Your a blessing, i have the same problem you had after it’s first service. Furious and extremely disappointed at my dealer who i thought i could trust. After watching your video, for the 3rd time i hope i am confident enough to do it myself, but it is a bloody shame the KTM dealer charged me 300 euro’s for a shitty job. Love waiting your videos keep it up, they are fantastic, and for a lady like with 2 left hands, its a motivator to do some maintenance myself.
Hello there! and thanks for the comment and watching my stuff. Its always great to hear its helped and even fun to watch :) YES it is very unfortunate our experience with regards to dealership and chain tension. Definitely worth checking and doing yourself whenever it comes back from a dealer service. I was very mad when I collected my bike after the 600 miles service. As you can see from my video. After that I make sure I check everything in detail whenever it comes back. And its not a cheap service either. If you take your time and even refer back to the video AND always check the Owners Manual which contains the process (You can download the KTM manual from KTM for free too). And make sure you have the correct tools like a Torque Wrench to ensure the nuts are tightened up to the correct torque settings. Once you have purchased these you have them for life. (They are not expensive but always make sure you back them back to zero when finished). You can do it! Be positive! Got to start somewhere and to be honest I think setting chain tension is one nearly every one starts with. After all its just loosening nuts, pulling or pushing the wheel to adjust tension, and tightening up! Good luck! Ric
HI Ric thanks for the great video having had a gsa for 8 years and a shaft drive this will be my first chain adjustment having your video available means i can do it with confidence, keep them coming.
Hiya Steve! Welcome to the dark side haha.. and thank you for the feedback mate. Pleased to hear you found the content I've put up here helpful 😀 Hope you have as much fun on the ktm as I have.. it's an amazing bike 👍 Cheers again Ric
Hey there Frank! Welcome and cheers for the feedback 👍 good luck with your SAS! Am sure it will bring some big grins. GS a top bike for sure but the 1290 is somewhat a different spirit albeit in the same class. Cheers Ric
Supp Ricardo mate. Really like and appreciate your channel. I ended up picking up a 2021 1290 few weeks back. Running sweet and no complaints although i had a 2017 from new for 6 years, no issues. No issues with this one either except... While I acknowledge we don't own the smoothest sounding bikes, mine has a real rattle and roll about it. When I pull in clutch and just roll.. The noises from chain fade out, when i release it they're back but diminished until I gas it. Then it locks in and the noises return. Sound like a chain and sprock issue. I went to dealer today and after performing and mentioning your point with the tension guide, and doing it correctly as you have shown here also, he also added some lube in the chain guide area . After rolling out and getting off home, no change, rattle n roll remains. Its at 14k kms now although my last 1290 i bought from new got me 27k so i didnt think to even question heavy wear on new 1290. Anyhow, wondering what to do now. Gonna hit the dealer up again but Im worried it may be something worse, hoping not. They're a decent dealer, but cash is cash at end of day. Also, I get movement side to side quite a bit while testing with hand on centre stand. Theres movement of back sprocket as well but not such that I see light when pulling chain backward at rear of sprocket. Not sure man...
Hello bud! great to hear from you and sorry for the late reply. And congrats on the bike glad you liking it aside from the noises. To be fair your dealer technicians will know a lot more than me about the bike. as I am no tech. However these engines are kind of noisy as you know yourself having on before. The chain clacking that I know of is the chain slapping the rubbing strip. As to honest I have never seen a chain so close to a rubbing strip (underside) as on these bikes. I dont think you will get around that issues regardless of having the correct chain tension. This is all the noise cold be if coming from chain and sprocket area I think.. But the rattle.. Its just the clunking of that LC8. If the dealer has given it the clear there is not much else to say. Mine was noisey at aroiund 14,000 miles. But even my Yam R1 crossplane was dam rickety too albeit with more mileage. SO I think if it rides ok and you are not get any other symptopms that the dealer has not spotted then just ride it and enjoy. But uyour doing the right thing getting the dealer to check it again as these are stupid expensive bikes :) Good luck Ric
So to eyeball it before grabbing the tools in a parking lot on the center stand , looking at the half circle cut where the screw driver is inserted, if the top of the chain is flush with that circles, hook/pointy tooth on the bottom then chain is good. If below, too loose , and if above then too tight, hence tell tale sign to get screw driver to confirm when on center stand. Based on image at 6:54.
one thing to mention you need a 32mm socket for wheel nut i just bought one. my chain is as yours but i get a lot of chain slap guess I'm not used to it as my last 11 bikes were all shafts
Yes Derek my apologies am kinda new to this stuff on putting public videos out! I usually just look after myself all these years and now will give more thought 👍 but agree I used my 32mm from My Tiger XCA days. Thanks for mentioning as other can see on these comments. And I will also add this to the video description 👍👍👍
Hello, i ve lost that chain measuring plastic part during ride. I have uninstalled it a few times, because of more place to clean and lube the chain and inner screw was tore down on both screws, so it has not hold well. Is it an important part or i can forget about it and how can i measure my chain tension now?
My '22 SAS chain is too tight. I have 1700 miles on it now. At low speed there is a racket from the chain/guide. On the center stand today the rear wheel does not have much freedom in rotation. I feel kinda dumb for not checking it earlier. I have a Motion Pro wheel balancer that I have used on my other motorcycles. It is very easy to use and I will also be checking the tire balance too. Thanks for posting.
Hiya Scottie sorry to hear it mate but don’t beat yourself up over it. To be fair it’s brand new and you’d think you wouldn’t have to check it in all honesty. I checked mine out of pure coincidence and was alarmed. I always check mine now going forward. As for the noise while on the centre stand that’s normal it’s just the chain moving around the sprockets and chain rubbing strip. Mine does it (if it’s the same sound I’m thinking) 👍
Hello everyone. I retired the bike 5 days ago and I feel a noise or knock from the chain. I think that's what it is.. on the lower left side, just from grabbing a slight imperfection. I don't know if it's just my bike or if they all do it. I feel the knock in the swingarm. Is this normal? Thank you
Merci mon ami, j'essaie et c'est amusant et j'apprends ce vélo pour moi aussi ! Je suis heureux que vous les appréciez et que vous les trouviez utiles. Je préfère toujours un guide vidéo rapide à utiliser avec un manuel. Je trouve que ça aide un peu plus. Je travaille sur tous mes vélos depuis des années, donc bien que ce soit un nouveau vélo, les principes sont à peu près les mêmes. Merci encore. Ric !
Morning Ric , just had the same problem as you . The bike was serviced then on the way home I heard a squeaking noise. Chain far too tight. On top of that quick shifter not working plus radiator fluid half empty. Not a happy bunny as bike was supposed to have been test rode . Think it's just a ticking exercise for them . Ggggrrrrr
Yeah mate gotta keep an eye on everything that comes back after a service. And that’s. It just with ktm but all dealers in general. Only you love your bike as much as you will and have a financial vested interest. And to be fair I have seen some of manuals and they can be a little ambiguous in explanations. But I always check now and make sure “I’m happy with it” 👍
Was told that the rivet on the chain was supposed to align where you have the screwdriver…? Damn shame dealer smh, makes sense it has a screwdriver on the guide. Thanks 🍻
Hi Ricardo, Today i had my 620 mile first service with my KTM dealer and i questioned about the chain tension as i thought it was too tight! However he told me that your method of checking tension is wrong... From the technicians KTM Manual you put the screwdriver in the slot underneath the chain and lift the chain up . The correct tension is when the screwdriver is horizontal UNDER the chain without using excessive lifting force.
Hello mate thank you for sharing that. That is a sure way to screw your output shaft seals. The tension will be so overnight 😫 I have just sat with a colleague and both checked the manual and clearly shows a picture of how the screwdriver should be positioned relative to the chain and swing arm (also referred to as link fork in the manual). I will post something up a photo in the community section showing you direct from official 1290 manual. This channel is my channel independent of where and what I do for work. So won't be getting them involved in this. However I will say something if someone is saying I am wrong when I am clearly not. 👍
@@RicardoYeep ...I spoke directly to the technician who carried out the work, he swears that the way he does it is correct...I told him i was totally confused, but he says the hain will be way to slack any other way
@@fjrboy No problem. I won't comment further as prefer not to criticisize. All I'll say is I've posted a post in the community section with pics and extract. Tell me if that makes sense pls. 👍 I had my chain like your when I collected it and was offered any damages to be covered if there any as a result of an over tight chain last year. It was like a banjo string it was so tight
@@RicardoYeep ...thanks, just read it,....I concur with you, the diagram explain the correct position of screwdriver...I am now concerned and will be contacting KTM in the morning
Hiya Ben! Sorry mate I don’t think you can simply swap in one of these. The geometry of the bike is different and so in your manual there will be a specified way for chain adjustment and monitoring. Definitely not something I’d recommend personally. 🙏
Hello in the manual is that you should apply pressure to the screwdriver in as much that the screw driver should sit horizontal to the floor. This represents the correct chain tension. (Sorry for late reply!) Thanks, Ric
I liked your video about the chain adjustment. I wonder if you have heard about handlebar wobbles at about 50mph. This is happening on my SAS. If you have come across this I would like to know how to fix it.
Hello mate sorry for the late reply. Yes I did have speed wobble but was at higher 3 digit speeds. I managed to reduce mine with the odd tweek. But to be honest I am still not entirely sure if my tweaks had that much of an effect or it was road conditions combined. I dont ride in 3 digts anyway so has not really affected me. Good luck sorting it though as low speed would surely annoy me too :(
Hello! No problem and is a pleasure to help. And thank you for dropping me a message. Any questions drop me message and I will do what I can to help. Cheers mate!
I've just checked my chain lmao. Its going in for its first service tomorrow and I will be mentioning it to them. The chain is well over the guide and showing as too tight but yet the chain is loose ? I haven't touched it as of yet, so I'm hoping if the chain is stretched they will replace it or rectify 🤔🤣
Haha I see that all the time mate. Also it may seem a bit loose on the centre stand but I’m guessing you checked it when it’s off the stand. On the stand is just the guide / measure. There’s less slack more tension when off the stand. I doubt they will give you a new chain but good luck with that one. With a well tight chain my concerns are not a new chain but more on the shaft and bearings and engine before the front sprocket as that can be under massive pressures if chain over tight. Cause abnormal wear of bearings and seals. Good luck though and let us know what they say 👍👍🤝 Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep will see what the chain looks like off centre stand. If its not right still I will be voicing concern over it. The bike should be given to customers in perfect working order and everything set to manufacturers settings. BTW loving these videos pal. Maybe do some test ride videos on the other ktm models 🤔😁
Totally agree 100% mate. It’s very disappointing. If you don’t have wheel weights on your rim. I guarantee your wheels are not balanced either 👍 And yeah plan to have a blast out on few I’m of the others. Actually I am interested in testing the multistrada but a lot down to time permitting now my work pattern has changed. Sucks big time 😂… thanks for the positivity though mate! Much appreciated 🤝
Yes any chain on a bike I’ve owned I always lubricate. Personally I just use spray lube or you can get a scotoiler system if you are that way inclined and like spending a bit 👍
Hi Paul. sorry for the delay in gettin back (life got in the way). But as for my tiles. they are just the spongey neoprene type clip to gether type. Cheap as chips. And no my floor is not level but is most certainly desirable. I have a few bouncy parts where the floor dips. Hope that answers it for you? All the best Ric
Hi I was at a ktm dealership and was told that the rivets on the chain has to be level with the cut out notch as the picture on the chain tenchion guard shows Hope this helps
Hi Paul thanks but I personally disagree. It does seem open to interpretation. However if you read the manual that notch Is for inserting a screw driver.. so practically speaking just based of that alone the rivet “won’t” be in line with the notch regardless of interpretation.. The interesting part is the screw driver should be pushing down on the chain and be “level” horizontal to ground at correct tension. The ambiguous part is how much tension should you be applying to make it horizontal?!! 🤦♂️ Either way I always apply reasonable pressure to gain horizontal state. I’m happy with that. Cheers Ric PS you’ll get a different opinion at different dealers lol.. believe me I’ve asked this at different places 🤣
Hey Ricardo, many thanks for all your vids, super useful. I came across this when looking to check my chain ( just hit 1000miles ) . Initially I thought it might have been too tight from the dealer but using a small spirit level on the screwdriver and pushing the screwdriver down on the top of the chain to make it taught ( as per the manual ) it is level with a reasonable amount of pressure , when I remove the screwdriver the chain moves up slightly as no longer under pressure and the rivet is now directly in line with the cut out when measured with the spirit level 🤷🏼♂️
Hello my friend! Thanks for watching my channel. yes these are very cool design indeed and makes it a lot clearer and specific to measure slack against. Not sure it would be transferale though as these new 2021 apparently have a slight extended swing arm aswell as a different geometry with the engine. The tension measurment point would have been specifically designed for this model (I would assme). Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep not that it was difficult to adjust on the older model, but this is much quicker and no other tools (I'm using motion pro slacker now)...I had test ride on this newer model, quite liked it especially the suspension/handling. Felt more balanced and front no chatter as I have on mine now. After many years I still wasn't able to get to the bottom of it and fix. For me this is the only big point of switching to new model.
@@Dimaniaxx yes the bike is so balanced and feels a lot lighter to move around than it should! The bladder fuel cells and low centre of gravity have a massive affect on handling. Combined with the slightly longer swing arm and engine rotated forwards. All together make a much more refined machine. The semi active suspension is amazing in my opinion. You really do feel the difference instantly at a push if a button. I have the tech pack and the customisation available is fantastic. Don’t forget the quick shifter! That’s butter smooth. There’s a lot going on with this S model. It’s the first bike I’d say is a real do all bike… it’s sensible when you want…and a right hooligan track day weapon in the right hands 👍
Hello Ricardo! I am experiencing a problem with my 1290 SAR 2021. In low rpms when I open the throttle I have multiple jerks...I am thinking it's this slight chain tension adjust but I am justing shooting this out check if anyone else does have the same issue. Especially in rain mode when I accelerate in low rpms the bike jerks so much that some times is dangerous if you are in a turn. I managed to reduce this behavior yesterday by turning the mtc and msr off and the abs in off-road mode. It seemed fine until a tight turn with low speed in 2nd gear tried to test it in this scenario and it did it again. Thank you.
Hello Abjure. Thanks for the message my friend! I have to say I personally have not experienced this. But have experience other issues equally as alarming. Unfortunately if you think there is a danger to how the bike is performing you really need to take it back to KTM and get them to inspect and test the bike. And also rectify this. Home diagnostic or online advice is and can be useful but anything like this on a brand new model bike which is still under warranty you take it back and get them to check. The only similar effect I have what you explained is if your in the wrong gear and need to change down. Sounds similar to a laboured engine. These big vtwin engines don’t like being laboured. Sorry if that doesn’t help you. But I do not have or experienced this. Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep quick update. I went to KTM they plugged it to the computer it shows that an update for the engine have been released and need to be done. My appointment the next Tuesday, I will keep you updated. Thank you!
@@RicardoYeep today KTM did the update, the engine is running smoother a bit more powerful (I think) BUT the problem not solved. The technician believes the next step is to replace the throttle twist probably it is going to be covered under the warranty. This bike really is the best to ride but when you buy it of a premium price and the issues are coming from day 1 I am disappointed.
@@Abjure_0_ Ah hello again thank you very much for sharing this info. I have someone experiencing this same problem and they are also trying to fault find. In fact two bikes purchased at same dealers have same issue. It seems everyone is trying to figure it out with no definitive answer. I will pass on this update from you to him and get him to see if he follows this thread! Thanks!.
Hiya Simon. Hmmm awkward one.. Yes there have been some things that I am not pleased about (understatement). I am trying not to think about it given this platform that has so grown fast. As i feel I could go to town on the things I have picked up myself caused by a poor PDI or Tech work on the bike that was not quite up to scratch. They have tried to make good and have helped me since.. So wont go down the name and shame route on that. I know these guys since lock down ceased are flat out and lucky to be in business still (some of them). And some running on short staff as a result. I am not being overly sympathetic but at the same time realistic. And they acknowledged errors and made good in some way. Which is good. Plus no harm came to me or the bike so again thats all good. Any other situation its a different ball park! Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep its good they acknowledge where they haven`t met the correct standards they did not try to cover up. i own a gt but enjoy watching your videos this bike is on my list of next possibilities
@@simonbeal2148 Excellent to hear it the bike is definitely one of the most fun bikes I have owned. There is nothing in its class that gives as much in my opinion. However you already will be ware of KTM ownership experience lol.. Lets hope there are not too many woes on this one! :) Thanks again for liking the vids!
Unfortunately, this method does not work for me... If I adjust the chain like this, it hangs a lot and rattles to much. Tried several times following these instructions, no good...
They are known for chain slap sound. Even pushing down off a curb it makes a slap. Check your manual it will be there too. Long after this video was made like a year later I ended up working at a KTm dealer for last 2 and half years. I just now (literally) confirmed this with the technicians just to be doubly sure. And it’s the right way 👍 Bike on side stand screwdriver in slot above chain and apply pressure that gets the screwdriver horizon to the floor 👍
Thanks for the answer and well done for the effort! But in Serbia, an authorized service center cuts the chain so that the screwdriver looks straight into the middle of the chain. A friend in Austria has the same case. I bought a 1290 sas 10 days ago, and the chain was adjusted that way at the KTM service. No unpleasant clapping.
That sounds a little odd to me? Why would anybody cut any chain on a brand new bike to adjust chain slack? There is enough adjustment by pulling the wheel back a little to get any desired tension! Instead cutting is shorter? Sorry but I would not be taking my bike anywhere near a dealer that does this. So KTM are selling brand new bikes where you need to cut chain. 👀 never heard of before 🧐 But if your happy then that’s all that matters 👍
@@RicardoYeep it was bad english translation from my language, sorry There is no cutting, just adjusting but on center on chain, no under, no over. Thats I wanted to say
Your a blessing, i have the same problem you had after it’s first service. Furious and extremely disappointed at my dealer who i thought i could trust.
After watching your video, for the 3rd time i hope i am confident enough to do it myself, but it is a bloody shame the KTM dealer charged me 300 euro’s for a shitty job.
Love waiting your videos keep it up, they are fantastic, and for a lady like with 2 left hands, its a motivator to do some maintenance myself.
Hello there! and thanks for the comment and watching my stuff. Its always great to hear its helped and even fun to watch :) YES it is very unfortunate our experience with regards to dealership and chain tension. Definitely worth checking and doing yourself whenever it comes back from a dealer service. I was very mad when I collected my bike after the 600 miles service. As you can see from my video. After that I make sure I check everything in detail whenever it comes back. And its not a cheap service either. If you take your time and even refer back to the video AND always check the Owners Manual which contains the process (You can download the KTM manual from KTM for free too). And make sure you have the correct tools like a Torque Wrench to ensure the nuts are tightened up to the correct torque settings. Once you have purchased these you have them for life. (They are not expensive but always make sure you back them back to zero when finished).
You can do it! Be positive! Got to start somewhere and to be honest I think setting chain tension is one nearly every one starts with. After all its just loosening nuts, pulling or pushing the wheel to adjust tension, and tightening up!
Good luck!
Ric
HI Ric thanks for the great video having had a gsa for 8 years and a shaft drive this will be my first chain adjustment having your video available means i can do it with confidence, keep them coming.
Hiya Steve! Welcome to the dark side haha.. and thank you for the feedback mate. Pleased to hear you found the content I've put up here helpful 😀
Hope you have as much fun on the ktm as I have.. it's an amazing bike 👍
Cheers again
Ric
Great vids on this and 1290 generally. Just coming back to a chain (on a '21 1290 SAS) from years on a GS so this was just what I needed. Many thanks
Hey there Frank! Welcome and cheers for the feedback 👍 good luck with your SAS! Am sure it will bring some big grins. GS a top bike for sure but the 1290 is somewhat a different spirit albeit in the same class.
Cheers
Ric
Supp Ricardo mate. Really like and appreciate your channel. I ended up picking up a 2021 1290 few weeks back. Running sweet and no complaints although i had a 2017 from new for 6 years, no issues. No issues with this one either except... While I acknowledge we don't own the smoothest sounding bikes, mine has a real rattle and roll about it. When I pull in clutch and just roll.. The noises from chain fade out, when i release it they're back but diminished until I gas it. Then it locks in and the noises return. Sound like a chain and sprock issue. I went to dealer today and after performing and mentioning your point with the tension guide, and doing it correctly as you have shown here also, he also added some lube in the chain guide area . After rolling out and getting off home, no change, rattle n roll remains. Its at 14k kms now although my last 1290 i bought from new got me 27k so i didnt think to even question heavy wear on new 1290. Anyhow, wondering what to do now. Gonna hit the dealer up again but Im worried it may be something worse, hoping not. They're a decent dealer, but cash is cash at end of day. Also, I get movement side to side quite a bit while testing with hand on centre stand. Theres movement of back sprocket as well but not such that I see light when pulling chain backward at rear of sprocket. Not sure man...
Hello bud! great to hear from you and sorry for the late reply. And congrats on the bike glad you liking it aside from the noises. To be fair your dealer technicians will know a lot more than me about the bike. as I am no tech. However these engines are kind of noisy as you know yourself having on before. The chain clacking that I know of is the chain slapping the rubbing strip. As to honest I have never seen a chain so close to a rubbing strip (underside) as on these bikes. I dont think you will get around that issues regardless of having the correct chain tension. This is all the noise cold be if coming from chain and sprocket area I think.. But the rattle.. Its just the clunking of that LC8. If the dealer has given it the clear there is not much else to say. Mine was noisey at aroiund 14,000 miles. But even my Yam R1 crossplane was dam rickety too albeit with more mileage. SO I think if it rides ok and you are not get any other symptopms that the dealer has not spotted then just ride it and enjoy. But uyour doing the right thing getting the dealer to check it again as these are stupid expensive bikes :)
Good luck
Ric
Cool, I was always struggling with wheel alignment on my other bikes. This one though, looks pretty simple. Big thank you again!
No problem 👍
So to eyeball it before grabbing the tools in a parking lot on the center stand , looking at the half circle cut where the screw driver is inserted, if the top of the chain is flush with that circles, hook/pointy tooth on the bottom then chain is good. If below, too loose , and if above then too tight, hence tell tale sign to get screw driver to confirm when on center stand. Based on image at 6:54.
Another amazing video from my KTM 1290 SAS bible! Thank you so much!
Hiya Matthew! Thankyou kindly mate. Appreciated the feedback 👍
Cheers
Ric
one thing to mention you need a 32mm socket for wheel nut i just bought one. my chain is as yours but i get a lot of chain slap guess I'm not used to it as my last 11 bikes were all shafts
Yes Derek my apologies am kinda new to this stuff on putting public videos out! I usually just look after myself all these years and now will give more thought 👍 but agree I used my 32mm from My Tiger XCA days. Thanks for mentioning as other can see on these comments. And I will also add this to the video description 👍👍👍
Thanks a lot Ricardo! Greetings from Costa Rica
Nice one my friend and thanks for the comment and watching the vid 🙏. All the best, Ric
Hello, i ve lost that chain measuring plastic part during ride. I have uninstalled it a few times, because of more place to clean and lube the chain and inner screw was tore down on both screws, so it has not hold well. Is it an important part or i can forget about it and how can i measure my chain tension now?
Another fine video instruction set to use for the shop! Thank you Ric!
Cheers Clifton. Appreciated thr feedback 🤝
My '22 SAS chain is too tight. I have 1700 miles on it now. At low speed there is a racket from the chain/guide. On the center stand today the rear wheel does not have much freedom in rotation. I feel kinda dumb for not checking it earlier. I have a Motion Pro wheel balancer that I have used on my other motorcycles. It is very easy to use and I will also be checking the tire balance too. Thanks for posting.
Hiya Scottie sorry to hear it mate but don’t beat yourself up over it. To be fair it’s brand new and you’d think you wouldn’t have to check it in all honesty. I checked mine out of pure coincidence and was alarmed. I always check mine now going forward. As for the noise while on the centre stand that’s normal it’s just the chain moving around the sprockets and chain rubbing strip. Mine does it (if it’s the same sound I’m thinking) 👍
Thanks for this, keep them coming
Hello mate! Thank you kindly for the feedback. Much appreciated 👍 all the best, Ric
Thank you for this. Great video!
Hiya bud! Thanks for the comment and great to hear it helped. 👍
Thanks mate saved me from reading the manual
Hiya Paul. Cheers bud. Great tonhear from you. Always nice to hear from folks that have used the vids 👍🙏
Hello everyone. I retired the bike 5 days ago and I feel a noise or knock from the chain. I think that's what it is.. on the lower left side, just from grabbing a slight imperfection. I don't know if it's just my bike or if they all do it. I feel the knock in the swingarm. Is this normal? Thank you
Très utile, comme d'habitude et vous maîtrisez très bien le sujet. Continuez à nous apprendre et merci beaucoup
Merci mon ami, j'essaie et c'est amusant et j'apprends ce vélo pour moi aussi ! Je suis heureux que vous les appréciez et que vous les trouviez utiles. Je préfère toujours un guide vidéo rapide à utiliser avec un manuel. Je trouve que ça aide un peu plus. Je travaille sur tous mes vélos depuis des années, donc bien que ce soit un nouveau vélo, les principes sont à peu près les mêmes. Merci encore. Ric !
I have a 23 sas, 1500 miles the chain tension is correct, wheel is straight and there is excessive chain slap, enough to drive ya nuts. Any ideas?
Morning Ric , just had the same problem as you . The bike was serviced then on the way home I heard a squeaking noise. Chain far too tight. On top of that quick shifter not working plus radiator fluid half empty. Not a happy bunny as bike was supposed to have been test rode . Think it's just a ticking exercise for them . Ggggrrrrr
Yeah mate gotta keep an eye on everything that comes back after a service. And that’s. It just with ktm but all dealers in general. Only you love your bike as much as you will and have a financial vested interest. And to be fair I have seen some of manuals and they can be a little ambiguous in explanations. But I always check now and make sure “I’m happy with it” 👍
Was told that the rivet on the chain was supposed to align where you have the screwdriver…? Damn shame dealer smh, makes sense it has a screwdriver on the guide. Thanks 🍻
Hi Ricardo, Today i had my 620 mile first service with my KTM dealer and i questioned about the chain tension as i thought it was too tight!
However he told me that your method of checking tension is wrong... From the technicians KTM Manual you put the screwdriver in the slot underneath the chain and lift the chain up .
The correct tension is when the screwdriver is horizontal UNDER the chain without using excessive lifting force.
Hello mate thank you for sharing that. That is a sure way to screw your output shaft seals. The tension will be so overnight 😫
I have just sat with a colleague and both checked the manual and clearly shows a picture of how the screwdriver should be positioned relative to the chain and swing arm (also referred to as link fork in the manual). I will post something up a photo in the community section showing you direct from official 1290 manual.
This channel is my channel independent of where and what I do for work. So won't be getting them involved in this. However I will say something if someone is saying I am wrong when I am clearly not. 👍
@@RicardoYeep ...I spoke directly to the technician who carried out the work, he swears that the way he does it is correct...I told him i was totally confused, but he says the hain will be way to slack any other way
@@fjrboy No problem. I won't comment further as prefer not to criticisize. All I'll say is I've posted a post in the community section with pics and extract. Tell me if that makes sense pls. 👍
I had my chain like your when I collected it and was offered any damages to be covered if there any as a result of an over tight chain last year. It was like a banjo string it was so tight
@@RicardoYeep ...thanks, just read it,....I concur with you, the diagram explain the correct position of screwdriver...I am now concerned and will be contacting KTM in the morning
How you get on with dealer today?
Hi Ric, don’t think I have the screwdriver notch on my T version? Wonder if I can replace the bracket? Would it fit?
Hiya Ben! Sorry mate I don’t think you can simply swap in one of these. The geometry of the bike is different and so in your manual there will be a specified way for chain adjustment and monitoring. Definitely not something I’d recommend personally. 🙏
Thx, perfect instructions😃
Thanks mate appreciate the feedback and pleased it helped 👍
I thougt you should see the rivet from the chain trough this hole ? Thats my meaning after look on the schematic on the plastic part (chain guide)
Hello in the manual is that you should apply pressure to the screwdriver in as much that the screw driver should sit horizontal to the floor. This represents the correct chain tension. (Sorry for late reply!) Thanks, Ric
I liked your video about the chain adjustment. I wonder if you have heard about handlebar wobbles at about 50mph. This is happening on my SAS. If you have come across this I would like to know how to fix it.
Hello mate sorry for the late reply. Yes I did have speed wobble but was at higher 3 digit speeds. I managed to reduce mine with the odd tweek. But to be honest I am still not entirely sure if my tweaks had that much of an effect or it was road conditions combined. I dont ride in 3 digts anyway so has not really affected me. Good luck sorting it though as low speed would surely annoy me too :(
Thanks for getting in touch about the speed wobble.
Any time mate sorry for the delay . Been hectic lately 👍
Looking at getting one of these so will follow you tuts.
Will be putting up more stuff on soon. Need so a full layman’s opinion on it. 👍
excellent video! Much thanks!
muchas gracias por compartir / Thank you very much for sharing
Hello! No problem and is a pleasure to help. And thank you for dropping me a message. Any questions drop me message and I will do what I can to help. Cheers mate!
I've just checked my chain lmao. Its going in for its first service tomorrow and I will be mentioning it to them. The chain is well over the guide and showing as too tight but yet the chain is loose ? I haven't touched it as of yet, so I'm hoping if the chain is stretched they will replace it or rectify 🤔🤣
Haha I see that all the time mate. Also it may seem a bit loose on the centre stand but I’m guessing you checked it when it’s off the stand. On the stand is just the guide / measure. There’s less slack more tension when off the stand. I doubt they will give you a new chain but good luck with that one. With a well tight chain my concerns are not a new chain but more on the shaft and bearings and engine before the front sprocket as that can be under massive pressures if chain over tight. Cause abnormal wear of bearings and seals. Good luck though and let us know what they say 👍👍🤝
Cheers
Ric
@@RicardoYeep will see what the chain looks like off centre stand.
If its not right still I will be voicing concern over it. The bike should be given to customers in perfect working order and everything set to manufacturers settings.
BTW loving these videos pal. Maybe do some test ride videos on the other ktm models 🤔😁
Totally agree 100% mate. It’s very disappointing. If you don’t have wheel weights on your rim. I guarantee your wheels are not balanced either 👍
And yeah plan to have a blast out on few I’m of the others. Actually I am interested in testing the multistrada but a lot down to time permitting now my work pattern has changed. Sucks big time 😂… thanks for the positivity though mate! Much appreciated 🤝
Do you need to lubricate the chain on the 1290?
Yes any chain on a bike I’ve owned I always lubricate. Personally I just use spray lube or you can get a scotoiler system if you are that way inclined and like spending a bit 👍
Hi looking at your tiles on the floor,does the floor have to be smooth cheers paul
Hi Paul. sorry for the delay in gettin back (life got in the way). But as for my tiles. they are just the spongey neoprene type clip to gether type. Cheap as chips. And no my floor is not level but is most certainly desirable. I have a few bouncy parts where the floor dips. Hope that answers it for you?
All the best
Ric
Merci pour tes explications, c’est Top 😀👍
Merci mon ami, c'est très appréciable d'avoir ton feeeback 👍
Very useful thank you
Hi I was at a ktm dealership and was told that the rivets on the chain has to be level with the cut out notch as the picture on the chain tenchion guard shows
Hope this helps
Hi Paul thanks but I personally disagree. It does seem open to interpretation. However if you read the manual that notch Is for inserting a screw driver.. so practically speaking just based of that alone the rivet “won’t” be in line with the notch regardless of interpretation..
The interesting part is the screw driver should be pushing down on the chain and be “level” horizontal to ground at correct tension. The ambiguous part is how much tension should you be applying to make it horizontal?!! 🤦♂️
Either way I always apply reasonable pressure to gain horizontal state. I’m happy with that.
Cheers
Ric
PS you’ll get a different opinion at different dealers lol.. believe me I’ve asked this at different places 🤣
Hey Ricardo, many thanks for all your vids, super useful. I came across this when looking to check my chain ( just hit 1000miles ) . Initially I thought it might have been too tight from the dealer but using a small spirit level on the screwdriver and pushing the screwdriver down on the top of the chain to make it taught ( as per the manual ) it is level with a reasonable amount of pressure , when I remove the screwdriver the chain moves up slightly as no longer under pressure and the rivet is now directly in line with the cut out when measured with the spirit level 🤷🏼♂️
Ricardo..even my dealer could not correctly clarify this for me..
Interesting if this chain guide would fit older models.
Hello my friend! Thanks for watching my channel. yes these are very cool design indeed and makes it a lot clearer and specific to measure slack against. Not sure it would be transferale though as these new 2021 apparently have a slight extended swing arm aswell as a different geometry with the engine. The tension measurment point would have been specifically designed for this model (I would assme). Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep not that it was difficult to adjust on the older model, but this is much quicker and no other tools (I'm using motion pro slacker now)...I had test ride on this newer model, quite liked it especially the suspension/handling. Felt more balanced and front no chatter as I have on mine now. After many years I still wasn't able to get to the bottom of it and fix. For me this is the only big point of switching to new model.
@@Dimaniaxx yes the bike is so balanced and feels a lot lighter to move around than it should! The bladder fuel cells and low centre of gravity have a massive affect on handling. Combined with the slightly longer swing arm and engine rotated forwards. All together make a much more refined machine. The semi active suspension is amazing in my opinion. You really do feel the difference instantly at a push if a button. I have the tech pack and the customisation available is fantastic. Don’t forget the quick shifter! That’s butter smooth. There’s a lot going on with this S model. It’s the first bike I’d say is a real do all bike… it’s sensible when you want…and a right hooligan track day weapon in the right hands 👍
Very useful info 👍🏻
Thanks mate 🤝
Hello Ricardo! I am experiencing a problem with my 1290 SAR 2021. In low rpms when I open the throttle I have multiple jerks...I am thinking it's this slight chain tension adjust but I am justing shooting this out check if anyone else does have the same issue. Especially in rain mode when I accelerate in low rpms the bike jerks so much that some times is dangerous if you are in a turn. I managed to reduce this behavior yesterday by turning the mtc and msr off and the abs in off-road mode. It seemed fine until a tight turn with low speed in 2nd gear tried to test it in this scenario and it did it again. Thank you.
Hello Abjure. Thanks for the message my friend! I have to say I personally have not experienced this. But have experience other issues equally as alarming. Unfortunately if you think there is a danger to how the bike is performing you really need to take it back to KTM and get them to inspect and test the bike. And also rectify this. Home diagnostic or online advice is and can be useful but anything like this on a brand new model bike which is still under warranty you take it back and get them to check.
The only similar effect I have what you explained is if your in the wrong gear and need to change down. Sounds similar to a laboured engine. These big vtwin engines don’t like being laboured.
Sorry if that doesn’t help you. But I do not have or experienced this.
Cheers
Ric
@@RicardoYeep quick update. I went to KTM they plugged it to the computer it shows that an update for the engine have been released and need to be done. My appointment the next Tuesday, I will keep you updated. Thank you!
@@Abjure_0_ Thanks for sharing! Yes I would be interested to know about this update. Cheers again Ric
@@RicardoYeep today KTM did the update, the engine is running smoother a bit more powerful (I think) BUT the problem not solved. The technician believes the next step is to replace the throttle twist probably it is going to be covered under the warranty. This bike really is the best to ride but when you buy it of a premium price and the issues are coming from day 1 I am disappointed.
@@Abjure_0_ Ah hello again thank you very much for sharing this info. I have someone experiencing this same problem and they are also trying to fault find. In fact two bikes purchased at same dealers have same issue. It seems everyone is trying to figure it out with no definitive answer. I will pass on this update from you to him and get him to see if he follows this thread! Thanks!.
Thanks
No worries bud 👍.
Cheers 🍻
Rick
you seem to have had a few problems with your dealer!
Hiya Simon. Hmmm awkward one.. Yes there have been some things that I am not pleased about (understatement). I am trying not to think about it given this platform that has so grown fast. As i feel I could go to town on the things I have picked up myself caused by a poor PDI or Tech work on the bike that was not quite up to scratch. They have tried to make good and have helped me since.. So wont go down the name and shame route on that. I know these guys since lock down ceased are flat out and lucky to be in business still (some of them). And some running on short staff as a result. I am not being overly sympathetic but at the same time realistic. And they acknowledged errors and made good in some way. Which is good. Plus no harm came to me or the bike so again thats all good. Any other situation its a different ball park!
Cheers
Ric
@@RicardoYeep its good they acknowledge where they haven`t met the correct standards they did not try to cover up. i own a gt but enjoy watching your videos this bike is on my list of next possibilities
@@simonbeal2148 Excellent to hear it the bike is definitely one of the most fun bikes I have owned. There is nothing in its class that gives as much in my opinion. However you already will be ware of KTM ownership experience lol.. Lets hope there are not too many woes on this one! :) Thanks again for liking the vids!
just use calipers
Unfortunately, this method does not work for me... If I adjust the chain like this, it hangs a lot and rattles to much. Tried several times following these instructions, no good...
They are known for chain slap sound. Even pushing down off a curb it makes a slap. Check your manual it will be there too.
Long after this video was made like a year later I ended up working at a KTm dealer for last 2 and half years. I just now (literally) confirmed this with the technicians just to be doubly sure. And it’s the right way 👍
Bike on side stand screwdriver in slot above chain and apply pressure that gets the screwdriver horizon to the floor 👍
Thanks for the answer and well done for the effort! But in Serbia, an authorized service center cuts the chain so that the screwdriver looks straight into the middle of the chain. A friend in Austria has the same case. I bought a 1290 sas 10 days ago, and the chain was adjusted that way at the KTM service. No unpleasant clapping.
That sounds a little odd to me? Why would anybody cut any chain on a brand new bike to adjust chain slack? There is enough adjustment by pulling the wheel back a little to get any desired tension! Instead cutting is shorter? Sorry but I would not be taking my bike anywhere near a dealer that does this. So KTM are selling brand new bikes where you need to cut chain. 👀 never heard of before 🧐
But if your happy then that’s all that matters 👍
@@RicardoYeep it was bad english translation from my language, sorry
There is no cutting, just adjusting but on center on chain, no under, no over. Thats I wanted to say
And it works perfect, with no clapping an hanging down to much...