Naomi Klein Stands Up To Tories In Frustrating Debate
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We're living in a looking glass world. What kind of insanity is it to claim we are moving away from the fossil fuel economy by boosting the fossil fuel economy?
the fossil fuel paymasters have spoken and the tories have agreed.
So have labour
@@shinywarm6906
Red and Blue Tories.
Red and blue
Spot on, the real constituency
What a disaster. We do not need this. It will only benefit sunak's family. Totally unnecessary
"In order to quit smoking I have to increase the amount of cigarettes I have a day. Obviously, that has to be part of my transition away from smoking."
Precisely....😅
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Tories love a ‘transitional period’
It will last 4 decades. Up until the apocalyptic period. 🤣🤦🏻♂️
@@T1tusCr0wDuring which they will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Yup....ad infinitum 😅
Hate trans, love transition periods
This smells of corruption.
That's just the smell of politicians
Smells???? It is !!!
massive profits for the corporates and nothing of benefit for the consumers
"Yes, we destroyed the climate and doomed all of the species on the planet - including our own - but for a few glorious years we increased shareholder value."
North sea oil doesn't get drilled by UK companies. We have to buy it back from the open market as mentioned. Rishi's father in law will do well from the contracts he has arranged.. we as always will get rinsed.
Tories corruption at its best
Naomi Klein’s books taught me so much about capitalism, climate and corruption that I can honestly say they changed my life
What's annoying me right now is the people complaining about windmills in their back yard, while complaining about the price of energy!
In 2021, Shell UK paid zero tax for their oil production in the UK and claimed £100 million in government subsidies. Go figure?
Same scenario in Oz. Sad.
The whole dialogue over the climate crisis is so confused and ignorant, that I utterly despair, at nearly everything said here. Let's get this clear, there is no green transition, and this was supposed to happen just after the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, not now. Also, the 1992 Rio Earth Summit was not when these systemic problems were discovered. The 1992 Rio Earth Summit, had as its blueprint, Our Common Future (1987) the report of the Brundtland Commission, set up in 1984, because the UN was so alarmed, that no progress had been made on the Action Plan, from the 1972 UN Environment Conference in Stockholm. I cannot blame people not understanding the longevity of this procrastination, on taking action on problems science understood in the 1960s. I only know all this, because I became environmentally aware over 50 years ago, so I've seen all this happen with my own 2 eyes. People don't believe me when I tell them, that there was probably more climate awareness in the late 1980s and early 1990s, than there is now. If you don't believe me, read "International trends in public perceptions of climate change over the past quarter century" (2014), Capstick et al. It is based on a collection of global public opinion polls going back to the 1980s.
All this bullcrap about this transition over the next decades, wrongly assumes it has only been recently discovered in recent year what we needed to phase out fossil fuels. No, this was well established and agreed 31 years ago. Absolutely, the only reason climate change was separated from the rest of the sustainability crisis at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, was to enable a quick agreement to phase out fossil fuels, similar to the 1987 Montreal Protocol treaty to phase out CFCs, causing holes in the ozone layer. No one envisaged when UNFCCC, which set up the COP talks at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, that we'd be on COP28, and the president would be the CEO of a major oil company. It was all supposed to be settled in the 1990s. Really, phasing out fossil fuels was supposed to have started 30 years ago. Yet, something like 60% of all emissions in the whole of human history, have happened in the last 33 years i.e. during the period when we were supposed to have already largely phased already.
There is talk here about keeping to the Paris Agreement, target of staying below 1.5C. This presumes that no one knows that the global average temperature for the last 2 months has been 1.5C. This will likely fall back a bit after the current El Nino event ends, but it may go higher next year, and will soon go back to 1.5C degrees.
The IPCC say we have to halve global emissions by 2030, to be within a 50:50 chance of keeping to the Paris Agreement 1.5C target. No major government in the world has got any such policy. In fact, on current policy, it is highly likely that global emissions will be higher in 2030, than they are now, not less.
When I hear Siobhain McConagh say "if we want to keep the lights on and heating on in our homes until we get to Net Zero, we've got to have a transition period", I feel like screaming. WTF, how are we going to get to Net Zero whilst still burning lots of fossil fuels? The ignorance and stupidity is off the scale. Rather than explaining more myself, I beg people to watch, "A True Paradise: WHERE WE ARE HEADING" on TH-cam, by climate scientist Professor Kevin Anderson, probably the leading expert in what current policy is leading to. And he calculates about 3-4C of warming by the end of the Century, not Net Zero. In fact, he calls Net Zero policy, Not Zero, because it won't achieve anything like Net Zero. What's more, that's taking into account, the not yet invented magic technology to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere, that will almost certainly never work at scale. We are being gaslighted, and most of the nonsense being spouted, even by supposed progressives supposedly wanting to address the climate crisis, is total nonsense. Either, we start implementing radical and profound system change, or our civilization is not going to get to that future they are speaking about. I haven't even started. It is not just about an energy transition. Less than 18% of the global population do not own a car, and over 80% of the global population have never flown on a plane. Buying EVs, flying less, is only of relevance to those that fly or drive petrol/diesel cars, which most of the global population don't. It's not just a climate crisis, either, but a biodiversity crisis, a much bigger ecological crisis, none of which is going to be helped by an energy crisis. There was a global plan, signed by world leaders 31 years ago, Sustainable Development, which you hardly ever hear about now.
Very informative, thank you.
I saw this live, that Canadian woman wasn't given much respect, especially from that guy Richard Stanley. There was a horrible atmosphere from this discussion to discredit this woman as much as possible. The Labour MP was very limp. 🙈🙈
What’s new with Labour
How is Labour not against this?
I really do not like the Tories.
TH-cam compliant statement.
My god! The ineptitude, ignorance and arrogance of these politicians 🤯
That's exactly why they're politicians - no-one would employ them in the real World. It's not called the Westminster 'bubble' for nothing !
Nothing inept about this. They all want to get rich and if you think these politicians are doing it for ideological reasons then you will be disappointed. Someone is paying them well for these decisions.
@@capt.bart.roberts4975 The tories are just following the same old tory ideology and policies that they always implement. Just now their lies and corruption appears to be more blatant, or maybe its because of the Internet, its much easier to find out what's really going on. We've never had good governance under a tory government, and our economy has never done well under the tories, its all just a load of right wing, tory false propoganda to fool the gullible.
They are paid to have these opinions
@@dominicparker6124Excellent point. Hope many more pick up on this.
Very disappointing that the Labour lady in red is saying exactly what the slimy Tory said.
But not in the least bit surprising. These are Blairites after all
@@XlouietheflyX "YoU cAn'T cAlL uS tHaT!" 👶😭
The only real difference between this tories and labour is the spelling
I could truly weep at the state of the UK’s current opposition party
Our politicians are truly the worst among us. Set of clowns.
Those that vote for them aren't far behind ....🤨
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This is what happens when you have a genuinely intelligent person on to debate rando parliamentarians whose understanding of the issue doesn't extend beyond half a page of talking points circulated by the Leader's office.
Excellent comment. Nailed it perfectly. Yet, we like to see ourselves as a developed country when we're actually represented by halfwits and id10ts, led by wannabe dictators in both parties!
Spot on.
No difference between the Tory and Labour MP?!? Still repeating the story that the energy will benefit the UK in some way.
I just read the thumbnail as “PAINFUL BBC” and spit my drink out laughing.
This is not the Labour I once knew.
Red and Blue Tories.
Surely the takeaway here is not that the Tories support fossil fuels, but that Labour do also. Centrists are always banging on about getting the Tories out, but every day that goes by, the policy difference is becoming so indistinguishable it's reaching five sigma.
Red and Blue Tories.
I hate the centrists, but I'd rather have a competent government in right now, the fascist tories are killing the country.. vote Labour in now then change out kier or vote green moving forward.. we can ill afford another 4 years of tory.
Not red and blue anymore, it’s green vs grey . . . .
Naomi's books are well researched, rational and balanced. She offers strategies instead of just waffling on. Must be frustrating having someone throwing out rehearsed lines at you.
Labour proving they are no different to Tories talking tbe exact same claptrap.
Is anyone really surprised that the tories have said one thing and then proceed to do the opposite . That’s what they do.
Another great con by the Tories. At least they'll roast like the rest of us.
And Labour……
@@cugal1613 13yrs out of power? Give me a break. 🙄
@@cugal1613😂😂😂
No. We’ll be fighting in the streets over food and water. They’ll have stockpiled a load for themselves in compounds defended by the police and army
They'll roast eternally for eternity in hell.
The welders, electricians etc are in short supply and if they work on oil and gas they cant work on wind, tidal, hydro and hydrogen.
Another gravy-dribbling Tory MP... not seen this one before. He's got the Gove/Pobb thing going on.
There's a whole bait and switch in the presentation of the problem when they talk about oil from the UK rather than importing, when what's quite obviously happening is that this oil from the UK _will be imported_ to the extent that any of it makes its way to the UK market.
It's pure rhetorical flannel.
As Sir David King and others have commented, the atmosphere does not respond to hand waving gestures and distant targets but to emission reductions today. At what point does this chasm between climate policy and reality hit home? We are out of carbon budget and out of time.
Things are already bad at 1.2C, and everyone is uncomfortably affected now. Yet the public continually gets a message through the media that 1.5C is "what we must bring it down to". Novara, be careful you don't collude with this.
Its going to be funny when Scotland becomes independent and those drilling are going to be told where to go, since they are in Scottish waters.
way forward christopher stop drilling and we will be bankrupt the snp will take us back to the dark ages.
The moderator lady in black from Novara at the rnd had all the right arguments!
Labour saying the same as the Tories as usual.
Labour has gone back to being the left twix to the Conservatives right twix
Norway is a key supplier of oil and gas to the UK. Norway provides over a quarter of the UK’s primary energy demands, supplying 42% of our imported gas and around 62% of our imported oil in 2011.
Because uk exports most of its gas production to Europe due to lack of storage and then imports it in… also exports most of our oil production then refine and import it in
Basically the privatisation means uk produced fuels are sold elsewhere for better prices and not given to the uk population
Then imported in by energy companies at higher prices for uk consumers
It’s a relay of corporates making money and rishi granting permits to his father in law and friends to make even more money
Thus isn’t about production for the uk populations benefits
I’m surprised how Naomi or anyone else didn’t respond to the Tory mouthpieces by saying the Tories have shut down all other green policies like wind farm development, insulation, or even their own green targets.
Remember this is little england. Meanwhile the Scottish govnt is trying to push ahead with its insulate homes campaign, has been offering £10k to citizens to install heat pumps and u pay back £2.5k interest free up to 5 yrs, u choose how quickly u want to pay it back. Been a much better deal than that offerred by littke engkand for a decade. Trouble is I bet little engkand cuts back on the money they give to Scotland which is already worth less cos of truss' mini budget AND IT IS OUR MONEY THAT GOES TO LONDON AND WE R GIVEN SOME OF IT BACK.
She may not know.
Its frightening how little our mainstream leaders care about the future, ignoring the necessity of transitioning to green energy sources
Klein is a giant of integrity and intellect, and here she is having to fight for time amongst these venal, opportunist nobodies. What a state we are in
Bloody Labour just agreeing with the Tories yet again. I'd rather take the Tories for 4 more years than Starmer's Tory-lite win. I'm voting Green.
We need the Greens
@@doreenhollywood7459and Potatoes.
Restore Jeremy Corbyn!
Red and Blue Tories.
@@joekeyes2534😅😅😅 thank you!!
When the planet heats up, it doesn't matter how rich you are you're are still going to burn with us. This is so short-sighted, for short term profit.
'I plan on stopping drinking, but to do that I first need to drink myself to death!'
Why give £500 million of TAXPAYER MONEY to a private company, so they can extract OUR resources and ENRICH THEMSELVES?
What about what our lovely children think!! They won't have a life due to their actions!! Ask them!! Citizens assembly now!!
Until you have spaffordable long term storage for intermittent renewables ,as batteries are trillions and not available in scale, you will need Fossil to provide that backup and volume which scales out as as much as we have now. Nuclear 25% will need 125 , wind 75 massive , and fossil 25% of the 500 Gigawatts needed to be all electric by 2050 but more likely NEVER.
This is the best overall UK source for British and world affairs available. The key word here absent from even the BBC and other public media is “analysis..”. Despite the dire nature of many global events, coverage such as this makes one optimistic. Bravo.
That's why I enjoy them too
Why not spend 500m into nuclear energy ffs, that'll more than help us in the "transition" period. It's all BS, they want to make money
Lol. That's my MP. Listened to the podcast and don't even recognise his cookie cutter Tory bluster.
It’s not true it will be cheaper for consumers We ( consumers) have very expensive energy here in Norway. And we have a lot of energy sources, but the profiteers taking it all. The so called Green shift is also a lie for the company to make more money from wind energy. It’s disappointing
Rishi's father in law will be rejoicing at this decision - his company Infosys signed up a massive deal with BP just a couple of weeks before Spineless announced the release of exporation licenses in the North Sea.
What to do is get Scotland to ask for Independence and that will make the oil disappear….viola No Rosebank!!
The waves are not 50-60 metres high in the north sea... They get to 20-30 metres at most. Please try your best to avoid using hyperbole when talking about climate related issues because it gives the deniers ammunition to dismantle your argument.
Please everyone read Naomi Kleins books. ‘The shock doctrine’ is an eye opener. ‘No is not enough” is another that needs to be read.
"This Changes Everything", too. It is one of the best books I have read👍.
@@SuzanneO707 yeah great book too.
@@Mickyboy 👍
"No logo" is another great one.
@@Mickyboy Must investigate. Its hard to find quiet spaces to read these days👍
Why would we drill for new gas and oil?? Anything to do with rishi's father in-laws stock in BP?
Here's what will happen. The oil will go on the world market. The "transition" will always be something we "will do"; just not yet. And it never gets done.
Seeing as the elected panelists champion the idea of this extraction being necessary during the transition to net zero, I bet if asked they couldn’t explain just HOW this will work.
....and you would win your bet😅
They won't be asked that's the problem with that programme and why i don't watch it.
You arecspot on. In a recent state election in Oz , I pretended to be ignorant of the science of climate change I asked the Tory candidate if she could explain hiw how driving my car to work causes climate change. She could not. Later I delivered a letter to her office offering my services to teach her. Also included where she could learn. She has not responded. She is now deputy leader of the nsw Tories, they are called the Liberal Party here, they are worse than the UK Tories re climate, if you can imagine that. Luckily her govt party lost the election. Her name is Robyn Preston, the seat is Hawkesbury, 80kms nw of Sydney CBD. Useless, worse than.
So this oil will be used for oil companies to sell to British customers at probably extortionate prices in years to come. Keeping the rich even richer and most people poorer. Not to mention the environmental damage this causes.
Green energy is so weak you need hundreds not one. Cost is escalating to rediculous levels. Nuclear much better and gas is ok .
Most people have gas boilers and petrol cars and not enough money to buy a new electric only verison of either... also the basic infrastructure to go fully electric is just a fairy tale, it takes parking space up and hours to get fuelled up, there simpley would not be enough room to do it on large scale... some serious thought need sto go into this that has not gone into this. There no point in trying shoe horn this.
Legal action against Equinor is needed since they are the larger stakeholder. Shell has already u-turned on commiting to renewables despite a court order to reduce emissions by 50% by 2030. Clearly they feel the penalties will be insignificant.
I guess we’re too comfortable for Revolution. Feels like we’re at the point where there is no other choice
Funny that!!....During our independence referendum in 2014 the unionists said there was next to no oil left..🤔..noo there seems to be plenty...🏴🏴Saor Alba🏴🏴
English oil for English high speed rail. Whisky sales down 20% due to Brexit.. Poor Scots
No money for public sector payrises 🤷🏼♂️
The Australian Govt is doing the same here too. And this is our Labor Govt as well, not just our previous LNP 'tory' Govt.
There's NO damn difference between them in this respect either (...dont get me started on their Austerity policies).
Approving new fossil fuel projects, including fracking (ffs?!!). Projects, of which some even pose a direct *threat* to our biggest natural fresh water acquifier The Great Artesian Basin (in an often very dry country!!) ...and yep, the results of which are also all mostly exported for profit by private multinational corps.
Its well beyond insane, all round.
These private greedy billionaires and their obedient/bought political cronies, are going to be the end of us all. 😞👎
I think we are all gonna burn ..these scary people are full on mental
It is vandalism
Considering the vast profits that these oils companies make!! why, why, why??? do they need 500 million subsidies??
Taxpayers money. to Oil companies then to donations to Tory party to corrupt politicians.. That's how it's done
This is doing absolutely nothing for our energy security,what this is really doing is securing positions and huge salaries for several Tory MP,s and Sunaks father in law.
I thought the STOP OIL protesters were wrong. I see I was wrong.
Why do they get £500M of our money??
They're talking about someone elses oil fields
Westminster taking from Scotland agin 😢
Just imagine it would run out tomorrow? Why don't we assume there isn't any more and start there, and not kick the can down the road and maybe start actually changing things in another 10 years?
ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY,!!!!! ALL I WANT IS SOME TRUTH!!!
Starmer won't reverse it. 😐
Cdean what’s two times two ? Shouldn’t be too difficult, boy yer nailed what Starmer’s gonna not do , I Hope the villagers ain’t lost their compassion and everyone’s out looking for you ?
300M barrels is about a weeks worth of global use. Use the subsidies for renewals.
Short termism from both major parties. No hope
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Labourers plans and their total lack of aspiration are laid bare ,none of the main parties deserve to have an overall majority after the next election,play your part to ensure it doesn’t happen whoever you vote for
Scotland needs to stop this .
Even labour turning blue
Climate crisis! 😂😂😂😂😂
Going backwards to go forwards only works if you actually stop moving backwards
Labour are basically conservatives these days
Labour are new conservatives and old conservatives are now Ukip or for their true name BNP.
Another day, another young, keen Tory spokesperson I don’t recognise.
The Torry gravy train is a desirable commodity and a super career choice....just look what it has brought up from the swamps since....
The change over rate amongst this lot is disturbing, and doesn't fill me with confidence.
£500million to :
Tata
Southern water companies
Battery factory
And oil subsidies.
Now, how much to schools, hospitals, teachers, nurses etc etc
Wasn't there a book written about Naomi called, "Who's Afraid of Naomi Klein?" I think Elizabeth Taylor played her in the movie.
£500 million government backhander? How many electricity producing windmills could you get for that? Use it to upgrade the energy infrastructure.
Tim Stanely, a Starmerrhoid & a Tory Vs. Naomi Klein - a clubfooted spree killer on a 60s Batman set would exhibit more balance than the average pundit panel on the BBC.
The Transition Argument is 30 Years Old. It's time to build only Renewables. The technology was available in the 90's and has improved greatly to the point it is cheaper than Gas and Coal. It should be treated like a War budget and have 5 Years of huge production and integration of Renewable Energy. Time is Up for Fossil Polluting fuels.
300 million barrels total output for that environmental cost? At 100 millions barrels per day global usage, that is 3 days supply. That is what we are fucking ourselves over. You couldn't make it up.
Since 1969 and the start of North Sea oil and gas, the UK has had 50+ YEARS to build a secure energy structure by creating a "sovereign wealth fund", which would have helped our transition to a greener energy environment. Sadly, nobody seems to be talking about the one thing that would make UK energy policy secure - wave, tidal and hydro power.
How did you get to Finland Rivika? I'm sure you didn't walk there... the jet you flew on requires fuel. You lefties are nuts
That’s Siobhan “anti-capitalism is antisemitism” McDonagh! Ridiculous individual.
Realistically, prices won’t come down either as it is set in global pricing. I remember not long ago the government told us that the Ukrainian/Russian war would not affect our energy prices as we use very little Russian gas. What happened?? Everyone’s fuel bills went up extortionately. I installed solar and battery storage at the beginning of the year. My monthly cost when from around £100 - £150 per month to around £5 per month.
Absolutely awful. This is just a sop to big business. Note the labour representative's lack of opposition. Vote green.
Rivkah makes a good if not a panicky point, I agree entirely with her and it’s a global situation, we are still at the point of, Everyman/ person for themselves, we don’t know where it will happen first and if it happens in Europe or Africa, India, South America, America, Canada, Russia god forbid! Iceland, the Nordic area, Australia, Asia, we all then start to help, because that’s what happens, how about we pool proportional wealth and potential! It’s a planet that we all live on, no one has more rights than anyone else! Discuss!!!! I’m 73 it’s your life.
hat a surprise Labour MP agreeing with and using exactly same language as a Tory MP. Two cheeks of the same @rse.
Net zero impossible with current economic mindset. Oh and don't mix words like 1.5 temperature rise. Say it as it is, There endangering all are childrens futures.