Voddie said “I choose to believe the Bible because it’s a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.”
@@brettbarager9101well people are eyewitnesses of each other all the time. The 12 disciples are eyewitnesses of each other of Jesus and so on. The Bible is a document of that over a huge period of time. I hope that makes sense
@@DesGardius-me7gf excellent come back! Exactly what I was thinking. Although don't get me wrong, the bible is the word of God. Jesus said I tell you these things before they come to pass so when they do come to pass you may believe that I am he. One simple way to find the dependability of the bible is look at history before it happened and when it did happen then believe this is called prophecy. The life of Jesus was dictated by prophecy its is only fair for us to study prophecy from Genesis to Revelation. Feel free to contradict me If felt i did wrong. I will attempt to answer the response or question. Blessings.
@@oreally8605 Atheist is a man made religious word created in the 1500s and proof of that is easy to look up / the female egg chooses the sperm, not the other way around and we ALL shared the emotions of our birth mothers by receiving ( chemical signals through the placenta ) therefore knowing her mental state LONG before Neale Donald Walsch took dictation and LONG before men picked up their first pen and LONG before humankind traditionally passed down stories from one generation to another. You use that word ( atheist ) in an attempt to force your folklores on people. ( Judaism myths Britannica ). Before the humankind attempted to control people through politics there has always been HUMAN's HISTORY and religion was only created by humankind throughout human history.
The bible is technically a collection of books written over thousands of years. It was only collated into one book a few hundred years after Jesus' death. And even then there were still debate on which books to include and which ones to leave out of the bible. So my question is this...When Paul wrote that ''all scriptures are God breathed''...which scriptures was he referring to because when he wrote that line the bible (as we know it today) did not even exist. He did not even know that a ''bible'' will exist in a few hundred years. So what scriptures was he referring to? Surely it can not be the bible as we know it today?
Yes, after doing some research on this topic I agree with you. He was probably referring to the old Hebrew Bible (old testament) and not the New Testament. (the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew bible).
You're interesting and knowledgeable thank you but, I still walk away with, Why do I need to believe that God just started talking to us 2k years ago? And what if I'm not worried about what happens after death. I know every non-believe says, I'm a 'good' person why do I need to be saved? and saved from what?
Honest question. The elephant in the room of the Bible seems to be creation, the lineage timeline established from Adam and Eve to Jesus and Noah’s ark. They seem to be written from the perspective of people that didn’t have the understanding of natural history we have the benefit of testing in the thousands of years since it was written. I would expect a divinely inspired text to be accurate in ways they wouldn’t have been able to comprehend at the time it was written. Do you know any resources that help to explain that discrepancy?
@@oreally8605 I’m referring to the age of the earth. The earth is billions of years old and we can find billions of years of life on earth in the fossil record before humans appeared. in Luke it gives the full lineage from Adam to Jesus in 76 generations. It refers to people living longer in the early ages but still on the magnitude of 1,000 years. So even if all 76 generations were 1,000 years how do you reconcile the miles of buried oceans and mountains beneath us filled with life that takes hundreds of millions of years to be deposited and eroded away?
@@oreally8605 lol the earth was already believed round before jesus was even born Check your facts, the bible is full of discrepancies, almost makes it look like it was written by several people over the course of centuries and not by a god or by divine guide
Science and religion were at war. Science and religion are always at war. Scientists didn’t write the Bible back then. But what if scientists scientists helped interpret the Bible for us now? I’ll bet we could start with having a higher level discussion around what it means to believe.
@@CaptainFights one thing I firmly believe is science and God are not at war. Science and religion may be but religion is people. There is nothing God wrote he doesn’t want us to uncover.
All books are written by man, but not all books are inspired by God as the author. If you can believe a college textbook or a news article, you can believe the Bible as God's written word as trustworthy. Your choice..
Well there was a Jewish man named Josephus who was born only 4 years after Jesus’s crucifixion and wrote about Jesus. His writings line up with what Jesus did in the New Testament, especially the Resurrection. You can search up about him. There are also manuscripts from Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, and many more.
So because the prophecies where “proven” in the bible it makes it true, is it possible that they made it up so they didn’t make prophets look stupid and before you bring up well god prophecies that the Roman Empire would fall but every empire to have even existed has fallen.
You SHOULDN'T. If you're on the outside looking in there are many passages not covered here that show the Bible to be scientifically incorrect. In addition it becomes clear over the totality of books (The Bible is a compilation) that disagreement existed between Biblical writers that shows up in the text. Is God of two minds? No, man is. That doesn't mean God can't speak throughout all the books it just means the books clearly have multiple contradictory statements about multiple important aspects of God. If it was all God's Word then it would be revealed and no question or controversy would remain as to what was meant. That isn't the case. If you're drawn to read The Bible just remember it wasn't written by you, to you, for you. It was written for specific people groups and even if you happen to be one of the ancestors it still isn't for you. This requires work on your part to understand how these groups would have written and understood these teachings, not necessarily the first impression you may get upon reading it. The Bible is unclear how anyone either comes to God, or rejects God as God himself is controlling you if you do and allowing you to go against him if you don't. Bottom line: good luck with understanding it because it doesn't make consistent internal sense and most times to be a Christian you're following faith and not necessarily The Bible. If you're still interested, check it out. It will require multiple other books and much time to sense like you have a handle on it.
@@jayrocky9067 The fact you didn't witness anything is significant. You have faith that your actions are as God would have for you but, that's not the same as asserting an event like the New Testament describes ever happened.
The Bible is the TRUTH. And JESUS is the TRUTH. The living human Bible for the whole world to see. Divine in human form. If YHWH was to come and live as a human, as a man on earth. Which he did in the form of his only begotten son. "Emmanuel" -God is with us. It is exactly what JESUS/YESHUA was and is and is to come was...
@@oreally8605 I used to be christian n attended church 2-3 times a week for 25+ years. If u want an honest discussion tho, Des Gardius 2012 has his point. Just becoz hes criticising the video to be a bunch of circular arguments, does not mean one has to agree everything came from nothingness or that he does not believe in some higher power. I was just discussing with my husband, for example the "peter deny Jesus 3 times - was shortly fulfilled" (as the video stated, therefore we should believe the Bible to be true etc @5:46) This is NOT an evidence. The author could have recorded something that Jesus said to be true. This however does not prove the whole book is true nor everything that Jesus said is true. I don't wanna write an essay here so this is enough for now. Please be civil and not rude.
@@birdieculture You never were a follower of jesus christ... you were religious.. that's why you live the way you do now.. but it's not to late for you.. I will pray for you
@@andreius3336 I know. Jay never knew me. I was also THE person answering christianity related questions on Yahoo knowledge plus, a forum run by yahoo back in 200x. I responded to questions EVERYDAY for 3 whole years. The most no. of questions i answered in a day was 60. SIXTY. I genuinely wonder how devoted Jay is regarding christianity. If hes civil and logical he'd have responded to the question, and not attack me instead
@@oreally8605 While that's Biblically sound ideologically it's also a reality that fools become convinced the Bible is true. Fools can become convinced of many things and there are different kinds of fools.
@@leoashura8086 So, people are either manipulated by God or world leaders? This dilemma isn't a great one and how can you even confirm it's true? I don't believe it's one or the other believers and unbelievers are both controlled by world leaders while having divergent viewpoints
@@razorbeard6970 Do you even understand the message of jesus? It ain't no manipulation, it's a way of life. Even the law for atheists come from God. "Shall not kill, shall not Rob" etc. God applied these laws since ancient times.
@@leoashura8086 Leo, I'm sorry you don't understand the faith. It's about being controlled by a superior spirit and imperfectly accomplishing the will of that being. It IS a life and that life is filled with Godly manipulation. You believe God provides the basis for laws and morality. There's nothing to support this belief historically but you're free to follow.
First, the word is "important" not "impor unt" as you millennials pronounce it (for reasons that are unclear to me). Second, don't play club music when giving a message like this.
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Voddie said “I choose to believe the Bible because it’s a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.”
"Eyewitnesses of eyewitnesses" does not make sense!
@@brettbarager9101well people are eyewitnesses of each other all the time. The 12 disciples are eyewitnesses of each other of Jesus and so on. The Bible is a document of that over a huge period of time. I hope that makes sense
It changes you.
This background song goes hard
Jesus affirmed it… that’s enough for me
By that logic, _The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise_ must be true, because Palpatine affirmed it in Episode III.
That's circular reasoning.
@@DesGardius-me7gf excellent come back! Exactly what I was thinking.
Although don't get me wrong, the bible is the word of God.
Jesus said I tell you these things before they come to pass so when they do come to pass you may believe that I am he.
One simple way to find the dependability of the bible is look at history before it happened and when it did happen then believe this is called prophecy.
The life of Jesus was dictated by prophecy its is only fair for us to study prophecy from Genesis to Revelation.
Feel free to contradict me If felt i did wrong. I will attempt to answer the response or question.
Blessings.
@@oreally8605 I don't know, therefore god.
@@oreally8605 Atheist is a man made religious word created in the 1500s and proof of that is easy to look up / the female egg chooses the sperm, not the other way around and we ALL shared the emotions of our birth mothers by receiving ( chemical signals through the placenta ) therefore knowing her mental state LONG before Neale Donald Walsch took dictation and LONG before men picked up their first pen and LONG before humankind traditionally passed down stories from one generation to another. You use that word ( atheist ) in an attempt to force your folklores on people. ( Judaism myths Britannica ). Before the humankind attempted to control people through politics there has always been HUMAN's HISTORY and religion was only created by humankind throughout
human history.
Bible is best
You misspelled bullshit.
Bible is bollocks
you come to a video of god to be a dh? for what reason?
Fist pump for Jesus
The bible is technically a collection of books written over thousands of years. It was only collated into one book a few hundred years after Jesus' death. And even then there were still debate on which books to include and which ones to leave out of the bible. So my question is this...When Paul wrote that ''all scriptures are God breathed''...which scriptures was he referring to because when he wrote that line the bible (as we know it today) did not even exist. He did not even know that a ''bible'' will exist in a few hundred years. So what scriptures was he referring to? Surely it can not be the bible as we know it today?
Probably the Septuagint.
Yes, after doing some research on this topic I agree with you. He was probably referring to the old Hebrew Bible (old testament) and not the New Testament. (the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew bible).
So the rest is fanfiction
You're interesting and knowledgeable thank you but, I still walk away with, Why do I need to believe that God just started talking to us 2k years ago? And what if I'm not worried about what happens after death. I know every non-believe says, I'm a 'good' person why do I need to be saved? and saved from what?
Honest question. The elephant in the room of the Bible seems to be creation, the lineage timeline established from Adam and Eve to Jesus and Noah’s ark. They seem to be written from the perspective of people that didn’t have the understanding of natural history we have the benefit of testing in the thousands of years since it was written. I would expect a divinely inspired text to be accurate in ways they wouldn’t have been able to comprehend at the time it was written. Do you know any resources that help to explain that discrepancy?
@@oreally8605 I’m referring to the age of the earth. The earth is billions of years old and we can find billions of years of life on earth in the fossil record before humans appeared. in Luke it gives the full lineage from Adam to Jesus in 76 generations. It refers to people living longer in the early ages but still on the magnitude of 1,000 years. So even if all 76 generations were 1,000 years how do you reconcile the miles of buried oceans and mountains beneath us filled with life that takes hundreds of millions of years to be deposited and eroded away?
@@oreally8605 lol the earth was already believed round before jesus was even born
Check your facts, the bible is full of discrepancies, almost makes it look like it was written by several people over the course of centuries and not by a god or by divine guide
Check out the TH-cam channel Answers in Genesis
Science and religion were at war. Science and religion are always at war. Scientists didn’t write the Bible back then. But what if scientists scientists helped interpret the Bible for us now? I’ll bet we could start with having a higher level discussion around what it means to believe.
@@CaptainFights one thing I firmly believe is science and God are not at war. Science and religion may be but religion is people. There is nothing God wrote he doesn’t want us to uncover.
Why has this got a 90s dance tune in the background?
My problem is how do you believe a book written by men and then edited by men and kings to say what they want to have it say?
And how about a lot of people didn't read and write and they didn't have a printing press? So how did these books come together to make the bible?
All books are written by man, but not all books are inspired by God as the author. If you can believe a college textbook or a news article, you can believe the Bible as God's written word as trustworthy. Your choice..
Prove it was inspired by god.. before you answer I’ll help. You can’t say because the Bible says so. Okay go!
There is so much evidence about
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Well there was a Jewish man named Josephus who was born only 4 years after Jesus’s crucifixion and wrote about Jesus. His writings line up with what Jesus did in the New Testament, especially the Resurrection. You can search up about him. There are also manuscripts from Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, and many more.
Argument defeated within seconds. He says he’ll explain “from a biblical perspective”. The Bible cannot be proof of itself.
I agree. He did say further on that circular reasoning is not good enough, so perhaps he was using that as a starting point.
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Why should i believe the bible ?
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This is ridiculous! If this was a sophomore’s term paper, it would earn an “F.”
So because the prophecies where “proven” in the bible it makes it true, is it possible that they made it up so they didn’t make prophets look stupid and before you bring up well god prophecies that the Roman Empire would fall but every empire to have even existed has fallen.
You SHOULDN'T. If you're on the outside looking in there are many passages not covered here that show the Bible to be scientifically incorrect. In addition it becomes clear over the totality of books (The Bible is a compilation) that disagreement existed between Biblical writers that shows up in the text. Is God of two minds? No, man is. That doesn't mean God can't speak throughout all the books it just means the books clearly have multiple contradictory statements about multiple important aspects of God. If it was all God's Word then it would be revealed and no question or controversy would remain as to what was meant. That isn't the case. If you're drawn to read The Bible just remember it wasn't written by you, to you, for you. It was written for specific people groups and even if you happen to be one of the ancestors it still isn't for you. This requires work on your part to understand how these groups would have written and understood these teachings, not necessarily the first impression you may get upon reading it.
The Bible is unclear how anyone either comes to God, or rejects God as God himself is controlling you if you do and allowing you to go against him if you don't. Bottom line: good luck with understanding it because it doesn't make consistent internal sense and most times to be a Christian you're following faith and not necessarily The Bible. If you're still interested, check it out. It will require multiple other books and much time to sense like you have a handle on it.
Jesus Christ lived, died and rose to life again three days after his death. Over 500 witnessed this Historical Event.
@@jayrocky9067 One man claiming 500 people witnessed something is not the same as 500 people actually witnessing something.
@@jayrocky9067 YOU did not witness anything.
@@razorbeard6970 Praying for you.. ❤️🙏🏽✝️
@@jayrocky9067 The fact you didn't witness anything is significant. You have faith that your actions are as God would have for you but, that's not the same as asserting an event like the New Testament describes ever happened.
Pls don't put the song it's wierd
Now tell me about Superman and Batman
Made by Marvel? Bible is made by God? There’s a difference bro
The Bible is the TRUTH. And JESUS is the TRUTH. The living human Bible for the whole world to see. Divine in human form. If YHWH was to come and live as a human, as a man on earth. Which he did in the form of his only begotten son. "Emmanuel" -God is with us. It is exactly what JESUS/YESHUA was and is and is to come was...
Just a bunch of circular arguments.
@@oreally8605 I used to be christian n attended church 2-3 times a week for 25+ years. If u want an honest discussion tho, Des Gardius 2012 has his point. Just becoz hes criticising the video to be a bunch of circular arguments, does not mean one has to agree everything came from nothingness or that he does not believe in some higher power.
I was just discussing with my husband, for example the "peter deny Jesus 3 times - was shortly fulfilled" (as the video stated, therefore we should believe the Bible to be true etc @5:46) This is NOT an evidence. The author could have recorded something that Jesus said to be true. This however does not prove the whole book is true nor everything that Jesus said is true.
I don't wanna write an essay here so this is enough for now. Please be civil and not rude.
@@birdieculture You never were a follower of jesus christ... you were religious.. that's why you live the way you do now.. but it's not to late for you.. I will pray for you
@@oreally8605 atheists dont say that
@@jayrocky9067 the classic argument, "you were never a true Christian", like if you can know
@@andreius3336 I know. Jay never knew me. I was also THE person answering christianity related questions on Yahoo knowledge plus, a forum run by yahoo back in 200x. I responded to questions EVERYDAY for 3 whole years. The most no. of questions i answered in a day was 60. SIXTY.
I genuinely wonder how devoted Jay is regarding christianity. If hes civil and logical he'd have responded to the question, and not attack me instead
Very unconvincing... The bible makes us look bad because then people can control humanity to reach "salvation"
@@oreally8605 While that's Biblically sound ideologically it's also a reality that fools become convinced the Bible is true. Fools can become convinced of many things and there are different kinds of fools.
Atheist are blind to the real world and manipulated by the world leaders. Men of god, do not be controlled by humanity.
@@leoashura8086 So, people are either manipulated by God or world leaders? This dilemma isn't a great one and how can you even confirm it's true? I don't believe it's one or the other believers and unbelievers are both controlled by world leaders while having divergent viewpoints
@@razorbeard6970 Do you even understand the message of jesus? It ain't no manipulation, it's a way of life. Even the law for atheists come from God. "Shall not kill, shall not Rob" etc. God applied these laws since ancient times.
@@leoashura8086 Leo, I'm sorry you don't understand the faith. It's about being controlled by a superior spirit and imperfectly accomplishing the will of that being. It IS a life and that life is filled with Godly manipulation. You believe God provides the basis for laws and morality. There's nothing to support this belief historically but you're free to follow.
What a crock, stop lying to yourselves and others because it makes you feel better. Grow up.
First, the word is "important" not "impor unt" as you millennials pronounce it (for reasons that are unclear to me). Second, don't play club music when giving a message like this.
Pronunciation changes from place to place.. so it's not really "wrong".
@@Mavors1099 It's sloppy and lazy.
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No, it's not, it's not even wrong .
@@Mavors1099 I'm guessing you are like 26?
@@alohaohana901
My age is irrelevant. But if we're guessing, I guess you're a boomer.