Seeing Jeff rank Dynowarz was one of the main reasons I was excited to see this series. Dynowarz was a game I owned and played as a child, but had never heard anyone mention in a positive or negative manner since. So it makes sense that it would be the long title that sits right between "just okay" and "pretty bad." Now he just needs to rank the unlicensed "Dudes with Attitude" (a black-cartridge American Video Entertainment joint, if memory serves) to have both obscure NES corners of my childhood on the list.
Holy shit. This sparked a massive memory for me. I acquired an NES at one point from a friend and had Dynowarz and StarTropics. The system and games were at some point sold by my parents. But God did I have fun with those games.
I recently played the HD version of this game on Switch and I gotta say, the feeling of power I got after the first level-up left really left an impression on me. Legendary series
@@funforalgernonyes part of the experience of enjoying this game at the time was using the handbook and maps, unfortunately just picking up and playing it now like Jeff kind of removes it from the original context of how it was first meant to be played
Dragon Warrior is always burned in my mind as a game I always tried to play as a kid but couldn't really because I couldn't read. That and Faxanadu. The music and graphics will always live rent free in my head.
This was the game that taught me how to properly grind experience points. I came to it late as I owned a genesis when a friend lent it to me, and had played other RPGs, but it wasn't until Dragon Warrior that I played a game that demanded I circle the opening town/castle for a few hours and outfitting my character properly before even thinking of wandering out of eyesight of an inn. Before this game, I just assumed I sucked at Phantasy Star 2 and Shining in the Darkness. But once I broke out the old NES and put DW in, I was hooked. Still to this day, I prefer the curmudgeonly old grind-it-til-you-find-it 80s/90s RPG. Often, I find, if I can't have fun with an RPG grinding for a few hours early in the opening of the game, then I probably will become bored of it before the finale and stall out. Better I know early on that I wont want to spend 40+ hours with it.
the first game i played like that was Darklands on pc. roaming around the back alleys of the starting city killing thugs for hours to be able to afford new equipment :]
I dont know if Jeff will like this game or not, but I don't really mind. I just enjoy seeing him play one of these neat little "Console RPGs from Japan"
Love to see you do a longer video like this for Magic of Scheherazade, it's my favorite RPG on the console. Game has done things games still haven't done since like taking loans from banks that you have to pay back interest or haggling shop keeps and if you insult their prices they'll kick you out of their shops. It also let's you choose between top down Zelda combat or turn based JRPG combat. God damn it's such a good game.
I first encountered Dragon Warrior at a friend's house. He was a Nintendo Power subscriber, so I assume he got it for free. All I saw him do was walk in circles around the castle and kill monsters. I asked why he didn't go somewhere else, and he explained this was the easiest way to power up. I then told him it looked kinda boring, but he assured me it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't get into RPGs until high school when another friend talked me into trying Secret of Mana by saying it was kinda like Zelda. And speaking of Nester: Howard Phillips was very much against bringing this game to the US. NOA rated it poorly internally, but Minoru Arakawa was fixated on trying to replicate the franchise's Japanese success in the US. That fixation led to ordering 1 million cartridges, which in turn led to Nintendo just giving them away when they didn't sell.
Nice. Got an itch to play again myself, on my Analogue Pocket particularly. I heard people raving about an English translation of the Japanese SNES remake, but couldn't get it running on my Pocket. I played the Japanese version a bit to get a good feel. The art was nicer for sure, but it's still a direct slow port. I'd really recommend the GameBoy Color version these days. Not as pretty as the SNES remake, but it's done so much QoL stuff to not waste your time.
Jeff, the answer to where your pens went is your kids took them and left them in random places. Kids, babies especially, freaking love playing with pens. I’m surprised there’s not some kind of pen-like toy for kids yet like the ones they make of keys, remotes, etc.
It was cool to see Dragon Warrior get some room to breathe like this. This was the very first RPG I played from start to finish and made me a fan of the genre. I couldn't have been more than 8 years old. The grind is rough to go back to nowadays, but that was (and still is for some titles) the status quo for these games.
The tragedy of this game breaks my heart. Dragon Warrior flopped in the US not because it was a bad game, but because the US was a market that already had it's fill of rpg options. We had decade of Ultima and Wizardry. A decade and a half of the absolute phenomenon that was Dungeons & Dragons. And the hardest core of rpg computer nerds had already seen a decade of true multi-player rpg experiences in the form of MUDs. Dragon Quest drops in Japan in 1986 and is rewarded for being a friendly, accessible taste of a genre that was notoriously dour and impenetrable. It's a charming tour guide to the appeal of the D&D loop for the solo player in a country where D&D wasn't nearly as ubiquitous. But Dragon Warrior, in 1989 in the US, would have seemed like the most primitive of imitators against the wild ambition the genre was already known for. I think it's really as simple as wrong place, wrong time for a game that clearly has a lot going for it otherwise.
Hey Jeff! You might be interested in checking out the Dragon Quest 1 remake on Gameboy Color for a few minutes in a stream. It fixes a ton of quality of life issues and removes all the flowery dialogue. All the text and menus are much faster. It looks worse in some ways, better in others, also the difficulty curve is adjusted so you're not grinding slimes for an hour. The A button does what you want it to do automatically, etc... It's worth a look.
So much of nitpicking small design ideas in older games, like poison effects staying or characters needing to be resurrected, reminds me of old games like WoW or any case of a game that has the opportunity to be around long enough where they can patch out all the games nitpicks and focus on QoL updates. Then everyone stops playing because the game has zero soul left in itself and then they get an awful lot like mobile game time sinks. I sure miss days where all we complained about was too much grinding or more inventory space, now I just need to worry about how much of the game was stripped out to be sold back to me piece meal as dlc or cosmetics.
Dragon Warrior was my first RPG , I got it when I was 6 and helped me with my reading skills since I wasn’t familiar with old English dialog at the time.
My favorite weekly stream returns! It's interesting how you've been having to record at night due to your circumstances. I've been wondering if you might start referring recording at night versus the day. The kind of stuff always has its own pros and cons.
This video got Dragon Warrior stuck in my head and I had no choice but to buy the Switch version over the weekend. It felt less grindy which was nice, but the enhanced graphics and music lack the charm of the NES original. Keep up the science!
The thing about Dragon Warrior that you don't realize when you first start playing it is that it's not a particularly large world and there aren't but 6-7 different weapons/armor sets in the entire game. 560 for the Hand Axe and 1000 for the Half-Plate seems expensive because it's supposed to be, as those are meant to be mid-game items and, if you were playing the game as intended, you'd naturally earn most of that money through fights and treasures found along the way. I guess the developers thought it was fine to offer them in the second shop the player comes across because nobody would be the sort of psychopath who'd spend hours killing thousands of slimes to buy them before ever setting off on the adventure proper. They thought wrong, because I was exactly that sort of psychopath. Buck naked and armed with the cheap Bamboo Pole, I spent the first few hours grinding it out like the world's hardest working stripper till I could buy those items - only to then make it to Kol, see the Full Plate for 3000, and promptly reload my save to grind another 2 grand so I could skip the Half-Plate. And the thing is, you're practically encouraged to do it by the fact that you get free MP refills at the starting castle; as soon as you're high enough level to cast Hurt, you don't even need a weapon to grind and you can start taking on tougher and tougher enemies, earning more XP which gains you more levels for more HP and MP... Dragon Warrior is the game that started me down that sick, twisted path of playing games that way, where I'd never go with better than the cheapest or most minimal gear and just grind it out until I could make a massive tech leap. (And my obsession with completing all the side stuff in open world games before I really dig into the main story is probably an extension of that sickness.)
I had to laugh at the part about Legacy of the Wizard because I just watched Jeremy Parish's video on it this morning and it made me wonder if I've been wrong about its quality all these years- I played it when I was a kid and absolutely hated it, but I'm wondering if I just didn't understand it.
it's weird, but watching you grind slimes for like an hour makes me hype to play it again myself. well, not THIS version of this game. the fan translation of the super famicom remake.
I content-toured through Final Fantasies V and VI. Turned those games into tight 16 hour experiences. Ramping up the emulation speed might be the only way I get a JRPG finished these days.
Ahh gotcha, i thought so but haven't checked in on this serries for a while. I'm in the process of making one and would feel like an idiot if retro arch just ended up being better. @@fisk0
I've fallen behind on Ranking the NES, but as a huge Dragon Quest fan, I had to skip ahead and watch this one now. And I'm gonna come out and say it, Dragon Warrior 1, not a great game, definitely the bottom half of the list. 2, and especially 3, helped elevate the series to where it is today, but that first game is rough. There's just not a lot of game here to chew on, so about 95% of the game is grinding, there's three whole dungeons (and a tunnel), and it's just...a bummer to me. So I'm curious to see if my thoughts are accurate and filled with science, or if they're flaky and filled with emotion.
Much higher on the list than I expected, but you can't argue with science. I wonder if I'm being unfairly harsh on Dragon Warrior because of the sequels, like how I think of Assassin's Creed versus Assassin's Creed 2. AC1, when compared to the sequel, is bad. No variety, no colors, short, relatively forgettable. But is it truly bad? I don't know, but I'm gonna keep saying it is! Same with you, Dragon Warrior 1! I rated it 2/5, and I even admitted that I gave it a ratings boost because it spawned a legendary franchise. My emotions overwhelm the science, but I had fun watching the video.
There's nothing "science" about the way you compare everything to Gradius. We know it's your favorite but stop it. Oh and The Guardian Legend better get a whole ass episode too.
Hot take: Almost all JRPG's are horrendously brain dead games. Literally the worst aspects of gaming that just feed on our mental flaw to need to collect more points. They have almost zero depth despite people thinking the exact opposite because they think menus and items = complexity. 99% of the game is just mindlessly hitting the same command over and over again and then occasionally healing. Once it clicks in your head you just can't unsee it. I'd legitimately rank Dragon Warrior as one of the worst games on the console. Not only does 99% of the game require the skill of a rock it's menu system is dreadful and the "story" is generic as it gets. Would play Dinowars Destruction of Spondylus 10/10 times over Dragon Warrior.
2:48 but Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu only got 5 minutes, I think the least amount of time for any game on the entire list. It's a game with an excellent soundtrack and rewards trying to learn it to get better, like Ninja Gaiden. It's cool to see a speed run of JCAC to see the flow you can get going when you get good at it
Who would have thought that the benchmark for quality in all NES games would be Dinowars Destruction of Spondylus?
It's no Low G Man: The Low Gravity Man
Seeing Jeff rank Dynowarz was one of the main reasons I was excited to see this series. Dynowarz was a game I owned and played as a child, but had never heard anyone mention in a positive or negative manner since. So it makes sense that it would be the long title that sits right between "just okay" and "pretty bad."
Now he just needs to rank the unlicensed "Dudes with Attitude" (a black-cartridge American Video Entertainment joint, if memory serves) to have both obscure NES corners of my childhood on the list.
Holy shit. This sparked a massive memory for me. I acquired an NES at one point from a friend and had Dynowarz and StarTropics. The system and games were at some point sold by my parents. But God did I have fun with those games.
@@robertminshew I am months out and can't wait to see the Dudes with Attitudes ranking 😅
I have a distinct memory of sitting on the end of my bed as a kid grinding goldmen for better gear while listening to a Hank Williams cassette.
This has become my weekly warm blanket
Oh man, I have been waiting to see Jeff tackle Dragon Warrior or FF1 in this series. This is the holiday material we needed.
I recently played the HD version of this game on Switch and I gotta say, the feeling of power I got after the first level-up left really left an impression on me. Legendary series
My brother got dragon warrior for free with a Nintendo power subscription when I was a kid, it was a great time to be alive
What a time to be alive 🎉
SAME! That fold out map it came with was a godsend, too.
That’s how I got it. With the map and the handbook…armed with those tools, a punk like me was able to comprehend and enjoy this wild new genre.
@@funforalgernonyes part of the experience of enjoying this game at the time was using the handbook and maps, unfortunately just picking up and playing it now like Jeff kind of removes it from the original context of how it was first meant to be played
Fortune smiles upon thee.
Thou hast found a new episode of Ranking the NES.
Dragon Warrior is always burned in my mind as a game I always tried to play as a kid but couldn't really because I couldn't read. That and Faxanadu. The music and graphics will always live rent free in my head.
Zelda 2 for me. I was in the French immersion program at school and couldn't read English.
Ah yeah, the game Ichiban Kasuga built his whole personality around.
"Jeff chanted the spell of HURT" yeah you tell that scorpion he can have your empire of dirt
Dragon warrior 1 is surprisingly playable still. I played through 1-5 a few years ago and enjoyed them all (even 2!)
This was the game that taught me how to properly grind experience points. I came to it late as I owned a genesis when a friend lent it to me, and had played other RPGs, but it wasn't until Dragon Warrior that I played a game that demanded I circle the opening town/castle for a few hours and outfitting my character properly before even thinking of wandering out of eyesight of an inn. Before this game, I just assumed I sucked at Phantasy Star 2 and Shining in the Darkness. But once I broke out the old NES and put DW in, I was hooked. Still to this day, I prefer the curmudgeonly old grind-it-til-you-find-it 80s/90s RPG. Often, I find, if I can't have fun with an RPG grinding for a few hours early in the opening of the game, then I probably will become bored of it before the finale and stall out. Better I know early on that I wont want to spend 40+ hours with it.
the first game i played like that was Darklands on pc. roaming around the back alleys of the starting city killing thugs for hours to be able to afford new equipment :]
Love this game, this series, this video, this series!
I dont know if Jeff will like this game or not, but I don't really mind.
I just enjoy seeing him play one of these neat little "Console RPGs from Japan"
captain Tsubasa is the game id love seeing him play but his rule of no Japan-only games is rough.
Love to see you do a longer video like this for Magic of Scheherazade, it's my favorite RPG on the console. Game has done things games still haven't done since like taking loans from banks that you have to pay back interest or haggling shop keeps and if you insult their prices they'll kick you out of their shops. It also let's you choose between top down Zelda combat or turn based JRPG combat. God damn it's such a good game.
hey maybe you'll come out through all this as the world's biggest nobunaga's ambition enthusiast, who can say
How often do men think about the destruction of Spondylus? Personally, fridays.
For better and worse, being born in 1986, Dragon Warrior played a significant role in me learning to read.
I first encountered Dragon Warrior at a friend's house. He was a Nintendo Power subscriber, so I assume he got it for free. All I saw him do was walk in circles around the castle and kill monsters. I asked why he didn't go somewhere else, and he explained this was the easiest way to power up. I then told him it looked kinda boring, but he assured me it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't get into RPGs until high school when another friend talked me into trying Secret of Mana by saying it was kinda like Zelda.
And speaking of Nester: Howard Phillips was very much against bringing this game to the US. NOA rated it poorly internally, but Minoru Arakawa was fixated on trying to replicate the franchise's Japanese success in the US. That fixation led to ordering 1 million cartridges, which in turn led to Nintendo just giving them away when they didn't sell.
So happy to see DW getting the time it needs to get its hooks in you
Nice. Got an itch to play again myself, on my Analogue Pocket particularly.
I heard people raving about an English translation of the Japanese SNES remake, but couldn't get it running on my Pocket. I played the Japanese version a bit to get a good feel. The art was nicer for sure, but it's still a direct slow port.
I'd really recommend the GameBoy Color version these days. Not as pretty as the SNES remake, but it's done so much QoL stuff to not waste your time.
Jeff, the answer to where your pens went is your kids took them and left them in random places. Kids, babies especially, freaking love playing with pens. I’m surprised there’s not some kind of pen-like toy for kids yet like the ones they make of keys, remotes, etc.
It was cool to see Dragon Warrior get some room to breathe like this. This was the very first RPG I played from start to finish and made me a fan of the genre. I couldn't have been more than 8 years old. The grind is rough to go back to nowadays, but that was (and still is for some titles) the status quo for these games.
Honestly I really hope he keeps playing this. This was surprisingly fun to watch.
If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that pen weirdos are weird.
I'd absolutely watch an entire Jeff LP of Dragon Warrior, w/ or w/out cheats.
Thanks for squeezing time in your holiday week do this Ranking episode!
Happy New Year to you and your family Jeff. See you in the Dawn of 24.
The tragedy of this game breaks my heart. Dragon Warrior flopped in the US not because it was a bad game, but because the US was a market that already had it's fill of rpg options. We had decade of Ultima and Wizardry. A decade and a half of the absolute phenomenon that was Dungeons & Dragons. And the hardest core of rpg computer nerds had already seen a decade of true multi-player rpg experiences in the form of MUDs.
Dragon Quest drops in Japan in 1986 and is rewarded for being a friendly, accessible taste of a genre that was notoriously dour and impenetrable. It's a charming tour guide to the appeal of the D&D loop for the solo player in a country where D&D wasn't nearly as ubiquitous. But Dragon Warrior, in 1989 in the US, would have seemed like the most primitive of imitators against the wild ambition the genre was already known for. I think it's really as simple as wrong place, wrong time for a game that clearly has a lot going for it otherwise.
First JRPG I played. Blown away by how different the game was. Forced you to think differently about playing games.
Watching this brings back great memories of Dragon Quest XI and Bongo Drongo. Really good game.
Bongo Drongo is great... but it's no Lump Wizard
Hey Jeff! You might be interested in checking out the Dragon Quest 1 remake on Gameboy Color for a few minutes in a stream. It fixes a ton of quality of life issues and removes all the flowery dialogue. All the text and menus are much faster. It looks worse in some ways, better in others, also the difficulty curve is adjusted so you're not grinding slimes for an hour. The A button does what you want it to do automatically, etc... It's worth a look.
Anyone else remember the special Nintendo Power strategy guide pullout for this game?
So much of nitpicking small design ideas in older games, like poison effects staying or characters needing to be resurrected, reminds me of old games like WoW or any case of a game that has the opportunity to be around long enough where they can patch out all the games nitpicks and focus on QoL updates. Then everyone stops playing because the game has zero soul left in itself and then they get an awful lot like mobile game time sinks. I sure miss days where all we complained about was too much grinding or more inventory space, now I just need to worry about how much of the game was stripped out to be sold back to me piece meal as dlc or cosmetics.
This is my favorite NES game.
The Zebra F-301 is my favorite pen!
Dragon Warrior was my first RPG , I got it when I was 6 and helped me with my reading skills since I wasn’t familiar with old English dialog at the time.
Dragon Warrior music is a comfortable pair of old shoes.
My favorite weekly stream returns! It's interesting how you've been having to record at night due to your circumstances. I've been wondering if you might start referring recording at night versus the day. The kind of stuff always has its own pros and cons.
Lol, My pen!!! One of the best sketches!
That 1 HP deathmarch is Dragon Warrior in a nutshell. 1:50:44
The remastered switch version of this is actually pretty nice. Finished it last year 👍
Despite the shaky first steps Dragon Warrior 3 is one of the best things on the console.
Game aged from a 9/10 to a 10/10.
I have become… the Dragon Warrior
This video got Dragon Warrior stuck in my head and I had no choice but to buy the Switch version over the weekend. It felt less grindy which was nice, but the enhanced graphics and music lack the charm of the NES original. Keep up the science!
Jeff coming in clutch with the hot videos while under the influence of a raging fever.
I could watch Jeff Gerstmann play Dragon Quest all day
I never realized how much music DW and EVO basically shared.
ooh, been looking forward to this one
Wouldst thou like to live, dragonly?
Wouldst Sir Jeff finish thine Quest?
Heal and Hurt knuckle tats had me rollin
The thing about Dragon Warrior that you don't realize when you first start playing it is that it's not a particularly large world and there aren't but 6-7 different weapons/armor sets in the entire game. 560 for the Hand Axe and 1000 for the Half-Plate seems expensive because it's supposed to be, as those are meant to be mid-game items and, if you were playing the game as intended, you'd naturally earn most of that money through fights and treasures found along the way. I guess the developers thought it was fine to offer them in the second shop the player comes across because nobody would be the sort of psychopath who'd spend hours killing thousands of slimes to buy them before ever setting off on the adventure proper. They thought wrong, because I was exactly that sort of psychopath. Buck naked and armed with the cheap Bamboo Pole, I spent the first few hours grinding it out like the world's hardest working stripper till I could buy those items - only to then make it to Kol, see the Full Plate for 3000, and promptly reload my save to grind another 2 grand so I could skip the Half-Plate. And the thing is, you're practically encouraged to do it by the fact that you get free MP refills at the starting castle; as soon as you're high enough level to cast Hurt, you don't even need a weapon to grind and you can start taking on tougher and tougher enemies, earning more XP which gains you more levels for more HP and MP...
Dragon Warrior is the game that started me down that sick, twisted path of playing games that way, where I'd never go with better than the cheapest or most minimal gear and just grind it out until I could make a massive tech leap. (And my obsession with completing all the side stuff in open world games before I really dig into the main story is probably an extension of that sickness.)
I had to laugh at the part about Legacy of the Wizard because I just watched Jeremy Parish's video on it this morning and it made me wonder if I've been wrong about its quality all these years- I played it when I was a kid and absolutely hated it, but I'm wondering if I just didn't understand it.
Criminal Elament - Hit 'Em Where It HURT
Take care and tempt not the fates.
came for the nes ranking, stayed for the pen talk
it's weird, but watching you grind slimes for like an hour makes me hype to play it again myself.
well, not THIS version of this game. the fan translation of the super famicom remake.
I just remember DQ being really fiddly with its menus.
I didn’t power off my copy of dragon warriors, and I lots my save right before t’he llast boss.
Jeff "HEAL HURT" Gerstmann
A game I still consider worth playing but the modern ports are the way to go. Greatly reduced the grinding.
What system or emulator are these games being played on?
I think he’s using bizhawk on retroarch for retroachivements.
Thank you. @@steve43ful
I content-toured through Final Fantasies V and VI. Turned those games into tight 16 hour experiences. Ramping up the emulation speed might be the only way I get a JRPG finished these days.
The "Olde English" translation is always so hard for me to get past in games. Even Octopath Traveler has lost me every time I've tried to play it
I was really afraid Triangle Strategy would suffer this issue as well but thankfully that translation really grabbed me
@@haughtygarbage5848I've been meaning to check it out! I'll keep an eye out for it on sale
Ok maybe a stupid comment but does anyone know why Jeff abandoned the Mister FPGA?
I believe it was mostly for the lack of retroachievement support.
Ahh gotcha, i thought so but haven't checked in on this serries for a while. I'm in the process of making one and would feel like an idiot if retro arch just ended up being better. @@fisk0
Hahahahah knuckle tats of heal and hurt. Hahahaha
I've fallen behind on Ranking the NES, but as a huge Dragon Quest fan, I had to skip ahead and watch this one now. And I'm gonna come out and say it, Dragon Warrior 1, not a great game, definitely the bottom half of the list. 2, and especially 3, helped elevate the series to where it is today, but that first game is rough. There's just not a lot of game here to chew on, so about 95% of the game is grinding, there's three whole dungeons (and a tunnel), and it's just...a bummer to me. So I'm curious to see if my thoughts are accurate and filled with science, or if they're flaky and filled with emotion.
Much higher on the list than I expected, but you can't argue with science. I wonder if I'm being unfairly harsh on Dragon Warrior because of the sequels, like how I think of Assassin's Creed versus Assassin's Creed 2. AC1, when compared to the sequel, is bad. No variety, no colors, short, relatively forgettable. But is it truly bad? I don't know, but I'm gonna keep saying it is! Same with you, Dragon Warrior 1! I rated it 2/5, and I even admitted that I gave it a ratings boost because it spawned a legendary franchise. My emotions overwhelm the science, but I had fun watching the video.
The over world theme is a couple of notes away from the ocarina temple of time melody and it’s driving me potty
I get that it was ground breaking and all... but I think I'd rather play Willow.
There's nothing "science" about the way you compare everything to Gradius. We know it's your favorite but stop it. Oh and The Guardian Legend better get a whole ass episode too.
Jeff's refusal to use CRT filters or fix the overscan on the screen screen hurts my heart.
I, too, wish he'd use bullshit effects to make me think of how I think the past looked.
@@threeo8314 play on a CRT. You generally won't see all that shit at the edges of the screen.
Hot take: Almost all JRPG's are horrendously brain dead games. Literally the worst aspects of gaming that just feed on our mental flaw to need to collect more points. They have almost zero depth despite people thinking the exact opposite because they think menus and items = complexity. 99% of the game is just mindlessly hitting the same command over and over again and then occasionally healing. Once it clicks in your head you just can't unsee it. I'd legitimately rank Dragon Warrior as one of the worst games on the console. Not only does 99% of the game require the skill of a rock it's menu system is dreadful and the "story" is generic as it gets. Would play Dinowars Destruction of Spondylus 10/10 times over Dragon Warrior.
It's even more jank than I expected
2:48 but Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu only got 5 minutes, I think the least amount of time for any game on the entire list. It's a game with an excellent soundtrack and rewards trying to learn it to get better, like Ninja Gaiden. It's cool to see a speed run of JCAC to see the flow you can get going when you get good at it