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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2021
- ** Back to cutting on lentils and seems like the Fendts age old problem is back... In year 1 we struggled like crazy plugging the backends up to 6 times per day per machine. Last year they came out with the "shark fin" and we didn't plug once in the lentils.
This year, less then 15% of the crop of last year and can't stop plugging. I believe the rotors are still creating some vortex which is holding the straw up, also the chopper could be creating some back pressure. Either way, the right fix in my opinion is go to a "Back Beater" like the others have done.
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Yuck, had to unplug my dads combine this year, like you said was so hot around the chopper my hands hurt for hours after. Amazing how it didn't burn down. Keep up the good work Mike, you guys are Champs!
Thanks! 🙂
How's your harvest coming along down there?
@@mikemitchell2554 good buddy, it was bad like yours, single digit numbers on a lot and hailed out on the rest. Still have 400 acres of canola to do and that will be a first for us. Need you over here to teach us how to combine that stuff! What a year, we feel your pain. Hard to describe what a near complete loss of crop feels like.
@@WelkerFarms Pea augers are your friend.
Remember those rubber arms the old timers had that spun around behind the sieves, I bet that wouldn't plug up...
@@mikemitchell2554 mike I am really wandering why you still run these fendts because seem to run very bad why didn’t you sell all the fendts and buy deers they are great machines or a case combine
What a headache, Mike. And especially with such a poor crop. As dry as it has been here in northern Iowa, our soybeans and corn are yielding quite good and I'm attributing a lot of that to improved genetics. You take care.
Seeing these videos makes me happy we run old White 9720s. Simple, easy to work on and no electronic garbage. Good luck out there!
Been there. Done that. Farm sold. Retired now. Never again. Life is good.
Mike，thank you，you make feel better，after i unplug mud in my macdon header and feed house 10 times，unplug for 15mins combining for 5mins，just trying to combine lentil before all week rain coming
Mike I’m glad you still video thru this tuff year for you guys! Good part of my day is watching you.
Between combine plugs and chasing cows. Some of the most frustrating things in farming. Keep up the great videos our Canadian farming friend.
City kid here...no suggestions, just THANK YOU for the vid!!!
Nice to see your videos about the harvest, a time that I have always perceived as the best time of the year, but which you can also see a time of frustrations.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, in an already busy time.
Continue the good work.
Sit down if you need help in the field, I will come and help you in the harvest.
Mike your fair with every machine. If that were my situation I’d be done with those combines till they change that .
It happens to all of them. Doesnt matter the brand.
Those machines have to pay for itself. It would have to be very bad to sell it that fast. You will lose quite a lot of money if you sell machine that is not much used, but also not new.
And as mentioned, all brands have their flaws.
@@mikeznel6048 Nah... not really true. Haven't plugged our Deere's in years.
@@mikeznel6048 our old 9870 was bad for constipation but since we went to the S series and Ma Deere put a heavier drive belt on the discharge beater I can honestly say in 4 yrs I haven’t plugged.
@@grgsrvc The discharge beater turned too slow on that specific model. Different pullies and belts fixed that up nicely.
You are right. The S series had zero plugging issues
Hey Mike. You need more room between those fins at 11:39. And go ask your Fendt dealer if you can Upgrade to the Copper. There was a big update. Like 112 Blades, ActiveSpread etc. That should fix it. A friend of mine is farmer in europe. Had the same problem at lentils.
Or Update to a Red Machine
Exactly. This looks like the standard Chopper with 56 blades called "BaseCut". What you really want is the "ShortCut" with as you said 112 blades. The standard 56 blade chopper should really not be used for stuff like lentils, linseed or beans.
@@SebSND I am afraid You not able to educate this human... LMAO
@@joshpitts7256 That would be Massey Ferguson and that would be a great plan as Fendt is going to be wearing the Massey Ferguson jacket next year in the North American market and it will have the updated chopper.
@@SebSND exactly and especially so if you are feeding last year’s rotten straw through it as well. If you compare the straw chopper on any combine of this size to the chopper in a silage chopper (well I rest my case). A John Deere 8700 silage chopper has a 700 hp engine to chop and blow ten rows of 30 inch corn into a truck. That is a 25 foot swath. In Mike’s situation here the rotted straw from last years wheat is mixing with green stems from this years lentils to create a texture of paste which is the recipe for plugging. The moral of the story is as combines have evolved the straw chopper hasn’t kept up. A straw chopper is no where near as beefy as a silage chopper but yet we asking it to chop and spread over a distance of 50 feet. Having said all that, combines were not designed to harvest green straw or stems on other crops or when the dew descends on the crop in the evening. When you plug, your machine is trying to tell you something. You have to learn its language.
Hang in there Mike...be safe...we love you!
Mike your crazy! I’d unplug that thing maybe twice, and if issues still persist...that combine would be gone! Get rid of those machines, and go buy Claas. You’ll never regret that move!
Except that there is guys over here who have had exactly the same issue with Claas
Mike, after watching this video, it came to me we used to have a 3 tine fork that had the tines were bent 90 degrees on a 4ft. wooden handle. We used it to dig out our Harvestore silo. There has to be a better way than your doing and that fork would really work well. Good luck!
Great Video, a Plugged combine is no joke, wow! what an issue! Keep going guys, you are great
Don’t ever worry about the noise. We understand and are fine with it.
Thanks for the great video Mike!
Too late now but can you slow down the chopper?
Can have trouble with Claas in light crops. Air vortices send the material back towards the rotors. Slowing the chopper alters the air flow and let's gravity win again.
Counter intuitive but it does work.
Thinking the same thing, is worth a shot. That light dried fluffy material doesn't feed through any combine good.
I have had that problem too and putting the chopper in low gear helped greatly. Too much back flow air from chopper to allow light straw flow to feed into it until it’s a large enough pile and then it may slug chopper when it dose fall in.
Great video Mike
You are a good man Mike, keep going!
Nice combine!
One more suggestion for you are your hammers worn in your chopper if the hammers get rounded the choppers turn so fast it actually kicks the straw back up and it won't grab it. We have had that problem with our old combine in canola change hammers and no more problem. Might be worth a try.
Dang that would be madding! Seems like they defiantly need to go back to the drawing board!
Mike. I carried a corn hook you know when walking beans back in the old days. Reach in there with it , works great. Like an extension of your arm
Saves on grass cuts, sharp edges.
NUCLEAR NUTTY word of the harvest
I come home from prepping combines (among other things) for harvest to watch Mike farm and have a great time. Share in the struggles, and the laughs too, I suppose.
Sure can hear your frustration in your voice I can totally understand been there myself hopefully things get better
Had the same trouble with my lexion this year in light crop. Never had it happen before. Ended up slowing the rotors down slightly and it never happened again. My theory is that it was throwing the straw against the rear wall and momentarily stacking up. Slowing rotors down gave it more time to fall down into the chopper instead of hanging up on the rear wall and coming down in chunks
Yeah, have a buddy with a new 8800 had some issues plugging too.. I can't slowy rotors anymore than 280rpm, even put the chopper in slow gear, no difference. Sped the rotors up to 500, still plugged.. 🤷🏻♂️Also doesn't matter whether or not the stationary knives are in or out.
But our John Deeres with their back beater, just keep going with no issues
From experience with canola in an ideal combine. you can unscrew the control panel back at the strawchoppers and a hatch on the other side and you get fairly large holes. it will be a little easier but not much ... That's how it is on our ideal 8 at least
It would be my last year with them combines
My record for plugs was 3 times in 1,000 ft of wheat swath.
Finally realized the straw walkers were broken in an older style combine and the straw was not able to make its way out the back of the combine.
Excessive hanging dust in the air hampered the ability to see the rear of the combine to help diagnose the problem.
You need a stainless hook with a couple of fingers so you don’t have to stick your hand up in there👍
Yep, had the same idea
I was thinking of a gardener's 3 tine weeding hoe. Small and works with one hand but also would be able to fit above the chopper.
Or a old three tine bale hook for picking up small bales
Do you mean hay hooks?
There's a lovely new invention called a hay hook, I know most might be unfamiliar with it, but it'll be your best friend when you plug the stuffer on a big square baler, turns a 2 man 2.5 hour job into a single man 2 hour job
Last combine I ever drove was in 1973. I have driven many and had old pull types. Never ever had to unplug the back end. Sometimes a large pile left from the swather would go in and plug the cylinder and we sould need to unplug, maybe once a year. You need to get a better combine.
Just a note there Mike, If you take a 3/8 or 1/2 rod that's about 4 or 5 feet long, sharpen a point on it, bend it to a hook shape, bend a handle into it, it makes life a whole lot easier when digging out plugs in your rotor or chopper, you can push it through the plugs and pull out the straw with the hook. you have longer reach and you aren't digging in the dust. Dont go to big cause it gets heavy and to light of rod will bend on you. we hang ours on the ladders when not in use.
Had this happen to our 9670 in edible beans, chopper operating in high range would create a wall of air and not let material into chopper, switched to low speed all good
I wont ever buy a fendt combine after watching you guys the last couple of years. I suppose every brand has issues but those fendts seem to need a mechanic around them at all times . Hopefully they improve on their weaknesses and update their next model year machines. Great video thanks for the excellent content !
Great Vid Mikey👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice videos. Very true how things are nobody actually understands the hardships. Best of luck you!!!
PS. I’m a JD guy but all have their own problems.
Mike you say you do not drink, now I know why. If you start you may never stop from all the problems you have with those combines!!
I dreaded it when I plugged the walkers on the 760 and 860 Masseys, especially when it was over 100 degrees outside.
I’ve done lots of years of lentils with JDs and only remember plugging the back end once in heavy dog fennel, But the JD has easy access to the walkers. We used to plug the header or even the cylinder a maybe a couple times a day when we swathed and took in green slugs, but never in standing lentils. That Fendt looks like a nightmare to unplug. I hope your fire insurance is up to date.
Really hope you got those machines at a very good price point! It would be tough looking at a balance sheet trying to justify big big $$$$s on these machines expecting top level performance.
There are much better options out there!
The combine was trying to commit 🔥it was trying end it for you with the plug.
Good stuff
Also best tool you need for cleaning out a plugged combine is a "garden hand cultivator" or "garden claw hand rake". I use mine all the time for unplugging my combine. You can find them like 6inches long bigger, perfect size to keep in the cab, and gives a extra reach.
Hello, I had a problem with my mower deck and grass clippings sticking to it. I solved it with a good cleaning and painting it with a graphite paint I believe it was called slip plate. It did not fix it 100% but it sure helped.
When we used to custom harvest we built T handle 1/2" rods with a point and a small piece welded on to make a shark fin hook to pierce the straw plug then you could pull it with out so much going down your arms and neck
Ah, so like the barb on a fish hook? I was getting quite concerned with his hands going up into that space. I was thinking broom handle with something like a fishing gaff. I suppose you stand a chance of pulling something off it would be better not to.
@@Paddington60 YES
@@jandcco I have a friend who is an Upholsterer, he has a medium version for pulling horse hair about in upholstery, I don't remember how it was made to disengage so it could be withdrawn. If memory serves me correctly, the barb is made by cutting into the metal at about 20 degrees and bending the metal out to make the barb.
On our 8570 we moved the chopper 6 inches forward and it was prayers answered
I don’t know if you tried this one or not…
But what if you politely asked the Ideal combine not to plug up, maybe it’ll listen?
That seems to be how it works now...
Send it a firmly worded letter.
Maybe ask him and see what he could do about
If that doesnt work try asking it in German.
@@EFCasual oh no, not a strongly worded letter!
Hi Mike. We are having the opposite problem with our New Holland. It plugs dropping straw but is ok chopping and we want the straw. It is fine when the sun is shining but we have been rather short on sun this harvest.
Only time we have that problem is with damp straw, take a bolt out and drop the tail way down.
In excavation we make an air lance out of a pipe and valve that goes on are pull type air compressor for moving dirt in tight places I believe that would help unplug your combine since they get plugged up so often you could mount the air compressor on your fuel trailer
EXCELLENT “Title Choice” for this video as I DEFINITELY hear the FRUSTRATION in your voice.
If the yields were great some issues can possibly be overlooked but not much positive to come from this years harvest.
Couple of good cameras on back and can be watched by all workers on cellphones
we hardly have to deal with plug ups on our Gleaners, at least you stopped another fire from starting lol
Get the garden three finger claw with a two foot handy to keep in the rig they are cheap but will definitely help with those plug ups just a thought stay safe my friend
@Mike Mitchell I see that Fendt and Massey Ferguson seems to be the only combines that haven't got the chopper or a straw accelerator just after the rotor. And seems to rely on gravity or straw flow to enter the chopper. Whitch probably might be fine when you are in longer straw but given that you have to play lawnmower with the ideal 9's. They might be in need of something to help the straw to flow smoothly in to the chopper? Like a belt, fan or maby a accelerator rotor of som kind.
Or just grow longer straw...😅😉
MIKE must be so frustrating poor yield to no yield stuff blocking up love you're videos
Build combines so they open up like a round baler and cough out that big wooly wad of waste.
New hollands are that way, but haven't had to do much unplugging though in its day lol
@@farming4g, thanks . . . good to know.
Nothing to say,
but prayers for the best on other fields further north.
Good that it didn’t catch fire! 😅
Hi Mike: I hope you read this one. That chopper if its like a Deere has hammers turned sideways to create more wind> like you said in an earlier video they spread to 50 ft. I think they are making to much reverse pressure and are just holding the straw up to much. Try and drop the stationary knives and putting it in low range. The rotors should chew up the straw up enough to seed through next spring. The low range should be good enough for the amount of material thats going through. The russian thistle is light and also wont fall into negative pressure. Oh did I mention I have never plugged the chopper on my Case 9230. A farmer from North Dakota. Mark
Just a thought. When I was young we had a 40 inch too with a three prong rake head called a corn rake. Do not know if still available but the head is about 4 Ince’s wide and would fit well plug is designed to take abuse and pull material. Thought I would share in case of value
It a cob fork and used for digging out ear corn back in the day of putting corn in cribs and shelling at a later time with a corn sheller
Mike have you ever thought of wearing jumpsuits when unplugging the combines. You could slip them on over your clothes only problem would be if it's hot of course. It would reduce the dust on you a lot.
I feel ur pain Mike
I think I'd carry one of those short 3 tine hand tiller/cultivators to dig all that crap out with. A little extra reach, the tines dig in to the chaff really good, and no burnt fingers.
We used old hay bale hooks to unplug a combine.
So Mike why not carry a big stick with a hook on the end to avoid all the burnt fingers and sliced fingers?
That i what I was thinking. Use an old school bean hook.
Or at least wear gloves.
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Having to deal with all that during a year when your crop is almost nonexistent has got to be more than just frustrating; it’s really horrific. Sorry!
There's nothing more fun than plugging your combine solid a few times per day during harvest.
You guys are young and try to do everything to the extreme ..I know i have been there...
Hi Mike
When you were under the chopper and talked about space...what about angling the lower plate down to gain space?
Drill a series of holes so you can adjust for conditions.
Mike, I’d say , if the rotors plug first you’ll loose airflow through the chopper and so it won’t eject the dry stuff you were pulling out.
Well - you have stories to tell your next generation about the 2021 crop year
Use a hockey stick to dig some of that plug lol
that’s what we use to dig out the rock trap here in Ontario
Wonder if you can takes bolts out of the spreader plate. Pry it down drill a new hole and gain an inch of room to those fins.
GET TO THE CHOPPER!!!!
When you were talking about the fins you grinded off and you weren't sure what the fix was, I was hoping to hear dang it Jim I'm a farmer not an engineer lol
I keep a little hand garden rake to pull plugs
WOW 😳
Can you "clutch dump" the fendt like new holland?
And do you get a hand crank spanner?
Helps alot unplugging
Every machine plugs,
Our freinds plugged their deere so bad it took em 2 days to cut it out with recip saws
Plugged solid front to back
Been close with our 9.90 new holland
Took me a solid day to get out green canola
I really wish that people gave farmers the proper respect they deserve… Most have no idea how smart, resillient and physically strong farmers have to be
I am sorry for you. I drive a Claas Lexion 8800, 1200 hectares and did not plugged one time…
I ran a 760 Massey in the 80’s. Every time i had the knifes in the chopper it would plug. The chopper wouldn’t stop but the chaff would hang on the knifes and back up on the straw walkers. I was in soybeans the last time I plugged up. From the chopper to the rear beater. 4 hours of digging. I took the knife bar out and never plugged again. Didn’t chop that great but no more digging.
As a machinist I have a hook for swarfs, maybe you should get one for you straw. 😁
I took a chunk of rod and bent it in the press to make a hook. I use that to unplug swathers & Balers. Would that help on a combine?
Damn, the struggle is real.
Honestly would you say it's combine itself as a brand or just the odds and inns they have contracted out?
Need to get some Lexions out there Mike
We usually only plug if were dropping straw and theirs lots of Kochia which catches same thing with hemp straw
Simplicity, that's why we run Gleaners. Try a new S98 with a 40 ft. head, then just cut all day long with no plugs.
Mike make up a little pitchfork with 2 or 3 tines on it say 4 or 5 inches wide with a handle 2 or 2.5 ft long for that job. Leave one with each combine. No burned fingers and no reaching into dangerous places.
do you think its plugging from the oil going through the system mixing with the wast making it sticky?
Sorry to see :-( - you need an Axial Flow
Would you try a Lexion next time around?
What about using one of those long handle garden tools that looks like a hand for loosening soil?
you improvise even make your own digging devices
Thanks, I was wondering the exact same thing
Had the same problem with my MF 8570 in thin with weeds canola crop. Seed was dry but straw tough so the plug was warm and smelled like silage. The MF rotaries are similar to the ideals as the basic design is the same. After farting around for a couple hours learning what needed to be done, it took 20 min to free it. Pulled chopper back with front end loader on tractor, (so I could pull straight back) then used hay fork to grab the chunks of wadded straw, moved chopper forward and started combining again. Normally the MF is impressive in tough conditions for a rotary.
You should try a demo of a Gleaner combine, I understand they have improved and overhaul there combine to be one of the best built
i feel the pain but i would love to see one of those ideals in our 250 bushel corn fields here in southern ontario i have yet to see a fendt machine here all RED and green here
Some kind of hook thing would be handy for pulling the plugged straw/crap out of the back of the combine,save the old fingers
If your picking up so much left up stubble is that effecting the combines ability to get the lentil seeds into the hopper?
Its still nowhere near the amount of straw as a normal crop.