My First Battery Swap NIO ES8 in Norway (Drammen) during EVS35
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2022
- Here we go, my very first Battery Swap ever. (Well if you don't count scooters and so on!)
This week NIO will open their Berlin Battery Swap station. I will have to visit in November! #BerlinChallenge time!
This video was shot during EVS35 early summer in Oslo, on our way home to The Netherlands (by ferry) Matthijs Kok (Gemeente Utrecht) and I could just squeeze in a visit to NIO's very first European Battery Swap station! Thanks to everyone involved!
Enjoy the ride, newsletter soon! electricfelix.com/newsletter
0:24 Checking out the Fast Charging Station
2:15 Start the Fast Charger (for the IONIQ5)
3:33 Simulating ride to the Battery Swap Station
5:50 Requesting Battery Swap
8:20 Parking in front of Battery Swap Station
9:38 Not waiting inside(!)
9:57 Battery Swap Starting!
13:00 Swap Complete - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great video straight from the source as always, Felix. Good to see the batswap in (real) action.
This is awesome. just as fast as filling up petrol, but don't have to even touch the dirty, grimy gas pumps.
Making batteries creates more greenhouse gasses than making petrol or diesel.
@@petervrana9625 I'll assume what you say is true. what's the breakeven point? how many fill ups vs charging with clean energy?
This is the dumbest idea ever. Lmao.
Oh no not the _dirty, grimey gas pumps_
@@tuanas458 th-cam.com/video/uq-v1TTUyhM/w-d-xo.html Here this video is for you. Finally, I found a good use for this video. A good response to your response.
Great video. Thanks.
Nice video mate, keep up the good work
whoa, so cool!
wow its so cool !!!!
Guess vandalism is one of the biggest risks for swapping stations in europe 😅
there are video cameras, like in a normal gas station
The front door will be closed with no car inside
in the US, thieves are stealing the copper from the cables.
@@randomname931 really?
In my country, we will drag the battery like Fast and furious did
Wow, this is so cool absolutely love EV's especially NIO. $NIO
That didnt age well, $NIO 😂
Awesome!
i think this hot swap stuff should be the real future of EVs, all manufacturers should have a stock battery standard, pretty much like USB-C but it's the whole battery, you charge the battery at home and when you need a quick refil just stop at one of these and change the battery in 5 minutes, sure this needs infrastructure on the scale of country wide gas station infrastructure but don't think it's impossible in the future.
Does NIO have battery replacement service in Tibet Plateau of China?
In current situation and political climate, I reckon standardization of EV batteries could only happen within China due to its sheer volume of population. It's just sad to see how many things are made not possible due to unnecessary differences in ideologies.
I say when range increases with next battery technology you don't need CCS chargers at all you can rely for home charger.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 yeah that's true, but also quick swap compliment batterys would make for fast easy maintenance and resource management, like if every phone had a standard battery i bet we would solve 40% of phone malfunction problems, yeah i know this ins't going to happen but still would make everything easier.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 One advantage of the battery swap feature is future maintenance proof. I saw the news before that a Tesla owner says he’s been locked out of his car due to the dead battery until he pays $26,000 for a new battery
Wow, thats great video, look forward to seeing the growing footprint of NIO and BYD in Euro
This battery swap technology is pretty handy. I would prefer this over chargers anytime.
Are you a bot? lol
@@EATROPICAL no he has a brain
At last, a company doing things the right way.
Nice throw.
I think the future would be a hybrid of the two ways of charging your battery - battery swapping stations in major cities and regular charging stations in far-flung areas or along the highways or vice versa depending on which makes more sense in terms of maintenance cost
But tbh battery swap is more needed in main/interstate highways - not major cities. In cities (commuting), we are expecting home or office charging.
So far commuting is feasible with electric vehicle. Much easier too since no longer need to make a trip to fueling station. The issue is when need to do longer trip.
nice video, i have NIO ES6 in China and swap battery every week, that is very convenient and save time.
how many kilometers you ride per year?
@@electricfelix about 20000km
wow.... that's a technical achievement, battery swap is cool! Go NIO!!
very impressive！
excellent
awesome tech
indeed!!
🤩 this is the future
very convenient👍👍
nio is awesome
Takk for videoen, har lyst på Et7 👍
NIO 🚀
Wow, I’m from Hefei, the headquarter of NIO. Also I had summer intern in nio in 2021. Now I’m a graduate student in Virginia Tech.
See you somewhere!
10:00 start of battery swap
thanks....
Charger seems to be loud and only 250 A max. 😳
But battery swap is nice with the cooling lines quick connect (i assume).
My guess the limitation is less to do with fast chargers, and more with the grid -- few grids would tolerate super-heavy electricity equipment that randomly kicks in and out -- a huge drain for the grid.
@@davecai999 Is it true the swap station needs 550 kW power?
@@abraxastulammo9940 550KW seems to be reasonable -- a typical mid-size fast charging station with 8 DC chargers, would need 8*90=720KW. Swapping stations may need less as the algorithm could arrange so that the power output could be optimized.
6 mins from when you backed in how long from the start where you had to drive a ways out to get the software to recognize you were not so close it could schedule you and appointment then have to drive back to the station have it park it inside then do the battery swap. You cut the video but I'm guessing 15 to 20 mins, Maybe not a issue if your on your way to the station but what happens when there 3 or more people needing a battery swap?
Cool~😁😁😁
A sensible option - should be developed widely.
120 stations are promised for EU 2023..
Thats pretty cool but what happens when it fails just once and some blokes car is stuck there without a working battery. Furthermore what if the battery swapped is much worse performing than ur old one. What about the mechanical upkeep of these stations? What if someone needs to swap and there are no packs available? So many questions
1. The swap stations are fully tested in China for millions of swaps, stuck is rare to happen. 2. there are self-inspections for each swap, batteries with poor condition will be out of this cycle. .3. Since this is just a swap not a pick-up, the battery will be available all the time, of course , if many cars swap at the time, driver may need to wait until the batteries inside the swap station are charged again.
This is cool and I think it should work well in EU.
what is the problem with the guy at beginning who threw charging cable to the ground? so rude.
It was an accident.. twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=46&t=1vWNhPWsG1HChT__Ow2Sew
Do you know if Xpen is in Norway? their G9 can be charged up to 200km in 5 minutes
Xpeng is also launching in Europe this winter, P7 in some countries. No idea if/when the G9 might come over here with 400kW+ charging ;-)
Xpeng is in norway and has been for a couple years i think with the g3 and the p7 came not too long ago.
Nio👍👍
Good video. How many swap stations are there in Norway?
As far as I know, the first five are not online yet: twitter.com/NickGibbs/status/1390223541392613376?s=20
This is cool, seriously, wonder why no companies do this in the US
YET!
Because it endangers the national security of the United States and the technology is stolen from the United States. So....
Tesla already showcased this idea a few years ago. They didn't deploy this battery swap to the public due to concerns with higher wear to the stations. Generally not the best solution for large scale EV fleet since eventually you'll run out of fully charged battery, and also people returning damaged battery pack back to the station.(maintain cost was also higher than the EV charging station)
Even Tesla is facing issues with broken chargers and vandalism. Imagine having a station, practically begging for troubles.
@@christopherwang7460 "few years ago" = nearly 10 years ago
NIO ❤️❤️😍👍👍
Så disse bilene skal KUN kjøres på dagtid, siden det ikke er mulig å skifte batteri på nattan?
Indeed the swap station is NOT open 24/7! But you can always fast charge next to the station..
Do you know the price you pay when charging (like petrol?)
In this case I expect the NIO app to show price of charging. All chargers have their own tariff, the MER ones and the Tesla charger shown in the video all offer their own pricing.
i wonder if EV cars might getting less popular in Norway since Dec2022. As I read (somewhere..😄) that some benefits for the use EV has been reduced and price for charging has gone up by 3 folds... Correct me if i am wrong
Who paid the extra available batteries for swapping? It is you or NIO company(finally charged from you)?
U got 4 or 6 free charges in 1 month
chargers are not so good !
But swap is awesome
The chargers could certainly be improved. I like that there is only one place to authenticate for all the chargers.
Amazing power exchange efficiency
How long will it take to charge using traditional methods from 20 to 100%?
That would be a strange comparison since NIO charges the "swap" battery to 90% (as you can see in the video)
@@electricfelix I just want to know the efficiency of current "slow-charge". I guess they could just add more charge station for places with high traffic too.
@@FuzzyAason In EU 11 kW is normal for AC charging, so 7 h most regular vehicles can be full. And since most are parked between 6PM and 7AM anyway ;-)
@@electricfelix As an investor of Nio.. I hope battery swapping is a thing of the future. There will be too many assets that will need "maintenance coverage" for so many chargers when there is a lot of EV.
Perhaps self-driving car will one day be allowed to drive themselves to do battery swap when you are working or sleeping xD hahaha
The last 20% charge or a battery will take as long to change as the first 80%
Well aware! twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1582001300836786176?s=20&t=k44xM0qickFiGWDlMaf6Dw
I wonder how will this battery swap work in winter when car will come with snow and ice under... 🤔
Agreed, I would love to see people winter testing this!
The auto park into the swap station is great but they should disable break and drive pedal to prevent intervention instead the audio telling driver not to touch the pedals
I get your point, but I don't think it should ever disable the brake pedal!! Maybe the drive pedal.
They dont just in case if any accidents happend, the driver still can taking control.
no, its your car.
maybe they think the drivers should have full control of their cars at ANY time and be responsible for their actions
Just scan QR code on the charger pillar ,it also can start charge
Thanks for the video. Nio's battery swap assumes the near future will not have faster charging batteries. By the time Nio rolls these real estate heavy units out, the world will have passed them by.
this tech still will be relevant because general battery size will also be bigger, and the potential use for electric public vehicles
Vast majority of public chargers are only 22kw charging. Also the very fast chargers are so much more expensive I deliberately don't use them in the UK. I think this idea that we are all going to be having super fast charging is many decades away.
When i get my EV i can rely 95% for home charging so rarely need CCS charger at all. Most likely i could charge 11 kW at home but a bit safe to go 9 kW so won't burn fuses. Which means 77 kW battery fully charges under 9 hours. So i claim majority of people doesn't need battery swaps or much CCS at all.
Battery swat can upgrade to newer or more power battery that fast charging can’t.
When you buy a used EV, the battery age is a major factor in the price, battery swap negates that issue. Nio maintains the batteries.
I like this technology a lot, but the thing that "worry" me a bit is that, in a way or another, in case we would want to massively deploy this technology, it would require a lot of battery. Yeah battery are not *this* bad to the environnement, but I still think that having like, 10 / 20 battery per station just waiting for a car to pass by is a waste (maybe we could use this battery to sustain the grid ? still I think that this is too much battery needed versus having supercharger for the occasional need)
GO NIO> BAAS is the gamechanger !!!!
When the TH-cam auto translator turned "NIO app" into "knee wipe" 😂
Lovely ;-)
And when have 50.000 auto for battery change where u make all station , every 1 KM ???
the same as gas stations
Narrow street in Norway.
Thats a wide road for norwegian standards.
Because you got off the bus in the middle of the power change, the power change time was extended
No, when we got out the process was not paused, and IMMEDIATELY after getting out, the process started (the floor opened) so this is incorrect.
I think nokia is happy to assist you on faster battery swapping.😅
I have some questions regarding this vehicle. Can this car use any of the superchargers by Tesla? Also, when you swap battery from your, suppose new car, don't you swap to an older battery (with same kWh), won't you then feel the consumption is higher because battery has been used so much? Also what are your thoughts on resale value in the coming years? Will it be difficult to sell this if NIO fails to improve their upcoming cars?
#PublicSuperchargingInEurope is available in 14 countries (including countries like Iceland and Luxembourg). And anyone with a CCS port can access it using the Tesla app. I will test NIO at the Supercharger when I get the chance. Swapping is only possible for people who take a "BaaS monthly payment" on their battery. Through which as far as I understand it, you're not the owner of the battery so not many claims you could make. Resale value nearly impossible to predict. Will swapping take off, is the 150 kWh battery going to arrive and when? #neveradullmoment!
Which is cheaper ?
EV per km OR Petrol/diesel Vehicle per km ?
Too easy, EV much cheaper and petrol long term will definitely go up in price (tax).
how much cost new battery
While that is a good question, right now if you want to use the swap service, you have to be signed up for the BaaS system: you pay a monthly fee for a certain amount of swaps included.
I wish we could have Nio and BYD in North America. Tesla is milking the market here.
NIO says 2025 USA..
I don’t think it will work as it’s a China product
I'm in North America and I'm waiting for the NIO too!!
@@user-li7ye6ds5i Chinese electric cars are superb.
@@electricfelix waiting for NIO. Tesla's price is not reasonable.
so how much does this cost
In Norway you can purchase the vehicle, and then you get a "BaaS" (Battery as a Service) subscription. I think it includes two swaps per month, more and you pay extra. Soon it will be offered in Netherlands, Germany and hopefully I can test more and tell you more!
How much swap cost?
Right now NIO offers vehicles on a "car subscription" (anywhere between 1200/month and 1700/month in Germany depending on flexibility of the contract) - within the subscription I think two swaps a month are "included".
@@electricfelix 1200 Euro a month? That's too much
@@michaelz5497 Just Nio's saying of "Interest-free installment"
@@michaelz5497 that is car subscription, not battery
Different battery sizes. 95% of the time I would need a light 50kw. For the holidays a 150kw.
Right now 75 kWh is the minimum and 100 kWh the maximum. But ready for more of course ;-) #futureproof
If only nio brings these to Sri lanka
one day!
Still in the early days of EV. Can`t afford to be a beta tester now, probably will consider buying in 2030 xD
Why only Norway? What's wrong with the rest of Europe? 😒
First two stations in Germany are online... Hope to test them as well ;-)
Norway already in future like china. Thats great
LOL…Throwing the gun charger, man that could’ve edited but you decided to include it.
It's a full documentary, as always.
wow!! Looks so Better Place Renault Fluence ZE 2012 ...
Clearly, we're not in 2012 anymore ;=) The games have just begun !
@@electricfelix It failed in Israel because of corporate greed (and a very bad electric car to add to the insult). These facilities cost alot to build and maintain, you need an industry wide standard to make it work and be scalable and thats never gonna happen, in the end of this experiment there will be a few hundred/thousands early adopters stuck with a single model, no swapping stations and a car thats hard to re-sell.
@@assafweiss8078 Only time will tell. But you've been there, Israel was at the forefront back then! #alwaysbeswapping?! has a lot of questions!
@@electricfelix Better place basically chained their customers to be using solely better place infrastructure. Not only by using the swapping stations, but also by trying to monopolize the charging process and force their customers to charge at home using only better place managed charging stations which came with a nice fee (they even tried to "standardize" the Israeli automotive charging cables and connectors to aid them with monopolizing charging in Israel which made alot of people very angry...) To add to all that, the car only did about 150 Km per charge and was pretty useless to inter-city travel. Nevertheless, I don't think that corporate greed was the main cause for its failure. While the swapping concept is a good concept (one of the main advantages in my point of view is that you dont "own" the battery which is the main component that devalues the car in time), lack of standardization and the cost of maintenance and infrastructure will take this idea down (again, the same way it took Better place down and the same way Tesla gave up on that idea).
buy new car swap used battery ?
Why did they so obviously stage throwing the broken charger cable on the ground 😔 ruins the trust factor unfortunately
Since I was shooting "documentary style" (one take, and we had no spare time at all, with a ferry to catch pretty far away) there was nothing staged at all. twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=20&t=R1SoJ-HYcu00QbT6-9r-iQ
Wow that's surprising I don't know that so many chinese EV companies in Norway. I thought they only playing in China.
Anyway the Battery swapping idea was great, but if they can support all EV not only NIO will be better, so that you don't need to build the swapping station everywhere for dedicate brands.
Nio solution is good because you won’t need to change your battery in 3-5 years. In other rest cars you will need to change batteries and that would be a big cost for owners :/
So Nio solution is great just who will buy them when they will hear that they are madr in china car?! :/
This ZOE proves that fair might not be so realistic ;-) twitter.com/advandermeer/status/1581649564456476673?s=20&t=GafHMbQXG2c0y3xFzTiP2Q
WHY European car manufacturers havent agreed on 2-3 battery standards and then use the available gas stations to implement a standard swapping station for their car brands?!? It would have been so easy after all... But no... Everyone rather developed their own shit
Cool..... this car is like a Nokia 3310 battery low? Just swap it.
I like turtles 🐢
This car is the most convinient. I dont know how they are evan able to sell cars that charge overnight or several hours? that is ridicules like you are waiting for comunity bus by the schedule...idea of owning a car is to be autonomus at any goven moment and NIO is the only EV that can perform that. this company is the future!
车是好车。。。在中国卖的也不错。但是这个基础建设投资很大，现在经济不行，哎，对这个运营模式有点担心，还是希望发展快充，见充电桩就行。。这个换电成本太高了
看财报就知道没你想的那么高，而且成本还在不断下降
@@Mike-ic1ur 怎么说，长期看好，想买股票，现在15，估计年底会到10
跟加油站差不多，歐美城市規模不大，並不需要太多。
@@bearli1298 还是看好BYD吧，那个找低位进就行了！稳稳的赚~
@@user-jj6mx3tc1g 为什么?
Is that the new Ferrari Puroshdbhsbdgbsawy??? Looks similar from the front end.
Ferrari could have done better with their so called FUV!!!
cool idea but any company try to do this is not going to make any money, just not sustainable. Imaging you just got a brand new car and battery and someone in front of you had a 3 years old battery with over 50K miles on it and they want to swap yours with old one, hell no.
think the other way. 😂. Or just image 5 years later you can replace it with a double capacity battery but in the same size
Here in China, NO give you two options. You can buy the car with a battery or you can buy the car without the battery and rent the battery.
The cables shouldn’t be laying on the ground. Lazy design.
Neat idea, but probably not practical at mass usage anytime soon. Maybe in 50 years or so.
unfortunately this is super prone to operational mistakes and eventually the idea will fade away.. like it did with elon. he tried and then he said it is not feasible.
Wtf, peoples throw the gun at floor. Those people need some education to behave better.
That's a misunderstanding: twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1577356388719796224?s=20&t=kyaDISDYmkZElvZHFh9eSA
sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
where?
bros car is so dusty
Cool idea, but battery swap process involve quite a bit of moving mechanics that will incease wear to the station&vehicle. You might also get a battery owned by a poorly managed user. This battery swap might be exploited just to get a new battery replacement from intentional users. Overall cool technology and idea, but not practical in the long run. Watch this idea fades in a few years.
I remember when Renault and a company called better place, tried the same concept her in Israel and failed miserably. There’s a reason no other manufacture adopted this concept .no one is interested in paying in addition to the price of the vehicle additional payments each time they want to replace a battery when there’s electricity in each house and solar systems in the market to help reduce costs. It’s just a greedy technique they use to keep milking your wallet in addition to the vehicles price.
It dousing matter if it even takes 2 minutes to replace a battery when you can recharge at home and for a lot less money. They can forget about the Israeli market lol.
Most expensive EV part is battery especially now when lithium price skyrocketed, and if u buy NIOs subscription plan u pay only for car not battery, much cheaper.
@@samirdoncic6395 you get an eight year warranty on batteries exceeding most people ownership. And second of all, I wouldn’t buy a Chinese car if it was the only EV manufacturer in the world. A nation notorious of counterfeiting ripping off Patton stealing, hacking into companies stealing their databases and downloading designs and research saving them money only to implement in to their inferior version.
@@EATROPICAL usa does some of it too, but they won't talk on themselves 🤣hahaha, I would buy it.
All this shows is how we'll eventually move to hydrogen...
Do not make me laugh :))) Not practical, useless, expensive etc. I will never buy a Chinese car ... I would recommend to make a review of Great Wall and I am curious what will be the final verdict :))) This is EU and we have enough car manufactures, we do not need Chinese cars at all.
Logic is wrong. Market will tell, not your emotion, your world view, or ideology. The best survives as simple as that.
The thing is Chinese car makers will copy what Tesla is doing, and they will tell the world they invented it. Chinese labors are incredibly cheap, thus lowering the cost of pretty much everything in the manufacture. Sure, they make EV with afordable price, but the biggest concern is that all companies in China are pretty much owned by CCP, which they will always do something sneaky to any electronics to compromise your security and personal data.
They are almost perfect, the only issues are their abysmal culture and government...
@@christopherwang7460 LOL is it... I dont think so at all. It will have more headwinds but eventually technology matters. Wanna bet in 10 years Chinese car manufacturer will be one of the dominant most innovative entities in the world, regardless of their political system or whatever u see in your mind
funny fact：200 years ago, the emperors of China Have the same idea🤣 ，keep it bro，love form china♥
Dead project already.
What makes you say that?
Elon Musk said battery swapping is stupid, now he's doing the same.
Awesome!