@@krazykracken1159 Doubt it, they're comparable brand new, but that Snap on will still be working 30 or 40 years from now (with a few rebuilds of course if being used professionally), the Earthquake will run out of steem long before that and the likelyhood of someone rebuilding a harbour freight tool, even if you could get the parts is higly unlikely
25:48 This guy keeps his McMaster Carr catalog in a wooden case with a leather strap and stainless steel carrying handle. Every man should aspire to this degree of greatness.
I have a simple method when it comes to if its worth buying the pricey tool. Unless its an obvious staple tool like a drill for a woodworker or one of these for a mechanic, I buy the cheap one, and if it breaks after some use, that means I use the tool enough to buy the pricey one.
Great method people always say this $1000 dollar one will put last this $150 dollar one buy decades. That might be true but I have a lot of cheap tools that perform too notch for years and never get replaced because they work
@@MegaQuadguy True that, but a mechanic with worn out tools can cause more than $1000 of damage in a single job. Wouldn't trust a shop with cheep tools. No one likes having their nuts stripped figuratively and literally.
28:20 If you remove the silencer sponge from the outlet you gain loads of extra torque. As much as your colleagues will hate you for having the loudest gun in the workshop they'll be asking you to undo what they can't! (Ear protection advised if you do this!)
The thumbnail of that green mat on that work bench has become as distinguished to me as that black leather couch in those dirty videos. Seeing it over and over again gets you all excited when a new one comes out. ;)
Thanks, now I won't be able to ever watch those again without hearing AvE's voice in my head. Today we've got an 18 year old from Georgia...I'm super excited to take her apart and see how she chooches!
That B anudder ooneely murkin dilemna. I have four in my town.I'm unnamurkin. Not a despot/bloze/Wallbergmart in 2000 miles. Mainors-electrician owned, Julios--steel-fastener-wood,, Marcela(gurl hardware and arts/crafts-fabric) and Milton---glass specialist. Lotsa SS and aluminum goodies
Should have been more clear... one that is worth a crap. I went in the deathspot a few weeks ago and ask the bearded woman behind the counter where I could find a *compass* she/he ask me "what's a compass". (I was was thinking circles not north).
Spaniard here. Left my screwdriver at home for a house call (Doh!), so I went to a nearby hardware store to purchase one. Just a regular philips + style screwdriver. None to be had. Went to the chinese run convenience store nearby, a variety of them, complete with fake Chromium-Vanadium marking.
never broke but a couple of ratchets over 40 years of working .Craftsman gave me anew one ,snapoff put some gears in my super fine ratchet that never worked the same afterward. I spent about 75K over the years and less than 1k was on snap on. no one makes up lost sockets 10mm or 1/4 ratchets and I have lost a couple over the years .
Ave I freaking love your videos. I'm a 19 currently going to school for mechanical engineering, and currently working as a engineering intern and as a press brake operator / welder. I watch all of your videos and I must say you have truly helped me. You brought me to the next level showing all the tricks the old timers don't show when machining and just showing all the parts what they do and every little awesome thing
Continue doing shop and minor job work and most importantly of all use stuff you design and want to design (But if you can't get info from people that use the stuff). Those two things will completely change how you can design something. Because knowing how something is made and used from personal experience and work stories, allows you to truly know what can be done to make a good product. Because a lot of engineers now are just lab engineers who know the science of the stuff, but don't ahev the in field experience from using the items and making them.
One thing you will learn later in you education is head loss with a pipe. This is something for you AvE as well. There are some simple equations for loss in a pipe. using basically a K factor for the tees and elbow joints as well as different shapes of openings. The loss equation for a length of hose/tubing (Colebrook equation) based on interior roughness, size, and Reynolds number (Pressure, viscosity , etc.). Its an iterative equation that would be easier to build a program or run through matlab.
It also helped when i was in school to watch other videos on how things were made. Best advice though is to keep getting internships and don't do the same one twice. You learn just as much if not more about what you want to do when you graduate in a position where you dislike the work.
Ryan Cooper good for you man. I went for precision manufacturing in tech school, mainly machining. Also worked in a steel stamping shop with press brakes. And you know what? I am 22 now and I work in a granite and stone countertop fabrication shop as a fabricator and foreman. You will find what you love as long as you move around.
Ehay I'm 19 too and going to school for mechanical engineering, small world. I also love these videos, the more I watch the more I speak like them. I've learned a ton here that theoretical classes and lectures can't do justice. Even if I don't remember everything from these in the back of my mind I'll that there's always another way doing something. I'm currently at an internship doing medical plastic thermoforming, where I'm mostly doing QC which I know if regret but totally worth it to learn that's not what I want to do with my life. Thanks, this is a great community.
So here is what I think is the issue with the other video you are referring to. I also thought that there must be some trickery going on. But I did not know enough to see the trick, so I educated myself. First I went to the Skidmore-Wilhelm website and read their best practices guide for tool testing. I notice that they indicate that an automatic air cutoff timer should be used so that air will be applied for the exact same amount of time for each tool being compared. They state that inconsistent times will impact the results. Looking back at the video and there is no indication of how he was keeping time. In fact he speeds up the video so it is impossible to tell if the times are consistent between runs. So I began to think that he may have been running the HF longer to deceive the same results. However, the results were all extremely consistent,
No idea. I don't think it matters unless it was delivering less than the 6.0 cfm required by the HF tool. The Snap tool lists 5.2 cfm as the required flow rate. Creating a test for impact tools is very difficult because unlike a hand torque wrench where the force increases proportional to the force applied at the end of the tool in a roughly linear way an impact tool delivers force through a succession of hammer blows with pauses in between there the material being driven is no longer under strain. Then when the force is applied it is applied to multiple forces of the tread. I really don't understand all of the physics well enough to explain it but it is much different than the forces traditionally encountered in tools. All of the patents I read regarding testing impact tools all discussed the extreme difficulty in accurately testing the various forces involved. The testing method being used was not patented until 1983, which to me shows the complexity of the problem. The test he was using is designed to measure how the force from the impact is delivered and maximum force applied. i.e. is it delivered with more forceful impacts over a shorter time or lighter impacts over more time. The inventors of the test tool state that the maximum force measurement is not a useful when comparing two tools. The reason for that is maximum force, assuming a properly functioning tool, will be the same at any set pressure. The only real purpose of the maximum force test is to see if the tool is functioning up to it's specifications or if it is malfunctioning. When the tool stalls out when maximum force has been being applied. Depending on the application, such as what material the tool is being used on the way the force is applied does matter. Some materials may distort or break if force is delivered too quickly. Other applications may benefit from the having being applied over a short time. The maximum force applied will be determined by the air pressure, because once the tool stalls out no more force is being delivered. If neither tool is leaking air pressure past it's seals they will both reach the same maximum force. Of course if one is poorly constructed and begins to leak air past it's seals it will no longer be able to reach that same maximum force because it cannot hold the pressure in the motor and will stall out without having delivered as much force. Since they were both new tools the seals were intact and therefore reached the same maximum force at 90 psi. He intentionally ran the test past the 5 second recommended by the testing tool manufacturer presumably to allow the HF to catch up with the Snap tool. So the Snap tool may have reached the maximum force (at 90 psi) in 3.5 seconds and the HF may have taken 10-12 seconds, we don't know because he sped the film ups so we can't see.
Crossposted your youtube copyright snafoo to the skookum subreddit. As a youtuber myself, I know the pain of a false claim made by scumbag companies. I hope it gets sorted out ASAP. I lost out on ~$400 because of one of those.
The mechanism of the earthquake requires more torque to compress the spring, because the spring has to move the whole hammer. The Snap-on springs only move the pins, which have lower inertia. Therefore the Snap-on springs have a lower stiffness. This means, that the torque during the charge of the hammer blow is larger for the earthquake. This alone could make it "win" the competition during the down times, even if the the peak-torque were lower. Furthermore the earthquake spring also creates rotational acceleration when the hammer is released (via the ramp that compressed it). This means, that the energy from the compressed spring now adds to the torque applied from the motor during the acceleration phase for the impact energy. This means, that the power of the motor is used more continuously, since the energy of the phase before release of the hammer is also used and stored in the spring. This happens twice per rotation. The Snap-On on the other hand has very little energy storage in the springs and this energy is transferred at an angle where high friction is a problem (probably one of the reasons for oil instead of grease). This leads to lower torque before release, but this lower torque also means lower power output of the engine, and therefore less accumulated energy. On the other hand. the Snap-On strikes once per rotation, so the acceleration phase is longer, and the engine power of a full rotation is used for the strike energy (but remember the phase before release has low power). TLDR: The earthquake uses the power of the engine more efficiently, but spreads it out over twice as many strikes, and requires higher resting torque. The Snap-On draws highly fluctuating power from the engine, which is less efficient, and requires a more robust engine design, but it concentrates the energy on one single strike per revolution. The direct coupling test measures the average energy, and therefore for similar motors the efficiency, so the earthquake wins, but it does not measure peak torque.
Sorry I thought of the Makita Mechanism. Even worse, I thought the snap-on has the hilti mechanism. Both, Earthquake and Snap-On, use the same mechanism combining the disadvantages of both other systems (two strikes, and low energy storage). So the difference can come from three sources: - Higher base torque leads to a win during the phases between the strikes (grease instead of oil) - The spring (gas in the pneumatic motor) is harder due to the smaller volume, and lower speed of rotation. - The flow may be better
An old mechanic told me 30 years ago never buy a snap on impact go with in Ingersoll rand or just about any other brand I’ve listen to him and I’ve had nothing but good luck with my Ingersoll rand
I've only bought 1 thing from Ingersoll Rand (the Irish snap-on) from what I hear. But high quality from the looks of it... Everything is finished nicely, feels good in your hands, has plenty of power and really wasn't too expensive If I remember right.
Im know this is way late. Totally agree with you're assessment. Love HF for occasional use tools. Another factor that makes me lean their way is theft. A box full of Snapon stolen is catastrophic
I don't wanna crap on a guy making killer-ass videos I've been watching for free for years now, and I certainly am no wizard on the scientific method front, but it occurs to me that if you supply more air to the Earthquake and it wins and then you supply more air to the Snap-On and it wins, then the only thing you proved is that more air = more power relative to the tool with less. That could mean the Snap-On's more powerful in both cases but the lower air was enough to make it lose. It could mean the Earthquake is more powerful in the same way. It could mean they're equal in performance and the air difference is enough to bias the test. But just from one swap, we can't determine if the guns had equal power, or if one had more power vs. the other. We only showed that the difference in air pressure supplied (and we don't know the % difference) mattered in this test. Like I said, I'm no wizard. If I'm wrong it wouldn't surprise me at all. But that's as I understand it.
Pyrichia I think he should remake the tee in the air line, so the supply comes up the middle of the tee and makes a turn to either impact. One hose swap was disappointing, but understandable. This comparison could take quite a bit more work to be conclusive.
Even better is the other reviewer i believe used the same supply on a proper rig to test torque. All this proves is that air tools need the proper food to work as intended. Tearing down and scientific reasoning is all well and good but it is no replacement for methodical testing in the real world. There may be unknown factors at play.
it just means theyre close enough in output that a simple air flow difference can pull it one way or the other. maybe he should try 2 seperate compressors? so one cant choke the other
Yup nail right on the head, if I was a weekend warrior who worked on my car ever few months then yeh I’ll use harbor freight, but needing my tools to earn me a living for 60 hours a week I’m gonna buy top notch tools with top notch warranty’s. Years ago when I first started out as a oil and tire tech I bought the harbor freight earthquake and I believe it lasted a little under 6 months of daily usage
2491kridge until the snap on guy doesn’t show up and your wrench is broken for a week meanwhile you could’ve gone to town and swapped out a harbor freight piece
@@NigelHeads Snap On will help you directly, they always have for me. Send me what I need, and give my warranty to the rep whenever. I very rarely have issues with my Snap On products, and I mean damn rare. Maintain, and use them correctly, and they last decades. HF tools will not hold up to long term, professional use! The boxes are not bad for the price, but the tools? Nope
Certain things are ok to cheap out on, other things not so much. Not everything in your box has to be Snap On or Matco nor should everything be Harbor Freight.
Use the Earthquake at my family’s scrapyard to take tires off. Lol use it everyday and probably do about 80-120 tires a day and it works great for the price! Have had it for over a year!
TH-cam account that isnt a lot of cars. It takes 5 min to take all the tires off at the most with a breaker bar. There are quite a few 5 min times in a day.
MojoTheKillerMonkey the tests were flawed and proved nothing. 26 years ase master tech still rocking ingersoll rand titanium series composite impact wich bears uncanny, and rather suspicious resemblance to the gimped out earthquake. my gun is twelve years into daily torture and still regularly shames the 800 dollar im5100. only i got it off a tool truck mind you for 450. the harbor freght unit looks like it, sound nothing like it and barely serves the tire techs with embarassing results. my old beat up beast is not picky it will take it off or break it off and operates at pressure more than 40 psi above the rated 120 psi rated max. and has been doin so all these years. it has survived, blizzards buried in snow that collapsed the roof, flooding been under water for hours in a flooded shop. ingersol rand is the name on the gun wich has proven its worth time and time again even today
My boss has the 3/8 version for similar years. I tried it out and was amazed. It's not the most powerful but the reliability, trigger, and speed control is so fucking good.
I think Unkle Bublefuck is fired up, and righfully so. This marketing BS is out of control. Now they are getting sly with marketing guising it as "independent reviews". South Park did an entire series on the phenomenon, but I'm sure many think that show is just stupid humor.
Have a 30 year old 3/8 version of the snapon , still have it, still use it. It's won a few battles offer the years. One of the best investments a kid could have made.
as a pro auto tech (25 years) I've used both the snap-on ( the new-ish one ) and the composite IR thunder gun, the snap-on loses big time! IR has way more torque. had mine for 10 years and then decided to retire the old girl and bought the strapon, was really miffed that it preformed so poorly. i know that this vid isn't about the IR one but the plastic guns are really stronger than one would think
Always get a kick out of your videos, especially certain tool teardowns involving powder metallurgy. I actually work in the field and can lend a little insight. When you had the barrel of the gun under the scope, that thick "lip" is caused by worn tools which don't seal off too pretty when they compact the parts. This leaves behind flashing, of varying degrees depending on the severity of the tool wear.
I have a Chicago Pneumatic 1/2 inch impact I have been using for 35 years in my profession, never been rebuilt, runs strong to this day. I’m getting ready to retire, I should send it to you for a review
Oh AvE you’re just enough nerd mixed with cool shop dude. Love watching ya ramble through this stuff. I learn somethin, and daggunnit i’m gonna be doing it with a smile 😂
600 reverse, 500 forward iirc. I've owned that snap-on for over 20 years. looking at your teardown makes me very happy that I oil it every time I use it. I'm not a pro anymore, so my grandson may get that gun.
I am a big Snapon guy but I have never cared for their impacts as far as their air tool line goes. I have always went with IR for my 1/2 and 3/8 inch impacts. All my IR's I bought 30 years ago (when I first became a professional mechanic)are still in service. I have 2 of the composite IR2131's that I bought when they first come out and have not broken a housing. I am a transmission tech so they have taken a beating. Snapon's big 3/8s air ratchet is the best out there. As far as their hand tools go, i think they are the best out there. I've tried all the brands. Their Flank Drive combination wrenches are awesome. You get what you pay for. How they fit fasteners to the chrome finish to how they fit in your hand. When your wrenching all day long, these things matter. Not to mention the convenience of them coming to your door once a week. As their saying goes, "There is a difference". I also do own Harbor Freight tools and others like Cummings. Like you said, for the average home consumer, they are fine. If I am needing some tool for a job that I'll hardly ever do, it would be foolish to spend the big money. Many of my carpentry tools and equipment are HF. They work great for the few times that I use them. If I did it for a living, I'd be spending money on the big guys stuff. Anyway, Just found your channel and love it! I definitely learn a lot from you! Thanks!
Went through 3 snap ons in about 8 months in heavy use underground mining and have had a IR for just over 2 years now doing the same job, it is starting to feel a little sad now tho.
I install water main, services, fire hydrants all that cool shit people complain about (they complain when the water main blows out yet they complain when you fix it) my snap on gun broke, so I bought the Earthquake to tighten the mega lug bolts and the Earthquake works just as good...you do gotta lube the piss out of it...the dirt screws it up other than that I've had it 18 months it get thrown, dropped, use as a small hammer shit works great
There is definitely the option that the other reviewer is being completely above board but still produce the results that are counter to the your expectations. I have been in the consumer computing industry for over 20 years and it is commonplace to "design for the benchmark" even if real world performance will not follow in any way. Because the other guy seems to be exactly recreating the testing procedures that are specified it is not surprising that he is getting similar results to the advertising claims. It is often the smaller manufacturer that is trying to win comparisons so they are more likely to game the system even knowing that in real use the other product will be superior. If HF tuned their gun to maximize performance in the laboratory style torque test, which you already pointed out is not broadly applicable to other torque situations, then the data presented in the other review can be accurate. What you have repeatedly focused on in your videos is the real world application and usability of tools which is very helpful to me and others but because you create your own rigs your results will often not be easily substantiated by another person which would create doubt if you weren't so obviously dedicated to minimizing your biases. With that in mind I am often forced to use industry standard benchmarks that I don't think give an accurate representation but because that is the same test everyone else uses I have to comply and I am definitely not a shill. I can in no way ensure the validity of the other person's character or testing but there is a lot of room between what I have seen of him and being a blatant shill/cheat/etc.
Video cards are a perfect example of that. 3DMark is routinely exploited by manufacturers that know what OpenGL or DirectX calls are being made an optimize the cards to get the great numbers.
It's not specific to IT either. The Volkswagen scandal a few years back was just that: the on-board computer had routines to detect the test procedures, and tweaked the engine parameters to maximize the thing being benchmarked. For instance, to reduce emissions, they nuked the torque... but just on the test bench.
I Bought an Earthquake back in 2009. I was a Lead Tech for School Buses and used it at LEAST once a week. Tearing down brakes, etc. Here I am 10 yrs later and moved up to Charter Buses last year and increased the usage to about 2-3x a week minimum and my HF 1/2" Impact is still tearing it up.
AvE, I'd recommend looking at the distance between the center of mass of the hammers in relation to the center of the ratchet shaft. You could have a slower, lighter hammer, with a smaller motor, and STILL have more torque, of your lever arm is longer. Or maybe someone at Harbor Freight burned their first born at the stake.
Was just about to say this. Torque's only equation is force x Distance. I can increase torque with same power by simply increasing the length. As well it matters how much of the mass is also on the outside. I can have a heavy motor and the mass be more centered vs the other with less mass but it is more outward creating higher torque.
I'm going to say the difference at the shaft is none near existent. The lever is only gained near the shaft....The air pushes on the rotor....a smaller diameter shaft and larger vanes would equate to more air pushing NEAR the shaft and a VERY small torque advantage. More airflow would take away from the pressure at the tip right???? Think about that The old Snapon has a 12% longer vane...that means 12% longer vanes to include the vane TIP...where most of the torque is generated...leverage=torque. A smaller shaft would equate to more airflow, but at maximum 1/4 inch (I seriously doubt that) there is no serious torque to be had at 120PSI....Certainly NOT 12%. If the torque is the same it will be because of the screen or some other airflow restriction unknown
made buy every day joes indeed AVE, I worked for snap-on as a machinist for 13 years mostly making parts for air tools. I learned a lot there and am now a tool & Die maker for a tier maker for a tier 1 automotive supplier.
a thing to note on some of the older impact guns is that they were designed for larger diameter air hoses and fittings for maximum power because they were intended for professionals, but in doing so alienated the mom and pop garages that couldn't push enough cfm to really run them as intended, they eventually realized this after people complaining they didn't have any power and went back to designing them to work with standard airlines.
W-why not just put the T junction in the middle of equal lengths of pipe? Whatever bias is caused would be due to the differing air flows between the guns, but that would prove which has more torque regardless... right?
I never felt like HF was a place for professional grade tools, I have always seen it as a place that allows homeowners and people curious about skilled trades to dabble in fields without having to go broke doing it. I love your breakdowns though and they support my decision in a lot of HF purchases! They also help me steer clear of the absolute horrible things!
i got 20 years dealership use on a $49 harbor freight earthquake. just get the $89 aluminum one now. if you need one this really is the way to go. it is better than the expensive ones. Get high flow 3/8 fittings and it really hits hard. the 3/8 Pittsburgh flex head ratchet is better than so and so are their tool boxes
Ours has been working great for years.... From the jump you can tell he just loves his snap on...plus the earthquake he's using is compared to the newer snap on gun... Everyone knows the older tools from most companies were alot better than these new ones, hell I loved our IR, the earthquake replaced it when it came up missing
Hope AvE sees this but the reason it has more torque is bc of the placement of the ports. The motor only uses the volume from inlet threw motor to outlet. Not the whole motors volume. So the fact that it is biased so far In favor of reverse is where it is getting the extra power.
Snap-On might be following Ford's approach to V8's in their old Panther body cars. Big V8, down-rate it towards 4-cylinder territory. And then it lasts forever, because you'd be hard pressed to break it under normal use. Which is why cab fleets loved those things. So Snap-On may have snuck a bottle-neck in there even though all the mechanicals say it has plenty of room to do better. Other one does all it can to punch its weight in the numbers game, but don't expect it to last half as long. And again what you said about the market it serves sounds spot-on.
I love your videos man and you're hilarious! Also learned/ relearned alot about electronics and moving parts, hope you keep them coming... that's what she said.
I'm left somewhat underwhelmed by the outcome of this VJO, because I felt the results were less than definitive and in the end the corn-clusion seemed more informed by personal bias than something we clearly saw from the test. I'd like to see a re-run of the head-2-head with the tee fed at the center by the compressor, and equal length lines (ideally the same line size, material, and vendor) from the tee to either gun. Yeah, you'll lose some available pressure under full chooch from the air turning 90 degrees in the tee, but it ought to be closer to equal handicap provided to both guns and neither one should be just starved for air. While the Strap-on looks and feels made more like a real professional tool (and real pros run far away from any product labeled "pro" because that's just there to gussy up a consumer grade tool from a consumer grade manufacturer) I think we need to see another hack at some definitive results. Just me sayin'.
I got my 1/2" impact off a Snap-On truck in about 1978. I used it on the job about 2 years, and have used it in my home shop since. Iirc it's a "Blue Point." I've been waiting for it to die for several decades, but it wont die. I don't lube it very often either. I've never had it apart. It's made the way tools used to be made.
Well actually the best way would be to put the two tools on absolutely identical air paths to a single compressor that can supply both completely. That way there's no chance of either tool having any different a supply at all.
Just thought id take a shot at why the impact with a smaller motor and less weight is preforming = to the larger motor. In energy calculations velocity has more affect than weight on energy. E= 1/2mv^2 So if the smaller mass of the motor and impact mechanism is able to accelerate faster between blows it could be producing more force. Lets say the snap-off has a 2 oz hammer and between blows it accelerates to 100 In sec the impact energy would be 10,000 InOZ of force. Now if the Harbor Freight impact has a 1 oz hammer yet is able to accelerate to 150 In sec between blows it would hit with 11,250 inoz of force. So with 1/2 the weight a 50% increase in speed gets you a 113% increase in power. Edited my terrible math.
True. I am not really familiar with how the motor in those pneumatic wrenches operates, but since I saw what looked like inlet and outlet ports I would assume that the lighter rotor, by accelerating faster would allow more airflow to pass through the motor and more potential energy of compressed air (P*V) would be transformed into kinetic energy in short period of time.
I think you're on the right track. I would also question air flow efficiency. The fap-off brand might have more theoretical torque if it is running right.... but if it has more blow-by than it should and the new hazard-frought version is running tighter, there is another thing to look at. Not sure if the blowby can be measured, but if nothing else could explain why an old worn tool doesn't perform the same as a newer one. Then again I could be pissing up the wrong tree. Glad I brought an umbrella. Thanks for loaning me your umbrella. It was originally yellow, right?
@@underourrock I wonder if these higher priced tools are designed with more of an AK-47 mindset. Little bit looser tolerances meaning a bit less performance, but it will last longer and deal with dirt and debris better.
I know long after the original post, but want to clarify a point of logic vs math. F = (0.5 * m * v^2) ÷ d Don't get me wrong, I'd take my Snap-on any day of the week, but you answered your own question while you were posing it. "The hammers are smaller". This means the hammers will turn faster, and will travel a shorter distance before impacting. This produces far more impact force than the heavier hammers as they're both given the same amount of driving force (air pressure) When considering impact force, velocity is far more important than mass (velocity gets squared, mass is at base value). This comes up all the time with swords. People think a big two handed sword strikes much harder than a one handed roman gladius (And could even cut a person in half in a single swing!) when in fact the two handed sword is all about reach, and the short one handed gladius can actually strike *much* harder because it's lighter and as such can be accelerated much more quickly. (Neither could cut a person in half with a single swing). So yes, I can fully believe the cheaper impact could strike just as hard (maybe not harder, due to the power loss from increased friction on worse tolerances), with the very statement "the hammers are smaller". You might ask "well if that was the case, why not just use really tiny hammers"? Because it's about the driving force. Once the hammers get up to the expansion rate of the air pushing them, they're maxing the velocity. So it's really about acceleration. If the heavier hammers could accelerate to the same velocity before impacting them the heavier hammer would win. However they're not reaching the expansion rate of the air. This is one of the ways impacts control power, changing the hammer weight. the most powerful impact would have hammers weights balanced to reach peak velocity just before impact. tldr: bigger hammers are more durable, lighter hammers strike harder.
Physicist here. You also need to check out something called resonate frequency. We deal with it a lot when dealing with vibrating or oscillating objects. If your tools do not resonate at an intuitive frequency, the forces are not being applied at the same time and will yield erroneous results. This test would have to be done under extremely controlled and precise conditions. Cudos!
When you buy a new snap on air impact, the rep will tell you that all snap on air tools require high flow air fittings and hoses for optimal performance. My PT850 is an air hog... and it is by no means the hardest hitting impact on the market. But it's fast, light, and well balanced.
The point of his video is in to actually test but the theorized about somebody else's video and how they could get skew readings because in all reality Snap-on tool with bigger weights hamburgers veins and everything should be beating Harbor Freight everyday of the week Dan he's just showing how that guy could have skewed results one way or the other
They really need to be completely separate hoses all the way from the air tank. The air guns use different amounts of air and the one using more air will drain the air from the hose while the other air gun starves for air. They are not designed to share air hoses.
Just found your videos and love em! I have the same snap on air gun as what you just showed and it is a workhorse, all of my snap on air tools are for that matter. Mine has to be 30 plus yrs old and is still going strong. I had one bolt in all my years as a tech that it wouldn't remove, surprisingly it took a mac 3/4 inch air gun to remove it, other than that one time it is and has been a hell of an air impact wrench for over 30 years. I would put it up against anything from overseas any day. You are 100 percent.correct in your thinking, bigger motor, hammers and speed will overcome smaller any day! Thanks for your channel.
90% of people don't realize impact guns have a ((OIL)) fill plug / area that's separate from the air oil. I have a old Ingersol Rand 1/2" , keeps on hammering... But honestly, cordless is becoming the way to go unless you work in a tire shop.
Yeah I have a pile of impacts made up of Snap-On, MAC, MATCO, and Florida Pneumatic. Use my cordless tools for most things. They are just so much quieter.
My guys tore up a new $400 IR in a month in the concrete factory, so I bought them 8 $50 dollar unbranded impacts that looked identical on eBay, 5 still worked not just a month later,but 6 months later, no more IRs for them...
I do know my 3 year old harbor freight 12” swivel head 3/8” ratchet has never failed me before. I’ve broken snap on extensions on that ratchet. It’s my go to ratchet for most applications every day. The guy in the bay next to me is on that snap on truck every week getting something warranty. I have snap on and Crowell and blue point and Matco and Mac tools. But there are a few tools I bought from harbor freight that truly are a reliable dependable tool for professional every day use. Impact sockets, some ratcheting wrenchs, a couple ratchets, bore scope, picks, 4 lbs dead blow hammer, and a few other tools have lasted me quite awhile without needing replacement
would testing again with independent and equal air compressors be a better test so that one tool doesn't steal air pressure from the one further down the line?
I have a small collection of snap-on tools one of the most useful and used tools was the ratchet screwdriver after 20 or so years of rc racing (cars and boats) it finally developed a problem took it to the snap-on guy he just gave me a new one of the shelf no question asked. He did say you must have used it alot
The hammer weight doesn't play a role alone, it also depends at which distance the hammer hits from the axis of rotation! Also the actual power output (aka average torque * rpm) will show which one would win in the test you make at the end of the video. However in real conditions where you torque a bolt you only care about the max torque as you have all the time you need to transfer the total energy needed for example to breakaway a bolt completely. Trust me, I'm an engineer!
This guy is nothing but AMAZING! I'm extremely impressed by his knowledge and extreme dedication of wanting to know how things work. I only wish i could put a face to the voice and hands lol.
I have the same HF impact and have no complaints. I picked it up as a display for 60% off orginal price. For the money its worth it and does everything i need as long as you can feed it the air it needs.
Wouldn't the moment of inertia be more meaningful than mass of the hammers? It appears at a glance that the radius of the hammers in the earthquake might be greater and thus may act as heavier hammers despite having a lower mass.
@@crazycriminals2012 proportional to mass and the distance the mass is from the center, bigger tool with larger area will deliver more rotational inertia.
One possibility is that Harbor Freight sent him a "cooked" unit that was tweaked or modified for performance that is different than the retail units. That is one of the reasons I don't accept tools from companies because I never would know if I'm getting the real thing.
Consumer Reports always purchases the things they test. I think most review products are legitimate but you can't really be sure if the product sent for review is identical to the product everyone else receives. There's also the problem with having a bias towards (or even against) someone for sending you free stuff. I have a tiny channel where I just post my projects but I even get free stuff sent to me. I find I have a really hard time expressing my negative opinions about the free things I've received. I, of course, always tell people if I received a product for free and I try to warn people of my bias. I think your approach is a better system for producing unbiased reviews.
I would take them if it was a "tell us what you think" arrangement looking just for feedback. For a legit public review they should just offer a rebate and have you get it from the same channels as everyone else.
Craftsmans done! I'm pretty sad about that. I loved going to Sears hardware like once a month just to check stuff out. We stop buying American and eventually we won't be buying at all.
Nah, harbor freight more than likely did. I still shopped there (sears) until the end. If I ever needed to exchange a socket or anything it was fairly easy to do but can't just drive 2 miles down the road anymore to that location.
I sold tools for sears 2015 when production was switching from us to china and Taiwan. All my tools of craftsman are us made. Im gonna hate when I have to replace something. The chinese ratchets id exchange daily. Plastic lever instead of metal. Average life span was 3 months. I bought snap on dual 80 ratchets. Iv used them for 5 years and some of them are 17 years old its a 36tooth
AvE's mind is blown When Earthquake takes the crown Extra rubber hose length Reduces the strength Of impacts farther on down This is why an impact tool on a longer (or coily) air hose sucks buttermilk compared to the same tool on a short, stout hard rubber air hose: it allows expansion space in the line between impacts and causes reduced pressure in the air supply.
i had a problem taking a fastener off for my impact at 50' of hose and I ended up raising the pressure on my compressor to 125-130psi. worked like a champ and took off the lug nut with ease. made a huge difference.
I would love to see an IR thrown into the mix. My IR has been going strong for 5+ years as a dealership technician. It may not be the strongest gun but it has removed or broken every fastener it has encountered.
A few days later after watching this video my impact gun broke just as you said by the handle. I don't think I'm ever buying more impact guns with a plastic housing
Remember, its all in the polymer of the plastic. Different polymers give different results. Plastics can last, but it'd have to be high quality plastics of course! 😂😉
I have a Sears Craftsman dual action sander serial number 482. I got in the 70's and it still works. I just got another one for $6 at a yard sale with a letters and numbers serial.
I had that very same Snap On gun in 1988. It wouldn't spin a greasy string out of a cat's ass when it was new. Good for a tire shop but not working on heavy equipment like I was. I bought an Ingersoll that was three times the gun.
15 years old and I’m sure he’s got 5 more payments left.
🤔😂😂😂😂😂
So true!
Somebody's upset that the own the Earthquake lol
@@CanadianCarguy247 it's better though lol
@@krazykracken1159 Doubt it, they're comparable brand new, but that Snap on will still be working 30 or 40 years from now (with a few rebuilds of course if being used professionally), the Earthquake will run out of steem long before that and the likelyhood of someone rebuilding a harbour freight tool, even if you could get the parts is higly unlikely
25:48 This guy keeps his McMaster Carr catalog in a wooden case with a leather strap and stainless steel carrying handle.
Every man should aspire to this degree of greatness.
Ya know how hard those are to get!!?? IDK if they even have a paper catalog anymore, glad I have one...
I have a simple method when it comes to if its worth buying the pricey tool. Unless its an obvious staple tool like a drill for a woodworker or one of these for a mechanic, I buy the cheap one, and if it breaks after some use, that means I use the tool enough to buy the pricey one.
Great method people always say this $1000 dollar one will put last this $150 dollar one buy decades. That might be true but I have a lot of cheap tools that perform too notch for years and never get replaced because they work
That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.
That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.
That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.
@@MegaQuadguy True that, but a mechanic with worn out tools can cause more than $1000 of damage in a single job. Wouldn't trust a shop with cheep tools. No one likes having their nuts stripped figuratively and literally.
28:20 If you remove the silencer sponge from the outlet you gain loads of extra torque. As much as your colleagues will hate you for having the loudest gun in the workshop they'll be asking you to undo what they can't! (Ear protection advised if you do this!)
The thumbnail of that green mat on that work bench has become as distinguished to me as that black leather couch in those dirty videos.
Seeing it over and over again gets you all excited when a new one comes out. ;)
AvE hahahaha!
Thanks, now I won't be able to ever watch those again without hearing AvE's voice in my head.
Today we've got an 18 year old from Georgia...I'm super excited to take her apart and see how she chooches!
i found out my wife had one of those exact mats, she was going to get rid of it but i snagged it cause of AvE!
Nicholas Of Alexandria can't tell if you're talking about ashens or casting couch
jappelable Does she still have the black couch???? 😂😂😂😂😂
"Try and find a good screwdriver at a hardware store". Sh!t, try and find a hardware store
Really, where? My country is full or hardware stores...
That B anudder ooneely murkin dilemna. I have four in my town.I'm unnamurkin. Not a despot/bloze/Wallbergmart in 2000 miles. Mainors-electrician owned, Julios--steel-fastener-wood,, Marcela(gurl hardware and arts/crafts-fabric) and Milton---glass specialist. Lotsa SS and aluminum goodies
Should have been more clear... one that is worth a crap. I went in the deathspot a few weeks ago and ask the bearded woman behind the counter where I could find a *compass* she/he ask me "what's a compass". (I was was thinking circles not north).
Daniel Graff where you you live buddy? there easy to find anywhere.
Spaniard here. Left my screwdriver at home for a house call (Doh!), so I went to a nearby hardware store to purchase one. Just a regular philips + style screwdriver. None to be had. Went to the chinese run convenience store nearby, a variety of them, complete with fake Chromium-Vanadium marking.
I used to own snap on tools and I remember when I snapped my ratchet in half then the snap on guy handed me a new one on the spot !!!!!
How do u snap one. I’m new to tools but howww😂
But not with airtools. In baltimore they cover no airtools... anything else they replace on spot
Harbour freight does the same thing
@@kingha1813 its a tool brand
never broke but a couple of ratchets over 40 years of working .Craftsman gave me anew one ,snapoff put some gears in my super fine ratchet that never worked the same afterward. I spent about 75K over the years and less than 1k was on snap on. no one makes up lost sockets 10mm or 1/4 ratchets and I have lost a couple over the years .
The secret, or "JFM" that makes the Earthquake stronger is that during assembly before they close the casing they whisper "skookum" into every motor.
What does JFM stand for? I've heard it mentioned in a couple AVE vids.
Ben Shamblin just f****g magic. You're welcome
Ave I freaking love your videos. I'm a 19 currently going to school for mechanical engineering, and currently working as a engineering intern and as a press brake operator / welder.
I watch all of your videos and I must say you have truly helped me. You brought me to the next level showing all the tricks the old timers don't show when machining and just showing all the parts what they do and every little awesome thing
Continue doing shop and minor job work and most importantly of all use stuff you design and want to design (But if you can't get info from people that use the stuff). Those two things will completely change how you can design something. Because knowing how something is made and used from personal experience and work stories, allows you to truly know what can be done to make a good product. Because a lot of engineers now are just lab engineers who know the science of the stuff, but don't ahev the in field experience from using the items and making them.
One thing you will learn later in you education is head loss with a pipe. This is something for you AvE as well. There are some simple equations for loss in a pipe. using basically a K factor for the tees and elbow joints as well as different shapes of openings. The loss equation for a length of hose/tubing (Colebrook equation) based on interior roughness, size, and Reynolds number (Pressure, viscosity , etc.). Its an iterative equation that would be easier to build a program or run through matlab.
It also helped when i was in school to watch other videos on how things were made. Best advice though is to keep getting internships and don't do the same one twice. You learn just as much if not more about what you want to do when you graduate in a position where you dislike the work.
Ryan Cooper good for you man. I went for precision manufacturing in tech school, mainly machining. Also worked in a steel stamping shop with press brakes. And you know what? I am 22 now and I work in a granite and stone countertop fabrication shop as a fabricator and foreman. You will find what you love as long as you move around.
Ehay I'm 19 too and going to school for mechanical engineering, small world. I also love these videos, the more I watch the more I speak like them. I've learned a ton here that theoretical classes and lectures can't do justice. Even if I don't remember everything from these in the back of my mind I'll that there's always another way doing something. I'm currently at an internship doing medical plastic thermoforming, where I'm mostly doing QC which I know if regret but totally worth it to learn that's not what I want to do with my life. Thanks, this is a great community.
Holy O' Shit ! Who else likes ANGRY AvE ???
Did he really talk himself into boreing out his impacts cylinder?? I love this guy 😂😂
29:15 “strap-on wins” Lmao
LOL
Hehehe
Strap-on or snap-on??
Yeah strap on, that's what that they come at you with when they send you the invoice.
its snap on
So here is what I think is the issue with the other video
you are referring to. I also thought that there must be some trickery going on. But I did not know enough to see the trick, so I educated myself. First I went to the Skidmore-Wilhelm website and read their best practices guide for tool testing. I notice that they indicate that an automatic air cutoff timer should be used so that air will be applied for the exact same amount of time for each tool being compared. They state that inconsistent times will impact the results. Looking back at the video and there is no indication of how he was keeping time. In fact he speeds up the video so it is impossible to tell if the times are consistent between runs. So I began to think that he may have been running the HF longer to deceive the same results. However, the results were all extremely consistent,
I'm not reading all of those words, but you have 16 likes so you're probably right
shit I read all the words......he might be right
Just read last paragraph. I added the rest so people could check my research and let me know if I am wrong.
mmonkeyking11
what size/ capacity compressor did the other fella use?
No idea. I don't think it matters unless it was delivering less than the 6.0 cfm required by the HF tool. The Snap tool lists 5.2 cfm as the required flow rate.
Creating a test for impact tools is very difficult because unlike a hand torque wrench where the force increases proportional to the force applied at the end of the tool in a roughly linear way an impact tool delivers force through a succession of hammer blows with pauses in between there the material being driven is no longer under strain. Then when the force is applied it is applied to multiple forces of the tread. I really don't understand all of the physics well enough to explain it but it is much different than the forces traditionally encountered in tools. All of the patents I read regarding testing impact tools all discussed the extreme difficulty in accurately testing the various forces involved. The testing method being used was not patented until 1983, which to me shows the complexity of the problem.
The test he was using is designed to measure how the force from the impact is delivered and maximum force applied. i.e. is it delivered with more forceful impacts over a shorter time or lighter impacts over more time. The inventors of the test tool state that the maximum force measurement is not a useful when comparing two tools. The reason for that is maximum force, assuming a properly functioning tool, will be the same at any set pressure. The only real purpose of the maximum force test is to see if the tool is functioning up to it's specifications or if it is malfunctioning.
When the tool stalls out when maximum force has been being applied. Depending on the application, such as what material the tool is being used on the way the force is applied does matter. Some materials may distort or break if force is delivered too quickly. Other applications may benefit from the having being applied over a short time.
The maximum force applied will be determined by the air pressure, because once the tool stalls out no more force is being delivered. If neither tool is leaking air pressure past it's seals they will both reach the same maximum force.
Of course if one is poorly constructed and begins to leak air past it's seals it will no longer be able to reach that same maximum force because it cannot hold the pressure in the motor and will stall out without having delivered as much force. Since they were both new tools the seals were intact and therefore reached the same maximum force at 90 psi. He intentionally ran the test past the 5 second recommended by the testing tool manufacturer presumably to allow the HF to catch up with the Snap tool. So the Snap tool may have reached the maximum force (at 90 psi) in 3.5 seconds and the HF may have taken 10-12 seconds, we don't know because he sped the film ups so we can't see.
Crossposted your youtube copyright snafoo to the skookum subreddit. As a youtuber myself, I know the pain of a false claim made by scumbag companies. I hope it gets sorted out ASAP. I lost out on ~$400 because of one of those.
25:13 "As with so many things in life: more stiffer, more better." I died 😂
Bought a $130 dollar jackhammer paid for its self in one day and it tore through the concrete and it still working well .
Likely in Australia they'd spin the other way.
the right way hahaha
haha well played.
NimsChannel poop goes up when they flush it in Australia.
yeah, but you learn to stand to the side after the first couple of times. 'straya.
Nah, upside down threads still turn the same way, it's only those weird left-handed threads that turn different.
The mechanism of the earthquake requires more torque to compress the spring, because the spring has to move the whole hammer. The Snap-on springs only move the pins, which have lower inertia. Therefore the Snap-on springs have a lower stiffness.
This means, that the torque during the charge of the hammer blow is larger for the earthquake. This alone could make it "win" the competition during the down times, even if the the peak-torque were lower.
Furthermore the earthquake spring also creates rotational acceleration when the hammer is released (via the ramp that compressed it). This means, that the energy from the compressed spring now adds to the torque applied from the motor during the acceleration phase for the impact energy. This means, that the power of the motor is used more continuously, since the energy of the phase before release of the hammer is also used and stored in the spring. This happens twice per rotation.
The Snap-On on the other hand has very little energy storage in the springs and this energy is transferred at an angle where high friction is a problem (probably one of the reasons for oil instead of grease). This leads to lower torque before release, but this lower torque also means lower power output of the engine, and therefore less accumulated energy. On the other hand. the Snap-On strikes once per rotation, so the acceleration phase is longer, and the engine power of a full rotation is used for the strike energy (but remember the phase before release has low power).
TLDR: The earthquake uses the power of the engine more efficiently, but spreads it out over twice as many strikes, and requires higher resting torque. The Snap-On draws highly fluctuating power from the engine, which is less efficient, and requires a more robust engine design, but it concentrates the energy on one single strike per revolution. The direct coupling test measures the average energy, and therefore for similar motors the efficiency, so the earthquake wins, but it does not measure peak torque.
Sorry I thought of the Makita Mechanism. Even worse, I thought the snap-on has the hilti mechanism. Both, Earthquake and Snap-On, use the same mechanism combining the disadvantages of both other systems (two strikes, and low energy storage). So the difference can come from three sources:
- Higher base torque leads to a win during the phases between the strikes (grease instead of oil)
- The spring (gas in the pneumatic motor) is harder due to the smaller volume, and lower speed of rotation.
- The flow may be better
An old mechanic told me 30 years ago never buy a snap on impact go with in Ingersoll rand or just about any other brand I’ve listen to him and I’ve had nothing but good luck with my Ingersoll rand
Me too
ingersoll rand is almost/ if not the industrial duty
Have 2 IRs and love em!
I've only bought 1 thing from Ingersoll Rand (the Irish snap-on) from what I hear. But high quality from the looks of it... Everything is finished nicely, feels good in your hands, has plenty of power and really wasn't too expensive If I remember right.
I was just getting ready to say that. Ingersoll wins hands down
Im know this is way late. Totally agree with you're assessment. Love HF for occasional use tools. Another factor that makes me lean their way is theft. A box full of Snapon stolen is catastrophic
What you came for starts at 29:08
thank u you just saved me 29 minutes of bullshit
Eric Blox Np
Ahh thank you!!!!
Clorox Bleach you're still everywhere bro
DaDonBossMan No problem, just one favor. Buy me at your local store! ... thanks
I don't wanna crap on a guy making killer-ass videos I've been watching for free for years now, and I certainly am no wizard on the scientific method front, but it occurs to me that if you supply more air to the Earthquake and it wins and then you supply more air to the Snap-On and it wins, then the only thing you proved is that more air = more power relative to the tool with less.
That could mean the Snap-On's more powerful in both cases but the lower air was enough to make it lose. It could mean the Earthquake is more powerful in the same way. It could mean they're equal in performance and the air difference is enough to bias the test. But just from one swap, we can't determine if the guns had equal power, or if one had more power vs. the other. We only showed that the difference in air pressure supplied (and we don't know the % difference) mattered in this test.
Like I said, I'm no wizard. If I'm wrong it wouldn't surprise me at all. But that's as I understand it.
Pyrichia I think he should remake the tee in the air line, so the supply comes up the middle of the tee and makes a turn to either impact. One hose swap was disappointing, but understandable. This comparison could take quite a bit more work to be conclusive.
Pyrichia AVE explained why the Snap On should be more powerful. This test just demonstrates that "tests" can be misleading.
Even better is the other reviewer i believe used the same supply on a proper rig to test torque. All this proves is that air tools need the proper food to work as intended. Tearing down and scientific reasoning is all well and good but it is no replacement for methodical testing in the real world. There may be unknown factors at play.
khurramsultan2012 iit
it just means theyre close enough in output that a simple air flow difference can pull it one way or the other. maybe he should try 2 seperate compressors? so one cant choke the other
High quality products are for professionals. Cheap tools are for people who don't use them for a living.
Yup nail right on the head, if I was a weekend warrior who worked on my car ever few months then yeh I’ll use harbor freight, but needing my tools to earn me a living for 60 hours a week I’m gonna buy top notch tools with top notch warranty’s. Years ago when I first started out as a oil and tire tech I bought the harbor freight earthquake and I believe it lasted a little under 6 months of daily usage
2491kridge until the snap on guy doesn’t show up and your wrench is broken for a week meanwhile you could’ve gone to town and swapped out a harbor freight piece
@@NigelHeads Snap On will help you directly, they always have for me. Send me what I need, and give my warranty to the rep whenever. I very rarely have issues with my Snap On products, and I mean damn rare. Maintain, and use them correctly, and they last decades. HF tools will not hold up to long term, professional use! The boxes are not bad for the price, but the tools? Nope
I’ve seen earthquake used in shops they’re great tools
Certain things are ok to cheap out on, other things not so much. Not everything in your box has to be Snap On or Matco nor should everything be Harbor Freight.
Use the Earthquake at my family’s scrapyard to take tires off. Lol use it everyday and probably do about 80-120 tires a day and it works great for the price! Have had it for over a year!
120 tires a day.. yeah ok
@@youtubeaccount550 that's only 20-30 cars worth, at a scrap yard thats not too difficult to come across I would imagine
@@caleblyman9528 30 cars is alot of cars coming in! 😜
TH-cam account that isnt a lot of cars. It takes 5 min to take all the tires off at the most with a breaker bar. There are quite a few 5 min times in a day.
30 cars a day aren't coming into your scrap yard. No fucking way.
The actual head-to-head test starts at 27:27 for anyone who is impatient as I am
MojoTheKillerMonkey Thank you a lot
you're the best kind of person
MojoTheKillerMonkey thanks you
MojoTheKillerMonkey ty
MojoTheKillerMonkey the tests were flawed and proved nothing. 26 years ase master tech still rocking ingersoll rand titanium series composite impact wich bears uncanny, and rather suspicious resemblance to the gimped out earthquake. my gun is twelve years into daily torture and still regularly shames the 800 dollar im5100. only i got it off a tool truck mind you for 450. the harbor freght unit looks like it, sound nothing like it and barely serves the tire techs with embarassing results. my old beat up beast is not picky it will take it off or break it off and operates at pressure more than 40 psi above the rated 120 psi rated max. and has been doin so all these years. it has survived, blizzards buried in snow that collapsed the roof, flooding been under water for hours in a flooded shop. ingersol rand is the name on the gun wich has proven its worth time and time again even today
I had one of those Snap On impacts... I got it toward the end of its life, when I got a brand new IR Titanium... my life changed for the better
"Double-lip Seal" - that was my nickname back in high school.
My boss has the 3/8 version for similar years. I tried it out and was amazed. It's not the most powerful but the reliability, trigger, and speed control is so fucking good.
I think Unkle Bublefuck is fired up, and righfully so. This marketing BS is out of control. Now they are getting sly with marketing guising it as "independent reviews". South Park did an entire series on the phenomenon, but I'm sure many think that show is just stupid humor.
kenny getting killed on the bridgeport would be funny
Kenny getting decapitated while climb milling on the bridgeport
Somebody ship AvE some SouthPark figures! (but will he mill them to Classical???)
It is stupid humor.
That's spot on to the truth. Many ways to communicate.
I don't think it's time to make assumptions, but I'm excited for the outcome, regardless of it.
im a heavy duty truck mechanic the 1/2 inch gun i have is the older version of earthquake its the same gun ive used for 7 years
Have a 30 year old 3/8 version of the snapon , still have it, still use it. It's won a few battles offer the years. One of the best investments a kid could have made.
Funny thing is my mom works at a snap-on in NC and she likes to watch things like this
as a pro auto tech (25 years) I've used both the snap-on ( the new-ish one ) and the composite IR thunder gun, the snap-on loses big time! IR has way more torque. had mine for 10 years and then decided to retire the old girl and bought the strapon, was really miffed that it preformed so poorly. i know that this vid isn't about the IR one but the plastic guns are really stronger than one would think
Funny, all the guys with IR borrow my snap on when they can't break loose bolts.
Always get a kick out of your videos, especially certain tool teardowns involving powder metallurgy. I actually work in the field and can lend a little insight. When you had the barrel of the gun under the scope, that thick "lip" is caused by worn tools which don't seal off too pretty when they compact the parts. This leaves behind flashing, of varying degrees depending on the severity of the tool wear.
I have a Chicago Pneumatic 1/2 inch impact I have been using for 35 years in my profession, never been rebuilt, runs strong to this day.
I’m getting ready to retire, I should send it to you for a review
Just send it!
I would watch that video.
i have the HF Earthquake and used it 20 years. never broke.
Oh AvE you’re just enough nerd mixed with cool shop dude. Love watching ya ramble through this stuff. I learn somethin, and daggunnit i’m gonna be doing it with a smile 😂
600 reverse, 500 forward iirc. I've owned that snap-on for over 20 years. looking at your teardown makes me very happy that I oil it every time I use it. I'm not a pro anymore, so my grandson may get that gun.
Hellova gun. Might even come close to it's rating.
+AvE hey, I know what it is... I bet the earthquake is measured in Chinese Torqes....
NG Hermit more like taiwanese torque. Im no taiwanese but as a fellow asian, I prefer being precise.
Just sat down to drop a stink pickle and boom new AvE video. Thank you sir, you make my poops alittle more enjoyable !
Rick Bricker amen brother
Rick Bricker I’ve never heard it referred to as a “stink pickle” 😂
:Stink pickle" is a new one to me, also. We used to refer to it as "dropping the kids off at the pool" when I was a youngster, though. :-D
Dropping the Obama's off at the White House is my favorite XD
We ran with taking the browns to the superbowl, but stink pickle is great.
I am a big Snapon guy but I have never cared for their impacts as far as their air tool line goes. I have always went with IR for my 1/2 and 3/8 inch impacts. All my IR's I bought 30 years ago (when I first became a professional mechanic)are still in service. I have 2 of the composite IR2131's that I bought when they first come out and have not broken a housing. I am a transmission tech so they have taken a beating. Snapon's big 3/8s air ratchet is the best out there.
As far as their hand tools go, i think they are the best out there. I've tried all the brands. Their Flank Drive combination wrenches are awesome. You get what you pay for. How they fit fasteners to the chrome finish to how they fit in your hand. When your wrenching all day long, these things matter. Not to mention the convenience of them coming to your door once a week. As their saying goes, "There is a difference".
I also do own Harbor Freight tools and others like Cummings. Like you said, for the average home consumer, they are fine. If I am needing some tool for a job that I'll hardly ever do, it would be foolish to spend the big money. Many of my carpentry tools and equipment are HF. They work great for the few times that I use them. If I did it for a living, I'd be spending money on the big guys stuff.
Anyway, Just found your channel and love it! I definitely learn a lot from you! Thanks!
Went through 3 snap ons in about 8 months in heavy use underground mining and have had a IR for just over 2 years now doing the same job, it is starting to feel a little sad now tho.
Ingersoll has proven themselves through extensive use in heavy industry. They make good solid tools.
Isn’t underground mining the black belt Jedi ninja death match of tools? The sure way to destroy everything?
I install water main, services, fire hydrants all that cool shit people complain about (they complain when the water main blows out yet they complain when you fix it) my snap on gun broke, so I bought the Earthquake to tighten the mega lug bolts and the Earthquake works just as good...you do gotta lube the piss out of it...the dirt screws it up other than that I've had it 18 months it get thrown, dropped, use as a small hammer shit works great
KMike68Camaro city or plumbing contractor
texasdee slinglead city obviously because he fixes water mains
texasdee slinglead....city Boston Massachusetts USA
There is definitely the option that the other reviewer is being completely above board but still produce the results that are counter to the your expectations. I have been in the consumer computing industry for over 20 years and it is commonplace to "design for the benchmark" even if real world performance will not follow in any way.
Because the other guy seems to be exactly recreating the testing procedures that are specified it is not surprising that he is getting similar results to the advertising claims. It is often the smaller manufacturer that is trying to win comparisons so they are more likely to game the system even knowing that in real use the other product will be superior. If HF tuned their gun to maximize performance in the laboratory style torque test, which you already pointed out is not broadly applicable to other torque situations, then the data presented in the other review can be accurate.
What you have repeatedly focused on in your videos is the real world application and usability of tools which is very helpful to me and others but because you create your own rigs your results will often not be easily substantiated by another person which would create doubt if you weren't so obviously dedicated to minimizing your biases.
With that in mind I am often forced to use industry standard benchmarks that I don't think give an accurate representation but because that is the same test everyone else uses I have to comply and I am definitely not a shill. I can in no way ensure the validity of the other person's character or testing but there is a lot of room between what I have seen of him and being a blatant shill/cheat/etc.
Very pointed. "Design for benchmark" I'm gonna use that one. Thanks!
This is an excellent point, thanks!
Video cards are a perfect example of that. 3DMark is routinely exploited by manufacturers that know what OpenGL or DirectX calls are being made an optimize the cards to get the great numbers.
It's not specific to IT either. The Volkswagen scandal a few years back was just that: the on-board computer had routines to detect the test procedures, and tweaked the engine parameters to maximize the thing being benchmarked. For instance, to reduce emissions, they nuked the torque... but just on the test bench.
Excellent observation. I'm a retired commercial aircraft engineer and your comment seems like it was written by a fellow engineer.
I Bought an Earthquake back in 2009. I was a Lead Tech for School Buses and used it at LEAST once a week. Tearing down brakes, etc. Here I am 10 yrs later and moved up to Charter Buses last year and increased the usage to about 2-3x a week minimum and my HF 1/2" Impact is still tearing it up.
I just tore down my new cheap impact wrench _before_ starting it and cleaned up the nasties inside so as to not ruin the vanes. Thanks for the tip.
If it walks like a duck, it sounds like duck and smells like a duck, yes, it's total bullshit.
wbbh Bullshit doesn't smell like a duck...
Does it float though, cuz it could be a witch
Ḳαяl ḱαґʟeκ True, but they are both foul odors.
AvE, I'd recommend looking at the distance between the center of mass of the hammers in relation to the center of the ratchet shaft. You could have a slower, lighter hammer, with a smaller motor, and STILL have more torque, of your lever arm is longer. Or maybe someone at Harbor Freight burned their first born at the stake.
Josh Hand wow wow wow.... How dare you add math and engineering to this. He said the options were magic or bullshit
What if it was magical bullshit?
+john handcock That is referred to in technical jargon as " Unicorn Plop "
Was just about to say this. Torque's only equation is force x Distance. I can increase torque with same power by simply increasing the length. As well it matters how much of the mass is also on the outside. I can have a heavy motor and the mass be more centered vs the other with less mass but it is more outward creating higher torque.
I'm going to say the difference at the shaft is none near existent. The lever is only gained near the shaft....The air pushes on the rotor....a smaller diameter shaft and larger vanes would equate to more air pushing NEAR the shaft and a VERY small torque advantage. More airflow would take away from the pressure at the tip right????
Think about that
The old Snapon has a 12% longer vane...that means 12% longer vanes to include the vane TIP...where most of the torque is generated...leverage=torque.
A smaller shaft would equate to more airflow, but at maximum 1/4 inch (I seriously doubt that) there is no serious torque to be had at 120PSI....Certainly NOT 12%.
If the torque is the same it will be because of the screen or some other airflow restriction unknown
As an engineer love it! You aren't like all those crap heads looking for sponsorships! Real opinions!!! Thank you!!!!
made buy every day joes indeed AVE, I worked for snap-on as a machinist for 13 years mostly making parts for air tools. I learned a lot there and am now a tool & Die maker for a tier maker for a tier 1 automotive supplier.
fwi, the oil it the nose cone is made for Snap-on by Redline.
a thing to note on some of the older impact guns is that they were designed for larger diameter air hoses and fittings for maximum power because they were intended for professionals, but in doing so alienated the mom and pop garages that couldn't push enough cfm to really run them as intended, they eventually realized this after people complaining they didn't have any power and went back to designing them to work with standard airlines.
W-why not just put the T junction in the middle of equal lengths of pipe? Whatever bias is caused would be due to the differing air flows between the guns, but that would prove which has more torque regardless... right?
Try and find a Sears nowadays
snocrushr The Canadian version is doing far better than the US one.
5Rounds Rapid ? they are under bankruptcy protection and are closing 59 stores
There's like 4 within 20 mins of me, plus like 3 Kmarts. Only one of the sears looks like it's falling apart.
I'm trying, I wanna buy all their clearance craftsman tools. They're circling the drain.
we have one but they are almost exclusively home/consumer tier craftsman dealers. its why the place is always empty of customers
I never felt like HF was a place for professional grade tools, I have always seen it as a place that allows homeowners and people curious about skilled trades to dabble in fields without having to go broke doing it. I love your breakdowns though and they support my decision in a lot of HF purchases! They also help me steer clear of the absolute horrible things!
i got 20 years dealership use on a $49 harbor freight earthquake. just get the $89 aluminum one now. if you need one this really is the way to go. it is better than the expensive ones. Get high flow 3/8 fittings and it really hits hard. the 3/8 Pittsburgh flex head ratchet is better than so and so are their tool boxes
Ours has been working great for years.... From the jump you can tell he just loves his snap on...plus the earthquake he's using is compared to the newer snap on gun... Everyone knows the older tools from most companies were alot better than these new ones, hell I loved our IR, the earthquake replaced it when it came up missing
Hope AvE sees this but the reason it has more torque is bc of the placement of the ports. The motor only uses the volume from inlet threw motor to outlet. Not the whole motors volume. So the fact that it is biased so far In favor of reverse is where it is getting the extra power.
So in other words... It chooches like Chachy! Lol
Snap-On might be following Ford's approach to V8's in their old Panther body cars. Big V8, down-rate it towards 4-cylinder territory. And then it lasts forever, because you'd be hard pressed to break it under normal use. Which is why cab fleets loved those things.
So Snap-On may have snuck a bottle-neck in there even though all the mechanicals say it has plenty of room to do better.
Other one does all it can to punch its weight in the numbers game, but don't expect it to last half as long. And again what you said about the market it serves sounds spot-on.
My father has had an earthquake impact for 9-10 years and its still kicks like a brand new one
I have an earthquake that is probably that old too that i bought used and it still works great. Its ridiculously heavy.
Bullshit
I love your videos man and you're hilarious! Also learned/ relearned alot about electronics and moving parts, hope you keep them coming... that's what she said.
I'm left somewhat underwhelmed by the outcome of this VJO, because I felt the results were less than definitive and in the end the corn-clusion seemed more informed by personal bias than something we clearly saw from the test. I'd like to see a re-run of the head-2-head with the tee fed at the center by the compressor, and equal length lines (ideally the same line size, material, and vendor) from the tee to either gun. Yeah, you'll lose some available pressure under full chooch from the air turning 90 degrees in the tee, but it ought to be closer to equal handicap provided to both guns and neither one should be just starved for air. While the Strap-on looks and feels made more like a real professional tool (and real pros run far away from any product labeled "pro" because that's just there to gussy up a consumer grade tool from a consumer grade manufacturer) I think we need to see another hack at some definitive results. Just me sayin'.
rorybz ii
I couldn't relate more to this comment. 😩
The end result was kinda in conclusive, we need moar science!
therealshafto what b series are you running man?
dannyb20 vtec JDM B18C-R
therealshafto nice my buddies is running a fully built ITR setup on e85 in a ek ..setups pulls nice
I got my 1/2" impact off a Snap-On truck in about 1978. I used it on the job about 2 years, and have used it in my home shop since. Iirc it's a "Blue Point." I've been waiting for it to die for several decades, but it wont die. I don't lube it very often either. I've never had it apart. It's made the way tools used to be made.
So.
To make a legit test you need 2 compressors with equal length hose. Running 2 guns on the same line isnt the best way..
Well actually the best way would be to put the two tools on absolutely identical air paths to a single compressor that can supply both completely. That way there's no chance of either tool having any different a supply at all.
Just thought id take a shot at why the impact with a smaller motor and less weight is preforming = to the larger motor. In energy calculations velocity has more affect than weight on energy. E= 1/2mv^2 So if the smaller mass of the motor and impact mechanism is able to accelerate faster between blows it could be producing more force. Lets say the snap-off has a 2 oz hammer and between blows it accelerates to 100 In sec the impact energy would be 10,000 InOZ of force. Now if the Harbor Freight impact has a 1 oz hammer yet is able to accelerate to 150 In sec between blows it would hit with 11,250 inoz of force. So with 1/2 the weight a 50% increase in speed gets you a 113% increase in power.
Edited my terrible math.
True. I am not really familiar with how the motor in those pneumatic wrenches operates, but since I saw what looked like inlet and outlet ports I would assume that the lighter rotor, by accelerating faster would allow more airflow to pass through the motor and more potential energy of compressed air (P*V) would be transformed into kinetic energy in short period of time.
I think you're on the right track. I would also question air flow efficiency. The fap-off brand might have more theoretical torque if it is running right.... but if it has more blow-by than it should and the new hazard-frought version is running tighter, there is another thing to look at. Not sure if the blowby can be measured, but if nothing else could explain why an old worn tool doesn't perform the same as a newer one. Then again I could be pissing up the wrong tree. Glad I brought an umbrella. Thanks for loaning me your umbrella. It was originally yellow, right?
these imperial units sound for me like witchcraft
My Rockwell cordless impact with higher/quicker hammer frequency has done better than any air impact we have used, including Snapon.
@@underourrock I wonder if these higher priced tools are designed with more of an AK-47 mindset. Little bit looser tolerances meaning a bit less performance, but it will last longer and deal with dirt and debris better.
I have the bad habit of using my impact gun as a hammer. Doesn't improve longevity.
Sounds like someone couldn't find a good screwdriver at the hardware store.
i use the bottom of my makita battery as a hammer. its held up well
I know long after the original post, but want to clarify a point of logic vs math.
F = (0.5 * m * v^2) ÷ d
Don't get me wrong, I'd take my Snap-on any day of the week, but you answered your own question while you were posing it. "The hammers are smaller". This means the hammers will turn faster, and will travel a shorter distance before impacting. This produces far more impact force than the heavier hammers as they're both given the same amount of driving force (air pressure)
When considering impact force, velocity is far more important than mass (velocity gets squared, mass is at base value). This comes up all the time with swords. People think a big two handed sword strikes much harder than a one handed roman gladius (And could even cut a person in half in a single swing!) when in fact the two handed sword is all about reach, and the short one handed gladius can actually strike *much* harder because it's lighter and as such can be accelerated much more quickly. (Neither could cut a person in half with a single swing).
So yes, I can fully believe the cheaper impact could strike just as hard (maybe not harder, due to the power loss from increased friction on worse tolerances), with the very statement "the hammers are smaller".
You might ask "well if that was the case, why not just use really tiny hammers"? Because it's about the driving force. Once the hammers get up to the expansion rate of the air pushing them, they're maxing the velocity. So it's really about acceleration. If the heavier hammers could accelerate to the same velocity before impacting them the heavier hammer would win. However they're not reaching the expansion rate of the air. This is one of the ways impacts control power, changing the hammer weight. the most powerful impact would have hammers weights balanced to reach peak velocity just before impact.
tldr: bigger hammers are more durable, lighter hammers strike harder.
I know someone who worked at a car repair shop and has had a snap on for 15 years and it has never failed
you've got some thicc fayngars there, Shrek
who here wants some rectal destruction
watched 30 seconds and got a call from work asking me to come in and repair things. why does this keep happening.
Better than them not calling you I guess?
thedoctor907 Shit breaks, we fix it. That's what we do.
yea but when there is an AvE video it just hurts to leave.
Physicist here. You also need to check out something called resonate frequency. We deal with it a lot when dealing with vibrating or oscillating objects. If your tools do not resonate at an intuitive frequency, the forces are not being applied at the same time and will yield erroneous results. This test would have to be done under extremely controlled and precise conditions. Cudos!
Did you mean "resonant" frequency?
When you buy a new snap on air impact, the rep will tell you that all snap on air tools require high flow air fittings and hoses for optimal performance. My PT850 is an air hog... and it is by no means the hardest hitting impact on the market. But it's fast, light, and well balanced.
Your airhose setup is ruining your test.
The point of his video is in to actually test but the theorized about somebody else's video and how they could get skew readings because in all reality Snap-on tool with bigger weights hamburgers veins and everything should be beating Harbor Freight everyday of the week Dan he's just showing how that guy could have skewed results one way or the other
Austin Wilson, why are you here making stupid comments? You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Was really hoping he'd tee it evenly to both impacts
They really need to be completely separate hoses all the way from the air tank. The air guns use different amounts of air and the one using more air will drain the air from the hose while the other air gun starves for air. They are not designed to share air hoses.
I don't remember the last time I witnessed a angrier canadiastor than my brother Ave here!!!!
Just found your videos and love em! I have the same snap on air gun as what you just showed and it is a workhorse, all of my snap on air tools are for that matter. Mine has to be 30 plus yrs old and is still going strong. I had one bolt in all my years as a tech that it wouldn't remove, surprisingly it took a mac 3/4 inch air gun to remove it, other than that one time it is and has been a hell of an air impact wrench for over 30 years. I would put it up against anything from overseas any day. You are 100 percent.correct in your thinking, bigger motor, hammers and speed will overcome smaller any day! Thanks for your channel.
Lmfao! Dude I love how u run ur channel. No fkin round straight to the point and not afraid to offend ppl!
Starting at about 21:40, you had kind of a "John Malkovich" thing going.
90% of people don't realize impact guns have a ((OIL)) fill plug / area that's separate from the air oil. I have a old Ingersol Rand 1/2" , keeps on hammering... But honestly, cordless is becoming the way to go unless you work in a tire shop.
Yeah I have a pile of impacts made up of Snap-On, MAC, MATCO, and Florida Pneumatic. Use my cordless tools for most things. They are just so much quieter.
My guys tore up a new $400 IR in a month in the concrete factory, so I bought them 8 $50 dollar unbranded impacts that looked identical on eBay, 5 still worked not just a month later,but 6 months later, no more IRs for them...
I do know my 3 year old harbor freight 12” swivel head 3/8” ratchet has never failed me before. I’ve broken snap on extensions on that ratchet. It’s my go to ratchet for most applications every day. The guy in the bay next to me is on that snap on truck every week getting something warranty. I have snap on and Crowell and blue point and Matco and Mac tools. But there are a few tools I bought from harbor freight that truly are a reliable dependable tool for professional every day use. Impact sockets, some ratcheting wrenchs, a couple ratchets, bore scope, picks, 4 lbs dead blow hammer, and a few other tools have lasted me quite awhile without needing replacement
would testing again with independent and equal air compressors be a better test so that one tool doesn't steal air pressure from the one further down the line?
dam1en667 that was my thoughts exactly
Ave! love the videos! Any chance you could do a BOLTR on a Hougen Magnetic drill? Or any mag drill for that matter.
I dunno man, those things are big bucks. If a cheapo used one ever comes up, they tend to hold value even broken.
AvE funny how cheap garbage does. I see harbor freight all the time at pawn shops used for more $ then harbor freight sells for new lol and it sells
chris jones that's nuts.....
gmcnewlook agreed. same one also had a complete snap on 3/8 shallow and deep set for 30$ for both. deals around just got to know what to look for
I have a small collection of snap-on tools one of the most useful and used tools was the ratchet screwdriver after 20 or so years of rc racing (cars and boats) it finally developed a problem took it to the snap-on guy he just gave me a new one of the shelf no question asked.
He did say you must have used it alot
Harbor Freight is flat out beating the shit out of over-priced marked up "US of A fake made" brand names. Well done HF. Keep it up.
The hammer weight doesn't play a role alone, it also depends at which distance the hammer hits from the axis of rotation! Also the actual power output (aka average torque * rpm) will show which one would win in the test you make at the end of the video. However in real conditions where you torque a bolt you only care about the max torque as you have all the time you need to transfer the total energy needed for example to breakaway a bolt completely. Trust me, I'm an engineer!
Trust me engineers are not always correct. Real world experience teaches things that number’s just don’t show.
I can watch this on my phone, but not the console, pissed me right off.
But I'm here now
New subscriber it's a absolute relief to see someone who knows WTF they're doing.
and yet he picked the best one as the looser.
Slicker than snot on a door knob was my favorite takeaway.
when will you revisit the CNC lathe and the mill you got? Thanks for the videos, they are awesome
This guy is nothing but AMAZING! I'm extremely impressed by his knowledge and extreme dedication of wanting to know how things work. I only wish i could put a face to the voice and hands lol.
Watching this during my Lunch at work... This guy is Fkn hilarious !
I have the same HF impact and have no complaints. I picked it up as a display for 60% off orginal price. For the money its worth it and does everything i need as long as you can feed it the air it needs.
Wouldn't the moment of inertia be more meaningful than mass of the hammers? It appears at a glance that the radius of the hammers in the earthquake might be greater and thus may act as heavier hammers despite having a lower mass.
Keep in mind that the Mass (not area) Moment of inertia is directly proportional to the mass.
The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the mass of the ass and the heat of the meat
@@crazycriminals2012 proportional to mass and the distance the mass is from the center, bigger tool with larger area will deliver more rotational inertia.
One possibility is that Harbor Freight sent him a "cooked" unit that was tweaked or modified for performance that is different than the retail units. That is one of the reasons I don't accept tools from companies because I never would know if I'm getting the real thing.
Consumer Reports always purchases the things they test.
I think most review products are legitimate but you can't really be sure if the product sent for review is identical to the product everyone else receives.
There's also the problem with having a bias towards (or even against) someone for sending you free stuff.
I have a tiny channel where I just post my projects but I even get free stuff sent to me. I find I have a really hard time expressing my negative opinions about the free things I've received. I, of course, always tell people if I received a product for free and I try to warn people of my bias. I think your approach is a better system for producing unbiased reviews.
I would take them if it was a "tell us what you think" arrangement looking just for feedback. For a legit public review they should just offer a rebate and have you get it from the same channels as everyone else.
German Tool Reviews I don't think he takes anything. Patriot pays for the tools. He orders/buys like we would
German Tool Reviews gotta love conspiracy theorys
This guy sounds like a Snap on nut hugger.
Professional tec here, happy to pay for quality as well, thanks for the vid!
In marine construction we use cheap tools on the barge. That is because it’s cheaper to replace them when they get dropped in the lake
We call that a float test!
Did you ever think of not dropping tools in the lake? Are you on drugs or what? Freakin guys.
Marshall I don't care who you are ,dropping things is inevitable and part of life
Craftsmans done! I'm pretty sad about that. I loved going to Sears hardware like once a month just to check stuff out. We stop buying American and eventually we won't be buying at all.
So you killed Sears
Nah, harbor freight more than likely did. I still shopped there (sears) until the end. If I ever needed to exchange a socket or anything it was fairly easy to do but can't just drive 2 miles down the road anymore to that location.
Lowes is getting the craftsman line
Craftsman is made in China now....
I sold tools for sears 2015 when production was switching from us to china and Taiwan. All my tools of craftsman are us made. Im gonna hate when I have to replace something. The chinese ratchets id exchange daily. Plastic lever instead of metal. Average life span was 3 months. I bought snap on dual 80 ratchets. Iv used them for 5 years and some of them are 17 years old its a 36tooth
AvE's mind is blown
When Earthquake takes the crown
Extra rubber hose length
Reduces the strength
Of impacts farther on down
This is why an impact tool on a longer (or coily) air hose sucks buttermilk compared to the same tool on a short, stout hard rubber air hose: it allows expansion space in the line between impacts and causes reduced pressure in the air supply.
i had a problem taking a fastener off for my impact at 50' of hose and I ended up raising the pressure on my compressor to 125-130psi. worked like a champ and took off the lug nut with ease. made a huge difference.
I would love to see an IR thrown into the mix. My IR has been going strong for 5+ years as a dealership technician. It may not be the strongest gun but it has removed or broken every fastener it has encountered.
The surface rust is coming from the inside of the good ole air tank... thanks be to humidity
Go get em AvE!!!
A few days later after watching this video my impact gun broke just as you said by the handle. I don't think I'm ever buying more impact guns with a plastic housing
People said the same thing about plastic guns and now they sell like hot cakes. I call bullshit.
Jacob Francis nobody buys plastic guns
gregistopal So no one buys Glocks these days. News to me!
Remember, its all in the polymer of the plastic. Different polymers give different results. Plastics can last, but it'd have to be high quality plastics of course! 😂😉
@@jacobfrancis6792 I've had a i.r titanium gun for about 11 YEARS now used it every day at a tire shop best gun I've ever seen on the market .
I have a Sears Craftsman dual action sander serial number 482. I got in the 70's and it still works. I just got another one for $6 at a yard sale with a letters and numbers serial.
I had that very same Snap On gun in 1988. It wouldn't spin a greasy string out of a cat's ass when it was new. Good for a tire shop but not working on heavy equipment like I was. I bought an Ingersoll that was three times the gun.