@@Wingnut353 cool!
Parabéns amigo pela Máquina belo exemplar Detroit Diesel, por aqui "Brazil", já não se encontra mais!
Obrigado pelo elogio! Eu acho que os dois únicos Diesels de Detroit do curso ainda feitos hoje são para o uso militar dos E.U.
enginenut5 Bom dia, obrigado pela atenção, não sabia que ainda se fabricavam os Detroit Diesel 2 tempos, mesmo que para isso militar, obrigado pela informação. A Detroit diesel era do grupo General Motos, é hoje a quem pertence, segue no grupo. Abraço!
Clean video & clean audio
What a beautiful setup I have been all over the Internet for aftermarket turbo sizes can you please tell me what size turbo you are running thank you very much for your time and help
Thanks for the kind words! This turbo is the original Air Research T04 that Detroit supplied in '79. Not much in the way of numbers on it, Part # is 408105-9150. The exhaust casting carries the "M1" reference. I didn't bother to measure the turbine wheels or compressor casting when it was apart, but turbo should be well documented somewhere on the Net. I was hoping to find the A/R numbers (probably close to .60), but never found them. Hope this gives you a clue of what to look for. After getting out of the Navy in '77, I put a Rajay 370-F-70 turbo on a '64 Ford 260 V8. Spool up was a little slow due to the slightly oversize turbo (A/R .7), but definitely made a sleeper out of that Falcon!
What gives these 453’s specifically that high pitched buzz once you get them over 1800 rpm that I don’t hear in other Detroit’s
Hey Rusty, the timing gears aren't the finest toothed gears out there (4 teeth per inch), BUT, the gears on the crank, cam and balance shaft have a tooth count of 96. So, even at 1800 RPM, that's a tooth whine of 2880 Hz! Wound out to 2900 on this engine, you're hearing a whine of 4640 Hz (96 teeth X 2900 RPM)÷60 seconds). I've heard some people claim it's the turbo, but the gear whine only varies with engine RPM. You can hear just a little bit of the turbo on wind down.
That's a pretty cool tool for checking rpm's! Where did you get that...,I've never seen one before.
They're available from several sources. Look up "Hand held digital tachometer" on Amazon. Several like mine go for less the $20. Quick side note: Mine eats batteries (one 9v) if I leave it in the unit for long periods. I just pull it out during storage.
enginenut5 Thank you for the Intel!
What gives a Screaming Jimmy that distinct knocking sound at lower RPM? Is it the timing or just the design?. I've heard a GM/Opel 2.3 4 cyl 4 stroke diesel engine that sounds similar at lower RPM yet it's unrelated. th-cam.com/video/r3tuaYkTOBE/w-d-xo.html. It only has 59bhp and was fitted in the like of the Opel Rekord, Vauxhall Carlton and the Bedford CF a panel van which GM based the Chevrolet Van on. I know that all diesel engines knock to a degree.
Hi Michael - I suspect that the Opel engine is old enough to use mechanical injectors? Most of the pre-electronic diesels had a fairly noticeable clatter at low RPM mainly due to the fact that they would receive the entire fuel charge early on during each ignition period, thus setting off a rather hefty ball of fire near the top of the power stroke resulting in a "crack" sound resonating through the block from each cylinder. These new electronic diesels and their modern "sustained delivery" injectors will feed just enough fuel to start ignition at peak compression resulting in a smaller, less violent flame front, after which the fuel injection continues, fueling the now-burning, expanding charge as the piston is pushed towards the bottom of the stroke (what Ford based their "Power Stroke" name on). My Detroit's idling clatter is very noticeable when I pass by the front of the vehicle in my Cold Start video.
@@enginenut5 That engine dates back to 1980 so entirely mechanical. I know that if timing is a bit advanced on the the fuel pump it can make a diesel engine sound more clattery but can be down the design as well. Some diesel engines don't clatter as much as others like old Merc ones in the W123. Very smooth for it's time.
You've not yet suffered the horror of the infamous runaway yet?
Hope not! Hi Michael. Always good to keep track of the oil seals in the blower (main source for oil in the intake causing potential runaways). For safety reasons, still need to find a small CO2 extinguisher to act as a source for an emergency shutdown device. The engine is already plumbed for CO2 into the intake plenum for just that reason. Ultimately, should be an "E. Shutdown" handle in the cab to release CO2 to the engine when needed.
Excellent idea having a co2 extinguisher as that will avoid a disaster. Screaming Jimmy's also run away due to the fuel rack being stuck wide open but you probably know that. Anyway have a great Christmas.
Are twin-screw type blowers compatible with these? Like, if I wanted to upgrade to a more efficient blower, could I theoretically equip it with a Whipple instead of whatever it has from the factory? Obviously assuming custom fabrication, but I just mean in the way that it flows.
There's been a TH-cam video of a shop using a Whipple blower on a 6V53 (maybe a V71?). Seemed to do well, as I'm pretty sure most any similar blower would also work. As long as you're "puffing" on the intake to provide the needed scavenging at all RPMs, it should all work.
@@enginenut5it was a 53
Hermoso sonido y rugido, a pesar de ser un motor relativamente pequeño
Cool jimmy
The whole build is shown here: www.vintagetrucksbarn.com/detroit453T_1.html.
How much more does the 4-53t weigh than it's original engine?. Did you have to do any mods to the chassis to make it fit?
The 4-53T alone weighs in at around 1350-1375 lbs. as configured and it's guessed that the original flathead I6 gas engine alone weighed in the neighborhood of 500 lbs. So, you're looking at a gain of about 850 just for the engine swap. Tranny went from a small 150 lb. 3 speed to the sizable 626 lb. 10 speed, adding another 476 lbs.! With the total ~ 1386 lb. increase, it's no wonder I had to add air bags under the front springs! 🙄
@@enginenut5 I bet the original flathead I6 engine wasn't that powerful and the 4-53t with a 10 speed box makes up for it. 623KG is quite heavy for a 3.5L engine and very tall as well but all Screaming Jimmy's are bigger and heavier than the more conventional 4 stroke 4, 6, V6, V8 etc diesel engines.
@@jaggassThe Detroit was rated at 170 HP, about twice that of the inline 6. Of course, being a Diesel, the torque (402 ft-lb) was many times that of the I6, and the advent of the high number of gear ratios in truck transmissions greatly increased the usefulness.
@@enginenut5 Very useful upgrade and still looks original too. I can imagine getting parts for the original engine must be difficult now.
@@jaggass I haven't had to make any repairs so far, so don't really know how bad parts acquisition is getting, tho I'm sure its not getting any cheaper or easier. New major castings are non-existent since none have been made for 30+ years. It is still possible to rebuild with aftermarket parts, and surprisingly, its still legal! I imagine this little 4-banger will outlive me!
AWESOME👍👍👍👍👍
Other than the governed limit of 2849rpm whats the highest rpm they can safely rev up to?
These little engines are tough, but there's always a breaking point. Many get modified to get into the 3000+ RPM range, but there's some that really push the envelope. Case in point; here they're around 5000: th-cam.com/video/VAXzbr9yfIg/w-d-xo.html. Remembering that the valve train is turning the same ~5000 RPM, that's like 10K in a 4 stroke!
enginenut5 How on earth they can rev that high for so long plus pulling all that weight without blowing is pure proof that 2 stroke Detroit's are tough cookies.
Considering the long stroke of the engines (114.3 mm for the 4-53's), it's not like they're built like these F1 racers or bike engines that buzz up to 20k. Like you say, these are work horses turning WAY beyond normal and still carrying crazy loads. Metallurgy at it's finest!
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Im a huge fan of 2 stroke DD's. The sound like they rev so high but in actual fact they don't. These sound like a 4 stroke diesel at 6000rpm . New engines dont even come close to the Screamin Jimmy's
The "Commer Knocker" has a sound all it's own, too. It's a fascinating engine in it's own right!
enginenut5 Horizontally opposed 6 piston 3 cyl engine. Sounds great.
Did you ever get Commer TS3's in the US?
I don't believe so, other than a few making the jump across the pond either in complete vehicles or just the engines themselves. I'd love to see one up close and personal!
Michael Langley m
sounds like 28,000 rpm to most people...haha
For sure! :-) Still like the term used for the 12V engines: "Buzzin' Dozen"!
What's the power output on the 4-53T?
According to the original Detroit tags, this is rated at 170HP @ 2500 RPM, 402 Ft-Lb torque @ 1800 RPM.
Pretty good going.
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What do 4-53t's idle at? 500 rpm?
Yep, factory setting was 500, though this one may now need to be brought down a little. It's apparently loosened up a little since the rebuild and idles @ about 600+.
Hello what turbo are u using thanks
Hi Corey, this is the factory installed Garrett-AiResearch TO-4. There's a few pics of it while disassembled at the bottom of the first page on my Vintage Trucks site at www.vintagetrucksbarn.com/detroit453T_1.html.
So correct me if I am wrong but the governor is just to keep the rpms stable right?
I have a 453na
A 6v92t in an transtar
And a 8v71na in my freightliner
I knew when I first got my 453 I started it off the rack with channel locks after freeing 2 injectors
I know they say if u over rev a 2 stroke it will blow but there is a kid on youtube that disconnected the governor on his either 6v92 or8v92 and it ran for 8.5min wot
Hi Steve, hope all is well. I've finally found a new home for my 4-53T into a 2009 Ford F350. Here's a video I made: th-cam.com/video/F4K_1PKzqWQ/w-d-xo.html Cheers Harling
Hi Harling - That the same 4-53T from your earlier vids? That must have been a job and a half getting that tucked in that F350! What hoops did you have to jump through to get the pickup electronics to play with the Detroit? Finished project looks like it was originally built that way! Great job, Harling!
@@enginenut5 Thanks, yes same engine, just worked on a little more to make it easier to work on for tune up etc. It's been a struggle to get everything to fit so it looks oem, but in the end I got it to fit. Electronics were a struggle, but fortunately I found Swap Helper so my tach is clean and everything works as it should. I've since tuned out the check engine light with HPTuners, so looks clean with no lights on the dash. I've turned the no load up to 3200 and am putting 7A77's in it as we speak. All this to aid in the electronic 5R110 to shift nicely. It's close to road testing now, just finish the tune up, tidy up some loose ends and it's ready to go.:) Cheers Harling
did i comment on this video before it got re uploaded?
Couldn't honestly say, Michael, but feel free to repost if you'd like.
+enginenut5 thanks im from the UK. this sounds great
How old is the 4-53t?
According to the tag, this one was originally built in 1979. At this rate it should well out live me!
they are never old
53 series was introduced in 1957.
Was it a new old stock engine or did it come out of something else?
2 valves per cylinder?
Actually 4 per, all exhaust. Intake is through the ports in the cylinder sleeve like a common 2 stroke.
How many miles has the engine done now?
Hi Michael: the clock is showing just over 300 miles now. Not much for 3 years use, but it only hits the streets about 2-3 times a year (will be out again in 2 weeks). Did find out something interesting a few days ago; the ol' girl weighs in at 8594 lbs., about 1500 more than anyone thought it would! I'm having to up the capacity of the trailer I intend to order, PLUS buy a 2nd bigger modern pickup to tow it! These hobbies get expensive! :-o
The engine weighs much more than a normal 4 stroke. With the amount of times you take out in a year the truck will last a very long time.
speedo broke
ah 2849 is lite 3300 is where it at
O meu está em 3000 rpm
i need some help on a 4-53 setting the idle if anyone can help
Hey Zack, how goes? The idle adjust screw is under the small domed 2-bolt cap on the bell housing side of the upper governor body. Pulling the cover exposes the lock-nutted screw (bolt). Engine running, set the idle to the desired RPM. This should be done AFTER the high speed governor setting is finalized. Recommended minimum idle is 550 RPM. Cheers!
Quantos HP?
Avaliado de fábrica em 170 HP a 2500 RPM, 402 lb-pés de torque a 1800 RPM.
Trator cbt 130 caminhão 140 Hp.
Motor 2 tempos a diesel
O v6 53 equipada o Ford 8000 e FT 8500 com 205 Hp cavalo mecânico.
@@marcosprado9927 y a cilindrada dezte? ?
5000 rpm??
Maybe 2000
Can these rev up to 4K rpm?
Though they are factory set at around 2700, there's some that are running near 5000! They're built hell-for-stout, but everything has a breaking point...
Is there any video I could watch of one being wound up that high
@@pierce_arrow1798 Try this vid of an Oliver tractor over wound ... th-cam.com/video/VAXzbr9yfIg/w-d-xo.html.
I would have that in a truck not on the ground
I would think you've watched the other videos by now?
Me gustaria comprarlo
¡Creo que probablemente haya varios que quieran comprar esto! ;-)
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