Was Maria a Concubine? | Concubines in Islam series, Part 9 | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Dr. Shabir Ally earlier provided evidence showing that Maria could have been married to the Prophet Muhammad. Now he deconstructs counterarguments demonstrating that Maria was a concubine. He cautions that Maria isn't mentioned in the Quran. He sifts through hadith narratives that say that Maria was enslaved, gave birth to a child and was freed after the Prophet Muhammad died, and he discusses manufactured memories and the need for precedents in the development of Islamic law.
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1 debate with audiance JAIPUR DIALOUGE & SACHWALA & EXMUSLIM SAHIL ke channel pe
How casually you guys discuss sxx slavery and repe.. Wonderful.
While discussing about reports about Maria, I feel that this episode only touch about how Islamic tradition is actually memory about old times with varying degrees of authenticity. This series already has an episode about it. I was expecting critical examination about the said tradition/seera, but maybe it was too complicated analysis to be put in 10 minutes video, and better reserved for advance students.
... that being said, Dr. Shabir implicitly gives agreement to my current standing, that this is not an essential topic in my life as muslim hence I don't need to put too much burden. I will continue to follow this series as part of academic interest 🙂. Thank you, Dr. Shabir 🙏
if u want detailed explanation of maria r.a then watch mufti abu layth
It is only complicated because it is impossible to justify
This channel is transforming our way of thinking ey.
I’ve found this series interesting but feel like there was a lot of empty points made in todays video . Been a 9 part series and I still haven’t heard anything that makes me feel any better of concubinage being mentioned in “Gods book”
The strange thing is that 3 of Prophet wives were war captured, Safiya, Rehana and Jaweriya but as per the resources he married all of them. When it comes to Maria who was not a war captive but a gift from the king of Egypt to show friendliness is considered not married to him but a concubine. This sounds so fishy
As Allah ordered to marry what right hand possess. So as others were being married same was maria.there r many hadiths that r not correct simply. Or not explain much.
The Quran mentions wives and what your right hand possesses. A pure distinction. How many times is this mentioned in the Quran? Where is the evidence that the rasool pbuh married Maria? you dont accept this but accept he married a 6 year old? come on people!!!! think!!!
> someone might've invented something and it goes around and comes around
You have to admire the academic rigor of these islamic scholars.
With all due respect dr please don’t rely on Hadith for understanding Quran the holly Quran speaks of no. Concubine only nikah marriage people just don’t understand please watch dr Ali Kiali he has a series on the subject by the way he is related to profit Muhammad has a you young an site
In the west, it is okay to have multiple mistresses, to have open relationships, to have live in relationships, to have non-monogamous relationships, to live the swinger lifestyle, throuple relationships etc. and it is all acceptable in society and there is no laws prohibiting any of it. No ones makes a huge fuss about these multitude of relationship dynamics.
Yet, when Islam brings regulation into human relationships by virtue of 1) Marriage 2) Polygamy and 3) Concubinage with clear dos, don'ts and recommendations. All of a sudden, it is how can GOD allow this? how can it be from GOD? etc etc. All of a sudden we are unable to digest and unable to accept and assume high moral authority.
God created the Man and the Woman. He knows more about our sexuality, our psychology, our inclinations, our relationship dynamics, our personalities etc. because he created all of these things. Therefore, he knows better than us, what works for us and what does not work for us. So he is therefore the best rule maker.
The West don't really care about religion, well most of them anyway. Comparing a secular virtue to a religious one is pointless to begin with. Also being a mistress or swinger or whatever, a woman has a say whether she wants to partake in such. While in concubinage, a woman has no choice. How can you even compare those lol
The major difference between all of the examples you gave about western relationships versus concubinage as practised by Muslims; is one simple word. Consent.
Muhammad had 11 wives total and 4 mistresses
He involved with 15 girls/women in his life for sure.
He can't even control himself how can he be a last messenger of Allah.
I am Hindu agnostic/deistic 👨
Sometimes I feel God exist sometimes I don't.
@@enigmaticbeing7796 Adultery is not all parties consenting. The person being cheated on is NOT consenting. If that person did consent, it would be considered a polyamorous/open relationship, not adultery.
Because we expect much better from God than West!
Is it me or even the host mam confused listening to him answering
No lol you're just ignorant.
Really confusing ... no idea what was the point he actually wanted to make.
He is trying to walk on a tight rope!
@@skyfall7155 BIBLE: Now go, wage wars to people and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys’ (1 Samuel 15:3)
@@Astaqfirullah9
I am Hindu!
@@skyfall7155 My friend, why don't condemn your EVIL Hindu CASTE SYSTEM that oppresses and discriminates 100s millions?
@@Astaqfirullah9
Caste Casta castas are European words with European context. They have nothing to do with Hinduism.
I have read Quran, I think we can do better interpretation of quran using hindu scriptures.
What if the the slave don't want anything sexual relnship with the master what then
According to Shabirs previous talk she has no choice,If there was a me too movement back then ialam would have been canceled in 5 mins.
@@gordonbarranger7683
This is not correct. She can free herself by telling her master. He either can free her for no any charge or for a few coins.
Juwayriya bint al-Harith did this with the prophet, and asked for her freedom, but then he offered her marriage which she accepted after she became a muslim.
This is called “Mukattabah” in Islam.
@@Ibn.Kathir So which is it by mouth or by coins?some slave owners wanted money some didnt?thats not what shabir ali said though is he wrong?
@@gordonbarranger7683
It depends. If the woman has a relative or someone she knows. This person can give her money, and then she can give it to the master. Or Maybe she is rich, so she can offer money for her freedom.
If she is poor, the master should be generous and just let her go. If he refused, (I don’t know what will happen, but I will look it up Inshallah in the morning when I wake up) but he should not refuse if she doesn’t want to stay.
Can you please put the link of the video you are talking about. Thank you.
Yes, as I said. He has no right to refuse her offer if she wants to free herself.
She can do the “mukatabah” and free herself by herself. The master can either ask for money or he can just let her go without anything.
Most riches women who usually do that. The Nobel women.
The poor women don’t do that because they don’t have any home or husbands to go to, so they prefer to stay with their masters.
What sort of moral give the prophet to the rest of people, if he behave same as other men ,
That's why always trying to find excuses for his bad behaviour
Shabi Ally's only hope is to appeal to confusion and hope to obfuscate. If the sources are not reliable, what does that say about Islam and the mouths the message passed through? If the Quran isn't clear like it claims to be, then how can you trust it?
@Fauxsho94 So Islam came through the mouth of incompetent lips or competent liars? What does that have to say about the reliability of the traditions that are used to interpret the unclear Quran?
A good story! Looks like some stories in the Bible to put a message across.
I wonder why the Prophet Muhammad didn't adopt them as his children or sisters and educated them and send them back to Egypt as Muslim Ambassadors/ Missionaries/Scholars to spread the good news of Islam. They were from a noble family in Egypt. cf Paul sending out his letters/message with dedicated women as leaders.
@@Chandransingham Why doesnt the bible discourage women from taking the last names of their husbands; women are not their husband's property. In the bible, why weren't women entitled to inheritance and owning property like Islam allowed women too. Why isnt it mentioned in the bible the women has no obligation to share any of her wealth with her husband, but her husband is obligated to provide for her financially, physically and emotionally. Why doesn't the bible say women can divorce their husband just on the mere grounds he is unable to satisfy her sexually. Why doesn't it say in the bible that foreplay for women is encouraged. WHy doesnt say in the bible that paradise is at your mother's feet. I can keep going. Islam gave these women rights when other religions or societies didn't even consider them human 1400 yrs ago
@@Omgsamia Very interesting thoughts. What is the situation here and now ? Much more freedom and rights protected by family law. Marriage counselling service also available.
@@Chandransingham why didn't you answer it
@@mitsume_slay What have you got in mind? Do have a new question?
I think the position of slave once slept with her master should automatically become his wife.
On the contention that Maria was freed on the death of the Prophet, certainly she was because she was his widow. A woman when married is under the protection of her husband, which therefore ultimately not free from him. The same was the position of Maria.
With this we can maintain the position of zina (no cohabitation outside marriage).
Quite a mental gymnastic. Then why did prophet forbit himself from maria kibtiya when hazrat hafsa caught him? Which is followed by Quranic verse that says: “oh prophet why do you forbit what has god made halal for you, do you seek to gain your wives approval?”
it's interesting that one can see a concubinage in the quoted qur'anic verse.. What is clear in the ayat is the word "halal" (which if one synthesises to other ayaat in the qur'an refers primarily to marriage - not concubinage).
@@aldamierjulkarnain3935 Oh really? I will urge you to read the shan e nazool. The background behind why this ayat was revealed. Even in hadiths there are 2 traditions. 1 that says it refers to the honey prophet was eating, which makes no sense, other points to maria kibtiya incident which is mentioned in alot of respected hadiths. Are you challenging hadiths and scholars who have admitted it?
you maybe right... but I state this; one can't fine a clear ayat in the Qur'an - the word of Allah SWT - that allows one to take a concubine.
Maria was sent to the Prophet as a sign of respect to a head of state and as an offer of friendship between two nations. She was not ordinary woman.
Think about it...by the way I don't worship scholars
@@aldamierjulkarnain3935 And those who preserve their chastity Save with their wives and those whom their right hands possess (i.e. slave girls), for thus they are not blameworthy [Quran 70:29]
In other words accept things you like in your Faith and find ways to disapprove the ones you don't like
Specially if they are not mentioned in the Quran
Makes sense
Thanks
No!
I love your lectures, Dr. Shabir but these types of subjects are very controversial. This narrative is very Biblical and differs from our Islamic theology.
Not at all!
A Muslim should be overwhelmed with this subject to begin with.
This is only going to increase their weaknesses only. Life is though and our modern condition shouldn't blind us our the harshness of pre modern societies.
Do she have any sunah?
How can a woman remain a muslim knowing this lol
Did you listen that this isn't true?
@@waymilky442 Then the Quran made a mistake numerous times?
Over tool activity. Busy tool. Just name nomenclature name style
It's confusing...should be to the point...
This guys just to slow he should get to the point
This man look like money with this type beard
He’s following the sunnah
Assalamualaikum brothers
I have a request
I saw a video in which a ex muslim says that the Prophet (ﷺ) dictated: 'Not equal among the believers are those who sit and the Mujahidin in the cause of Allah.' He said: 'So Ibn Umm Maktum came and he was dictating to me that he said: "O Messenger of Allah! By Allah! If I were capable of Jihad then I would participate in Jihad.' And he was a blind a man. So Allah revealed to His Messenger (ﷺ) - while his thigh was against my thigh - and it became so heavy that I was worried it was about to fracture my thigh. Then he was relieved of it, so Allah had revealed to him: Except those who are disabled."
Ex muslim claims that prophet Saw Naoozubilla Naoozubilla made up this verse in favour to that blind man .
NOW I KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE BUT CAN I PLEASE GET A REFUTATION IN ORDER TO GET SATISFACTORY ANSWER.
Allah perhaps forgot the blind man and therefore had to update the verse
I don’t see any issue with Hadith . Allah clear thing when there is doubt. There are a lot of example when shabah ask question about any particular issue in Quran and the prophet just explained it . There was no further revelation . If the prophet had to made up he could have just explained it just like other situations.
There many examples in the bible as well . For example inOT working on sabbath is forbidden and punishable by death . In fact there is story of man killed because he was picking sticks on sabbath. However, jesus took a different approach when he was asked about this issue “
The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath”
So whether someone consider him god or prophet . Didnt he just updated or clarified the ruling on sabbath?.
@@takhtar4877 Bruh, Jesus came thousand years later. Mohammed was “updating” the verse in real time. How are they even comparable?
Jesus as God has the right to set down the true meaning of an institution like the Sabath. Mohammed was amending a revelation that was supposed to be in the “Preserved Tablet”.
What is more likely, that Mohammed got caught and had to make amends to his statements, or that God was adding to what where supposed to be clear revelations?
Recall that in the Hadith, Mohammed had not mentioned the Iddah of prepubescent girls until he was asked by a follower, “What about those who have not yet menstruated?”. Consequently, Surah 65:4 was emended to cover prepubescent girls!
But guess what, this verse is now a problem for Muslims. Mohammed Hijab says the verse is so unclear that it can suggest an extreme form of abuse.
@@squarecircles4846 just like jesus forgot to clarify about sabbath and a poor guy got killed
Numbers 15
“
While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses (NIV).”
however when he came to earth he updated his thoughts. Now the son of man is king of sabbath 🤔
Mark 2
The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath”
@@takhtar4877 Thanks brother akhtar . May allah bless you
لعنت الله عليهم
Hole whole
OLD DEFINATION
The more u defend Muhammed the more u expose him