some of us "me in particular" we know exactly how police operate when bribery is involved, moreover when they realise after the fact that they have cost a huge damage "the concealment" will be very high. Everything about this case has been cooked against the accused,, those documents were written and prepared by one person, thereafter he went everywhere to organise people who will be his porns, because he can't signand commission them by himself. e.g after mogane got documents from ntanzi employer but he went inside the mine to ensure that the reports are manoeuvre in a way that suits his intentions. It is so annoying 😡 to read comments that are so unthoughtful
It is clear that you're clueless about SAPS profoma that is used in questioning accused i don't blame you but let me warn you there's nothing that is cooked by SAPS the paper speaks for itself
Blind follower wena. When u listen to court cases you must have objective mind and don't be swayed by social media influences particularly TH-camrs. They more interested in subscriptions and views to make money
So far we know that Ntanzi has a clear criminal record; when he was arrested he had been holding down stable employment from 2009 to 2020; he has three kids; his beloved hobby is Zulu dancing; he had a live-in girlfriend. All of this points to a well-adjusted social being, trying to make it in this country with a Grade 10 education. The State would have us believe he is a conniving sophisticated arms dealer - does that make any sense at all? If a leopard could change its spots, then Ntanzi is a master of deception!
Unfortunately, on the stand he sounds like someone fabricating his story. He has a clear crim record ofcourse but what he says and what Mngomezulu put to witnesses does not correlates
Yhoo Sibande and he was proudly presenting a lie to the court about Pukeng Police station, he doesn't even apologize to the court if he made a mistake. I'm happy Ntanzi disputed, that means he really remembers, and he's telling the truth
Guilty of what bcoz as far as I can recall, the guy who was positively identified with Ntanzi had a gold teeth. As per doctor's report Ntanzi never had a gold teeth case closed. Guilty of unable to provide what Sibanda wants to hear?
People busy saying ntanzi is throwing Mngomenzulu under the bus....for me its not the case....this is what you called...dnt change the game but change the player.... The state was ready for Ntanzi to sing like Mngomenzulu but instead...he changed the whole thing....and what l like about this its the consistent in his story.. more especially when he says. " Uginda indlamu ngakubo even inkosi iyamazi, and akanacala kwanongoma".... From there l knew it kuthi the state lost it.....
You need to educate yourself on court proceedings my friend, this is not a shebeen. You can’t just be changing your tune like a jukebox, you will go to jail.
He is simply destroying his credibility as a witness. Remember Mgo or Rams kept on saying "accirding to my instructions". So literally whatever the lawyer says in a court of law comes from you. So you can't keep on putting versions different from those put up him because in essence these are all our versions.
Mr Sibande a lot of black South Africans do not know their rights and those who know the law as experts of the law like you Advocate,, they will use that against the vulnerable. of society
@@LeleKim1 Anybody can find themselves behind bars, that does not make them criminals and guilty of any charges against them. I saw many people came back after being proven not guilty by the courts. Someone is innocent, until be proven otherwise by the court of law.
Mrs Cronje, the magistrate recorded audio of the entire confession with her laptop, if Ntanzi is innocent, he would demand that the court play the recording to exonerate him. That fact alone is enough for me to assume he is lying.
@@TshepoMaake-lm1vb There was no secrecy, she mentioned that she does it all the time for in case like this where a criminal changes the tune. Nothing wrong with the recording.
That's Sibanda for you 😂😂😂 The guy is clueless and trying by all means to be relevant but is unsuccessful, Even when the grudge is on his side, he's still struggling
Just food for thought all Ntanzi complaint about that he needed toiletries and to contact his family and he said he thought that is what he signed for. Why didn't he tell Mrs. Cronje that he was assaulted I can guarantee that she would have done something about that!!
Yeah im sure she would have AS IF SHE DID MAKE SOMETHING ABOUT HIS TOILETRIES. I mean common sense man, if he was confessing freely why was it only reduced to writing?…if there was nothing wrong, why did the magistrate broke Ntanzi’s constitutional rights. Lastly if the state has the right people confessions or not they must have another proof that they have against the guys on the box. By the way Ntanzi has been cleared by medical records that he never had a gold tooth, no tatoos and n has never had dreadlocks
You know i am asking myself since these guys were arrested in 2020 they could have used the phones or whatever to record confessions instead of them writing them down, i wonder if this person behind this cooked up story isn't broke yet because how many people are involved in this. And also why is it that all of them do the confessions freely and voluntary ai khona okshay'amanzi la
If she was upfront about that recording and informed Mr. Ntanzi about it, it would have been admissible. And here is where the law gets a wee bit funny. All the people in the court except us could listen to that recording and once heard never forgotten even if it was disallowed because of infringement of constitutional rights. Here I will certainly judge the judge for allowing that recording to be played!! The first question should have been have the accused gave consent?@@TshepoMaake-lm1vb
the reason why kininda and his crew, made a point that Advocate Teffo Malesela his removed from this case; is because he "Teffo" was once a blue "police officer" and he knows everything about police secret operations. Kininda knows that Teffo will wrench them apart especially on police operations or directives. Last part is Mjiyakho, why this imposter is not called to testify in court; because his name keeps on popping up from the state
Houw!! Police are responsible for Adv Teffo's removal from this case???? 😮😮😮 Secondly, if the state failed to call a witness during the trial, the DEFENSE can call the said witness, MEANING Adv Mngomezulu, Ramosepele, Mnisi,Xhumalo and Mshololo CAN STILL call Mjiyako to come and testify
@@GodfreyMukosiMulaudzi Maybe you didn't get it, when Adv Teffo said; his arrest inside the court was orchestrated, to distract him from the case before court. A lot of things that Adv Teffo said about these case, are being revealed. A calling of a witness in court is not just happening, state will and can oppose it knowing very well, what is at stake. If Adv Teffo is to be called as a witness.
I heard you about his arrest in court, it was UNCALLED for and disgusting as well But my understanding is that Adv Teffo was removed from this case (Senzo) by the current accused
In light of the contradictions from witnesses inside the house, the bungling by police of docket 375 and the current 636, who owns the truth about the matters in this case?
There is no confession with a smile. It is difficult for me to believe that Ntanzi & Sibiya confessions were freely and voluntarily obtained. However, my view is that if confession corroborates the events of the 26/10/2014, it must be accepted. I also think the law relating to confession and OB must be reviewed
now, i know that this Judge is going to rule in the favour of the state. Why am saying that is when ramosepele, request to interact with ntanzi on a document that the state has brought before court, meanwhile ntanzi is under oath. Judge didn't give restriction for interaction e.g you consult with your client on the matter concerning the document only sir nothing out of that "
A power of attorney is signed for a lawyer to act on behalf of the accused, in the event that an advocate is appointed; the attorney firm do all the necessary requirements and the funder, is revealed in the documents. That's what ntanzi is sorting from the state, to know who appointed mjiyakho for him and also who paid for his services.
@@sarahvilane3789 The court has made a ruling on the tape, there's no other means that the court a quo could reverse it's own decision. The magistrate in question has violated Ntanzi's constitutional rights, by recording him without giving a notice thereof. It is for that reason her recording would not be allowed in court of law.. i hope you are now clear with that my sister 🙏🏿
Here's a thought and it's just my thought if I was an advocate for defense and sat through 3 days without judge interfering when I started to ask questions and he started to testifie for witness as he has done I would be asking him the question why did you not ask any questions during examination from prosecution. There has to be some fairness
Why would Gininda and his people assault Ntanzi just so he can add initials on the document that he willingly signed under the assumption that he would get to make a phone call and shower. Why wouldn’t they just say please initial the documents for that shower you wanted?
Anyway, the pro forma is not a Document used by SAPS/ Court for confessions ...Msho produced the eligible or statutory form which Gininda denied even though is the correct form.So, confessions technical will be thrown back to Gininda for home use...🫣🫣🫣
A story has two sides ,as much as i loved Senzo i used to be a die hard Pirates supporter according to my understanding of this case these accused r Not guilty jst a few points.evidence was planted ty went alone in the shark n came back with live ammunition mind u the accused used to stay with his malume ,so malume z that dull to keep exhibits instd of destroying thm,yes he was assulted has got scars in his wrist ....wy not allowed to write his own statement...the truth z wen u get arrested polices dont tell yr rights hve experience
Don’t like the aura of this Sibanda guy. He’s full of himself and full of B S!. Trying to confuse Ntazi by semantics. During stressful times, one attends to the matter at hand, survival not looking at the time of day!
That is the job of Prosecuting Attorney to ascertain if you are telling the truth. They will come at you at all angles. You must remember they got a lot of arsenals, the AVL evidence, the fact that Ntanzi never at any time complaint of assaults and here Vivian Cronje was his best bet to air those because there were no police in that room. If it was me, I would have sing like a canary to tell her but all he complaint about he needs toiletries and to contact his family.
I am amazed that they didn't bring the AVL into question again to support the fact that the vehicle that transported Ntanzi to the police station didn't stop to assault him to sign those papers. Nevertheless, there are no blood on those documents and in the confession, there were the Magistrate and Interpreter in the room and the Lawyer even Thow he disputes the fact that he didn't ask the lawyer to represent him.
Let's for a moment belief Ntanzi. Then he only signed and was later forced to initialize the the documents when he was bleeding. Given that the documents presented here don't have blood stains as alledged by him and they bear his signature, does it mean he signed two copies?
Lemibuzo ezosiza ngani vele,ngoba lento iyacaca nje kuphikiswana ngento eyashiwo umngomezulu naleshiwo untanzi, kuphi okokubilawa kuka senzo ay ay kuyadlalwa ngathi la, akulad we ababulali finish
After he had signed the confession, they took him to an industrial area in germiston and forced him to sign, why would they do that when they already had what they wanted?
At an industrial site, they wanted him to appendix his thumbs on the documents. It is a common practice for police to carry around the ink pouch for those who cannot write; to appendix their thumbs on the document.
The police were having authority over this boys and no one was helping them, even when they were to be booked at police stations; it is truth that mogane did everything himself, because he greeted officers at the station by the name of his masters and superior kininda. Remember his a brigadier the first entry rank in the commissioner's level, and the most of times you find junior officers in the station at night or in charge office. Now one said brigadier requested an overnight detention for a suspect NO one will question against the senior command. Everybody knows that.
You do not follow properly or you don't understand, Ntanzi is not as educated like he said. To him, even appending the Initials is still signing, so that was the inference which he is trying to relay there. To him, both the signature and the initials, it's still signing. I guess you are lost somehow.
@xolilanga He pray on ntanzi confusion, that's why he kept asking same question again and again. Ntanzi was supposed to say, i have answered that question and keep silence.
I do not blame the accused for not trusting anyone - they are treated like pawns in this matter. Seemingly the lawyers are employing legal strategies that are not explained to the accused. On the other hand, the state is trying to convince the public that police and the justice system are not corrupt.
The lady who is light complexion on the far left of Adv Sibanda shook her head for a long time when the aspect of signiture was canvassed especially in the early stage when Ntanzi said he only signed for the request for toiletries. 14/2/2024
During the testimony in exhibit j j the recording was rejected by all defense now they ( counselors ) need a recording of hlabani magistrate court and serious i'm confused
The State knows very well that without the alleged confessions; no case. They will be left with hear say evidence. DNA exclude the 5 accused; Ballistic contradicts evidence from people who were there; etc.,
@@underdog209 We have already heard telephone evidence that links Kelly to the accused, together with Gininda implying she ordered the hit on Senzo ; in your expert opinion why has she not been arrested as the mastermind?
@underdog209, we heard about the gun, which also contradicts the statements of the witnesses, who were in the house. Zungu's testimony, a police officer... let's leave his faults; but his testimony is that Accussed #3 handed the gun/ revolver to Gabini contradicting the evidence or the gun alleged to be the murder weapon. Remember the car story, Uno vs VW Polo.... Statements are prepared as the trial is in progress.... Defense is ambushed with new evidence as during trial...... There is a lot presented to date that exclude the 5 men in the box.
Defense worst idea to place the accused on the stand!! They should have stood by their strategy to make the state proof that the accused was not coerced into make those confessions. The AVL made big holes into that strategy. Just to say I was choked, electrocuted and kick do not do it and the locations pointed out by the defense didn't make sense. They could have just said it took place in Police cells.
Law and emotions doesn't go hand in hand .sometimes we need to separate emotions and facts . And the facts are that Senzo is no more. That the five accused are alleged to have organised the hit. That accused one and two confessed . That the alleged confessions were made under duress. That Kelly Khumalo sent them to so. A closer scrutiny of the above has nothing to do with Sibanda and his origin and also has nothing to do with the fact that Ntanzi doesnt speak English. It makes more sense to argue on a question of law
Naye uMngome, ucindezele kakhulu uTanzi. kwale noma ekhuzwa ukuthi ndoda sokubuza ugamanxele uzofaaka umangalwa enkingeni. kodwa yena ube foster. So ufake this Ntanzi guy kwimibuzo eminingi enye i Tactical and Ntanzi is not ecademicaly equip to answer technically questions.
@@annegriffiths986 He agreed on one thing only "his signature" but initializing he dispute it by saying i don't remember me putting BS on the documents
Its difficult to believe Ntazi....he lied about being at work....he is the only one telling the truth and everyone else is lying...intepreter, police officers, Mngomezulu, AVL.....etc😢
some of us "me in particular" we know exactly how police operate when bribery is involved, moreover when they realise after the fact that they have cost a huge damage "the concealment" will be very high.
Everything about this case has been cooked against the accused,, those documents were written and prepared by one person, thereafter he went everywhere to organise people who will be his porns, because he can't signand commission them by himself. e.g after mogane got documents from ntanzi employer but he went inside the mine to ensure that the reports are manoeuvre in a way that suits his intentions.
It is so annoying 😡 to read comments that are so unthoughtful
It is clear that you're clueless about SAPS profoma that is used in questioning accused i don't blame you but let me warn you there's nothing that is cooked by SAPS the paper speaks for itself
The state mst leave this case cz they humiliate themselves so badly I'm so embarrassed 😞
I don't agree with you, there are a lot of issues with the testimony from Ntanzi.
I’m also embarrassed on your behalf
Blind follower wena. When u listen to court cases you must have objective mind and don't be swayed by social media influences particularly TH-camrs. They more interested in subscriptions and views to make money
Mr Ntanzi humiliated his lawyers the way I see it
Are watching the same trial?
So far we know that Ntanzi has a clear criminal record; when he was arrested he had been holding down stable employment from 2009 to 2020; he has three kids; his beloved hobby is Zulu dancing; he had a live-in girlfriend. All of this points to a well-adjusted social being, trying to make it in this country with a Grade 10 education. The State would have us believe he is a conniving sophisticated arms dealer - does that make any sense at all? If a leopard could change its spots, then Ntanzi is a master of deception!
Wow 😊, Well said
I so wish Ratha, Baloyi, Sibanda, Gininda & Company could read this
Maybe the humanity in them will come out
He is the biggest liar.
Standing is. A gardened criminal. Arms dealer murder.
murderer
Unfortunately, on the stand he sounds like someone fabricating his story. He has a clear crim record ofcourse but what he says and what Mngomezulu put to witnesses does not correlates
It’s officially over for Ntanzi.
Yhoo Sibande and he was proudly presenting a lie to the court about Pukeng Police station, he doesn't even apologize to the court if he made a mistake. I'm happy Ntanzi disputed, that means he really remembers, and he's telling the truth
According to the sap14 he was booked in and out of cells so he thought he spent sometime in the cells. But that was not the case
Somila, how far did you go at school?
I put it to you that it’s not the truth 😂😂😂😂😂😂… go back to
😂😂😂don’t make me laugh. This guy is guilty and will be prosecuted
Guilty of what bcoz as far as I can recall, the guy who was positively identified with Ntanzi had a gold teeth. As per doctor's report Ntanzi never had a gold teeth case closed. Guilty of unable to provide what Sibanda wants to hear?
People busy saying ntanzi is throwing Mngomenzulu under the bus....for me its not the case....this is what you called...dnt change the game but change the player....
The state was ready for Ntanzi to sing like Mngomenzulu but instead...he changed the whole thing....and what l like about this its the consistent in his story.. more especially when he says. " Uginda indlamu ngakubo even inkosi iyamazi, and akanacala kwanongoma"....
From there l knew it kuthi the state lost it.....
On point 💯 I so wish inkosi can come and testify because Inkosi knows everything happening in his Village .
@@dorcasmotsepe2288 nginawe lapho nkosiyam....ngiyafisa nam kuthi ize leyo nkosi uzohlawula umfana yooooo
Indeed Ntanzi is throwing Mngomezulu under the bus big time, half of what Mngumezulu said is disputed by Ntanzi
You need to educate yourself on court proceedings my friend, this is not a shebeen. You can’t just be changing your tune like a jukebox, you will go to jail.
He is simply destroying his credibility as a witness. Remember Mgo or Rams kept on saying "accirding to my instructions". So literally whatever the lawyer says in a court of law comes from you. So you can't keep on putting versions different from those put up him because in essence these are all our versions.
Mr Sibande a lot of black South Africans do not know their rights and those who know the law as experts of the law like you Advocate,, they will use that against the vulnerable. of society
Criminals are not the vulnerable. The vulnerable are the victims of those criminals like Senzo.
True .
@@LeleKim1
Anybody can find themselves behind bars, that does not make them criminals and guilty of any charges against them. I saw many people came back after being proven not guilty by the courts. Someone is innocent, until be proven otherwise by the court of law.
Yhooyhooyho this is realy exhausting, draining and confusing kannete
Mrs Cronje, the magistrate recorded audio of the entire confession with her laptop, if Ntanzi is innocent, he would demand that the court play the recording to exonerate him. That fact alone is enough for me to assume he is lying.
Yes, play the recordings because this nkabi detailed everything during the day of murder.
Do u knw what contains in that recording nd if so y did Mrs cronje record the video secretly
@@TshepoMaake-lm1vb There was no secrecy, she mentioned that she does it all the time for in case like this where a criminal changes the tune. Nothing wrong with the recording.
Likewise, the state could have produced that recording. You must ask yourself who has the most to lose if that recording were ever to be played.
Danny she said if for her safety
Even today still same questions 🚮
That's Sibanda for you 😂😂😂
The guy is clueless and trying by all means to be relevant but is unsuccessful,
Even when the grudge is on his side, he's still struggling
Just food for thought all Ntanzi complaint about that he needed toiletries and to contact his family and he said he thought that is what he signed for. Why didn't he tell Mrs. Cronje that he was assaulted I can guarantee that she would have done something about that!!
Yeah im sure she would have AS IF SHE DID MAKE SOMETHING ABOUT HIS TOILETRIES. I mean common sense man, if he was confessing freely why was it only reduced to writing?…if there was nothing wrong, why did the magistrate broke Ntanzi’s constitutional rights. Lastly if the state has the right people confessions or not they must have another proof that they have against the guys on the box. By the way Ntanzi has been cleared by medical records that he never had a gold tooth, no tatoos and n has never had dreadlocks
Cronje recorded the entire confession with her laptop, if Ntanzi is innocent, he would demand that the court play the recording.
You know i am asking myself since these guys were arrested in 2020 they could have used the phones or whatever to record confessions instead of them writing them down, i wonder if this person behind this cooked up story isn't broke yet because how many people are involved in this. And also why is it that all of them do the confessions freely and voluntary ai khona okshay'amanzi la
Y cronje make recording without informing others
If she was upfront about that recording and informed Mr. Ntanzi about it, it would have been admissible. And here is where the law gets a wee bit funny. All the people in the court except us could listen to that recording and once heard never forgotten even if it was disallowed because of infringement of constitutional rights. Here I will certainly judge the judge for allowing that recording to be played!! The first question should have been have the accused gave consent?@@TshepoMaake-lm1vb
the reason why kininda and his crew, made a point that Advocate Teffo Malesela his removed from this case; is because he "Teffo" was once a blue "police officer" and he knows everything about police secret operations. Kininda knows that Teffo will wrench them apart especially on police operations or directives.
Last part is Mjiyakho, why this imposter is not called to testify in court; because his name keeps on popping up from the state
Houw!! Police are responsible for Adv Teffo's removal from this case???? 😮😮😮
Secondly, if the state failed to call a witness during the trial, the DEFENSE can call the said witness, MEANING Adv Mngomezulu, Ramosepele, Mnisi,Xhumalo and Mshololo CAN STILL call Mjiyako to come and testify
@@GodfreyMukosiMulaudzi
Maybe you didn't get it, when Adv Teffo said; his arrest inside the court was orchestrated, to distract him from the case before court. A lot of things that Adv Teffo said about these case, are being revealed. A calling of a witness in court is not just happening, state will and can oppose it knowing very well, what is at stake. If Adv Teffo is to be called as a witness.
I heard you about his arrest in court, it was UNCALLED for and disgusting as well
But my understanding is that Adv Teffo was removed from this case (Senzo) by the current accused
Ntanzi usemasimbeni. A liar who claims not to know everything. Sibande had him by the balls today
Justice for Meyiwa...ngenelela Nkosi yam😊
Ntanzi is trying so hard to prove to his co accused that he didn't snitch on them 😅😂😂
This case only nkulunkulu knows...
This boy, claims that everyone else is lying except him.
Imagine everyone including his Attorney.
In light of the contradictions from witnesses inside the house, the bungling by police of docket 375 and the current 636, who owns the truth about the matters in this case?
These are wasting time they must bring Kelly she is the only person who knows what happened that day and her mums let them be honest guys.
Wa bona he eo, is something we are waiting for ene ke bona esairahala
Can somebody please tell me has baby Baloyi finished with his question or should I say re run re run of the same question for past 3days
Kuyabheda ku Ntanzi shame maan. Contradicting Mngommezulu too much
Kanti yini vele manje😢
You guys just follow the case now , the state is contradicting everything
@@livebyhope wehhh I started with Mahumela
@livebyhope I watch it everyday....live. I don't wait for night data 🤣🤣🤣
There is no confession with a smile. It is difficult for me to believe that Ntanzi & Sibiya confessions were freely and voluntarily obtained. However, my view is that if confession corroborates the events of the 26/10/2014, it must be accepted. I also think the law relating to confession and OB must be reviewed
now, i know that this Judge is going to rule in the favour of the state. Why am saying that is when ramosepele, request to interact with ntanzi on a document that the state has brought before court, meanwhile ntanzi is under oath. Judge didn't give restriction for interaction e.g you consult with your client on the matter concerning the document only sir nothing out of that "
A power of attorney is signed for a lawyer to act on behalf of the accused, in the event that an advocate is appointed; the attorney firm do all the necessary requirements and the funder, is revealed in the documents. That's what ntanzi is sorting from the state, to know who appointed mjiyakho for him and also who paid for his services.
Smone confessed to seting a building in jhb and killing 76 people.. without any assult
May the court must bring the tape from the magistrate then we can hear the truth
@@sarahvilane3789
The court has made a ruling on the tape, there's no other means that the court a quo could reverse it's own decision. The magistrate in question has violated Ntanzi's constitutional rights, by recording him without giving a notice thereof. It is for that reason her recording would not be allowed in court of law.. i hope you are now clear with that my sister 🙏🏿
Here's a thought and it's just my thought if I was an advocate for defense and sat through 3 days without judge interfering when I started to ask questions and he started to testifie for witness as he has done I would be asking him the question why did you not ask any questions during examination from prosecution. There has to be some fairness
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Defence lawyers are exhibiting nothing but stupidity or no knowledge/ limits of the law, they are just rude, Ramasipula is much much better
If you were an advocate you would know why he isn’t asking questions during examination in chief. What’s confusing you right now is ignorance.
@@underdog209 oh please read before you right if I was
@@underdog209 and it's not examination in chief
Why would Gininda and his people assault Ntanzi just so he can add initials on the document that he willingly signed under the assumption that he would get to make a phone call and shower. Why wouldn’t they just say please initial the documents for that shower you wanted?
He said he signed the proforma under the impression it was for what he had requested.
Anyway, the pro forma is not a Document used by SAPS/ Court for confessions ...Msho produced the eligible or statutory form which Gininda denied even though is the correct form.So, confessions technical will be thrown back to Gininda for home use...🫣🫣🫣
He ask for the shower but he dont tell lomama womlungu uku uyafa yisbhaxu. akasho nokuthi kunendoda lana ethi iwumeli wam angiyiguni lana.
Standing is just spinning lies. Telling tales under oath.
*Ntanzi.
One question all the day uyabhora xem this is justise for meyiwa senzo
This witness is playing ignorant. In court he will never win by playing ignorance. He has a lawyer and is saying the lawyer is lying
A story has two sides ,as much as i loved Senzo i used to be a die hard Pirates supporter according to my understanding of this case these accused r Not guilty jst a few points.evidence was planted ty went alone in the shark n came back with live ammunition mind u the accused used to stay with his malume ,so malume z that dull to keep exhibits instd of destroying thm,yes he was assulted has got scars in his wrist ....wy not allowed to write his own statement...the truth z wen u get arrested polices dont tell yr rights hve experience
When last has Ratha quoted the case or this "A Judge is an administrator of justice, he is not merely a empire, he has not only to direct...."
Am sure walter ndlovu is a zimbabwean and i don't blame him. His from the heart of izikhohlakali all over the world.
They must change the interpreter Mr. Ntanzi is speaking deep Zulu some times they don't understand him.
Madoda singaqali ukuvusa okungekhoyo
Unamanga Zulu is not a foreign language
Don’t like the aura of this Sibanda guy. He’s full of himself and full of B S!. Trying to confuse Ntazi by semantics. During stressful times, one attends to the matter at hand, survival not looking at the time of day!
That is the job of Prosecuting Attorney to ascertain if you are telling the truth. They will come at you at all angles. You must remember they got a lot of arsenals, the AVL evidence, the fact that Ntanzi never at any time complaint of assaults and here Vivian Cronje was his best bet to air those because there were no police in that room. If it was me, I would have sing like a canary to tell her but all he complaint about he needs toiletries and to contact his family.
I am amazed that they didn't bring the AVL into question again to support the fact that the vehicle that transported Ntanzi to the police station didn't stop to assault him to sign those papers. Nevertheless, there are no blood on those documents and in the confession, there were the Magistrate and Interpreter in the room and the Lawyer even Thow he disputes the fact that he didn't ask the lawyer to represent him.
They did the other day
Let's for a moment belief Ntanzi. Then he only signed and was later forced to initialize the the documents when he was bleeding. Given that the documents presented here don't have blood stains as alledged by him and they bear his signature, does it mean he signed two copies?
U r so limited in your thinking open up this brains plz
Lemibuzo ezosiza ngani vele,ngoba lento iyacaca nje kuphikiswana ngento eyashiwo umngomezulu naleshiwo untanzi, kuphi okokubilawa kuka senzo ay ay kuyadlalwa ngathi la, akulad we ababulali finish
After he had signed the confession, they took him to an industrial area in germiston and forced him to sign, why would they do that when they already had what they wanted?
At an industrial site, they wanted him to appendix his thumbs on the documents. It is a common practice for police to carry around the ink pouch for those who cannot write; to appendix their thumbs on the document.
The police were having authority over this boys and no one was helping them, even when they were to be booked at police stations; it is truth that mogane did everything himself, because he greeted officers at the station by the name of his masters and superior kininda.
Remember his a brigadier the first entry rank in the commissioner's level, and the most of times you find junior officers in the station at night or in charge office. Now one said brigadier requested an overnight detention for a suspect NO one will question against the senior command. Everybody knows that.
You do not follow properly or you don't understand, Ntanzi is not as educated like he said. To him, even appending the Initials is still signing, so that was the inference which he is trying to relay there. To him, both the signature and the initials, it's still signing. I guess you are lost somehow.
He says let's proceed but goes back to the same question😢
@xolilanga
He pray on ntanzi confusion, that's why he kept asking same question again and again. Ntanzi was supposed to say, i have answered that question and keep silence.
Ingabe animncomi ngani nangu usisi ongemuva kuka Mshushisi u Baloyi?
Yeka uchuku😂😂😂 I see u
Uke wanconywa😜
Can the court plz bring Kelly n family cz now we are being played
3:42 Bathong, what's happening here and no comment from the Judge.
I haven’t watch it until the end , Did the cross examination continued the whole day today??
Ntanzi unamanga uma usubona ukuthi uyabanjwa uvele ufake uMngomezulu.no Sbiya naye wenze okufanayo kodwa uncono uSbiya ubengakhulumi kakhulu.wena Ntanzi ufuna ukukhuluma kakhulu mase uSibande akunake alokhu ebuyela emuva uSibande😐🙂
They keep blaming Mgomezulu. His lyng
I do not blame the accused for not trusting anyone - they are treated like pawns in this matter. Seemingly the lawyers are employing legal strategies that are not explained to the accused. On the other hand, the state is trying to convince the public that police and the justice system are not corrupt.
Ai Ntanzi😂😂😂
If I was a State Attorney, I would love an accuse on the Stand. You can ask any questions you want.!!
Kodwa yenzeni le ingane yomuntu😮
The lady who is light complexion on the far left of Adv Sibanda shook her head for a long time when the aspect of signiture was canvassed especially in the early stage when Ntanzi said he only signed for the request for toiletries. 14/2/2024
She's a lawyer also nd she can see what is going on
That's their candidate attorney and working for Mngomezulu s team
She was trying to warn her client but just like all criminals they think they are smarter than everyone.
I went to high school with her 😊
@@underdog209who is her client? Ntanzi is not a criminal
ubani ongangixhumanisa nalo sisi ovela ngaphezu kwekhanda lika Baloyi... sukela o2023... ngizwa nje ngimjabulela
Eish look at Sibiya , he looks worried
You are the one who is worried 😅
Baphi ababesendlini? Kanti kwankonkoshelwa u Ntanzi nje,yini?
We need to hear the audio recording
Can someone please tell Ntanzi to stop saying he doesn't know English. The judge has already seen that he can read and understand English.
Ungakhohlwa siyazi weBaloyi ngawe naleli cala
Eish Ntanzi is throwing Mngomezulu under the bus again
Kanti who is Mngomezulu representing in this case?
Ntanzi n Sibiya
Ntanzi n Sibiya but now it seems like they are distancing themselves from him
There is no smoke without fire
Isiyadabukisa indaba ka Ntanzi neslungu
Signing so many papers for izinto zo kugeza Ayanda
Uyaxoka lonNtansi wenu😂😂😂😂😂
Ngomezulu is Ntanzi in court
Uyabheda ntanzi ukuthole ujaji uyaziphikisa
Mina I will lose temper if asked one question over and over again
Sibande ka tlogo e soolo otla tuka 🤞🤞😢😢
Umama womlungu obechofoza i laptop😂
#Free ntanzi😅
Ochofa ikhomputha
During the testimony in exhibit j j the recording was rejected by all defense now they ( counselors ) need a recording of hlabani magistrate court and serious i'm confused
Mr mjiyako igamalakho lgcola hoza uzozimela uyolahlekelwa ngamaclayente
Ntate Ntanzi Baba Ntanzi ku enze njani 😢
The State knows very well that without the alleged confessions; no case. They will be left with hear say evidence.
DNA exclude the 5 accused;
Ballistic contradicts evidence from people who were there; etc.,
That’s not true, there are many aspects of the case that are yet to be dealt with, including evidence that links the other three to the incident
And the gold tooth excludes Ntanzi
@@underdog209 We have already heard telephone evidence that links Kelly to the accused, together with Gininda implying she ordered the hit on Senzo ; in your expert opinion why has she not been arrested as the mastermind?
@underdog209, we heard about the gun, which also contradicts the statements of the witnesses, who were in the house.
Zungu's testimony, a police officer... let's leave his faults; but his testimony is that Accussed #3 handed the gun/ revolver to Gabini contradicting the evidence or the gun alleged to be the murder weapon.
Remember the car story, Uno vs VW Polo....
Statements are prepared as the trial is in progress....
Defense is ambushed with new evidence as during trial......
There is a lot presented to date that exclude the 5 men in the box.
After cronje they just want ntanzi to introduce the R3million testimony and he has completely forgoten about that.
Umama womlungu😂
Ntanzi you are guilty u know something about senzo death
The interpreter is letting Ntanzi down, he doesn't relate exactly what Ntanzi says
Ntanzi understands English very well. Don't be fooled.
Who cares. Ke skebengwwa mose.
Which forest do @LeleKim1 is coming from? Bathong 😳
Hey disenza follow up guys
Mnagwaka is waiting for him🤣🤣🤣
Inkosiizoqeta lo msamgano namanga.
😂"akhulume naye umama womlungu lo..ngingazi ukuthi kwenziwani" 😂
Defense worst idea to place the accused on the stand!! They should have stood by their strategy to make the state proof that the accused was not coerced into make those confessions. The AVL made big holes into that strategy. Just to say I was choked, electrocuted and kick do not do it and the locations pointed out by the defense didn't make sense. They could have just said it took place in Police cells.
R u listening to yourself
Kizolawula wena Nkosi kule mess
😭😭😭😭💔
Kwaza kwababuhlungu thixo 😭💔
Lies, lies, lies😮
La kubuzwa umubuzo uphindwe but uNtanzi umile qinisweni, kazi nobabopha Nini abesindlini ngoba ibo abazi qiniso
Rabishi hamba uyolwela izimbabwe yakini wena ngoba into enyanyisayo nidlala ngoNtanzi ngoba ngabona untanzi akayazi English kubona noma uba kuthi namubophela amanqina enyathi
Law and emotions doesn't go hand in hand .sometimes we need to separate emotions and facts . And the facts are that Senzo is no more. That the five accused are alleged to have organised the hit. That accused one and two confessed . That the alleged confessions were made under duress. That Kelly Khumalo sent them to so.
A closer scrutiny of the above has nothing to do with Sibanda and his origin and also has nothing to do with the fact that Ntanzi doesnt speak English. It makes more sense to argue on a question of law
Naye uMngome, ucindezele kakhulu uTanzi. kwale noma ekhuzwa ukuthi ndoda sokubuza ugamanxele uzofaaka umangalwa enkingeni. kodwa yena ube foster. So ufake this Ntanzi guy kwimibuzo eminingi enye i Tactical and Ntanzi is not ecademicaly equip to answer technically questions.
Poor audio
I can't hear a thing. Noise
do Sibande knows the hand writing of ntanzi, when his so adamant that he "ntanzi" has wrote his initials on each page of the forge documents.
Ntanzi agreed that is his initials, but he say that he was choked to put them there.
Ntanzi should ve disputed it then....then questioned document expert was gonna examine it. So he did not dispute it
@@annegriffiths986
He agreed on one thing only "his signature" but initializing he dispute it by saying i don't remember me putting BS on the documents
I wonder loMjiyako uza nini apha azithethelele, yhuuu liyatsha igama lakhe sana
Sibande isilima uzenza ncono 🚮🚮🚮🚮qiniso liyoziveza
Iyozalankomoni
I signed full signature 😂😂😂😂😂english ntanzi
😂tolika is liying "nezingane ,anginayo ingane eyodwa," which means I have many kids, not one child
He can read the company's name if it was written somewhere??? He can read English selectively😂😂he is a joke
He is not stupid, and he has Grade 10. He knows somethings, and others not. How masterful is your English vocabulary? The joke is on you!
@@Master_Picksthank you
So all this 10 pgs is for the bothing material?
🎉
UNtanzi uyayibalekela imibuzo lento emgaxelisayo ekugcineni
😊
Its difficult to believe Ntazi....he lied about being at work....he is the only one telling the truth and everyone else is lying...intepreter, police officers, Mngomezulu, AVL.....etc😢
He never said he was at work
.even his HR said he went on leave
Uhlobene no Kelly nje wena ukhuluma ubulima
Wenzeni. Abantu. Bakakhumalo. Inkosi. Iyababona. Akuko. Okungapheli. Inzophendula. Ubulali. Uyanziiwa. Ulala. Njani. Sathane. 😭😭👺👺👺
Akekho umuntu ongacofa ifoni eNkantolo .iNkantolo iyahlonishwa😐😐
I believe it was in an office not in court.
Kuyacaca awazi ukhuluma ngani, mina engijwayela court abameli nabashushisi bayayichofa ifoni, futhi ujahha ukukhuluma into ongayizwanga Kahle, lento bebeyenza kwi room ecourt not enkantolo
do Sibande knows the hand writing of ntanzi, when his so adamant that he "ntanzi" has wrote his initials on each page of the forge documents.
And wena have you seen that signature to be so adamant that the signature is forged or the entire confession rather
@@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849 These people will surprise you. The education system has failed many.
@@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849 this is so stupidity of yourself, am not in court wena setlaela