The Acorn Heard Round The World: Analysis and Lessons Learned
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@@user-ye4bu6xh4c I’ve never felt so bad for someone in the back of a cruiser in my life
I watched the rest of the video, my sympathy for said cruiser passenger has gone way down since my original comment
"Great job Gerald! You made the animals scared!"
"Okay Scrat! Go for it!"
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All I have to say is this - If I mistook an acorn for a gunshot and dumped an entire magazine into a vehicle THAT WAS OCCIPIED, I would be in prison for sure. Doesn't matter my history, my military service, etc. No cop or State Attorney would feel bad for me and let me go. It's total BS
Exactly action should be took. Where's the riots?
@@CautionHighWavesAhead- I deeply care bout civil liberties and the right to freedom
Seriously. How TF is this reality…
totally agree 💯%
A nationwide manhunt is underway for Alvin, Simon and Theodore
Hahahahahahaha...brilliant.
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🐿️ Found him!
😂 lol!
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Two cops shot 30 rounds into a vehicle, and didn't hit their suspect. That's just nuts
I hope the suspect believes in God, because that is a beacon telling him to change his ways.
Acorn to be exact, lol
if he lay down in car u cant hit him
Likely Kevlar shielding in the doors and panels. Perp kept his head down and was perfectly safe.
And the male cop was an actual special forces ODA team captain.
I'm hit, I'm hit 😂😂😂... waited his entire lifetime to say those words..
No charges where filed because they felt SORRY for him... he panicked because he wasn't in tune with his world. The sad part is that a regular citizen doesn't get that courtesy ... the system doesn't fell "sorry" for us... had that been me I would have been caged and humiliated.
Yeah but you don't serve your community so no shit your not treated the same. Think about it dum dum
These guys have a price. They are covering to keep money coming into their training company. If a citizen did these they would not hold back condemning them.
Honestly, yes. And the other reason is that it's the nature of his job: it's all on camera. If this was all on camera for a civilian, there's a chance it would work out this way as well, although I expect it would go to trial.
The way he responded does make it look like he believed he was shot... I haven't seen many people dispute that. But yes, if this happened to anyone but a cop and it wasn't recorded, they're absolutely screwed.
No gunshots, no injury, no sound of metal or glass splintering, etc. The copper tried to kill him on purpose or is so scared of his shadow he started shooting for nothing..@@TransRoofKorean
In this world, all you need is 1 minute or less of not paying attention to everything around you, like sounds, smells, motion... to trigger ptsd episodes. Ptsd doesn't affect just ex soldiers it affects everyone- from being a janitor to a king,, every profession if done long enough it can mess your mind up. Stay safe out there my friends.
...."I'm on fire, I'm on fire!" No, you're not Rikki Bobby.
“…help me Tom Cruise…”
@@chadly211bucks...first thing that came to mind.
Actually, there's a much darker origin of that. A pit crew guy was on fire from some chemical and the flames were invisible. He didn't look like he was on fire but he was.
“I’ve been murdered”
This wins
An acorn hitting the roof of a car does not sound anything like a gun being shot. This was grossly negligent. And then the fantasy that he had been hit?? This cop was out of his depth. Some type of charge should have been brought against him.
It does when it’s from a 100ft tall tree on a metal roof, not to mention they were under the impression he had ownership of a suppressed small caliber handgun.
@@TheSturgoenfishthey searched him and knew he was unarmed and he was detained. I don't think an acorn hitting metal from any height sounds like a shot from a gun.
I’ve been shot at in a car, I can confirm the bullets sound like little “tink..tink” sounds if u know what I mean. But I also heard the gun clapping bc it was close, this cop must of thought he was being sniped ? Or he had a suppressor maybe lol
tink tink is not the same as a gunshot maybe in the flintstones @@mikemihalis8341
remember the context sir was this officer in a car that was getting shot at?@@mikemihalis8341
We shouldn't make fun of him? Why? Because he's a cop? When people die in a pool of their own blood they took the "whatever temperature challenge" . But that's ok because they're not cops. This clown tries to murder somone over a falling acorn but we need to handle him with kid gloves? You lost me...
That's double standards, I guess. I have lost all the respect for this channel after this.
Won't be coming here any time soon.
Yeah this is a very, very disappointing take. My .02 is tiptoeing around their core audience... at least they didn't do that in the Lakewood shooting video from this year- maybe a reflection of lessons learned?
And they still dragged the guy to jail without a crime charge to him,research
the follow up. Unreal.
I've spent 14 years in the Army, and u can tell you from personal experience that being a West Point graduate absolutely does not make you intelligent, streat smart, posses common sense, hard working or moral.
Street* lmao
Wow..
You learned how to make the crayons 🖍
Spell check???😂
Everyone hates West Pointers, especially when they've just got their commission. Typical commissioned 2LTs may be a little inflated with their college education, but West Point grads are another level. Green to gold are the best.
Defending this clown because “he’s ex-SF and has 2 combat tours blah blah blah” is an insult to the _competent_ service members that served. I seriously doubt this guy ever got outside the wire.
I'm a vet with PTSD. I've never mag dumped an acorn.
@@Googledybunker Yet, that is. LOL!
Fobbit.
yeah shame on these guys lol
He said he was an officer and never saw direct combat.
HOW TF did you just say that that turd of an officer was a good guy? Just because he was in the military does not make him good by some default. He is obviously NOT good in any sense of the word. The amount of fear, panic and recklessness in his actions makes that clear.
This whole video should have been criticizing some of the worst policing we’ve ever seen
isnt this attempted murder? like for every bullet he shot...
cause if a person just points their finger at a cop and the cop shoots thinking the finger was a gun, thats murder
@@mnm8818 Well... no. I mean, there's always that question, is it subjectively reasonable (and then by extension, would a reasonable person find this reasonable, ie., "objectively" reasonable). We cover quite easily that it's not objectively reasonable, here, because it was a friggin acorn.
But for murder you have to have that awareness and intent. If it's subjectively reasonable, definitionally it cannot be murder. If someone points their fingers are you and for some reason you truly believe that it's a gun, it's subjectively perfectly reasonable for you to shoot them -- good luck convincing a jury you thought their fingers were a gun, though. They're just not gonna believe you.
This guy's actions, strangely enough, *_DO_* pretty convincingly show that he thought he was shot at. I cannot imagine wtf was going on in his head to make him think that...
I guess if it went to trial you'd just point to his state of mind, that it was subjectively reasonable (even if REALLY bad policing) to think the deadly threat is in the cop car and shoot at it... but you just say it was temporary insanity that made him like that, or something. (Because I think you'd have a rough time convincing a jury that a reasonable cop is gonna hear an acorn hit a car roof and have that belief that he'd been shot...)
But I dunno. Whatever it is isn't murder. It's something F'ing nuts though, if you'll pardon the pun.
Exactly
@@_B.SHULMAN777_ lol had that been a wyt victim he’d be charged
@@sertank735Your a 🤡
Why are we talking about spare magazines and staying in the fight? There was no fight. He wasn't shot. He wasn't even shot at. Nobody was shooting!!! Saying she did a good job is insane!!
You guys are completely wrong on this one.
100% wrong. It's almost as if they completely ignore his negligent actions because he's wearing a uniform. Which is a horrible viewpoint to operate from. They should be held to a higher standard BECAUSE they wear a uniform not treated with kid gloves. John has talked on his channel about would I, could I, should I and completelky ignores these same elements he charges civilians wiith the responsibility of maintaining. This is about the biggest failure of law enforcement ettiquette we've seen on video in a long time and they treat like he made a boo boo. Not he nearly killed someone because he heard a louder than usual noise. That's IT. On top of that he explicitly claimed to be shot with zero evidence or identification of any wounds solely so his partner could also return fire, once again at NO THREAT.
We're just looking calmly through a camera here so we can nitpick; but from the female officers perspective she went "where" and just started blasting??? wtf?!?
@@AkinaSpeedStarsAE86 I can sort of understand their assessment of her actions, because why would you ever assume your partner would be screaming "I'm hit!" and shooting and rolling on the ground if not for an actual threat. If you have to take the time to second-guess that, you will be reacting too late.
The only defence for Hernandez is PTSD, however it seems he never claimed that. That disability shouldn't justify his actions, but it could explain his state of mind. I agree he should have at least been indicted on some sort of charge, but the bigger issue is the vetting of former active-duty soldiers for police work. This is equivalent to making a "Charlie in the Trees!" Vietnam vet a traffic officer: it is completely inappropriate and a danger to the officer and everyone around them.
To be clear, there are plenty of vets doing great police work. But there does need to be more scrutiny on their mental/emotional state before rubber stamping a new hire.
The frisk is heavily overemphasized in this analysis. If this is his state of mind, even the most thorough of searches wouldn't have prevented what is plainly a mental break.
@@nickdubil90she shouldn't fire blindly. Soldiers are taught to PID their target before firing their weapon, but cops can just shoot without PIDing their target
They're butt kissing they system . They'll cheer as they haul us " peasants" off too concentration camps as well as long as they get a pass.
If seen hundreds of ASP videos. This is the first one that feels just... wrong.
That’s because it IS totally wrong!
@@JohnSmithNYC Also, since when does someone's credentials and work experience determine if they are a "good guy"?
@nickthorne5872 they do when you white.
@nickthorne5872
I unsubbed 4 or 5 years ago after seeing another one like this. I guess you missed that one lol. I just started watching again this week and now this again 😂
I’m really surprised by ASP’s take on this one. I can respect a person’s military history. That being said, if a person is so terrified, they would mistake an acorn falling on the roof of the vehicle; they should not be a police officer or carry a firearm. Had this been an average citizen, they would be in jail right now, no question. This is exactly the two-tier justice system that has created a divide between citizens and the police. ASP, in every other circumstance, is very critical about the backstop; however, in this one, for some reason, they don’t seem to mind that Hernandez’s backstop is other apartments where innocent people may be and the sergeant’s backstop is a trailer park. You can also see from both cops’ body cam footage that there is also a real cross-fire issue developing.
As I said before, had it been any normal citizen, they would be in jail charged with at least attempted murder, unlawful use of a firearm, and assault with a deadly weapon. The regular citizen would probably be convicted of at least one felony and would not be able to have guns. Hernandez, however, because he is a part of that other tier of the justice system, gets to quietly retire with no charges. He will probably show up in another department in six months to a year.
My very first gun safety class, I was told that CCW holders were held to higher standards than law enforcement.
Yeah, I'm interested in the breakdown they will do on the two Houston gals carrying guns and wearing badges who lit up the apartment when an armed citizen was coming to answer the door when she was awakened at 2AM to banging on her door?
@@budm9982 They probably would say "Don’t go Stupid places, with Stupid people, at Stupid times, and do Stupid things."
@@kennethcurtis1856 by higher that just means you can go to jail quicker.
@@kennethcurtis1856Average citizens are held to a higher standard than police. Unless it's a blatant violation of rights, a cop can be excused for breaking the law by claiming they were unaware. Saying you're unaware of the law as a citizen is not a defense that is accepted in court.
A mistake that was going to cost someone his life is not a mistake..should be held accountable.
Did something wrong, instantly regretted it, textbook definition of a mistake but sure. Needs to be held accountable? Yeah sure, but a mistake not being a mistake based one the potential outcome of the mistake? Dumb.
@@m.m.6044The cops aren't judge, jury, and executioner. Maybe he was abusive, maybe she made everything up, point being you can't unreasonably use deadly force against someone just because their a criminal. There should be no difference between whether Ted Bundy or the Pope were the ones sitting in that car.
Yeah only thing I can think of is he was having a PTSD episode. I don't think he should be punished too harshly, but he should never have an occupation that let's him carry a firearm again and he shouldn't be able to carry a firearm day to day anymore. He got super lucky that neither hit the guy. Female officer should be fired for not knowing what she's doing.
@@Zoroaster4 Not a smart take here... "just because [they're] a criminal" wasn't why the officer started shooting (although it does play a role... if you're not naturally more distrusting of a known criminal than you are of the Pope, you're probably an idiot).
The officer wasn't playing "judge jury and executioner" he was responding to a perceived threat. It makes zero sense to imply he just wanted to kill this kid because he thought the kid deserved it.
If you can't criticize honestly, don't criticize at all.
@@supernovamike Did to not even read the comment I was replying to? My point was that just because the person is a criminal doesn't mean the officer should receive any more or less punishment than if the Pope were the suspect. I don't care if the guy is a criminal or not, it is so unreasonable to mistake an acorn for gunfire and falsely claim you where hit that he should receive some punishment for doing so. By shooting at someone just because they're a criminal when you have no reasonable reason to believe they are a threat that is acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
You guys backs must be sore from carring all that water for this guy
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Mike, imaginary bullets are not a reason to mag dump.
An overactive murder imagination is not a reason to mag dump. Playing pretend that you're in combat is not a reason to mag dump.
This is the complete opposite if mental fitness.
He had to imagine a shot was fired, fine...but whats with the rolling around as if he feels actual pain? Whats the paralysis once he's (half) in cover fumbling the mags?
This is how i imagine a ptsd induced panic attack to look like.
Exactly. He panicked and nearly killed someone.
I won't speak to everyone's experience with trauma, it does manifest in different ways. But I have a hard time believing this guy seriously thought he was hit. I could believe him maybe hitting the dirt getting into cover and hyper ventilating for a few minutes while he processes a flood of emotions. I've seen that before. But continuing a lie, panicking and shooting at phantom threats is.........well it doesn't seem right. Not as in he's not right in the head, but more in a "I don't believe that is PTSD" kind of a way.
@@brandonschwertley2723 if you're in fight or flight mode thinking you're being shot at you'll simply "hyper ventilate for a few minutes" instead of shooting back at the perceived threat? that's not how adrenaline works bud.
@@fullysemi-automaticmemes3888 PTSD often manifests itself as a panic attack, and panic attacks often involve hyper ventilation. Panic attacks can also trigger adrenaline dumps in the body. The debate going around right now is whether he had a panic attack which led to his behavior, or if he was just looking for an excuse to start shooting at the guy. I do find it hard to believe the acorn was enough to cause a panic attack on it's own.
Hard to imagine how insane this cop has to be ????
this is funny as hell. Especially when he starts shouting shots fired shots fired and stops for a few second in silence and then decides to start unloading into the cruiser. it gets even funnier when he says I'm hit then starts rolling on the ground and agony, LMAO. This guy reminds me of Talladega nights when Ricky loses it and starts running on the track thinking he is on fire.
Hahahaha
Officer Doofy
This was an absolutely horrible incident, and I feel bad for everybody, even the cop. But, yeah, especially since nobody ended up dying, it was really really hard not to watch that refrain from cracking up laughing. It's like out of a comedy movie or something
he must 've done several desk pops
The male officer had been fired from another department before this incident. There is no way anyone should be defending this guy
And he is likely already employed at the next town over continuing to be the incompetent garbage that he is.
@user-oi2zd9zv5k I hope you realize that you only need a high school diploma to be a road pirate.
@user-oi2zd9zv5k Yeah I don't believe a cop with a high school education and 6 months of training that doesn't include training on the constitution knows better than me.
@user-oi2zd9zv5k Keep licking those boots buddy, the government will show you soon enough how much you don't matter to them.
@user-oi2zd9zv5k I'm sure you know so much with that boot down your throat
Ouf, what a hill to die on ASP.
Seriously. This was such a disappointing assessment.
@randallmusgrave5138
It's funny cos this is one of the few videos I've watched of theirs again, after unsubbing about four years ago. The last vid back then was the same deal- defending a cop that shot into a man's home who'd called them about a prowler. Same bald guy even haha- now this one again 😂
Also love the bald guy making commenters out to be anti female cop, and in the same breath says: "we all know about the crazed, hysterical woman- they're in every video". Riiiight. 🤣
Sho'nuff
That's why cops scare me they do shit like this and nothing happens to them
I love this channel but pointing out the cop is a good dude and the guy in the car has a history of suppressed firearms is quite the stretch for justifying the response. The LEO's reaction was beyond ridiculous. Thankfully this guy is no longer a sheriff. Trying to justify it might even be crazier. Blue really sticking together on this one.
Agreed
This cop is suppose to protect but is a danger to society. Certain personalities simply can't have certain jobs.
Facts
He’s not a sheriff for a minute until another agency hires him. No charges, they let him resign, he’s going to be rehired somewhere else.
Both of those cops need to be in prison
ASP: "This is what emotional fitness is..."
All of us: 👀 😬
It's ok John. We All can see how emotionally fit he is
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Emotional fitness to stay in the “fight”. What fight? lol
@@Hillboyz3 That was exactly what I said. What fight John! Lol
Yeah, wholly concur. I've been watching this channel for years, usually on point, this has to be the low point.
ASP must be one of those "back the blue" channels.
It is.
They do business with PDs and SOs. The unions won't work with you if they find out you have ever criticized a cop.
They need to pass a law to ban assault acorns and hold squirrels accountable
Stop! Ouch! I tell, there has to be an Award made. Called the "Golden Acorn Award" with a citation. Wonder what could be written?
Don't fuck with squirrels Morty!
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@@PomisherThe “Special Nuts Brigade?”
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"I feel weird, but I'm good"
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Sounds like my GF on her periods.. 😂
How on planet earth can you possibly try to defend this incompetence?
Because they’re former cops who protect their own. They’re always handling cops with kid gloves, just like the justice system
Bending over backward...
@@wilgriausI don’t think John is prior law enforcement. Either way I’ve seen them call the cops out before but this video is just ridiculous there is so much wrong here and the channel has lost a lot of credibility as far as I’m concerned.
I do not feel sorry for him. He could of killed someone
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@@ftroop8462grammar cop
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could of and WAS trying
could "have" not "of"@@prd.customs
I am really surprised by the assessment of this one.... ASP has grilled cops over much less.
Could be trying to over-correct the other way
I wonder if the guy had died if they'd still be defending the cop..
Agreed that they have gone harder over much less, but I also think they recognized that every other channel has already thoroughly done that. Sometimes a mistake is just a mistake, and I think their hearts kind of go out to the guy since he will be judged by this one mistake for the rest of his life, despite all of the honorable things he had done up to that point.
@@mikko-of6cu I get that, and I'm not excusing his actions. I was just saying that the guys probably thought they would be "punching down" at this point to keep piling on the same criticism everyone else has been sharing. That's all.
@@mikko-of6cu I can't argue with that logic, and I agree with your point. It's like G Carlin always said, "Either it's all okay, or none of it is."
This channel is always on the cops side. I like factual info not biased.
Obviously -- they sell services to police forces. That said, this one is wild, this channel is usually pretty spot on. If the acorn officer behaved like this in a military context it would be absolutely over for him. Firing pretty blindly in a civilian neighbourhood full of houses and children with people everywhere too... No excuses.
Guys this is absolute incompetence. The point you guys make about the criminal possibly having a gun is laughable, he’s frisked and wearing skin tight jeans. Hes not fitting a suppressed 9 mil in a body cavity or in skin flaps like an obese person could. Whether he’s a special forces combat veteran or not he should know the sound of a suppressed weapon and the sound of broken glass. Bullets don’t pass through glass or a car door without making serious noise or observing a window breaking as bullets pass threw it. The officer absolutely should have been charged and now he’s made a scum bag criminal extremely wealthy as the department will absolutely be sued by him.
This is 100% the correct take.
Is that a suppressor or are you just happy to see me ?
Lost tons of respect for this channel
@@randyrawalt7276😂
I couldn't agree more! 😂 What the hell is going on with these guys .
If law enforcement fire on civilians unlawfully, are we allowed to fire back? The justice system gives officers the power to murder. The fact that this officer is called incompetent at MINIMUM is concerning. They searched this man before placing him in the car. HOW could you even think he’s pulling a pistol out and shooting at officers from inside the damn car. What wouldve happened if the guy actually got shot and died? Would that have been whats needed to make the case for the cop being wrong? Waiting until its too late?
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Facts
- Unfortunately as we all know, changes only come when terrible incidents occur
This was tough to watch
I just s lot of respect for this channel. This is the 100th time I have come across double standards and I can post links to every single one of them.
Yea i’ve lost all respect for this channel as well. Unsubscribing!
Could have killed so many innocent people
Right there with you man. Been a subscriber for quite a while but this is pathetic.
Absolutely ridiculous to make excuses for this kind of negligence.
@@danbrown1727 Then post them. What are you talking about double standards?
100 times? Post 5, just don’t sound off. How are you not a couch cowboy? You think just by watching it you are some sort of an expert. That’s who you sound like without backing up your rant.
@@misodinamosawhy you so mad tho?! 😂 You sound like the type of guy in this video.
@@b2themfeto If someone makes such a strong claim as "I can post links to every single one of them" ok, then do it. He's calling the bluff. People see a cop doing something and get mad, so they want to blame the people who don't get mad too. Emotional fitness is literally what ASP is showing. I'm sure they're frustrated, but acting like "well he's a cop so he's bad" isn't a lesson, and if they were going to say that, they'd just not show the video and show something else that gives a better lesson.
Look i'm not saying ASP is great. Personally I stopped watching him when he took on the "crazy man beard" and stopped looking professional. Yet getting angry at someone for not being angry when you are, and saying "they're hypocrates and I can prove it" sure, prove it. Then we can all agree, and go on our day. Otherwise, he is just a couch cowboy running his mouth and screaming yeehaw with the crowd.
Seeing as the origional comment was a month ago, and your two comments were two weeks ago. I'd venture to say, he doesn't have those links, because youtube would show him all of the responses to his comments.
The second you mentioned that we should watch the entire video leading up to the acorn drop I knew you wanted to paint a picture of the suspect somehow deserving what happened, albeit attempted. As a veteran myself what on earth does him serving have to do with discharging his service weapon?
Nothing wrong with getting the entire story, but you are right about it not making any difference
You have to identify a target before unloading on someone... I thought police should probably know that.
You would think his “extensive” military training would have picked up that slack.
@alex…Except for the (very real) suppressive fire thing. The ASP guys have it right. The mistakes were a ‘meh’ pat-down and a horrific misinterpretation of a startling “pop” sound. Perhaps the combat veteran had a PTSD moment there. It’s sad, but not criminal IMO.
It's just hilarious how time and time again I'm told cops are held to the same standard as private citizens. But over and over we see situations where if it'd been a private citizen doing whatever it is that cop did, the cops would happily show up and take the private citizen to jail for the rest of their lives no matter how much of a "good person" they are.
@@737smartinI don't think suppresive fire really has a place in the street of America. This wasn't a military engagement.
@@Alex-by6hn Agreed, cop training has nothing to do with military training.
Serving in the military does NOT automatically make you a good person.
There is no excuse for this
Stop making excuses for the cop. He was clearly in the wrong. I notice you defended the officer for his military service, and the female cop pulling a double shift and tired, but you shot a few jabs at the perpetrator who was already cuffed, frisked, and put in the cruiser. COME ON MAN!!!
You’re right. I’ve see John pick constant for holding a radio in their support hand, flagging a partner etc. but somehow he gives this guy a break lol. Come on.
Dude, no one is making excuses for the cop, but him knowing that the suspect owned a silenced pistol and had recently sent threatening photos of it to the victim, I can see how Hernandez subjectively believed he heard a silenced pistol shot. No it doesn't make it objectively reasonable, but it explains how he made the mistake that ended his career.
@@m.m.6044 she wasn't actually tired. ASP got that part wrong, her last shift ended 48 hours before & she had 7 hours of sleep the night before. Her firing was all based on Deputy Hernandez reporting shots fired and that he'd been hit.
@@DKBlair"owned" a pistol? Who cares what he "owns"? If he doesn't have it *on* him, it's irrelevant. Immaterial. He was frisked, cuffed, and in a squad car
@@DKBlairlook at this idiot telling other people if somebody was tired or not lmao what a joke. She was on a overtime shift he says it right in the beginning
To the ASP crew:
I couldn't find a single comment that agreed with your analysis. And I scrolled for DAYS. I wouldn't be surprised if your views and subscribers drop like Bud Lite's sales after the Dylan Mulvaney situation. Because that's pretty much what's happening here. Clean up your mess
Saying that the suspect is going to have the best soups in jail to saying "Hes a good guy" about the cop is crazy lmaoooo.
These guys are revealing they aren't as smart or moral as they try to appear
Yes, that was John showing his bias. The man was almost killed.
These guys are as moral as cops NICE
Blind ideological pro-cop commentary like this is what makes ASP John a joke… would probably say “he’s a good guy” even if the boyfriend died riddled with bullet holes while cuffed up in the back seat
@@JohnSmithNYCjohn is very racist
How long before John turns off the comments?
Soon because his little feelings are getting hurt at so many sane people in the comments questioning him for backing police in a case where they are clearly in the wrong
@@plusnew8306 👏
15 more minutes
This is definitely the video where it will happen.
Unsubscribing. You're delirious if you think this cop is justified
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Exactly
A low moment for ASP.
You guys usually call balls and strikes pretty accurately. YOU ARE WRONG here. The perp was searched AND CUFFED THEN LOCKED IN A CRUISER...WTF are you talking about?
You did watch the whole vid, right? The pat down wasn’t up to any standard. In a completely different example, which has very different circumstances, I would like to remind you of the women who was fully arrested and in cuffs in the back of a patrol car being 1) freeing herself from handcuffs, 2) obtained a police officer’s AR-15 rifle from that locked patrol car while still in custody, and shot the rifle out car striking a civilian and an officer. That HAS happened. Obviously, the officer in this vid is totally in the wrong…. but this dude was seeking a suppressed weapon in a thorough pat down to fully arrest him. Wasn’t likely to be there, but he had to check. Then, that noise and all his bad decisions…. But it truly isn’t as outlandish as you’d expect
@@wbrycecfoh no matter how you spin it they were wrong!
I mean the biggest clue for the officer that no shots were fired from the cruiser, is that every single fucking window is intact
I'm under the impression that this channel will back the blue no matter what they do even if the excuse was "the wind was blowing." An acorn falling are you serious? Had this been a civilian and not a "decorated vet" that happens to be a police officer you guys would roast the crap of out him and deservedly so. What a joke. He should be arrested and so should his partner.
Yeah, it’s just dumb. All the passes. D riders all day.
Cap
You just hate America
Because Americans are self loathing victims
I don't understand the partner nonsense. So you're saying if a cop hears another cop has been shot, they know where the criminal is, they have to what???? Wait until they see the gun aimed at them before they can fire back? Wait until they were hit? To prove that the bad guy is bad? She was told there was gunfire coming from the car and that her coworker was hit. That's enough. Should she wait until she gets photographic proof? As the bad guy to yell his intentions are to indeed kill the cops and get away?
No! In the heat of action you react or people are dead and the Internet Investigation Squad will call her a moron for standing there like an idiot waiting until she saw 8 people die and her leg is blown off before she can "legally" react.
This is 100% the first officers mistake and the Sergeant is innocent, she was reacting to the situation accordingly.
What distinguishes the reasonable perception of a suppressed gunshot from the unreasonable perception of a suppressed gunshot?
Does it matter if they're subsonic?
@@dafunkmonster "What distinguishes the reasonable perception of a suppressed gunshot from the unreasonable perception of a suppressed gunshot?"
Us old-timers call it common sense.
do we actually let him murder an innocent person before we call him a bad cop?
@m.m.6044 all the charges were dropped sooo.
@@m.m.6044 well that's a terrifying way of thinking about it! I hope you never get access to any real power
He is a bad cop and a stupid person.
Murder would imply intent.
@@m.m.6044 Horrible take
I've been saying that A.S.A.P is biased when it comes to police officers because they're former police officers. It's not in their nature to be objective.
ASP not ASAP🤣
100%, and John isn't humble enough to realize that.
Wow, I’m just amazed at the amount of excuses being coughed up for these two officers.
It’s funny that the mob mentality calls analysis excuses.
@@ActiveSelfProtection call it what you want but an analysis does not involve how much of a “Good guy” someone is. That’s pandering to justify someone’s action who is clearly in the wrong. I’m battle tested and proven and I’ve never fired of a wild shot for nothing at all, I don’t even like suppressive fire, when my rifle goes of it’s for a justified reason and people die. Call it what it is he’s a coward. He didn’t even try to take cover, he just went wild firing wild shots that could have killed someone innocent on their couch watching tv.
@@ActiveSelfProtection What most of us are reacting to is what appears to be a slip in your standards. You talk al lthe time about citizen carriers knowing your backstop, knowing where every bullet is going, shooting only when it is justified, etc. Yet in your analysis of this video you did not hold these two cops to those same standards. And you overemphasized the cop being a "good guy" where that should not be part of the analysis nor is it typically. What we are reacting to is a poorer quality of analysis than we have come to expect from you and we are disappointed. That is a fair and reasonable reaction, not mob mentality.
So I literally said it was a BAD shoot…. Then gave more info for your consideration.
@@kbc1883 I thank you, I appreciate this response. It perfectly outlines all my concerns that triggered my comment because to me and others it seems like the standard changed and this is not the first video but I let the others slide because they weren’t as bad.
"I feel weird but im good" lol, dude is trippin' balls.
Damn what a way to drop the ball. Dude thought he got shot and unloaded a gun on a already detained suspect. Fucking crazy to say the cop is a good guy at the end of this. Dude endangered everyone in that neighborhood.
Jesus, what happens when he hears a car backfire.
There has been history of this, and the cop killed the person
Under-rated comment. 😂
" Jesus, what happens when he hears a car backfire. "
137 shots fired and 2 dead civilians. This has actually happened.
Why bring spiritual fitness into this
An AR goes out to play in that scenario...
I researched deeper. The officer did not have direct combat experience, he was a commissioned officer who worked in ops not the frontline. I’m sure he had the training via West Point, Infantry and Special Forces. Officer Hernandez panicked. Objective evidence leading to a lethal outcome?
And the lady cop ALSO had objective evidence?
Yeah no
@@potentiallyinterestingvide3089sure she did. From her vantage point, it's a gun fight.
So you're gonna provide a citation, right?
@@mrbadguysan"sure she did. From her vantage point, it's a gun fight."
No. New tactics and policies do not support "contagious fire". Each officer must have their objective evidence to open fire. Not just everyone shoot in that direction.
@@papimaximus95she thought her partner was hit, also saw him playing the part so I mean in a split second yeah I can see why she shot.
Good men do not mag dump into unarmed civilians.
John, you're wrong again. The suspect is obviously a piece of shit, but this officer panicked. Worse than that, the female officer had no clue what was going on and panicked even worse. Vet or not, he should not be a police officer if he's that jumpy. Both of these cops should be let go.
What specifically am I wrong about?
@@ActiveSelfProtection for defending these asshats that nearly murdered someone and only didn't because of their gross incompetence. Fort Walton Beach would be a much safer place without these two idiot officers on the roster.
There is a difference in defending and analyzing. Where did you hear me say anything but this was a bad shoot?
@@ActiveSelfProtection I never heard you say it was a bad shoot. In the civilian world the 2 shooters in this incident would both be charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault, etc. And the excuse of an acorn fell on my car would get you laughed out of court.
Reminds me of National Security. “There was a bumblebee”
When this channel misses the mark they are dangerous. This is straight up attempted murder. So much for safe, sane and moral.
What mark? Youre stating what was already said captain obvious lol
Attempted murder requires mens rea.
Acting in self-defense against a perceived lethal threat PRECLUDES mens rea.
Learn how the law works.
Well at least he was sober 😂
NOT FAIR! If a citizen has done this. Automatically locked up or in an institute.
That fake cry is Oscar worthy 🏆
What fake cry???
Bro it was sooo annoying 😂
Fake cry? Cause women aren’t emotional? 😂😂
No tears😂😂😂😂
Definitely fake. When you can turn it on and off it's not real....
“We have investigated ourselves and determined that we did nothing wrong”
😂
Wasn’t he fired/resigned?
@@iamhereblossom1588do you guys even watch the video🤣
🐺🐺🐺🐺🐾🚓🚨 guarding the 🐔🍗🐔🍗 coupe....
@@ebancormier5046 I was about to watch it to see if there were any details I missed on another video I watched but the other video had a better analysis and review of it so I stopped watching this one.
Serious Mike your defending this officer when he seriously needs an evaluation to check if he is not having flashbacks from peeling potatoes in service! How do you excuse him rolling or flipping around yelling im hit im hit 😅😂
Only officer Hernandez is dreaming having a nightmare and needs to wake up because they clearly said he did two tours but never seen (active combat) meaning he may have been in the war but never had to fire his gun at a bad guy/terriost
The Acorn suffered the sidewalk temperature challenge
Sidewalk temperature challenge. 😆
I knew this comment would be here and scrolled until I found it. 👍
It would’ve if they didn’t miss every single shot they fired 😂
Squirrel wedding celebration
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
Love you guys but I can't agree on this one, it being "the worst day of his life" or "the worst mistake hes ever made" shouldn't exclude him from your judgement. He shouldn't have shot, yet he did and could've resulted in even a random person getting hurt. I think goofing on him is the least we can do.
They locked the dude in a car and pumped it full of lead because the girl was crying about how mean he was.
If the unarmed man in the car was hurt or killed would you still feel bad for him Mike?
Not to mention the PTSD he is going to have from that. Lucky to be alive for sure.
They also dont understand why his girlfriend was screaming that they were mag dumping her bf for no reason
@@jcooper702 you have too many labels.................... wake up and be a man.
He wasn’t a Boy Scout 🙄
Yes. You can feel bad for both parties. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t go to jail. Both of them.
"There's lots of other TH-cam channels that are just meme-ing the crap out of this and making fun of this guy, and we don't do that here" 20:00
Also you, roughly every single video: "He took the asphalt-temperature challenge, teehee!!"
Very good point
True! And the asphalt temp challenge is for when people DIE! What a jackass! 😂
usually they're referring to the bad guy with those statements.
@@ClifDfirst off, so what? "bad guys" are people too. second, the "bad guy" in this video was the idiot cop who almost killed someone over an acorn, so why is he out of bounds but a regular "bad guy" isn't? seems like the only difference is his occupation.
@@slablargemeat8954watch out buddy they can’t let that thin virtuous vail slip.
What seems very suspicious to me is why he was even walking to that side of the vehicle? It almost looks like he was contemplating something and walked to the far side of the vehicle so he could not be seen. If you look closely at the tape, he's almost past the back passenger door and at a point when he should be reaching for the door handle, he's standing out of reach. I think what he was trying to do was figure out a way to execute this guy and make it look justifiable. Don't tell me that an experienced soldier with two tours in Afghanistan and an experienced officer doesn't know the difference between the sound of an acorn hitting a roof and a suppressed weapon. Even if he had mistaken an acorn for gunfire, he was still claiming that he had been shot. Even if it had hit the vest, at that distance, he would have felt a significant amount of pain. On camera, he goes to the ground, yells, "I'm hit, I'm hit!!" and later stated that he felt weird but was ok. He even laid on the ground pretending to be wincing in pain. Why? Because at this point, he was confident he had killed the man in the backseat. He was putting on a show for the body cam. So no, I don't think he's a good guy at all, he just tried to kill a man and get away with it.
First thing I thought when I saw this. Looks more like an execution than anything.
He most likely went to that side to stay out of the road, its safer that way. As far as the rest of it who even knows what was going on lol
Even if that was true, he still didn't know the acorn was going to fall.
No one could predict that lol
@@maxwellwell4998
Love a shitty conspiracy theory
PTSD should disqualify you from ever being an officer.
There are a very far and wide different types of PTSD. PTSD doesnt always mean you freak out and think gunshots. PTSD can be depression, heightened awareness (which can be a positive thing for cops).
@snowbird2893 I agree with the other guy. You should not be working with weapons if you freak out like this from an acorn falling.
Agreed
You don't have a clue what you are discussing.
Black criminals matter
Imagine if that was a wall nut .. "they are shooting heavy artillery at us"
How about a COCONUT then? That's got to be a nuclear attack incoming..
If it was a coconut it would of turned into that scene from the Miami mall
*pine cone falls* GRENADE!
@@paulcollins6825😂
Everybody talking about the officers . . . no problem about that but nobody gives a hoot about the terrified guy in the vehicle facing a barrage of bullets with no clue as to what's going on. So glad he wasn't hit.
Let’s put a few things into perspective: 1. The suspect, according to the news I read was released and not charged.
2. Suspect was searched handcuffed and in a police car. 3. Law enforcement is the 22nd most dangerous profession in the US. 4. Being a nice guy isn’t relevant to what happened here.
Ok let’s just say for the sake of argument that the acorn falling from the sky sounded like a suppressed 9mm/.223/12gauge or whatever round he thought he heard (total B.S.) you’re telling me that none of the investigators thought it was weird or absolutely ridiculous that this man was recreating William Dafoe’s death scene in the Movie Platoon???!!! Give him the Oscar and charge his ass with a crime!
the fact that you said you can understand why he did that because of his past stuff means that the department should have seen it and a combat vet with high PTSD should have never been allowed on the force
Someone said he never saw combat
Officer shooting at an acorn: "I feel weird but I'm good!"
ASP: "This is what emotional fitness looks like"
Lol
You must've missed the part where they criticized his emotional fitness. Maybe try watching the whole video without looking for something to be offended by.
Alright that made me laugh pretty hard
@@supernovamikeit's called making a joke seems like you're the only one here getting offended
OMG, laugh a little there@ovamike! @oaomcg's comment was the perfect comment given how glowy they were about the cop. It was hyperbole, not an actual reflection of the video content, but it sure captured the ridiculous fawning vibe perfectly. 🤣 I usually love this channel, but they were ridiculously biased toward the cops on this one.
You can say he's a good dude all you want anybody with his experience would know when you fire from inside a vehicle the windows typically don't stay intact he clearly has PTSD and should not be wearing a badge and needs to be criminally charged and held accountable for his actions
You can shoot through doors, bro. He didn't hear the sound of an impact against glass, he heard the sound of an impact against metal.
I still think he's a dipshit, but everyone saying "but the windows!" is just wrong.
He doesn’t have PTSD. At least not from his service. He was an officer who never saw direct combat.
They searched him he had skintight jeans on! One of the guys said ppl put guns in their cavity!???? Really?? drugs yes! Guns..WOW
He doesn’t clearly have ptsd. He has some serious problems that seem to me as serious enough to disqualify him from this line of work.
As a combat veteran, Combat Veterans should not be any form of law enforcement or border protection at all, period
Can you imagine if a private citizen did this?
You wouldn’t see the light of day for decades yet this guy gets to resign
If no one was it, you wouldn't get decades in prison
@@JasonMW45 There was a person inside
How did I know this video was going to be pretty much John giving the cop a reach around John has no backbone when it comes to some situations
That video they did on the homeowner coming to the door armed b/c some cop parked down the road and was sneaking around his porch like a burglar gave it away along time ago. He holds police to a lower standard when it should be the opposite.
Agreed
John loves working with cops. That's why he will never criticize the cops harshly even if they were in the wrong.
@@kenthomas7471 His co-host is an ex cop.
ASP on the downhill slide.
It don't matter if the guy was a boy scout or not that has nothing to do with the situation where a police officers judgment was 100 percent wrong
ASP… are y’all outta your freakin minds 😂
Every so often they defend the indefensible because police.
"I feel weird, but I'm good" truer words never spoken
That "weird" he was feeling was God reminding him what a dumbass he is.
probably pooped his pants from the acorn ambush
ASP working hard for 30 minutes to justify this police crap. Embarrassing.
Gets funnier every time I watch it. Officer Acorn was in army special forces for ten years but never heard a shot fired in anger and that’s obvious. Never give a pog a gun.
I'm pretty sure he was support. No way he was a ODA officer.
When I first saw this, it was hilarious to me. It could've easily been a horrific, tragic event but fortunately (miraculously) nobody was harmed.
My conclusions after rewatching another time were that was either intentional, incompetence or a PTSD episode.
I'm leaning on PTSD. The way he reacted to the bang of the acorn, the combat roll, etc.
I think he rolled over a rock and the sharp pain made him think he was hit as well.
It was just such an overreaction (to put it mildly) that one can only conclude that he was either very on edge, having a PTSD episode or both.
I've seen things like it before ...minus the gunfire.
I had an older friend who was an Iraq war veteran. He was actually in combat and suffered from injuries due to it. He saw and experienced some terrible things.
During a cookout one summer, someone down the road lit off fireworks. Upon the first firecracker going off, he immediately got down and yelled "GET DOWN, GET DOWN" and started crawling towards a picnic bench.
He stopped soon after, after his wife ran over to him and held him. She was literally lying there with him, trying to soothe him as the rest of us told him it was ok.
It took a few minutes to snap him out of it.
Before the firecrackers went off, he was normal, joking around, nothing was off about him.
That's kind of what I'm seeing here in the video - except this man had a firearm...and we see what that led to.
I don't know if it was an episode for sure, but either way this man should not have been on the force or been allowed access to firearms. He's clearly mentally unfit.
And thankfully, nobody was hurt and the only victim of this debacle were the pants of the man handcuffed in the backseat, which I'm sure were full of sh*t when it was all said and done.
What is a ‘pog?’
@@dennisammann9104:POG:
What's a pOg?
I have to strongly disagree with the ASP findings here. There is so much that could have gone wrong launching 30 rounds with no defined target. Didn't the officer already search and handcuff this dude first? The Tasmanian Devil/Speaking in tongues thing he does after executing the Magnum PI role and emptying an entire magazine is strange. Stealing a car is not supposed to be a death sentence by acorn!
Loss of any respect I ever had for this channel. Obviously they are covering since much of their money comes from training police. Well we know that these guys have a price.
spot on
Lesson 1) Don't call the cops unless you want someone to be violated, assaulted or killed. There's no situation a cop can't make worse.
This is what happens when the minimum requirement is a high school diploma.
@Waldo1122 dont even have to study the law or anything just fresh outta 12th grade
Sargeant: "Ma'am, you need to get out of this situation because your safety is in jeopardy from that emotionally unstable man."
Girlfriend: "I'm sorry, can you specify which one of those guys you are talking about?"
All I can say is that this is the luckiest purp to ever walk the earth. It's a good thing that shooting at cars doesn't cause them to explode like in the movies.
So they searched him and detained him, put him in a squad car but he’s somehow shooting at them??? Amazing.
Not defending this guy, but there have been plenty of instances where a guy was searched and put in a cop car but then killed the cop with a hidden gun. It happened in my hometown right as the officer was about to pull into the jail. It also happened recently where a guy got his gun all the way into the interview room where he was being booked and killed the cop and escaped I think.
@@johnperry5550 agreed.
@@thecheshirecat299I may be wrong, but I think it’s called “laying down cover”. All she had to go by was her officer’s statement that he was shot.
@@thecheshirecat299 not sure what do you think I was trying to say, but all I was doing was replying to the op saying that it has happened before. I am not justifying this cop for doing what he did, I am just saying that it has happened and it is possible for it to happen.
@@xjcrossx 1 send the source, 2 were any of these people handcuffed behind the back.
This is like a scene from Police Academy. Officer Acorn is a real life Tackleberry.
"Shots fired"
"Hears nothing"
"🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫"
Like what'😂
“I’m hit!” 😂
also how can anyone be sure that the cop was even mindfull of the idea that the pat down was sub-par. i think we may be supposing to much here
I was about to make acorny joke, but i stopped myself
😂
No criminal repercussions for the officers involved with all those negligent rounds is absolutely nuts.
They weren't negligent. They were intentionally fired. At a perceived lethal threat.
Criminal intent is often an element in most criminal charges.
If you act in self-defense, even if your perception of a lethal threat is unreasonable, that still precludes criminal intent.
The only crime they could potentially be charged with is unlawful discharge of a firearm.
@@dafunkmonstergoogle Florida culpable negligence
It's hilarious you're going to every comment riding this idiot cops junk, and getting shit on by everyone on every comment because your opinions are braindead. @@m.m.6044
@@m.m.6044dummy
More sense being made in the comment section than anything John said. That's a first on TH-cam, and it should ring a bell.
that cop don't need a gun he's the guy doing a desk pop😂
😂😂😂
I sure hope you both also do a video on the other coward cops in Texas at the church where they recently had an active shooter murdering people and the cops literally were hiding and running away and never engaged the threat at all. The threat was finally stopped by an off-duty officer from I think they said some kind of code enforcement division in Texas and a hero citizen. But the uniformed officers literally were hiding in hallways and trying to get up the stairs to the second floor so they can get away from the shooter. It's actually an unbelievable video to watch I don't understand how these cops are not being fired and also charged for dereliction of duty.
Government thugs are taught to value their lives over We The People, everyone should know by not to NEVER expect the government to send help.
I heard or read that he's an officer with the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
I'm a subscriber of this channel for a long time, trying to defend this deputy about the incident is not good, i lost faith for this channel. Sorry guys Unsubscribed.
You're just noticing this now? mustve not watched much they been biased forever. If a civilian did this = Bad guy, since its a cop ex military and they are also ex police officers = Good guy
Love John, his intentions are good and pure but the hoops he and Mike jumped through to defend the cops is heartbreaking to listen to, call out the bs when there is bs period.
I literally said he was wrong. Literally said those words.
Incompetency! Delusion, paranoia you would call all these out for a civilian, dang John you should’ve known the backlash you were going to get, I feel bad now.
If you were out hunting and heard a noise that you truly thought was the sound whatever creature you are after would it be acceptable to mag dump in the direction of that sound?