A few more thoughts on this S4 - I haven't spent a lot of time in the B9 generation, but drove a lot of B8 S4s in their manual and 7-speed S tronic iterations. This newer S4 feels more like an S6 to me; it's an ultra refined, comfortable, fast sport sedan. It was really planted, but it lacked the sharpness and fun-to-drive character of the previous generation. It's an interesting trade-off especially when you compare it to the TLS Type S and BMW M340i, both of which are a lot of fun to drive. It's fine, because it's probably what Audi customers want - just interesting to see the shift in focus.
Even my mom went for the 330i over the A4 since the Audi wasn't sporty enough for her. As you said, it was extremely comfortable and nice, but sporty it was not.
Did your tester come equipped with the S Sport Package, with the sport differential? The reason I ask - with that option, understeer should be very minimal, with the exception taking it on a race track and really pushing it into a corner.
I kinda miss the supercharged audi s4. Had a lot of character. I reviewed one that ran a 10.1 and set the record for fastest stock blower. Really fun cars.
I just bought a fully loaded 23’ S4 with sound enhancing exhaust and I absolutely love it. I test drove the M340i which did have superior steering but the fact that I could get the S4 for about $10,000 less (Canadian) was a no brainer for me, had just as much fun in dynamic mode than the BMW and with the exhaust package, the Audi actually takes the cake in the sound department.. it’s a must on the options list
@@NonVerba-v3f I redline it every time I drive LOL (after the first 1500km of course) The car is way better at higher RPMs I find, especially once you pass 60mph/ 100kmh Driving in S transmission and Dynamic mode is the optimal performance experience. Remember, to go into S before you switch to manual mode- I notice a different in pops and burbles
@@ferrrariscuderia111 Ha! Absolutely I've tried it once or twice ;) Only problem is there isn't enough room to truly push it in Toronto traffic. What do you think about the oil change intervals? I believe Audi's 1 year or 15,000km is too long. I'm going to change it early.
@@j-schleezy4754 But it's not 20K more, and it never was. At the time of this video the S4 started 8K cheaper than a TLX type-S. And my optioned out S4(sport diff/adaptive suspension, B&O sound, Nappa leather, ect) was 63MSRP and I paid 59K for it, 2K more than a base TLX-Type S. For the faster, nicer, actually rear bias car.
I've driven Audi S4s since the early 2000s, when they had 2.7TT V6, V8, S/C V6 and now back to turbos. S4 has always been very nose heavy and fast in a straight line. If you think this one is like nose heavy and understeers drive the V8 and older versions before they had the sport diff, lol. They are great all weather fast autobahn/daily cars. Type S sounds like a more neutral setup and handling focused, I think I'm liking both.
The nose heavy S4 V8 50/50 Quattro(prior to 40/60 & prior to the sport diff) still beat the M3 of the time around the top gear track. M3 had a better 0-60 though, interestingly enough. I love all the crying about nose heavy Audi. Learn how to drive an AWD platform and you’ll be more than fine even at 9/10 on a track.
Pretty way off my friend - don't get misinformed by this Japanese biased review. Audi offers dynamic steering option and sport package with adaptive suspension. Oh yeah, and the Audi S4 is 3850 lbs, the Acura TLX Type S is 4200 lbs - let that sink. So yeah, nose heavy, cmon...
@@aidangraham4727 as much as I also favor in Infiniti’s segment that’s rare to hear someone say considering it’s always thought to be at the bottom of the competition. Why do you think so out of curiosity?
It's not the lighting elements that do it in for me, instead it's the erasure of the shoulder character line and the fact that MY21 only offers the ugly Q5 steering wheel. Where's the flat-bottom!?
Drive them both on the Autobahn at high speed and then ask the question again when you realize the Acura has the refinement and high speed stability and composure of an A4 from 2 generations ago. :)
I love the way Audis take off a stop - with massive torqueiness, but still gentle. And the broad torque range makes cruising and passing so relaxing and fun. My tuned 2018 A4 , had the best throttle sensitivity I can wish for. I have since tried everything to tune my BMW 330i, but it doesn't quite come close to the Audis smootheness and response, so I will hopefully be able to buy an S4 soon.
Audi's have a noticeable delay off the line and only start moving after a noticeable pause if you floor the gas pedal. I recently compared the new 330i and A4, and the throttle sensitivity is far more aggressive and sporty in the BMW (especially in Sport).
@@DMCarReviews Untuned I thought the A4 and 330i were very close. I prefer the 330i suspension . However, my tuned A4 was unquestionably quicker. Tuned 330i's tend to do 60 in about 5 seconds flat, on a very good launch - even with a custom tune, while a basic Unitronic/APR off-the-shelf tune will guarantee 4.6 s , 0-60 in the AUdi A4, all day long, (and you can easily stage 2, for 4.2 s 0-60 times in the Audi).... .4 seconds may not seem like a lot, but when you combine that with better low end response (thanks to the lower compression E888 engine), the Audi feels much much quicker in daily and spirited driving. Virtually no car (even pricier cars) have the smooth and rushed power like a tuned A4, except electric cars. The dual-clutch helps transfer between gears seamlessly and 9.7 : 1 compression gives you safe power at 2K RPM - at 95 MPH. In contrast, the higher powerband, in the 330i also does not match well with the 330i 8hp51 transmission.
@ You can watch my 330i review. I did 5.0s 0-60 by Dragy in stock form. A tune should get you to low 4s with ease! The 330i has excellent low end and the gearbox is a beast. It's a way more fun to drive car, in my opinion.
There's a surprising amount of lag on manual upshifts and downshifts compared to the M340i you drove. Between that and how much more dynamic the xDrive felt in the M340i, I'm glad I chose it over the S4.
I really wish they hadn’t made the bottom portion of the front fascia so ugly. The rest of the car looks great. Overall, I prefer the looks of the B8.5.
@@VeyroneR On what planet? The Acura is bigger than an A6, has the interior volume of an A3. Gets worse mileage, is slower. Has the high speed stability of a last generation A4. Worse infotainment, Of course is slower, has a craptastic transmission, and issues with cutting power while the wheel is turned to far. Not to mention; Acura/honda has been blowing it with reliability. It's not 1999 with K series engines anymore. Every turbo engine Honda has put out has had issues with oil burning and piston blow by. They still can't figure out how to make an automatic transmission that dose not explode in 80K miles. I fled to lexus after my last two Acuras, that I bought brand new. needed transmissions before 80K miles.
@@tylershubert5087 its not just my opinion. Look at reviews and how many put it in front of Audi. Look the review from STIG he Said TLX in his opinion is Better than Audi and BMW and on par with Mercedes after testing them all. Ur probably American? How many Audi's u even drove ? Im from EU im driving them my whole life.
Compared to this virtual cockpit? Really? I don't miss the analog gauges that my m240i had at all, in fact that was my one gripe about the car, was the instrument cluster. Audi VC is amazing, and you can't really appreciate it unless you've actually seen it and experienced it in person.
@@Cichlid_Visuals I could never buy a WRX, my friend has one (base model mind you) and it just feels so cheap, but it’s base model, once again, so maybe with options it is nicer
Why did Acura only bring the S4? Are they scared to bring other competitors? Shit when the stinger came out they brought a Porsche Panamera bmw 440i gran coupe Audi S5 sportback. They weren’t scared. Acura should have brought a c43 m340i g70 ct5v maybe stinger.......
@@MelloHubb that doesn’t mean diddlysquat. Acura even said c43 and m340i are main competition to type S. The s4 has a longitudinally mounted motor type S has transverse. But it really doesn’t matter type S is is the sport sedan segment it’s there fault they have a FWD platform. The Audi still has a rwd platform. The base A4 doesn’t count. Every A4/s4 with Quattro has a rwd bias Awd system. I think they were scared to have other competition there. Plus the s4 is the oldest platform out of all the class. New S4 should come out next year. If it’s slower then competition oh well but atleast show your not scared of competition. They won’t even mention the g70/stinger because they are cheaper then type S all while having more performance.
@@MelloHubb The S4 is rear-biased. The TLX-S is front-biased. Only standard A4s with the 4-pot are front-biased because they have an entirely different arrangement for the running gear.
Funny how they didn't bring the 340i for comparison. But still, the Acura has a better value proposition than the Germans. TLX-S can be off the lot for 54k with negotiations and stuff... As always, if you want to keep the car longterm, get the Acura. Lease? Get the 340i...
Lucas, I see it as beautiful...typical of sharp, spartan & classic lines. Audis & Acuras are designs that age well. Except Audi’s don’t last as long...the German unreliability factor.
@@Lucas-ix5td looks are subjective. your money your decision. im getting a Type S though. i think it looks awesome and the drivetrain will last 3x longer with forged internals and a beefier tranny. Type S is way better for the money hands down. Forged Crank, Rods, 6 bolt Main. reinforced 10speed auto. this engine will be making way more "Reliable power."
@Ryan Gromoll, There are factors that moderate the significance of manufacturer price point though. Most luxury German autos are leased...few eat the elephant in one bite. And BMW offers extended service coverage, further sweetening the deal. Savvy consumers negotiate-down a purchase price and then either shop their financing, or buy outright. High quality, reliable vehicles (e.g., top tier Asian machines) can factor heavily in buying decisions where total cost of ownership is considered and where one keeps a car for the long haul. It’s untrue then that the differential in the manufactures’ prices between two cars is always preeminent. Comparing the TLX-S vs. BMW 340i is a case where the long term cost of ownership is more heavily in Acura’s favor than first meets the eye...a Honda costs substantially less to operate & service than a Beemer. That aside, the visceral appeal is that a 340i sprints 1/2 sec. quicker than the Acura, and odds are good the Acura handles & corners significantly better than the Beemer.
I almost prefer the styling of the B8/8.5 cars to the newer ones. I've got a 2010 and I put a set of 19 inch S5 peelers and it just looks meatier somehow.
You didn't have the transmission in sport :( - My thoughts as an S4 owner. I just bought mine, fully optioned, sport resonator exhaust, everything. I love everything about this car. I had an M240i before this drove my dads TLX. Let me tell you, this car is built nicer inside and out, has better technology, more comfortable than both, lacks a bit of character that the M240i (I know, its a VERY different car) had, but that was all fixed by having it tuned by the Audi dealer I bought the car from (Come on, how COOL is that?), it brought back out MOST of that character. The headlights, taillights, B&O sound system, all of that is better than its competitors. I drove an m340i, loved it, but ultimately chose this because of the far nicer interior. I respect your opinion, and your review was great as always, but I think the S4, (Albeit, optioned out and with a tune) is on a different level than the Acura and the M340i. Don't get me wrong, the m340i is great, but Acura build quality is definitely a little cheap (I mean, it looks stunning, I'll be the first to admit) compared to the germans. The TLX is just an acura/honda, kind of like how a genesis is just a Hyundai. The Audi brand has "prestige" that the other brands just don't have.
What you're saying may have been true in 2016 but the new TLX Type S model is different. I'm sure your car is great but don't come to a conclusion on a car you haven't driven yet.
I dont know what acura was thinking. How do you have this car at your press event and its more powerful than your vehicle. Like do you not test this car side by side to see how it stacks up. I just looked at a drag race and the s4 demolished the type s with no modification, both stock.. I was super disappointed and I actually own the 2021 tlx apec.
I was pretty set on getting a 18 S4 for my next car but now I'm thinking maybe I should wait another year so and get a TLS Type S instead since my Accord still runs great.
I would of I were you. Ive had pretty much every car in the class (c300, 340i, 2017 a4, and now 2020 tlx a spec). While I haven't driven the type s I can say that the tlx is a better car. Interior is more comfortable, feels more sporty on the daily, and if Acura engineering is to continue the way it has, it should get you many trouble free miles
@@colelockridge5816 what did you think of the 340i? I'm also considering one of those those but was leaning towards the Audi because I like the interior better and Audi offers Android Auto.
The fact that acura had s4s ready for ppl to see it's not as good as the type S shows how confident Acura is. The type S will be something special for sure
Not at all. Of all the cars competing in the segment they brought the oldest, the least powerful FWD based car. The current leader is M340. Where is it? Where is G70?
@@SBM200612 not at all what exactly? I never said it was the best in the class I just said it will be something special. The s4 still holds a big part of the market
@@jamaul67 Acura is not confident in TLX-S at all. Actually it is the opposite. Acura knows well that their best effort still cannot compete wit the leaders of the class, so they brought the weakest competitor they could find.
ha, love all the comments from people shitting on the tlx-s without having driven one yet; it seems they ignored all the reviews of the car and went straight to hating it. like the g70, the tlx-s is a great value proposition, and having more choices in this segment benefits everyone - it seems counterproductive to complain about it, but then again, whining is counterproductive.
@@flandrescarlet486 explain? G70/stinger will smoke type S and have way better dynamics being a true rwd architecture. Acura can try to hide the fwd architecture all they want wit torque vectoring diff but it won’t work. The type S is 4200 lbs very nose heavy n will always understeer at the limit. Type S is slowest in class lol. It will never have the balance of a real rwd architecture sport sedan.
@@flandrescarlet486 Exactly. The G70 and stinger dynamics are ahead of the S4 and TLX. No matter how you gussy them up, they’re still front-heavy FWD based cars.
Acura fan here but out the gate this S4 looks like it feels more sportier than the TLX , nice exhaust noise. And weighing in at 3800 lbs vs TLX 4300lbs. TLX is over styled inside and out. Wish it could have been designed in Japan.
Yeah, unfortunately The Topher did very bad job with this review... pretty subjective Japanese biased and misinformed. Audi also has a dynamic steering options which adds sharpness and feedback
Nah, I had a TLX, I just got a fully optioned S4 and it's way better, I even was able to get it tuned by the dealer. 3.5s 0-60. The interior is on a different level, massaging seats, virtual cockpit, better build quality, totally worth the more expensive price tag over the TLX
@@Hunterdietzman good for you for me it's not that interesting anymore Even the last gen model was a lot cooler with the supercharged V6 and an optional 6-speed manual
@@basithph8958 Fair enough, not as quick, I had an A6 with the supercharged v6, and it was pretty cool! The thing is that a lot of reviewers forget is this segment is about more than just the driving dynamics, if that's what we cared about we'd buy a cayman or an M2 (actually almost bought one instead because I loved how it drove, and the fact that a brand new M2 comp was actually cheaper) but the sport sedan segment is about luxury, features, etc AS WELL AS dynamics. That
You should review the Mercedes AMG C43. It's also a competitor to all these M340i, S4, Acura TLX and others in this category. That is by far my favorite in terms of design, luxuriousness, sound, drive, performance and handling.
Acura FTW! I’m still driving mine with 260k+ miles and going strong 💪. Reliability is the key to ownership. Looking forward to owning a TLX Type S soon. 😍 Thanks for your honest review, love the channel. ✊
@@uhhuhhuh8345 oh yeah, it has the same transmission as my 2009 G37x lmao I forgot about that. I mean its not terrible, but for a special performance model you'd expect a manual or something better then the regular torque converter as the base model car. Man Nissan wasted so much potential with that car
S4 crushes Type S on the track 0-60 and 1/4mile times, look them up on the tube. Another bigger TH-cam reviewer also said the vehicle dynamics of the Type S leave a lot to be desired in comparison to its german competition like the S4.
Exactly, the worst review from The Topher I've ever seen. So subjective and misinformed. All the bs about not sharp, the transmission is slow, nose heavy, no feedback, auto upshifting... so so disappointed. All that is not true. Audi has sports package and also dynamic steering options which solve the sharpness and feedback issues and also is 3850 lbs vs 4200 lbs on the Type S. Such a bad, lazy and misinformed review. Totally disappointed as I usually really like his reviews
Been researching the different area models of the s4 and related. I have not been able to actually drive a DCT or 8 speed Tiptronic but I’m going through your videos I got a pretty good feel for both from your S7 video and from this one. I do not like the shifts in the Tiptronic; I think the DCT is far superior. Thanks for your good driving videos one of the few videos where I was really able to judge how well the cars shift. Lots of people review cars very few know how. So it will be either a six speed manual or a seven speed DCT for me. I will be going out to drive one of the DCTs soon. I currently have an Audi 2.7T with a six speed manual and I don’t know if I can go to any kind of an automatic but the DCT is the only possibility.
It is, don't get misinformed by this Japanese biased review. Audi even offers dynamic steering option and sport package with adaptive suspension. Oh yeah, and the Audi S4 is 3850 lbs, the Acura TLX Type S is 4200 lbs - let that sink
I’d daily drive the S4 but in a hypothetical world cuz I keep my cars past 200k hopefully the Acura tlx will keep tradition but Sam that Audi interior is so business class it’s gorgeous. The tlx is more modernly attractive I think the Audi is classic and modern
Fan of both brands. Acura has really stepped up there game. Their SH awd is light years ahead of what it use to be but, Audi has really perfected this recipe in the finer details mechanically, fit/finishes and, nvh.
I think it´s crazy how a manufacturer brings rival models from other brands to their own car launch to give journalists something to compare to. It seems to be quite common in the US. Almost feels like "heres our great new car, and we give you the opportunity to drive its competitors to see how bad they are in comparison".
Thats because Acura has to try and convince people that they are somehow equal with any German import. Anyone who's driven both know this is not the case.
Did you drive B8.5 s5 supercharged with a manual ? I want to get that one in the near future, but still wasnt able to drive it. Im worried it would feel like a boat and understeer like you said.
Now from your comment that can mean either thing But let me clear it up for you Acura , is on a much higher superior level then AUDI in many many ways and terms. To be honest Acura , Lexus and Porsche have winning and reliable platforms out of almost all the car brands you can throw at it.
@@sbfhawk4343 you do know that Porsche and Audi share platforms right? How is Acura superior? Look at their line up. It's ok though, we're clearly a different demographic. Don't need to justify your purchase. Acuras are fine but to me I don't cross shop an Audi and an Acura.
@@MarcYanOfficial Porsche shares non Essentials like a window locks, Upper Plastic housing for the vanity lights. Lower control arms , and some other non Mechanical items that do not include the heart and soul of the vehicle. Like pistons , Transmissions, valves, Retainers, Springs, Crankshafts , pistons, Rods yeah all the stuff that breaks on AUDIS Porsche dumped all those out. Get it its a Porsche thru and thru.
The RS3 shares its platform with the Golf, it's not even on the MLB Audi-exclusive platform. Much rather have an RS4/5/6/7. Edit: it also doesn't have real Quattro like the other ones I mentioned
@@persiashahdi5215 Real Quattro don't mean shit when the car is an isolated snooze. If you enjoy driving, get the MQB car. If you just want to soak up miles at-speed, get the MLB car.
@@vomErsten If you enjoy having a rebadged VW get the MQB car. That's what you meant right? Or you think cars like the RS6/RS7 aren't as good to drive as a Golf R with a turbo 5-cyl swapped in it?
This shows how strong the sport sedan class is right now. The S4 isn't as sporty as it was a few years ago and suddenly the Genesis G70 is a real contender. I seldom hear mention of the CT5-V and Red Sport in this conversation at all.
@@space.4337 bmw cannot build a 4 cylinder to save their lives, and their 6 cyls love to leak oil. Audi supercharged engines also burn oil but not as bad. The vw/audi 4 cylinder is significantly better than the mini cooper/bmw 4 cylinder
I really want to like the Type-S, but 4200lbs, no variable valve lift. 25mpg/hwy and the engine bay doesn't look as nice. Which is something i usually don't care for. Can't wait till someone puts one on a lift to see the set up better maybe it'll change my mind. Big fan of the Tiger Eye color.
@@drivescene6747 I prefer the G70 over those two and thats 3887lbs. Even though the stinger is pretty much the same as a G70. Im not a fan of its looks. The S5 sportback should be closer to the S4 in weight I believe but the front endof the S5 just isnt the same or as nice as the S4 imo.
@@Jayojair I guess everyone has their preference, I think the S5 sportback looks way sexier than the S4 and that’s what I would get if I was buying an Audi I this segment.
@@drivescene6747 I will only take an S5 over an S4 if its Sonoma green. Otherwise its the rear seats that aren't all that comfortable, compared to an S4. Great trunk space though.
does it have the new dynamic handling package equipped from audi? from my understanding based on previous reviews, in seems to help a lot in terms of dynamics and steering feel
Exactly... and also the S4 is 3850 lbs vs TLX Type 4200 lbs... that was definitely the worst, most subjective Japanese biased and misinformed review from The Topher I've ever seen. I'll keep it mind from now on
The MQB-based A3 and TT series cars drive way better than the MLB-based A4/5/6/7 cars. Sharper edges and overall more engaging without giving up stability or overall comfort. They won't, but they should go back and reassess the softness of the middle-sized cars.
transversely mounted engine in Audi is FWD biased. You obviously are biased to the TLX type S. the only thing better in the TLX is the double wishbone fnt suspension. The Audi engine and drive train (8 speed Tiptronic, which is a ZF trans) is better, it weighs about 400 pounds less, has a true and tried AWD system that is designed to take a beating. I had SH-AWD that exploded the rear diff while rear wheels were spinning at about 40mph trying to get out of snow when the wheel hit dry street, which led to the rear diff being totally destroyed. Audi tests Quattro to be at full power in full slip and slam right onto dry pavement without anything breaking. Of course, this is all being looked at from the fact that the TLX is $55k to start, which is pretty expensive for a fat pig.
@@Mountain413 I can agree that the S4 is the least dynamic of the three Germans, but I'm surprised how lukewarm he felt about it. They could tweak alignment, tire pressures, etc. so the type-s seems more competitive. I'm not saying they did, and I'd like to think they're more ethical than that, but agian... tinfoil hat is on.
@@drivescene6747 I gotta disagree with u friend lol. But hey, Acura has allowed all this to happen. Everyone has assumptions, conspiracies, doubts, questions, etc because we still do not know what we should know about the Type S. It's performance numbers. Someone needs to get both cars out on the road or track like in the next hour so the rumors can be put to rest lol.
@@mutualdecline2174 I can understand that. And I agree with you, another journalist should put the Type S through their performance testing, we still don’t have an official 0-60 nor a 1/4 mile time which is ridiculous considering the car is going on sale next month, typical Acura crappy marketing.
The Audi is blanding out now sort of like washing out of the line. The TLX handles superbly and gives you that edge confidence driving at much higher speeds that just stick you to the pavement. It has the ability to keep you planted well into the turns and sharp. The TLX with a few mods is already in range of eclipsing the M3 and M4 competizione with out the XWD that you need to be faster in the M3. To me that smells like a winner not to mention price and looks plus Reliability to go with it something that AUDI and BMW do not still understand or comprehend RELIABILITY. The only crown they had was performance but it looks like the Accords and the TLX are going to take away that crown too. So Yeah BMW you go down the line in terms of value.
might be ages old but the tech is still years ahead of the Acura. Just look at the reverse cam at 10:20, it is way better than even the advanced TLX 360 cam, and the Type S doesn't even get the 360 cam in USA. Digital dash, hud option, proper shifter no stupid push buttons, touch screen. Acura can learn a lot from the Audi still and I say that as a Acura fan
this is the b9.5 generation and honestly ive been living with a 2019 b9 s4 prestige for the last 6 months and prefer it way more than the b9.5 not a fan of the new wheel or exterior styling
idk i drive a zf8speed and that just seems like such a delay at this point in time. zf shifts right as the paddle is getting relesaed. Thats like a .5 second delay at least after he releases the paddle. and thats a base 430i
A few more thoughts on this S4 - I haven't spent a lot of time in the B9 generation, but drove a lot of B8 S4s in their manual and 7-speed S tronic iterations. This newer S4 feels more like an S6 to me; it's an ultra refined, comfortable, fast sport sedan. It was really planted, but it lacked the sharpness and fun-to-drive character of the previous generation. It's an interesting trade-off especially when you compare it to the TLS Type S and BMW M340i, both of which are a lot of fun to drive. It's fine, because it's probably what Audi customers want - just interesting to see the shift in focus.
Even my mom went for the 330i over the A4 since the Audi wasn't sporty enough for her. As you said, it was extremely comfortable and nice, but sporty it was not.
Did your tester come equipped with the S Sport Package, with the sport differential? The reason I ask - with that option, understeer should be very minimal, with the exception taking it on a race track and really pushing it into a corner.
Audi customer here: it's definitely not what I want. I think it's more what VAG wants for us, to try and get us into a Porsche instead.
Please drive the new 2022 g70 3.3t and compare the m340i and type s
@@GregDZ33 Yes this car he was driving does have it ... He mentions it at roughly 0:26
I kinda miss the supercharged audi s4. Had a lot of character. I reviewed one that ran a 10.1 and set the record for fastest stock blower. Really fun cars.
Agreed! Eli @IgnitionTube had a killer example.
I wanna buy one are they reliable? IM a VW owner but only know the TSI really
@@jamesclayton4378 haven't owned one myself so i can't say
Oh yes. Loved my ‘13 S4. Definitely more fun than my current S8 daily driver. Sure, the 8 is faster in a straight line but less engaging.
@@rbassdo my man is dailying an absolute monster. Respect sir.
I just bought a fully loaded 23’ S4 with sound enhancing exhaust and I absolutely love it. I test drove the M340i which did have superior steering but the fact that I could get the S4 for about $10,000 less (Canadian) was a no brainer for me, had just as much fun in dynamic mode than the BMW and with the exhaust package, the Audi actually takes the cake in the sound department.. it’s a must on the options list
How is your S4 holding up?
@@NonVerba-v3f no issues 6 months in - still enjoying it very much!
@@ferrrariscuderia111 Glad you're enjoying it! I got my '23 in May, approximately 8,300 kms on it. Do you push yours hard?
@@NonVerba-v3f I redline it every time I drive LOL (after the first 1500km of course)
The car is way better at higher RPMs I find, especially once you pass 60mph/ 100kmh
Driving in S transmission and Dynamic mode is the optimal performance experience. Remember, to go into S before you switch to manual mode- I notice a different in pops and burbles
@@ferrrariscuderia111 Ha! Absolutely I've tried it once or twice ;) Only problem is there isn't enough room to truly push it in Toronto traffic. What do you think about the oil change intervals? I believe Audi's 1 year or 15,000km is too long. I'm going to change it early.
I just recently picked up a 2021 Audi S4 Prestige. Absolutely love it coming from a Jetta GLI its similar in ways but far better.
It should do things far better for 20k+ more...
@@j-schleezy4754 yeah performance wise I agree but it’s also an Audi with every feature imaginable
@@j-schleezy4754 But it's not 20K more, and it never was. At the time of this video the S4 started 8K cheaper than a TLX type-S. And my optioned out S4(sport diff/adaptive suspension, B&O sound, Nappa leather, ect) was 63MSRP and I paid 59K for it, 2K more than a base TLX-Type S. For the faster, nicer, actually rear bias car.
I've driven Audi S4s since the early 2000s, when they had 2.7TT V6, V8, S/C V6 and now back to turbos. S4 has always been very nose heavy and fast in a straight line. If you think this one is like nose heavy and understeers drive the V8 and older versions before they had the sport diff, lol. They are great all weather fast autobahn/daily cars. Type S sounds like a more neutral setup and handling focused, I think I'm liking both.
The nose heavy S4 V8 50/50 Quattro(prior to 40/60 & prior to the sport diff) still beat the M3 of the time around the top gear track. M3 had a better 0-60 though, interestingly enough.
I love all the crying about nose heavy Audi. Learn how to drive an AWD platform and you’ll be more than fine even at 9/10 on a track.
Pretty way off my friend - don't get misinformed by this Japanese biased review.
Audi offers dynamic steering option and sport package with adaptive suspension.
Oh yeah, and the Audi S4 is 3850 lbs, the Acura TLX Type S is 4200 lbs - let that sink.
So yeah, nose heavy, cmon...
The S4 is something I would daily drive
i have it i had and Infiniti and BMW before this is by far my favourite
@@aidangraham4727 as much as I also favor in Infiniti’s segment that’s rare to hear someone say considering it’s always thought to be at the bottom of the competition. Why do you think so out of curiosity?
@@aznghost9608 what he literally just said the Audi was his favorite
@@aidangraham4727 Agreed, Audi excells at quality which is high on my list for a daily. My last few BMW's have had numerous squeaks and rattles
It'd be in the shop daily
Stage 1 ECU remap, Eventuri Intake, Decat downpipe and this beauty of an S4 becomes 450hp, same as the RS4 but quicker 0-60 by about 0.2 seconds.
I just love Audi's cars.
Just bought a 2018 CPO S4 and I love it. Like the new head & tail lights that the ‘20+ offer but prefer the older steering wheel design
Thats exactly what i thought. This steering wheel looks terrible
Do u still have it, how's maintenance
This car looked good until 2019. Don't know what they did with those new head lights and tail lights. I can't be the only one who thinks that.
Totally agree, it looked much better before.
Couldn’t agree more!
Agreed!
It's not the lighting elements that do it in for me, instead it's the erasure of the shoulder character line and the fact that MY21 only offers the ugly Q5 steering wheel. Where's the flat-bottom!?
I agree, the new design looks overcomplicated and doesn't match the simplicity of the body.
Drive them both on the Autobahn at high speed and then ask the question again when you realize the Acura has the refinement and high speed stability and composure of an A4 from 2 generations ago. :)
I love the way Audis take off a stop - with massive torqueiness, but still gentle. And the broad torque range makes cruising and passing so relaxing and fun. My tuned 2018 A4 , had the best throttle sensitivity I can wish for. I have since tried everything to tune my BMW 330i, but it doesn't quite come close to the Audis smootheness and response, so I will hopefully be able to buy an S4 soon.
Audi's have a noticeable delay off the line and only start moving after a noticeable pause if you floor the gas pedal. I recently compared the new 330i and A4, and the throttle sensitivity is far more aggressive and sporty in the BMW (especially in Sport).
@@DMCarReviews Untuned I thought the A4 and 330i were very close. I prefer the 330i suspension . However, my tuned A4 was unquestionably quicker. Tuned 330i's tend to do 60 in about 5 seconds flat, on a very good launch - even with a custom tune, while a basic Unitronic/APR off-the-shelf tune will guarantee 4.6 s , 0-60 in the AUdi A4, all day long, (and you can easily stage 2, for 4.2 s 0-60 times in the Audi).... .4 seconds may not seem like a lot, but when you combine that with better low end response (thanks to the lower compression E888 engine), the Audi feels much much quicker in daily and spirited driving. Virtually no car (even pricier cars) have the smooth and rushed power like a tuned A4, except electric cars. The dual-clutch helps transfer between gears seamlessly and 9.7 : 1 compression gives you safe power at 2K RPM - at 95 MPH. In contrast, the higher powerband, in the 330i also does not match well with the 330i 8hp51 transmission.
@ You can watch my 330i review. I did 5.0s 0-60 by Dragy in stock form. A tune should get you to low 4s with ease! The 330i has excellent low end and the gearbox is a beast. It's a way more fun to drive car, in my opinion.
There's a surprising amount of lag on manual upshifts and downshifts compared to the M340i you drove. Between that and how much more dynamic the xDrive felt in the M340i, I'm glad I chose it over the S4.
I agree, this transmission has noticeable lag just from watching the video. I’m sure it’s horrible when actually driving
I really wish they hadn’t made the bottom portion of the front fascia so ugly. The rest of the car looks great. Overall, I prefer the looks of the B8.5.
It kills the Type S in all head to head testing.
The Acura kills it in EVERYTHING except for maybe when it comes to stop light to stop light racing 🤷♂️
And Acura kills it innevery other aspect beside speed.
@@VeyroneR On what planet? The Acura is bigger than an A6, has the interior volume of an A3. Gets worse mileage, is slower. Has the high speed stability of a last generation A4. Worse infotainment, Of course is slower, has a craptastic transmission, and issues with cutting power while the wheel is turned to far. Not to mention; Acura/honda has been blowing it with reliability. It's not 1999 with K series engines anymore. Every turbo engine Honda has put out has had issues with oil burning and piston blow by. They still can't figure out how to make an automatic transmission that dose not explode in 80K miles. I fled to lexus after my last two Acuras, that I bought brand new. needed transmissions before 80K miles.
@@tylershubert5087 its not just my opinion. Look at reviews and how many put it in front of Audi. Look the review from STIG he Said TLX in his opinion is Better than Audi and BMW and on par with Mercedes after testing them all.
Ur probably American? How many Audi's u even drove ? Im from EU im driving them my whole life.
I’d take the S5 sportback
yeah same
Yeah that's really nice, I wanted the type s but that S4 hatchback is definitely calling me
I already miss analog gauges.
Compared to this virtual cockpit? Really? I don't miss the analog gauges that my m240i had at all, in fact that was my one gripe about the car, was the instrument cluster. Audi VC is amazing, and you can't really appreciate it unless you've actually seen it and experienced it in person.
@@Hunterdietzman I like the VC in my S5 cabriolet but analog gauges have a certain beautiful simplicity to them and reliability.
same i bought a 2021wrx because its still a manual and still has analog gauges.
@@Cichlid_Visuals I could never buy a WRX, my friend has one (base model mind you) and it just feels so cheap, but it’s base model, once again, so maybe with options it is nicer
i believe the tlx-s still has them.
This is the exact comparison I’ve been waiting for! I can’t wait for your thoughts on it.
Would have this Audi over the TLX any day!!
Why did Acura only bring the S4? Are they scared to bring other competitors? Shit when the stinger came out they brought a Porsche Panamera bmw 440i gran coupe Audi S5 sportback. They weren’t scared. Acura should have brought a c43 m340i g70 ct5v maybe stinger.......
The s4 is a direct comparison. Fwd design with a sophisticated awd system. Even though the 2022 has Quattro standard.
@@MelloHubb This car is a lot smaller than a TLX, it’s not a perfectly direct comparison. The TLX is midsized, this is compact
@@MelloHubb that doesn’t mean diddlysquat. Acura even said c43 and m340i are main competition to type S. The s4 has a longitudinally mounted motor type S has transverse. But it really doesn’t matter type S is is the sport sedan segment it’s there fault they have a FWD platform. The Audi still has a rwd platform. The base A4 doesn’t count. Every A4/s4 with Quattro has a rwd bias Awd system. I think they were scared to have other competition there. Plus the s4 is the oldest platform out of all the class. New S4 should come out next year. If it’s slower then competition oh well but atleast show your not scared of competition. They won’t even mention the g70/stinger because they are cheaper then type S all while having more performance.
@@MelloHubb The S4 is rear-biased. The TLX-S is front-biased. Only standard A4s with the 4-pot are front-biased because they have an entirely different arrangement for the running gear.
@@Tsand4 lmao they even compared a base model 2.0T Q7 to fully spec out MDX, because they know MDX has no chance against 3.0T
Your videos have been just amazing
Funny how they didn't bring the 340i for comparison. But still, the Acura has a better value proposition than the Germans. TLX-S can be off the lot for 54k with negotiations and stuff... As always, if you want to keep the car longterm, get the Acura. Lease? Get the 340i...
Yes but the Acura is ugly
Lucas, I see it as beautiful...typical of sharp, spartan & classic lines. Audis & Acuras are designs that age well. Except Audi’s don’t last as long...the German unreliability factor.
@@Lucas-ix5td looks are subjective. your money your decision. im getting a Type S though. i think it looks awesome and the drivetrain will last 3x longer with forged internals and a beefier tranny. Type S is way better for the money hands down. Forged Crank, Rods, 6 bolt Main. reinforced 10speed auto. this engine will be making way more "Reliable power."
@Ryan Gromoll, There are factors that moderate the significance of manufacturer price point though. Most luxury German autos are leased...few eat the elephant in one bite. And BMW offers extended service coverage, further sweetening the deal. Savvy consumers negotiate-down a purchase price and then either shop their financing, or buy outright. High quality, reliable vehicles (e.g., top tier Asian machines) can factor heavily in buying decisions where total cost of ownership is considered and where one keeps a car for the long haul. It’s untrue then that the differential in the manufactures’ prices between two cars is always preeminent. Comparing the TLX-S vs. BMW 340i is a case where the long term cost of ownership is more heavily in Acura’s favor than first meets the eye...a Honda costs substantially less to operate & service than a Beemer. That aside, the visceral appeal is that a 340i sprints 1/2 sec. quicker than the Acura, and odds are good the Acura handles & corners significantly better than the Beemer.
My 2014 S4 is my most prized possession.
I almost prefer the styling of the B8/8.5 cars to the newer ones. I've got a 2010 and I put a set of 19 inch S5 peelers and it just looks meatier somehow.
You didn't have the transmission in sport :( - My thoughts as an S4 owner. I just bought mine, fully optioned, sport resonator exhaust, everything. I love everything about this car. I had an M240i before this drove my dads TLX. Let me tell you, this car is built nicer inside and out, has better technology, more comfortable than both, lacks a bit of character that the M240i (I know, its a VERY different car) had, but that was all fixed by having it tuned by the Audi dealer I bought the car from (Come on, how COOL is that?), it brought back out MOST of that character. The headlights, taillights, B&O sound system, all of that is better than its competitors. I drove an m340i, loved it, but ultimately chose this because of the far nicer interior.
I respect your opinion, and your review was great as always, but I think the S4, (Albeit, optioned out and with a tune) is on a different level than the Acura and the M340i. Don't get me wrong, the m340i is great, but Acura build quality is definitely a little cheap (I mean, it looks stunning, I'll be the first to admit) compared to the germans. The TLX is just an acura/honda, kind of like how a genesis is just a Hyundai. The Audi brand has "prestige" that the other brands just don't have.
What you're saying may have been true in 2016 but the new TLX Type S model is different. I'm sure your car is great but don't come to a conclusion on a car you haven't driven yet.
I dont know what acura was thinking. How do you have this car at your press event and its more powerful than your vehicle. Like do you not test this car side by side to see how it stacks up. I just looked at a drag race and the s4 demolished the type s with no modification, both stock.. I was super disappointed and I actually own the 2021 tlx apec.
I was pretty set on getting a 18 S4 for my next car but now I'm thinking maybe I should wait another year so and get a TLS Type S instead since my Accord still runs great.
I would of I were you. Ive had pretty much every car in the class (c300, 340i, 2017 a4, and now 2020 tlx a spec). While I haven't driven the type s I can say that the tlx is a better car. Interior is more comfortable, feels more sporty on the daily, and if Acura engineering is to continue the way it has, it should get you many trouble free miles
@@colelockridge5816 what did you think of the 340i? I'm also considering one of those those but was leaning towards the Audi because I like the interior better and Audi offers Android Auto.
@@DJMotoVlogs loved it. B58 is a solid powerplant and 8 speed auto was best transmission I've ever owned. Mind was a lease or I would have kept it
Nice video on the Audi's. Have to love those cars they look so nice!
The fact that acura had s4s ready for ppl to see it's not as good as the type S shows how confident Acura is. The type S will be something special for sure
Not at all. Of all the cars competing in the segment they brought the oldest, the least powerful FWD based car. The current leader is M340. Where is it? Where is G70?
@@SBM200612 not at all what exactly? I never said it was the best in the class I just said it will be something special. The s4 still holds a big part of the market
@@jamaul67 Acura is not confident in TLX-S at all. Actually it is the opposite. Acura knows well that their best effort still cannot compete wit the leaders of the class, so they brought the weakest competitor they could find.
@@SBM200612 lol ok man whatever you say
I think the Type S has been a dud. I live in a big city and haven’t seen 1 on the streets since it came out. I see all the German competition though.
They need to bring back the manuals to give it more excitement.
ha, love all the comments from people shitting on the tlx-s without having driven one yet; it seems they ignored all the reviews of the car and went straight to hating it. like the g70, the tlx-s is a great value proposition, and having more choices in this segment benefits everyone - it seems counterproductive to complain about it, but then again, whining is counterproductive.
Sucks they got rid of the flat bottom steering wheel.
Yep Audi are phasing them out
The S4 is a beast for what it is but all in all the TLX-Type S is the king for any new sports car under $60k.
😂😂 Genesis g70/ Kia stinger hold my beer.....
@@Tsand4 not even close
@@flandrescarlet486 explain? G70/stinger will smoke type S and have way better dynamics being a true rwd architecture. Acura can try to hide the fwd architecture all they want wit torque vectoring diff but it won’t work. The type S is 4200 lbs very nose heavy n will always understeer at the limit. Type S is slowest in class lol. It will never have the balance of a real rwd architecture sport sedan.
@@flandrescarlet486 Exactly. The G70 and stinger dynamics are ahead of the S4 and TLX. No matter how you gussy them up, they’re still front-heavy FWD based cars.
@@flandrescarlet486 why? because they’re not Japanese? JDM fanboys need to open their eyes and realize that other options exist
Acura fan here but out the gate this S4 looks like it feels more sportier than the TLX , nice exhaust noise. And weighing in at 3800 lbs vs TLX 4300lbs. TLX is over styled inside and out. Wish it could have been designed in Japan.
Yeah, unfortunately The Topher did very bad job with this review... pretty subjective Japanese biased and misinformed.
Audi also has a dynamic steering options which adds sharpness and feedback
The S4 is nice but I would get the TLX-S instead
Nah, I had a TLX, I just got a fully optioned S4 and it's way better, I even was able to get it tuned by the dealer. 3.5s 0-60. The interior is on a different level, massaging seats, virtual cockpit, better build quality, totally worth the more expensive price tag over the TLX
Lets see how long turbos gonna last on s4
@@Hunterdietzman good for you for me it's not that interesting anymore
Even the last gen model was a lot cooler with the supercharged V6 and an optional 6-speed manual
@@basithph8958 Fair enough, not as quick, I had an A6 with the supercharged v6, and it was pretty cool! The thing is that a lot of reviewers forget is this segment is about more than just the driving dynamics, if that's what we cared about we'd buy a cayman or an M2 (actually almost bought one instead because I loved how it drove, and the fact that a brand new M2 comp was actually cheaper) but the sport sedan segment is about luxury, features, etc AS WELL AS dynamics. That
@@Hunterdietzman you're comparing your audi to a older tlx. This new generation tlx is a totally different vehicle especially in the type s trim
You should review the Mercedes AMG C43. It's also a competitor to all these M340i, S4, Acura TLX and others in this category. That is by far my favorite in terms of design, luxuriousness, sound, drive, performance and handling.
Acura FTW! I’m still driving mine with 260k+ miles and going strong 💪. Reliability is the key to ownership. Looking forward to owning a TLX Type S soon. 😍 Thanks for your honest review, love the channel. ✊
HEHE...same here I already put my deposit in.
The Audi RS3 is the way to go
5-cylinder for the win!
No flat bottom steering wheel?
It was discontinued for 2021 when they made the heated steering wheel standard equipment.
@@cjmhall Gross, do not want.
so its M340i>TLX Type S>S4, where does the Mercedes and the Q50 Red Sport fall in this segment?
Not even in the conversation, lol.
Red sport literally not close to any of its competitors
@@uhhuhhuh8345 what is the main complaint of the Infiniti other then the steering
@@dsong2006 it’s a damn antique starting with its transmission
@@uhhuhhuh8345 oh yeah, it has the same transmission as my 2009 G37x lmao I forgot about that. I mean its not terrible, but for a special performance model you'd expect a manual or something better then the regular torque converter as the base model car. Man Nissan wasted so much potential with that car
This is my dream car
Its roaring sound is like WOW amazing
I think the S4 is a really nice lowkey daily where you can still have a lot of fun. Now the $50k range sport sedan has a lot to choose
S4 still faster
@hon solo of course you do🤡
That v6 sounds amazing in this thing!
"Pops between shifts" Just like my 2021 Veloster n DCT! Thanks for the great video!
S4 crushes Type S on the track 0-60 and 1/4mile times, look them up on the tube. Another bigger TH-cam reviewer also said the vehicle dynamics of the Type S leave a lot to be desired in comparison to its german competition like the S4.
Exactly, the worst review from The Topher I've ever seen.
So subjective and misinformed.
All the bs about not sharp, the transmission is slow, nose heavy, no feedback, auto upshifting... so so disappointed. All that is not true.
Audi has sports package and also dynamic steering options which solve the sharpness and feedback issues and also is 3850 lbs vs 4200 lbs on the Type S.
Such a bad, lazy and misinformed review.
Totally disappointed as I usually really like his reviews
Been researching the different area models of the s4 and related. I have not been able to actually drive a DCT or 8 speed Tiptronic but I’m going through your videos I got a pretty good feel for both from your S7 video and from this one. I do not like the shifts in the Tiptronic; I think the DCT is far superior. Thanks for your good driving videos one of the few videos where I was really able to judge how well the cars shift. Lots of people review cars very few know how. So it will be either a six speed manual or a seven speed DCT for me. I will be going out to drive one of the DCTs soon. I currently have an Audi 2.7T with a six speed manual and I don’t know if I can go to any kind of an automatic but the DCT is the only possibility.
Much difference between this and the S5? Seems like the same powertrain...
Nice S4! Fun Enjoy Driving~~
This car looks amazing!
I wished you had time to spend in an s5 sportback but this is the closest we'll get
Would like to see how the Genesis g70 compares to both the Audi and the Acura.
It looks good, it sounds good and it's a nice size. I do wish it were sharper and a little harder edged in terms of chassis dynamics though.
It is, don't get misinformed by this Japanese biased review.
Audi even offers dynamic steering option and sport package with adaptive suspension.
Oh yeah, and the Audi S4 is 3850 lbs, the Acura TLX Type S is 4200 lbs - let that sink
I love your videos
I’d daily drive the S4 but in a hypothetical world cuz I keep my cars past 200k hopefully the Acura tlx will keep tradition but Sam that Audi interior is so business class it’s gorgeous. The tlx is more modernly attractive I think the Audi is classic and modern
Would you say that the M340i provides an overall better driving experience than this?
Would you take a Lexus Is350 over this?
Fan of both brands. Acura has really stepped up there game. Their SH awd is light years ahead of what it use to be but, Audi has really perfected this recipe in the finer details mechanically, fit/finishes and, nvh.
I think it´s crazy how a manufacturer brings rival models from other brands to their own car launch to give journalists something to compare to. It seems to be quite common in the US. Almost feels like "heres our great new car, and we give you the opportunity to drive its competitors to see how bad they are in comparison".
I think that’s actually pretty great. It means the manufacturer has confidence in their own product over the competitor.
Some Audi fans think different since the S4 doesn't do very good against the Type S
Thats because Acura has to try and convince people that they are somehow equal with any German import. Anyone who's driven both know this is not the case.
@@drivescene6747 agreed
Price As tested ?
What about the G70?
How about a 2022 G70 ???
Would you ever do a golf R review?
Did you drive B8.5 s5 supercharged with a manual ? I want to get that one in the near future, but still wasnt able to drive it. Im worried it would feel like a boat and understeer like you said.
This is model beginning to show it's age the interior is still great and I bet the gloss black is coming for the next gen
What gets me is that it isn't even that old (2017), but it felt positively ancient as soon as the new 3er was revealed.
I personally don't view Acura and Audi on the same level.
Now from your comment that can mean either thing But let me clear it up for you Acura , is on a much higher superior level then AUDI in many many ways and terms. To be honest Acura , Lexus and Porsche have winning and reliable platforms out of almost all the car brands you can throw at it.
@@sbfhawk4343 you do know that Porsche and Audi share platforms right?
How is Acura superior? Look at their line up. It's ok though, we're clearly a different demographic. Don't need to justify your purchase. Acuras are fine but to me I don't cross shop an Audi and an Acura.
@@MarcYanOfficial Porsche shares non Essentials like a window locks, Upper Plastic housing for the vanity lights. Lower control arms , and some other non Mechanical items that do not include the heart and soul of the vehicle. Like pistons , Transmissions, valves, Retainers, Springs, Crankshafts , pistons, Rods yeah all the stuff that breaks on AUDIS Porsche dumped all those out. Get it its a Porsche thru and thru.
@@sbfhawk4343 how come the Macan S and the Sq5 share a motor?
Type S is easily the better choice 🔥 Want audi? Get the RS3
The RS3 shares its platform with the Golf, it's not even on the MLB Audi-exclusive platform. Much rather have an RS4/5/6/7. Edit: it also doesn't have real Quattro like the other ones I mentioned
@@persiashahdi5215 surely RS4/5/6 better but I was suggesting slightly lower price than those
@@persiashahdi5215 It's got that sweet I5 though
@@persiashahdi5215 Real Quattro don't mean shit when the car is an isolated snooze. If you enjoy driving, get the MQB car. If you just want to soak up miles at-speed, get the MLB car.
@@vomErsten If you enjoy having a rebadged VW get the MQB car. That's what you meant right? Or you think cars like the RS6/RS7 aren't as good to drive as a Golf R with a turbo 5-cyl swapped in it?
The S4 seems mediocre comparing to the TLX Type S and it's 10k more.. well done Acura bringing the Type S back!!
@@Nate-Aims it’s only heavy because it’s the size of an E class and 5 series.
This shows how strong the sport sedan class is right now. The S4 isn't as sporty as it was a few years ago and suddenly the Genesis G70 is a real contender.
I seldom hear mention of the CT5-V and Red Sport in this conversation at all.
Redsport is still fighting reliability issues and trans is horse crap. And the ct5 I guess has a lackluster trans eve though it's the famed 10 speed.
The Cadillac blackwing might catch ppl's attention but I agree
@@mutualdecline2174 blacking is a totally different class. 100k car lmao
@@IReahpZz Also bigger. Size-wise the CT4 is the better comparison, and the Blackwing pricing overlaps with the S4.
Between BMW & Audi which is considered reliable/better?
audi is considered more reliable but it depends on the specific models
@@-matt BMW 3-Series?
@@space.4337 bmw cannot build a 4 cylinder to save their lives, and their 6 cyls love to leak oil. Audi supercharged engines also burn oil but not as bad. The vw/audi 4 cylinder is significantly better than the mini cooper/bmw 4 cylinder
The response time on the paddles seems really disappointing.
I really want to like the Type-S, but 4200lbs, no variable valve lift. 25mpg/hwy and the engine bay doesn't look as nice. Which is something i usually don't care for. Can't wait till someone puts one on a lift to see the set up better maybe it'll change my mind. Big fan of the Tiger Eye color.
The Kia Stinger and the Audi S5 weigh over 4000lbs as well.
@@drivescene6747 I prefer the G70 over those two and thats 3887lbs. Even though the stinger is pretty much the same as a G70. Im not a fan of its looks. The S5 sportback should be closer to the S4 in weight I believe but the front endof the S5 just isnt the same or as nice as the S4 imo.
@@Jayojair I guess everyone has their preference, I think the S5 sportback looks way sexier than the S4 and that’s what I would get if I was buying an Audi I this segment.
@@drivescene6747 I will only take an S5 over an S4 if its Sonoma green. Otherwise its the rear seats that aren't all that comfortable, compared to an S4. Great trunk space though.
@@Jayojair agreed on the rear seats and trunk space, it doesn’t bother me, I’m not bringing more than one passenger lol
Laureles Grade Road - amazing road to wind a car out on. Carmel Valley's finest driving road
does it have the new dynamic handling package equipped from audi? from my understanding based on previous reviews, in seems to help a lot in terms of dynamics and steering feel
Exactly... and also the S4 is 3850 lbs vs TLX Type 4200 lbs... that was definitely the worst, most subjective Japanese biased and misinformed review from The Topher I've ever seen. I'll keep it mind from now on
wow the paddle response time is a huge lag
Why's the shifting seem so slow
TECH , PACKAGING, ETC IS ALL AROUND BETTER!
You should've switched the esc mode to sport!
the new cars are capable but doesn't speak to you.. no character , soulless but technology more advanced.
The MQB-based A3 and TT series cars drive way better than the MLB-based A4/5/6/7 cars. Sharper edges and overall more engaging without giving up stability or overall comfort. They won't, but they should go back and reassess the softness of the middle-sized cars.
Thx for telling the truth!
transversely mounted engine in Audi is FWD biased. You obviously are biased to the TLX type S. the only thing better in the TLX is the double wishbone fnt suspension. The Audi engine and drive train (8 speed Tiptronic, which is a ZF trans) is better, it weighs about 400 pounds less, has a true and tried AWD system that is designed to take a beating. I had SH-AWD that exploded the rear diff while rear wheels were spinning at about 40mph trying to get out of snow when the wheel hit dry street, which led to the rear diff being totally destroyed. Audi tests Quattro to be at full power in full slip and slam right onto dry pavement without anything breaking. Of course, this is all being looked at from the fact that the TLX is $55k to start, which is pretty expensive for a fat pig.
Putting on my tinfoil hat... was the S4 provided by Acura?
It has manufacturer plates so I’m going to say yes
@@Mountain413 I can agree that the S4 is the least dynamic of the three Germans, but I'm surprised how lukewarm he felt about it. They could tweak alignment, tire pressures, etc. so the type-s seems more competitive. I'm not saying they did, and I'd like to think they're more ethical than that, but agian... tinfoil hat is on.
Not everything is a conspiracy lol
@@drivescene6747 I gotta disagree with u friend lol. But hey, Acura has allowed all this to happen. Everyone has assumptions, conspiracies, doubts, questions, etc because we still do not know what we should know about the Type S. It's performance numbers. Someone needs to get both cars out on the road or track like in the next hour so the rumors can be put to rest lol.
@@mutualdecline2174 I can understand that. And I agree with you, another journalist should put the Type S through their performance testing, we still don’t have an official 0-60 nor a 1/4 mile time which is ridiculous considering the car is going on sale next month, typical Acura crappy marketing.
The Audi is blanding out now sort of like washing out of the line. The TLX handles superbly and gives you that edge confidence driving at much higher speeds that just stick you to the pavement. It has the ability to keep you planted well into the turns and sharp. The TLX with a few mods is already in range of eclipsing the M3 and M4 competizione with out the XWD that you need to be faster in the M3. To me that smells like a winner not to mention price and looks plus Reliability to go with it something that AUDI and BMW do not still understand or comprehend RELIABILITY. The only crown they had was performance but it looks like the Accords and the TLX are going to take away that crown too. So Yeah BMW you go down the line in terms of value.
I would take the S4 because I have an A7 and it’s amazing
damn i wish i lived in US. Here in Poland s4 starts from 88500 usd and its a diesel!!!! Wtf Europe
Type s hands down
Couldn’t even compare this to a TLX. Besides of looks, the S4 beats the TLX in many ways
this thing eats type S all day.
just like the sq5 outperforms the rdx type S
loved the previous gens as super fun daily driver
might be ages old but the tech is still years ahead of the Acura. Just look at the reverse cam at 10:20, it is way better than even the advanced TLX 360 cam, and the Type S doesn't even get the 360 cam in USA. Digital dash, hud option, proper shifter no stupid push buttons, touch screen. Acura can learn a lot from the Audi still and I say that as a Acura fan
Type-S weighs a ton more. And 10 year old acuras look 20 years old. Tried and true Audi quality in a daily driver = goodness.
Great car. Such a shame they removed the V6 TFSI in Europe.
this is the b9.5 generation and honestly ive been living with a 2019 b9 s4 prestige for the last 6 months and prefer it way more than the b9.5 not a fan of the new wheel or exterior styling
idk i drive a zf8speed and that just seems like such a delay at this point in time. zf shifts right as the paddle is getting relesaed. Thats like a .5 second delay at least after he releases the paddle. and thats a base 430i
only on downshifts i should say
Yes I noticed that too. Perhaps Audi just didn’t tune the programming as good.
@@dankchron1617 This is exactly the case.
Yeahhhhh TLX over S4 for me but I'd still get the G70/Stinger over both. M340 is still king thouth in my opinion.
G70 with that 3.3L V6 Turbo 🔥
M340i is king. G70 3.3T is close second. The rest... meh.
Would have to stick with the Audi.
Well i think we are due for the B10 gen of the a4 they need to update them they feel a little old compare to all the new stuff out there
Unfortunately the S4 and TLX Type S are both impossible to get. None are being built
What a world we live in, we compare the Audi S4 with Acura and Acura wins!!
On Acuras payroll I see. News flash: people buy the S4 over the Honda TLX because of the brand prestige.
Still very disappointed that Audi will still not bring the RS4 to the states