Counter Protest Leads To Shooting: Was It Justified?
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Attitude. Skills. Plan.
The guy chasing after the guy with a gun that just shot somebody, that dude is special
If he actually pay attention the guy runs to his truck to drive after him that was the reason why the other guy with the gun was caught
Bro missed the point😂😂
Agreed! That guy even used a tree and a truck as cover in case the guy with the gun shot again at his pursuers. Get that guy on the podcast. It's almost special pants worthy being a citizen and all. I'm also assuming the white Tesla Model 3 chased the shooter too.
@@LetsTalkShop no. The guy driving the Tesla was the one shooting the truck was chasing after him
Or he is an absolute Chad
The cameraman was also charged with filming this vertically
💯 agree.
Absolutely right on point, vertical angles dont help me see sht, ugh
And also being an insufferable asshole like the rest of this mob
A capitol offense to be certain.
Straight to jail
Dude was more interested in telling random unaffiliated people they were guilty than helping the guy that was shot.
The camera man is such a trash person
What if he has zero first aid skills? Could be more of a hindrance than a help
@@LaCheeserielol, youre still choosing to ignore the fact that he was insulting and taking out his anger on people who had absolutely nothing to do with the sh00ting, simply because they were part of the "other side". He's a vile human being as well.
@@LaCheeserie You don't have to have first aid skills to help someone who's injured. You can help them by simply see if the injured needs any thing at the moment, like a piece of cloth to cover that persons bleeding, call the medics, offer them some place to rest until the medics arrive, offer them some water, if there are children present, calm them down, there are so many things you can do instead of recording and blaming others.
@@usmantariq7997 That's called first aid
The camera man is the last person i would want around me if i was injured lol
Literally thought the same thing when I saw the clip. This dude gives ABSOLUTELY no fucks about what's going on around him. Doesn't even TRY to help the dude who got shot and also seems to be talking shit about the police too. lol what a useless idiot.
If only daddy wore a condom...
Right? Escalating and starting fights with people as someone is shot is not the best idea.
Regardless of their political stance those two old men were just standing there. Blaming them for the shooting is over the top.
Attacking the younger dude for protesting them was over the top as well
Indeed.
Imagine your group instigating a physical altercation with more than one of the group jumping on one guy then trying to shame two elderly protesters into being at fault when it backfires. 🤦♂️
@@HoozpoppinWhat happened on Jan 6th?
@@NoirFan84 The left has deception, shame or violence, just like their father, Marx. My question to them is, ok you wanted to tear down Western civilization. Congrats, you did it. Now what?
I stay away from group gatherings for exactly this reason. I ride motorcycles, no group rides. Bunch of guys go to the range? I won't be there. Protests and rallys? No way. All it takes is one idiot to ruin everyone's lives and I don't want to put power over my life in their hands. Mob mentality is also terrifying.
I can agree that mob mentality is bad if it's organized poorly for all the wrong reasons. The French people are an example of mob mentality done right over political disagreements, one of which had their government overturn their decision to raise the minimum retirement age. It's all about how many you can rally to the cause and what you do to make them listen. There's more power in the hands of the People than most realize - all that's needed is the unified motivation to stand up to the unfairness wrought by the 1% who are "in control".
@@Ragehungeri agree. But in the u.s. the people are too far divided.........which will be the down fall. Smh
@@Ragehunger you're right but I'm not willing to risk it. It's sad and it sucks but that's where we're at.
Agreed and don’t forget how personal responsibility while in a group is minimized while lone individual’s are often magnified out of proportion. Add complete unpredictable behavior when there are numerous hostile people makes it a high risk and low reward in many of these situations.
Same except the range, I go with my dad and my friends sometimes and it's a good time. Group rides with people I don't know and rallys/protests? Agreed, screw that!
I'm always amazed when people decide it's a good idea to chase someone with a gun who just shot someone
lol he ran with that same gun
@@leonardsrcgarage1919to get away from the police not the man chasing
@@UnyieldingwillGiven that he was being chased despite being armed, I beg to differ.
@@angrydragon4574 if I just shot someone why I would run from the middle aged man without a gun😐he’s running because because the police are on the way don’t be dumb rn would you wanna spend years in prison ? Basically what your saying is the middle aged man is scarier than a Glock
Yeah, that one gets me too like going up to someone’s car in a road rage that’s crazy 😮
that "fuck you" is all the judge or jury need 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly what I thought no fear of your life when yelling fuck you and escalating
Yeah...that was a shot fired in anger not fear.
The shooter is going to go to prison most likely.
@@2dclxvi He will go to jail, but no way they will get attempted murder. It was assault with a deadly weapon at best
@@MDCxThePGhe’ll cop a deal with the DA and get less time with tons more probation guaranteed
My thoughts exactly
One guy shoots another guy.
Cameraman runs up to a third guy and says,”all of you guys killed somebody today.”?
Because these people practice identity politics.
They have a hivemind and consider everyone of the same group responsible.
@@benanders4412it’s a melanin thing. Tribalistic.
@@benanders4412yes, they’re completely irrational and unhinged in that way.
That’s how the news treats all protestors. They pretend that anyone, who happens to say or do something horrible, is representative of the everyone who is protesting. That’s how these college protesters are being treated currently.
Camera man is a weirdo. Yes shooting was probably illegal because he wasn’t in immediate danger he broke free from them but multiple people jumping you would make it justified
the guy filming is so proud of himself for getting it on film.
Off topic, but the word 'filming' is not really accurate anymore. I say it. No biggie. Just saying...
@@noahway13 people park on a driveway and drive on a parkway. Who cares
@@noahway13doesn’t matter. Language changes and get new meanings. “Using a floppy disc as a save file is inaccurate because we don’t use floppy discs anymore” 🥱
But yet even then, the Maga crowd won't believe it, just like Biden winning the election.
I bet the courts are proud, considering how valuable this video evidence will likely be
Worse thing you can do in a fight is listen to somebody outside of the fight
Not true….
What if the guy is mike tyson?
@@uueyesh8909even Mike Tyson loses lol
ohh yup
@@wolfx5499 Wait what? When???
Absolutely 100% accurate! If you carry...you MUST practice self control, de-escalation, escape and evasion tactics FIRST...if at all possible!
It’s unfortunate that the people who are adamant on the 2nd amendment and have weapons are the most stupidest to have them.
Yeah just because someone grabs u or even 4 people do. Doesn't mean u can murder everyone at the scene 😅
@@wid411 he fired one round after being jumped lol
@@BlatantWallhacker He had retreated and had a wall between him and the people who had only grabbed him. No punches thrown. He could have just ran away which he did AFTER he shot.
@@BlatantWallhackerhe was over the barrier and disengaged, there was no lethal threat, he shot dude because he was angry, not in life threatening danger. Totally whack.
Sad, you can tell those two older gentleman didn't know that was going to happen and smacking his hat off shows how mature both sides are.
That is the sad part
fascinating that you blame “both sides” for this because someone in a red hat was just there but clearly those taking issue with his hat taken it to the degree of getting physical and stealing his hat… is equal to the crimes committed seen here.
Your “logic”: it’s both sides fault that a fight broke out because one guy had a red hat on so all bets are off then. The fact that your thought process leads you to believe that because someone with a different opinion shows up to an event wearing a f’n hat equates to physical violence, something that we don’t even fully know if that had anything to do with this situation. If my words cause you to get physical, we “both”didn’t start anything. Your emotions and lack of control started it.
Yeah, in the middle of a live shooter event, the guy's first thought is to swipe a hat off a random old(er) man's head? Those protesters were clearly in their glory after it happened, immediately defaulting to lefty talking points and slogans.
Smacking the hat off was wrong, but someone from their protest group shot someone from your protest group. I can understand the heightened emotion. One group took a hat, the other shot someone. They're not the same.
@@SebiSthlm. It was a small group of triggered liberals attacking one guy for wearing a MAGA hat, then they want to play the victim after they fucked around and found out; dude with the gun was 100% justified.
Friend: *shot*
Guy: “I got it on film, bro!”
The fact that he got this on film does more for the guy that got shot than anyone else there did
these are paid activists, they care more about propaganda. The dude who was shot was flown out from the west coast to be a thug at the demonstration
@@ryanm839shouldn’t have tried to jump him
Film??? Tell me you are a boomer without telling me you are a boomer!
@@jasonbender2459 Tell everyone you’re an immature child, without telling everyone you’re an immature child…🤦♂️
I think for me the "f you" as he's drawing is the most damning.
I don't think that was him that said that. I think that came from the victim's side of the protest.
@@Neverg1veup bro it's not hard to tell... the guy said "F*** you B***" then pulled the trigger.
Doesn't even matter if he did say it. Disparity of force equals shots on target. They BOTH have a right to be there
@@titaniumhomes7599 buddy will be found guilty... End of story
@@HacksawJimThuggin Highly unlikely. The perpetrator doesn't have to be armed to defend yourself.
Honestly love how this channel is able to navigate these situations without political bias or emotional conclusions. You guys are true professionals and I love the content! Keep it up!
Thanks for the encouragement. We sure try.
Calling his sweater little really proves this point. ZERO bias here lol
This channel absolutely has a bias but overall it’s good with me because I tend to have the same biases. But ya they pick and choose how they decide to interpret the law
@@ActiveSelfProtectionkeep it up brother 💪🏽
@@ActiveSelfProtection 7:47 "no ability to reach him" What?
You literally just step over the wall. It was just proven on video. You just step over it and suddenly a second later risk of bodily harm is possible.
Violating multiple rules of stupid is the lesson of this video.
A stupid place with stupid people at a stupid time
It's really pleasant to see how respectful and civilized the comment section is. When this type of situation happens but political ideologies are reversed, the comments are quite extreme.
Not time and place though
Not justified at all. Blaming those 2 older men wasn't justified either and the accuser is a 🤡
Imagine what would happen if the two assaulter's did that to a police officer?! That's right, they would both get a free trip to the medical examiners office for a justified toe tag fitment after he mag dumped them! Keep your hands to yourself!
@@mobeydick37that made no sense and don’t get why u tried to bring police into this. Just stop talking and go read a book ur arguments don’t make sense lol
Lesson to learn here: keep your hands to yourself. You don’t get to control other people, and you should expect the worst if you do try to do something stupid of the likes, like you see here
yeah easy conviction; he was out looking for blood just the same as that older guy that tried to kill 4 teens in the river yikes
You gotta keep your hands to yourself and respect others space. You put your hands on me....gun is coming out
The problem is, you're going to see a lot more of this. Everyone is fed up. Politicians have us directing our anger at each other, instead of at them. But that's the plan. They don't care if we off each other on the streets for their cause. They're hoping for it. Makes great headlines. If we ever unite against them, they're screwd and they know it. There are just way too many sheep in the country. COVID taught me that.
Agree. Americans are so pissed off over our poor governments actions and I think the news just stir things up with misleading headlines. Calm Kindness and Compassion we need from each other. I have a sign my daughter made, not the author of it but it says BElieve THEre is GOOD in the world. Cheers!
You were just talking about the division from politicians and yet you brought Covid up! Sounds like you are all about division.
@@leesylvester8713 If that's what you took away from that, then you are one of the sheep that's part of the problem.
@@leesylvester8713 You missed the point. All I said is COVID taught me why we won't ever be united. How many jabs did you get?
@@bkilpatr100 then why ask him abt the number of jabs he got??
Look in the mirror when you have the time instead of pointing fingers
The fact that the cop didn't move a single inch after the shot is just ridiculous. I just ran a few feet after the cameraman showed him
Timestamp? I don’t see what you’re talking about.
@@TheClonetruper u r brainless
They have no idea what where the shooter is. Their first priority is making sure the seen is safe. They’re not taking your word for it. Even before fire rescue or EMT enters a scene it has to be cleared. Even when you do CPR class your taught make sure you’re safe first before you can save someone else.
It’s funny how the guy keeps yelling “I got it on film” over and over like that’s gonna make him less shot 😅
Everyone knows the cameraman never dies
it's because they believe he will be held accountable, you're not very smart but you think you're clever?
@@jackblack7827It’s also because he knows it’ll be a viral moment for him to post.Never underestimate the hunger for clout even at the expense of someone else’s life.All he cares about is the virality of it.
@@jackblack7827 well duh smh 🤦🏾♂️ I never said that he wouldn’t
@@jackblack7827 why would he be accountable he wasn't the one who shot someone.
Justified in drawing his weapon: Yes, he was being attacked by 2 people.
Justified in letting it eat: Nah. He had jumped over a wall, had a physical barrier between him and the threat.
I disagree because we cant see the guy on the other side other wall. If was looking like he was even thinking about hopping over and attacking this guy some more than this is 100% self defense. Even if he was at a stand still, the shooter had just got away and turned around thinking the attacker might still be coming and enough is enough, now is the time. The amount of time it takes to realize the attacker stopped, it is too late, you've already shot. Its a mental block of sorts that ASP has talked about before. In this case I still believe innocence due to this being a human factor and "safety" doesn't come from freeing yourself from ones hands for a couple of seconds.
IDK about New Mexico, but here in Texas it's not only illegal to restrict a person's movement (Sec. 20.02.), a person has no duty to retreat when presented with a threat (Sec. 9.31.). He easily jumped over the wall, after being attacked directly by two people with more surrounding him, they could have just as easily jumped the wall and therefore the threat still presented itself.
They have no business assaulting another, if you don't want to be shot, stop assaulting people and stop restraining people.
@@duckner Lol you're braindead if you think this was a justified shooting.
@@duckner Well said. I wish I had that kind of self protection in my commie Canada.
He also initiated the melee by jumping over the barrier to begin with while armed.
The moment he jumped the wall and pulled his gun fundamentally changed the dynamic of the conflict. If the other party had continued over the wall after him, then it could be ruled as justified. As it is, the shooter let his emotions push him two steps beyond what was justified in the moment. Enjoy the clink!
Maybe and maybe not. You cannot see what the assaulters are doing off screen to the right at that moment.
@@Stubbies2003the shooter is the assaulter. He was assaulting the protesters and they were pushing him away . They push him over once but he jumps back to confront them . They push him back over a second time and that’s when he draws his fire arm.
It’s literally on video.
@@Charles-tw2sg not he assaulter is the one attacking the shooter, he was the one jumped on. we don't see him jumping on anyone or hitting first, they were not pushing him away
@@007kingifrit Yup the shooter was the one assaulting people and so were the older guys in MAGA hats. Just cause you say it’s not on video doesn’t mean the there was no precursor to what led to the shooting.
In the beginning of the video a woman says “ you cowards you attacked women and children” play the video and actually listen . You’ll hear the woman clearly say “cowards “ plural with an “s “ she is referring to the guys wearing MAGA hats all three of them. The includes the shooter and the two older men.
Those guys were stopping the shooter from going back and assaulting more innocent people including children.
It's literally on video, we can see them assaulting him for being in a public area. He responded with greater force, much to their surprise. @@Charles-tw2sg
Naaaa bro, I always support self defense especially if someone is jumping you. But this was not self defense. Buddy was clearly all self righteous and thought it was okay to shoot them cuz they disagree and started fighting
Man look how nice the weather looks, I'd rather be at the park with my grandson. My father told me the best way to deal with a bad situation is to avoid it. Dont fight because you can win, only fight if it cant be avoided.
I live in Albuquerque. New Mexico never disappoints. You could have an entire show based on this place.
I'm sorry you live in Albuquerque
Breaking Bad was excellent.
Not sure if that’s the joke, but arguable one of the best shows ever made takes place in Albuquerque
I was at Albuquerque for a night and saw a lot of stuff and weird things, but the people, even the felons, were very nice to me LOL, God bless!
Albuquirky
The reason I follow this channel is learning when and how to use a firearm properly. Part of that learning is to not make poor choices. Among the many benefit of this is keeping my right to possess my firearm. Thanks for sharing.
When you choose to carry and are not mentally and morally strong, that firearm will help you destroy your life and most likely at least one other person. Be honest with yourself. Choose not to carry into a situation where you would be tempted to be an idiot.
Right we were all young once and although i wouldnt carry at a protest i know it would need to be a concrete decision. One against patriotism to be honest and not brutal.@RockinRobbins13
@@5thBuddha Sometimes, due to decisions made ahead of time when we had a clear head, we are probably destined to be an example for others not to follow, like the fool in this video.
Amen. I’m a 2nd Amendment absolutist, and I think people should be able to carry whenever and wherever they please. That being said, I’ll absolutely agree that there are times when it probably isn’t smart to be carrying, and a volatile situation like this is a good example. This kid likely ruined his life because he got p*ssed off over being pushed and his ego is going to get him sent to prison. While it’s also true that the other people had no right to put their hands on him, he wasn’t in any immediate danger when he shot. Just a sad situation all around, and neither side comes out looking very good.
@@heathermillsphantomlimb9314 And unfortunately he is valuable to society now as an example of what you get when you take a healthy dose of stupid.
You have to be ready for these circumstances in advance, because you or I might make the same bad decision he did if we had the tools to do it.
I love how unbiased your take on this is, thanks for always sticking to the facts
This would have been a great time to use OC spray to break contact rather than a gun. When you only carry one tool, you start thinking every problem is solved by that tool.
I think he was inexperienced dealing with the stress, which is always the danger with weapons. More training would have prevented this from happening
Or conservatives can hit the gym and learn how to fight. It’s very common that our youth is inactive
I disagree, nobody could see what was going on at the time he drew his weapon, Did they pick up a rock? etc, etc, This is the very same reason law enforcement goes with their firearm before their non lethal when not knowing what threat a person may or may not be. This crowd was on him way before he decided to stop the threat to his life.
@@kenkarr9928we do know the fight was broken up he got to a safe distance before turning around and shooting regardless of how u feel politically this wasn’t self defense and pepper spray would 100% have been a better option then a bullet an even better option is swallowing ur pride and not going to jail
@@Nobody-xl9wm Actually you don't know! Unless! You Can link the video you have that we do not have? There is zero video evidence in the video shown of a fight being broken up, only a mob of people attacking this smaller person, Please share the video you have that I do not have, I would like to have a better understanding of what went on here. If you are going by this video alone you are very misinformed.
He cared so much about his political affiliation that he gave up his right to cast a ballot.
Guilty as charged. Death penalty. But his worst crime was walking around saying "I got it on film (sic)" when he should have been helping the victim. At the least he should have used his cell phone to call the police.
@@RockinRobbins13💯
Imagine what would happen if the two assaulter's did that to a police officer?! That's right, they would both get a free trip to the medical examiners office for a justified toe tag fitment after he mag dumped them! Keep your hands to yourself!
The best part of this so far is seeing this guy crying in court when faced with consequences. His name is Ryan David Martinez.
The guys jumped him so they could take his hat. Bullies got shot. Seems appropriate, but illegal. Keep your hands off people and you won’t get shot.
Crazy to blame people who weren't responsible for it. And then to just slap the hats off them, man thats crazy.
Yep. Bunch of hyenas masquerading as adults.
Well they are racists fighting for some colonizer from the past. So it's not like they're little innocent angels.
The old men and shooter instigated the whole thing.
@@Ms.4ever33 the red hats aren't even from Santa Fe.
Yeah… that’s the crazy part.
-The protesters were grabbing him but no punches were being thrown.
-The guy in the background was saying "Let him go"
-He got away and hopped onto the other side of the wall
-The protesters didn't continue the altercation once he was on the other side of the wall.
He's getting convinced.
Doesn't matter, they chose to put hands on him and he fired back. This is why you dont put hands on people, if you make it physical then you've just instigated a fight.
convinced?
@@RainyFox-ot9qn Damn autocorrect.
@@Mael-vk1it did you watch the same video as me? Before they grabbed him he jumped the wall and grabbed one of them at 1:45
@@Mael-vk1it It does infact matter, not only legally but in actual self defense. This was clearly not self defense. Here is how this went.
He went up to them, jump over the small wall. Jump over back to get at them. Got grabbed, people told the people grabbing to let go so they did, didn't actively hit or hurt him deliberately. they let him go which allowed him to go back to the otherside of the wall where he's not being chased or pursued, literally takes his time pulling his gun out, shoots them out of obvious anger then runs away after doing so.
He instigated it. He shot them and he ran when all they were doing in this self defense scenario was clearly not self defense but an actual attack and attempted murder. There was no Self Defense here. He had every chance to leave, especially after jumping the wall the first time. He picked a fight, shot someone and then ran and got arrested. Dumbass decisions with no self control or reasoning.
I completely agree with your assessment. Dude was physically free but fired a "fuck you" shot. What's scary is that the defenseless old guy is instantly lumped into a group with him and the table turned on him quickly.
He went there looking for trouble locked and loaded .
@@jhodges7041 people are stupid
That defenseless old guy should have stayed home
@ryanj6862 that defenseless old guy is an individual, not the guy who decided to bring a gun and shoot people.
Two SEPARATE people. You weren't even there, you don't know anything, yet you seem to have resolve to punish those you see as fit with no evidence.
Stay out of my country's positions of power, or else.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
He was free to go. It was more retaliatory than defensive. He turned around after getting free and turned around and fired and ran off.
Wouldn’t you think that the guys who just threw you to the ground might follow you and hurt you again
@yodagaming3252 maybe he will get the defense but I highly doubt it.
@@yodagaming3252 who threw who to the ground?
@yodagaming3252 I didn't see nobody to get thrown down on the ground.
@@yodagaming3252There was a barrier between them and he was the one advancing on them in the first place, he wasn't in any real danger and you know it lmao.
I would’ve used spray but not a firearm in this situation
Where do u buy it?
@@lilzeddy any Walmart, a lot of grocery stores, many gas stations, and Sports stores. Literally everywhere
And you'd be charged with, probably convicted of, assault with a weapon... because it would be unnecessary and unwarranted.
@@lilzeddy Even spray wasn't called for. He didn't escape, he was let go. He jumped the wall and nobody pursued. Using spray would have been a criminal assault and I'd bet it would most likely stick.
If you're a MAGA type person, remember "our crazies are more dangerous than your crazies" and "our crazies" will absolutely destroy everything Make America Great Again stands for just as they did on January 6. Unless you approve of this kind of gratuitous violence that kills your cause, just stay away and talk through your vote. We can disagree without shooting each other.
@@aweisen1likely not
“Do something do something” - The guy holding a phone in front of his face to film a Twitter video
The best part is when the guy standing around holding a phone and filming is yelling at the cops to "do something!" Maybe put the phone down and do it yourself?
Or maybe call the cops instead of just filming nothing after the fact.
Lol what ...he has zero skills as a first responder what exactly did u want him to do ?
Documenting things like this is important.
@johnhassell5643 doubt you'd have the same opinion if you were laying there, bleeding out and everyone around refused to help because they would rather get likes on Tiktok off your suffering.
Sounds like a cheap cop out to excuse no accountability & a useless society
He's also one of the guys who hates cops, now he needs them.
Mfs just need to go to work and worry about their family, avoid all this drama
The problem is that while the good folks with jobs are working and trying to build this country up, those without jobs and dependent on the government are working to tear it all down.
@@jamescrumbaker3169 very true
That's the issue, too many people are just trying to stay out of the drama. That's what brought us to this point in the first place. Useless, indoctrinated wage slaves that are more concerned about paying their taxes than the future of their children. Pathetic.
@@ozeflvsh4522 That's the kind of people that the public schools pump out on a daily basis. We don't see the danger because we're brainwashed from an early age that this way of being is normal.
@@ozeflvsh4522The average American on either side does not have the self awareness or mental capacity to be able to properly distinguish between the truth- and a government psyop; your position hinges on either side being the "right" side. You are a slave to the Matrix, and you empower the system.
There's more to life than just Politics. Man these people let it rule over their life.
Politics LITERALLY rules your life... Like. Literally
@redfoxtactical8425 If you let it, it does. Monetary policy affects way more people as currency is one half of virtually every transaction. Guard your perception with your life lest it be manipulated right under your nose.
Yup! Because most of them have nothing else going on! In their life!
@@redfoxtactical8425 Literally, lol, good and true. I think it is the show biz, the hatred, the unreasonable behavior that has worked its way into politics are the 'problem'.
Not according to the left they literally tell us that "everything is political" all the time.
"You can violate one rule of stupid" is amazing 😂
One, keep your hands to yourself, two, just have your opinion, don’t let your opinion have you, third assume everyone is armed.
Those old ppl were with the maga supporter who shot that's why they were verbally abusing them. They probably knew each other?
Nice victim blaming 🙄
"ALWAYS"
@@ryanm839buddy it is his fault. It's like walking into a black neighborhood, yelling the n word and acting surprised when you get knocked tf put. Like cmon bro. This dude wanted the smoke, got it, then pulled a gun when he couldn't handle it
@@simplialpha2117 exactly. this is 100% correct.. he had an extra magazine in his waist for this exact reason
Keep your hands to yourself
Yeah, keep playing the victim!... Beating him lol? That was the lamest scuffle I've ever seen. To pull out a gun, when divided by a barrier, and there is no deadly threat, is simply insane. This was ego-driven; not an act of self defense. Notice, how the cowardice shooter ran away -- AFTER SHOOTING THE MAN (something he could have easily done, before he shot him -- but his cowardice and ego couldn't allow it). It was a clearly an act of bitterness (i.e. revenge); far from self defense.
@@TruthArchivesyour right. I would not consider this self defense. But like the poster said, “keep your hands to your self”.
If you keep talking shit you will catch hands
@@TruthArchives. A small mob of rabid liberals just beat him and stole his property, he was 100% justified in using force, go touch grass boy.
@@TruthArchives You don't know there wasn't a threat. You only see the shooter and not even one of the people that jumped him at that point. Without a different camera angle to see what EVERYONE was doing at the moment we don't know.
You have to know when to turn it up and when to turn it down. This guy can't control his emotions. His vocalization in that moment clearly showed he was reacting in anger, not necessity. That's no bueno. He should face a "jury of his peers" and I predict it will not turn out well for him.
"When your fist rise , lower your temper."
"When your temper rises, lower your fists."
Grandmaster Ed Parker
Yea ik how do a bunch of grown men get mad enough to assault someone especially when theyre attacking someone with a gun those dudes need to learn
"Self Defense" went out the door when he jumped back over the wall running at the crowd proving that he wasn't in fear of his life, and he was the agressor. Enjoy prison buddy...
I wouldn't say that self defense went out the door, but imminence and the justification for the use of *deadly force in the moment sure did.
Exactly
True bill…100%. As a conservative gun owner, this guy was out of any immediate danger when he fired that shot. Not only did he have the option to flee, he also had a wall between him and the others involved. Irresponsible behavior.
And that's the main point here. This idiot's (I use a neutral descriptive term here) irresponsible and stupid action gets extended to all of us. We have to denounce acts like this strongly if we want to carry our firearms. We can't be supporting fools like this and more importantly we can't be that fool.
After he shoot an attacker, they chased him over and into the parking lot and he wasn't in danger?
@@chucknone234 Two errors. He wasn't attacked, he was held without being struck. After he shot, of course they chased the criminal and he didn't shoot as he fled the scene because he knew his life was over. And that is called justice. Remember you don't have to be a bad person to make a bad decision. But bad people most always make bad decisions. Whatever he gets, he put the quarter in the machine and shouldn't be surprised what comes out the chute.
@@RockinRobbins13 no he was attacked by a mob and chased into the parking lot.
@@RockinRobbins13A mob is lethal force, your perception of the force being used against you is what matters
This is a sane and sober analysis of the situation. I don't agree with 100% of what ASP believes and propagates, but I appreciate the lessons. Good lesson. Thank you for the teachings.
John the cops are in the background throughout the entire altercation. Seems like they choose to watch instead 😂
Cops have often been ordered not to interfere with protesters.
😂😂😂
In some cases that's a wise decision. We all need to understand, police are armed historians; they are not compelled to intervene.
@@nathanjames7030maybe, but I haven’t heard an order saying to to arrest anyone committing an assault with a deadly weapon
Johns a die hard police fanboy, he will always take their side.
the cop in the background the whole time is wild.
parking lot in the background since the very first frame too. lol
Probably a bait car?
So much respect for John for keeping Politcs out of it. Truly giving un-biased advice to keep people safe. Keep up this good work.
If you didn’t say this I was!! The main I follow this channel!!
Agreed. The Law doesn't (and Shouldn't!) care if you are liberal or conservative, Republican, Green Party, Libertarian, Democrat, Democratic Socialist (I will say they should care if you are Communist, tho, just as much as they should care if you Fascist or "Nazi Socialist".
Post WW2, Europe decided they would enforce strictly any laws against possible hateful speech. In the US, we decided we would put up with hateful speech, so long as it wasn't directly threatening specific people. This may have been a mistake, however, to anyone with a healthy Grey matter regime, we can assume that all of those with a hateful base will soon lose their platform.
Totally agree. I have seen times where he gets just slightly political, probably unintentionally, but he is fantastic about assessing situations logically. He gives a bit too much credit to the police but is not afraid to call them out when it is obvious misconduct. Really respect this channel. His hair and beard were pretty criminal for a while but it looks like he found a comb and his hair and beard look great now.
Naaaaaa he didn't he is saying we don't like their political beliefs.
There is only one political side trying to take away our active self protection. He doesn’t have to scream what side he’s on to know. We are not liberals. A liberal that carry’s a gun is a hypocrite.
I was wondering if you were going to cover this one.
A coworker of mine was there covering the protest when this happened. According to what I heard and witnesses' accounts, the shooter had been threatening the other side for a while before this happened. He was aggressively trying to rush them over and over.
My theory is, he was purposely trying to coax a delf-defensive scenario that would allow him to be legally allowed to do what he did to someone he doesn't like. He probably saw himself as the next Rittenhouse.
Anyways, apparently this guy had been a keyboard warrior for a while now and had been making threats. (I expect he will go to jail for this)
Dude was also wearing a hoodie when everyone else was in summer clothes. Hood was pulled up. He went there for violence.
"everyone is too political" mfs in the comments suspiciously silent on the obvious bad shoot + intention to cause a "self defense" scenario
"He probably saw himself as the next Rittenhouse." Oh god if that is true this guy does not understand anything about Ritten, this guy is a man child compared to Rittenhouse.
He brought a loaded firearm to a location that he knew was gunna b confrontational jus so he could pull out and use it under self defense law. P$&@y
@@LOAF-do2xm . Smart man to bring a gun, he knew how aggressive and violent liberals usually are when you don't agree with them.
I got this on film, I’m the greatest! I ran past a dying dude to say this!
The police chief that was shot and killed during the "Summer of Love" had someone standing there, filming, telling him to "Rest in Peace" and that someone needs to call 911. He had a phone IN HIS HAND.
A disabled man drowned in a pond while three people filmed it and did NOTHING to help him.
Technology is evolving faster than humans are evolving common decency. It'll be over a thousand years before someone ever even thinks to stop recording on the communication device in their hand and call for help. Our species is doomed.
i always thought "man why doesn't John work on his fitness to stay ready." I'm glad to see you are now. I've been doing the same with all this craziness going on.
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Broadly agree with your assessment. The only thing I'd add is that the people who instigated the conflict by blocking someone's ingress into a public space should be charged with first amendment violations and assault and battery and the like.
Protest. Is. Peaceful. If you're manhandling someone who hasn't done anything to you yet, you're not protesting anymore. You're just beefing on a guy, and you should be held to account for it.
Exactly right. How you can tell if the prosecutor is just a political hack is whether or not all of the assaults caught on this video are also prosecuted.
It would be racist to think black people could behave themselves.
Private citizens can't be charged with first amendment violations. The first amendment only applies to interactions between the government and citizens.
Completely agree. You have your first amendment right to speech, assembly, etc. But you do NOT have a right to take actions that prevent the rights of others. These people should be charged with violating peoples' rights to access to a public space. If the DAs would do that, then perhaps these kinds of violent, occupy type protests would end.
If their kids were up there, they have every right to stop him walking over there
He definitely should have reassessed things once he was over the wall and was separated from the others. This is where it is so important to stay calm and not let your emotions rule your actions.
Watch video again slowly…they pushed him over the wall once but he runs and jumps the wall back to try and get by them because he is charging the protestors. He is pushed over the wall a second time and that’s when he draws his firearm and shoots .
@Charles-tw2sg seems justified to me 4 on 1 trying to Slam him into a wall?? why tf is attempted murder even on the table??
@@Charles-tw2sg Was he not allowed to be on that side of the wall? Or is that a line they took it upon themselves to enforce? They also stole the hat, what was the reason for that? Again later with the old dude they stole his hat as well, they clearly felt justified in doing what they wanted just like our shooter.
Obviously their bad behavior changes nothing about the lack of justification for the shoot but it does inform about the tone and tenor of the situation and make me wonder why police aren't directly on scene. It seems pretty clear bad behavior on both sides escalated this until one of them did something monumentally stupid.
From what is shown here there should be charges against a lot more than the shooter, though his charges will and should be certainly be the most serious.
When kids fight you don't just punish the first kid who hits, you address the escalation as well. The goal should be to send a clear message that everyone is expected to act properly and deescalate conflicts. As soon as we start letting people justify their bad behavior by the bad behavior of others you're guaranteed to get spirals of stupidity like this.
@@Charles-tw2sg So what? It wouldn't matter if they pushed him back over the wall ten times. If anything that proves that they weren't trying to hurt him just keep him out. Once he was on the opposite side of the wall, where was the "threat"? Everyone was on the other side of the wall, not following him or doing anything to him when he draws and shoots.
@@open_minded_1 Yeah you’re right . I’m just pointing out to the viewers what they missed …the shooter keeps trying to charge forward when the back and forth over the wall happens. Some people watch the video without paying attention to that detail- it’s relevant because he’s not trying to retreat from a threat.
The video doesn't give me enough information about what was happening before the 3 seconds that matter.
It's pretty clear he is trying to rush past these people and they are just preventing him from getting to the building.
They were not trying to cause harm and he had several opportunities to walk away without a chase.
He should called the police and got them arrested for assault.
Of course it doesn't. That's what the left does. Only show you the part they want you to see
@kroanosm617 Bud, preventing someone from moving by physical force is kidnapping. The video has zero context.
@@kylesturdivant3751 Also the fact that the video angle doesn't show ANY of the assaulters at the time of the shot. Thus they are all assuming they were not presenting a threat. Maybe true, maybe not. Impossible to make that call with this video.
while there may have been more context, it doesnt really matter. the shooter was not in threat of deadly harm.
Talk about escalation guy with the cam slapping a hat off a old man that didn't shoot anyone?
This is the most sane, sober, prudent explanation of how to live in today’s time.
The best thing in life is to avoid all protests, especially where there are opposing protests taking place.
Said every coward ever
@@kgreggbruce1552 let’s see, discretion is the better part of valor, better to be prudent than merely courageous, fools rush in, pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Sounds like wisdom is a greater virtue than courage, placing you on the wrong side of the argument.
@kgreggbruce Your mentality proves his point.
You have the right to protest PEACEFULLY.
People's definition of "peaceful" tends to be incredibly skewed among certain cultural groups. Many confuse it for anything from an intolerance for different-minded individuals to indiscriminate destruction of property just to "send a message". If it's not _their_ expectancy of peacefulness by others, they sadly don't count it. At least that's the mindset I see often when it comes to American disagreements on a pretty broad scale.
You also have the right to defend yourself from 15 deadly threats with deadly force.
Yeah remember when the peaceful protestors in the Civil rights movement got firehosed and police dogs sic'ed on them simply for being black and not following racist laws? Sometimes unpeaceful protest is warranted. Shit our nation was founded on violent protest
@@bradleyohallaran3398 it looks like this guy was trying to provoke them to shoot them. Totally fine to display the gun and not shoot.
@@skarootz sure it's OK to brandish without shooting. If your a dipshit. Don't draw on those you wouldn't shoot. Sounds like you saw what happened before the video started. How did he provoke them?
It also seems like the initial attackers were trying to provoke a reaction based off their statements and actions afterwards
Provocation, obtaining route of escape, not falling under opposing force at moment of shooting, etc.
This guy has an uphill legal battle on his hands now.
Well...depends on what the local DA thinks.
His hill is absolutely vertical. He's against a wall. He violated the ultimate rule of stupid. Don't let your emotions dictate what you do.
And you know that he wasn't under opposing force how? That video doesn't show ANY of the people that jumped him at the moment he shoots. You are ASSUMING that he isn't under opposing force. You may be right and you may be wrong.
@@Stubbies2003 No it's YOU who are assuming that something happened that isn't shown. We're assuming that there are no invisible fists pummeling him and the video shows the interaction. I think that's a safe bet.
Projection is a frank admission that you know you're wrong. Learn to take your own side in a discussion.
Imagine what would happen if the two assaulter's did that to a police officer?! That's right, they would both get a free trip to the medical examiners office for a justified toe tag fitment after he mag dumped them! Keep your hands to yourself!
"And the men who stirred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide, and the shotgun sings the song."
-The Who, Wont Get Fooled Again, 1971
"I tip my cap to the new revolution and pray, we don't get fooled again"
The only way this could’ve been justified is if the group that attacked the gunman were still trying to chase after him after he was on the opposite side of the barrier. The camera pans away from what they were doing at the moment the gunman draws his weapon so it’s difficult to say for certain, but it appears that they did not attempt to continue the confrontation which makes what happens afterwards retaliatory and not justifiable.
clear as day no one was even near trying to jump over the lil wall there. that kid wanted to kill.
@@burnburn645 It's not on the video, so it's not clear at all. It's a potential claim he can raise in his defense and will have to be rebutted by eyewitness testimony.
They ran off with his hat, not hard to see
Unless they were shot in the back walking away it was still a confrontation of 5 on 1. Funny how the guy carrying the gun almost knew there would be a physical altercation by the other side. Otherwise why would he need it. Obviously a small town everyone knows everyone.
@@burnburn645 hahaha you are the problem
Really appreciate your perspective you present really well.
Camera man starts whining to the cops to "do something" the second he first sees them, the guy is such a clown
The video does not show the other side of the wall.
Truth. And it was 4 or 5 on one initially rather than 2.
@@robertframe7349Except... at the time he fired, he was free from assault.
There are people out there that will attack you if you don't agree with their opinion or beliefs. I try to avoid those situations.
Exactly. He knows Leftists are looking for a fight at every protest so he knew what he was going to find what he was looking for.
Yep both sides did this day
Cameraman: “You all killed someone today”
Also cameraman: not helping
Well that escalated quickly 😶
Adrenaline runs high.
@@rubyruby7573 I see intellect scares you as much as inanimate objects do...
@@stewiegriffin88yeah, every gun made makes the world a better place.
... Big thinkin' guy... 😂
@kfrerix9777 Quite the blanket statement there. Not surprising coming from a wet blanket such as yourself 🫠
@kfrerix9777 "Big thinking guy" Funny coming from someone who just posted the most closed minded, blanket statement he could think of. Whatcha compensating for over there tiger? 🤔
People looking for trouble often find... Trouble.
Fafo
Which is the standard issue leftist accusation that comes out every time someone defends themselves. Just like deep down inside, they blame hem lengths for sexual assault.
they should have clippy or something pop up to yell at you when you try to start filming vertical
No way in hell was he justified in this shooting!!!! They let him go and he jumped over a wall!! At the point he shot there was a wall between him and the other guys!!
lol
As a conservative I'm absolutely discusted by that behavior on both sides.
Is it just me...or is it getting crazier out there? 😂😂
@@Memevzepeople are becoming more vicious.
@kylesturdivant3751 time to start trolling (for peace) now I'm going to run around with a cape with the YOU KNOW WHAT SYMBOL (it's a certain star). Also I'm black. Hopefully nothing will happen to me at all 😆
but remember the media is biased against the right so we need to be biased back
Don’t jump people 😂😂😂
Holy cow I’ve been waiting for context to this one so long. Thank you
This actually happened in Española, New Mexico, at the Rio Arriba County building. Not in Santa Fe
Acorn still at large ?
Sightings have been recorded all across Okaloosa County, no leads yet.
That was a punk move
what you mean the mob
The mob jumping one guy then playing the victims after karma put them in their place is a really punk move, i agree.
@Asturian-vm3sk well he was having fun too jumping back and forth over the wall
@@chucknone234 no the shooter.
@@mtnbound2764 It was a rhetorical question, I meant the mob
As soon as the prosecutor asks why he didn't flee the conflict instead of opening fire (when running was clearly an option as we see seconds after the shot) it will probably be case closed for him.
Of course he could run after he used a weapon to defend himself. These leftist protestors need to know they can't just lay hands on people because they don't agree with them.
This doesn't make sense. The situations before and after the shooting are completely different, as we have seen instances where the person tried to run and was pursued. The reason he could run safely in the first place was because he shot, so they knew not to bother him as he was willing to actually respond.
@@pafoneto1275 Cultist
@@pafoneto1275 they chased him even after he shot them, so shooting them changed only deterred the distance they followed. If he was really intent on shooting them legally he would have been far better off letting them gang up on him again and then firing; like Jon said in the video you could at least argue multiple opponents. In my opinion this guy's ego got bruised and he emotionally lashed out with his weapon. He could have fought back with his hands - pepper spray would have been totally justified as well, but he escalated the level of force too dramatically.
@@nickturner9476 that is just not how it works, and just proves he didn't want to intent to shot them legally.
He could have fought multiple people??? Lol are you crazy?
He, in my opinion, feels that he lost his rights when he jumped back over the wall AFTER they tossed him out.
The people showed him the first time that they had no intention to harm him because if they were to, they would have beaten him up at first approach.
He needs to get locked up.
It doesn't show the initial instigation of the fight, but he was being attacked by multiple individuals. That being said, before shooting, he did break contact and had the short wall between himself and his attackers. I think at that point he should have continued to move away from the group. If the attackers continued to aggressively pursue him at that point, then maybe, but from what is shown in just this clip, I do not feel use of deadly force was justified.
You mean after being armed and shot, they chased him down and got in his car and left. lol gtfo here.
The police car in the exact same frame as the shooter firing the gun is wild xD
Slow ass reaction time from that officer
My local PD takes 3 days minimum to show up to a shooting.
And he got away. They caught him later. When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
Right like how did you not hear that
Not the cop in the back just sitting! Lol
Whoever the dude is recording, should take the temperature challenge
Dumbas cant even get the quote right. Useless lmao.
just to be clear yes he was over the wall being attacked after he had climbed the wall and had a chance to get away then chose to climb the wall and re engage them then yeah they did pin him for a couple seconds but the people around them told them to let him go which they did and didn't follow him over the wall they let him go he had multiple chances to disengage and leave or distance himself from them while still protesting but he didn't he chose the bad path in this situation and he gets the consequences for that path.
How do you know they werent coming over the wall?
And who was charged with robbery and assault? Nobody that's who.
Safe and sane dialogue and able to be a responsible gun owner and Human.
Self righteous cameraman
Sorry John, retired teacher. “Were (not was) this guy’s activities justified?”
He was no longer at risk of death or great bodily harm.
You know that how?
Watch the video and listen to John give a breakdown of the video. That is how sane & sober minded people know the gun user wasn't in any harm of his life.
@@Stubbies2003you’re slow if you need someone to break it down for you, fuck your feelings and the fact is, this wouldn’t hold up as being justified in COURT.
@@ddawg284 the video doesn't show the other side of the wall so idk , and the guy's commentary isn't enough, i'm sure there is more evidence but based on what i saw here as a juror i would have reasonable doubt
No body should attack anyone without expecting consequences so no one don’t think he should be convicted
What may have happened is that one of the attackers was starting to climb that wall that you can't see on the camera. Was this private property or public property? What right did those multiple people have to force him out of the area?
That’s why you keep your hands to yourself.
Looks like you lost a lot of weight again. Good stuff!! 💪🏻
If the only evidence provided was the video right up until after the shot I'd 100% say the guy has no argument for self defense based on what the video shown up to that point but after the shot you see the people immediately jump the wall and assault the two uninvolved elderly men and then harass them for something they had no part in. At that point its clear the dude with the gun was facing a mob and not just his two actual attackers and I would say he could have very easily thought/felt his life was in danger even after getting lose from those attackers. Do I think he should have fired the shot? Not really, but at the same time I don't think the video prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not in fear for his life.
8:03 the cop was there the entire time in the back
Charges brought are absolutely appropriate.
"hate crime" charges are never ok, they are thought crime charges.
@@007kingifrit I disagree. Hate crime charges are not "thought crime" charges. They are "acting out your thought crime' charges. There is a fairly marked difference between the two.
I mean if like 4 of them didn’t attack him this would have never escalated. Just because someone don’t see the world like you do doesn’t mean you can put your hands on them…… You might get shot
Ever heard of using your fists? There were two immediate people attacking him...and one of them was a woman.
@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 such a dumb comment
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821Ever heard of the crime of assault? No one is justified in laying their hands on anyone and if you commit a crime you should feel the consequences of that crime.
@@kawasakiwhiptwo5821 Ever heard of keeping your hands to yourself and nobody is obligated to fight you because you can’t control yourself? You have some freedom seeds out there somewhere with your name on them if you carry on through life with this thought process.
God damn, haven't been to your channel in ages. Grats on the weight loss.