As a new MB owner, must say LONG LIVE MERCMAN! This is only video on YT where every aspect of problem is presented and addressed, even people without mechanical knowledge can understand! Much respect, tip of the hat!
These damaged camcrafts are a well known problem mostly of Taxi driver who let their OM654 run at idle rpm for several hours every day when they are waiting for guests. I think the oil pressure is a little bit to low for this bad working condition, but Mercedes choose the cheaper solution. OM654 after production date 6/2018 or after 6/2020 (I don't remember the exact date.) use in the rocket instead of the old "Nadellager" a upgraded version, a new "Gleitlager". This OM654 is build in nearly every, version of passanger car AND truck like "Vito" or "Sprinter". With some care and the right maintainance it's no problem to reach more than 500.000 km. Oil change every 25.000 Km is too long. It's better to change every 15.000 Km. The remaining weakness is the timing chain and the "Steuerkettenspanner". With bad maintainance an expensive replacenent after only 150.000 Km is possible.
Quote: "Laut EPC gibt es ab 10/07/2018 bzw. ab Motornummer: 80278367 einen anderen Schlepphebel mit einer anderen Teilenummer. (Fußnote zur alten Teilenummer: "Darf nicht mehr verbaut werden") Alte Teilenummer: A6540501100 Neue Teilenummer: A6540505701 Beim OM656 müssten deshalb auch die allerersten Modelle betroffen sein. Hier sagt das EPC jedoch, dass schon ab 29/06/2018 die neue Teilenummer verbaut werden musste. (Beim 656 sind die gleichen Hebel verbaut) Wie hoch die Anzahl der gefährdeten Vierzylinder Dieselmotoren der Baureihe OM654 ist, geht aus der Information "ab Motornummer xx278267 sind andere Schlepphebel verbaut worden" hervor, denn bis zur Fortschrittsnummer 278266 sind die alten weicheren Schlepphebel in die Motorenfertigung eingeflossen."
Hi. Very impressed of job that you have done with merc engines. Any chance that I can have appointment with you to check my car's engine please? Thanks
did you know if in the new version om654m they still have this problem? very upset i tought about to get my first mercedes c o glc because they last a lot but unfortunatelly is not more like this!
When this plopping intake sound is present is it always the rockers or can it be problem with egr or something else? I have the plopping sound and only error code is P0101FA MAF faulty values that triggers constantly. When running throttle valve test in Xentry the engine become completely silent for a short time.
Ola tudo bem,sou do brasil e sigo voces aqui pelo youtube, estou fazendo uma manutencao em um veiculo sprinter 907 com motor om 654 se tiver o manual de reparacao desse motor para poder compartilhar comigo ficarei muito grato
Mercedes should own up to the crap rockers they have put in this engine. Hearing of so many failures, I'm amazed they are getting away with not paying to fix this issue via a recall.
Really great video, I've seen hydraulic lifters fail on om651 but never on om654. How did you torque the sprocket screws, not much space in the back due to egr cooler.
You can torque those off the vehicle on the bench. Just use the locking bar to keep the position. Once you have those torqued down, it's just a matter of moving the entire assembly over to the vehicle.
@@LynxStarAuto arent the cams hard to fit into the sprocket when you tighten the bolt before putting it back in? I thought that thats the whole point of losening these bolts
Great video: What do you think - has start/stop system or long oil change period something to do with this damage and is this fix coming inexorably to all OM654 engines sooner or later?
Iv had a 2019 at 60k miles who only services at mercedes main dealer and even on that engine he had this problem, so i think its purely just bad design…
I'm wondering if the " Failing Rocker Bearings and Hydraulic Tappets" issues can be resolved with new parts? As in did MB resolve the issue but improving the parts or is there aftermarket parts that prevent the issue from ever happening again? Is there a specific thing that can be done to make these parts last forever?
Hi thanks for this video I have the same problem with same engine I'm a taxi driver so I'm wondering how long I can drive the car without further damage, Mercedes say I've detected the issue early.cheers
I am interested to know what is the cause of this as it always seems to be on the exhaust side... Nowhere can i find a diagnosis, or is it just poor quality rockers.... But the camshaft did look very dirty on the exhaust side.
Is the engine running on all 4 cylinders at this moment, without an error message in the speedometer? Is the noise where you can tell ahead of time that the rocker arms need to be replaced before it's too late?
Engine is running on all 4 cylinders as there is no misfire, the blowing noise is due to the valves opening or closing a bit late or earlier than it should causing some sort of back fire in the intake system
For this problem not to come back you have to cancel all emissions system out DPF , EGR, and adblue. Because of emissions system is blocked this problem appears on all euro6 diesel cars. On that car definitely air inlet and outlet system is blocked and valves are clogged full with carbon.
Forgive me I am very stupid and not very knowlegdable about engines, but why does this DOHC engine need rocker arms in the first place? Cant the cam lobes just press directly on the tappets?
No just soak the tappets in oil before fitting them in, the locking tool just helps overall, i probably can do it without the tool, the main benefit of the locking tool is it lets you tighten the gearing bolts without the camshafts moving..
Evet malasef cok kotu bir design biz cok yaptik yaptigimiz en dusuk kilometre 100 bin kilometredeki 2019 bir e class, servicei falan da zamaninda yapilan bir arac..
@@mercmantips just got a 2017 with 27,000miles on sounds loud to me compared to my bmw f10 and when you in the car you can here a slight rumble/rattle from engine nearest to the cab would it be possible to send you a video for your professional opinion?
@@mustafabuyukbalci6151Yes, you can change the chain by pulling a new one in, but the oil pump has a second chain which has to be replaced too! It's way down low in the engine, no way to change that one with the engine mounted
- Hi. - Is this knocking phenomenon typical of the Mercedes W272 engine? - Waiting for an answer. - Thanks. - הי. - האם תופעה זו של נקישות' אופיינית למנוע מרצדס W272 ? - ממתין למענה. - תודה.
These E class can go up To 300k some without any problems, there is no reliability issues, don’t damp people’s abuse on Mercedes pls , I have seen people abuse these cars!!
No manufacturer can make anything decent anymore, its all gone to shit engines with design issues from day 0 manufacured to survice maybe 200.000 miles if you are lucky and wear out atleast 2 timing chains getting there. Take the OM611 and nearly identical OM646 for example. Those were dead simple durable engines. Double roller timing chain that will outlast the rest of the vehicle and no other significant mechanical issues. They last a long time and since I am thinking about buying a cheap used Van Ive already settled on a Mercedes Vito instead of a VW because they came with those exact engines in them and the older Mercedes Automatics are also very long lasting aswell so a W 639 Vito with the OM646 and Automatic Transmission would be a dream. When you look you see older Diesels with tons of miles on the engine like 200.000 300.000 and more. Do you think any of these new junk engines coming out will survive that? I have a near 20 year old Volvo V70 with the five cylinder D5244T Diesel. 95% of the parts under the hood are original and the engine has done 250.000km. Never needed anything changed. Runs like new. Virtually no wear. Only ever needed oil, filters, belts, pulleys/tensioners and a waterpump. Makes 160hp, plenty of torque and fuel efficiency is good. I will do an EGR + Intake cleanout this year in addition to my regular maintenance and probably fit an EGR blockoff plate since it helps them from sooting up the intake manifold and improves fuel mileage slightly. Before I aqqired the car service records indicated it had 0w30 at 30.000 kilometer intervals. So the absolute worst you can throw at an older Diesel engine. Volvo is delusional and stupid enough to have 0w30 at 30.000km as their factory interval on their cars. The engine vibrated a lot and the valvetrain was noisy as hell. I put in 5w40 diesel oil and change that every 12 months or 10.000km. The engine survived the previous abuse flawlessly and runs so smooth and quiet now on 5w40 its hard to believe. No manufacurer these days builds engines like that!
After being told for the past 3 months by multiple mechanics that I need a total engine replacement and that my engine is completely damaged (diagnosis purely given on sound alone) I’ve randomly come across this video!! Completely shocked as the sound this engine is making is EXACTLY the sound coming from mine! Mercman do you have a contact number/email or website I can get in touch with you on?
As a new MB owner, must say LONG LIVE MERCMAN! This is only video on YT where every aspect of problem is presented and addressed, even people without mechanical knowledge can understand! Much respect, tip of the hat!
Great video as always, very helpful!
Another great video, glad to see you back on TH-cam. We get people asking about you on the UK Mbowners club. Keep up the good work.
I Had a look about this mechanic on the website as well 😂
@@sergypuperov5820 what website??
Great vídeo. Cheers from Portugal
Excellent video, thanks for uploading it.
Great video very well explained
👍👍👍👍
These damaged camcrafts are a well known problem mostly of Taxi driver who let their OM654 run at idle rpm for several hours every day when they are waiting for guests.
I think the oil pressure is a little bit to low for this bad working condition, but Mercedes choose the cheaper solution. OM654 after production date 6/2018 or after 6/2020 (I don't remember the exact date.) use in the rocket instead of the old "Nadellager" a upgraded version, a new "Gleitlager".
This OM654 is build in nearly every, version of passanger car AND truck like "Vito" or "Sprinter".
With some care and the right maintainance it's no problem to reach more than 500.000 km.
Oil change every 25.000 Km is too long. It's better to change every 15.000 Km.
The remaining weakness is the timing chain and the "Steuerkettenspanner".
With bad maintainance an expensive replacenent after only 150.000 Km is possible.
I agree with the oil change being 25k is too high, i advise all my customers to do oil change between 15k-20k max
Quote:
"Laut EPC gibt es ab 10/07/2018 bzw. ab Motornummer: 80278367 einen anderen Schlepphebel mit einer anderen Teilenummer. (Fußnote zur alten Teilenummer: "Darf nicht mehr verbaut werden")
Alte Teilenummer: A6540501100
Neue Teilenummer: A6540505701
Beim OM656 müssten deshalb auch die allerersten Modelle betroffen sein. Hier sagt das EPC jedoch, dass schon ab 29/06/2018 die neue Teilenummer verbaut werden musste. (Beim 656 sind die gleichen Hebel verbaut)
Wie hoch die Anzahl der gefährdeten Vierzylinder Dieselmotoren der Baureihe OM654 ist, geht aus der Information "ab Motornummer xx278267 sind andere Schlepphebel verbaut worden" hervor, denn bis zur Fortschrittsnummer 278266 sind die alten weicheren Schlepphebel in die Motorenfertigung eingeflossen."
Sehr schön den Kommentar hab ich gesucht
i change oill every 10.000km But i still got problem. Very expensive problem
Thanks Mercman for this explicit video, I'll like to know if the problem is likely to reaper once its been sorted.
Great video! Keep it up👍🏻👏🏻
job well done-great video
glad you've back, It's been a long break :)
Thanks Nico, just very hard to do videos run a business and get all the work done 😀
THANKS VERY USEFUL VIDEO
Great video
Awsome job
thanks for sharing bro
Could you please provide the part numbers of the 3 Parts? From the rockers, hydraulic tappets and camshaft. Thanks.
Love the content. I've replaced the rocker arms on my w213 e220d . I have a fault eml comes on and throws a P0017 fault code
How many miles? Cost?
Hi. Very impressed of job that you have done with merc engines. Any chance that I can have appointment with you to check my car's engine please? Thanks
did you know if in the new version om654m they still have this problem? very upset i tought about to get my first mercedes c o glc because they last a lot but unfortunatelly is not more like this!
do you have a video of the om603 lifter or cam replacement
Hi Mercman , i want to ask you how much is the cost of the parts you have changed . Thank you
Did u remove tensioner to do this. Thanks for the tips
How much NM you tighten psv valve cover?
When this plopping intake sound is present is it always the rockers or can it be problem with egr or something else?
I have the plopping sound and only error code is P0101FA MAF faulty values that triggers constantly.
When running throttle valve test in Xentry the engine become completely silent for a short time.
We got few 654 with over 200k nothing wrong with them... oil changed maybe 2 times.I do not know what is wrong with some examples
Ola tudo bem,sou do brasil e sigo voces aqui pelo youtube, estou fazendo uma manutencao em um veiculo sprinter 907 com motor om 654 se tiver o manual de reparacao desse motor para poder compartilhar comigo ficarei muito grato
Mercedes should own up to the crap rockers they have put in this engine. Hearing of so many failures, I'm amazed they are getting away with not paying to fix this issue via a recall.
I agree
👏🏼
How much is the degree of clamping of camshafts Nm??
Hi how much do you change for this
Can this problem of uneven engine operation only occur in neutral gear? when it is on D the engine runs smoothly.
Really great video, I've seen hydraulic lifters fail on om651 but never on om654. How did you torque the sprocket screws, not much space in the back due to egr cooler.
You can torque those off the vehicle on the bench. Just use the locking bar to keep the position. Once you have those torqued down, it's just a matter of moving the entire assembly over to the vehicle.
@@LynxStarAuto arent the cams hard to fit into the sprocket when you tighten the bolt before putting it back in? I thought that thats the whole point of losening these bolts
Great video: What do you think - has start/stop system or long oil change period something to do with this damage and is this fix coming inexorably to all OM654 engines sooner or later?
Iv had a 2019 at 60k miles who only services at mercedes main dealer and even on that engine he had this problem, so i think its purely just bad design…
Hi bro where is your garage in the uk?
How much costs same job on om651?
I'm wondering if the " Failing Rocker Bearings and Hydraulic Tappets" issues can be resolved with new parts? As in did MB resolve the issue but improving the parts or is there aftermarket parts that prevent the issue from ever happening again? Is there a specific thing that can be done to make these parts last forever?
Merc Man do you have contact information I need oil cooler seals to be replaced on my w212 thanks
Great video. Jeez the quality of MB is just continuous slope down. How they manage to still sell this crap they manufacture is hard to understand.
✨status✨😂
Well a merc is a merc, I have all this problems on it, 158k, and it still goes
Hey MercMan , how do I get in touch with you about booking some work in please? Thanks
Hi great video is it the same problem in 3.0 om656 ? Thank you
yes
Oil pump failure at 47k on this engine do I need a replacement engine 🙏
Could please write the mileage of this engine. Thanks.
Bro where is your garage? I have the same issue on mine.
Another great video i begin to wish i had stuck with Mr volvo rather than Mr mercedes.
Hi Mercman. How much would this kind of repair cost approximately on a OM656 engine? Parts and labour? Much appreciated! Zhivko
Between £1100-£1700. Depending if the camshafts have to be replaced or not. Camshafts £600
@@fsasarianu Thank you for the info fsasarianu!
👌👏
I also have a Mercedes E class from 1997 engine 2.3, is it the same way?
no
Hi Mercman, do you have workshop. I would like to fix my car
How many miles????
Great video. Was this issue resolved by manufacturer with newer models (2019-2020)?
After 10/07/2018 new parts are installed. www.jamescooke.me.uk/automotive/noise-from-engine-e-class-w213-om654/
@@fsasarianu то есть после этого времени , такой проблемы с 654 мотором уже нет? или же это судьба всех 654 и 656 моторов???
Would u likely get misfire issues
Where are you guys based mate? Woukd like to come down and get my car checked out..
Hi thanks for this video I have the same problem with same engine I'm a taxi driver so I'm wondering how long I can drive the car without further damage, Mercedes say I've detected the issue early.cheers
DONT drive in this condition or you will need a new engine
I am interested to know what is the cause of this as it always seems to be on the exhaust side... Nowhere can i find a diagnosis, or is it just poor quality rockers.... But the camshaft did look very dirty on the exhaust side.
The cause is….higth pressure problem came because of the 2 EGRs and DPF and the long intervals of oil 25k km.
Km?
Motorkote end special oil every 10000km!no problems for my Mercedes E300 de whith 867000km!!!!
I have a 2016 E220 and this loud noise. I also have blow back coming through air box. Is this what you see from above issue also ? Thanks
Yes sounds like it
Is the engine running on all 4 cylinders at this moment, without an error message in the speedometer? Is the noise where you can tell ahead of time that the rocker arms need to be replaced before it's too late?
Engine is running on all 4 cylinders as there is no misfire, the blowing noise is due to the valves opening or closing a bit late or earlier than it should causing some sort of back fire in the intake system
@@mercmantips So before the rocker arms break completely, the engine gets louder and louder with this dull noise?
@@motorsus9974 pretty much yes, you can observe the noise when starting the car, and it quietens down after a couple of seconds.
Where are you based bro?
did mercedes recognize their bad desing? are there avaible new desing? im planing on buy a w213 and dont want to have trouble
what's to recognize? they did it on purpose. Once they build best diesels- now, it's just not worth it, it's over paying.
They charge people fortune. I'm not buying Merc again . My next car will be Audi
@@salihkaya4739 I had a6 and said same before jump to merc🤣
@@nieprofesjonalnie So all same 🤦🏻
Did a full timing chain, new rockers everything and as soon as i started the car this noise was still here LOL
And change new Hydraulic tappet valve 16 Pcs.
a reason to get the warranty...
How.much to do this job
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Hi ✌️✌️👍👍👍RUS
Has anyone completed this job without the locking tool?
For this problem not to come back you have to cancel all emissions system out DPF , EGR, and adblue. Because of emissions system is blocked this problem appears on all euro6 diesel cars. On that car definitely air inlet and outlet system is blocked and valves are clogged full with carbon.
Has nothing to do with the engine wiping its valvetrain out.
Where is the garage
I had the same Problem with Mercedes e 220 2017 Mercedes i muss say i am very disapointed.
Forgive me I am very stupid and not very knowlegdable about engines, but why does this DOHC engine need rocker arms in the first place? Cant the cam lobes just press directly on the tappets?
Don’t you have to set the rockers? And also won’t the gears keep the camshaft in place? Sorry I work on ship engines not cars 😂
No just soak the tappets in oil before fitting them in, the locking tool just helps overall, i probably can do it without the tool, the main benefit of the locking tool is it lets you tighten the gearing bolts without the camshafts moving..
Hello mr, do you have codes for pieces that are needed to be changed? Thanks
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Pek sanmiyorum
@@mercmantips okudugum kadariyla OM654 hepsinde oluyo, yani YIL önemli degil. 2016´da olur 2018´de 2020´de ! dogrumu?
Evet malasef cok kotu bir design biz cok yaptik yaptigimiz en dusuk kilometre 100 bin kilometredeki 2019 bir e class, servicei falan da zamaninda yapilan bir arac..
How much is cost ?
Depending how the wear on engine…3000€ to 4000€
Hi what mileage does this start happening
The lowest we have seen was 70k
@@mercmantips just got a 2017 with 27,000miles on sounds loud to me compared to my bmw f10 and when you in the car you can here a slight rumble/rattle from engine nearest to the cab would it be possible to send you a video for your professional opinion?
Do you think this engine is better then the OM651 engine
I prefer the OM651
What mileage?
This one was only 70,000 miles
@@mercmantips wow, I guess oil should be changed 9-10 times by then, but I suppose that never happened. 2 or 3 services tops.
Yes this car was not well looked after, but even happens on well serviced engines at high mileage, the bearings on the rockers are just a bad design..
@@mercmantips did they improve this with later models, is it worth buying E220D from late 2021 or?
Bro.....I just got a used C220D with OM654 and found this vid
How much it cost roughly?
Too much I'm paying nearly 2k for this repair
Thats a good price kardeş
@@mercmantips Evet kardeşim, 🙂 Türkmüsün Merc abi ? Nerede yerin abi
Evet Türküm, güney Londra
@@mercmantips Vay kardeşim, gurur duydum 👌 Mekanin ismi varsa yazda gelince ugrarirm . Ben şoförüm 🙂
Without changing the chain ?!?
For chainging the chain need take out engine $$$$
@@Tony-fh2wi not right. Mercedes dealer changed my chain without taking down the engine
@@mustafabuyukbalci6151 that is shit job..only replace the chain..to replace the guides and chain motor need take out
@@mustafabuyukbalci6151Yes, you can change the chain by pulling a new one in, but the oil pump has a second chain which has to be replaced too! It's way down low in the engine, no way to change that one with the engine mounted
I am taxi driver I had same problem but fix now e class 220 , 2019
Wher did u get it fixed from and how much
- Hi.
- Is this knocking phenomenon typical of the Mercedes W272 engine?
- Waiting for an answer.
- Thanks.
- הי.
- האם תופעה זו של נקישות' אופיינית למנוע מרצדס W272 ?
- ממתין למענה.
- תודה.
These E class can go up
To 300k some without any problems, there is no reliability issues, don’t damp people’s abuse on Mercedes pls , I have seen people abuse these cars!!
No manufacturer can make anything decent anymore, its all gone to shit engines with design issues from day 0 manufacured to survice maybe 200.000 miles if you are lucky and wear out atleast 2 timing chains getting there.
Take the OM611 and nearly identical OM646 for example. Those were dead simple durable engines. Double roller timing chain that will outlast the rest of the vehicle and no other significant mechanical issues.
They last a long time and since I am thinking about buying a cheap used Van Ive already settled on a Mercedes Vito instead of a VW because they came with those exact engines in them and the older Mercedes Automatics are also very long lasting aswell so a W 639 Vito with the OM646 and Automatic Transmission would be a dream.
When you look you see older Diesels with tons of miles on the engine like 200.000 300.000 and more. Do you think any of these new junk engines coming out will survive that?
I have a near 20 year old Volvo V70 with the five cylinder D5244T Diesel.
95% of the parts under the hood are original and the engine has done 250.000km. Never needed anything changed. Runs like new. Virtually no wear.
Only ever needed oil, filters, belts, pulleys/tensioners and a waterpump.
Makes 160hp, plenty of torque and fuel efficiency is good.
I will do an EGR + Intake cleanout this year in addition to my regular maintenance and probably fit an EGR blockoff plate since it helps them from sooting up the intake manifold and improves fuel mileage slightly.
Before I aqqired the car service records indicated it had 0w30 at 30.000 kilometer intervals. So the absolute worst you can throw at an older Diesel engine. Volvo is delusional and stupid enough to have 0w30 at 30.000km as their factory interval on their cars. The engine vibrated a lot and the valvetrain was noisy as hell.
I put in 5w40 diesel oil and change that every 12 months or 10.000km.
The engine survived the previous abuse flawlessly and runs so smooth and quiet now on 5w40 its hard to believe. No manufacurer these days builds engines like that!
I agree, seeing these problems i do not want to own a modern car
Ford ecoboosts german cousin.
Crapcars designed to fail..😂
how many miles it has?
After being told for the past 3 months by multiple mechanics that I need a total engine replacement and that my engine is completely damaged (diagnosis purely given on sound alone) I’ve randomly come across this video!! Completely shocked as the sound this engine is making is EXACTLY the sound coming from mine!
Mercman do you have a contact number/email or website I can get in touch with you on?
Sadly, a lot of dealers are swapping the engines under warranty. 🤷♂️ why? No idea. Liability I presume.