@@sgredsch The question is not to have dozens of different systems each for a specific task. Its more about having one (the swiss army knife). It depends massively on the task, so the comparison in single thread for example, how much does it benefit from the huge cache?. The discussion blue vs. red vs. apple silicon ist too single dimensional. 7950x vs 12600K or is the correct battle 14900K vs 7600x it heavily depends whats your specific understanding of a creators work, if you ask 1000 creators you will have 1001 definitions. for one the bl7ue machine is the best choice, for another one with a different definition of the task perhaps a re a TR or a mac is the suitable machine. The answer only intel or only mac or only AMD is wrong by default, its only valid for a specific definition of the task to perform. If you need 256 GB of RAM and above the intel the ryzen and the aplle silicon will have a slight, really just slight problem, even with a need of 128 GB is the question do they still perform as good as on 32 Gb or do they have limited Memorytransfers to not overload the memorycontroller. And the most important question over all do this differences matter or is the human in front of the machine the real bottleneck. I don't need a creator for a task that is done autonomous, this can can done by night, if its done in 3 hours or in two hours doesn't matter, if its not possible to perform due to memory constraints, that does matter. And its matters if uses double or tripple amount of wattage.
You should probably add some AM4 CPUs here as well specifically the 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X. Just to see where current AM4 owners can find the best value and if jumping to AM5 is worth it at the moment.
Yeah, kind of odd that this list skips a good portion of Ryzen 5000 higher end CPU. I'm running a 5950 and would assume it's a tier or so above the 3950.
X670e boards have a limited number of pcie lanes as well. Am4 may be better for more peripherals at the moment. Thread ripper fixes this issue but $$$.
@@skilletpan5674 I started with a R3 2200G, two years later moved to a R7 3700X with a RX580, and last bump up was two years after that a R9 5950X with a RX6800XT... All on AM4 and still running the same RAM I bought in 2018. Doubled the amount of RAM for 64GB and overclocked it to 3400MHz C14. Still have a full 8x PCIe 4.0 slot open for adding another GPU in a couple years. I should be good on my PC until 2030.
@@peppernickelly yeah nice. I had an i7-3930k that finally died but was starting to get a bit slow. I had to upgrade and I weighed up x670 and x570 and x670 was similar price where I am. So I want r9-7950x and I hope it'll last another 5 to 10 years. I need to upgrade my rx 570 soon.
@@skilletpan5674 Very nice! On GPUs I just check the 4K capabilities, so many of the high end cards are very similar because of bandwidth limits more so than the amount of VRAM and flops. Of course, the $2k cards are a bump up but not worth it unless you're making money on it usually.
Great, very helpful… but what about Ableton Live??? I’m sure music creation is equally important as video and graphics etc. if you could do a film for music folk it might be something… Intel and Ryzen to see what’s joining on in the program… version 12 is out soon.
How about doing a similar performance test for DAW‘s? Then you can build it and send it to me, also a similar test for plugin hosts like Gig Performer or Little Professor ?
13:00 a premium offer of the threadripper is supporting ecc memory and its one of the most important advantages over the regular platform. you said it by yourself in the beginning, testing with standard jedec memory profile cuz stability is key.
Me too. I see that these new ones only support DDR4 or 5. Going from 80GB of DDR3, I wish I could skip the memory upgrade, but, I dont think so. So, it maybe a new 14900K, 128GB ram DDR5 or 4, and a Mobo. BUT...how long before AMD releases their next cpu? And will it be affordable, or $150-250+ more $ ??
@@philindeblanc no idea how much improvement we will be seeing in the new gen. They should be coming out in the middle of this year. Pricing will be interesting considering the current inflationary scenarios.
I dont think I can wait for middle, and I think prices will be too much, so I need a z790 mobo under $350 that has 192gb ram and thunderbolt4 support. @@thedigitallens
The 3D variants of the Ryzen cpus should definitely be considered. Specially the de 7950x3D is a beast performer while being a LOT cooler and efficient. Ideal for ITX builds or anyone who cares about temps and consumption whit out having to underclock manually.
Have a lot of performance issues because cpu scheduling that depends on windows game bar. You dont know what performance you are going to get in an application.
dont buy any other x3d CPU than the 7800x3d. its a waste of money. enabled eco Mode if you are concerned about power draw. no use in spending $200 extra in exchange for a single setting in the BIOS.
CPUs are getting a lot powerful and Applications cant keep up and are not yet fully optimized to take full advantage of all those cores, huge amount of cache, multithreading, ..etc, i would like to see how much power consumption for each CPU in each benchmark
Have a look at gamers nexus or hardware unbowed. They usually have power draw with a bunch of benchmarks. M3 I'm not sure about. I think I saw a benchmark that showed it wasn't as good as some of the ryzen cpus.
Great work! Enjoyed seeing such a thorough review. A little disappointed that so many gens of Intel were present, but no AMD 5000 mainstream chips (5950x, 5900x, 5800x).
There's no real point. The 7800x3d gets destroyed by pretty much any 7000 non-x3d cpu. And the 7900x3d is slightly behind the 7900x, sometimes falling under the 7700x. But for the most part sites between the 7900x and the 7700x. The 7950x3d is only beaten out by the 7950x and above. These scores were done by gamers nexus in their productivity testing. So they should show similar performance here.
Great video! I love this channel! Very useful. The Apple M3 Pro was a real surprise (as I am into music production, and the single-thread performance is more important, for me, than multi-thread performance).
The power consumption gap between the 7950X and Intel CPUs like the 14900K make the Intel CPUs a lot less appealing for content creation. It's not just the cost of the power to consider, it's the heat, the cooling, and the case ventilation which all need to be considered as well.
Yes, AMD is more power efficient at heavy work loads. But Intel is more power efficient at idle and lower loads (which is where most people's computers are sitting at most of the time).
Thx for this huge roundup ! I’ve just ordered a TR 7970x , a vray rendering beast best price/performance ratio and best single /multi core performance balance 🤩
As you said, for TR the main problem is that the programs do not recognize so many cores. The other is that it is slightly underclocked compared to RYZEN processors. But with these processors, two of these tests can be done at the same time without changing the data much, which is already their huge advantage over all the others
@@sgredsch Two desks, two computer cases, two motherboards, two video cards, two power supplies, two mice, two keyboards, optional monitors for any configuration... Your suggestion seems somewhat illogical to me, provided I can do everything from a single computer system, not a minimum of two! Try again!
Great video. Thanks for telling me that my 4th Generation Intel doesn't even rate anymore. Back in 2012 it was rated as a 3 or more. Every year there is going to be a leader, more money to spend on the fastest. Like buying a Farrari.
Hey there, nice list and benchmarks, really helpful. But for Blender benchmarks could you please not do only render tests but the Realtime performance of editing large meshes in blender, subdiv modifiers, modifier stacks, crtl-z performance, etc. Those are the real tests i believe for power users of blender. It would also be great if you could say which hardware part is affected the most in these scenarios. Thanks and continue the good work!
For most creators, they just need Intel quick-sync, a 13th or 14th gen and a solid 70 series card. AMD Ryzen cannot compete in the 422 codecs, which is the standard creator codec on consumer cameras. RADEON gpus are also a no-no, generally having few upsides for most workflows, unless you can’t afford a top NVIDIA gpu Apple M3 Max can do it all, with a huge pool of RAM too. It just lacks that headroom on the GPU that you can get on 80 and 90 class Nvidia cards, for 8k raw workflows. And it’s also really expensive Even for raw and compressed mixed workflows, threadripper has terrible price to performance, and you’re giving up quick-sync. So it’s only recommended for RAW-only builds and CPU rendering or compiling
depends on you camera too....intel quick sync doesn't work in 422 10 bits with H264, only H265...and my Panasonic use H264 in 422 10 bits, so quick sync is useless, or I have to reencode all my rush before use them
Love the work on this. I was wondering if you might do something similar with mini pcs/laptops soon? Got my big rig at home but I could do with something portable to use on location.
@@sgredsch I currently have a 1st gen Threadripper, 16-core 1950X. Indeed, C1 uses all cores. Actually, I do not need an upgrade right now, especially since modern Threadrippers are way more expensive.
@@Skillividden to be honest i think low system latency, high Single core boost and fast ssds will gain you more after already having 16 cores than throwing 32 or 64 high latency low clockspeed cores at the issue.
I love your hardwork. Actually the difference between top 10 CPUs are too much close to each other. In real life, I think it is hard to notice that seconds. Please add current prices to end of the benchmark list to know actually which must be selected. Thanks for all
You're a mad man for testing all the SSDS', GPUs, and CPUs!! Fantastic video as always and thank you for your hard work because i cant imagine the grind for these types of videos 😅
As an i7-14700k owner, I can confirm that this CPU is real monster! I'm full time editor in After Effects and this CPU can handle every single thing I edit 🚀
I've been watching a lot of benchmarks videos I cant find solution to get the best CPU for me i do bit of everything Davinci, fusion, after effects, houdini, redshift and v-ray most of my 3D rendering is GPU Im just looking for something to be great in after effects and davinci and 3D viewports I'm between 14900 or 7950x probably I'll make my decision after the Ryzen 9000 since I heard zen5 will be on a different level of performance
Great effort great data maintaining work as well Shows commitment towards it It’s a good mirror to showcase which path to take depending upon the workflow Great work Keep it up
I think if you boosted the intel ram to a certain point that allows for it to "stretch their legs" you should have done this for the amd as well. having such a slow clock speed on your amd ram just cuts them down. If you have those specs with what people are recommending at 6000 speeds (6400 something similar) I think a few of these would show more red on top. Thanks for the details though.
Never am I tying up my working PC. Here's my take and a reality check .. If I'm doing a project where a compile time is 30 minutes versus 60 minutes then it's not going to be my only computer. At home I have full use of my office's servers and large projects are compiled there, and if I want something done at home in my home office I have two relatively powerful PCs.
As a Mac user for the last 10 years I’ve been looking for building a pc, not for gaming but for 3d and video production and your videos are a guide in the sea of information that is out there. Thanks a lot man for your amazing work, keep going !!!
Thank you very much for the extensive tests. If I can provide a comment, I find this video a bit uncomplete if not even a bit biased toward last intel consumer CPUs. Let me explain. • Uncomplete because the only metrics you are considering are the benchmark results in consumer contect creation applications. You always put Adobe suites at firsts while the industry use DaVinci, Avid, Blender, Cinema 4D and so on. In the professional content creation industry, almost no one use H.264 and HEVC at production phase. Reference codecs are RED RAW, ProRes, Sony RAW and Blackmagic RAW at resolution way beyond 4K. In this framework Intel Quick Sync is almost useless. • Moreover, you completely skip PCIe lanes number topic. Intel provide 20 lanes in their consumer platform. This means that you can connect only 1 GPU and 1 M.2 SSD at full speed, all the rest shares bandwidth through the chipset. In the professional content creation segment where you must manage large storage, additional GPU, even acquisition boards, the increased number of PCIe lanes offered by Threadripper or Xeon platform are fundamental. • Another topic you skip is the memory capacity at full speed. Consumer platforms go at full speed only with 2 memory sticks installed, which translates in 96 GB maximum RAM. Professional CPUs can scale up to 4 TB of full speed RAM and with ECC enabled. In some large projects 96 GB of RAM is simply not enough, and possible memory corruption due to unsupported ECC or even memory overclocking, cannot be tollerated. • Finally, while at the beginning of video you claim to use standard memory speed, for all platforms, in many tables you include a 14900K configuration with memory overclock. It seems to me an attempt to put an Intel platform on top even where a Threadripper performs normally better. My next professional content creation platform will be a Threadripper 7970x one with a 4090 GPU.
@@TheUltraMinebox agesa 1007 supports above 7200 mts on zen4, 6400 is only the sweet spot for gaming. For productivity benchmarks where memory bandwidth is important running faster freq RAM could provide much better scores. Plus he's not even running 6000 which the old bios supported, he's running 5200. It's gimped on purpose.
@@asdf_asdf948Doesn't surprise me at all. This guy loves intel and nvidia. The fact that some people are going with THE 14900K over a 7700x blows my mind. The socket is dead, and Ryzen 8000 will launch in Q2 2024, Intel 15th gen will come out around the end of the YEAR. If you're going DDR5 just go Ryzen 7000, get a decent AM5 mobo, and slap on a Zen 5 processor when they launch! You can always sell your old CPU to make up for the purchase. The thing that makes my blood boil is how he says people who render with CPU. Who the hell does that? Most people bought a GPU to render, its in the damn name! GRAPHICS processing unit.
Woha. The best review I have seen of CPUs. Well done. I had decided to get 7950 but now I will give 14900K. Serious look. Use case art programs like Lightroom and Photoshop.
@@sattayakongkom8222 srry I am little confused intel is better than AMD in math and programing ? You mean it can do the arithnethucs faster ? And its better for developers ?
You cannot include the M3 Mac chip as an apples-to-apples comparison. It's not an X86_64 CPU. It uses a proprietary Unix kernel. While it is representative of consistent performance, it's not proper for this chart to base percentages and datapoints.
It would be great to also see comparison of efficiency (performance per watt). Sometimes (for example, when building small form factor PC) it's better to go with non-K CPU (like 13600 / 14600, or may be even T-version of CPU?) to get much lower TDP/power consumption for a price of a very slight drop of score.
While I understand it takes a lot of time to benchmark for Blender, with multiple passes for each CPU, I think it would've been better just to stick with benchmarking on one version of Blender--that way your data is comparable and not affected by differing performance (Blender 3.6 can have better performance than Blender 4.0)--or just to scrap old data and keeping up to date with the newer versions of Blender. I say this since there is no indication whatsoever which CPUs were benchmarked in what version. Having different scores compared when there could be more than a roughly 5% delta between benchmark scores of different versions may mislead someone who is considering making a purchase. Just a heads up.
Is there any difference in productivity between ryzen 7000 series with x or non x? In my country the non x is cheaper and I will probably get it unless there is a huge difference in productivity.
Hi, very nice video. I've few queries: What RAM do you use, in which frequency, 2/4 stick? Please, give details. Also, please do mention that you do RAM OC/XMP? Asking this question as I recently purchased an Asus ProArt z790-creator wifi motherboard. Now looking to buy RAM for 3D & Video editing work.
what is your stance on intel now? should i buy or not? is there any way to just punch in some s/n and verifying if the is from a bad batch or are all 13,14 gen 50/50?
I'd say its the best for both as you can decide what to do with your cores with some tuning. Want to run some physics simulations on blender along with compositing and maybe even programming? You can use process lasso to dedicate the non V-cache cores to take on the faster tasks, and for gaming, you can have the vcache cores take care of any game you throw at them. Best of all is that you could be gaming AND creating at the same time, depending on how you arrange your cores.
Hello very good comparision!!! i missed the AMD epyc family processors (7773x and 7763 and 7742 and 9654), since the xeons were there also... thanks!!!
Was wondering if I should buy a i5 12600k build or a Ryzen 5 7600x build, didn't expect both of them to be so far behind when using blender, maybe I should save up more money first
Hi, your results regarding 14700k in Davinci resolve are different from your previous comparison alway based on puget benchmarks. What caused this differences?
Thanks, that was fascinating. So my i7-12700 doesn't really need the upgrade I was thinking of doing. 75-80% of most applications is fine for me, especially since I'm not doing video work.
The blender results are kinda useless. Except for very specific use cases, no one renders with their CPU. Something like simulation baking or viewport performance would have been a better test.
Thank you for your hardwork, I think you should include whats the best performance to dollars etc at the end of these videos to give consumers what parts are the best to go for. So like if people are working with 3D workflow, should pair the xxx CPU with the xxx GPU at this amount of $.
Could you PLEASE test any laptop with the new intel core ultra vs something like the MacBook m1 pro 16 inch? They usually come close in price for new conditions. And I'm also wondering what premiere pro and battery life compares now with the new intel chip 🙏🙏
Would be great if you could make a video on the Intel sync. Why ist better to have, how to activated, how it works, how it merge with a Nvidia GPU, etc
you should of had composite scores combining all the benchmarks and then a best overall value chip based on price/perf ratios - maybe you can do a followup - zen5 will likely make a splash and then x3d zen5 will do even better - zen5 is probably best forward guidance for prospective creators
He does a "Best Bang for Your Buck* pc build for different work flows. So that takes into account all the peripheral components as well. I think that might be more helpful overall. I think its safe to say from the video, the 14900K with 6400mts is the overall winner. The Thread rippers at the end take huge deltas for 3D rendering so their placement in a statistical curve would be massively augmented by that. Most of the other CPU's followed somewhat similar paths through the testing.
question from someone who has never had a dedicated gpu, just the intel integrated one. lightroom is a cpu bound software. what kind of performance boost would it have if you add in a dedicated gpu? please use terms that normal people can understand, im kinda dumdum.. thankyou ^_^
Suggest a processor for installation that would do good rendering work and not feel laggy (I don't want the best, but I also don't want it to not work with shake, twixtor pro and other special effects), I'll wait for your answer
The top-rated CPUs expected to be released in 2024 are AMD's Zen 5 architecture (8000 series CPUs) and Intel's 15th generation CPUs known as Arrow Lake.
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Even if the 3D CPUs are not aimed at creators, the positioning against the non 3D could be interesting.
Tom,
Sun systems ?
creators need apple only
noobs need AMD, intel.
@@lucasrem that comment was almost incomprehensible
they are slower in basically all workloads. if you game, get 7800x3d. if you work, get Intel.
@@sgredsch The question is not to have dozens of different systems each for a specific task. Its more about having one (the swiss army knife).
It depends massively on the task, so the comparison in single thread for example, how much does it benefit from the huge cache?. The discussion blue vs. red vs. apple silicon ist too single dimensional. 7950x vs 12600K or is the correct battle 14900K vs 7600x it heavily depends whats your specific understanding of a creators work, if you ask 1000 creators you will have 1001 definitions. for one the bl7ue machine is the best choice, for another one with a different definition of the task perhaps a re a TR or a mac is the suitable machine. The answer only intel or only mac or only AMD is wrong by default, its only valid for a specific definition of the task to perform.
If you need 256 GB of RAM and above the intel the ryzen and the aplle silicon will have a slight, really just slight problem, even with a need of 128 GB is the question do they still perform as good as on 32 Gb or do they have limited Memorytransfers to not overload the memorycontroller.
And the most important question over all do this differences matter or is the human in front of the machine the real bottleneck.
I don't need a creator for a task that is done autonomous, this can can done by night, if its done in 3 hours or in two hours doesn't matter, if its not possible to perform due to memory constraints, that does matter.
And its matters if uses double or tripple amount of wattage.
@@tomsun3159 where are you going with this wall of Text?
You should probably add some AM4 CPUs here as well specifically the 5800X3D, 5900X and 5950X. Just to see where current AM4 owners can find the best value and if jumping to AM5 is worth it at the moment.
Yeah, kind of odd that this list skips a good portion of Ryzen 5000 higher end CPU. I'm running a 5950 and would assume it's a tier or so above the 3950.
X670e boards have a limited number of pcie lanes as well. Am4 may be better for more peripherals at the moment.
Thread ripper fixes this issue but $$$.
@@skilletpan5674 I started with a R3 2200G, two years later moved to a R7 3700X with a RX580, and last bump up was two years after that a R9 5950X with a RX6800XT... All on AM4 and still running the same RAM I bought in 2018. Doubled the amount of RAM for 64GB and overclocked it to 3400MHz C14. Still have a full 8x PCIe 4.0 slot open for adding another GPU in a couple years. I should be good on my PC until 2030.
@@peppernickelly yeah nice. I had an i7-3930k that finally died but was starting to get a bit slow. I had to upgrade and I weighed up x670 and x570 and x670 was similar price where I am. So I want r9-7950x and I hope it'll last another 5 to 10 years. I need to upgrade my rx 570 soon.
@@skilletpan5674 Very nice! On GPUs I just check the 4K capabilities, so many of the high end cards are very similar because of bandwidth limits more so than the amount of VRAM and flops. Of course, the $2k cards are a bump up but not worth it unless you're making money on it usually.
Great, very helpful… but what about Ableton Live??? I’m sure music creation is equally important as video and graphics etc. if you could do a film for music folk it might be something… Intel and Ryzen to see what’s joining on in the program… version 12 is out soon.
this is what im talking about theres no information for us out there
@@ownersclosetmaybe theese guys don't have competence for some real cpu tasking 😅
@@ownersclosetmaybe theese guys don't have competence for some real cpu tasking 😅
this is insane. Thank you for your hardwork !!
it is wrong testing, do not believe those results.
Thanks for all the testing
Love this type of content. Thanks!
How about doing a similar performance test for DAW‘s? Then you can build it and send it to me, also a similar test for plugin hosts like Gig Performer or Little Professor ?
Apple destroys everyone.
Agree, he forgot the most challenging task for a cpu, daw mixing.
Awesome video bro !
13:00 a premium offer of the threadripper is supporting ecc memory and its one of the most important advantages over the regular platform. you said it by yourself in the beginning, testing with standard jedec memory profile cuz stability is key.
Bloody hell!!! Thanks man !! You are a life saver..
The 14700K is pretty impressive.
Thanks for doing this. I'm going to be building a new one after 10 years and this video has provided good clarity
Me too. I see that these new ones only support DDR4 or 5. Going from 80GB of DDR3, I wish I could skip the memory upgrade, but, I dont think so. So, it maybe a new 14900K, 128GB ram DDR5 or 4, and a Mobo. BUT...how long before AMD releases their next cpu? And will it be affordable, or $150-250+ more $ ??
@@philindeblanc no idea how much improvement we will be seeing in the new gen. They should be coming out in the middle of this year. Pricing will be interesting considering the current inflationary scenarios.
I dont think I can wait for middle, and I think prices will be too much, so I need a z790 mobo under $350 that has 192gb ram and thunderbolt4 support. @@thedigitallens
The 3D variants of the Ryzen cpus should definitely be considered. Specially the de 7950x3D is a beast performer while being a LOT cooler and efficient. Ideal for ITX builds or anyone who cares about temps and consumption whit out having to underclock manually.
Have a lot of performance issues because cpu scheduling that depends on windows game bar. You dont know what performance you are going to get in an application.
dont buy any other x3d CPU than the 7800x3d. its a waste of money. enabled eco Mode if you are concerned about power draw. no use in spending $200 extra in exchange for a single setting in the BIOS.
CPUs are getting a lot powerful and Applications cant keep up and are not yet fully optimized to take full advantage of all those cores, huge amount of cache, multithreading, ..etc, i would like to see how much power consumption for each CPU in each benchmark
Opposit of gpu
Have a look at gamers nexus or hardware unbowed. They usually have power draw with a bunch of benchmarks. M3 I'm not sure about. I think I saw a benchmark that showed it wasn't as good as some of the ryzen cpus.
This dude deserves a genuine thank you
You take one for the team every time, we appreciate all your work dude!
and what about the power draw during the tests? it's very important these days...
good job man 🔥
Great work! Enjoyed seeing such a thorough review. A little disappointed that so many gens of Intel were present, but no AMD 5000 mainstream chips (5950x, 5900x, 5800x).
so glad there are channel like you doing creator reviews. I see so many people doing for gaming it's just hard to find one with Creator POV
How does these CPU's stack up due to audio recording and music production?
Woulda liked to see the X3D chips represented too, everyone says its not great for production but just how 'not great'?
There's no real point. The 7800x3d gets destroyed by pretty much any 7000 non-x3d cpu. And the 7900x3d is slightly behind the 7900x, sometimes falling under the 7700x. But for the most part sites between the 7900x and the 7700x. The 7950x3d is only beaten out by the 7950x and above. These scores were done by gamers nexus in their productivity testing. So they should show similar performance here.
20:28 why ryzen 5950 x is not included?
too old.
Great video!
I love this channel!
Very useful.
The Apple M3 Pro was a real surprise (as I am into music production, and the single-thread performance is more important, for me, than multi-thread performance).
Been waiting for this. Let’s go!
Excellent video, thank you for your hard work
The power consumption gap between the 7950X and Intel CPUs like the 14900K make the Intel CPUs a lot less appealing for content creation. It's not just the cost of the power to consider, it's the heat, the cooling, and the case ventilation which all need to be considered as well.
I run my 7950x in eco mode - it runs WAY cooler and is only about 5% slower. (I still have a 360 aio, however)
Che k out my Intel vs AMD power consumption video ;)
Yes, AMD is more power efficient at heavy work loads. But Intel is more power efficient at idle and lower loads (which is where most people's computers are sitting at most of the time).
Butt hurt AMD shill :)
Thx for this huge roundup ! I’ve just ordered a TR 7970x , a vray rendering beast best price/performance ratio and best single /multi core performance balance 🤩
would be cool if you had added a few very old processors for reference
As you said, for TR the main problem is that the programs do not recognize so many cores. The other is that it is slightly underclocked compared to RYZEN processors.
But with these processors, two of these tests can be done at the same time without changing the data much, which is already their huge advantage over all the others
for the money you need to spend on threadripper, you can actually buy two other systems, so its the same thing again
@@sgredsch Two desks, two computer cases, two motherboards, two video cards, two power supplies, two mice, two keyboards, optional monitors for any configuration...
Your suggestion seems somewhat illogical to me, provided I can do everything from a single computer system, not a minimum of two!
Try again!
it's pretty impressive how well modern mainstream CPUs are at productivity workloads.
Great video. Thanks for telling me that my 4th Generation Intel doesn't even rate anymore. Back in 2012 it was rated as a 3 or more. Every year there is going to be a leader, more money to spend on the fastest. Like buying a Farrari.
Hey there, nice list and benchmarks, really helpful.
But for Blender benchmarks could you please not do only render tests but the Realtime performance of editing large meshes in blender, subdiv modifiers, modifier stacks, crtl-z performance, etc. Those are the real tests i believe for power users of blender. It would also be great if you could say which hardware part is affected the most in these scenarios.
Thanks and continue the good work!
For most creators, they just need Intel quick-sync, a 13th or 14th gen and a solid 70 series card.
AMD Ryzen cannot compete in the 422 codecs, which is the standard creator codec on consumer cameras.
RADEON gpus are also a no-no, generally having few upsides for most workflows, unless you can’t afford a top NVIDIA gpu
Apple M3 Max can do it all, with a huge pool of RAM too. It just lacks that headroom on the GPU that you can get on 80 and 90 class Nvidia cards, for 8k raw workflows. And it’s also really expensive
Even for raw and compressed mixed workflows, threadripper has terrible price to performance, and you’re giving up quick-sync. So it’s only recommended for RAW-only builds and CPU rendering or compiling
depends on you camera too....intel quick sync doesn't work in 422 10 bits with H264, only H265...and my Panasonic use H264 in 422 10 bits, so quick sync is useless, or I have to reencode all my rush before use them
nice work
Love the work on this. I was wondering if you might do something similar with mini pcs/laptops soon? Got my big rig at home but I could do with something portable to use on location.
These 2024 video content are SAVAGEE!!!
Thanks, love your work!
really wish this included the 7800x3d :(
I switched from Lightroom to Capture One Pro several years ago. I wonder, if C1Pro benefits from multi-core CPUs (I mean TRs).
c1 scales with cores, but i dont know where it stops. i used a 24 thread CPU and c1 was using all 24 threads fully.
@@sgredsch I currently have a 1st gen Threadripper, 16-core 1950X. Indeed, C1 uses all cores. Actually, I do not need an upgrade right now, especially since modern Threadrippers are way more expensive.
@@Skillividden to be honest i think low system latency, high Single core boost and fast ssds will gain you more after already having 16 cores than throwing 32 or 64 high latency low clockspeed cores at the issue.
@@sgredsch Iam using Intel Optane as a primary ssd and 64Gb RAM, so for now I am quite OK with the performance
Very helpful and thanks dude
I love your hardwork. Actually the difference between top 10 CPUs are too much close to each other. In real life, I think it is hard to notice that seconds. Please add current prices to end of the benchmark list to know actually which must be selected. Thanks for all
You're a mad man for testing all the SSDS', GPUs, and CPUs!! Fantastic video as always and thank you for your hard work because i cant imagine the grind for these types of videos 😅
agreed! the associated power bill from producing this video has to be ugly lol
As an i7-14700k owner, I can confirm that this CPU is real monster! I'm full time editor in After Effects and this CPU can handle every single thing I edit 🚀
I've been watching a lot of benchmarks videos I cant find solution to get the best CPU for me i do bit of everything Davinci, fusion, after effects, houdini, redshift and v-ray most of my 3D rendering is GPU Im just looking for something to be great in after effects and davinci and 3D viewports I'm between 14900 or 7950x probably I'll make my decision after the Ryzen 9000 since I heard zen5 will be on a different level of performance
Hello, what did you chose ?
Awesome & Thanks Sir :)
Great effort great data maintaining work as well
Shows commitment towards it
It’s a good mirror to showcase which path to take depending upon the workflow
Great work
Keep it up
I think if you boosted the intel ram to a certain point that allows for it to "stretch their legs" you should have done this for the amd as well. having such a slow clock speed on your amd ram just cuts them down. If you have those specs with what people are recommending at 6000 speeds (6400 something similar) I think a few of these would show more red on top. Thanks for the details though.
Never am I tying up my working PC. Here's my take and a reality check .. If I'm doing a project where a compile time is 30 minutes versus 60 minutes then it's not going to be my only computer. At home I have full use of my office's servers and large projects are compiled there, and if I want something done at home in my home office I have two relatively powerful PCs.
14th gen’s memory controller really does let you get much faster ram speeds
As a Mac user for the last 10 years I’ve been looking for building a pc, not for gaming but for 3d and video production and your videos are a guide in the sea of information that is out there. Thanks a lot man for your amazing work, keep going !!!
Nice to see you're making the switch. Good decision, since Macs are still not up to snuff when it comes to any kind of 3D work.
Thank you very much for the extensive tests. If I can provide a comment, I find this video a bit uncomplete if not even a bit biased toward last intel consumer CPUs. Let me explain.
• Uncomplete because the only metrics you are considering are the benchmark results in consumer contect creation applications. You always put Adobe suites at firsts while the industry use DaVinci, Avid, Blender, Cinema 4D and so on. In the professional content creation industry, almost no one use H.264 and HEVC at production phase. Reference codecs are RED RAW, ProRes, Sony RAW and Blackmagic RAW at resolution way beyond 4K. In this framework Intel Quick Sync is almost useless.
• Moreover, you completely skip PCIe lanes number topic. Intel provide 20 lanes in their consumer platform. This means that you can connect only 1 GPU and 1 M.2 SSD at full speed, all the rest shares bandwidth through the chipset. In the professional content creation segment where you must manage large storage, additional GPU, even acquisition boards, the increased number of PCIe lanes offered by Threadripper or Xeon platform are fundamental.
• Another topic you skip is the memory capacity at full speed. Consumer platforms go at full speed only with 2 memory sticks installed, which translates in 96 GB maximum RAM. Professional CPUs can scale up to 4 TB of full speed RAM and with ECC enabled. In some large projects 96 GB of RAM is simply not enough, and possible memory corruption due to unsupported ECC or even memory overclocking, cannot be tollerated.
• Finally, while at the beginning of video you claim to use standard memory speed, for all platforms, in many tables you include a 14900K configuration with memory overclock. It seems to me an attempt to put an Intel platform on top even where a Threadripper performs normally better.
My next professional content creation platform will be a Threadripper 7970x one with a 4090 GPU.
Why did the 13700k score better then 14700k in davinci resolve?
Do you also have DAW bench?
Why not use faster RAM for the Ryzen systems as well? Recent bios updates mean zen4 supports 7000+mt/s RAM
No
Actually, the new sweet spot is 6400 MT/s with new AGESA bioses, dunno where you got the 7000+ number from.
@@TheUltraMinebox low power DDR.
@@TheUltraMinebox agesa 1007 supports above 7200 mts on zen4, 6400 is only the sweet spot for gaming. For productivity benchmarks where memory bandwidth is important running faster freq RAM could provide much better scores. Plus he's not even running 6000 which the old bios supported, he's running 5200. It's gimped on purpose.
@@asdf_asdf948Doesn't surprise me at all. This guy loves intel and nvidia. The fact that some people are going with THE 14900K over a 7700x blows my mind. The socket is dead, and Ryzen 8000 will launch in Q2 2024, Intel 15th gen will come out around the end of the YEAR. If you're going DDR5 just go Ryzen 7000, get a decent AM5 mobo, and slap on a Zen 5 processor when they launch! You can always sell your old CPU to make up for the purchase. The thing that makes my blood boil is how he says people who render with CPU. Who the hell does that? Most people bought a GPU to render, its in the damn name! GRAPHICS processing unit.
Woha. The best review I have seen of CPUs. Well done. I had decided to get 7950 but now I will give 14900K. Serious look. Use case art programs like Lightroom and Photoshop.
Intel > Amd in math / programming i confirmed
@@sattayakongkom8222 srry I am little confused intel is better than AMD in math and programing ? You mean it can do the arithnethucs faster ? And its better for developers ?
You cannot include the M3 Mac chip as an apples-to-apples comparison. It's not an X86_64 CPU. It uses a proprietary Unix kernel. While it is representative of consistent performance, it's not proper for this chart to base percentages and datapoints.
After all you're testing, what do YOU conclude is the best OVERALL CPU /GPU combination for general computing and games?
6:43
Why not just put in the data for M3?
Thank you very much, can you do benchmarks for SketchUp & Lumion??
Lots of CPU, good testing.
The PC that I currently rock will just be for gaming... My next PC build will be for Houdini Sidefx and monster Threadripper!
It would be great to also see comparison of efficiency (performance per watt). Sometimes (for example, when building small form factor PC) it's better to go with non-K CPU (like 13600 / 14600, or may be even T-version of CPU?) to get much lower TDP/power consumption for a price of a very slight drop of score.
While I understand it takes a lot of time to benchmark for Blender, with multiple passes for each CPU, I think it would've been better just to stick with benchmarking on one version of Blender--that way your data is comparable and not affected by differing performance (Blender 3.6 can have better performance than Blender 4.0)--or just to scrap old data and keeping up to date with the newer versions of Blender. I say this since there is no indication whatsoever which CPUs were benchmarked in what version. Having different scores compared when there could be more than a roughly 5% delta between benchmark scores of different versions may mislead someone who is considering making a purchase. Just a heads up.
Is there any difference in productivity between ryzen 7000 series with x or non x? In my country the non x is cheaper and I will probably get it unless there is a huge difference in productivity.
Nice job but, upfront and yearly operating costs VS per frame or tracking scores are also important even in a small and possibly medium business .
Hi, very nice video. I've few queries: What RAM do you use, in which frequency, 2/4 stick? Please, give details. Also, please do mention that you do RAM OC/XMP? Asking this question as I recently purchased an Asus ProArt z790-creator wifi motherboard. Now looking to buy RAM for 3D & Video editing work.
This channel uses the best music composition I've heard
If you real tested all CPU, It one the most worthful video and time . Thank you
what is your stance on intel now? should i buy or not? is there any way to just punch in some s/n and verifying if the is from a bad batch or are all 13,14 gen 50/50?
What's the best productivity+gaming cpu? Is 7950x3D?
I'd say its the best for both as you can decide what to do with your cores with some tuning. Want to run some physics simulations on blender along with compositing and maybe even programming? You can use process lasso to dedicate the non V-cache cores to take on the faster tasks, and for gaming, you can have the vcache cores take care of any game you throw at them. Best of all is that you could be gaming AND creating at the same time, depending on how you arrange your cores.
i9 13900k
non x3d version of it
LOVE THE VIDEO!!!!! CAN WE HAVE A MOTHER BOARD, CASE AND GPU ROUNDUP AS WELL PLEASE??? ^_^!!
Hello very good comparision!!! i missed the AMD epyc family processors (7773x and 7763 and 7742 and 9654), since the xeons were there also... thanks!!!
Was wondering if I should buy a i5 12600k build or a Ryzen 5 7600x build, didn't expect both of them to be so far behind when using blender, maybe I should save up more money first
Wonderful job. Any chance of testing the new AM5 Epyc cpu's sometime?
There wasn't any of the X3D chips - any chance they might tested any time?
Beautiful work!!
Would love to see how is the best intel mobile cpu 13980hx in comparison with this list of cpus.
Thank you for your hard work.❤
You're welcome 😊
Hi, your results regarding 14700k in Davinci resolve are different from your previous comparison alway based on puget benchmarks. What caused this differences?
Good question, but I would suspect its the memory used.
Thanks, that was fascinating. So my i7-12700 doesn't really need the upgrade I was thinking of doing. 75-80% of most applications is fine for me, especially since I'm not doing video work.
Oh.. was only 3/4 of the way through.. should have watched to the end....
The blender results are kinda useless. Except for very specific use cases, no one renders with their CPU. Something like simulation baking or viewport performance would have been a better test.
U drunk?
Thank you for your hardwork, I think you should include whats the best performance to dollars etc at the end of these videos to give consumers what parts are the best to go for. So like if people are working with 3D workflow, should pair the xxx CPU with the xxx GPU at this amount of $.
That's what the build guides are for in the description below ;)
So do you think as a beginner, 12600k is the sweet spot???
12600K or 13400 is nice
Could you PLEASE test any laptop with the new intel core ultra vs something like the MacBook m1 pro 16 inch? They usually come close in price for new conditions. And I'm also wondering what premiere pro and battery life compares now with the new intel chip 🙏🙏
The ultra still not a competitor with m3 chip. But, more efficient than before due to the new Intel 7nm foundation.
@@varunvunnikrishnan4054 I said m1... M3 is too expensive anyways
@@bruh-qi7ue Is M1 still exists in market?
@@varunvunnikrishnan4054 There's still some brand news on cex or ebay
Did you used any gpu
Would be great if you could make a video on the Intel sync. Why ist better to have, how to activated, how it works, how it merge with a Nvidia GPU, etc
ok,,, I found your video explaining this,,,, thanks
Comparing the Threadripper 7980x with mainstream CPUs for Blender is just like Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
you should of had composite scores combining all the benchmarks and then a best overall value chip based on price/perf ratios - maybe you can do a followup - zen5 will likely make a splash and then x3d zen5 will do even better - zen5 is probably best forward guidance for prospective creators
He does a "Best Bang for Your Buck* pc build for different work flows. So that takes into account all the peripheral components as well. I think that might be more helpful overall. I think its safe to say from the video, the 14900K with 6400mts is the overall winner. The Thread rippers at the end take huge deltas for 3D rendering so their placement in a statistical curve would be massively augmented by that. Most of the other CPU's followed somewhat similar paths through the testing.
i was wondering to buy an 14600k and now im impressed by the price and results! thanks for the video
Does setting core affinity to a lower core count resolve issues of having too many cores like with TR and in the Pugetbench @7:52?
question from someone who has never had a dedicated gpu, just the intel integrated one. lightroom is a cpu bound software. what kind of performance boost would it have if you add in a dedicated gpu? please use terms that normal people can understand, im kinda dumdum.. thankyou ^_^
Why was i9 12900 (non k) twice on the blender benchmark list? #20 and #30.
Were they tested twice? 🤔
Just trying to figure out which of these is best for music production
I would've liked to see the Threadripper Pro 5955WX in this benchmark since it's the one closest in price to the rest of them.
Does the tracking score is Timeline ?
Suggest a processor for installation that would do good rendering work and not feel laggy (I don't want the best, but I also don't want it to not work with shake, twixtor pro and other special effects), I'll wait for your answer
I5 12600K or 13600K is sufficient, if you have more budget, go with i7
Threadripper pro 7995wx?
What processor,mother board, gpu, ram you will recommend for Agisoft metashape and pix4d mapper?
Waiting for your reply
The top-rated CPUs expected to be released in 2024 are AMD's Zen 5 architecture (8000 series CPUs) and Intel's 15th generation CPUs known as Arrow Lake.
14900k has such poor price to performance against 14700k. It’s only about 5% faster in the adobe apps, for a 40% higher price!
Should I go with ryzen 5 7600x or i5 12600k for video editing and 3d mainly after effects