Old diesels don't like the cold for sure. I remember how hard it was getting old buses to start in the cold. They had hundreds of thousands of miles on them also.
And now today, most bussed get retired before they hit 100K miles due to the endless emission system component failures making them too costly and unreliable for their applications.
Alex Robinett We don't have emissions in WV. They don't have emissions or even inspections in OH (which is where I register my cars for insurance reasons, I have property in both states).
These Cold Starts are pretty hard to listen to now... Used to be cool, but now I just Cringe ... I plug my Detroit Diesel in for 3 hours and she starts up like she is warm and has been running .. Some white smoke for a couple minutes and she is good to go ... These Cold Cold starts can not possibly be good for any part of the Engine where Friction is building up , if you want them to last.
Over the past 15 years , I have found that diesel engines are the way to go, but you have a few things to remember, one of those things , is to plug in the engine warmer any time it is going to drop to a temp that makes YOUR engine hard to start, The other thing involved in a cold start issue , is to NOT rev the engine while it is cold, this does more damage than most other abusive habits, let it run and warm up some, one last thing involved in a cold start, only use starting fluid as a LAST resort, that stuff can send engine parts to the county next to you, if it wont start after you plug it in, get it checked out, If a person treats his or her diesel engine right, It will be there for you for a lot longer time than any gas engine
@@adambryant2434 Lots of Diesel engines are notorious for lasting a million plus miles, Gas engines mostly go out around 300,000 and those are the well made ones many others blow up way before 200,000 and the new cars are now using really thin oils which doesent even make them last 100,000.... It’s funny when I used to work at an auto parts store people would ask me for the 0w-20 and I would just tell them that they might as well just pour water into their engines... atleast use a 10w-30 oil for any gas engine I don’t care what the hell chevy said or what racing brand oil your nissan uses don’t use no damn 0w-20.... I don’t care for gas engines anyways. I’ll take a Detroit 6-71t and pour some 20w-50 in their.... That’s what ya call a 1.5 Million mile machine
Yes, wasn't plugged in and the injector timing was advanced, also had the fuel modulator set fairly aggressive so its soaking it in fuel. Cam timing is standard. backed off the modulator and inj advance and its quite a bit better now.
Hey, is there any way I could get a build sheet for this and a rough estimate on how much you spent doing it? I've been wanting to do the same build on my 03 3/4 ton Chevy, but I'm not sure where to start.
@@DIVeltro The rig of my wildest dreams is a square body GMC 3/4-ton 4WD Suburban with as little body lift as I can get away with and still fit a 6V53T under a 2-3” cowl hood. I’d have to have a bunch of gears, maybe a 10-speed Road Ranger, I’m sure there’s a way to make a transfer case work with one.
Love detritus! Should crank at full throttle when she fires let off the gas to idle and let her warm up. All older diesels should be started that way. Nice truck!
It's AT full throttle when cranking. When below minimum idle speed the governor pulls the rack to full fuel until the engine is at or above idle speed setting and then it pulls the rack back to whatever position it needs to maintain idle. No need for pedal input, it won't do anything.
Creedence18 yeah its a tiny 4 banger with a max out put of maybe 210 hp and 400 lb/ft torque a breathed on duramax would beat the hell out of a tiny 4 canner anyday
Hey Tommy. Roy here. I saw your comment from 3 years ago about the 453T cold start and how you needed a block heater. I thought that was you and wanted to let you know I still have your Suburban.
@@rvhmobility That's great you still have it! Are you driving it? Is the 4-53 still in there? Right now I've got a 6-53 aluminum block in a 97 Chevy one-ton. That's great to hear from you!
just use ether dude got tired of swapping starters on my shit, finally started just using ether and fuck man it's great doesn't even make horrible noises when it is cold enough
2 stroke diesels are like chain saws they can't be expected to be started cold and they hate the cold. They scavenge in extreme cold idling up and down
-7 Celsius. That's -20 degrees fahrenheit... It doesn't matter what diesel you are running. Without a heater you're going to be working the starter overtime. Welcome to Diesel 101 buddy.
Check your math. -7C is +20F. Still a DD doesn't like to fire immediately at that temp. I've done it on a 8v71 at -20F but only after warming the engine compartment for an hour or so. The straight 40w oil doesn't help either.
@@LifesLaboratory that's not a factory engine. That is a 453 Detroit Diesel dropped in there from the 50s They don't have glow plugs Detroit two-cycle engines never did. Basically they have to heat up the oil on the grid or else use ether to get them going. This was a classic cold start unplugged and he did not use ether just to see how long it take to start that old 2 cycle
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist Again, how does this relate to my comment that "If your vehicle won't start at this temperature on the first try, it has issues." This person lives in a cool climate (there's snow on the ground), making this engine a very poor choice and thus an issue. Where I live, I need an engine that can start at -30C without assistance (below that I will use the block heater if electricity is available). Hell, my snow blower has no issue starting at -30C with a pull cord.
4-53T in a newer Silverado? I say BS myself, but whatever floats your boat. Newer generation 4 stroke diesels seem to put out more power than the older motors with a better fuel economy. If it’s the real deal kudos to the man for keeping the old stuff moving.
You need to move south my friend! That looks miserable. When we want to go enjoy the snow, we go to the mountains, but on the same day, you go from 8,000 ft elevation and snow to sea level and you're back to 60 degrees farenheit in January.
get in the seat press the pedal to the floor that's exactly what an old Detroit mechanic to me when cold once started warm up a minute and Dont stop get in and go
Better is fast idle for about 5 minutes. 40w oil at that temp won't flow well, and the upper cylinders are choked. Give the oil pump a little help and let the cylinders expand a bit before just taking off.
Oh, that beautiful 2-stroke-cycle music! Could've recorded a little more after after she fired up, couldn't you have?? I want to put a 4-71 Jimmy in an old 1-ton truck and make music like that!
Geez, if that's how hard it starts at -7° C (20 F), I guess I don't want to swap one of those into my truck. We get -40° around here pretty regularly. I don't think there's a snowball's chance it'd ever start in that kind of weather. Cool vid though.
Lol dude. "Look at me I know trucks and mah bleh bleh Duramax is the bestest diesel muhhhhhree. I think new stuff with twice as many cylinders is more economic even though it requires Def and lacks in power beyond belief and think its a lighter block even though it weighs 300 more pounds than a 4 banger detroit" that is what you sound like to people who know their shit.
Dankey Kang64 LB7 and LLY and LBZ doesn’t have any def, secondly tune them and it will make way more power than that out of date oil slobbering two stroke. Thirdly go back and re check your specs on weight and factory power ratings for these engines.
Dankey Kang64 I’ve driven long and short haul for years at a younger age and now moved onto a career as a heavy duty tech fixing this kind of stuff. It’s a neat bit of hot rodding but it’s ancient tech and not practical vs a good running modern Diesel engine given the pickup truck it’s currently in. Have you ever set the timing on one of those? Balanced out the injectors? Adjusted a fuel rack? Rebuilt one?
Why in the hell would anyone want to go through all of that just to get their personal vehicle started? I can see it if you're a truck driver driving a big rig but for your own personal vehicle that's ridiculous. Why go through all that when you could just turn the key on gas engine and fire it right up
@gcmotorman6379 Non-diesel-wimpy man speaking. MY GOD, WIMPY MAN, DIDN'T YOU HEAR AND FEEL THAT GOD-AWFUL, BEAUTIFUL, ROD-KNOCKING MUSIC POUNDING DOWN ON YOUR SKULL & AND UP YOUR SPHINCTER? NO! OR YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING! As the man, said just follow the herd.
I see you dont know much about detroits. They were designed with no starting aids and live just fine without them. Use my share of E to run your hybrid.
It's because of idiots like you that I am reluctant to show off my historic vehicles and equipment on TH-cam. You comment without any knowledge of a 4-53 Detroit Diesel engine because IF you did have any idea how they worked you'd know that video shows how they started in the cold when they were new.
Old diesels don't like the cold for sure. I remember how hard it was getting old buses to start in the cold. They had hundreds of thousands of miles on them also.
Most of the time those busses never stopped running. They ran 24/7
And now today, most bussed get retired before they hit 100K miles due to the endless emission system component failures making them too costly and unreliable for their applications.
Detroit’s like ether
The old, non-electronic-controlled diesels didn't necessarily like COLD STARTS ... but running in the cold was just fine!
This is pretty badass! Mixing old ass D453T with a new Chevy!
right, id pay him to build me one!
Wouldn't you fail emissions with an older engine in a newer truck? I've wanted to put a 99 24v in a 05/07 f350 but it wouldn't be smog legal
Swing ! Lots of places don’t do smog I live in Alabama and we don’t even have inspections
Swing ! There are ways around it
Alex Robinett We don't have emissions in WV. They don't have emissions or even inspections in OH (which is where I register my cars for insurance reasons, I have property in both states).
If the radio breaks, u never have to worry about fixing it.
Your right cause the engine plays it for ya
Smart guy to pick a Detriot 2-stroker in GM truck.
its perfect because its 70 years old and gm to the core
Joe John smart? I would have to argue that. I believe a smart guy will catch the fact of a 453. But a brilliant guy will build it!
Let's hope the truck is a stick
@@jimbob7072 He didn’t need to put the clutch in to start it so I doubt it’s a stick...
@@hadnick1 all you have to do is put it in neutral lol you dont need to press the clutch in to start it
I love this, how many people would stop in their tracks to see this start after a day of Christmas shopping at the mall!
Nah. A 6v71 detroit yeah.
I would!!
That is an amazing swap you have there! I'd gladly throw out all of the new junk diesels ruined by emissions crap for that 4-53!
Hi, bro, this car have 2-stroke engine??
@@СлепыеомбиРабыБоятсяЦаряДоДро Yes! This guy put a A Detroit Diesel 4-53 in his truck.
Back in the '70s I chased 1 of these for several thousand miles. You couldn't give me that truck!
Well....they have improved cold weather starting.. But not much else (on the newer trucks) . Love that Detroit!
Rusty Chevrolet by Da Yoopers popped into my head watching this. lol
Just like a detroit I gave my 8v92 a shot of either one real cold morning, like a drug addict every time it was cold from then on it wanted a fix
Detroits love the bill cosby date in a can
Dankey Kang64 +1 for Peggin' Leggin'
@@strawberryroan1941 Peg would be proud
Got a block heater anyone?
Block blankets work
Where's the adventure in that?
Don’t get it either. Making an engine & starter struggle in the cold makes no sense to me.
@@prevost8686 i once glued a waterbed heater to my oil pan. Worked hreat...jist tie up the cord.
These Cold Starts are pretty hard to listen to now... Used to be cool, but now I just Cringe ... I plug my Detroit Diesel in for 3 hours and she starts up like she is warm and has been running .. Some white smoke for a couple minutes and she is good to go ... These Cold Cold starts can not possibly be good for any part of the Engine where Friction is building up , if you want them to last.
It’s why they make lock heaters and starting fluid for these old engines.
Nice rig, runs great once it finally starts eh? :) Do you still have it? Have you given it a block heater for Christmas because it is a good truck?
Even better, a wabasto heater 👌
Over the past 15 years , I have found that diesel engines are the way to go, but you have a few things to remember, one of those things , is to plug in the engine warmer any time it is going to drop to a temp that makes YOUR engine hard to start, The other thing involved in a cold start issue , is to NOT rev the engine while it is cold, this does more damage than most other abusive habits, let it run and warm up some, one last thing involved in a cold start, only use starting fluid as a LAST resort, that stuff can send engine parts to the county next to you, if it wont start after you plug it in, get it checked out, If a person treats his or her diesel engine right, It will be there for you for a lot longer time than any gas engine
I think that’s debatable with gas engines they’re producing today you can literally drive them 200,000 plus miles just changing the oil
@@adambryant2434 Lots of Diesel engines are notorious for lasting a million plus miles, Gas engines mostly go out around 300,000 and those are the well made ones many others blow up way before 200,000 and the new cars are now using really thin oils which doesent even make them last 100,000.... It’s funny when I used to work at an auto parts store people would ask me for the 0w-20 and I would just tell them that they might as well just pour water into their engines... atleast use a 10w-30 oil for any gas engine I don’t care what the hell chevy said or what racing brand oil your nissan uses don’t use no damn 0w-20.... I don’t care for gas engines anyways. I’ll take a Detroit 6-71t and pour some 20w-50 in their.... That’s what ya call a 1.5 Million mile machine
as you shorten the injector height, the timing is advanced. 1.484" is spec for N80's, I think I had it at 1.470" or around there for the video
Yes, wasn't plugged in and the injector timing was advanced, also had the fuel modulator set fairly aggressive so its soaking it in fuel. Cam timing is standard.
backed off the modulator and inj advance and its quite a bit better now.
@Richard Vaughn I think that above the rings is lubricated by the fuel in a detroit. Below the rings is where the oil's at. I think. I could be wrong.
@Richard Vaughn Right i forgot that diesel is a little different.
@Richard Vaughn gotcha, thanks for the info. I'm not very knowledgeable on diesels, I just love detroit sounds haha
Hey, is there any way I could get a build sheet for this and a rough estimate on how much you spent doing it? I've been wanting to do the same build on my 03 3/4 ton Chevy, but I'm not sure where to start.
Sounds like a great upgrade
Them some tuff batterys
Gear reduced starter my bet
@@thewelfairshop4164 I didn't even know that was a thing. Would work well with my 6.5
Got any videos about the build...what kinda milage doe you get with it lol
This is the diesel I want in Chevy!!!
Wow! Nice project and cold start ! Wish to find a 6-71 would be cool but very rare !
TDIMAXDIESEL look for old fire engines alot came with the 6-71,8-71
Or a LCVP ( Landing Craft, Vechicle, Personnel )...
I'd like a 6v53 myself....
@@DIVeltro The rig of my wildest dreams is a square body GMC 3/4-ton 4WD Suburban with as little body lift as I can get away with and still fit a 6V53T under a 2-3” cowl hood. I’d have to have a bunch of gears, maybe a 10-speed Road Ranger, I’m sure there’s a way to make a transfer case work with one.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney yeah, divorced t case
Love detritus! Should crank at full throttle when she fires let off the gas to idle and let her warm up.
All older diesels should be started that way. Nice truck!
It's AT full throttle when cranking. When below minimum idle speed the governor pulls the rack to full fuel until the engine is at or above idle speed setting and then it pulls the rack back to whatever position it needs to maintain idle. No need for pedal input, it won't do anything.
standard cam timing, injector timing was advanced.
Should you not be giving it a little throttle? It says in mine specifically to press approximately 1/4 throttle.... Also Cummins so maybe different.
Sounds like a lot of crankin' and clankin' goin' on. But totally worth it.
1:49 it finally started!
Badass! Them old screamers kick the shit out of a duramax any day.
??? really im a screaming jimmy lover but a duramax is great
they also start easier and sound better
You have no idea what the specs on a 4-53 are.
Creedence18 yeah its a tiny 4 banger with a max out put of maybe 210 hp and 400 lb/ft torque a breathed on duramax would beat the hell out of a tiny 4 canner anyday
Cameron Stoltie tiny 4 banger? Lol. You don't know shit
them things really liked there ether
Stupid question but, wouldn't an archaic hunk of iron like a Detroit 2 stroke insta fail an emissions test in a truck like that?
What was the original year of that motor from the '70s?
That's a bad rig you got there, sir! Very nice
What bell housing clutch and transmission combination did you use
I had a 4-53 in a Suburban and there is NO WAY mine would start at 20F. Preheat or walk.
Hey Tommy. Roy here. I saw your comment from 3 years ago about the 453T cold start and how you needed a block heater. I thought that was you and wanted to let you know I still have your Suburban.
@@rvhmobility That's great you still have it! Are you driving it? Is the 4-53 still in there? Right now I've got a 6-53 aluminum block in a 97 Chevy one-ton. That's great to hear from you!
@@rvhmobility ping me on facebook
just use ether dude
got tired of swapping starters on my shit, finally started just using ether and fuck man it's great
doesn't even make horrible noises when it is cold enough
I wish this will be on production...
Two Strokes are way better than 4 Strokes.
That's why the for Strokers always do their comparisons with half sized two strokes
at that temp detroits need to be plugged in or given a shot of ether and ether does not hurt them
What transmission do you have hooked up to it?
Prius
Probably the stock Allison
A continuously variable transmission
Love American Iron!!
2 stroke diesels are like chain saws they can't be expected to be started cold and they hate the cold. They scavenge in extreme cold idling up and down
2-stroke-cycle diesels and older non-electronic-controlled diesels may hate the COLD START ... BUT RUNNING IN THE COLD IS JUST FINE!!
Does this truck still run
What transmission you have in this pickup? I would like to do a gm turbo 400 behind a 4-53t or 6v53t.
A 4L80 or Allison would be a better trans to use for highway speeds.
How does the state inspection go??
How hard was it getting the Detroit to fit?
Starts no glow plugs ... just a shot of ethanol . No joke , they'll hit on the first crank if you use ethanol as a starting fluid .
Never mind i see you answered my question in another one of ur vids
n60's are the biggest inj. i ever saw in a 53. you must get max power out of it.
Looks like something I would love to do every cold winter morning. Lol. Not. I'll stick with my 7.3
-7 Celsius. That's -20 degrees fahrenheit... It doesn't matter what diesel you are running. Without a heater you're going to be working the starter overtime. Welcome to Diesel 101 buddy.
Unless your 7.3 magically turned into a timed spark engine
Check your math. -7C is +20F. Still a DD doesn't like to fire immediately at that temp. I've done it on a 8v71 at -20F but only after warming the engine compartment for an hour or so. The straight 40w oil doesn't help either.
my 7.3 got grumpy like that in michigan on them cold mornings. .. don't know what you talk in bout
-7 degrees isn’t that cold, my 1.9 xud in my car starts first turn at minus ten and it’s idi too
Oh that is magic!
Where is this thing at nowadays?
that thing is bad ass!
Something wrong with that duramax
@Tracy D you did not get the joke
@oldonelungerh ive never heard of advanced injector timing... thought that was just on the crank. How do you adjust injector timing?
More of a summer vehicle I think
How many teeth did you go to advance the timing? I went one tooth on mine in the tractor.
@Tom Jones that was 7 years ago.
@@IH682D I'm amazed you responded 😂😂😂
Howd u bolt up to the zf6? Did you make or buy an adapter plan n if so where? Thanks
the 453 bolts to the th400 and sm465 so why wouldnt it hook to a zf6
Since when did -7C constitute cold? ;) If your vehicle won't start at this temperature on the first try, it has issues.
Really it's a sixty-five-year-old motor
That's not a factory engine.
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist Uhmm...what? How are either of these statements accurate or relevant?
@@LifesLaboratory that's not a factory engine. That is a 453 Detroit Diesel dropped in there from the 50s
They don't have glow plugs
Detroit two-cycle engines never did.
Basically they have to heat up the oil on the grid or else use ether to get them going.
This was a classic cold start unplugged and he did not use ether just to see how long it take to start that old 2 cycle
@@truckerkevthepaidtourist Again, how does this relate to my comment that "If your vehicle won't start at this temperature on the first try, it has issues." This person lives in a cool climate (there's snow on the ground), making this engine a very poor choice and thus an issue. Where I live, I need an engine that can start at -30C without assistance (below that I will use the block heater if electricity is available). Hell, my snow blower has no issue starting at -30C with a pull cord.
4-53T in a newer Silverado? I say BS myself, but whatever floats your boat. Newer generation 4 stroke diesels seem to put out more power than the older motors with a better fuel economy. If it’s the real deal kudos to the man for keeping the old stuff moving.
I think the only question in my head is why
Try burning #1 dsl in the winter
Hmm, I think I'd have stuck with the duramax
Nice setup. What does this cost to build? Can you hook up an allison auto to the detroit?
Was this taken at 6:30 a.m. while wife and kids were asleep? Sounds great!
F**k the neighbors, beautiful start up!
What trans
Nice
Whats the idle speed on this? seems a little bit low for a 4-53t
Waiting on someone to say use glow plugs lol
Use glowplugs. There, did that make you happy? lmao
Richard Vaughn You don’t pick up on sarcasm too easily, do ya?
Thermostart would be more appropriate :-)
Glow plugs? I think it had a couple spark plugs not firing.
@@nathankoroush7918 Diesels don't use "spark plugs".
Put an ether kit in it
You need to move south my friend! That looks miserable. When we want to go enjoy the snow, we go to the mountains, but on the same day, you go from 8,000 ft elevation and snow to sea level and you're back to 60 degrees farenheit in January.
8000 ft my ass
Better than a cummins
u need just a lil either to get u goin!
woody95124
block heater would work too lol.
woody95124 either is not a good thing to use -.-
your right...Its best to find out the problm.....But I'am sure tht cold it will be a bitch to start.....
plug it in
Ok and I want one...
get in the seat press the pedal to the floor
that's exactly what an old Detroit mechanic to me when cold once started warm up a minute and Dont stop get in and go
Better is fast idle for about 5 minutes. 40w oil at that temp won't flow well, and the upper cylinders are choked. Give the oil pump a little help and let the cylinders expand a bit before just taking off.
Oh, that beautiful 2-stroke-cycle music! Could've recorded a little more after after she fired up, couldn't you have?? I want to put a 4-71 Jimmy in an old 1-ton truck and make music like that!
If you you got a chevy with a detroit, you got a detroit, if you got one with a duramax, you got one that is garbage all the way
Awesome!!
Need to put Diesel additive to your fuel tank
No diesel likes a cold start
Duramax engines start easier than some. I have 2 a 17 and 07
Why?
America that’s why! 🇺🇸
not bade for a Detroit cold start
Plug in
You gotta hold the starter longer
You can't it will damage the starter because it's a diesel and not a gas truck
Geez, if that's how hard it starts at -7° C (20 F), I guess I don't want to swap one of those into my truck. We get -40° around here pretty regularly. I don't think there's a snowball's chance it'd ever start in that kind of weather. Cool vid though.
Diesel is costly I think this truck will burn anything bio diesel no emissions crap on it
Listen, if your truck starts right away first try every time then you're not driving a Man's truck! Just saying.
The 7.3 is a monster
the 7.3 is a monster??? what 7.3 both are ih engines
MATT ANGELILLO Where’s a 7.3?
Wow get rid of a modern diesel that has better economy, aftermarket support, and more power stock for something out of date and heavier. Nailed it.
Lol dude. "Look at me I know trucks and mah bleh bleh Duramax is the bestest diesel muhhhhhree. I think new stuff with twice as many cylinders is more economic even though it requires Def and lacks in power beyond belief and think its a lighter block even though it weighs 300 more pounds than a 4 banger detroit" that is what you sound like to people who know their shit.
Dankey Kang64 LB7 and LLY and LBZ doesn’t have any def, secondly tune them and it will make way more power than that out of date oil slobbering two stroke. Thirdly go back and re check your specs on weight and factory power ratings for these engines.
@@mattcat234 still don't understand the difference in on demand power of a 2stroke vs a 4 do ya
Dankey Kang64 I’ve driven long and short haul for years at a younger age and now moved onto a career as a heavy duty tech fixing this kind of stuff. It’s a neat bit of hot rodding but it’s ancient tech and not practical vs a good running modern Diesel engine given the pickup truck it’s currently in. Have you ever set the timing on one of those? Balanced out the injectors? Adjusted a fuel rack? Rebuilt one?
At what point did I say I pulled a duramax out of it? It was a 6.0 gas truck and the detroit is better in every respect
You need to wake up earlier
Why in the hell would anyone want to go through all of that just to get their personal vehicle started? I can see it if you're a truck driver driving a big rig but for your own personal vehicle that's ridiculous. Why go through all that when you could just turn the key on gas engine and fire it right up
Be a good sheep and follow the rest of the heard.
@gcmotorman6379 Non-diesel-wimpy man speaking. MY GOD, WIMPY MAN, DIDN'T YOU HEAR AND FEEL THAT GOD-AWFUL, BEAUTIFUL, ROD-KNOCKING MUSIC POUNDING DOWN ON YOUR SKULL & AND UP YOUR SPHINCTER? NO! OR YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING! As the man, said just follow the herd.
Buy a Ford
Congratulations, you just took 5,000 miles off your motor for a You Tube video!
Brian Wideman you're a moron.
oldonelungerh No that would be you cold starting your diesel. Hey bud, we have electricity in the 21st century. You should try it sometime!
I see you dont know much about detroits. They were designed with no starting aids and live just fine without them. Use my share of E to run your hybrid.
It's because of idiots like you that I am reluctant to show off my historic vehicles and equipment on TH-cam. You comment without any knowledge of a 4-53 Detroit Diesel engine because IF you did have any idea how they worked you'd know that video shows how they started in the cold when they were new.
Just struggles to get the old piece of s*** started he should have kept the Duramax it would have already been running an warming up
he literally said in one of the other comments it was a 6.0 liter gas truck not a duramax
Gee, this sure is impressive. NOT. I'll pass, give me an LS any day over that thing.
Thanks for the useless feedback.
Nice