Why is the state (Mr. Sibanda) asking if the defence team is going to bring Mr. Mjiyakho to come and testify? Why didn't the state include him in their witness list as he was pressnting accused no.2 when a confession was made before magistrate court Mrs. Cronje?
And to add to that, the state on it it's case told the court they aren't aiming to Mr djiyako and judge also concluded that , that the onus rest on the state to do not call any witnesses .... now state closed its case now and sibanda try to play smart against defence by asking whether the defence will call djiyako? Maybe Mr djiyako will not come the state knows that.... coz they the state fails in this trial dismally
Why did they keep on insisting Ntanzi had a heart problem. My takr is that they knew that the electric device they used on him could have damaged his heart . And also that if Ntanzi were to fie during torture they will state that he died because of that. If Ntanzi had not signed, he would have been tortured to death. They were covering their backs
@user-rp3zu6uo3k Since you are so smart can you explain what the issue was with heart . You guys have been plotting ukubulala ingane yabantu all along
The most interesting thing about the accused’s version is that everyone from the police, his lawyer, magistrate and the dentist did everything and or lied about everything. Lies have short legs
Somebody said ntanzii was in standard 10 he don't know english, even with me i passed standard 11 to promote to 12, i didn't know English , until i got work, nou i learned it bcz ilm working with english people! Don't laughing with others, we never be the same.😢
These lawyers are a disgrace to the Black Lawyers Association. They're so unprofessional and unethical. How can you question the appearance of a fellow lawyer for the accused? In the beginning they were saying he had never represented the accused, now there's proof in the form of a charge sheet that he had indeed appeared for the accused, but they still go on as if they're fishing in a cup of water.
All this was planned that none should touch the suspects except for them. Even when moved to other police stations still it was the same people, same service😢
Am giving an example of a patient admitted in a district hospital, transferred to another hospital and to another hospital again but the doctors and nurses are the same. Whats the use of transferring that patient😅
There should be an agreement form between the legal representative and a suspect. Where is it? If it’s not there, then the legal representative should not appear on the particular suspect.
@@Eishjo45proven by who and when?? The Special power of Attorney is supposed to be signed by the person who is being represented not his sister stop acting dumb.
@@sindiswamabunda5627I'll ignore the insult. People hire attorneys for family members who are in jail all the time. You Ntanzi groupies are exhausting with your tantrums on social media 😴
@@Eishjo45 And I am telling you as a person who works in litigation that the accused himself has to sign a Specia Power of Attorney giving that person the RIGHT to represent him. Even if the fees are paid by someone else you are still required to GIVE CONSENT. Atleast I am a groupie but I have common sense and know the basics of court proceedings wena you are just a clueless clown with a big mouth.
@@Eishjo45 The SPOA is phrased in this way "I the undersigned Sindiswa Rowena Mabunda... ID number... Do herebye nominate Mabunda Attorneys, constitute & appoint... and professional assistants.... than you write your address and date. There is no space for a next of kin as they are not the ones who will be represented at court. They can't even give him instruction, only you as the undersigned can do that.
Mjiyakho never visited him in the cells but pitched at tge court to represent Ntanzi. So strange. 😢 stay strong Ntanzi. Hopefully case 375 will be considered.
This narcissist criminal is lying, what about the people he has wronged? This man is a criminal never mind whether he is involved in Senzo's murder or not. You have a nerve to sympathize with criminals, what kind of a citizen are u?
And the recording is about 3hour. What were they doing all this while? And the defence lawyers fought for the recording to not be usedd as evidence. According to Ntanzi, most of the is just silence Ten past four
@linbenedictmdlalose The state reason for asking if Advocate Mjiyakho will be called in as witness is " If he's not to be called, by mentioning his name and the participation in the case will be tantamount to HEAR SAY evidence and the court will dismissed Ntanzi's version" The state should get a fair chance to ask him "Mjiyakho" about his role as some aspects have been placed on record about him.
Gininda offered 3m. Mjiakho told ntanzi he has a 3m deal with the police. Ntanzi said he never signed a deal Gininda says he did, if he did when was it presented in court. It must be presented in court and the judge will decide to accept it or not. Then sentence the accused without trial. So ntanzi signed a plea deal then pleaded not guilty. Still waiting for this to be unpacked
That observation by the judge "that the witness (Accused No2,) understands English" will count against him because on several occasions he said he doesn't understand English...and the body language of the judge was telling....9/2/2024
He does understand some of things .but not competent. Everyone knows basic English language not that he is totally blank.that is why he got interpreter.
The judge was utterly wrong in his observation. It was the interpreter's mistake. It's even worse that the judge claims to understand all languages, but the interpreter is making a lot of errors. It also does not help that Ramosepele does not speak Zulu. I listened three times. He said ngiyezwa njengoba ungitshela, and the interpreter said I hear as it is read to me. The judge then said how do you hear cause it was read in English.
Ntanzi testified earlier that he terminated the services of Miyako and appointed someone else, how do you terminate the services of someone you never engaged?
Look at this scenario if Ntanzi terminated the services of 1st Attorney the 2nd Attorney should have present and that would have made it clear that 1st Attorney services where no longer required. If that was not the case, then he should have informed the court the Mijiakho no longer represented him and that he has a new attorney.
Just to add to that I watch a court case the other day when I child sex offender fired his Attorney in open court and told the Judge that he will defend himself. The Attorney immediately packed his bookcase and left. Simply as that!!
It's quite ironic that he told the magistrate that he was denied to bath nd the judge didn't omit that to show that she (judge) was captured 😂😂 but denies everything else he said Ntanzi thinks we kids😂 no surprises though icala liyaphikwa
Mjiakho would not be helpful to both the prosecution and the defence in this case. None of them will call him in as a preferred withness. If forced to, both parties would try to get him declared as a hostile witness and then cross examin him.
Mr Mjiyakho was introduced by the state in this court. Why Mr Mjiyakho was not made as a witness in court as from the beginning? Why now is Mr Ratsipile mentioned his name than Mr Tsibande want to call Mjikho. There is a lot of irregularities in this case. We as the citizen we waiting for truth. This battle is not going to end here. Judge Ratha got stigma over his head already for failing to conduct this case according.
Trust me he is educating them alot about the law. The defense in most times unprepared and misinterpret procedure. They will come out better advocates from this trial.
I noticed something among witnesses,when you’re lying you over explaining, the way sibiya and Ntazi answered that’s the truth, you explain when necessary not every question
These five Zulu victims Are being represented by Mr. Mnisi ( a Ndebele) Mr Ramusepidi ( a Tswana) Ms. Mshololo, Mr. Mngomezulu and Mr advocate.... sorry i forgot his surname, my sincere apologies for that. With this i want you to see how different tribes have become as one.
Just on Ntanzi and Mijiako the Attorney he didn't even had to inform the Magistrate he could have just told the Mijiako you are fired goodbye, and he would have packed his bag and told the Magistrate I no long represent this client!!
They closed their case without calling him. Which now leaves it with the version of the accused regarding the discussions with him unchallenged. The court will have no option but to accept that he did not have instructions and he wasn’t acting in the best interest of his client(s)
He’s not leading him. Remember accused persons did not make statements. So the leading of evidence would be different from Gininda & Co who made statements.
I always said in this trial, there are academic questions and academic answers unfortunately from the police you got academic answers but not moral answers
This Ramsipili always and easily withdraw anything the state objects, we wanted to hear the conversation of Ntanzi and Mjiyako from ntanzi and then hear from Mjiyako if they will say the same thing.
When the accused makes the case easy for the state and for conviction to be brought. Ya Ntanzi this is a court of law not street corner everything is recorded. The day of the confession on the corridor you were chit chatting and laughing with Mjiyako manje uyamjikela
Being born without a silver spoon is a curse the rich mess up and we are to pay for their deeds eish🥺We long waited to know how that bogus mjiyako came to the scene well done Rams🔥Wena 🦍 bring him and the relative he said he spoke to we dont want nonsense🤨Ntanzi TSWEETSWEE flow like this le ka cross examination o gakologelwe gotlhe,ALL we want is the truth and NOTHING else!Even a blind could see that niknaks already finalised ALL now its just an act💔
‘For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now I will arise,’ says the Lord; ‘I will set him in the safety for which he yearns’ ” (Psalm 12:5, NKJV).
He has attempted murder, attempted arson, violating a protection order, child endangerment and assault charges to prepare for. I also think he fought with Ramosepidi after Ramo undermined him by objecting unnecessarily during cross examination of Ntanzi
Yes. They are directly opposite versions The magistrate and woman interpreter is more believable as they are independent third parties , who are brought in randomly and at the spur of the moment. They just happened to be available at the court at that moment.
@@Adjudicator246Independent third parties are also people, not machines, people aren't perfect, they can bend on threats, manipulation, bribes etc. Your view of the world is myopic, gullible and ignorant...you speak like a child...the world as you see it, isn't sweets and roses.
Im hearing something different from Ntanzi his telling the court something they put a plastic on him they did not beat her yet he always said they were kiking him 7an tubing him
Nthanzi and his defense team should have paid special attention on how to navigate the Magistrate's confession. The magistrate and woman interpreter are also being implicated as complicit by Nthanzi's responses. There is a recording of the confession that the magistrate could use to clear her name. She does not need the courts permission to publicly broadcast the recording as she was party to the discussion. Especially since the headlines will be accusing her of complicity.
I keep questioning myself about that. Magistrate is the one who raised issue of recording. Why would she do that if she did something wrong. I forsee state hammering on this. 3 hours talking about bathing. Mmmm
The word recording is used a lot here. My view is that since no one is specifically specifying the type of recording they are referring to that means any recording is lawful and can be allowed as evidence or be used by the judge to arrive at a certain ruling. Another thing people who are against the this recording are obviously denying themselves the truth.
@mcminmpofu129 Yes, it is not admisable in this court case. My point is that she will be vilified in public because of Nthanzi's version. She has the right to defend herself in public. She does not need anyone's permission.
Exactly, he is overdoing it. Especially the Magistrate's confession process, which has a recording. They could have come up with a more plausible way of side stepping the magistrate's confession process.
Defences strategy. Deny as much as possible 😢. Let the state disprove the evidence. Lots of new evidences. Conflict between client and lawyer.Srate would exploit that😢😢😢
I have been thinking long and hard about this. A beautiful girlfriend and famous and have a child with a famous soccer player and a wife that is sitting at home watching all of this playing of in the media and everyone looking at her and shame mamma sorry to see this happening too you!! You the wife never going to get mad at the husband and girlfriend? What I think is that Kele Khumalo would have not wanted Senzo dead 1 she was in love with him and 2 I think Senzo was in love with her. If you wanted Senzo killed it would have never been in your house with your child there. I personally think the hit was to kill both Senzo and Kele!!
Then you ask yourself ukuthi they were so concerned about him that they get a lawyer for him yet they were not concerned enough to visit him. It doesn't make sense
Ntanzi can read sign .He saw Alberton , Orlando but don't know the name of the police station. Police stations have distinct signage as u enter.? Sad😢😢😢😢
No1 Illiteracy has improved in SA,. Please we're not in the yr 1854, there's basic understanding, foundation phase of English - are you suggesting he can't read signs and words on mines, or road traffic signs.. No2. We know our police is politicized in South Africa and we can't say we have 100% clean police force No3. There were moral problems or constitutional violations in this case. I hope at the end truth wins
@nthuthukodladla 😂😂😂😂 The lady she's beautiful, i know her by seeing her at the court in many occasions before this case 😂😂😂😂😂😂, mara hey dipeanut butter mo sefahlehong 🤦🏿
*Just 2 days ago Ntanzi said GININDA came to apologize to him & offered him 3m. Now he's saying GININDA came to threaten him & offered to give him 3m* 🤔
Ntanzi and his lawyer forget that this is court and this court has 50 years experience and intelligent to detect made up story😂😂😂😂😂😂, how can you dispute such crucial things.
The difficult part in ur statement is the state proving that the evidence given by the accused is made up. Remember there is corroborating evidence “modus operandi” of Gininda & Co. tubing of accused persons. Starving. Tiring them etc.
Eish Ramosepela is just too incompetent he asked questions and never listens at all to answers. Even judge had to help.me. he did not even ask why ntanzi signed
Ai the judge seems to have attention to detail and the defense has to rephrase everything because they pay attention to the interpreter than the accused. Language barrier a concern
There is a danger (for Ntanzi) with denying and everything that is said by the Officers of the law as a Lie, from Police, Piece Officer to Magistrates, then Doctors and other Witnesses. Because the implication is that all these people conspired to wrongfully smear you with the accusations and confessions...a Conspiracy Theory that will be very hard to convince the Judge. Instead it makes him looks like an unreliable witness...some may even call him a liar....especially considering that he keeps forgetting certain important things that he was asked but will be so adamant in answering seemingly miner detail such as the color details of the clothing he wore including denying the color of the COVID musk recorded by the Magistrate...
What are you trying to say, are you saying that he must agree with what he disputes in order for him to be a reliable witness. Those cops you are referring to, their testimonies were contradicting each other so should we rely on those. I think this guy's testimony is clear and straight to the point.
I agree with you. If he could proof that one of the people that took his statement illegally it will have an impact on his case but to say that everyone that interacted with him was lying. He now placed himself in a very difficult situation. The Dentist have signed a hypocritical oath and Mrs Cronje is a Magistrate. I would assume that both these individuals won't want their reputation as well as their careers be jeopardized. Plus, there was a court interpreter with Mrs Cronje as a witness for the State. He had ample time to make Mrs Cronje aware of the abuse and he didn't. If his hands where raw and scared with fresh wounds no Justice of the Piece will take your statement as you could be hold criminally liable for gross neglect of their duties as a court officer of law.
Ntanzi forgot that thru Adv T Mngomezulu he put foward a version that "Mjiyako was not there in that office" then it necessitated that such version be disputed by Mrs Cronje and Evelyn Mothlaping (Mag & Interpreter)...If m wrong you can guillotine me guys...9/2/2024..
No you're wrong, Ntanzi never disputed Mjiyako's presence, not even through Mngomezulu, the only thing he disputed was his knowledge of the guy, which might really be true if you check the guys background.
@@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 if he did not know Mjiyako why address his as Ntokozo Mjiyako because in court he was called Dominic, where did he get his second name if he doesn't know him?
@@slindileluthuli3905But Mr Ntanzi just said the guy introduced himself, so he knew what the guy told him his name was, still doesn't mean he knew the guy.
This guys lies are drowning him first through mngo he said he doesn’t know him jikijiki he was at court and during confession new version he brought up 3m issue bra just an advice you going down
Ntanzi was refusing everything except signing and finger print and allow to be taken pictures while pointing 👉 😂 this guys will be charged state have enough prove against this guys
Is that all you got from today's proceedings, no wonder the world is sinking, it's people like you who refuse to think outside the box, sheeply mindset altogether.
who paid everyone who testified against the accused 1 to 5 Is Bongani Kininda of cause, his the one who has been fortunate enough to be a friend with multimillionaire, so they spent money to distort the cese. Now the state is no longer proving an accused people guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but defending a huge law suit against the state 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@glendamashaba3472 1. One boy believed to be in the house when senzo was shot, never called to testify, 2. Alleged revolver gun was mistakenly used to kill senzo, issue took a 120° turn then a revolver turn to a pistol, 3. Only this one boy was brave enough to drift an armed robber for him to runaway, 4. A certain lady cleaned up the house to concealed the evidence, 5. Robbers did not took anything from the house, except Kelly 's phone, 6. Main characters a. Kelly and 2. Longwe are protected not to appear in court, 7. For both accused 1&2 it is alleged that life ammunition was found at their place of residence wrapped in a plastic, 8. How many saps units we have, that are capable to escorts even no: mamelodi Tsotsi, but thy choose metropolice 😳 wow 9. Presiding Officer is so arrogant and bias to the defence Advocates, etc All this things happened to concealed the evidence to protect those were in the house 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
Why is the state (Mr. Sibanda) asking if the defence team is going to bring Mr. Mjiyakho to come and testify? Why didn't the state include him in their witness list as he was pressnting accused no.2 when a confession was made before magistrate court Mrs. Cronje?
But the charge sheet is there as proof that he had appeared
Yes and he had assist the police and state for their case to be easy.... why can't the state call him
Because of the confidentiality clause between client and attorney.
And to add to that, the state on it it's case told the court they aren't aiming to Mr djiyako and judge also concluded that , that the onus rest on the state to do not call any witnesses .... now state closed its case now and sibanda try to play smart against defence by asking whether the defence will call djiyako? Maybe Mr djiyako will not come the state knows that.... coz they the state fails in this trial dismally
Because an attorney can’t testify against client only the client can call him to come testify not the state
Why did they keep on insisting Ntanzi had a heart problem. My takr is that they knew that the electric device they used on him could have damaged his heart . And also that if Ntanzi were to fie during torture they will state that he died because of that. If Ntanzi had not signed, he would have been tortured to death. They were covering their backs
That make sense😮
What a lame analysis.
They are so evil😢
@user-rp3zu6uo3k
Since you are so smart can you explain what the issue was with heart . You guys have been plotting ukubulala ingane yabantu all along
I wish to know what have the Zulus have done to other tribes these people hates the Zulus they pinned every bad occurrences to Zulus
The most interesting thing about the accused’s version is that everyone from the police, his lawyer, magistrate and the dentist did everything and or lied about everything. Lies have short legs
And sad part is most people believe that nonsense
I am happy to see Mr Ramosepele back on stand
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Somebody said ntanzii was in standard 10 he don't know english, even with me i passed standard 11 to promote to 12, i didn't know English , until i got work, nou i learned it bcz ilm working with english people! Don't laughing with others, we never be the same.😢
Ntanzi do understand English because the Judge picked up on that because he answer questions before it was translated to Zulu.
U still need to learn
These lawyers are a disgrace to the Black Lawyers Association. They're so unprofessional and unethical. How can you question the appearance of a fellow lawyer for the accused? In the beginning they were saying he had never represented the accused, now there's proof in the form of a charge sheet that he had indeed appeared for the accused, but they still go on as if they're fishing in a cup of water.
I agree with you. Initially advocate Mngomezulu told the court that Ntanzi doesn't know Dominic Mjoyako
He is not over explaining. To show that he is not hiding anything ❤
It's crooks defending a crook
Simple
@loydisto🤣🤣🤣
Cross examination will tell us and most questions here are leading and the judge has pointed that out.
@@sbonelondlela9348 I am confident that Ntanzi will be cruising nicely
@@loydisto How do u knw he is a crook. It delusional people that go around saying ppl are crooks with no valid evidence
Who sent Mjiyakho to be Ntanzi s lawyer. Because it wasn't Ntanzi s family.
Gininda and company
All this was planned that none should touch the suspects except for them. Even when moved to other police stations still it was the same people, same service😢
Am giving an example of a patient admitted in a district hospital, transferred to another hospital and to another hospital again but the doctors and nurses are the same. Whats the use of transferring that patient😅
How do you know
Good question
this person knows his story maan i cant wait for this trial within a trial iphele
THE LADY BEHIND RAMOSEPELE...❤
What about her?
ngu Nkosikazi wakhe
@@liontau5193 she's working hard
This trial within a trial would not be complete if they dont call Mjiyakho
Uphi vrle yena
He won't come he's one of th dirty ppl in th justice department, dirty cops are working with him
Very dirty advocate
Cc@@thambo310-tr
The biggest question is why the prosecutor never called Mjiyako to testify
The ghost lawyer of Gininda. Like it or not Gininda is at the forefront of all those complications.
There should be an agreement form between the legal representative and a suspect. Where is it? If it’s not there, then the legal representative should not appear on the particular suspect.
It was proven that it was Ntanzi's own sister who hired Mjiyako.
@@Eishjo45proven by who and when?? The Special power of Attorney is supposed to be signed by the person who is being represented not his sister stop acting dumb.
@@sindiswamabunda5627I'll ignore the insult. People hire attorneys for family members who are in jail all the time. You Ntanzi groupies are exhausting with your tantrums on social media 😴
@@Eishjo45 And I am telling you as a person who works in litigation that the accused himself has to sign a Specia Power of Attorney giving that person the RIGHT to represent him. Even if the fees are paid by someone else you are still required to GIVE CONSENT. Atleast I am a groupie but I have common sense and know the basics of court proceedings wena you are just a clueless clown with a big mouth.
@@Eishjo45 The SPOA is phrased in this way "I the undersigned Sindiswa Rowena Mabunda... ID number... Do herebye nominate Mabunda Attorneys, constitute & appoint... and professional assistants.... than you write your address and date. There is no space for a next of kin as they are not the ones who will be represented at court. They can't even give him instruction, only you as the undersigned can do that.
Mjiyakho never visited him in the cells but pitched at tge court to represent Ntanzi. So strange. 😢 stay strong Ntanzi. Hopefully case 375 will be considered.
This narcissist criminal is lying, what about the people he has wronged? This man is a criminal never mind whether he is involved in Senzo's murder or not. You have a nerve to sympathize with criminals, what kind of a citizen are u?
It's always the case if you look at an accused person (black) with the eyes or mind of a white person your answer is he is a criminal
If Ntanzi says he was never asked any questions, i wonder what was on the recording recorded by magistrate .
😂Labafana Bayenza lento abakhulume iqiniso nje bona
Kuyacaca manje but ama followers abo bayabaphikela
Jaaa nheee
And the recording is about 3hour. What were they doing all this while? And the defence lawyers fought for the recording to not be usedd as evidence. According to Ntanzi, most of the is just silence
Ten past four
There is nothing wrong whn Ntanzi give hiz explanations, so as Gininda was explaining a lot
@linbenedictmdlalose
The state reason for asking if Advocate Mjiyakho will be called in as witness is
" If he's not to be called, by mentioning his name and the participation in the case will be tantamount to HEAR SAY evidence and the court will dismissed Ntanzi's version"
The state should get a fair chance to ask him "Mjiyakho" about his role as some aspects have been placed on record about him.
Sibiya and Nranzi speaks excellently. They should join the Eff because they are very vocal😮😮😮😂😂😂
thats crazy of you, why politics in this serious matter
Yes noo politics just plain down justice 4 Senzo n his family...however accused 1 n 2 speak very well n r highly humble n discipled 😊
In this matter it shows that Ghininda played a big role of lies.. and it shows that he deceived everyone 😂😅
Ginyimbila
@@braeemmaa😂😂😂😂
Gininda offered 3m. Mjiakho told ntanzi he has a 3m deal with the police. Ntanzi said he never signed a deal
Gininda says he did, if he did when was it presented in court. It must be presented in court and the judge will decide to accept it or not. Then sentence the accused without trial. So ntanzi signed a plea deal then pleaded not guilty. Still waiting for this to be unpacked
Mjiyakho and Gininda are one the offer comes from them and the deal was never signed
@@fradrickmandengu1533yes I believe it wasn't signed. gininda said it was but ntanzi wouldn't be on trial if he actually signed it.
GININDA denied ever offering Money. Says his department has no such budget
Obviously the money is not coming from him but Chico this is becoming clear now
@@mandy7168how did you arrive to that conclusion?
That observation by the judge "that the witness (Accused No2,) understands English" will count against him because on several occasions he said he doesn't understand English...and the body language of the judge was telling....9/2/2024
No it can't, even officer Mosia was interpreted, zulu it's his preferred language, it's his democratic right
He does understand some of things .but not competent. Everyone knows basic English language not that he is totally blank.that is why he got interpreter.
The judge was utterly wrong in his observation. It was the interpreter's mistake. It's even worse that the judge claims to understand all languages, but the interpreter is making a lot of errors. It also does not help that Ramosepele does not speak Zulu. I listened three times. He said ngiyezwa njengoba ungitshela, and the interpreter said I hear as it is read to me. The judge then said how do you hear cause it was read in English.
He understands Basic English, otherwise how was he able to read all the board signs?
Grade 10 from rural areas doesn't know
Ntanzi mfe2 inyembezi zenu ngeke ziwele phansi nibuzwile ubuhlungu
Ntanzi testified earlier that he terminated the services of Miyako and appointed someone else, how do you terminate the services of someone you never engaged?
Look at this scenario if Ntanzi terminated the services of 1st Attorney the 2nd Attorney should have present and that would have made it clear that 1st Attorney services where no longer required. If that was not the case, then he should have informed the court the Mijiakho no longer represented him and that he has a new attorney.
Just to add to that I watch a court case the other day when I child sex offender fired his Attorney in open court and told the Judge that he will defend himself. The Attorney immediately packed his bookcase and left. Simply as that!!
Ntanzi is well schooled. Only no I don't know.😢😢😢
There are a lot of inconsistencies in ntanzis testimony...
Unlawful arrest
😂😂😂
Actually criminals waist tax payers money,how long will this lawyers appear for them? Nkt saying accused r guilty.
It's quite ironic that he told the magistrate that he was denied to bath nd the judge didn't omit that to show that she (judge) was captured 😂😂 but denies everything else he said Ntanzi thinks we kids😂 no surprises though icala liyaphikwa
Tell me about it
Manje sophika nalekumele angakuphiki
UMantyi wayengeyedwa ngexesha ebuza uNtanzi wayenabanye abantu njani worse eCourt
Hence I said uphika almost yonk'into....and that makes a bed impression to the Court..9/2/2024
😂😂
Manje ukuthi uMantshi wayenabanye abaningi kusho ukuthi wamubuza?
Liars do that
Mjiakho would not be helpful to both the prosecution and the defence in this case. None of them will call him in as a preferred withness. If forced to, both parties would try to get him declared as a hostile witness and then cross examin him.
Mr Mjiyakho was introduced by the state in this court. Why Mr Mjiyakho was not made as a witness in court as from the beginning? Why now is Mr Ratsipile mentioned his name than Mr Tsibande want to call Mjikho. There is a lot of irregularities in this case. We as the citizen we waiting for truth. This battle is not going to end here. Judge Ratha got stigma over his head already for failing to conduct this case according.
" the gentleman that had a phone just stood there" wayehlezi ecofa iphoni. This interpreter is terrible.
I'm not Zulu but I'm not happy with him either he don't interprete things the way he should
The interpreter failed Ntanzi, so many things were misinterpreted.
You are 💯 correct
This judge is here to belittle the defence advocates
Trust me he is educating them alot about the law. The defense in most times unprepared and misinterpret procedure. They will come out better advocates from this trial.
I noticed something among witnesses,when you’re lying you over explaining, the way sibiya and Ntazi answered that’s the truth, you explain when necessary not every question
Because thy want to justify hheir lies 😂
I won't be deceived by criminals
These five Zulu victims
Are being represented by Mr. Mnisi ( a Ndebele)
Mr Ramusepidi ( a Tswana)
Ms. Mshololo, Mr. Mngomezulu and Mr advocate.... sorry i forgot his surname, my sincere apologies for that.
With this i want you to see how different tribes have become as one.
Mnisis are swazis not ndebeles
1:47:22 Listen to Ntanzi's voice, lying through his teeth
This case took too long for finality so Cele put pressure on these policemen & now the cracks are starting to show!!!
Ntanzi said a lot to Mjiyako, and later he learned that Mjiyako works with SAPS and now he's denying him
What is it that is a lot, that he said to Mjiyakho?
Mjiyako is an independent attorney
The truth of the matter is not what you know, it is what you can prove in the court of law if this guy is lying the state must prove it.
The judge is forcing the adjournment to make sure that Baloyi is available to take over the cross examination.
Just on Ntanzi and Mijiako the Attorney he didn't even had to inform the Magistrate he could have just told the Mijiako you are fired goodbye, and he would have packed his bag and told the Magistrate I no long represent this client!!
There is alot of confusion here
Not anymore it’s so clear what’s going on
state must call mr munjakonjako
They closed their case without calling him. Which now leaves it with the version of the accused regarding the discussions with him unchallenged. The court will have no option but to accept that he did not have instructions and he wasn’t acting in the best interest of his client(s)
Exactly
@@masilokoka6558 Ratha must call him then , he was quick to reply
The court has no jurisdiction in calling the witness. Baloyi heistheman to dicide. the state
@@zwelimkhize3071 the court can do that , Judge Ratha has power to do that
Cant this Ramasiphiri advocate stop leading Ntanzi instead rather ask him questions then quote on what is writen before him.
He’s not leading him. Remember accused persons did not make statements. So the leading of evidence would be different from Gininda & Co who made statements.
I always said in this trial, there are academic questions and academic answers unfortunately from the police you got academic answers but not moral answers
This Ramsipili always and easily withdraw anything the state objects, we wanted to hear the conversation of Ntanzi and Mjiyako from ntanzi and then hear from Mjiyako if they will say the same thing.
The attorney client privilege which is the field he doesn’t want to tap in as it’s dangerous
When the accused makes the case easy for the state and for conviction to be brought. Ya Ntanzi this is a court of law not street corner everything is recorded. The day of the confession on the corridor you were chit chatting and laughing with Mjiyako manje uyamjikela
You sound dumb, do you have proof of him chit chatting with him? Were you asleep when the Magistrate described his appearance in the hallway? Idiot.
i believe Sandiso shame
Eish
Ntanzi's voice on the questions with the magistrate has changed dramatically. Maybe he is tired or he knows very well that he is lying.
Ntanzi's recollection of events are very selective.....this is interesting
Is there something that you know and remember that accused no.2 doesn’t remember.
When he gets caught he says he doesn’t remember.
Unfortunately his recollection of events when taking the confession is even more shallow. Ramosepele is also struggling to traverse this portion.
Being born without a silver spoon is a curse the rich mess up and we are to pay for their deeds eish🥺We long waited to know how that bogus mjiyako came to the scene well done Rams🔥Wena 🦍 bring him and the relative he said he spoke to we dont want nonsense🤨Ntanzi TSWEETSWEE flow like this le ka cross examination o gakologelwe gotlhe,ALL we want is the truth and NOTHING else!Even a blind could see that niknaks already finalised ALL now its just an act💔
‘For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now I will arise,’ says the Lord; ‘I will set him in the safety for which he yearns’ ” (Psalm 12:5, NKJV).
@@siphosethu-x3z Ameeeeeeeeen!May the Lord intervene this is sad🙏🏿
Ntanzi is just a pathetic liar of note. A lay person can now tell that accuse number 1 and 2 know the truth since the evade critical questions.
I agree wth you, ths are hard core criminals who have in ths game long enough to fool everyone to believe their lies...
You sound like 1 of those that were inside the house when Senzo was shot
It’s true they’re liars pity we have people who believe they are innocent
Every in this case is corrupt they must go to jail for a long time
Except the accused?
Where is Mr mngomezulu
He has attempted murder, attempted arson, violating a protection order, child endangerment and assault charges to prepare for. I also think he fought with Ramosepidi after Ramo undermined him by objecting unnecessarily during cross examination of Ntanzi
I feel for this lad, asiphume manje kule trial within trial
These interpreters don't take the court serious. "bathing rice, iphi irice" 😂😂😂😂😂
Gininda is the one's who organized this criminal 😢😢
They don’t want to call mr mjiyako now 😂😂why ,why ,why ,why ,why and why
Uzokhuluma😂
Mjiyakho was a paid attorney, who paid him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ntanzi khuluma iqiniso mfana
Kelly
arize iphi lo rice
If he was alive I wonder what would Mabhena have said...May His Soul RIP...9/2/2024
Ratha must decide who is lying😮😮😮
This is a difficult one cos both parties are believable
Obviously police are lying poor lies
Yes. They are directly opposite versions
The magistrate and woman interpreter is more believable as they are independent third parties , who are brought in randomly and at the spur of the moment. They just happened to be available at the court at that moment.
@@Adjudicator246Independent third parties are also people, not machines, people aren't perfect, they can bend on threats, manipulation, bribes etc. Your view of the world is myopic, gullible and ignorant...you speak like a child...the world as you see it, isn't sweets and roses.
Im hearing something different from Ntanzi his telling the court something they put a plastic on him they did not beat her yet he always said they were kiking him 7an tubing him
Nthanzi and his defense team should have paid special attention on how to navigate the Magistrate's confession. The magistrate and woman interpreter are also being implicated as complicit by Nthanzi's responses. There is a recording of the confession that the magistrate could use to clear her name. She does not need the courts permission to publicly broadcast the recording as she was party to the discussion. Especially since the headlines will be accusing her of complicity.
I keep questioning myself about that. Magistrate is the one who raised issue of recording. Why would she do that if she did something wrong. I forsee state hammering on this. 3 hours talking about bathing. Mmmm
The recording was unlawful and it's originality cannot be confirmed. This is why the recording was not admitted as evidence
The word recording is used a lot here. My view is that since no one is specifically specifying the type of recording they are referring to that means any recording is lawful and can be allowed as evidence or be used by the judge to arrive at a certain ruling. Another thing people who are against the this recording are obviously denying themselves the truth.
@mcminmpofu129 Yes, it is not admisable in this court case. My point is that she will be vilified in public because of Nthanzi's version. She has the right to defend herself in public. She does not need anyone's permission.
@sbonelondlela9348 They could be depriving themselves of the truth, but also they could be actively burying the truth.
Umane uyamphika nje lomjiyako wati nje
Kanti le record yenziwe nini?
By 2020 june
Akhonto iwrongo ekuphikeni eCourt but ungasele uphike yonk'into....kwangoko uqale ungaqini umnqwazi...9/2/2024
Exactly, he is overdoing it.
Especially the Magistrate's confession process, which has a recording. They could have come up with a more plausible way of side stepping the magistrate's confession process.
Poor logic so you can't see this guy was framed
Manje uzovuma yonke into ngoba sekzoba unamanga uuphika u1-4 uvuma u5 uphika u 7-10
Ay wena
Manje uzovuma yonke into ngoba sekzoba unamanga uuphika u1-4 uvuma u5 uphika u 7-10
Ay wena
The 'we were framed' is too far fetched.
Police brutality is real
Defences strategy. Deny as much as possible 😢. Let the state disprove the evidence. Lots of new evidences. Conflict between client and lawyer.Srate would exploit that😢😢😢
😂Exactly
I have been thinking long and hard about this. A beautiful girlfriend and famous and have a child with a famous soccer player and a wife that is sitting at home watching all of this playing of in the media and everyone looking at her and shame mamma sorry to see this happening too you!! You the wife never going to get mad at the husband and girlfriend? What I think is that Kele Khumalo would have not wanted Senzo dead 1 she was in love with him and 2 I think Senzo was in love with her. If you wanted Senzo killed it would have never been in your house with your child there. I personally think the hit was to kill both Senzo and Kele!!
Kodwa ke no mndeni ka Ntanzi uzwe ngo July 2020 ukuthi uboshiwe baze bazomvakashela ngo March 2021 🤔🤔🤔
Then you ask yourself ukuthi they were so concerned about him that they get a lawyer for him yet they were not concerned enough to visit him. It doesn't make sense
It was covid days don't forget
Exactly Ngwane it was COVID times. But people are too quick to judge.
Mjiyako's name was introduced by the State
Ntanzi can read sign .He saw Alberton , Orlando but don't know the name of the police station. Police stations have distinct signage as u enter.? Sad😢😢😢😢
No1 Illiteracy has improved in SA,. Please we're not in the yr 1854, there's basic understanding, foundation phase of English - are you suggesting he can't read signs and words on mines, or road traffic signs..
No2. We know our police is politicized in South Africa and we can't say we have 100% clean police force
No3. There were moral problems or constitutional violations in this case.
I hope at the end truth wins
Translator is talking too much and always cutting Ntanzi short. Seems like it's his evidence,mmmxm😡
Senzo shall fight from his grave. He was not a goat that get slaughtered for pple to make merry....
Justice for meyiwas family that's all
Yazi mina bidingabuza u Ratha if bedingu accused 1 and 2 ukuthi engaba nexaki ukutholakala kwe footage ukuthi ngobani babe sifaka noku sikhipha kuma cell
@nthuthukodladla
😂😂😂😂 The lady she's beautiful, i know her by seeing her at the court in many occasions before this case 😂😂😂😂😂😂, mara hey dipeanut butter mo sefahlehong 🤦🏿
U Gininda Ma south African
*Just 2 days ago Ntanzi said GININDA came to apologize to him & offered him 3m. Now he's saying GININDA came to threaten him & offered to give him 3m* 🤔
Lying legs have no rhythm. He’s a liar of note
Kudlaliwe ngomfana wabantu isono Yaz... Gininda inja umgodoyi, bangaze bahlukumeze umtwana wabantu ngenxa yemali nje... Bonke labantu bakhe bathola ama promotions
If only he knew how to answer closed ended questions either with a yes or no.
And only explain when asked
In x-exam they will ask him “why” so he might as well explain as the defense can raise objections if he is misquoted
Ntanzi and his lawyer forget that this is court and this court has 50 years experience and intelligent to detect made up story😂😂😂😂😂😂, how can you dispute such crucial things.
The difficult part in ur statement is the state proving that the evidence given by the accused is made up.
Remember there is corroborating evidence “modus operandi” of Gininda & Co. tubing of accused persons. Starving. Tiring them etc.
😂😂😂
And let me tell you that man is really intelligent and doesn’t forget he is thorough
Eish Ramosepela is just too incompetent he asked questions and never listens at all to answers. Even judge had to help.me. he did not even ask why ntanzi signed
Ai the judge seems to have attention to detail and the defense has to rephrase everything because they pay attention to the interpreter than the accused. Language barrier a concern
The lawyer, police, magistrate and interpreter in all police station and courts were against him 😂
Iqiniso laphuma
Ntanzi participated .
There is a danger (for Ntanzi) with denying and everything that is said by the Officers of the law as a Lie, from Police, Piece Officer to Magistrates, then Doctors and other Witnesses. Because the implication is that all these people conspired to wrongfully smear you with the accusations and confessions...a Conspiracy Theory that will be very hard to convince the Judge. Instead it makes him looks like an unreliable witness...some may even call him a liar....especially considering that he keeps forgetting certain important things that he was asked but will be so adamant in answering seemingly miner detail such as the color details of the clothing he wore including denying the color of the COVID musk recorded by the Magistrate...
❤Truth
What are you trying to say, are you saying that he must agree with what he disputes in order for him to be a reliable witness. Those cops you are referring to, their testimonies were contradicting each other so should we rely on those. I think this guy's testimony is clear and straight to the point.
I agree with you. If he could proof that one of the people that took his statement illegally it will have an impact on his case but to say that everyone that interacted with him was lying. He now placed himself in a very difficult situation. The Dentist have signed a hypocritical oath and Mrs Cronje is a Magistrate. I would assume that both these individuals won't want their reputation as well as their careers be jeopardized. Plus, there was a court interpreter with Mrs Cronje as a witness for the State. He had ample time to make Mrs Cronje aware of the abuse and he didn't. If his hands where raw and scared with fresh wounds no Justice of the Piece will take your statement as you could be hold criminally liable for gross neglect of their duties as a court officer of law.
Ralasepedi is weak... He has no resilience like ngomezulu
Eish not assertive and easily swayed
Shem uMngomezulu wahamba kajalo
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Ntanzi forgot that thru Adv T Mngomezulu he put foward a version that "Mjiyako was not there in that office" then it necessitated that such version be disputed by Mrs Cronje and Evelyn Mothlaping (Mag & Interpreter)...If m wrong you can guillotine me guys...9/2/2024..
You are very right
The question by Mngomezulu was who called or inform Mjiakho
No you're wrong, Ntanzi never disputed Mjiyako's presence, not even through Mngomezulu, the only thing he disputed was his knowledge of the guy, which might really be true if you check the guys background.
@@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637 if he did not know Mjiyako why address his as Ntokozo Mjiyako because in court he was called Dominic, where did he get his second name if he doesn't know him?
@@slindileluthuli3905But Mr Ntanzi just said the guy introduced himself, so he knew what the guy told him his name was, still doesn't mean he knew the guy.
This guys lies are drowning him first through mngo he said he doesn’t know him jikijiki he was at court and during confession new version he brought up 3m issue bra just an advice you going down
how much did she(kelly) get from policy life insurance of zenso? that's where problem starts. this is a black goverment.
Ntanzi was refusing everything except signing and finger print and allow to be taken pictures while pointing 👉 😂 this guys will be charged state have enough prove against this guys
Ntanzi contridict himself too much
Is that all you got from today's proceedings, no wonder the world is sinking, it's people like you who refuse to think outside the box, sheeply mindset altogether.
Apho ndoyika khona uNtanzi uthi akazange abuzwe or axelelwe lutho yi Magistrate kodwa sonke siyakhumbula ukuba kwakune recording eyayenziwe yi Magistrate ngenkathi uNtanzi ebuzwa imibuzo ephendula kutsho ukuthi iCourt ayiyivuma ngoba uMantyi engazange amxelele uNtanzi ukuba ngexesha ephendula imibuzo uya record(wa) but today akukho netodwa into awayibuzwayo newayixelelwayo
Lokhu kokuthi owangena endlini wadubula wayefake golide ezinyweni kodwa uDokotela wathi akakaze alifake uNtanzi
Is he not referring to Ms Cronje when she was taking confession
That magistrate’s testimony and involvement will sink this guy. Theres no way that white woman was part of a conspiracy.
When did she testify I want to listen to it
@@etvscandalfanpage2011 uRamasipile ubuza uNtanzi nge Confession le yayi senziwa nguMrs Cronje uNtanzi uthi akaze aqalise kwa ukuphendula umbuzo oyi one kaMrs Cronje waphuma ngomnyango wahamba uthi kulapho oGininda bathatha la form bayomsayinisa kulondawo angayaziyo yiya kwi proceedings zanamhlanje uzova uRamasipile em lida
Ideal eyani 3m akenisichazela kahle ngayo iphumaphi kubani mjiyakho go to the arrested
Iphuma ku Gininda
U Gininda yena uyithath ngoba uHulumeni akana Mali
Thank you Zodwa and what would he gain from bribing nge 3m ? Moreover if this guy’s are falsely accused why 5and not at least 2 or 1
Don't forget that there are those fake gold teeth
😂😂😂😂😂Exactly
I like my duges even Ratha we are messed up too many degrees not valid
who paid everyone who testified against the accused 1 to 5
Is Bongani Kininda of cause, his the one who has been fortunate enough to be a friend with multimillionaire, so they spent money to distort the cese.
Now the state is no longer proving an accused people guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but defending a huge law suit against the state 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow your imagination is very wild 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where does he get the money? Where’s proof of that?
@@glendamashaba3472
1. One boy believed to be in the house when senzo was shot, never called to testify,
2. Alleged revolver gun was mistakenly used to kill senzo, issue took a 120° turn then a revolver turn to a pistol,
3. Only this one boy was brave enough to drift an armed robber for him to runaway,
4. A certain lady cleaned up the house to concealed the evidence,
5. Robbers did not took anything from the house, except Kelly 's phone,
6. Main characters a. Kelly and 2. Longwe are protected not to appear in court,
7. For both accused 1&2 it is alleged that life ammunition was found at their place of residence wrapped in a plastic,
8. How many saps units we have, that are capable to escorts even no: mamelodi Tsotsi, but thy choose metropolice 😳 wow
9. Presiding Officer is so arrogant and bias to the defence Advocates, etc
All this things happened to concealed the evidence to protect those were in the house
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