BOLTR: Skillsaw 77 | Made in USA vs. CHINA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2017
- ERATTA: I probably busted that nut on the new saw in the previous teardown. I gave it a solid thumping in the vise, and since it's not threaded I probably broke it myself. Thanks for pointing out my error!
We inspect the old USA built 77 and compare it to a brand new Chinese version.
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My college professor told me that there is no engineering skill required to design something that works. The skill is to design something that barely works.
Lmao that explains so much!
The truth is we don't care what the safety factor is because that's ours to find out.
Haha
Used the Skill 77 35 yrs.
Love my new DeWalt cordless
Must have been from Detroit
"Focus you fa..thank you"
You've changed man.
its all the fame
Watching the Essential Craftsmen gives me the warm and fuzzies like everything's going to be alright. Just tuck you into bed like.
Awesome comment. I feel like EC is father-like. Or grandfather like, depending on your age. Well worth watching anything EC says.
That's why I drink my scotch in one night, don't want it to evaporate through the cork.
Haha you can never be too careful
Oi Let the angels have their share ay
Essential Craftsman and AvE are my two favorite channels!!! And they're fans of each other! Quality knows quality!
dc1445 both awesome channels
dc1445 exactly didn’t know they knew each other
Except AvE just called him an “old codger”! I know he said it out of love and respect though.
Hey essential free Craftsman called Ave a crazy Canadian soo
Phillip De Young thats the kind of bantz you can only have with someone you dont hate. theyre bonding.
I'm actually restoring that exact era Model 77 Skilsaw sometime next year! This will help on the teardown.
Hahaha TWINS! I'm sending you this one too.
That's actually perfect as the one I have needs parts! Thank you. Although, this might be a little less old judging by the handle on the top, but I am sure the internals are the same. Might have to Frankensaw them together.
FRANKENSAW!!!
Get a room you two.
I have the previous iteration torn apart on my workbench. No A prefix on the serial number, date stamp on the rotor says St. Patrick's Day 1952. It looks identical from the outside but there are some internal differences.
After watching about 60 Boltr videos and getting to know Unkle B and being a lifetime carpenter (including a "stripper) I have to say this 'vijaayo' gave me a fulfilled appreciation Unkle B. and left me compelled to give him a shout out and thumbs up support for bringing this content. I knew I was onto something special about 30 vids in when my wife catches me in front of the '"confuser" procrastinating those manly duties AGAIN and surprises me with her reaction. As I sat there in guilt once again most certainly looking like a dog in shame and paralyzed by my conscience cringing in remorse expecting the shameful feeling as the door closes and her eyes quietly share disappointment with that "really??" look she surprises me and tosses me a bone and quietly sits down and begins to watch with me. My first thought is one of suspicion and thankfully I did not "let the smoke out" by sharing that because as she sat through 4 back to back vids with me. Sitting there in blissful awe my mind raced with many thoughts and in a rare moment of clarity wisdom prevailed understanding I just need to continue keeping mouth shut. Her enjoyment was genuine evidenced each moment I caught her laughing along side me and when it was over and I thought I was at the apex she delivers the hat trick and confirms her approval with a indirect statement. As the door closed she states that she believes Unkle B is my kindred spirit. Translated as the dude is cool:) Thanks Unkle B! You have validated my existence and proven once and for all to my friends and family that I am not an anomaly and they can take me out in public and leave the masks at home...hahahaha Peace Out-Unkle K
A genuine Christmas miracle!
Kyle Ritchey
Pure poetry, tx!
I guess you had to rewatch those four vijeo’s watched with you better 3/4 because of lack of attention (for the vijeo’s) the first time.
@kyle
The part where you say that they can leave the masks behind, made my day, since I am watching this during Chinese 🦇 Bat Stu Fluarama!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I swear that you wrote this in first person.... with narration done maybe by a 4th person, or even a 5th or two.
The author speakums so like yourself. Damn good story.
That ND bearing stands for “New Departure”. Their bearings were also used in the bigger 1940s-1950s Craftsman power tool motors (drill press, table saw, etc) made by Packard Electric.
Impossible to find a new replacement for too
But agreed, a new one ain't happenin'
ND are in everything from 1920’s to the 60’s. I rebuild equipment for a hobby, put Timken, SKF or NTN. Japanese are good.
Essential Craftsman referred to AvE as a certain Canadian who takes tools eah-part.
Le Canadien from Fruit-loops
C'mon man, I was about to start studying for an enginerding final.
EDIT: I probably got about an 80%?
EDIT the second: Got an 87%, woooooooooooooooo
This counts.
Controls, I'm studying networks and systems... Engineering finals suck
Been there done that, there is light at the end of the tunnel, Focus you Fuck!!
Ah finals, especially for enginerding! Keep that nose to the grindstone bud. We need more pixie wranglers in industry. I'll drink a cold barley pop in your honor.
I'm now wondering how I could use AvE videos for professional development hours for us licensed engineerding types...
The intermission was hilarious and also extraordinarily accurate. 10/10
Email a picture of the broken nut with an explanation to their marketing department with a clickbaity title such as "Your Skillsaw will kill you!"
As a proud commercial construction estimator I take offense to your accurate description of our esteemed value engineering processes.
If you enjoy defect litigation have a value engineering professional assist you to the settlement table.
Value engineering = trouble
Wise decision
Intermission video was priceless.
Checked out several and they're all funny and on point.
shart
my workbench looks similar to yours. Haven't actually seen the top of it in years. When I see yours, I feel better about myself. Thank you!
“That’s when men were men and sheep were scared” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My observation is that old gear like this had variations of "safety factors" or parts that varied between 1% and 300%. Some parts were going to inevitably wear/break while others were heavily overbuilt. Modern design/manufacturing keeps that safety factor down to a consistent 10% or so, keeping price competitive while having enough margin for average use.
Michael Steeves
Safety factor? I always called that design style "take a guess and double it just to be sure" .
Safety factor? Tell that to the poor slob that finds the saw fly out of his hand, when the nut breaks in 2.
Are you saying the old machinist didn't have calipers to 0.001" accuracy? None of that CNC bullshit. Manual machining by an expert machinist, beats the noob with a CNC every time.
PirateKitty I wish I could agree with you, but at work our 20 year old okuma CNC lathe is used to cut bushings aroun 2" dia 5" long out of oil-lite bronze with a tolerance of ±.0001" and takes about 50 seconds start to finish. 95% or better are within tolerance. There's no way a human could begin to compete with that. Bronze mind you.
My definition of safety factor: On, or Off..
For the broken saw, you should run it till it breaks and see what fails.
See if the broken nut fully breaks or something else goes first.
It bet it lasts longer than the motor does or an owner throws it away for the latest greatest.
The essential craftsman is also how I found your channel and now I've spent the past 4 months watching your videos!
"The recipe is overexertion and gas station cookies."
Well that explains it, I've had mixed results with the gas station burrito. I'll have to try the cookies. One day I hope to level up to the gas station sushi.
The Essential Craftsman, what a great channel!
Give the tool some nice big ass visible ding on the case so it's still perfectly usable but not returnable to a store. Like, mill AVE on the side with the bridgeport or something like that
I'm so glad the two of you master TH-camrs are plugging each other. You're both brilliant. He's just a touch more safe for the kids. Until he throws that running chainsaw toward his feet!
I love watching your videos! I've learned so dang much and had a lot of fun doing it. You're a fantastic teacher. Thanks, peace!
Tools like that are the reason smart boys didn't pick bar fights with older timey tradesmen. One punch by a guy who used that beast would knock a water buffalo into next week.
Who needs a fucking gymnasium or health club when every fucking tool weighs 25 pounds or more?!?!
I'm a framer and still use the old skillsaw HD, I don't even fight anymore because of shit like that.
Brian Garrow 😂 no doubt. Same old fart has a 4 lbs framing hammer and three fingers on his left hand
Yup and they swing that 4lb framing hammer for 12+ hours a day. My grandfather was one of those minus the missing fingers. Had hands and arms like a damn bear.
You little girls are cute.
Talking about us masons like we don't watch AvE.
Boof Are you kidding? My first choice for a wingman would be a pissed off mason who just got served his divorce papers from his wife who ran off with his unemployed cousin, Percy. I don't mess with anybody who has biceps bigger than Arnold Schwarzeneggers thighs!!! Mass respect from the rest of us!!!
Just saying...
AvE and Essential Craftsman are a couple of my favorite channels here. I always appreciate videos like this where one channel responds to another.
I think you should contact the company and complain about the broken parts
Damn you with that intermission, ye should give a fella fair warning, it nearly done did kill me, pepsi cola is for drinking not inhaling. Quality as ever.
Maybe the magnesium base not bending is a feature? I'd say it'd be better to have a few chunks missing than to have the base all cattywompus.
Except you don't get a few chunks missing. You get half of it broken off and a useless tool, while you're 50 miles from Bumfuknowhere and you only have an hour to get something finished.
I love how you guys are doing the reviews like this. Good way to link it all together.
You're passion for machining is inspiring.
Man, I moved away from the Pacific Northwest 18 years ago, and I just now realized when you said it that I haven't heard anyone call the ol work truck a crummy since then. Guess it's just not a thing on the east coast. Crazy the waves of nostalgia I got just from that one word.
No mileage in alerting the manufacturers to the issue and getting a new nut? Old nut out of circulation, new nut for the tool and a slight chance of design review. Win, win, win.
My thoughts exeactly. Only 6 days later. Me thinks tho that this may be treading too close to endorsement for ol uncle bumblefuck
Mihkel Laansoo wait.. what? The video has been out 6 days?
alles klar klaus Look at the comments.. 6 days old
vidyao's are released early for Patrons. It's been like that for a while.
IVIenac3 directly on youtube.. interesting. That explains everything
Knowing that the new saw is already garbage, you should do a torture test until it blows up. Find out if it fails at the cracked gear nut or if something else let's out the magic blue smoke.
Send it over to Project Farm. He blows everything up!
AvE and essential craftsman wiring together, I like it
This video was the one where i found out about Essential Craftsman. I've since watched every single one of his videos lol. Great channel.
send it along to the next guy but keep the box. Ain't no one taking back a skillsaw in a walmart grocery bag.
Patrons get everything a week earlier.
Are you kidding? This is ‘merica. People would return it wearing a Walmart bag.
Don't give the receipt or the box, also ding it up a little so the store wont take it back cuz its been heavily used.
As a former Front - End Assistant Manager, I can assure you, that yes, they will try to return it in just a plastic shopping bag.
This kills me :D
theres nothing worst than getting a hair around the top of your hammer.... especially if the wife finds it first
woot woot, a love from Ave..... i have arrived :-)
phil no- IKR?!? You really don't want to find bone chips and blood in the underside of the blade guard either.
Witness!
lmfao... you know this
phil no o
I loved this video so much. Your commentaries are LOL funny. That framing guy insert was just wonderfully entertaining. Thanks
Good call on the defective saw! You did the right thing. And thanks for another informative video! I always enjoy watching your work. Years ago my father owned a armature manufacturing facility (back before the politicians sold us down a river). We manufactured new units, as well remanufactured units. I don't know about other facilities, but we only inked the steel laminations on remanufactured armatures, and not the new ones. Blue, just like the one depicted from the USA saw. I inked many of them! back in the day. I can still smell the ink from the pad we rolled them on.
My old boss always said.. the heat is in the tools. I never understood until I was freezing outside knee deep in construction. Lol
Essential Craftsman is an excellent channel!
Took a break from the TH-cam but this sir is comedic gold, the intermission was epic. I too found the silver-haired Craftsman In trying to learn a thing or two and was hooked. You're both great educators. Thanyou.
That was a great objective look into that old (and the new) beast. Glad that you didn't get too sentimental about how things used to be. Great to see the engineering and machining involved but some of those modern touches are a plus.
I’m glad you found that intermission video. Minnesota proud.
Ah! haha! It’s on my hammer now. Bleh! 😩
Nothing worse than another man’s hair on your hammer. 🔨
Zylon FPV ... Except if you hit him in the head with your hammer ... hrhe!
(Joke)
Man? You gotta be careful with that. You don't know what gender pronoun that old Craftsman used
*Craftsperson 🙃
Hair? on your hammer? which hammer? hopefully not the one down you kit.
Gross...
Going through some of your older videos, so much good stuff to find.
Love the channel!! Not a engineer but can’t stop watching the tear downs! Good work boss 👍🏻👍🏻
Intermission....’That laugh people do when they almost die.’ Hahaha. Wakes you up! Great review of the 77 I just bought. Skookum!
i'd like to see ya machine a replacement nut! surely this is with in the capabilities of the empire of dirt!
Not only fixing but improving it along the way.
Or likewise just shoot a Vahjaho completely destroying that abomination
Either way
That's awesome it was through his channel that I found your channel.Great stuff man, you are a beast.
I love how proud of the mess he is during the viggeo, especially when he goes to compare or show something up close, he just drops whatever was in the right hand. Even into a bunch of ancient, dirty tool blood. Fucking awesome comparison viggeo my friend!!
Found your channel from the @essential craftsmen. Haven’t stopped laughing during the lesson
The triumvirate (Essential Craftsman, AvE and Handtool Rescue) are singlehandedly together going to drive up to price of the Skil 77 saw. Get 'em while they are still cheap!
@@mipmipmipmipmip the real treat especial is when you bothered to hook the green ground wires terminal to the screw on the metal box only to get shocked anyway because the damned elekchicken didn't ground the receptacle or even the whole damn system. I know because I've come across old buildings built long after grounding was mandated that still only had 2 wires in the walls and the ground lug doing fuckall when doing repair work.
@@KR-hg8be electricians are not replacing 2 prong outlets with 3 prong outlets without a ground wire. Handymen and homeowners are.
NEC only allows a 2 prong outlet without a ground to be replaced by another 2 prong outlet or 3 prong GFCI
@@dennism316 lol well I've worked on some shop buildings owned and built by a licensed electrician back in the 90s. That were as I described. 3 prong outlet, 2 strands of thhn in plastic conduit without a ground wire.
Thanks for the name drop, just found my new favorite channel!
Just finished a long shift at the hospital and watched this with a cold beer to unwind. Love your vidayos:)
Just grind/mill AvE logo into the casing, that way it is not returnable item anymore and yet for a fan it doubled in value.
Plague so it would be DiRetarded
call skill saw directly and tell them about the quality control issue
Now THAT is a call we need recorded. For, y'know, training porpoises.
I'd love to hear/ watch that happen!
killernat i doubt they care, but the result doesn't matter. I agree UBF has to contact them.
Nice tip o' the hat to the essential craftsman. I too enjoy his format and leasons.
That is literally what it was like for me working as a framer for the first few houses.
100% exact representation of the job.
I loved that job.
I just watched The Essential Craftsmanship do a first impression video a couple days ago on this saw and noticed he mentioned AvE... So I was hoping you'd do a dissection on it soon.
I have the tool about middle of the two. Somewhat lighter, not a lot, than the old, more ergonomic to the hand but still WAY more durable than the new. I'll keep it. These tools were designed to last as long as you're willing to take care of it. Rebuildable.
No new crap for me. I'm lookin for an older hole hog. :)
If it has American bearings it probably isn't rebuildable because you can't find replacement bearings.
@@johncooper4637
Thanks. And thanks for pointing out that auto-correct bit me again, I fixed my typo... lol
I've found Granger to have things nobody else does. But I get ya. It's often true.
Thank you for turning us on to guys you like too sir!
immense value and entertainment
It’s funny that I’ve been watching both of your channels for quite some time now and both of you have mentioned each other
📌🙋Ave just letting you know I love the things you do its nearly winter here and i suffer from s.a.d. 😢and the stuff you do take my mined off things and makes me feel better so thank you so much 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
ND bearing probably New Departure (Hyatt) Bearing most likely made in my home town of Sandusky, Ohio
Tommy boy??
this is the video where i learned of easily one of the best channels on the Tube. Essential Craftsman his channel is silly good. like its insane how great he is. watched EVERY video he has
AvE and Essential Craftsman, my two favorite channels!
I have the next larger saw, the 825. It's a beautiful thing for sure! I love taking old tools apart. The worm drive Skilsaw is a wonderful machine and the one I like best on a framing job, but Porter Cable made many of the very finest and most expensive power tools in the USA back in the 1930s up into the 90s. Tear into a PC K series circular saw, or a worm drive "Take About" sander such as a 503, or a BB10 and you'll be amazed.
Do you know what was an absolute nightmare to strip, speaking of old machinery.
A 3 speed column shift Toyota corrola gearbox, shit was skookum, still worked after 50 years of sitting in a paddock but it was a pain to get apart and even worse getting back together.
The bearings didn't pull with a normal puller, there was circlips needing unreasonable pressure.
You'd think something that simple would be easy to pull apart but it took me forever
Great vid! Remove the cracked nut and place it on the Shelf of Broken Dreams. Send off the balance of parts as a basket case to a lucky winner, along with the part number of the nut needed to assemble the drive shaft. That way the recipient can reassemble it and use it.
Scott has fantastic content. His musings on hard work are deep and smack of a truth you only understand after earning them through years of hard fought experience. Fortunately for us, he isn't stingy with his wisdom.
I've commented before about these old Skil and Milwaukee worm drive saws. I love them, they're heavy, powerful and last a long time. BUT framing houses in the pacific northwest in the winter... yeah, that metal handle is the ground and the first raindrop that hits it, and you're going to be looking for the double insulated Makita hypoid.
Hey, I think I know why that powdered metal retaining nut is cracked. You tried to get it off by hitting it with some round stock and a hammer; the shock loading could have easily caused that crack.
I was just gonna comment that. Gorilla went at.
Yep ol passion fingers at it again
Congratulations captain obvious
False
Thank you so much for that interlude, I about fell over laughing. It was exactly what I needed.
Old vs new teardowns would be a good addition to your channel! We all loved seeing the difference 50 years makes.
send me the bag of parts, i'll put it back together and to good homegamer use.....AND send you a photo of it every year for Christmas to prove I still got it
You want that weight so that it "falls" through the wood you're cutting.
The Killsaw I used today was less than 6 months old and the shaft bent on the common encounter of a knot in the wood.
Thanks for much needed laughs and expanding my vocabulary!! I love being knee deep in tools even though I'm a girlie girl...!! so glad I found your channel....
Did my apprenticeship with a guy that was 67 years young, been in the business for over 50 years, learnt more from him in my tea break than most guys could teach you in a month.
Send the nut back to the manufacturer and ask for a new one. Give 'em a link to the video. It's not accepting freebies if they legitimately owe you one because it was cracked on the brand new saw you purchased... I'd be interested to find out how common that problem is..
AvE could you do more head to head comparisons like this? New Makita vs. old. Post TTI Milwaukee vs. old.
Love the intermission worked in hvac for 8 years in Minnesota and worked with CCC every day love it lmao
I’m a big fan of essential craftsman too. He is one of the reasons I’m got kinda good with a chain saw. I am also a big fan of yours I really enjoy you videos. Big hello from Ireland, keeping it in a vice 😆
Are you refering to handtool rescue? I love his channel.
Your bench looks like a diy open heart surgery.
It's known as the "healing bench." And there's gotta be some hurtin', before there can be any healin'.
Liked for the Essential Craftman shoutout. Top notch guy.
EDIT: Also a good vidjayo.
Dude, i love your videos. Sometimes i need to translate, but it is funny and informative.
Essential craftsman, I love his vids.
Knowing you, you tossed instructions 10 seconds in. But in case ya didn't is there a parts list to order a new nut. If not then sure trade it, if he will take it.
Yes!!!!! The intermission vidjeo is incredible haha
I had the exact thing happen for me while making stakes, all the guys were having a good laugh the next day. Great story!
the reaction to human smoo is priceless
I completely agree. Scott the Essential Craftsman is a class act... But, he's no AvE!!!
Why can't I like every time I watch a video? Six start to finish watches later, I deserve an extra effing like!!!
That intermission was epic!
AvE Do a review on the newish subcompact (black and white) Makita drill
Simon Ashton I love mine, I use it every day at work building airplanes and had it for about a year.
What is the difference between the black and white and regular Makita drills?
Bob Horton I believe the size, black and white one is smaller.
Would be interesting. They are pretty crazy lightweight and small. Not much volume in there for meat, especially if the geartrain is MIM parts. Seems like it would limit its potential for acceptable levels of skookumnicity.
AvE, Good call honoring your gut there. You could fix it or include the replacement part to whoever you give it to. That cracked pm nut isn't sold separately, but sold with the gears pre-installed, p/n 1619X07035. List price is $41 freedom, and can be found at list on amazon, free ship eligible. Saw as high as double that price from crooks elsewhere online so be careful. Why don't you just warranty the damn thing tho? Has a 1yr against defects and that sure as shit is a defect.
The problem with the warranty is no store will take it back in pieces, but most stores will just re-shelf it because it looks brand new and will run perfectly. Maybe just be on a clearance section.
The warranty has to be direct with the manufacture then, but that is hard enough to do.
He broke that part in the other vijeo whacking on it when it was in a vice.
th-cam.com/video/G6fJ8xFDYSM/w-d-xo.htmlm32s
I love that you are friggin hilarious... AND I get material science lesson every time as well!
The Essential Craftsmen is the guy you're talking about and you're right he is a treasure of info, Ive been on construction for 25 years and the guy has forgotten more than Ill ever know and is a construction genius. You two should do a collaboration sometime, although I don't think he would approve of your sailor talk