Just to let everyone know, when the 727 TF came out in 62 (that's 1962 lol) the standard 2nd gear lever was 3.2, the HP lever was 4.2 (max wedge) in 67 the 440 hp was the first 3.8, the 66 HEMI was 5.0, so all the parts that are used today are from the early 727's.... The HEMI has a different 2nd gear band and drum, i don't know if it will work in the 47/48's though. It is truly a big timing game for the shifts so not to burn any frictions and still hold as was stated. The very crucial part of the shifting is the 2-3 shift. That's the timing part. Chrysler states their should be some overlap, and we are talking micro seconds. So not to get a raise in RPM. Just some more info.
It's amazing what we are doing with 1962 technology. I have a few 60s era 727s around. Amazing. Mother Mopar never thought we would be putting the torque through them that we are.
@@horsetorquesdiesel I can just see you in 40 years being like Richard and Teresa from Precision Transmission in Amarillo. Again great job Josh keep up the great work!
Great content as always. Always learn something new every video. Glad to see that you can speak well of the PDD products. I really like their oil. Just ordered a case to enter in for the skully truck.
Great video again Josh you explain the operation of the trans so well it takes some of the mystery out of automatic transmissions Great job 👍 I hope Dave is recovering well as always take care stay safe and may God bless you both always 🙋♂️🇬🇧
Ok one note. The "sprag" is actually an element just like an applied clutch. In drive 1st it applys as the drum tries to counter rotate. So in first its the forward clutch( wich is applied in all forward gears ,hence the name).and the sprag(one way roller clutch that are applied
Never said it wasn’t, obviously it can only rotate one way, hence one way sprag. It’s just a huge weak point at higher power level, which is why I explained the lr band
Great tech info! Cool to see some of the internals up close! FMVB for the win! Definitely worth taking it to a builder that knows what they are doing when you put the money into those parts inside it. Also key to do the proper maintenance and realize there isn't a transmission out there that can't be broken with abuse and that it may tolerate it for a while but not indefinitely. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks for explaining how the shifting works. Occasionally when my 47rh is cold and shifts from 1st to 2nd, I get nothing. My rpm goes up but the trany will not engage, I have to stop, shift to park and then back into drive before the trany will engage. Only happens in the winter when temps are close to 40f and trans hasn't warmed up.
I appreciate your comments on the transmission fluid you didn’t try to hack anybody’s product you were very professional about it are use Amsoil products their transmission fluid is outstanding for example they did a field study in Las Vegas about 34 years ago I can’t remember it’s been a little while and they ran a taxi cab a dodge charger is a V-6 and I treated had what I call the police package the heavy radiator and stuff like that they ran 186,000 miles without changing of fluid oh by the way they started off with a brand new car and the fluid was still in excellent condition and so is the transmission and according to the computer on the car they were averaging 27 mph so yeah I’m sure PDD has very good fluid and the fluid you’re buying it’s got a meat spec so it’s gonna do a good job even though it’s not as expensive as the other stuff it Hass to meats back and anyway it’s a six in a row gym from Kennerdell Pennsylvania thank you for that tutorial it was very informative
Nice video. Glad to hear the need is growing for good cores. I swapped to a manual which fits my needs better (Daily drive, not after speed or pulling).
Im right there with ya, ill stick with my manual nv5600. 0-60 eventually haha but itll pull a house down. -Every automatic guy at one point wishes he had a manual transmission, guys with a manual transmission never look at their buddies and say ‘dang gummit you know i really wished i had a automatic transmission’, said no one ever. -A manual is a ‘mansmission’ -A 6 speed is the best anti theft device. -in the forums and on fb groups the top 2 asked questions are, ‘how much does it cost to manual swap my truck?’ And how hard is it and what do i need to manual swap my automatic truck?’ Not ever do you hesr anyone asking, how hard is it to rebuild my auromatic trans? Or what doni need to rebuild my automatic trans? People are automatically scared of them! Ha! In auto/ diesel school i was really good with the autos in transmission class, even passed the ASE test for transmissions the first time! Theres good money in it. I just wont ever habe another one. My ‘06 mega cab was an auto and after it ill never have another. All my first gens have been getrags, and my second gen ‘02 HO 24v is a 5600 6 speed, that ive done a few bullet proofin and upgrades for Longevity and extra fluid capacity. Always over fill a nv5600 from the top by removing the shift tower and dumping in an extra qt or 2. Ive heard one extra wt, ive heard 2 extra qts. *shrug*. The genos garage ‘cool-it’s finned pto coolers add an extra quart per side.
Really very good vidéo ! I like how does it work in direct, not with the book. I have a 47 Re , and Im going to change the oe clutches by réd alto clutches which are stronger than oe. Thank you for this vidéo
Great work ! Thanks for keeping the explanation simple. Wish I had brought my 48 to you. Just purchased a Suncoast 48 rated for 600hp. When it shifts you know it! What causes the harsh shifting? I like it but some people freak out.
Great information. 👍 I'm right in TCS' backyard and have been considering using their products. The fact that you speak highly👏 of their products says alot. 47rh build here I come..... Any chance of doing some videos 📹 covering valve bodies and shift kits ??
I have a 47re in a 2001 24v in the UK. I have lost ALL gears. Park and 5 neutrals. I have ZERO pressure at all test port. Give me a clue as to what might be wrong before I take the transmission out!
Great explanation of the operation dynamics. I have a 47re with a transgo shift kit. I have been plagued with a hard 1-2 shift and a harsh 2-1 shift, almost a “bonk on deceleration. If I understand a tiny bit of your presentation then it might be the 2nd gear band is too tight??? Many thanks.
I like how you were showing the difference in the bullet shafts!!! 😏 lol jk awesome video I wish you did 68s. I spoke with Dave and Ethan thank bro awesome dedication in you videos bro
What do u normally aim for on clearance on the direct and forward? Im having a hell of a time getting enough clearance on the forward with the goerend hd belleville kit and the .780" billet piston. Using a 47rh clutch retainer.
hey love the videos, i have a 98 12v basically completely stock. trans has hard shifts from 1-2 when cold feels fine when hot. 2-3 doesn’t like to shift tho and when it dose it will bounce back from 3-2 2-3 over and over doesn’t matter the speed, warm and cold more so when cold tho. i just ordered new filter and fluid. would doing servo, strut, accumulator, and anchor at the same help at all or do you think it’s all the valve body? just trying to keep her going until i can get a full build.
Question for ya if you could give me any free advice I'd appreciate it. My truck doesn't always shift down into first gear. When it does you feel it kick. When it doesn't it stays in 2nd. I have replaced the speed sensor and upgraded my shift solenoid to the GM Conversion. Adjusted the bands to book spec with out any luck. Would a transmission flush potentially solve that problem if the internals are dirty? Or is it another problem? All other gears are fine. Great video!
Do you buy cores and have the stators resurfaced, or is there a particular seller on ebay who sells the pump assemblies already reconditioned with the stators resurfaced? Thank you!!! @@horsetorquesdiesel
Underrated comment It’s Possible you got lucky and put it together correctly without measuring. I’d say 1-2 out of 10 I build are actually close on my first educated guess on clearance
The 3.8 apply lever comes in the 47re I have a bunch of them lol. Where do you get the spacer for the intermediate shaft the different color ones I think there is red blue and yellow I always have hard time finding them. Do you use a flat snap ring in the direct drum or the wave and what clearance do you set it up at I was told .100
I was told between .085 and .095 . It's dependent and a few things though. Servo style , apply lever, direct clutch count, valve body setup , 2nd gear band setup .
Mopar still had some spacers available last time I checked. Your clearance plays into the shift timing. Lots of variables. But like Mark said .085-.095 is a good place to start. And if you go w a flat snap ring in the direct it will firm the shift up a little.
I have a 47re out of my 1997 2500 4x4 and want to know what parts would you suggest from a 48re to upgrade my 47re and is there a difference in the planetary gear pitch?
For a guy (or girl for that matter) who is looking at a rebuild of a 48re who doesn’t wanna go full lot build but maybe do it himself. What are some entry level parts he should be buying (besides a billet converter) to hold about 500 horse daily.
Honestly a lot Billet input Billet anchor strut lever Triple disc Second gear servo cover Billet accumulator Gpz clutches Run 5 in the direct minimum Add 1 in the overdrive brake
Is there an adjustment i can make to prevent my overdrive from coming on too soon? I feel like 45mph is a little too soon bc the drug almost luggs untill i get up around 55mph
So I got a issue with my trans where I'm not getting 4th gear. Supposedly it was rebuilt and it looks clean as if it was. But not sure what should I change to try and see what the issue is. It's a 47re. 96 ram 2500
Hello. Was hoping someone could help me. I have a late 47re in my early production 2003 5.9 When i stab the pedal the transmission will do what I describe as hunting for a gear or almost more like locking and unlocking like it is going into neutral and back into drive but it happens real fast. Im pushing only around 400hp on a garage built tranny. Guy that did the tranny was a former tranny shop owner with plenty of former experience. Not sure entirely what he did to the build but the fact that it has not given up the ghost tells me that at least some work was done. Any ideas what could be happening?
@@horsetorquesdiesel I've been playing with that. Tried tighter then looser. From what I've read and videos I've watched it should be adjusted just abput right. There is only a little play in the cable now. I'll try running it a bit tighter.
If you figured these out and can build them to handle some power, that's awesome! I'm already looking into my future built 68, so far it's either Revmax, Suncoast, Firepunk and who knows...maybe you!
Thank you for explaining how and when the different "gears" apply. Great job.
Just to let everyone know, when the 727 TF came out in 62 (that's 1962 lol) the standard 2nd gear lever was 3.2, the HP lever was 4.2 (max wedge) in 67 the 440 hp was the first 3.8, the 66 HEMI was 5.0, so all the parts that are used today are from the early 727's.... The HEMI has a different 2nd gear band and drum, i don't know if it will work in the 47/48's though. It is truly a big timing game for the shifts so not to burn any frictions and still hold as was stated. The very crucial part of the shifting is the 2-3 shift. That's the timing part. Chrysler states their should be some overlap, and we are talking micro seconds. So not to get a raise in RPM. Just some more info.
Good info man thanks!
It's amazing what we are doing with 1962 technology. I have a few 60s era 727s around. Amazing. Mother Mopar never thought we would be putting the torque through them that we are.
I love mopar guys.
Really great info here Josh, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge! I still haven't done my trans yet so more info = more good !!!!
Great video Josh. Very informative.
Glad you liked it!
@@horsetorquesdiesel I can just see you in 40 years being like Richard and Teresa from Precision Transmission in Amarillo. Again great job Josh keep up the great work!
Great video love how u compared shafts not all of us have multiple shafts to c and compare that’s awesome
Thanks
Great content as always. Always learn something new every video. Glad to see that you can speak well of the PDD products. I really like their oil. Just ordered a case to enter in for the skully truck.
the trans fluid is good, the engine oil i feel like hotshots tests much better
@@horsetorquesdiesel I'll give them a try after I use up what I ordered. Thanks
THANK YOU, SIR!!! Excellent explanation.
Great technical content lately Josh!!! Keep it up! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Good video. Very professional, level-headed presentation. Well done.
Great video again Josh you explain the operation of the trans so well it takes some of the mystery out of automatic transmissions
Great job 👍
I hope Dave is recovering well as always take care stay safe and may God bless you both always 🙋♂️🇬🇧
Ok one note. The "sprag" is actually an element just like an applied clutch. In drive 1st it applys as the drum tries to counter rotate. So in first its the forward clutch( wich is applied in all forward gears ,hence the name).and the sprag(one way roller clutch that are applied
Never said it wasn’t, obviously it can only rotate one way, hence one way sprag. It’s just a huge weak point at higher power level, which is why I explained the lr band
Hell Yeah Brother 🇺🇸🦅
I sure wish you were around in 94!!no one knew shit about these back then
Great tech info! Cool to see some of the internals up close! FMVB for the win! Definitely worth taking it to a builder that knows what they are doing when you put the money into those parts inside it. Also key to do the proper maintenance and realize there isn't a transmission out there that can't be broken with abuse and that it may tolerate it for a while but not indefinitely. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks for explaining how the shifting works. Occasionally when my 47rh is cold and shifts from 1st to 2nd, I get nothing. My rpm goes up but the trany will not engage, I have to stop, shift to park and then back into drive before the trany will engage. Only happens in the winter when temps are close to 40f and trans hasn't warmed up.
Awesome info!! Great Video Josh!
Great content and info thanks for sharing
I appreciate your comments on the transmission fluid you didn’t try to hack anybody’s product you were very professional about it are use Amsoil products their transmission fluid is outstanding for example they did a field study in Las Vegas about 34 years ago I can’t remember it’s been a little while and they ran a taxi cab a dodge charger is a V-6 and I treated had what I call the police package the heavy radiator and stuff like that they ran 186,000 miles without changing of fluid oh by the way they started off with a brand new car and the fluid was still in excellent condition and so is the transmission and according to the computer on the car they were averaging 27 mph so yeah I’m sure PDD has very good fluid and the fluid you’re buying it’s got a meat spec so it’s gonna do a good job even though it’s not as expensive as the other stuff it Hass to meats back and anyway it’s a six in a row gym from Kennerdell Pennsylvania thank you for that tutorial it was very informative
Nice video. Glad to hear the need is growing for good cores. I swapped to a manual which fits my needs better (Daily drive, not after speed or pulling).
Im right there with ya, ill stick with my manual nv5600. 0-60 eventually haha but itll pull a house down. -Every automatic guy at one point wishes he had a manual transmission, guys with a manual transmission never look at their buddies and say ‘dang gummit you know i really wished i had a automatic transmission’, said no one ever. -A manual is a ‘mansmission’
-A 6 speed is the best anti theft device.
-in the forums and on fb groups the top 2 asked questions are, ‘how much does it cost to manual swap my truck?’
And how hard is it and what do i need to manual swap my automatic truck?’
Not ever do you hesr anyone asking, how hard is it to rebuild my auromatic trans? Or what doni need to rebuild my automatic trans? People are automatically scared of them! Ha! In auto/ diesel school i was really good with the autos in transmission class, even passed the ASE test for transmissions the first time! Theres good money in it. I just wont ever habe another one. My ‘06 mega cab was an auto and after it ill never have another. All my first gens have been getrags, and my second gen ‘02 HO 24v is a 5600 6 speed, that ive done a few bullet proofin and upgrades for
Longevity and extra fluid capacity. Always over fill a nv5600 from the top by removing the shift tower and dumping in an extra qt or 2. Ive heard one extra wt, ive heard 2 extra qts. *shrug*.
The genos garage ‘cool-it’s finned pto coolers add an extra quart per side.
Really very good vidéo ! I like how does it work in direct, not with the book. I have a 47 Re , and Im going to change the oe clutches by réd alto clutches which are stronger than oe.
Thank you for this vidéo
This was an awesome video. Great content. This is the stuff is Need. Thank you
Hell yeah brother🦅
What in tarnation. I say that first 🤣😂. Caught me at work today
caught you slipping
Great work ! Thanks for keeping the explanation simple. Wish I had brought my 48 to you. Just purchased a Suncoast 48 rated for 600hp. When it shifts you know it! What causes the harsh shifting? I like it but some people freak out.
AWESOME TECH TIP VIDEO JOSH. I LOVE IT.
Very informative i appreciate the help brother
This is the mustache the people deserve 🤘🏼👌🏼
Very informative video Josh ! 😬👍🏻
My 04.5 had an early 48re, when I was trying to sell it a guy tried convincing me it was really a 47re because it still uses a cable
hopefully you got that squared away!
Great information. 👍
I'm right in TCS' backyard and have been considering using their products. The fact that you speak highly👏 of their products says alot.
47rh build here I come.....
Any chance of doing some videos 📹 covering valve bodies and shift kits ??
I have a 47re in a 2001 24v in the UK. I have lost ALL gears. Park and 5 neutrals. I have ZERO pressure at all test port. Give me a clue as to what might be wrong before I take the transmission out!
Great explanation of the operation dynamics.
I have a 47re with a transgo shift kit. I have been plagued with a hard 1-2 shift and a harsh 2-1 shift, almost a “bonk on deceleration. If I understand a tiny bit of your presentation then it might be the 2nd gear band is too tight??? Many thanks.
Have done a few stock rebuilds. Learned more from this than anything else. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
I like how you were showing the difference in the bullet shafts!!! 😏 lol jk awesome video I wish you did 68s. I spoke with Dave and Ethan thank bro awesome dedication in you videos bro
Billet
How about shedding some more light on drilling out the rear of the case for improved oiling and riveting the case for support
Look at my latest video
What is the best friction disc and belt to use in the 700hp range?
What do u normally aim for on clearance on the direct and forward? Im having a hell of a time getting enough clearance on the forward with the goerend hd belleville kit and the .780" billet piston. Using a 47rh clutch retainer.
Hi very nice video, what can cause slipping when press accelerator hard to overtake a vehicle or increase speed ? Thanks
hey love the videos, i have a 98 12v basically completely stock. trans has hard shifts from 1-2 when cold feels fine when hot. 2-3 doesn’t like to shift tho and when it dose it will bounce back from 3-2 2-3 over and over doesn’t matter the speed, warm and cold more so when cold tho. i just ordered new filter and fluid. would doing servo, strut, accumulator, and anchor at the same help at all or do you think it’s all the valve body? just trying to keep her going until i can get a full build.
Great video man 👍, in a manual valve body situation, can a 47re tail housing/output shaft be put on a 47rh to bring it to 47re size?
👍💪
Question for ya if you could give me any free advice I'd appreciate it. My truck doesn't always shift down into first gear. When it does you feel it kick. When it doesn't it stays in 2nd. I have replaced the speed sensor and upgraded my shift solenoid to the GM Conversion. Adjusted the bands to book spec with out any luck. Would a transmission flush potentially solve that problem if the internals are dirty? Or is it another problem? All other gears are fine. Great video!
Check the throttle valve adjustment
Great video man. I'm just about to build my first 46RH. Where are you able to buy fresh pumps for these transmissions?
eBay is where I go!
Do you buy cores and have the stators resurfaced, or is there a particular seller on ebay who sells the pump assemblies already reconditioned with the stators resurfaced? Thank you!!! @@horsetorquesdiesel
I built my rh in my barn and I honestly had no idea about the tolerance factor now I’m questioning how my truck still drives
Underrated comment
It’s Possible you got lucky and put it together correctly without measuring. I’d say 1-2 out of 10 I build are actually close on my first educated guess on clearance
The 3.8 apply lever comes in the 47re I have a bunch of them lol.
Where do you get the spacer for the intermediate shaft the different color ones I think there is red blue and yellow I always have hard time finding them.
Do you use a flat snap ring in the direct drum or the wave and what clearance do you set it up at I was told .100
I was told between .085 and .095 . It's dependent and a few things though. Servo style , apply lever, direct clutch count, valve body setup , 2nd gear band setup .
Mopar still had some spacers available last time I checked. Your clearance plays into the shift timing. Lots of variables. But like Mark said .085-.095 is a good place to start. And if you go w a flat snap ring in the direct it will firm the shift up a little.
I have a 47re out of my 1997 2500 4x4 and want to know what parts would you suggest from a 48re to upgrade my 47re and is there a difference in the planetary gear pitch?
Awesome video. For a future video it'd be sick how to actually put one together. Might be a tedious video though but informative.
Already did go back to 2020
@@horsetorquesdiesel Right on, found it thanks
👍 looks like one of johns trans
For a guy (or girl for that matter) who is looking at a rebuild of a 48re who doesn’t wanna go full lot build but maybe do it himself. What are some entry level parts he should be buying (besides a billet converter) to hold about 500 horse daily.
Honestly a lot
Billet input
Billet anchor strut lever
Triple disc
Second gear servo cover
Billet accumulator
Gpz clutches
Run 5 in the direct minimum
Add 1 in the overdrive brake
Thanks Josh. Wish you were still in Utah but glad you are finding success back East.
In a F450 flat bed delivery truck is the 48re worth be rebuild?
Building my transmission again 😂
You didn't talk about down shift fare (direct to 2nd).
Which pump is best to use in 7 to 800 hp 47re?
Literally the same thing as upshift just in reverse
Would you share your 2nd gear band adjustment procedure?
I literally just do it by feel
@@horsetorquesdiesel tighten and back off or just tighten till you feel minimal resistance?
Maaann where you located I need my trans rebuilt in my 04 lol
Abingdon VA
I'd really love to rebuild my own trans but it's way too much money if I mess up. I'd love to pay someone to build it and be able to help/watch.
Good luck finding someone to do that man! I used to but I just don’t have the time
Is there an adjustment i can make to prevent my overdrive from coming on too soon? I feel like 45mph is a little too soon bc the drug almost luggs untill i get up around 55mph
What year
@@horsetorquesdiesel 1999
So I got a issue with my trans where I'm not getting 4th gear. Supposedly it was rebuilt and it looks clean as if it was. But not sure what should I change to try and see what the issue is. It's a 47re. 96 ram 2500
Check overdrive solenoid, could also be a cut overdrive piston seal
@@horsetorquesdiesel ok cool I'll check that. If its the seal is it hard to get?
Hello. Was hoping someone could help me.
I have a late 47re in my early production 2003 5.9
When i stab the pedal the transmission will do what I describe as hunting for a gear or almost more like locking and unlocking like it is going into neutral and back into drive but it happens real fast. Im pushing only around 400hp on a garage built tranny.
Guy that did the tranny was a former tranny shop owner with plenty of former experience.
Not sure entirely what he did to the build but the fact that it has not given up the ghost tells me that at least some work was done.
Any ideas what could be happening?
Try adjusting the tv
@@horsetorquesdiesel I've been playing with that. Tried tighter then looser. From what I've read and videos I've watched it should be adjusted just abput right. There is only a little play in the cable now. I'll try running it a bit tighter.
Will you fix my transmission is a 2005 3500 5.9 48re where are you located?
Yes we can, Abingdon VA
Have you done a 68RFE yet?
Yep, not giving anything out on those, cost me far too much money to figure it out 😂 maybe in a few years
If you figured these out and can build them to handle some power, that's awesome! I'm already looking into my future built 68, so far it's either Revmax, Suncoast, Firepunk and who knows...maybe you!
Can this be for a 46re to
Some parts ues
You lost me