Calhoun's Prophecy.wmv
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- Ours was always a nation marked by tension between the North and the South - a tension that existed long before Confederate forces in Charleston fired on Fort Sumter. The fact of the historical matter is that the Civil War began on July 4, 1776 - the day we promulgated the Declaration of Independence.
Senator John C. Calhoun - Vice-President to both John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson and a fiery defender of both slavery and Southern independence - summed up the unfortunate future of the United States at a formal White House dinner held in honor of Ambassador Calderon of Spain in 1841.
“It’s the independence of our courts that keeps us free… “ Gives me chills.
Who is this Calhoun? Is he a bad man?
@@cashewnuttel9054 he was very pro-slavery
@@cashewnuttel9054 He was admittedly very brilliant, but also very pro-slavery.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588which is what makes him scary.
That’s a very wierd moment to get chills from
i love how the spanish diplomat is just eating away with calhoun bc what he said to him is completely normal but van bureun and his court were in complete shock
He's information gathering
The diplomat likely has better overview of the situation than most people at that table.
Los españoles siempre somos los malos
Jackson and Calhoun were no longer on speaking terms so he addresses the ambassador as a snub to Jackson
It's funny how only Calhoun and Calderon were the only ones eating after Calhoun's speech.
Clear conscience (from their perspective).
Van Buren was taken aback at an american spitting anti-american sentiments
This is a movie .
Taking a moment to appreciate the great Sir Nigel Hawthorne, a fantastic actor that died too soon (and was snubbed a much deserved Oscar). He's an important player in the film, even though he is not in much of it.
Spielberg always had a perfect cast, even when people argued about Hawthorne as Van Buren, he knew what he was doing.
I always envision him as Sir Humphrey Appleby in "Yes, Prime Minister."
In the video was the president supposed to be Andrew Jackson or van buuren do you no
@@stephengreen7758 Me to.
Rohit Gurehsrez Van Buuren came right after Jackson.
The look on Van Buren's face is priceless.
Van Buren is the looser of this movie. No re-election
This is one of Spielberg's most underrated films and this is such a great scene. Arliss Howard nearly steals the whole movie in just one scene. What a performance
What Calhoun and the South missed was that Slavery itself was what kept the Southern Economy lagging behind. Whenever you rely on "free labor", two things happen. 1) The slaves have 0 incentive other than the threat of violence to do a good job. So you get substandard production(leaving aside the morally horrific practice), 2. you have 0 reason to innovate so you fall behind technologically.
It was no accident that the highest earning states were all free states. They innovated, the South fell behind. Slavery tortured and dehumanized a group of people and laid an economic sickness on the rest.
@Jan Pearson This view that corporations buy up cities and politics is one commonly held on the left. And yet, where are all the vibrant economic regions? One's that foster capitalism and free enterprise. No one has ever pointed to a heavily government run country that led to prosperity. Even the so called socialist countries in norther Europe are very capitalist and built their economies way before they instituted generous welfare.
The South largely still lags behind the rest of the country precisely because its trying to hold on to traditions and ways of life. But that just gets you left behind.
They didn't have much of a choice. The British government brought slaves to the colonies so they could start making money. The south had the geoghraphy to support cash crops better than the north. The north had better water ways for industrialization and trade, and a climate more favorable to European colonists. If slavery was never in the south, southern states would never have political power and would have been crushed by a federal government that only had northern interest (implying the southern colonies would even help the northern ones in the revolution). This is a usual trend in countries that are suitable for raw resource production, but not in trade/industry. It also goes untold that southern slavery was financed by northern bankers.
So southerners were stuck with a bunch of slaves they typically viewed as foreign. If they gave them up and sent them back to Africa, It would destroy the economy they inhereted from a government that never asked them. They would loose more than half of their representatives in congress. They would loose any political say since a destroyed economy would put southern poiticians in a position to be financially influenced by northerners. There are also personal incentives to keep slavery, but to me, the societal and southern collective incentives seem to carry more weight.
@@CptTexas1 I don't agree with the geographical argument. Lots of economists, including Daron Acemoglu, looked at successful economies that had no such geographical advantages and yet were nonetheless prosperous. Think of Japan or Canada with very little arable land. Think of Singapore with almost no natural water source. Who can say what the South would have been if slavery were not a thing. But to assume that the reason the north surged ahead was due to water ways misses the point imo.
And the fact the South boomed economically after they ditched the whole racial superiority bs in the 60s and adopted free market economics
@Jan Pearson Anything that is based on slave labor is behind morally. Your making a pretty good argument about why it was good that the Confederates were ground down into powder by the might of hte Norht
Indeed the South was poor (and remains so, I write this as a southerner, etc.) -- however the problem is the south remains poor largely because it would rather have its way than actually try and build anything...and worse still trying to hide behind politics to escape the childishness of their attitudes.
"John Calhoun, if you secede from my nation I will secede your head from the rest of your body." -Andrew Jackson
He probably thought that Jackson would have his back. Man was he wrong lol
Lol, accurate, more or less.
Calhoun responded my pistols and seconds are at the ready
Jackson would have destroyed him
@@jefferyepstein9210Why in the seven furies do you have that pedo pig as your profile?
Van Buren was a Jackson man, and of course the latter and Calhoun had a huge falling out over the nullification crisis in 1832. But by the time of the Amistad matter, Van Buren and Calhoun had patched things up, but you can still feel the tension between the two of them.
Arliss Howard did a nice job as Calhoun in this scene. Got the externals down quite well.
One of my all time favorite movies. And in my opinion Anthony Hopkins greatest role.
Anthony Hopkins? Who did he play?
@@backinblack03 John Quincy Adams
Nigel Hawthorne was such a great actor esp In madness of king George he was fantastic. Sorely missed
The actual Calhoun looks like a mad scientist....seriously....google his pics.
Well the most famous pictures of Calhoun do make him look that way and he did look that way late in life. However, the pictures from his middle age and younger are very much normal. The most famous picture of Calhoun was taken long after his illness had set in and he was dying so yes he does not look well in that one.
Same with Martin Van Buren. He looked mad too.
Damm, you are right, half expecting him to jump out of a Delorian yelling, "Marty! Come! Quick!"
Arliss has a knack for these roles. Coming in late and summing up the situations and possible actions thereafter quite nicely. Did the same thing in Moneyball.
I find it ironic that Calhoun was the ONLY person who was served who looked directly into the slaves eyes and acknowledged him, something one man does to another.
That look let's the server know who is the master and who is the slave. There's no quality of character in Calhoun, he was a racist slave owner.
Just as a tacky boss for no particular reason or often a new boss greets his/her subordinates with a pat on the back; it means:
Let's get his straight: I'm the horse master, and you're the horse.
It's not about some nobility custom happy cheers and wonderment to join in hands and sing kumbaya.
Also just not true; the Spanish ambassador does too.
" The South The South God knows what will become of her." Calhoun's last words.
Atlanta has become of her. Calhoun did nothing wrong.
The South. The poor South
People look at me funny for respecting most of what the confederacy stood for/fought for/originated from because “They hud slaves!” but most serving it didn’t fight for slavery in and of itself, it was States rights over Federal and had been brewing since the Revolution. The Clvil War for the South was a second Revolution that failed.
History is often portrayed by the Victors (I prefer survivors) but it was a lot more gray than people give it credit for. Fascinating stuff
The south recovered fine, now the rest of the nation?
@@LordWyatt I can understand why people look at you funny since you attempt to mask over the issue that the "state's rights" they were fighting for was the right to own other people. I know in the modern era it's quite fashionable to try to mask that fact by pretending it was some grand "political ambition" on their part...but it really wasn't, it was as simple as a group of (to borrow Abraham Lincoln's quite apt description) criminals attempt to usurp the Constitution in the age old excuse of "burn this village in order to save it".
Fortunately for us all, the Constitutionally mandated authorities prevaled and the Union was actually preserved.
Kudos for the great video quality. Most uploads from a decade ago look horrible. You knew what you were doing when you uploaded this 11 years ago.
The failure of the second American revolution haunts us to this day and is at the core of our present divide.
If you don’t pay attention to the content, Calhoun’s voice and accent are straight up ASMR
'ASMR'? What's that?
@@1101millie97 It basically is a type of speaking and sound people listen to since it sounds nice on their ears and feels good to listen to. I don’t see the appeal much but that’s what it is.
What I'd give for a depiction of how Andrew Jackson would've handled this situation.
Well given that Jackson was a noted slave-owning racist himself, I'm sure he would of agreed with Calhoun on principal alone.
@@mi4johns I maybe mistaken, but didn’t Jackson threaten to behead Calhoun?
He did after Calhoun threaten succession
President Zachary Taylor was also a slave-owning Southerner, but his career in the military hade made him a committed American nationalist. During his brief time as President, Taylor once threatened to personally hang any secessionists.
@@howardmctroy3303 Yeah, a lot of history buffs consider Taylor another great "What if he'd lived"
Although Brief This Was Such a Great Scene and Tremendous Job by Arliss Howard as Calhoun
Van Buren and Calhoun were, in life, far subtler and more interesting than these obvious fictional portrayals would lead an audience to believe.
Got to love the passive aggressive posture of Calhoun here.
Basically, if you don't do exactly what I want...I will punish you until you do.
Whose state rights were at stake in 1860? Was it not the rights of the northern states to declare themselves free of slavery? See the Dread Scott ruling...it essentially made all states slave states.
I listen to Calhoun's speech here and I am not shocked into silence at the dinner table. I am roused to throw my glove in his smug face and demand satisfaction at his insult to my honor.
I am so glad my ancestors took up arms and destroyed that rebel government...bunch of lazy, arrogant, rich planter aristocrats who wanted to oppress me and my friends.
Ridiculous comment... the war was not a humanitarian mission to free the poor black slaves. Abe Lincoln was as much a White Supremacist as Alexander Stephens. That’s the spin the victors rewrote history with, like George Bush saying Iraq war 2 was to stop a dictator who had WMD.
The north made the deal to legitimize slavery during the ratification of the Constitution and they let it slide for unity’s sake to fight King George III with Franklin insisting Jefferson not use “property” but rather pursuit of happiness.
As for cruelty and slavery look no further than how European immigrants were abused in northern states as cheap labor and pressed into military service.
Abe Lincoln WAS the madman bloodthirsty dictator all you people cry about Trump being. He put a supreme court justice, Taney, on house arrest, jailed journalists, arrested state legislatures and executed a total war with atrocities to make Stalin and Hitler take note.
I couldn’t have said it better myself
dclark you have an ignorant view of history.
Thank you TH-cam for this recommendation
Since before the American revolution, the issue of property ownership (including slaves) was an issue. The wealthy property owners greatly feared that a democracy of the property-less majority would use government to redistribute wealth. All of Calhoun's efforts were to protect the minority wealthy property owners. Even today things have not changed.
You are confused on Calhoun's Concurrent Majority. He wanted the states to be able to veto unconstitutional laws. He had no problem with the majority passing constitutional laws. He said that politicians would never follow the constitution. The only way to get them to follow the constitution would be to have the states veto laws that were not enumerated in the constitution. He was right look at the out of control government which is in bed with corporations demanding welfare from taxpayers. Look at the destruction of the dollar. I don't care for Calhoun the person so much but his knowledge in political philosophy makes him a giant. His Disquisition on Government should be required reading.
Abolishing slavery is one thing, complete redistribution of wealth is another. Property is property. It’s only what can be property that is rightfully disputed
@@martonk "Complete redistribution" you give yourself away. The key word is distribution. With great wealth comes the potential of unfair influence. Even today the wealthy work to guarantee the continuation of their (family) wealth.
I'm not a fan of how Van Buren was portrayed in this film. He was an incredible politician and the real brain and talent behind the creation of the Democratic Party while Jackson was mostly a figurehead. He was so adept at politics that he was derisively given the nickname of the "Magician" by his opposition.
When asked if he had any regrets about his presidency Andrew Jackson said "I didn’t shoot Henry Clay and I didn’t hang John C. Calhoun.”
Jakira Kumahata Completely keeping with Jackson's character.
Andrew Jackson! I spit on the grave of that ethnic cleanser!
@@Devsky1 He stood up to the banks. That's why Jackson is on the 20. Everything else is nonsense in comparison.
Yes but the reason why he said that was because as his VP, he encouraged his state to ignore jackson's taxes and was in favor of succesion to do so. Hanging was the punishment for treason
Yes! Great quote! Ol Andy one of the most THINSKINNED politicians ever!!! Jefferson dubbed him a military chieften- likewise Henry Clay who inagurated the Whig Party vs ol KING ANDREW!!!!!
Calhoun’s actor was in Lost World, who played Peter Ludlow.
Arliss Howard. He was also Pvt. Cowboy in Full Metal Jacket
Yes and it's to his credit as an actor that he's completely unrecognisable, I would never have believed it was the same person.
If Lincoln had lived he would of united the country, because he wanted to rebuild the south. But when he was killed, the south was treated harshly. This is when the low life such as the KKK appeared. The country has never really healed.
Jeep Cherokee As bigots in America have time and again, they chose their hate over their own well-being. It has become a proud tradition for a certain segment of this country, one sadly that I don't think will ever truly go away.
Unfortunately, I think that the KKK would have still formed regardless of how well the country healed. After 1861, many Southerners did not see themselves as Americans and viewed the Union Army (protecting the rights of former slaves) as an invading force. They internalized the idea that they were superior too and had a right to enslave Africans. While in the North those feelings diminished (but never disappeared completely), the South clung desperately to that lie to justify their own culture. When that culture was threatened with change, the KKK rose to oppose that change. Even today, the southern states tend to hate change, no matter how slow or harmless it might be. Pride is a great excuse for terrible deeds.
@@JamesWillmus Make no mistake I would of supported the North just quietly as Texas dealt harshly with Northern supporters. I have a relative that enlisted in the Confederate army and applied for a pension in later years. It's as you say the troops enforcing reconstruction were seen as a invading army. I think Lincoln would of used a less heavy handed use of troops. The goal to unify the Nation. A large group of Trump's base support a white America only will always be around, the ugly side of America..
Total idiotic comment, had Lincoln lived all freed African slaves would’ve been repatriated to west Africa ie liberia. He said and planned as much. He was a white supremacist.
Posterfix,
I agree that Calhoun is a most a fascinating study. I have been intensely researching him, Webster & Clay since my high school USA History class. A man of high morals and integrity, yet his career was characterized by radically changing his views from one extreme to the other to satisfy his ambition to become president. Early in his career he was a patriotic nationalist who apologized for slavery, calling it "scaffolding," to help build the young nation, but would soon end.
Morals and integrity?? I'm Sure Secretary and Mrs. Eaton would have a few things to say about John and Floride Calhoun...
So, no morals or integrity whatsoever...
His service with President Jackson changed him dramatically.
A white racist
Great scene
I like how this Van Buren (played by Nigel Hawthorne) has actual hair.
It should've been this moment that people ought to have realized America became the exact same thing it fought to free itself from.
You mean a slave holding republic?
On the contrary, ambassador, it is precisely because the courts are not ruled, that the government does not need to concern itself with the court's rulings. That's what the courts are for, precisely so that we don't have to concern ourselves with the law. You see, if the courts were under government control, then their rulings would have to be considered as government policy, wherein each ruling represented, if only in part, and in the larger view of the processes of due jurisprudence, the decided consummate of the whole machinery of government, such that, in the implementation of government policy, one could arrive in the disadvantageous position of having to consider the legality of the law being issued prior to its issuance. The law would be a prerequisite for policy: it would be disastrous! Congress would never get anything done. On the other hand, if the courts are an independent body, then their rulings are the responsibility of an entirely different institution, whose minds and opinions we certainly cannot be expected to presage, and should they, in the course of their duties, issue a response to one of our laws which necessitated emendations, then we could return the issue to Congress, where we could find all sorts of ways to consider the position of the courts, leading with a decided inevitability to the unshakable outcome that, when all was considered and redrafted and processed through the proper committees and the law reached a stage where, in the fullness of time, when the moment is appropriate, it could be reissued, just as it was, in a completely different way, we can have made our law legal without having to consider any of its legality beyond the illegality of the law proscribed by the courts. In this manner we can rule just as we like and be seen to be attentive to the concepts of legal precedent and government consistency. It's the very basis of our continued democracy that the execution of the law is an independent body placed as far away as possible from the functions of the executive and legislative branches.
Van Buren, Adams & Calhoun were physically misrepresented in this film. The actors portraying presidents Adams & Van Buren were much too tall. Van Buren stood only 5 feet 4 inches tall, while the actor who portrayed him was well over 6 feet tall. Adams stood only 5 feet 6 inches tall, while the great Anthony Hopkins who portrayed him, stands at 6 feet. He himself even mentioned the innacuracy in an interview. Conversely, Calhoun stood about 6 feet 2, while the actor portraying him was about 5'6"
You don't have to stay true to the facts, history has to stay true to the facts. Drama has to stay true to the spirit of the facts. If a dramatization of history does not strike your fancy do to its exaggeration, I would suggest you try watching a documentary instead.
Sitting at a dinner table..i guess it doesn't show?
You are such a fool I've seen black actors playing white characters it's all in the imagination you fool
Van Buren was 5"6
Considering how much the average height increased in modern times and how much people of ordinary height in those days would be considered positively dwarfish, I think that piece of historical authenticity can be neglected. In particular with regards to height, which is being relevant more in a comparable than in an absolute sense.
Anyone know the name of the song played in this scene?
Andante quartet #2 and #3 by Viotti
Hard to miss the irony in Calhoun railing against the threat of enslavement by the North when he possessed as many as 80 slaves.
The southern states are always so backwards, nepotism with an entrenched oligarchy does it. "We're not as rich as our northern states, we're struggling..." yeah because you keep people in poverty treat them like livestock even the non-slaves. It's a form of Stockholm syndrome. When an oligarchy or monarchical nobility class holds a bizarre sway over their people; that the people vote them back in, time and time again is if they have no choice despite given every opportunity to run someone against them, to vote against them, to abolish every idiocy policy they try to bribe current politicians to pass. Stockholm syndrome, or maybe oligarchy syndrome.
Ancient Greece to Russia to France to Germany to the UK, many nations former and current nations have experience it. The oddest thing ever.
Backwards? Like Chicago, or Detroit?
So what? Treated far better than any were else including your sweat shops and mistreatment of Irish .
The enslavement of 80 vs the enslavement of millions
Believe it or not, this was an actual idea that was popularized by Thomas Jefferson
I'll give Andrew Jackson one credit. He would not have put up with Calhoun's veiled threats. He would have personally grabbed him by the scruff of the neck, and the seat of his pants, and thrown him on to the whitehouse lawn.
I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. Jackson won every duel he fought. Survived with a musket ball in his shoulder, a attempted assassination, and he fought the Iroquois.
He literally backed down from Calhoun post-modernist Zen types ignore Calhoun's responding challenges to Jacobson .
@@traviskarnes6825because everyone knows what happens when old hickory comes face to face Calhoun.
President Van Buren met Abraham Lincoln in 1842. He would live to see the beginning of Lincoln's own Presidency and supported him, the Union, and the cause of abolition.
He was 79-years-old when he died in July 1862. Antietam was two months later.
What movie is this?
What movie is this? Looks great
Amistad. It is great.
An amazing scene showing the tension between the Northern and Southern States personified by the words of Senator of South Carolina John C. Calhoun. However, I should add and notify the person who uploaded this video that this White House dinner held in honor of Ambassador Calderon of Spain. This couldn't have possibly taken place in 1841. John Quincy Adams was President from 1825 to 1829 following Andrew Jackson.
Oh yes that's right, Martin Van Buren was President from 1837 to 1841. So this was right at the end of Martin Van Buren's presidency.
Yes, Van Buren lost his re-election campaign that he was attempting to springboard with this case.
Sorry, you're a little off. JQA was indeed president from 1825-1829, but he followed Monroe, not Jackson, whom he immediately preceded.
Read your history book . This is
very accurate.
This is great
Where is this from?
The movie "Amistad."
What movie is this from?
"Amistad" [1997]
What movie/tv show is this from?
Amistad, movie.
Who's here because of Southern Charm. in 2021?
Now pair this scene with the one of Robert Duval's Robert E. Lee in Gods and Generals... superb
movie name ?
What movie is this??
What movie is this scene from?
Amistad
Interesting, I thought this was about John B. Calhoun who did the mouse utopia experiments ("Behavioral Sink"). John C. Calhoun? Wow, I wonder if there's any relation.
This appears to be during Martin Van Buren's presidency whom, along with Sen. John C. Calhoun, would have been in his mid-fifties at this time.
What movies this
BUT NOT WITHOUT A FIGHT!!!
i wonder what those black guys in the background think of what he talking about
"Responds back 10 years later." 💀
John- Crunch down hard on those vegetables- Calhoun
What president ... Lincoln enters the chat
...and the war came.
Was that President Martin Van Buren?
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What a Nice beef Wellington 😮
There's not one horse in this whole scene. Not one! There's something basically wrong with that.
Southern slave owner claims Southeners aren't 'as proficient in the art of gain'...
The south did not master the art of free market capitalism like the north
@statesrights01 Did you kind of miss the comment, revealing all of his (and the slaveholding south's) hypocrisy, that in abolishing slavery, the slaveholders would then become slaves themselves? So, it's OK for somelse to be a slave but not himself or any of his friends.
HHH Truly, you and I both know you are right that they were hypocrites. But back then, the racist white South saw the black man as less than human - an unintelligent animal. The thought of an animal ruling over the white man and sleeping with their white daughters was grotesquely unthinkable to them. They couldn’t even comprehend their own hypocrisy!
As much as the idea of slavery was abhorrent to abolitionists there were more free labor advocates in the North who felt they could not compete with the expansion of slave labor intonthe West that made many Whigs and some Democrats become Republicans in the 1850's. In 1860, the states with the highest GDP were South Carolina, and Mississippi. Imagine that for a minute, as you think of those states today.
Van Buren was so soft. If I were the President and Calhoun was spouting this nonsense at the dinner table, I would have interrupted and said “ I’m sorry, is that a threat?”
Great scene. Did Van Buren actually dress similar to how he's portrayed in this scene? He seems to be wearing military uniform of some sort, which I'd more expect to see on a European monarch than an American president.
He was a weirdo.
He was receiving the Spanish ambassador, so he was probably wearing a Spanish decoration. That is a custom in diplomacy that still can be observed at European Royal courts.
Van Buren was a very European individual. He was ethnically Dutch, and he's the only President whose first language wasn't English. He was an anomaly in a steady line of Anglo Presidents. (Even Barack Obama has more English heritage than Van Buren.)
@@howardmctroy3303 Interesting that Dutch was still his first language so long after the Dutch had to give up their colonies in North-America. That reminds me to the Boers in South-Africa who also felt that Dutch was part of their Identity and heritage. Funny enough the Netherlanders themselves are somewhat careless (or pragmatic) and have adopted a lot of english and french words in their vocabulary.
Van Buren was always seen and depicted as being very European. In fact, this was one of the most common criticisms of him.
John Calhoun in his last speech He recited the wrongs as seen by the S.
1) Violation of States' Rights
2) Exclusion of common Territory
3) Tariff Laws that Halted the South's progress
4) Attacks on the Character and Motives of Southerners
5) Concentration of authority of which the N. was taking advantage for its Own purposes.
His ill feelings toward the great compromis we all telling. when done, many came to congratulate him. He told them "At any rate, be men!"
Think Calhoun would have said this in front of Andrew Jackson?
Ooh yeah
Calhoun was a GREAT man and statesman. The removal of his statue in Charleston was a CRIME.
Yet a tiny minority of Southerners had slaves. Only 4.8% of the population.
(Source; U.S. Census of 1860.)
Remember too, four slave states did NOT secede. Including Maryland and Delaware.
Why do they have to wear gloves to eat using cutlery?
I just read the 1950 pulitzer prize winning bio on John C. Calhoun. he was actually a genius, an important American philosopher who is being poorly played in this scene. While I am glad to see slavery gone, the struggle is most keenly felt in the writings of Calhoun. He is worth learning about, and not be wiped off the map my ignorant people. He was not arrogant, and he is a good example of the budding white Aristocracy of the South which could not exist without slavery. And to abolish slavery meant destroying the whole culture. and that's true, as he predicted it would happen 10 years before the Civil War began. But I think we can all agree is is seen as being on the wrong side of history regarding the slave issue. he was progressive in his economic ideas of free trade (anti tarriff) and he was more like Andrew Jackson than people think. But they were both proud Southern men. the age of the duel. the orator. honor.
Still didn't stop Jackson from threatening to hang him if he continued to promote secession.
good point
posterfix He was a fool, of course the South was going to be a downfall acter the War, because Lincoln only wanted to preserve the Union, and that means destroy slaverly, economic etc, to make the Union whole. The South didnt want this, because theyb wanted ro hold onto their human cargo. The North won. Now Andrew Jackson was nothing but an enslaver. He went down to Florida and the Seminoles gave him hell. He stated he thought he was fighting Indians, but all I see is a bunch of Ni!!!!!.
Let me get this right, because the planter class could not learn to transition away from agriculture, or encourage enough immigration to the south to replace slaves with cheaply paid fieldhands, an entire race of people should have remained as chattel? Humiliated and degraded?
Anthony Diaz you mean genocidal Jackson? He loved hanging people especially Indians.
"Lincoln destroyed the 'positive good' defense of slavery. He compared the position of the Calhoun democrats to a pack of wolves devouring lambs, while pretending this was good for the lambs!" Dinesh D'Souza.
Pro tip- If you want to be taken seriously, don't quote Dinesh D'Souza
Kind of like watching the wicked witch wandering in to curse everybody at the start of Sleeping Beauty.
Admire him or hate his guts. John C Calhoun was right.
He was right and an asshole.
Yes. It's a shame he didn't stick around long enough to see his beloved South bend the knee in 1865.
@@tomace4898 typical dumb comment
IDK. The South could have easily won if he had lived. His influence could have changed the entire outcome of the war
Did Calhoun just threaten the president???
rep and he shit himself
MAnuscript421 kind of. He told President Van Buren I would not want to be in your shoes when the Shit hits the fan. Calhoun will not live to see the shit storm,and Van Buren wont live to see it end
@@epyon1983 shat, in proper english we write shat. Now pardon me while I take a shit.
@tefisher84 no, van buren was petrified of calhoun and what he represented. van buren was a spineless president, he would never have whooped anyone's ass. calhoun could probably stare him down if he even though about trying anything. calhoun was indeed a hideously narrow-minded, bigoted, and self-serving politician, but he knew how the game was played better than most in his day....
@LongHairedLoser Amistad (1997)
An interesting point in his speech when he referred to the southerners becoming slaves. If slavery is so moral and natural as you claim why do you fear becoming slaves yourselves? If only to the north??? I find it ironic.
Very perceptive. What he is saying is might makes right. Calhoun is saying if one fails in struggling for their freedom they deserve bondage. Calhoun is saying he will struggle against the North and let nature decide who is fittest to survive. No surprise that Charles Darwin was a contemporary of Calhoun.
Calhoun didn’t think slavery was immoral. He thought Africans were so inferior to Europeans that keeping them in bondage was a “positive good”. His speech here ignores the greater political movement that caused the civil war; that the South convinced itself it was in the moral right. Calhoun and all the other Southerners deserved everything they got.
So did the North +Lincoln and the large majority of the Abolitionist movement Kool your jets Zen master.
Very little has changed. Granted, there has been change. Men's labor is no longer stolen legally. Men and women were given rights to vote as citizens. But there has been a constant effort to limit them by the very same interests.
Men’s labor most certainly stolen legally now... it’s called inflation.
This aspect of southern culture needed to be destroyed and it was.
Calhoun might be the prime example showing how a mind is such a terrible thing to waste. He was a brilliant thinker with an impressive resume but channeled his considerable abilities in some of the most wicked ways imaginable.
If you have seen pictures of Calhoun then you could tell he was one intimidating son of a bitch. He would make Lurch from the Adams Family piss his pants
My first cousin six times removed.
@1:54,
This wasn't true. Most of the nations wealthy lived in the South, although the North had a much larger middle class.
In the entire movie they talk about the Civil War like it's just around the corner when in fact the Amistad case was 2 decades before the war.
Well it was around the corner, the movie foreshadowing what was to come. Calhoun longed for that day, but died before the war, Martin Van Buran lived to see it and died during the war.
@@xemnas9098 20 years is just around the corner????Tell me what is going to happen in 2041 since is just around the corner.
@@rankoorovic7904 WWW III
@@xemnas9098 Maybe it's going to happen in a week we don't need to wait 20 years for it.
@@rankoorovic7904 Maybe.
The most prosperous, wealthiest states in the Republic before the Civil War, per capita, were Alabama, Georgia, Louisianna and the wealthiest Mississippi. The North? The most impoverished was Maine. The South, those states that came to comprise the Confederacy, were the wealthiest in the United States.
It's amazing how much money you can save with free labor.
@@CorgyOntoppya It wasn't saving money, it was making money through slave labor and the introduction of new cotton varietal which coupled with the cotton gin dramatically increased cotton yields in the New South (as distinct from the Old South comprising Maryland, the Carolinas and Virginia) of Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisianna. Refer as well to Time on the Cross which is a cliometric study of slavery and how productive the slave gangs were. Slave labor was more efficient and more valued than immigrant labor.
Calhoun was the turd in that party's punch bowl.
Amistad was such a boring movie. I felt asleep in the cinema.
@ehstandyourgroundac haha....guess what. i'm replying. you make some valid points, but repeatedly instructing someone to not post so you can get the final word in is just....just, tyranical. like one part of a country trying to dictate to another part of the country how to run its affairs...or like being the kind of person who farts and then leaves the room. so he like women in politics. anyone else? not so much. moral by the antiquated standards of his society, but not of a truly moral man.
Speak la fuckan englash?
Calhoun was and always will be /our guy/.
The sick joke of it is that everything Calhoun said was technically correct. Only a devastating war would redesign the economy of the American South. Because they are more openly racist most of America still looks down on everyone in the South. The South is still more economically weaker than the North. And the North is not so above it all as they would like to pretend. All the insurance companies that covered slave ships were in Northern Cities. The ships were often made there. And although oppression of other races and ethnicities was never as concrete as it was in the South even people as enlightened as Samantha Bee do not want their New York schools to be integrated.
White liberals talk a good game and bellyache about African slavery but at the end of the day... white liberals prefer to live amongst fellow whites like the total hypocrites they are. It’s right in front of your face. Slavery was a moral evil, yes; but that doesn’t mean they want Africans as political and social equals.
What Calhoun says about the south being less wealthy than the north, is anachronistic. At the time, the south was much MORE wealthy than the north. Slavery was a hugely profitable system.
Be careful what you wish for, Calhoun...
This was one of the most important scenes in the whole film. People tend to vilify the South because of the Slavery and Glorify the North for opposing it when really it was all just about power.
+Paul M Absolutely. The South was the most wealthy and politically powerful region until about the 1850s. The whole "We're not as wealthy" line was BS. The Civil War started when the North finally caught up to the South in terms of political and economic power.
The problem is, the South made absolutely no effort to create an alternative to slavery. Had they worked to find a solution, then it would have meant something. But to just sit on their hands and let it happen, while treating any concepts of abolishment as "immoral" completely invalidates their cause. If after half a century of "all men are created equal" they were no closer to developing solutions, then their economy deserved to die. Sorry, that may be harsh, but if something wasn't done,... nothing was ever going to be.
And lets not forget,... the first shot was fired by the South, not the North.
Paul M It was about money. Power was just the sweat dripping off the backs of slavers and their ilk. Everything in this fucking country is about money. Those southern slavers were smarter than whips; there can be no disputing their gamesmanship. The north underestimated their fetish for servitude and their willingness to bend to the iron will of a wealthy north.
It is a cyclical irony that Calhoun's message here may be as relevant today as it was then, and that is the scary part.
It's all about power and money when you're not the oppressed.
Do not pretend there wasn't real suffering and humanitarian crimes that were not being committed. To decry the "power" games of the North is only the realm of those with enough privilege to be blind to the pain they caused.
Untrue, by the late 1850s industry was finally coming to the south as engineers and industrial minds began to finally find funding from northern banks. Had the Democrats not have split the vote, Lincoln would not have been elected and the south's dependence on agriculture would have been on its way out by the mid 1860s already. This was the case during the Civil War. By 1864, slave labor was less and less dependable to produce any valuable material or money for the war effort. General Patrick Cleburne in the Confederate army made an impassioned call on the Confederate Congress to discuss terms for immediate emancipation for all slaves who willingly enlisted in the army as well as provide a path for gradual emancipation. This was signed by almost every important general in the Confederate army, including by Robert E. Lee. The Confederate Congress coldly ignored it and pretty much doomed any forlorn hope for their survival.
I'll take Andrew Jackson over Calhoun any day. Great man vs. wannabe.
Southerner who saw the big picture vs. southerner who was so blinkered, he could barely see outside his state borders.
Good thing for Calhoun that Jackson didn't face him in a duel.
SSArcher11 Decimation of Native Americans vs. Eternal subjugation of a race, I'll pass on both thank you kindly.
You're both piss ants