📜 Can We Trust the Bible? Tom 'NT' Wright on Bible infallibility, tradition and slavery 🧩 📚

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  • @jasonthomas9746
    @jasonthomas9746 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Love listening to NT. Im an 80s kid, its like being back at school with a great teacher. Thank you.

  • @perussaataja
    @perussaataja 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    We really need new seasons of Ask NT Wright anything!😍

  • @chimamberede288
    @chimamberede288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thank you NT Wright

  • @vngelicath1580
    @vngelicath1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    C.S. Lewis hated the description "inerrant" too...
    It really comes down to your definition and what intellectual baggage is being assumed in the terminology. Certainly Bishop Wright is not trying to deny the authority of the scriptures. And he is adamant on the centrality of the resurrection of Christ to the Christian religion -- so whatever his opinion on the mechanics of Biblical authority, he's thoroughly in good company.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But effectively he is denying the authority of Scripture, as is anyone else who denies the historicity of Genesis 1-11.

    • @graysonguinn1943
      @graysonguinn1943 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martinploughboy988thus spoke the great prophet ken ham

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@graysonguinn1943 Many people have pointed out what the Bible says. If you don't accept what the Bible says, how can you be a Christian?

    • @graysonguinn1943
      @graysonguinn1943 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinploughboy988 the issue isn’t believing the Bible, since the content of what is teaching is what’s in dispute not its authority

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@graysonguinn1943 The content is perfectly clear, a six day Creation ~6000 years ago followed by a global flood which destroyed all land based life except for that on the Ark.

  • @skipcadorette5077
    @skipcadorette5077 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent discussion on the nature of scripture. I so appreciate the good work of Jason and the amazing contributions to my biblical understanding by N. T. Wright. How I would love to have a cup of tea with the man- either of them.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's notable that both ignore the Scripture's command that excludes women from positions of authority & the historicity of Genesis 1-11. In other words, they only accept Scripture if it agrees with their opinion.

    • @skipcadorette5077
      @skipcadorette5077 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martinploughboy988 The real challenge is the "commands" excluding women and the evidence in Acts and in Paul's letters that women definitely held leadership positions in the church.
      That's the issue that needs balancing.
      Personally I will always lean toward the equality of male and female as pictured in Gen 1 & 2 and Galatians 3:28. Especially as this "doctrine of leadership" is not an essential of the Faith.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@skipcadorette5077 Genesis 1 & 2 show that men & women have different roles, it isn't about equality. Salvation, which is what Gal 3:28 is talking about, is about equality.. There is no evidence that women held leadership positions in either Acts or Paul's letters.
      Since we have a direct command & the churches that have given women positions of authority have failed to uphold the faith, it is more essential than you think.

  • @KevinGDrendel
    @KevinGDrendel วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is so insightful!

  • @rdrift1879
    @rdrift1879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Have you not read what was spoken to you by God..." --- Jesus

    • @CMA418
      @CMA418 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      NT: "How do we know about God? We know about God by looking at Jesus. Yes, and we know about Jesus by looking at scripture."
      Me: And how do we know about scripture?

  • @NUdude
    @NUdude หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great questions and answers 👍🏻!! Thanks for producing thought provoking content like this.

  • @philochristos
    @philochristos 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is there a place to submit questions to NT Wright?

  • @Ben_G_Biegler
    @Ben_G_Biegler 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is fantastic!

  • @anthonyq2354
    @anthonyq2354 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Was reading a church father today on olivet discourse, he says its all about Jerusalem, i generally agree, then says 'this generation' meant the church...they didnt know everything. In fact with the exception of augustine i dont hold many in high regard anymore

  • @timtrewyn453
    @timtrewyn453 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Dr. Donald Lake, Wheaton College, proposed in the 1980/1981 academic year that the Bible is inerrant in what it intends to teach.

  • @franklongo4970
    @franklongo4970 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Doubt is in the order of decision or existence. Difficulty is in the order of intelligence.

  • @ronaldgouda
    @ronaldgouda 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was helpful!

  • @soloscriptura
    @soloscriptura 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The problem with appealing to Jesus as a way of getting around inerrancy is that Jesus himself contradicts you Dr. Wright.
    In order to refute the false doctrine of the Sadducees and therefore prove the truth of the doctrine of eternal life, Jesus doesn't merely rely on an Old Testament book being inerrant, nor an Old Testament chapter being inerrant, nor a verse, nor even a word. Jesus relies on the tense of a verb being inerrant ("am" not "was" Matt. 22:32) !
    The tense of the verb refutes the Sadducees and proves the truth of eternal life.
    If that's not proof that Jesus believed that not only every word but even every verb tense is inerrant I don't know what does.

    • @glowmentor
      @glowmentor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Brilliant. Bravo. I’m not convinced by NTW.

    • @soloscriptura
      @soloscriptura 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@glowmentor That's not his only error. He says at 11:55 :
      "You see in the Bible itself the phrase the Word of God doesn't refer to the Bible. The the primary Word of God is Jesus".
      (i) They are not mutually exclusive. The bible is the written expression of the Word. Both (the bible and Jesus) are therefore correctly called the Word of God.
      (ii) He's simply wrong. Has he never read the bible ?
      The bible does refer to itself as the Word of God
      Jesus refers to his bible (the Old Testament) as the Word of God, Matt. 15:6 :
      "....They are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition".
      And Paul calls the bible both the sword of the Spirit and the Word of God, Ephesians 6 :17
      "Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God".
      For a doctor he's very ignorant.

    • @vngelicath1580
      @vngelicath1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@soloscripturaThe Bible is the "Word of God written" in a derived sense from the proper sense being the incarnate Word of God.

    • @rdrift1879
      @rdrift1879 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, Jesus believed in "truth" like we do, not like Prof. Wright wishes He did.

    • @soloscriptura
      @soloscriptura 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@vngelicath1580 Jesus refers to his written bible (our Old Testament) as the Word of God. That's the Word of God incarnate calling those writings the Word of God. That'll do for me.

  • @StewpidGames
    @StewpidGames 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Starting from a presupposition of infallibility just makes the whole exercise completely useless.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would you expect what God has spoke to be other than infallible?

    • @StewpidGames
      @StewpidGames 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@martinploughboy988 - You are starting with another baseless presupposition. Provide some evidence for your claim that a god spoke anything and that the bible is not purely man made.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@StewpidGames Since you know God exists, why is it implausible that He should communicate with His creation?

    • @StewpidGames
      @StewpidGames 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martinploughboy988 - Another unsubstantiated presupposition. How do you know god exists?

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@StewpidGames Everyone knows God exists.

  • @IOSARBX
    @IOSARBX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Premier Unbelievable?, You're awesome! Let's be friends, okay?

  • @justinpeterburford
    @justinpeterburford หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great episode Justin.

  • @barriehoman3833
    @barriehoman3833 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "truth depends on how you read the bible." Translation: I can make it mean whatever I like.

  • @ourclarioncall
    @ourclarioncall 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh dear
    Where are the true shepherds today 😭

  • @billyhooks99
    @billyhooks99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

  • @Thomas-bq4ed
    @Thomas-bq4ed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I actually find Wright rather shifty, because he will just find every issue a beautiful accident. It will just all be fine in the end, and it’s far more theological and faith based than some kind of historical document.
    Clearly he thinks it’s from God, so the issue falls on the reader, never on the book. Comes across as a utilitarian as well, as he thinks it’s a useful tool that changes lives, but really has nothing to do with accuracy.

  • @user-qf2ro3bd3s
    @user-qf2ro3bd3s หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wasn’t aware that Thomas Jefferson removed trunks of the Bible. Is there more available information to find out what part of the Bible he removed? Thank you.

    • @CMA418
      @CMA418 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He created "The Jefferson Bible". He had no intention of it being published as it was for his private use. He mentions it in a letter to Benjamin Rush(if I remember correctly). If you haven't read them, the letters between Jefferson and Rush and Jefferson and Adams are fascinating reads. They can be found in the US archives online.
      Excerpt:
      Adams to Jefferson January 23, 1825
      "We think ourselves possessed-or at least we boast that we are so-of Liberty of conscience on all subjects and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact. There exists I believe throughout the whole Christian world a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or to doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the old and new Testaments from Genesis to Revelations...in America it is not much better, even in our Massachusetts…A law was made in the latter end of the last century repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the old Testament or new...I think such laws a great embarassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. The substance and essence of Christianity as I understand it is eternal and unchangeable and will bear examination forever but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination and they ought to be separated."

  • @user-gr3oo5ux9x
    @user-gr3oo5ux9x 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about the other christianties very different from the Pauline Christianity stuff?

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are no 'other christianities'.

  • @gregoryrice9998
    @gregoryrice9998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about the Society of Jesus interfering with, Bible translation?

    • @bobsimons2663
      @bobsimons2663 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please share more about this so-called Society of Jesus since it’s not a common group or expression.

    • @gregoryrice9998
      @gregoryrice9998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Society of Jesus aka Jesuits were started by Ignatius Loyola about 1540. Read Codeword Barbelon for a detailed history of the Jesuits.

    • @gregoryrice9998
      @gregoryrice9998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch Tares Among the Wheat to see how the Jesuits influenced Bible translation

    • @josevalverde7431
      @josevalverde7431 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why they didn't changed the sabbath in exodo 20?​@@gregoryrice9998

  • @gregoryrice9998
    @gregoryrice9998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can I know which Hebrew Greek and translated texts are precise and accurate?

    • @josevalverde7431
      @josevalverde7431 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is an old question,

    • @ourclarioncall
      @ourclarioncall 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I would not waste too much time with Greek/hevrew etc
      Just get a King James Bible and trust what it says in English is correct
      The key is to desire truth
      God can lead you into it if your willing . Not everyone is
      The key is not to play with your food , just eat it (read it consistently) and God will guide you and give revelation
      You could get ten Greek scholars to pick about the bible and come about with ten different things and all be convinced they are right and have convincing arguments why they are right.
      If you really want answers you can fast and pray . That demonstrates to yourself and God how much you really do want the truth of a matter and not what is comfortable or popular . God has spoken to me many times

    • @josevalverde7431
      @josevalverde7431 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ourclarioncall I love it, it's my loved Bible, in portuguese I read , ACF. Spanish, I read Cipriano de Reina Valeira.

  • @MrMattbirt
    @MrMattbirt 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Why is this even up for debate?

  • @mdug7224
    @mdug7224 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The compilation is full of historical and compatibility errors but just like the epic of Gilgamesh, it starts off with ignorance and brutal recklessness and follows a saga to realisation that ones actions in this world are our legacy.
    Even Harry Potter and Spiderman have motifs we can grow from.

  • @aaronmilavec1579
    @aaronmilavec1579 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dr. N.T. Wright is a master of the Scriptures, but he fails to notice that the events of the bible took place at a time when science was still very archaic. Let me use the ascension as an example:
    Part 1: DID JESUS GET CHILLED WHEN HE WAS TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN??? WAS HE FROZEN AT 7500 FEET???
    “Whether you can observe a thing or not depends on the theory/theology which you use.” (Albert Einstein)
    Anyone who understands (a) that the atmospheric gasses surrounding our Earth thin out as one increases in elevation and (b) that, with the reduction in air pressure, the perceived temperature falls at approximately 5 degrees Fahrenheit for every thousand feet, knows that the writer of Acts was entirely oblivious of this. If he were aware of this phenomenon, then he would never have allowed that “Jesus . . . has been taken up from you into heaven [on a cloud]” (Acts 1:11). For this to have happened, Jesus would first suffer from oxygen deprivation. At the same time, Jesus would also suffer from dropping temperatures. This is why those who climb Mt. Everest (29,000 ft. elevation) have to protect themselves from the thinning air and the sub-zero temperatures.
    For the writer of Acts and for his readers at the time as well, these dangers were entirely non-existent because they had no understanding of the Earth’s atmosphere that would have made such hazards apparent. Nor did they have mountain climbers or sufficiently tall mountains to make these effects apparent to them. Mt. Sinai is 7500 feet above sea level. If Moses had climbed to the top, he would have noted that the temperature was noticeably cooler (by 38 degrees).
    When I hiked 7.2 miles down into the Grand Canyon from the North rim, I began at 6 p.m. and arrived at 8:35 p.m. As I moved, I distinctly noticed that the air became warmer. Since the sun was setting, you might ordinarily think that the temperature should become cooler. True, the temperature at the rim was falling. But, for every 1000 feet I descended, I was gaining five degrees in temperature (which exceeded the cooling effect due to the setting of the sun). For the last three miles, the heat was stifling. I stripped down to my swim suit. I was covered with sweat. At the banks of the Colorado River, I had descended 5500 feet below my starting point, and the air temperature was 28 degrees higher due to the elevation effect.
    From this experience, I can safely suggest that Moses did not go to the top of Mt. Sinai in a single day. Given that he was 80 years old at the time, I would be surprised if he went up more than two thousand feet. A temperature change of 10 degrees could be seen as normal, especial because he was a slow climber. When I descended into the Canyon, I was quite fit and 32 years old. I was also descending on a well-worn switch-back trail that made my progress even easier.
    This thought experiment was done by way of illustrating why the temperature effect and the change of air pressure went unnoticed during the entire biblical period. Thus, it was entirely normal that no one was worried about Jesus when he was taken up on a cloud into heaven (Acts 1:11). When these texts are read today by scientifically-informed readers, it is only natural that concerns about Jesus’ safety will arise. "Poor Jesus," my twelve-year-old daughter says to me, "he must have been frozen solid before he got to 7500 feet."
    Part 2: Was Jesus using a cloud-taxi during his ascension?
    "Every belief works in the mind of the believer" (Michael Polanyi).
    The biblical writers see clouds as God’s swift chariot (cf. also Ps. 18:9; 104:3; Isa. 19:1; Dan. 7:13; Nah. 1:3; 1 Thess. 4:17). If we stop to reflect on this, we can imagine that people who never had the opportunity to fly in an airplane as it passed near or through clouds might easily be persuaded that clouds were quite substantial and easily able to transport their passengers. When meeting with Moses on Mount Sinai, God uses a cloud to hide himself from Moses, lest he see his face and die (Exod 33:19-20). The tacit assumption here is that God uses a cloud to travel from his throne in heaven to Mount Sinai. Cloaked in the same cloud, God hides his face. Likewise, when Jesus’ return is mentioned elsewhere, he is presenting as making use of cloud-transport (Matt. 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26; 14:62; Luke 21:27; 1 Thess. 4:17; Rev. 1:7).
    This thought experiment was done by way of illustrating how archaic science undergirds the events of the bible. Even God and Jesus had to make use of cloud-taxis. When we read the bible on a transatlantic flight, we never think of how our Boeing 747 cuts right through clouds. The biblical translators had no idea how to get the archaic science out of these texts. So, what did they do? They kept the archaic "swift chariots" just as the ancient text would have it and they hoped that no one would notice how "scientifically absurd" they were being.
    My twelve-year old daughter says to me, "Poor Jesus! He's up to 5000 feet when he notices that there are only whisps of water vapor supporting him. He immediately gets pulled toward the earth in a free-fall. Yipes! Get him a parachute."
    ======================================================
    I love N.T. Wright and entirely support his reading of Scripture. Wright is not the problem here. The problem is that modern science grew up outside of the seminaries and theological think-tanks. No one thought that modern science had to be taken into account when interpreting the bible. So, my two case studies show how hasardous this approach has become today. Just imagine how some atheist like Richard Dawkins would make mince-meat out of my beloved N.T. Wright just using the two case studies suggested above. This cannot be SOLVED by using a few slick slogans (such as "Put Jesus at the Center, and everything else fits perfectly around Him....) N.T. Wright, I'm calling you to get deeper and to go further on this issue. If you can't do it, I'm afraid no one else can.
    JMJ, pray for us,
    Aaron Milavec

  • @gregoryrice9998
    @gregoryrice9998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watch Tares Among the Wheat to see how the Jesuits influenced Bible translation

  • @johnpro2847
    @johnpro2847 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "The Word of God" is an advertising slogan..not meant to be the actual word of God, "Things go better with Coke" is another successful advertising slogan. I like "The nicest people ride a Honda"...amen

  • @kevinbailey1584
    @kevinbailey1584 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Stop interrupting Tom's answers. It's not about the moderator. Often Tom ties up his point and just before finishing, another question or comment is offered.

    • @jamesbarksdale978
      @jamesbarksdale978 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I found it to be a terrific interview, a respectful interchange of thoughts and ideas.

  • @louisvega-oe2sc
    @louisvega-oe2sc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3Timothy 16-17..... can it be more clear than that?..

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2 Timothy?

    • @louisvega-oe2sc
      @louisvega-oe2sc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinploughboy988 my err, I meant 2timothy 3:16..

    • @louisvega-oe2sc
      @louisvega-oe2sc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinploughboy988 my error, I punched in the the wrong number, my appologies.. it's 2timothy 3:16

    • @CMA418
      @CMA418 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes it can be more clear than that. When Timothy was written there was not New Testament canon yet.

    • @louisvega-oe2sc
      @louisvega-oe2sc 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CMA418 it's about the Spirit, Zechariah 4:6 as long as God rules, it's about the Spirit!

  • @arthuroldale-ki2ev
    @arthuroldale-ki2ev 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They are good for propping up a table, if one leg is shorter than the others, to stand on to reach a high shelf, I can`t really think of any thing else.

    • @1754Me
      @1754Me 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Actually all of your books at some time go there since you can’t read and are unable to afford a new table or a ladder.

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The other good reason , is to keep silly folks like you, who struggle to think , as you say, get clarity on what you have to do, to make it to the next level when departing from your tent, which will leave you in a vertical free fall shoul u not have paid attention to that manual especially John 3 v1-7 and grasped it's complex simple information for dummies.

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@1754Me😂😂😂😂

    • @Deathwish026
      @Deathwish026 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@1754Me oof that's a level of butthurt i thought unachievable..

    • @radscorpion8
      @radscorpion8 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@1754Me lol a person who can't read but is capable of typing intelligible sentences. That's a funny trick

  • @JohnQPublic11
    @JohnQPublic11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You can trust the Bible; you just can't trust a Calvinist's interpretation of it.

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can we trust an ancient story of a failed god, a talking snake and an apple of forbidden knowledge?

    • @ourclarioncall
      @ourclarioncall 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Time doesn’t change truth
      Talking serpent not snake . And a taking donkey. Parrots can talk by the way . I tend to think the serpent and donkey were supernatural (which the bible is full of)
      Actually talking snakes should be supported by evolution, are we not talking apes ? But wait , why are there no apes that can talk ? Hmm
      The bible does not mention an apple , a mistake made by people who have not read the Bible or paid attention. It says fruit . And Adam and Eve made aprons out of fig leaves so that might be a clue but it might not , the bible doesn’t say .
      Where did God fail ? He gave freewill , it’s up to us to use it correctly, otherwise you have to make robots that can’t love
      What you can trust is God Himself . He will reveal Himself personally to you once you repent and put your faith in His Son
      Then once you KNOW God personally you will trust his Words , character and integrity

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can we trust the Qur'an ?
    I hope it is true in every detail.
    Especially the fate of non-believers. (surah 4:56)

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An intriguing statement about the fate of non-believers in Surah An-Nisa 4.56. However, more intriguing is Surah (ch.) 4.157: "...and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they [the Jewish leaders] neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so.(note 1) Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him." Note 1 does not disclose the real reason for the claims that Jesus was spared crucifixion. But, in the commentary on the Quran, it is JUDAS who is crucified--not Jesus. Even in Islamic doctrine, Jesus is taken up into the heavens by God (although spared from being killed). So whether Jesus did die and rise again, or spared from death: in both cases He is taken up into the heavens. In both the NT and Quran, Jesus is claimed to the the Word of God (Arabic: kalimatu-Allah), and will return to judge the world. 🙂

  • @trevornunn3285
    @trevornunn3285 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NO

  • @davidkemball-cook559
    @davidkemball-cook559 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's Paul got to do with a mistake in the gospel of Mark (about 8 mins in)?? More generally, there is a failure to grapple with the serious problems with the New Testament, such as the incompatibilities between the birth narrratives (no time for flight to Egypt in Luke's) and post-resurrection narratives (disciples go to Galilee vs stay in Jerusalem) in Matthew and Luke, and the disagreement between the synoptics and John about the crucifixion, whether the Passover was Friday or Saturday.

    • @skipcadorette5077
      @skipcadorette5077 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All those questions are perfectly addressed in the section of discussion about how ancient biographers wrote- which is not much different from the way we do.

    • @davidkemball-cook559
      @davidkemball-cook559 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@skipcadorette5077 Thanks. I must have missed the points where they discuss these problems. Can you give the time stamps please?

    • @davidkemball-cook559
      @davidkemball-cook559 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@skipcadorette5077 Hi Skip. On second thoughts, I realise that you may have missed the point of my question. Briefly, if the gospel writers altered details, inserted miracle stories and generally made stuff up in the style of ancient biography (ancient biographies include miraculous events like Romulus being taken up to heaven, miracles attributed to Caesars etc) then how do we know that any factual event recorded in the gospels actually happened?
      In particular, how do we know that Jesus was raised bodily from the dead, that the stories of him eating and being touched were not just made up by the writers of Luke and John?

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are no incompatibilities in the birth narratives.The writers had different audiences in mind & if, as I have seen suggested, Luke was writing for a Roman court, in defence of Paul, to have mentioned Herod & the escape to Egypt might have been unwise.

    • @davidkemball-cook559
      @davidkemball-cook559 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martinploughboy988 Hi Martin. Have you studied them side by side, and tried to fit them together? There is no time for a flight to Egypt, lasting probably several years in total, during the time of Mary’s purification (30 days). Moreover Luke has them going to Jerusalem straight after Mary’s purification, whereas Matthew has them going straight to Galilee from Egypt, explicitly saying that they avoided Jerusalem.
      When I take these inconsistencies up with people online, the only viable response has been that Matt 2 is about a later period, a sort of ‘toddler narrative’!
      This is just one of many problems I have found in the NT, which have led me to conclude that the Bible, far from being inerrant, is a collection of human documents.
      I look forward to your reply.

  • @user-gr3oo5ux9x
    @user-gr3oo5ux9x 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about the other saviour God stories that are identical to the Jesus Christ?

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are none.

    • @jaggedstarrPI
      @jaggedstarrPI 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Similar in some important respects, not identical; but that was the last objection of CS Lewis before he converted to Christianity. He finally flipped it around and realized two things: Why should it be that we find people all over the world, without contact to each other, coming up with such similar stories when see describing the ultimate reality and purpose to the world? Isn't that evidence FOR the story in question being a reflection of deep reality rather than evidence that all the stories are false?
      And 2nd, he came to believe that unlike the others, Jesus was a real man in real history (no, surprisingly the others do not make this claim) and that He (Jesus) was "the dream" come true. God created man and therefore the dream of Reality is in us. But in Jesus, God became man and realized the dream so that we could see Him as a man.

    • @byrondickens
      @byrondickens 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ain't one.

    • @jaggedstarrPI
      @jaggedstarrPI 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-gr3oo5ux9x I'm afraid there are none. There are many stories of dying and rising gods or demigods. None identical. And maybe you should be asking why there are so many of these stories? Why is it that this idea , or dream as CS Lewis called them, would come up all over the globe and all throughout history in cultures without contact?

  • @robertmcclintock8701
    @robertmcclintock8701 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    σ(^_^;)? It's not moral for God to get fame by being outlandish. That makes the Bible suspicious.

  • @TheDreamtimezzz
    @TheDreamtimezzz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Bible is full of contradictions, archeological and historical inaccuracies, and logical fallacies. It’s a nice book, it cannot be taken literally. Since it can’t be taken literally, it is open to interpretation and is therefore fallible.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice bunch of claims, care to provide evidence to support them?

    • @vngelicath1580
      @vngelicath1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Being literal and being inerrant aren't same thing.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vngelicath1580 True, but you need to read the passages in the way they were meant to be read & Genesis 1-11 is, like the rest of the book, historical narrative.

    • @ourclarioncall
      @ourclarioncall 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your problem is you don’t know God (but you can if your willing )
      If you knew God you would trust His Words

  • @johnpro2847
    @johnpro2847 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have a high view of Shakespeare plays...are they infallible or even accurate..answer : Not likely. Same for the bible which was cobbled together by various catholic clergy one thousand years earlier. (more or less)

  • @albrio8451
    @albrio8451 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Asking “can we trust the Bible” is not any different than asking, can we trust the Lord Of The Rings.

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct: if one trusts the Bible and one trusts Lord of the Rings--meaning they are real products, have physical copies, and have movies about said subjects--then perhaps one is a fan of both. And the question is...?

  • @Lightbearer616
    @Lightbearer616 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Can we trust the bible?" Given there's no god, that question seems a bit irrelevant.

    • @n8mail76
      @n8mail76 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks for stopping by. You are on the right path by hearing the Gospel.

  • @martinploughboy988
    @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Saying the Bible is inerrant isn't defensive, it is stating the fact. The Bible is the words of God, God is speaking. Genesis 1-11 is historical narrative, it is six days of Creation, repeated in Exodus 20. I would question how Wright believes the resurrection if Genesis isn't correct. I'm afraid NT Wright is simply unreliable as a Bible teacher, just as so many CoE clergy are influenced by the spirit of the age.

    • @EchoP7596
      @EchoP7596 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What does Genesis have to do with the resurrection? Genesis could be entirely mythical (it almost certainly is) and man still be fallen and need a savior. Your argument doesn’t follow.

    • @GRP--gw1yl
      @GRP--gw1yl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m afraid you’re simply uneducated and incorrect. There’s almost absolutely no way of studying Genesis in depth and coming out thinking the ancient author is trying to give us a historical scientific account of material creation. You’ve lost your mind. I’m a Christian Btw

    • @vngelicath1580
      @vngelicath1580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Good grief, YECism isn't the litmus test for orthodoxy, the resurrection is.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EchoP7596 Without Genesis you do not have the basis for God's authority, or the explanation as to why Man needs salvation & hence the resurrection. Genesis is the foundation of Christianity, you cannot be a Christian without it, it certainly isn't mythical.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vngelicath1580 Accepting the whole of the Bible tests your orthodoxy, rather than relying on pseudoscience.
      How can you believe in the Resurrection without believing God's description of His Creation, and without the Fall there is no need for the resurrection.

  • @dartheli7400
    @dartheli7400 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes, we can trust the Bible. We just can‘t trust your translation, Tom.

    • @thegreatballplayer1
      @thegreatballplayer1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not a fan?

    • @dartheli7400
      @dartheli7400 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thegreatballplayer1 I‘m usually not a fan of people who cannot or will not speak clearly about their beliefs and are guilty of obfuscation.

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Question: to whom does Tom refer (N. T. Wright?).

    • @dartheli7400
      @dartheli7400 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@abirdynumnum9612 Yep

  • @tarikramadaan3342
    @tarikramadaan3342 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nobody in the Bible had a bible
    And ..Nobody in the Bible Ring a bell 🔔 for call to pray ....and Nobody in the Bible worship man 👨 on a cross

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Totally, the Canon of the New Testament was decided much later

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your a rather dim fellow. The old testament was well documented and copies into Greek and Latin from the Aramaic Hebrew scrolls available. Even Jesus quoted scriptures and characters from them.

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Minimmalmythicist
      Only a foolish person who knows little of the facts would say that. What is interesting though, is you didn't say how much later, nor by who, and your sarcasm is ridiculous.
      Keep this in mind, the gospels were pre 70 AD, so were some of the letters acts going forward. The temples destruction by Titus, prophecy by Jesus within 40 years, a generation not passing , and believers fleeing Jerusalem to the mountains, not going back into homes to pack up as warned when news of the Romans coming. They got the memo, it was faxed. Emailed and set in stone.

    • @axderka
      @axderka 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Minimmalmythicistlol no it wasn’t.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@axderka It absolutely was, there was no idea of what the New Testament was until the 2nd century. Actually, the first edition of the NT hasn´t survived, it was compiled by Marcion. What became the more "orthodox" NT was decided in part as a response to Marcion, it had some of the same books but some different ones.
      Paul´s letters for example are exactly that letters he wrote to Christian congregations. They weren´t intended to be put into a book.
      So next time you debate someone, you might want to actually read up on things.
      In fact this is what shocks me about so many Christians, just how ignorant they are about basic facts about the Bible.

  • @mr.c2485
    @mr.c2485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where’s the book of Enoch? WTH was wrong with it?
    Book of Thomas?

  • @Gabriel-uq6iq
    @Gabriel-uq6iq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Slippin' Tom: talks a lot but says almost nothing.

    • @HM-vj5ll
      @HM-vj5ll 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅

  • @RichardGeresGerbil
    @RichardGeresGerbil 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I respect and study the bible but why doesn't anyone explain the contradictions in Jesus actual teachings in the Gospels. Depending which gospel Jesus wants his disciples to follow the Torah and in others he clearly doesn't or he cherry picks

    • @conorowens8382
      @conorowens8382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      How about you name a single contradiction? Because the example you listed doesn't sound like a contradiction at all. Jesus didn't come to abolish the old ways, he preached the ten commandments and fulfilled the old prophecies. But the Jewish people had become too asinine about the codes, following them to the letter instead of understanding their purpose, eg. chastising Jesus for a minimal amount of work on the Sabbath.

    • @RichardGeresGerbil
      @RichardGeresGerbil 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@conorowens8382 lol what do you actually think there are only ten commandments? He actually didn't fulfil the prophecy of Isiah the Messiah was supposed to become king. Just compare Mark to Luke or John you get completely different messages from Jesus. By the Jewish people I assume you mean the Pharisees because Jesus was Jewish and his disciples and all the original Christians.

    • @conorowens8382
      @conorowens8382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@RichardGeresGerbil when did I say there were only ten commandments in the Old Testament? I was clearly referring to the famous commandments outlined in Exodus and Deuteronomy, commonly known as the ten commandments (despite the fact you could technically count them a number of different ways). Stop being so pedantic, it doesn't make you look smarter.
      And yes, obviously Jesus and his disciples were Jewish. When did I ever suggest otherwise? Again, you're acting like I said something contradictory to compensate for the lack of an actual argument.
      You keep saying there were massive contradictions in what Jesus said. So again I ask you, how about you name a single specific one?

    • @Linalo18
      @Linalo18 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @RichardGeresGerbil I've just read all the gospels recently - not quite sure what differences you're alluding to... can you be more specific?

    • @RichardGeresGerbil
      @RichardGeresGerbil 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Linalo18 are you serious come on you found nothing? Jesus preaches to follow Moses law better than the Pharisees in one gospel then undermines many of the laws in the others. There are so many stupid contradictions like when did Jesus die I give you a hint before or after passover I'm genuinely curious

  • @johnpro2847
    @johnpro2847 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus and his dad are nor good communicators even though the have magical powers..look at the mess the world is in religiously...amen

    • @freeinmind3054
      @freeinmind3054 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well spoken my friend. I 100% agree 👍

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Bible explains why the world is in such a mess & tells us God's solution.

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there a question here that might help the viewer/reader? (Statements are easily made; questions are better)

    • @ourclarioncall
      @ourclarioncall 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Na mate
      It’s clear to those who are willing to hear it
      Don’t you know why Jesus spoke in parables ?

  • @RayG817
    @RayG817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why should we think the Bible represents anything but people's best guess at what they THINK God is?

    • @josevalverde7431
      @josevalverde7431 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Psalms 14:1.

    • @RayG817
      @RayG817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@josevalverde7431 That's not very convincing.

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Question: who does "we" represent? Are you asking about people in general? Or a specific question about the biblical writers?

  • @theoutspokenhumanist
    @theoutspokenhumanist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The problem with Wright's religious views is that they are merely opinion. As valid as any other, of course, but neither truth nor fact. With one negative exception.
    Any claim of infallibility for the bible is simply false. We can and have proven that. Wright is smart enough to know this but he chooses not to allow reality to interfere with his beliefs. That's his choice and his right but when trying to convince others, it is dishonest to pretend beliefs are facts.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, I think it´s silly to keep insisting that the Bible is true. Why don´t we just enjoy the good things from Christianity, and not require things like a literal belief in God.

    • @theoutspokenhumanist
      @theoutspokenhumanist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Minimmalmythicist Not really sure what Christianity offers that cant be found elsewhere, without the necessity to believe the impossible without evidence, but I do think there is much to be found in the bible once we stop pretending it is the word of God.
      No moral guidance of course and certainly nothing true in the earlier myths but literature, an insight into how men thought back then and a tiny amount of history in the later stories. We can even see hints of the socio-political climates of the various times covered by authors that caused the compilation and writing of the Hebrew bible.

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The one fact that is thoroughly clear, is that you, like sooooo many others, have not faith, so may not be called since b4 the foundations of the earth by name. Sadly, here's my commiserations , have an 🎉.😂.

    • @theoutspokenhumanist
      @theoutspokenhumanist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@user-qe1tv1bu2f I thank you for your commiserations. Unfortunately, you cannot show that what you have faith in is true.
      To not have faith is merely to say, show me the evidence. Why is that wrong?
      Why would your God create a reality with no clear indications of his presence and then hide from us?
      And why would he then condemn us for not believing because he is so good at hiding?
      Does that make any sense to you?
      It seems like the unjust action of tyrant to me. If it were true.

    • @EchoP7596
      @EchoP7596 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MinimmalmythicistYour name takes away all credibility from anything you say.

  • @simonskinner1450
    @simonskinner1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We can trust the Holy Bible KJV, the NT truth as witness to all OT prophecy fulfilled, but we cannot trust Christianity which is the false teaching mentioned by Paul.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about Christianity is false?

    • @simonskinner1450
      @simonskinner1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinploughboy988 There was no atonement at the Cross though Christianity has many theories, the NT was witness to all prophecy fulfilled there is no futurism, there was no 'Original Sin', like Judaism and Islam, Christianity is not legitimate as it does not follow the Torah of Abraham.
      Paul spends his time preaching the gospel of salvation and the Torah of Abraham, to so-called believers who thought grace was a licence to sin. Christianity was already being falsely taught, as Paul did not start Christianity, he spoke that only doers of the law shall be justified.
      It's fascinating stuff all in my draft book, but offering 30 videos breaking down false teaching subject by subject.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonskinner1450 What a load of twaddle. Paul makes it perfectly clear to believers that God's grace isn't a licence to sin:
      What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
      (Romans 6:1-2)
      Of course the Torah was written by Moses, not Abraham.

    • @simonskinner1450
      @simonskinner1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martinploughboy988 yes Paul makes it clear they must not sin to those following s false gospel, but Christianity many believe Jesus paid for their sins, being under grace not the jurisdiction of the law.
      The Torah was given to Abraham in the religion of the Israelites, an amended version was given to Moses due to sin, as you will find Genesis is in the Torah but Moses is not in Genesis.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonskinner1450 So where is the evidence that "Torah was given to Abraham"? The Torah comprises the first five books, & Moses is certainly in those.
      So what do you think the true gospel is, how is someone made righteous before God.

  • @Rosiedelaroux
    @Rosiedelaroux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The bible is an interesting work of fiction. That said its stories provide great comfort for the weak minded and those with dreadful lives.

    • @martinploughboy988
      @martinploughboy988 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A weak minded comment.

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What books do you recommend for those who are not weak minded or who do not have dreadful lives? Can you help the reader understand "dreadful"?

  • @simonskinner1450
    @simonskinner1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Christianity is not legitimate as it is the false teaching in the epistles, and divorced the Torah of Abraham. I have Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.

    • @acts-me8xr
      @acts-me8xr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ‭Hebrews 8:8-13 CSB‬
      But finding fault with his people, he says: See, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah - not like the covenant that I made with their ancestors on the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt. I showed no concern for them, says the Lord, because they did not continue in my covenant.] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And each person will not teach his fellow citizen, and each his brother or sister, saying, “Know the Lord,” because they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them. For I will forgive their wrongdoing, and I will never again remember their sins. By saying a new covenant, he has declared that the first is obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old is about to pass away.
      God tears the veil in the temple at Christ's death and then a short 3 decades later destroys the temple. Access to God is through Christ, not Judaism

    • @simonskinner1450
      @simonskinner1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@acts-me8xr The NT has the truth, but Christianity does not, please note Paul complained of false teaching, well he was talking about Christianity.
      I am CofE but find the Reformation was Gnostic, and not much better before, but we do have Jesus, Paul and John to fall back on. My videos break down the false teachings one by one.
      It is interesting that you deny Judaism but God's laws remain, and those actually baptised have the laws in their hearts, not to recite but to argue in their consciences. Paul says born again believers are born again Jews, so did Jesus, the new covenant is the fulfilment of the covenants of Abraham and Moses.

    • @acts-me8xr
      @acts-me8xr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonskinner1450 Paul complaining about the false teaching was actually specifically in regards to Jews who were trying to water down the gospel by saying that not only did a person have to believe the gospel but they had to follow all of the Old testament ceremonial laws to be right with God. Circumcision was being one of them. Romans chapter 10 verse 4 says
      "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes, "
      Christ himself said he did not come to nullify the law but rather he is the fulfillment of it. For the person who is in Christ Jesus the righteousness of the law has been perfected by the finished work of Jesus.
      So the Old testament is by no means done away with for the Christian believer rather the Old testament is done away with in terms of trying to be made right with God through it and keeping it. The New testament makes it clear that the law was given as a schoolmaster to point us to our need of Christ. The law was given to show us our sinfulness not so that we can follow it to be justified before God. The only one who has or will ever follow the law perfectly is Jesus Christ and that is why sinners like us need him. I believe that the whole book of Hebrews is written for this very reason. To show how the New covenant is better than the old covenant and how it makes it obsolete. It also points to how Jesus is the fulfillment of all of the Old testament promises as well as the keeping of the law perfectly. As far as born again believers being considered Jews on fine with that. Because I believe the Bible makes it clear that there has been one people of God throughout the both old and New testament. The Bible says that a person is not a Jew because of ethnicity but rather because of the circumcision of the heart, which is another way of saying a person that has been born again by the power of the Holy Spirit. I believe dispensationalism where they try to distinctly separate Israel from the church is grossly incorrect and causes not only a division of God's people through the Old and New testament but also they take it to the extent sometimes even to say that the gospel of Paul is different from the gospel of Jesus and the kingdom of God is different from the kingdom of heaven etc.

    • @HIMYMTR
      @HIMYMTR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@simonskinner1450 Judaizer!

  • @JoseBoesch
    @JoseBoesch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    F No, next.

    • @Linalo18
      @Linalo18 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You know you don't have to watch these videos, right?

    • @TheEmmaLucille
      @TheEmmaLucille 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Life is easy when you can so easily unplugg your brain, isn't it?😁

    • @1754Me
      @1754Me 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Linalo18 He didn't. He just saw the title, made the comment, and left.

    • @user-qe1tv1bu2f
      @user-qe1tv1bu2f 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      F yes. Just because something is way above your comprehension, or ability to digest, don't make matters worse by showing it to everyone.

    • @TheEmmaLucille
      @TheEmmaLucille 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-qe1tv1bu2f huh?

  • @jimmunro2136
    @jimmunro2136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NO