It’s an interesting concept. I wonder what they have planned for charged battery prices and what kind of incentive you get if you trade half charged for a full charged etc; depending on time of day and electrical prices. Combine this with solar to offset the costs of maintaining a charge at the station and running and the robotics and there is a lot of room for growth but expensive. Not too mention you have to distribute batteries to each location until you get a predictable number to maintain inventory.
Now imagine all the dust and dirt coming off the underbody of a car and into the crevices of all that moving machinery.. More moving parts= more maintenance.
And sell cars without battery. That is the 3rd of the cost to reduce for the buyer. Lower car cost and rent the battery. The battery swapping stations become the new pumping stations. Rent battery and pay for electricity
making batteries with standard form factor. every EV car should have two batteries; a standard battery and a backup battery. the car comes to consumer with backup battery only and consumer to register his car with swapping station (which is combined with gas station, so make popular and available everywhere). when the main battery run out of power, the car will run on backup battery to the swapping station. backup battery can be charged at home or by the main battery.
Exactly. Besides the convenience for the user, it will force every car manufacturer to agree on a standard for car batteries, which also allows for 3rd party manufacturers to produce batteries for all car models increasing competition and reducing costs for everyone. Finally, it allows for battery renting companies to efficiently charge storage and dispose batteries reducing waste. It seems only the current car manufacturers are lobbying against it out of pure greed (vendor lock in and so on). Don't buy electric cars until they implement a decent swappable battery solution!
Yes, but now the cost of the battery is on the campany, which stop them from doing it, they want to sell as many car as they can since the part most likely to die is battery
@@mrandersson2009 no, this kind of thing will stifle innovation in battery technology. Forcing cars to have some universal pack size will increase weight, reduce efficiency of heating, cooling, charging, structural integrity, ect. But hey, you get to pay the company for all these stations and extra battery packs that sit around, hopefully you don't have a garage or driveway with a power outlet, otherwise you'd be paying for something youd almost never use.
Yea the hell right. Imagine getting a gm made battery in your car. Your car would be at risk of a fire. I'll pass. Let each company make their own batteries. Some do it better than others
In 10 years time you ll need just 5 min at supercharger to get 80% of the total charge. But yeah in the meantime this looks good and probably in 10 years time NIO could improve this and it might b take only 30 seconds for swapping
look great. this process can be even faster than gas refueling, while having equal or even longer range than ICEs. hope ppl will make some standard to adopt widely soon.
Exactly! Tesla owners are stuck with 1 (one) Battery for life! In 2 years their Battery Will eventually.. Become their Android powerbank on Wheels. NIO IS THE EV FUTURE 👽
And NIO drivers are stuck paying for all the extra batteries needed for these swapping stations while Tesla drivers have their million mile battery packs 😳 But yeah I guess in 20 years when they might need a new battery (maybe) it'll cost them 7 grand for a new pack.
IIRC Tesla batteries lose like 10% of their capacity on 200k kilometeres? Seems fine. NIOs ssystem takes a lot of infrastructure thats probably propriotary; dont think this will work till theres battery-standards for electric cars.
What is the status of the battery ownership? What if the battery breaks or malfunction, let say one hour after the swap? Who is responsible for the repair?
I guess battery is as service…you don’t need pay battery when you buy the car, but pay service fee every month. The service includes the free swap service for some times.
The advantage of swapping is 1. It takes no more than 2 minutes 2. The power loss in the system is reduced 3. The problem of battery deterioration is eliminated. But exorbitant investment and battery charging competitors still dominate the market.
1. it takes over 5 minutes 2. power loss reduced ? can you elaborate ? because i dont see how. 3. there is no difference in renting the battery that is permanent in place in a car. 4. just like you stated, for every charging station you need like 5 up to 20? batteries in stock on top of a battery in every car out there, this is not a smart buisiness model. you'd be better off leasing an electric vehicle than just leasing a battery with this un-economical and un-profitable system of battery swapping, it works for scooters and phones and what not but cars ? bad idea
This is the right way to go. Charging batteries during journeys is never going to be viable for the time involved. This should become standard for all electric vehicle manufacturers. Battery specs and interfaces need to get standardized across the industry as well.
And now someone has a really dirty car and the screws don't fit anymore/get stuck and you are stranded alone with a car with battery stuck in a machine somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
You can rent those batteries and if you think the Max capacity dropped hard you HAVE the RIGHT to swap the battery to get a new. I think you wouldn’t go to these stations if you BUY your battery instead of renting? 🤷🏻♂️
@@DeeKay1911 They have engineered a power cloud ecosystem to monitor every single battery, even when it's in a car. Any little fault is detected immediately and a swap is done in 3 minutes.
+J G The Tesla Model S and X were designed from the start for battery swapping (not the Model 3 or the first Roadster). It was implemented at one SuperCharger location in California but they did it because hydrogen cars were getting double zero emission credits because of their short refuelling times so they publicly demonstrated that a Tesla could (via battery swapping) achieve even shorter times. By this stage Tesla had turned away from battery swapping (but their cars still had the capability). To get a battery swapped you had to book days ahead and eventually return for your original (now charged) battery to be re-installed in your Tesla. You had to pay for this service, not expensive but a lot dearer than using a SuperCharger that was literally next door which you did not have to book ahead to use (but the actual battery swap was quicker). The process was slowed a little by the need to remove some protection plates that were not in the original Model S design but had been added after a couple of cars had their batteries penetrated by tow hitches and the like resulting in slow destruction of those vehicles by fire.
I'm sure they will have some type of plate or cover.What would be the difference of taking out the bottom engine cover and doing a oil change then putting it back on. Same concept . cmon man
Looks cool but what if it's raining? Snowing? Plus wear and tear of all those bolts going in and out everyday. Why can't they just make a battery rod/tube that you can take in and out. Like in demolition man.
How to park exactly above the screw changers ? Idea is cool but not going to work due to high cost of expanding the stations. It's an alternative for people in urgency who don't have time for 10 minute toilet break.
NIO cars are being driven in-out of battery stations by NIO employees. In a post COVID-19 world, I would not want strangers to touch the interior of my car.
@Martin The battery is robotically swapped, but in the various videos circulating the web I see NIO employees driving the EV cars into the battery swapping station. With 1000 km batteries around the corner, battery swapping will be obsolete soon, as it is not a scalable solution. Sandy Munro (check his TH-cam channel) is against battery swapping as moving parts are prone to failures. By the way, I have placed an order for a ZEEKR 001, air suspension, 4WD, 600 NEDC range etc for 362K RMB
What do the threads look like after screwing and unscrewing the batteries 500 times, with mud, grease and salt coming down from the bottom of the vehicle
I could be wrong, but it’s probably a pretty easy fix to put in four new bolts. Btw… did you take time to do the math at six battery changes/month? I’ll help you…. 6x12=72 changes/year. 500/72=6.9 years. Can you afford 4 new bolts every 7years? IMHO.. this isn’t an issue.
I hope I can mostly recharge with the nozzle/cable and only need the battery swapped on damaged/warn out batteries.. if that's how it works than it's definitely a Tesla killer by design alone!
@@ElSarto_ESP I did come across another similar clip that timed the process at about 5min, which is also good & not much different from gassing up, give or take the car's tank & how much gas to begin with beforehand. For EV'S to really take off here in The States, we'll need as many of these stations as gas itself. 1 crazy idea...offer such alongside gas stations.
@@noahpartic7586 still acceptable. Like, imagine you are in a road trip and you have to recharge. How much waiting would you consider to be acceptable and non frustrating or boring? I would say that anything under 30 mins could be good enough, so this looks fantastic
@@davidjames3269 This is China, not a terrorist nation like the US where they practice organ harvesting and keep religious prisoners. Go to the US to get some kidneys.
Service stations have trouble keeping the little squeegee containers full of water, Can you imagine them trying to maintain these. Cool idea but we're not there yet!
Nio unveiled its Power Swap battery-swapping system in 2017, and opened the first public station in the Chinese city of Shenzen on May 20, 2018. In a press release, the automaker said had 131 stations in operation across 58 Chinese cities as of May 20, 2020.Jun 3, 2020
@@jzvr5842 No they do not have 500,000 stations. They have "completed 500,000 battery swaps in its home market as of May 26, just over two years after the first battery-swap station opened.". Seems you need a class in reading comprehension...
Imagine a line of NIO cars waiting for this station to get fixed on a daily based cause all those little screws are still cheap Chinese made. Tesla might be old school but solid overall
I don’t care about the screws and nuts being used. Im more worried about the cost of these refuel stations, compared to the cost of putting a little plug in charger. I’m imagining giant stations to store all those batteries. Land is NOT cheap, especially outside of China. I simply can’t see how this is more efficient than building a better battery. Eventually there will be better batteries, then Nio will be stuck with giant stations while their competitors bet on batteries improving
Это,тупо,от нехуй деньги куда вложить.Себестоимость там нулевая будет,если,не в минус..мало того,что этот конвейер будет работать на электричестве,ЕГО ЭНЕРГИЮ,будут разрабатывать шахтеры в шахтах,ну или Русский газ по трубам поможет.А иначе,это бред.Но,тачка крутая,кстати,Китай молодцы.Ну,впрочем,с трудоустройством проблем не будет,это плюс.С другой стороны,это тупиковая энергетика.
Better Place 2.0? NIO's attempt to cater to a niche? Or become a game-changer? Success depends on economy of scale, and EoS depends on acceptance (not only by consumers) and becoming some sort of industry standard (acceptance by other OEMs). It is THAT simple.
Jason, we're nowhere near there yet - it takes only about 2-3 minutes to fill up all 22 gallons of my supersized gas guzzler V12 BMW, meanwhile a Tesla supercharger barely tops of a partial charge in 30 minutes. The battery swap also adds the benefit of never having battery deterioration or failures as the cars age.
@@YOLOnyc im not against an easily swappable battery, but you have to admit that charge times are improving at an incredible rate lately. Porsche and BMW 15 min for 80 percent, and although it sounds unbelievable, Fisker claims less than one minute for 500 miles of range.
Jason schmidt I know you cannot disagree with me, that the main component and the most valuable asset in future electric battery vehicles will be BATTERIES. Therefore NIO is way better positioned for the customer, where the manufacturer guarantees absolute no worries about those batteries. So basically, the assets that you are paying for when you buy NIO are the vehicle and a lifetime ownership of any working battery that fits your vehicle with life-time free to charge and maintenance service. How about that? So, it means that you can keep your car as long as you like how it performs overall excluding that fact that you will need to replace the battery or buy another car because of it (it is the main valuable part in the whole car concept asset).
Hay que ver si esto es viable económicamente, y hacer planes de donde colocarlo en grandes ciudades o en rutas muy transitadas a mitad del camino para hacer el cambio y seguir con el viaje. Todo esto con criterios capitalistas que hagan que económicamente sea viable para la empresa y que satisfaga las necesidades del cliente. Haría falta ver los numeros cuales son???
Bueno, ya Nio tiene de éstas estaciones en China y en Europa y según ellos es viable económicamente hablando. El punto es que esto es más para conveniencia de los conductores de distancias largas, ellos saben que el conductor promedio de ciudad carga sus vehículos en la casa o trabajo como de costumbre. Ahí es donde está la ventaja de este sistema.
5yr l8r , i will love to see that car go inside alone swap battery and park outside while i go on toilet and buyin coffe in nearby shop, i believe it is possibile in small controled area
plz comment...BATTERY SWAPS PER DAY PER STATION Now each battery swap takes 7 minutes [see you tube actual video Xi'an Diaries Vlog ] 60/7 per hour = 8.5 batteries per hour Lets assume 6 am to 10 pm or 16 hours per day 16 hours x 8.5 swaps per hour = 136 batteries swapped per day per battery station Now there are 131 stations so 131 x 136 total swaps per day =max 17,816 cars for all the stations per day but there are 51,000 cars on the road. 51000/17000=3. This means that cars cannot be charged more than every 3 days. If they make more than 51,000 cars with the same number of batteries, then you can only charge >3 days If the battery robots break down easily then you can only charge >3 days or if more than 13 cars need charging at a time, then you have to wait while the 13 charge station batteries recharge if 13 x 100 kw, then if all 13 batteries charge at the same time, the station needs 1.3 megawatts at a time. Note that fully charged tried it out. They were 2nd in the queue and the batteries were all empty of charge, so they came back in an hour and were able to swap their battery.
Stop saying is too much while you haven’t compared with gasoline V8 consumption. For a company that’ll push this ahead has to make it cheaper to get costumers.. wale would be heavy investment with cheap return
I also thought this battery exchange station looks expensive. 1) It takes up a lot of space on the ground for only 1 car (but maybe there are more "garages" for more cars that can be added next to the first garage ) 2) Having the robotics/track underground seems expensive and maybe even unnecessary. I wonder if it should, instead, have a higher platform for the cars to sit on and only require above-ground equipment to save cost and make construction simpler.
You don't NEED to use the swap station.. you could also just charge your car at home/work.. the swap station is there in a pinch.. it's a perfect idea.
@@MindofMatter Most NIO battery stations that have been deployed in China are above ground as you describe. Swapping may take slightly longer as shown in this simulation.
I'm not complaining, it's good if you're buying - I've just put in a limit order to buy some NIO stock tomorrow (if it executes.) The high volatility is good for making a quick buck, Tesla is more predictable for going long IMO.
Its a ok consept at best. Batteryswaps was also tried over at Tesla a while back. They either couldn't make it work good enough, or they decided it wasn't worth it. They have more experince than NIO. Besides, batteryswaps make for a very rigid designarcitecture. It's wishful thinking that NIO get the battery right the first time around. So what happens when they want to change the design? do they have to make new swap stations? How expenive is such a station? If lots of people owns NIOs, are there going to be lines for swaping batteries? What about differenet models of car? Does it work with every NIO? How many moving complex precision parts are there? What if something fails? I get why it seems like a good idea to do this. But i don't think this will work. If it does, we wont see it untill NIO is properly established. Maybe between 5/10 years depending on how well they do.
@@DavidGonzalez-ff6yk never said china is any worse. What i am saying is that other companies with longer experience have tried, and paused or quit the project. I think my questions are justified
It's a good idea. I also feel like it invites a very dirty scam were somebody can swap poor quality battery's by setting up fake terminals. I don't encourage this, just an observation
This isn't the solution faster charging is the solution. Technology will be good enough to charge a battery to half charge in 5-10mins thats much more cost efficient than this
Unfortunately, fast charging, no matter how improved the technology gets, will always wear out the batteries faster. Lithium ion batteries deteriorate when they get hot, that's why owner's manuals tell you to slow charge whenever possible. This is a much better solution IMO-- the batteries can slow charge without getting really hot and without the huuuge rush of current from fast charging.
No way this is practical. The idea of battery swaps are but imagine the investment of a system like this. Tesla did it right with the infrastructure. I think soon you will see battery swaps from home. It will become as common as changing out a battery on tool. The swaps are a good idea but the size and implementation of a system such as this is kind of comical.
There r already 200 swap stations in china, and until end of this year 500. So it is practical in China but not in europe and america. Everything is possible in China.
@@heihei1576 as you said it’s possible and a nice option to have. It creates alternative approaches to living with an electric vehicle. However, as time moves on and we see the benefits of the cells being integrated into the architecture of the vehicle itself it might be less appealing but nonetheless still useful for many people.
@@andreavenaa i cant even imagine A) the cost of power to run a station with basically robotics systems. B) The inefficiency of swapping out batteries of that size and C) the components maintenance of such systems. If it were like swapping a powertool thats one thing but to have stations with robotics systems that essentially use energy to run those systems and requires serious engineering and maintenance, it comical.
@@heihei1576 and no way a system like that is practical. Whether in china or europe or anywhere 😂 wireless charging stations. Thats the future. The consolidation of system that requires less maintenance and less energy to run those stations. Thats the future.
I think its dumb. People are horrible drivers and are dumb. 30% of these batteries will be damaged by curbs, rocks, small crashes and this machine will therefore work poorly.
THIS will never happen, because it would mean every car has the same Battery format. That way Companies couldn't advert with huge batteries. And every Company wants it's own charger Port.... Sounds great, will never happen outside of China / Japan.
While I love the idea of having EVs for most daily tasks, There is so much wrong with everything surrounding EVs that we the people are not being told. But yet EVs have become the only alternative option to gas and everyone pushing them want no debate what so ever. Which should tell you that we are being scammed.
It’s an interesting concept. I wonder what they have planned for charged battery prices and what kind of incentive you get if you trade half charged for a full charged etc; depending on time of day and electrical prices. Combine this with solar to offset the costs of maintaining a charge at the station and running and the robotics and there is a lot of room for growth but expensive. Not too mention you have to distribute batteries to each location until you get a predictable number to maintain inventory.
Some TH-cam guy said it was around 8 pounds for the whole thing.
In Norway, the monthly price for BaaS is about 130€, or 10€ per swap + 0,20€ per kWh.
Now imagine all the dust and dirt coming off the underbody of a car and into the crevices of all that moving machinery..
More moving parts= more maintenance.
I bought this car yesterday and it's really cool to drive
Enjoy!
the best purchase you could make, enjoy it
How muck was the retail price?
And sell cars without battery. That is the 3rd of the cost to reduce for the buyer.
Lower car cost and rent the battery. The battery swapping stations become the new pumping stations. Rent battery and pay for electricity
making batteries with standard form factor. every EV car should have two batteries; a standard battery and a backup battery. the car comes to consumer with backup battery only and consumer to register his car with swapping station (which is combined with gas station, so make popular and available everywhere). when the main battery run out of power, the car will run on backup battery to the swapping station. backup battery can be charged at home or by the main battery.
If they would store much more batteries (say, about 50), then they could load them slowly over night and wouldn't need that much megawatts of power .
@@spyro440 megawatts or kilowatts?
Think of it as a maintenance cost with a free tank of electricity.
One year later they did it with BaaS
This is exactly what I had thought of as a way forward in 2015. Glad other companies thought the same.
THAT's the way it should be.
Exactly. Besides the convenience for the user, it will force every car manufacturer to agree on a standard for car batteries, which also allows for 3rd party manufacturers to produce batteries for all car models increasing competition and reducing costs for everyone. Finally, it allows for battery renting companies to efficiently charge storage and dispose batteries reducing waste.
It seems only the current car manufacturers are lobbying against it out of pure greed (vendor lock in and so on). Don't buy electric cars until they implement a decent swappable battery solution!
Yes, but now the cost of the battery is on the campany, which stop them from doing it, they want to sell as many car as they can since the part most likely to die is battery
@@mrandersson2009 no, this kind of thing will stifle innovation in battery technology. Forcing cars to have some universal pack size will increase weight, reduce efficiency of heating, cooling, charging, structural integrity, ect.
But hey, you get to pay the company for all these stations and extra battery packs that sit around, hopefully you don't have a garage or driveway with a power outlet, otherwise you'd be paying for something youd almost never use.
@@HavokBWR tHINK THE OPPOSITE: Competition for better and more durable, extended autonomy batteries will be enhanced
Yea the hell right. Imagine getting a gm made battery in your car. Your car would be at risk of a fire. I'll pass. Let each company make their own batteries. Some do it better than others
Imagine a Tesla driver watching this video while waiting at supercharger...
In 10 years time you ll need just 5 min at supercharger to get 80% of the total charge. But yeah in the meantime this looks good and probably in 10 years time NIO could improve this and it might b take only 30 seconds for swapping
Tesla already have battery swap technology but they think battery swaping is inefficient in battery managing
@@maxizakkim3464 Tesla probably is wrong
@@Angelchildxx last year the NIO car use a 70kw battery and this year could swap into a 100kw battery.
@@Angelchildxx you think that supercharger is going easy on that battery? NOPE it WILL need a SWAP,,,,EVERY BATTERY....
I wonder if the battery exchange process still works if there is no music accompaniment?
😂😂😂no music no battery
Very Iron Man suit-up sequence inspired especially with that music.
im glad that im one of the NIO drivers😊
多少钱
Posted in 2017. End of this year they have production capacity of 600k vehicles that support this swap mechanism. Insane. 🤯
source please
look great. this process can be even faster than gas refueling, while having equal or even longer range than ICEs. hope ppl will make some standard to adopt widely soon.
Exactly! Tesla owners are stuck with 1 (one) Battery for life!
In 2 years their Battery Will eventually.. Become their Android powerbank on Wheels.
NIO IS THE EV FUTURE 👽
And NIO drivers are stuck paying for all the extra batteries needed for these swapping stations while Tesla drivers have their million mile battery packs 😳
But yeah I guess in 20 years when they might need a new battery (maybe) it'll cost them 7 grand for a new pack.
IIRC Tesla batteries lose like 10% of their capacity on 200k kilometeres? Seems fine.
NIOs ssystem takes a lot of infrastructure thats probably propriotary; dont think this will work till theres battery-standards for electric cars.
What is the status of the battery ownership? What if the battery breaks or malfunction, let say one hour after the swap? Who is responsible for the repair?
I guess battery is as service…you don’t need pay battery when you buy the car, but pay service fee every month. The service includes the free swap service for some times.
This is the solution , amazing technology
Go Nio!!!!!
Epic presentation!!!
Amazing car, Amazing company hoping to soon. ET7
Mind is blown. While our Indian car makers are still debating this offering for Electric Cars, Chinese have already have this in production!
The advantage of swapping is 1. It takes no more than 2 minutes 2. The power loss in the system is reduced 3. The problem of battery deterioration is eliminated. But exorbitant investment and battery charging competitors still dominate the market.
1. it takes over 5 minutes
2. power loss reduced ? can you elaborate ? because i dont see how.
3. there is no difference in renting the battery that is permanent in place in a car.
4. just like you stated, for every charging station you need like 5 up to 20? batteries in stock on top of a battery in every car out there, this is not a smart buisiness model.
you'd be better off leasing an electric vehicle than just leasing a battery with this un-economical and un-profitable system of battery swapping, it works for scooters and phones and what not but cars ? bad idea
This is the right way to go. Charging batteries during journeys is never going to be viable for the time involved. This should become standard for all electric vehicle manufacturers. Battery specs and interfaces need to get standardized across the industry as well.
And now someone has a really dirty car and the screws don't fit anymore/get stuck and you are stranded alone with a car with battery stuck in a machine somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
Or you swap and get an older and more worn out battery pack than your own - A concept with a lot of unknown
Hahaha
You can rent those batteries and if you think the Max capacity dropped hard you HAVE the RIGHT to swap the battery to get a new. I think you wouldn’t go to these stations if you BUY your battery instead of renting? 🤷🏻♂️
@@DeeKay1911 They have engineered a power cloud ecosystem to monitor every single battery, even when it's in a car. Any little fault is detected immediately and a swap is done in 3 minutes.
the cons is, battery swapping stations are very expensive to build..
And maintain and uses a crap ton of power to run those systems. I wouldnt invest in this tech. Its comical
NICE! Better then Tesla.
+J G The Tesla Model S and X were designed from the start for battery swapping (not the Model 3 or the first Roadster). It was implemented at one SuperCharger location in California but they did it because hydrogen cars were getting double zero emission credits because of their short refuelling times so they publicly demonstrated that a Tesla could (via battery swapping) achieve even shorter times. By this stage Tesla had turned away from battery swapping (but their cars still had the capability). To get a battery swapped you had to book days ahead and eventually return for your original (now charged) battery to be re-installed in your Tesla. You had to pay for this service, not expensive but a lot dearer than using a SuperCharger that was literally next door which you did not have to book ahead to use (but the actual battery swap was quicker). The process was slowed a little by the need to remove some protection plates that were not in the original Model S design but had been added after a couple of cars had their batteries penetrated by tow hitches and the like resulting in slow destruction of those vehicles by fire.
Looks expensive! ...what about back east, where the bottom of our cars are covered with gobs of road salt?
Skid plate made of aluminum would be ideal lightweight and corrosive resistant
China has plenty of cold places too and Nio is doing just fine.
I'm sure they will have some type of plate or cover.What would be the difference of taking out the bottom engine cover and doing a oil change then putting it back on. Same concept . cmon man
А как поповоду выработки резбы ?
Потом дороже выйдет, замена всей системы закрепления батареи нужно будет менять
думаю робот делает это максимально аккуратно
Me gustaría trabajar en este proyecto si llegarán a manufacturar en México 🙋🏻♂️
How is this environmental and efficient?
Its not. Like at all
Looks cool but what if it's raining? Snowing? Plus wear and tear of all those bolts going in and out everyday. Why can't they just make a battery rod/tube that you can take in and out. Like in demolition man.
China has plenty of snowy places and these stations are working fine, 500,000 stations already in China.
How to park exactly above the screw changers ? Idea is cool but not going to work due to high cost of expanding the stations. It's an alternative for people in urgency who don't have time for 10 minute toilet break.
China already have this station in reality.
NIO cars are being driven in-out of battery stations by NIO employees. In a post COVID-19 world, I would not want strangers to touch the interior of my car.
@Martin The battery is robotically swapped, but in the various videos circulating the web I see NIO employees driving the EV cars into the battery swapping station. With 1000 km batteries around the corner, battery swapping will be obsolete soon, as it is not a scalable solution. Sandy Munro (check his TH-cam channel) is against battery swapping as moving parts are prone to failures. By the way, I have placed an order for a ZEEKR 001, air suspension, 4WD, 600 NEDC range etc for 362K RMB
What do the threads look like after screwing and unscrewing the batteries 500 times, with mud, grease and salt coming down from the bottom of the vehicle
I could be wrong, but it’s probably a pretty easy fix to put in four new bolts. Btw… did you take time to do the math at six battery changes/month? I’ll help you…. 6x12=72 changes/year. 500/72=6.9 years. Can you afford 4 new bolts every 7years? IMHO.. this isn’t an issue.
Think of it as a maintenance cost with a free tank of electricity whenever you pull into a station!
Think of it as you paying for a portion of everyone else's gas tank on the road.
I hope I can mostly recharge with the nozzle/cable and only need the battery swapped on damaged/warn out batteries.. if that's how it works than it's definitely a Tesla killer by design alone!
I believe the battery swap is designed to avoid charge times and range anxiety. Pull into a station, swap batteries, keep driving
Yes, they provide nozzle as well. Besides nozzle and swap station, they also provide emergency service with charging vents and home delivery service.
@@karlbudde5906 , yes, let the professionals do the job. as a consumer, we just pay and drive
@@SteelBird1000 Just like with normal cars huh, fucking brainlet
CLEVER....NIO stock will be available via it's IPO soon. Watch out Tesla!
Booom
I've just put in a limit order to buy some tomorrow, hoping it will execute the order!
In real life the car is not so clean, and the bottom of the battery is very dirty. And what about the Colling loop?
It looks good, but how long does such a change take in real-time?
I heard that under 3 mins
@@ElSarto_ESP I did come across another similar clip that timed the process at about 5min, which is also good & not much different from gassing up, give or take the car's tank & how much gas to begin with beforehand.
For EV'S to really take off here in The States, we'll need as many of these stations as gas itself.
1 crazy idea...offer such alongside gas stations.
@@noahpartic7586 still acceptable. Like, imagine you are in a road trip and you have to recharge. How much waiting would you consider to be acceptable and non frustrating or boring? I would say that anything under 30 mins could be good enough, so this looks fantastic
@@ElSarto_ESP 1 agree 100%.
It wouldn't hurt to have a cafe there to get a bite to eat if need be, which some gas stations do anyway.
Supper 👏👏👍😍❤️❤️
There it’s not a Chinese here to tell us How much this cost there and the Time frame of Swapping?
Free and a swap is under 5 min.
It is free.
wASH CAR THEN CHAnge battery snow ice perhaps rocks sand??
Exactly, some battery packs may be quite dirty, if cars have been driven in bad weather, especially mud!
@@Spreadsheet1com China has plenty of snowy places and these stations are working fine, 500,000 stations already in China.
So damn nice, China makes the best stuff.
Yeah , while your at it order a human Kidney from a forced donor from a religious prisoner .
@@davidjames3269 This is China, not a terrorist nation like the US where they practice organ harvesting and keep religious prisoners. Go to the US to get some kidneys.
Service stations have trouble keeping the little squeegee containers full of water, Can you imagine them trying to maintain these. Cool idea but we're not there yet!
Nio already has 500,000 of these stations in China, clearly we're already there, at least China is.
Nio unveiled its Power Swap battery-swapping system in 2017, and opened the first public station in the Chinese city of Shenzen on May 20, 2018. In a press release, the automaker said had 131 stations in operation across 58 Chinese cities as of May 20, 2020.Jun 3, 2020
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No they do not have 500,000 stations.
They have "completed 500,000 battery swaps in its home market as of May 26, just over two years after the first battery-swap station opened.".
Seems you need a class in reading comprehension...
Молодцы, Китай в переди планеты всей.
И при этом не ломай голову что рано или поздно деградирует батарея
This needs to be done every time the battery is almost dead? Come on...no way!
Imagine a line of NIO cars waiting for this station to get fixed on a daily based cause all those little screws are still cheap Chinese made. Tesla might be old school but solid overall
I don’t care about the screws and nuts being used. Im more worried about the cost of these refuel stations, compared to the cost of putting a little plug in charger. I’m imagining giant stations to store all those batteries. Land is NOT cheap, especially outside of China. I simply can’t see how this is more efficient than building a better battery. Eventually there will be better batteries, then Nio will be stuck with giant stations while their competitors bet on batteries improving
They actually engineered 2 years on the screws. It's probably the most iterated bolt ever existed. Do your homework mate.
the very best for swap battery for real life
Это,тупо,от нехуй деньги куда вложить.Себестоимость там нулевая будет,если,не в минус..мало того,что этот конвейер будет работать на электричестве,ЕГО ЭНЕРГИЮ,будут разрабатывать шахтеры в шахтах,ну или Русский газ по трубам поможет.А иначе,это бред.Но,тачка крутая,кстати,Китай молодцы.Ну,впрочем,с трудоустройством проблем не будет,это плюс.С другой стороны,это тупиковая энергетика.
Скажите, пожалуйста, почему тупиковая энергетика? Вы имеете ввиду батареи или...? Просто второй раз такое мнение слышу, интересно.
Better Place 2.0? NIO's attempt to cater to a niche? Or become a game-changer? Success depends on economy of scale, and EoS depends on acceptance (not only by consumers) and becoming some sort of industry standard (acceptance by other OEMs). It is THAT simple.
Anyone can make a simulation. Does this actually exist and work?
@@ericbian7920 nice! Is there a video somewhere?
@@f270 😂You can find tons of real car now in China
@@garyz2407 no need to go to China, you can find tons of real videos on TH-cam :P
@@f270 Tons of videos on TH-cam, Nio has 500,000 of these stations in China.
Yes. almost 800 stations. 4000 globally by end of 2025.
Cool idea, but it's too complex. And charge times are getting so low, that its unnecessary.
Jason, we're nowhere near there yet - it takes only about 2-3 minutes to fill up all 22 gallons of my supersized gas guzzler V12 BMW, meanwhile a Tesla supercharger barely tops of a partial charge in 30 minutes. The battery swap also adds the benefit of never having battery deterioration or failures as the cars age.
@@YOLOnyc im not against an easily swappable battery, but you have to admit that charge times are improving at an incredible rate lately. Porsche and BMW 15 min for 80 percent, and although it sounds unbelievable, Fisker claims less than one minute for 500 miles of range.
Jason schmidt I know you cannot disagree with me, that the main component and the most valuable asset in future electric battery vehicles will be BATTERIES. Therefore NIO is way better positioned for the customer, where the manufacturer guarantees absolute no worries about those batteries. So basically, the assets that you are paying for when you buy NIO are the vehicle and a lifetime ownership of any working battery that fits your vehicle with life-time free to charge and maintenance service. How about that?
So, it means that you can keep your car as long as you like how it performs overall excluding that fact that you will need to replace the battery or buy another car because of it (it is the main valuable part in the whole car concept asset).
@Haha MissMiss lookup 350kwh ultra dc fast charging. These stations are already being built.
I don't see, why this should be too complex for 2019...?
Taxi in thai can low price maybe battery strong
Fuck ya NIO i fing love you !
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Technology like this with no comment?
Are YoU ready Mask.....?
Hay que ver si esto es viable económicamente, y hacer planes de donde colocarlo en grandes ciudades o en rutas muy transitadas a mitad del camino para hacer el cambio y seguir con el viaje. Todo esto con criterios capitalistas que hagan que económicamente sea viable para la empresa y que satisfaga las necesidades del cliente. Haría falta ver los numeros cuales son???
Bueno, ya Nio tiene de éstas estaciones en China y en Europa y según ellos es viable económicamente hablando. El punto es que esto es más para conveniencia de los conductores de distancias largas, ellos saben que el conductor promedio de ciudad carga sus vehículos en la casa o trabajo como de costumbre. Ahí es donde está la ventaja de este sistema.
5yr l8r , i will love to see that car go inside alone swap battery and park outside while i go on toilet and buyin coffe in nearby shop, i believe it is possibile in small controled area
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plz comment...BATTERY SWAPS PER DAY PER STATION
Now each battery swap takes 7 minutes [see you tube actual video Xi'an Diaries Vlog ]
60/7 per hour = 8.5 batteries per hour
Lets assume 6 am to 10 pm or 16 hours per day
16 hours x 8.5 swaps per hour = 136 batteries swapped per day per battery station
Now there are 131 stations so 131 x 136 total swaps per day
=max 17,816 cars for all the stations per day
but there are 51,000 cars on the road.
51000/17000=3.
This means that cars cannot be charged more than every 3 days.
If they make more than 51,000 cars with the same number of batteries,
then you can only charge >3 days
If the battery robots break down easily then you can only charge >3 days
or if more than 13 cars need charging at a time,
then you have to wait while the 13 charge station batteries recharge
if 13 x 100 kw, then if all 13 batteries charge at the same time,
the station needs 1.3 megawatts at a time.
Note that fully charged tried it out. They were 2nd in the queue and the batteries were all empty of charge, so they came back in an hour and were able to swap their battery.
...just like all those unfinished homes...right?
This presentation lacks a running clock
Stop saying is too much while you haven’t compared with gasoline V8 consumption. For a company that’ll push this ahead has to make it cheaper to get costumers.. wale would be heavy investment with cheap return
Better Place did this 13 years ago, never took off.
They didn't want to go to China. They killed theirselves.
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It costs too much. I think that it does not spread.
Even the quick charge station is too expensive
I also thought this battery exchange station looks expensive. 1) It takes up a lot of space on the ground for only 1 car (but maybe there are more "garages" for more cars that can be added next to the first garage ) 2) Having the robotics/track underground seems expensive and maybe even unnecessary. I wonder if it should, instead, have a higher platform for the cars to sit on and only require above-ground equipment to save cost and make construction simpler.
You don't NEED to use the swap station.. you could also just charge your car at home/work.. the swap station is there in a pinch.. it's a perfect idea.
@@MindofMatter Most NIO battery stations that have been deployed in China are above ground as you describe. Swapping may take slightly longer as shown in this simulation.
@@MindofMatter These are used for all Nio vehicles, not one station for one car.
これが2017年ってマ？
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What shocks me is how cheap this stock is, anyone care to explain why?
Recent IPO. First QE hasn't become public yet. Quiet period ends today.
I'm not complaining, it's good if you're buying - I've just put in a limit order to buy some NIO stock tomorrow (if it executes.) The high volatility is good for making a quick buck, Tesla is more predictable for going long IMO.
If you're just going by price then yes it's cheap but that's not how a stock is evaluated for value.
Look at PE ratio and growth. Not only price, my man.
Its a ok consept at best. Batteryswaps was also tried over at Tesla a while back. They either couldn't make it work good enough, or they decided it wasn't worth it. They have more experince than NIO.
Besides, batteryswaps make for a very rigid designarcitecture. It's wishful thinking that NIO get the battery right the first time around. So what happens when they want to change the design? do they have to make new swap stations? How expenive is such a station? If lots of people owns NIOs, are there going to be lines for swaping batteries? What about differenet models of car? Does it work with every NIO? How many moving complex precision parts are there? What if something fails?
I get why it seems like a good idea to do this. But i don't think this will work. If it does, we wont see it untill NIO is properly established. Maybe between 5/10 years depending on how well they do.
Sure sure. Keep your ‘China worse’ going, you will receive a surprise in less than 10-20 years.
@@DavidGonzalez-ff6yk never said china is any worse. What i am saying is that other companies with longer experience have tried, and paused or quit the project.
I think my questions are justified
Battery swap is all over China now, Tesla is too slow
I remember when dumb Tesla fanboys were telling me why battery swaps isn’t practical lol
This video doesn't prove practicality, its a godamn render of concept
It won’t be practical in real life.
They said the same about tesla's. Innovators will not stop innovating just cause you're jealous.
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That's hilarious and won't happen in the next 100 years
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It's a good idea. I also feel like it invites a very dirty scam were somebody can swap poor quality battery's by setting up fake terminals. I don't encourage this, just an observation
Now that is an overcomplicated piece of sh**.
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This isn't the solution faster charging is the solution. Technology will be good enough to charge a battery to half charge in 5-10mins thats much more cost efficient than this
Unfortunately, fast charging, no matter how improved the technology gets, will always wear out the batteries faster. Lithium ion batteries deteriorate when they get hot, that's why owner's manuals tell you to slow charge whenever possible. This is a much better solution IMO-- the batteries can slow charge without getting really hot and without the huuuge rush of current from fast charging.
Terrible idea. Too costly due to too many moving parts that would need maintenance. And not that much benefit. Doomed to fail I would say.
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It should be like plug and Play without screw removel concept
No way this is practical. The idea of battery swaps are but imagine the investment of a system like this. Tesla did it right with the infrastructure. I think soon you will see battery swaps from home. It will become as common as changing out a battery on tool. The swaps are a good idea but the size and implementation of a system such as this is kind of comical.
There r already 200 swap stations in china, and until end of this year 500. So it is practical in China but not in europe and america. Everything is possible in China.
@@heihei1576 as you said it’s possible and a nice option to have. It creates alternative approaches to living with an electric vehicle. However, as time moves on and we see the benefits of the cells being integrated into the architecture of the vehicle itself it might be less appealing but nonetheless still useful for many people.
@@andreavenaa i cant even imagine A) the cost of power to run a station with basically robotics systems. B) The inefficiency of swapping out batteries of that size and C) the components maintenance of such systems. If it were like swapping a powertool thats one thing but to have stations with robotics systems that essentially use energy to run those systems and requires serious engineering and maintenance, it comical.
@@heihei1576 and no way a system like that is practical. Whether in china or europe or anywhere 😂 wireless charging stations. Thats the future. The consolidation of system that requires less maintenance and less energy to run those stations. Thats the future.
@@heihei1576 close to 800 now. Plus Europe has 1 too.
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The noise and music and electronic noise of this video was pointless.
I'd rather hear a narration or nothing.
Well Battery swapping has failed in 2024 reason nobody adopted this technology after 7 years except Nio
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Imagine these not looking like a huge pile of shit. Nice concept, Tesla killer incoming.
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I think its dumb. People are horrible drivers and are dumb. 30% of these batteries will be damaged by curbs, rocks, small crashes and this machine will therefore work poorly.
THIS will never happen, because it would mean every car has the same Battery format.
That way Companies couldn't advert with huge batteries.
And every Company wants it's own charger Port....
Sounds great, will never happen outside of China / Japan.
While I love the idea of having EVs for most daily tasks, There is so much wrong with everything surrounding EVs that we the people are not being told.
But yet EVs have become the only alternative option to gas and everyone pushing them want no debate what so ever. Which should tell you that we are being scammed.