4x4 Snatch Strap Recovery in action!
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- MadMatt shares his tips on how to do a 4x4 Snatch Strap recovery.
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Props to you guys for introducing safety into the aspect of vehicle recovery.
Thanks Josh.
Thank you for really hammering home the points about safety. I’m new to this so my first priority is the safety of me, my mates and my family
Spot on mate
I know all of this and have successfully recovered several vehicles but, I appreciate videos like this and you taking the time to put them together. This could really save some lives, too often do i see people setting themselves up for failure in these situations.
thanks Drew.
MadMatt
I’m new to off-road 4WDing and I found this video very helpful. Simple and to the point. I now know i need to add dedicated recovery points to the front end of my Colorado 7 and add a damper and a tree trunk protector to my kit. Thanks.
Top advice on here. A knob like me - despite doing 4x4 courses - needs to hear good advice again and again and again.
I'm watching, thinking and learning so that if I get stuck travelling Oz, I have a few clues about best way to get out of the pickle I'm in. Safety, safety, safety. I love it.
Thanks for the video Mad Matt.
I love that you mentioned the one boss technic. I have been In a situation where bystanders trying to tell people to just giver ie breaking stuff, dangerous.
Thanks
When you put energy into the strap, it stores that energy as potential energy. The physical design accepts energy input exponentially. As you continue to put energy into the strap, it stores it until the total energy matches the resistance force. The bugged vehicle exerts a counter force. Normal rope, steel cable even chains react in a similar manner, but their physical properties limit the deformation response. Watch a steel winch cable fail and go flying. A dynema synthetic rope stores much less energy and are used for that reason. Once the system has stored enough energy to overcome the resistance, it begins to recessed the stored energy. The advantage of the snatch strap is the manner on which it releases the stored energy. The pulling force is released exponentially. High force tapering off This acts both to reduce shock loads imparted and as a force multiplier as the potential energy is in addition to the instantaneous pulling force. If the tow vehicle is applying 1000 pounds of force and the strap is contracting (giving up its stored energy) at 1000 pounds instantaneously then the total force in this example would be 2000 pounds
As long as the strap is being used within it’s rated operating load, it is safe and effective. The challenge is many users don’t know how to estimate the load factor. There are recovery manuals that include techniques for estimating based on conditions. Mired two inches or mired to the frame as an example. If mired to the frame, the recovery load can in fact be four times the vehicle weight.
The best thing to do is not proceed unless you know the load. Always keep people outside twice the cable length minimum. And use Murphy’s law. If it can go wrong it WILL go wrong
Using a kinetic energy rope over a strap can increase the safety margin but they can cost four times as much. Better to have a snatch strap than a chain or a steel rope which are lethal. Good video
I agree with all you say. I like and use Bob Wholers calculations for bogged loads.
THANK YOU, APPRECIATED.
Nice video! Already used my Miolle strap in action too! I drive a tow truck for a roadside assistance provider and I bought this recovery strap to help with off-road recoveries. It's perfect for adding extra length to winch cables. Seems to be very durable as I've used it a few times already this winter. Definitely worth the money. Buy it you will not be disappointed!
Great video. I’ve learned a lot! Thank you for sharing.
my pleasure
Great advice Matt, but the video would have had more credibility if it was the Toyota snatching the Nissan! ;)
Very good points and thank you. The only reason the patrol snatched me out was it could't get down to where I got stuck. It was having a tough time just being on the dirt. :)
I go a little overboard with my tow straps I have a 6inch strap and 60k rated shackles that I use to pull out my dump trucks when they get stuck I take them with me when I go off roading
Well done MadMatt! You just got a new SUB!
Thanks for the support
Great video. Thank you from Washington state
Great advice! Learned a lot with that one. Keep up the good work. Thanks!
Excellent safety advice regarding onlookers....stay clear of the towing straps.
Good video. Ending advice is great. Stay calm and think it through. People get stuck all of the time, it's no big deal. Take it slow and easy. Oh, and the radio advice is spot on. I carry 3 radio's in my rig so I can hand them out as spares or when doing a recovery. Communication is very important for safety.
Well said!
Great vid matt. Just got my first bubba rope last weekend. Snow for Thursday here in colorado. Yesssssss
I want to play with the bubba rope.
I ditched the d ring . i use this. Point is to make it a tool less and easy operation. A loop over a hook no pins to drop in the mud or water. www.amazon.com/MaxxHaul-70248-Forged-Tow-Hook/dp/B078Q71125/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?keywords=reciever+tow+hook&qid=1570724614&sr=8-7#
Wow look at this. Never seen it done like this. This guy is. Good. th-cam.com/video/x-lhRFsBMrs/w-d-xo.html
Another reason to pack a few soft shackles. Great Video!
A BIG THANK YOU.
I Learnt a LOT. (again)
So Simple.
Thanks again.
I’m glad to help
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and making this video! Looks like the electric tape forgot to do its job there at the very end of the vid...lol.
LOL yep it got the sack after this job.
MadMatt 4WD So would recommend using load rated D shackles instead of hooks?
Amazing video. Fair play. You have a great way of teaching. Looking forward to watching more.
Thanks Tom
Responsibly explained. I wish people would actually pay attention to proper technique for safety.
This was filmed some years ago and now days with some of the testing I've done I avoid snatch recoveries if I can.
@@MadMatt4WD What do you prefer for recovery?
Good I idea using a buffer on a snatch strap. I see them applied to winches a lot, never thought about it for a snatch strap.
Good advice!😊
Awesome I just bought one tree protección after seen the video
love your work Matt
Thanks Mate.
Great video! May I suggest zip ties instead of elec. tape to keep the strap from slipping off the hooks? I never leave home without them!!!
Yeah. Now days this vehicle is long gone and I have different points. It was an emergency solution.
On one of your videos you have the steps to follow and recovering a vehicle. The first step I remember was put the 4 Wheel Dr. Into four-wheel-drive. What were the rest of the steps. Ty
Hey mate. Put it in 4wd. Let a third of the air out of your tyres as a starting point. Pack rocks dig under the car or build the road. Use tread boards or other traction aids. Do a tow recovery. Use your winch. Use a snatch. This is the basics.
Great video!
Another point Mate,
I watched your suggestion. Very interesting.
Have a look at this test on TH-cam - Testing - Vehicle Recovery Strap Recoil Diffuser - Make sure you watch it from about 6 min 30 secs. Look where the heavy bag hits the John Deere. That is why even a weighted dampener is still unsafe.
Yeah I have a number of concerns with that system. First the yellow strap should be on a seperate anchor point. 3rd 4wd recoveries are done with higher vehicle speed or a Snatch recovery is more of a tow. So with a higher speed we snap the fuse then load up the yellow strap before we can stop and blow it apart.
If you have FaceBook watch this from my Facebook channel. facebook.com/madmatt4wd/videos/1861922493877698/
There ya go. Even the manufacturers admit a damepners effectiveness is limited !
Thanks Matt, just learning so this is bang on. Got snatched by a workmates husband and he didn’t even give time to get into the drivers seat before taking off. Don’t like the cowboy attitude. Cheers👍
Wow some people need a slap around the head. Thanks for the kind comments
Jian Josh teman pakde Mad
well done guys
I see you got ur seat belt on that's very good at that speed of max 2 mph you could get thrown through the window
More to the point if something went wrong and the car rolled back. This was a very steep pinch.
It’s about rolling and retaining your spot in the seat don’t be a knob
Using the receiver pin is a great way to get a bent pin.
So people say but I've never seen it happen nor have i seen a picture of it happening. Not saying it can't happen
Thank you for the information
My pleasure
Hi Jesse and Clay Chase, Thanks for your comments. Have a read of this Blog post for some more thoughts. The hitch Pin is a safe point although not the safest. As for joining straps it is an accepted safe procedure that is recommended and taught in most training manuals. I'm always happy to be wrong though. :)
madmatt4wd.com.au/2014/02/02/a-poll-for-you-is-a-hitch-pin-safe-as-a-recovery-point/
MadMatt4WD i think its a perfectly safe recovery point because that pin is extremely strong my father has 10,000 lb (4500 kilo) toyhauler and we have towed it many times up steep grades and offroad many times, with at times the full load of the trailer plus the added effective weight of being on an incline on that pin and it has never failed, nor have i ever heard of one failing. although it is not the safest with a bolt on reciever it probably is not too bad of an idea depending on its load rating
So here is my 2c, no issue with recovery off a pin, however NOT a tow ball, they are designed to break in the event of a trailer overturning, over the years i have used various types of recover points and i am not a fan of the hooks i rather prefer a hole for the bow shackle (i see you call it a D shackle, in south africa a D shackle is different and not recommended for recoveries at all) maybe something else to consider if you attach a snatch strap \ rope to a single point (bridal is fine) to attach a second safety catch strap to the snatch.
Gerhard King they are 2 different shackles i believe a d shackle is like a link of chain and a bow shackle has the "bow" in it, d ring seems to be a generic term now
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Good advice. Just be careful of using a hitch. Even though they can withstand a lot of pulling, they can still shear off the bolts or rip out of the frame. I know because it happened to me! Lol, and it took the rear bumper with it!. Its worth the money to buy and attach the proper equipment to the vehicle should you need a recovery from other than a wrecker.
Also just wanted to add, never ever ever floor the towing car before the strap is fully stretched to attempt to use the inertia of the vehicle to pull out a stuck vehicle! That's how the towing strap gets snapped.
Karl H the only variation to this point is if the vehicle is very low powered or very light.
Looks can be deceiving, even a light vehicle can generate a tremendous amount of stress that far exceeds the rating of most straps if you use the momentum to "snap" it. As can seen in this video th-cam.com/video/LG1your1AxI/w-d-xo.html attempts to "snap" the strap with momentum often lead to catastrophic failures. It's best not to risk it because it is very hard to estimate the force when you start snapping it.
Matt. What you talk about is good information so please follow your own recommendations. NEVER recover off a tow pin. Only use rated points or the frame. Tow pins are designed to be placed under "shear" or linear force. Using them as a recovery point exerts a combination of "compression" and "tension" distributed across the length of the pin that will result in bending and failure.
How does the strap apply pressure to the pin any differently than a "Hitch Receiver".
hillynath69 Ok think of "shear" like what scissors do to paper. When you put a hitch in a receiver than slide the pin through there is no gap between the inside wall of the receiver and the hitch. This means all the force exerted on the pin is in "shear," because hitch is trying to slide out while the receiver is trying to pull forward resulting in pressures on opposite sides of the same point on the pin. That is fine because that is what the pin was designed to do, basically not get cut. Without the hitch and using the pin alone distributes the load across the length of pin between where it is supported by the receiver holes. When pressure is exerted instead of having opposing forces on the same point on the pin, the back of the pin is under "compression" while the front of the pin is under "tension" causing the pin to want to bend. Shackles and clevises were designed to deal with this type of force, but receiver pins were not. (Try an experiment with a pencil: grasp a pencil with the thumb and forefingers of both hands as close together as possible, then try to break it without bending it just by pushing with one hand and pulling with the other. This mimics the type of pressure when properly using a hitch pin. Now try grasping the pencil farther apart and breaking it over a fixed point like a desk or your knee, the farther apart you grasp it, the easier it is to break. This mimics the type of pressure when you try to recover just off of a hitch pin.) Hope this helps, Safe wheeling.
Clay Chase hillynath69
I really appreciate this discussion guys. Have a read of the discusion on the website for some deeper thoughts on this subject. Also the attempt to find evidence of pin failure. madmatt4wd.com.au/2014/01/27/is-a-hitch-pin-acceptable-as-a-snatch-recovery-point/
MadMatt4WD Matt, I'm glad you're still following this. Discussion is one of the best ways for us and others to learn. I'll preface this by saying I have quite a bit of experience with vehicle recovery and often have dealt with situations requiring a 16,000lb line pull or testing the limits of a 30,000lb dynamic snatch strap. I also have a lot of experience with tracked and armored vehicle recovery, and using recovery equipment to breach fortified structures. My gripe on the topic is a hitch pin as a recovery point was never designed to deal with the type forces that are exerted during a dynamic recovery. If you are using proper recovery techniques except for the hitch pin, you have essentially engineered a fail point into your recovery. Knowing the potential fail point is not necessarily a bad thing, but when it is a piece of metal attached to what amounts to be a giant elastic band your hitch pin fail point can turn into a missile. We've probably all seen the horror that can result from snatching off of a tow ball, a hitch pin has the potential to yield similar results. Ultimately I remove the question of failure and go with a hitch receiver with a shackle. Of course when we're stuck, or more likely when we find someone else who is stuck, we use what we have. My caution to everyone is that if you have to use a hitch pin, know that that will be the weak link in your recovery and plan accordingly.
Clay Chase
I think we basically agree and as i state I don't see it as the best solution but rather an acceptable one. At the end of the day a recovery is a very dangerous situation usually being handled by low skilled people who have minimal idea of the forces involved. I find it interesting that I can't find any images of failed pins though. There are heaps of images of failed tow balls so why not pins? I presume you read my call for images of pin failures. The best scenario would be not to have to do recoveries at all. Thank you for your input it is most welcome.
Great safety tips. Much appreciated big guy.
Thanks mate.
I want that Patrol bad! Mmph that thing is nice!
It's for sale i believe.
You don't know enough about recovery if you need a weight on your rigging, you should always inspect your equipment prior to recovery and you should always stay withing the working load limit of all of your equipment and you will never have issues. Know your working load limits and know the resistance to overcome
That’s all well and good but have you seen how people are using snatch straps? It’s out of control. The real issue is a snatch recovery is an uncontrolled energy release which means there’s no chance to stop if things start to go wrong. I agree with what you say though.
@@MadMatt4WD I wouldn't ever depend on any type of strap like that either yeah but the most important thing is having quality load rated equipment and inspecting it prior to recovery execution, when in class my instructor explained that safety precautions like staying out of the path of potential rigging failures is all well and good but when done properly you shouldn't have to fear your rigging as you should know you are withing the working load limit and you should know the resistance you need to overcome.
at least the end of the vid showed what the dampner? damper? does. perhaps you should make that a separate video just to show what it does.
Love the suggestion. We did one earlier this year. Here is the link - Air Damper - An essential piece of recovery equipment...see why! th-cam.com/video/MMV8mo8hK-w/w-d-xo.html. Hope that helps mate!
youré an expert, thanks bro
Glad to help.
A local was killed here doing that recently. The attachment point broke.
You only using one dampener ??????? But dampeners are near useless anyway. Why not produce one like these, seems much better - Snap Trap by Ditch Hitch. Anyone could get one made by the local upholsterer with a big sewing machine. It needs to be able to attach to a completely separate point on BOTH vehicles. Safer than than most other snatch systems. The catch strap just needs to be at least 30% longer than the snatch strap.
Here is a trick to get right away from the dangers of snatching. Visit the youtube video called “Home Made Stronger Truck Claws”' A second vehicle or anchor point is never needed. There are some commercial ones available. Or make this Russian example “Home Made Stronger Truck Claws”
There is quite a range of low tech adaptions of the basic concept.
Hey mate, When I filmed this video it was common practice to use a single damper as per the video but as you've rightly said we also weren't convinced it was the best solution. Watch this video I did more recently on Dampers and see my findings. th-cam.com/video/aNVG4E8XzSI/w-d-xo.html
I've seen the Ditch Hitch concept and it's interesting. I've also got some recent testing coming out soon showing another idea that was proposed. It failed. :) At the end of the day following the hierarchy of recovery methods we shouldn't be doing very many Snatch recoveries but alas they are usually the first port of call.
Good on you for taking this seriously.
The 'catch strap' idea and the far less threatening 'Claws' idea need to be promoted at every opportunity. Even simple to make at home. And far more useful because a anchor point isn't needed.
I spend a lot of time truly off road. Most 4WD'ers when 'off road' are still on a track of some sort. I chase 'roos in 100.000 acre paddocks without any tracks at all. Lost count of the amount of times I have been 'stuck' everything from dry bogged in sand or bull dust to a two wheel drop into a blind vertical sided ditch at 1 Am 30 K's from the nearest anybody. One man in one vehicle. Never a second vehicle and I am over trying to winch out. So what could do a better job ? I wonder !
Just too easy for ill advised off roaders to be sucked in by the 'Super'man 'Cheap' as chips 'Auto' promotions stuff. Dangerous ignorance at best ! Of course a manufacturer is going to promote their product.
But that is an education issue, and you are in a box seat for putting out the education.
Thanks Fella, My roo shooting days are over but I've done some work out in the Piliga scrub and seen some of the sort of country your talking about. It's rough going. Do you find the Max Trax style boards any good?
I'm always trying to see what can be done safer or better. I'm slowly learning.
I knew the Pilliga well. I used to be a beekeeper operating in there about 40 years back. One year there was so much rain that the locals were swimming in quite a deep hole in that sandy creek just north of Baradine. Could not drive off a track at all without bogging to the axles. Even sank in the middle of a forestry road once.
I have used mats made from 16mm conveyor belting. Can make them way longer and a bit wider than a MaxTrax and roll them up. Works Ok if I could get then under on level ground. But can't do that very often. So it was back to winching and trying to find a anchor point. Too hard.
Its a Bow Shackle not a D shackle, a D shackles is a different piece of kit mainly used in crane and lifting operations.
Thanks for the correction.
Hi Matt,
Great videos! I was just looking for advice on whether to buy a tow strap or a recovery strap. My intentions are aimed at just helping stranded drivers stuck in bad snow conditions, etc. Based on your videos, I would purchase a d-clamp and a cable dampener. A little background information, I own a 2011 Subaru outback 3.6R rated at a 4000 pound towing capacity. So would a tow strap make sense or a recovery for me? Any advice would be welcomed and once again, great videos!
Hi Patrick,
I would think that if you're just doing slow snow only recoveries then a tow strap would be fine. One of the challenges you'll always have is what to connect the strap to on the car you're recovering. Most cars only have the factory tie down points which are very light duty.
The ultimate safest thing would be to get a snatch strap and a rated bow shackle with a damper as you've suggested. You could also carry a short length (3M) of rated chain with link hooks that you could use to attach to a suitable section of the stuck car. This creates a strong recovery point. Never use the tow ball as a recovery point. watch my other videos about that.
Thanks for your encouragement.
MadMatt.
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Just curious, what caused the strap to detach in the blooper reel? Something preventable with how you looped it with the tree protector strap, or did the snatch strap just crap out?
Also, thank you for this great information. Got my 2020 4runner stuck in a nasty rut for the first time and was totally unprepared. I learned a lot from your videos and feel much more prepared with the right gear!
Back then I used to use recovery hooks and it fell of the hook when slack. I’m glad you’re learning stuff. Keep going
How does the snatch strap connect to the strap on the vehicle?
Hi thewhistler The strap between the vehicle is called a "Bridal Strap" and all I do is slip it through the eye of the snatch strap. I would never use a "D" shackle just in case there was a failure of the gear and the shackle would become a deadly missile. There is some suggestions that connecting the way I do can cause a friction burn to the straps if they slide along each other under load. It feel the chance of this happening is minimal, even if it does happen it would be most unlikely that the strap would fail. I would suggest that if a strap showed any signs of friction burns that the strap be replaced. I hope this helps, MadMatt.
+MadMatt4WD As a climber I've known of this happening, that's why we never connect synthetic to synthetic. For a car recovery you're right, the risks are much greater with a d ring. The chance of falling 1000 meters is pretty slim :)
Should the person stuck be in neutral or driving?
Driving as well but not to aggressively. Usually 1st low.
Mat thank you As usual informative This may sound off centre but re snatch straps breaking and dampers whatdo you think of fire fighterhose fitted over the strap this should allow the strap to expand but if some think breaks the hose will stay intact while the strap contracts inside the hose ? Thank you
Pleasure. Your idea would be worth trying I think.
Hey matt! What are the usual specs of a 4x4 where you live? Axle gearing, t case gearing and most common tire size?
Hey Scott, That's a tough one to answer. Our rules are very strict on vehicle modification. So 33s are the most common legal size but many run up to 37s and a few even 40s. But that voids all insurance. We love our Toyotas and Nissans but Jeeps are becoming more popular. We can do what we like with gears so people do all sorts of things. I tend to do gearing at the diff to make for a stronger driveline. The Bundera in my latest video is twin locked 3.8 V6 33" tyre and 5.29 ratio diffs.
@@MadMatt4WD mine is 273 in the t case 355 lol in my axles with 33's . i always been suspicious on the middle / t case diff. But Toyota....i am sure they perfected it long ago.
Would a pintle hitch ring be a good recovery point?
I've used them and believe they are acceptable.
If I’m the one recovering, how do I make sure I don’t stall when the rope snaps to pull out the vehicle being rescued?
Assuming you have a few rpm you won't stall. also you can feel the load increasing and increase power as needed.
@@MadMatt4WD cheers mate
Just one observation: Don’t use those tow hooks under the front of the car for recovery, they’re not for off road recovery use. Get yourself a pair of rated recovery points, shackles and bridal. Far safer and very easy to fit.
As I like to say having a suitable recovery solution and knowing how to use it is the key. The idea of just hooking onto what's available and hooking in is crazy. @RobertPepper has excellent content on the load required for a recovery. The forces are terrifying.
Some cars don't have rated recovery points available. For example, the n60 Hilux has absolutely nothing commercially available except for tow hooks.
I have a 3rd gen 4Runner with those same two recovery hooks in the front I’ve heard they are not safe to use because the bolts are weak I’ve always been curious if there is any truth to that
I did this video many years ago and have since seen evidence that these hooks can fail in a heavy recovery. If the bolts are proper grade 8 high tensile bolts they will be fine but the actual welds can fail. I have welded them out in the past to improve their strength.
Hitch pins have excellent shear strength when passing through the receiver, and through a square steel hitch. But with nothing in the receiver tube, it could bend and fly out. Better than a shackle flying back at you certainly. But I'd only do this in a pinch. Better to invest in a proper receiver shackle. They're really cheap.
***** i do see your point but they are so strong i do not see it as being an issue and it would take a Really high amount of force to bend one they are extremely hard steel so it doesnt unless there is extreme forces in which case it will sheer and have a slight bend
All fine and dandy when you are recovering a 4x4 with all sorts of tow points, with another fully capable 4x4. What to do when you simply want to help a kid out who slid into a snowy ditch from an icy road with their Honda Civic with bald tires... with your 4x4??? Where are you going to attach a strap on a crappy Honda Civic?
Hi Mate, Great question. I have had these sorts of situations come up from time to time and the way I've tackled it is. I've used chain or tree trunk protector to attach to a significant part of the suspension. Such as lower control arms or rear diff housing. It's less than ideal and can damage things like crush break lines. But I take all care and no responsibly for damage to the vehicle as long as the recovery is as safe as I can make it. In short if your not sure don't do the recovery and wait till a tow truck can do it.
You don't lol my mom's BMW couldn't find a place to pull her out my property dich
Honda Civic? You drive on past unless it's a nice Sheila. Then you give her a ride.
If you have no choice use the tow point to pull not snatch. Same no responsibility rule applies for any damage.
Use the cars tow hook points. They take the weight of the car just not shock loads. But maybe if the person is being a hoon or irresponsible enough to ditch a civic then leave them there.
Hi Matt, my front recovery points are closed ie not a hook but a "loop". It seems the only way to use them is to use D-shackles - is that ok or should i look at replacing them? If ok should the D of the shackle pass through and contact the recovery "loop" and the pin go through the strap loop or vica verca?
Hi Graeme,
They are considered ok to use. I suggest that you use a bridle between the two points for anything other than a light recovery. Just note there is a difference between a D shackle and a Bow shackle. Use a rated Bow shackle. If you can put the bow through the eye that's the best but either way is fine. Having said all that a proper designed recovery point will be the best.
Thanks
MadMatt.
Thanks mate.
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G'day Matt,
Not my first time going through your video library. would love some advice, i have my second 4x4, my first, being a Disco, that i got for free from my parents and had a long list of issues, my new one, being a D22 Navara, im a camper more then a hardcore 4x4, But, in saying that, protection is always first for me, She is stock standard, with the exception of rated recovery points, Bash plates, rock sliders. What is the next most important peice of kit to protect my investment? I have a Recovery kit, air compressor, tire deflater etc.
Cheers.
Christopher Hamilton Hi Christopher, Thanks for asking for my advise. In answer to your question I would suggest Tyres and a lift kit. Tyres because at the end of the day they are what gives you traction and therefore allows you to stay out of trouble. Suspension lift because that keeps you higher than any items that may cause you to get hung up. Have a good one mate. MadMatt.
Can you use equaliser straps on both the pulling vehicle and bogged vehicle
Hi Trevor. Yes you can. I'm not sure in what situation you would use one on a towing vehicle other than if you had to do a reverse tow which is not ideal.
I don't like hooks that hang down. You're sure to run them into things or get snagged up.
I do agree. I've since changed the way I do it for that reason. :)
Cool. Thanks for doing the great videos!!
Are air bags an issue when using snatch strap
Not to my knowledge.
Front car in 4low And in 2nd gear?
Yes
electrical tape? wdf
it did the job!
It's not load bearing. Just securing the strap in place
I would be more worried about the condition of the recovery point if they have been through that much work?
would this just happen with a regular strap with a little take off ?
You may be able to use a very small amount of momentum with a normal strap. It will have little give and give a shock load to the recovery points.
Все правильно . Так и нужно делать.
Hey Mattt, dig your videos. I dont have a winch for my 80 series. I do have a hi lift jack that I plan on using as a winch if the need would ever arise. Is using a snatch strap in conjunction with a hi lift in a winching situation a bad idea?
Hi Mate,
A high lift can certainly be used as a winch and I would suggest you test it out at home before you need it in the bush. It may be harder work than you realise. You shouldn't use a snatch strap for winching because they will stretch. You would most likely find your High lift would run out of travel before the car started to move. Have fun working it out. MadMatt.
+MadMatt4WD the terminology confuses me a bit. You have snatch straps, tow straps and recovery straps. Are recovery straps and snatch one in the same? Are recovery straps just a broad term? Eventually I'll get a bull bar and winch. But for now I have to pick and choose my battles.
+Bubblebath ::o what I'm trying to figure out is beside using a heavy duty chain. What kind of strap or rope should I use with my high lift when winching?
Hey Mate, Ok a snatch strap is an elastic strap that is only used for recoveries. Like the one I just did. A tow strap would only be used to tow a vehicle around and would have no elasticity. A recovery strap is not one I can confidently define although i believe it would be the same as a snatch strap. I hope this helps. MadMatt
You can get winch extension straps so that would be a start. They don't stretch. You probably need some chain so you can easily adjust the length. MadMatt
@MadMatt4WD I feel like you may think differently about this video now, but I don’t know. What do you think? What would you change here now? Do you ever go back and make like addendums or amendments to your older content?
Maybe that’s a cool way to make new content. ¯|_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you for what you do. I love your channel!
I certainly do think differently and there have been a few videos I’ve pulled down because I feel they’re wrong but this one is still ok imo. Thanks for the support.
Just a quick question for MadMatt. Are tow hook actually safe for snatch recoveries? I bought one from SCA and the instruction on there says not suitable for snatch recoveries
Hey Derek, Thats correct, A tow hook is exactly that a tow hook where a snatch induces much greater forces. Stay safe mate it not worth getting hurt.
Thanks MadMatt. Can I ask what you were using in the video? Because what I bought looks exactly the same as yours (with a steel flap that prevents slipping out) and was rated 4.5 tonne MLC on one hook.
Wait, so the guy that got himself stuck is in charge, he's going to tell the assist vehicle who is ahead of him, because he didn't get himself stuck, what he's going to do to help...right. If I come to your aid and you start telling me how it is, I hope you brought food and blankets.
I think you didn’t understand my point. But yes if I was on my own and you turn up to help me and I wasn’t confident you had the skills I would ask you to leave or to let me take charge. That can all be done with respect.
@@MadMatt4WD No, you turnip.
Is that a Toyota Land cruiser or a Nissan Petrol?
Toyota Landcruiser 80 series
Personally i think that when you say the person being recovered is in control of the situation, well thats bullshit, The person being recovered did something stupid, and the driver pulling them out is putting there equipment at risk to help them, that person should be in control
Hi Matthew,
A couple of thoughts,
The person who is being recovered can delegate to another person control of the recovery and this often happens. Lets face it it's usually newbies who get stuck and they don't usually know or feel confident in controlling the recovery. If I get stuck though I don't want some johnny come lately in charge of my recovery, do you?
Often when I get stuck it's because I'm pushing limits not being stupid, Pushing limits is how we learn.
As for equipment I carry my own for the recovery of my truck (I don't carry a recovery 4wd :)) If old mate whose stuck has no gear I may just leave them there unless it's life threatening or sell them my old strap at the new strap price :)
Anyway I hear what your saying and I hope this helps give some context to my thinking.
If you email me your address I'll send you a MadMatt sticker. Madmatt@madmatt4wd.com.au
Regards
MadMatt
why use such a small clevis
Which part are you calling a clevis?
The c shape steel with the pin trough it
Ok I call that a Bow shackle. These are rated for 3.5Ton so there are an acceptable devise in this sort of recovery. Maybe the video makes it look smaller than it actually is.
+MadMatt4WD it definitely does. when we recover our trucks we use what ever we have on the farm. which are rated for use for tractor recovery. non the less nice video. I plan on buying a kinetic rope soon. I think it will be nicer than using 5/16 link chain
Yes it will. You'll be amazed at how powerful a Snatch strap is over chain. watch my videos on Snatch straps.
They're not D shackles. They are called bow shackles. Do not use a D shackle for recovery.
Dave I think it would have been a slip of the tongue saying D but yes a bow shackle is best for use with a strap. A rated D shackle is still acceptable though.
the damper does not work
Correct. since filming this video I've done some testing that shows we need 5kgs of loose weight for a damper be effective.
Nothing wrong with the kinetic recovery strap demo... But why use a KRS when you have a safer winch????? IMHO dumb!!
Thanks for the attack on me :( Snatching is faster and perfectly safe. Winches are slow and have their own dangers as well.
You should NEVER use a hitch pin as a connection for your strap. The pin is not designed for that kind of force and can be deadly. Friends of mine did that and it broke, luckily only taking out a headlight and it wasn't even a hard tug, no worse than yours in the video.
Stay safe and and happy wheeling, and keep up with the videos.
NOT TRUE!!! it's the best point to connect your strap to! as it's the same idea when fitting a recovery hitch receiver to it and using bow shackle. mad matt is spot on!
eastcoastcam that pin was probably a cheap one that was not made of hardened steel or was not rated for any serious load this is why i think it is fine (i previously commented this) : i think its a perfectly safe recovery point because that pin is
extremely strong my father has 10,000 lb (4500 kilo) toyhauler and we
have towed it many times up steep grades and offroad many times, with at
times the full load of the trailer plus the added effective weight of
being on an incline on that pin and it has never failed, nor have i ever
heard of one failing. although it is not the safest with a bolt on
reciever it probably is not too bad of an idea depending on its load
rating
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little bit of over kill bro...
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its a dampener not a fucking damper. your not making bread
You're fussy.
Recovery tip FAIL!!!