Arrow Penetration "Impact Paradox" l Ranch Fairy
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- This has NEVER BEEN RESEARCHED by anyone in the industry. Arrows slam into a fixed object and your skeet load wobbles like a noodle. Hit play, you will learn something.
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This is my first year bow hunt. Really glad I found this channel a couple weeks ago. Still learning and figure out what I need I've about drove my wife crazy buying the things
rusty murdock Right there with ya buddy
What my wife doesn’t know, doesn’t hurt. Lol
WOW! This is hands-down THE perfect video for guys like me to watch. RF, you are totally changing my entire approach to bowhunting & gear. Relax... it's a good thing.
Ever since I found your channel I have been preaching this to all of my buddies. Probably to the point of being annoying. Lol
Eric Smith
It helps to run off a few people!!!!
@@RanchFairy !!!!!!!!hahahahahaha!!!!! I guess i'm not the only one who thinks this way!
At least I'm not the only one
And no one listens😂😂
Ole Ted has been killing for many many many years, he shoots low poundage heavy arrows and cut on impact broad heads also. Theres a reason! Also a good point Ted has is the lower poundage bows are quieter. Also after watching your vids on all this i think im switching back to fixed blade broad heads, i have had really good luck with rage and most of the deer ive shot have went down in sight. Bit thats also taking very ethical shots. Knowing where to hit them. But i want every advantage i can get. Good stuff sir. KEEP IT OUTSIDE’N!
This is my first year bow hunting and I'm watching as many videos you have as I can. I have already learned so much. Thank you
This makes so much sense. I've hit several deer with mechanical broadheads that have done this very thing. I shot 125 grain Thunderheads 25 years ago and always had pass throughs. I switched backed to fixed blades last year but unfortunately didn't have the opportunity to take a whitetail. I appreciate your time and effort to inform us on your research! Keep it up!
Really awesome video. Your work is very much appreciated!
Great video that places things into perspective. Thank you for the education.
Great video and ever since I've been making my arrows following your direction everything has fallen into place. I still have a lot to learn and that's the beauty of it. Keep these videos coming. Happy Thanksgiving my friend.
Survivalist
It’s easier when arrows work
I love your videos! I mostly shoot a longbow, but your style is everything that I have tried to emulate.
A lot of moving PARTS! Good show Thanks
Thank you so much for everything you do. This is great stuff.
I’ve seen that happen before with the entry being lower than the exit. Can’t remember it if was a hog or deer. But it was fascinating. Great stuff please keep educating and experimenting. Learning a ton and applying it.
Arrows also get deflected by bone. But most importantly, most people are not shooting a stiff enough spine.
Great video Troy! Keep up the good fight.
Seth Poston
It matters!!!!
On point, gonna have to try the bare shaft tuning
one of you're best videos
Thanks for all your hard work, it shows that you love all of this, you are a true asset to our sport. Great info for us traditional archery guys.
Great intro, with successful users. Keep it up wizard, ;)
Just getting back into bow hunting after a 10 year break, got a new bow and was getting ready to research arrows and broadheads but I found your channel and thank god I did, I have a set of Black Eagle Zombie Slayers and which ever field poor flys true after my shop paper tunes it I will be looking for single bevel broadheads of that weight, hopefully, thinking a 200-300 grain should be good as the arrow weighs 314 grains with fletching and nocks and factory inserts.
👍🏻👍🏻 I’m convinced you are spot on with your observations. Because of you I now shoot 600 grn GT3555s with 300 grns up front...about 23% FOC out of my trad bows at between 43 to 47 lbs. I’m hoping to become a ‘Fairy Duster’ before the end of the season so right now I cannot speak to ‘in animal’ performance but I can testify that these ‘adult’ arrows push my broadheads through my high density 3D target. So much so that I have to remove the broadhead before pulling the arrows. Nope they ain’t fast but my bows are much quieter & the arrows stop about as fast as a freight train. I have no doubt they will be devastating on a live target. Thanks for putting in the time & making sense of it all.
Neotoxo54
Send me pictures
This stuff works! I encourage all the nay sayers just to try it instead of shooting bricks and jello, you’l l be surprised on how well fixed heads will fly and how great they kill
go forward heavy as much as you can, but with a trajectory you can live with. With my setup and hunting conditions, my total arrow weight went from 9grn/lbs of DW to 7grn.
The “Voice”!!!! Love it!
I'm really enjoying your videos, on the scientific facts
I had to get my fix tonight but when I see. Vanshlupp with that Hogzilla I lost it every time I played it back God bless you Troy 🙏 you're one of a kind love it
This is my favorite episode love it
I love your video evidence…decades ago, a few archers who were making videos (Wensel’s, Paul Bruner, etc) would cover these topics to a degree. Unfortunately, such videos were overshadowed and thought to be old knowledge by the vast majority of hunting videos marketing brands etc. I’m glad true knowledge is still being utilized and shared👍🏼
Facts are stubborn things
John Adams
Great research and info!
Explains why we get a few one lung and no pass thrus in our club from time to time!
I use to shoot Heavy Arrows, then like everyone else I followed the trend (( light arrows are fast arrows )) but now I'm switching back, I like the idea of a heavy arrow, (( always did )) so now is the time for a change ... 😎🏹🦌
Omg you are the TH-camr my dad has ben talking about none stop , He WAS SOOOOOO EXCITED you got his phone number .Thabk you for making my dad really really happy and becoming friends with him !
kayla Wiese
That’s excellent. Glad to help
GREAT video!!!!
When i was a kid shooting cheesy handmade bows - i learned the best flight of my stick arrows came from using the fat end as the tip..... I would tie strings or use tape as feathers for extra stability. . . . . .
Gospel brother..! Good stuff..!
I found the Razorback 4 broadhead helped tremendously as the broadhead spins. Hence with the arrow spinning when hittting the target (animal) the broadhead stops the arrow rotation abruptly and thus causes paradox. The Razorback 4 broadhead by spinning stops itself and the arrow does not stop spinning and the difference between the Razorback and the Thunderhead is remarkable. My Thunderhaeds will get full penetration and will be laying on the ground whereas the Razorback (from same height Treestands) will be 6 inches deep in the ground!!
On that trypan shot, that was the collar that holds the blades together breaking off like it is designed to do
Another great video bro. Btw. I sent u a update on that email we was talking about
All this talk about overwhelming shafts, HaHa best archery videos on the internet, no one else is doing this this!
TheHYENA87
Thanks.
Wow Troy I don't get it!!! It amazes me that people can't use the brain and wrap it around the heavy arrow solution. Even after you prove the science behind it all. It baffles me, I don't understand how they can not comprehend. They you just lob a heavy arrow out there it'll just fall off the face of the earth 🤯
Something I noticed about that big butt pig shot with the 600 grain head. He hunched up and jumped. That would definitely make things tuff on light flapper arrows
Another great video! High FOC and well tuned arrows, increase penetration, increase lethality, and decrease arrow wobble on impact. Seems like Ashby may not have been a quack after all! Lol Who would have thought? What could be the downside of any of this? I'd love to hear it from the "pros"
High Country Adventures
Thank you. We’ll see what the pros say
as forward heavy as you can, but with a trajectory you can live with
Serious side of you! Good Video! Good Lessen! Their all Good!
Practical Tactical boring huh!! Hahaahah
Nicely done,
I have always suspected this as Murphys Law always applies.
The only mechanical broadheads I found I liked and had no problem with was Punch Cutter and Rocky Mountain. All gave me complete pass through shots and blades completely deployed. Then these company's went out of business or absorbed by another company and there designs discontinued because they worked and theirs didn't.
Years ago a tried a test which has to do with exactly what you are talking about in your video. I took a dozen decently (not perfect, but close) tuned shafts, and fletched 3 with 2" Quik Spin Speed hunters with a slight right offset, 3 shafts with 4" flex fletch helical, 3 with Blazers helical, and 3 with FOBs. I was shooting a Switchback XT at the time, decently tuned as well. My bow was sighted in from 20-80 yards. I bought a brand new, never been shot Block 4X4 and set it up at 60 yards on a calm day. I shot all 4 sets of shafts, each set at a new dot on the target for it's own group using regular field points. These arrows were Carbon Express Edge Hunters (which they don't make anymore) and weighed around 525 grains with 100 grain tip and the factory stainless steel half-outs. I had several interesting results. Group size was excellent with all fletchings at around 4" max. My Blazers hit low by about 4". The FF hit in the bull. FOB's were low, but not as low as the Blazers. The Quik Spins were high, and in the tightest group, but that is not what surprised me the most. When I walked up to the target, I took note of the depth of penetration each group had. FOBs, FF, and Blazers were all within 1/2" of being the same depth in penetration. But the QS were almost 5" deeper in the target. After I sat down and thought this through, I concluded that the shafts with the QS's were spinning faster, concentrating the energy in the shaft closer to the core or center of the shaft, thus directing more of the energy to driving the point deeper as opposed to "Impact Paradox", like the other shafts had experienced. So you might add this thought to the mix in your next tests and see if that too aids in less "Impact Paradox". I like to think of the shaft spinning faster similar to when you were swinging on a rope swing as a kid. If you got the rope twisted up so you would spin in a circle and leaned way out and stuck your legs out, you would spin slow and wobbly. But tuck your legs under you and tightly hug the rope and you would spin so fast you would couldn't see straight. Same thing with an arrow spinning faster vs slower. Love your video's BTW. Keep hammering man!
Bob Bowers
We shall see - I’ll put it on the to do
@@RanchFairy Big, long 5" feathers give me similar results to the Quik Spins in my testing. Thought I would mention that as I know you like feathers.
Bob Bowers
Perfect bare shaft insert tuned arrows give results as you saw here.
I will say.... I just saw the ranch fairy comment. It has been talked about adnauseam
. 30 years ago, when the AFC shaft was competing with Beman. I do appreciate it isnt being talked about now=a=days and that The ranch Fairy was VERY young back then. He is bringing BACK a very good point that youngsters should understand and for that I have to say.... Good job Fairy!
Lever Action
Thanks. I’m old enough to be “BC” before carbon. My old bows shot 170 FPS and who knows how heavy the aluminum arrows were. I appreciate your input
@@RanchFairy Are you that old? Holy smokes! Lookin good old man! :D
Lever Action 50 this year
Been shooting arrows since I was 12
@@RanchFairy I was hunting before the compound but not much before. We have shared some of the same experiences for sure, over that time period. Been watching your videos on a loop all day. Happy thanksgiving to you. Keep up the great work!
Bad ass video.
Love the videos as well as the HEAVY doses of sarcasm. I am working on increasing my point weight to get a heavier overall arrow (thinking broadhead in the 200 gr range with an insert). Mostly shooting whitetails but what arrow/broadhead/fletch combination would you recommend. Shooting 65-72 lbs 29 in draw Mathews vertex. keep up the good work.
Jacob Mitchell
Go to the channel - playlist - high FOC arrow building. Do “that stuff”
300 spine will run.
Fletch - I’m not particular, happen to be running 1.75” x .5” feathers most of the time. Stock blazers are fine. If I have my choice on vanes, Q2i Fusion X 2 / 2.1”
Love your videos and it's definitely changed my mind , so how does this adult arrow with vanes fly at 60yds?
chad knutson
I’ve only run out to 100. 750 grains is the heaviest. You laser the distance and put your pin on it!
Here’s what you gain. It penetrates anything.
Or a man can pray for 5” of penetration and wound them to death!!!
Wow,I wish I knew all this back 30 years ago
2 seasons ago I shot a deer @18yds from 28 feet up, and the animal was quartering away. Fairly steep angle but the shot was perfectly placed and the path was definite. I touched off and the arrow hit where I placed the pin. The path was perfectly placed to go through the pump house. The arrow then came out straight down and exited, pulling out sou intestines with it. Luckily it only took a few bounds and I was able to put another arrow through it. My guess at the time was that the mechanical deployed, caught, and redirected. Thank you for this video.
Jordan Machler
That is what we are seeing. More testing come on that
Good video, great stories, and wonderful hunting videos - but what IS ‘impact paradox’? And what is the solution/result/reason/effect? I enjoyed this video, but what was the point? I figured you would state a problem, and show a solution. But I never saw a problem or solution...
If you look what the hog does when the arrow hits is why your exit is higher than the entry. The hog drops just prior the the hit then he comes back up enough to raise the front end. With the arrow entering and then the side of the animal (which is moving) up in this case redirects the arrow up.
Biscuit
Yup - uncontrollable. They often roll too
Hey RF, on something like this, do you have any videos of 500ish or maybe even a little heavier but 12-15% foc hitting like this? Just curious. I have some slow motion shots like yours with my personal arrows and I just don’t get that type of flex on impact unless the arrow simply isn’t tuned.
I shoot an Xpedition Xcursion 6 at 76# was wondering if the spine I’m using is adequate for hundred grain inserts with hundred grain heads? Goldtip Hunter xt’s cut at 28 inches 300 spine. 505 total grains.
Glenn Bearbower
It’s close. Buy some 200 grain inserts and run them into stock inserts - 215 or so. Let it rip. My guess is a 250 will be your best
Love your vid's.... at the 14.00-minute mark in this vid you're talking about the different angles of entry and exit.... just my 2 cents worth... Could the deflection be caused purely by movement/motion of the target and or hitting something hard, not sure what..lol ??.When I say movement/motion if the arrow hasn't gone through bone and rubbed against it as the target has moved then maybe that could have caused the deflection...Just a thought.
Macropod
Ahhhh a thinking man. Rare!!
It’s “both and”. See my video broadhead penetration basics. Then in your head add impact paradox to that equation.
1st off....love your videos, great info. My buddy and I are currently researching arrow weight, spine, FOC, penetration, speed, kinetic energy, etc. for a DIY archery elk hunt this September. We're Michigan flat landers that have never archery hunted anything larger than a whitetail. Do you have any videos on your thoughts of arrow builds, at distance? I'm assuming most of your pig penetration is at close distance (20 yards and in). What about a distance, elk shot? And I'm not talking about the 100 yard gun slingers flinging their "twislers" with their slide sight pins. I'm talking about a realistic 40-50 yard (max) opportunity on a big, thick, heavy elk.
FIELD 2 FREEZER
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Yup! And you have to be FIRST concerned with the arrow actually penetrating an elk.
@@RanchFairy thanks. That gives me more info to try. You talk a lot about 300 and 250 spine. Ever try 200 spine? Any videos / thoughts on 200 spine?
FIELD 2 FREEZER
Sure! If it flies it flies
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All BS aside thank you for opening my eyes to the truth. I watched a podcast with you and the guys from THP and wow. Thank You I’m a believer and am changing my set up go Heavy with cut on contact fixed blades surgical sharp. Not sure of the specifics yet but am getting back on track to killing deer, not just fatally wounding them.
So I’m trying to build a heavy arrow I was looking at abt a 500 to 550 grain range shooting a 125 broad head with a gold tip hunter xt wanting you put at less 100 grains of insert my bow set is 27 in draw 28 in arrow at 70 lbs should I shoot a 300 spine or a 250
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With a right bevel, do i need to shoot right helical to help it twist right and prevent it from getting loose. Please help.
From my research (I'm still learning a lot!) The short answer is yes
Can you put what arrow and broad head that you found to be the best? (That would be great!!)
David Cross
This is terrible - I understand what you’re asking.
But - it’s the arrow and point that flies bare shaft perfect. See heavy arrow handload video. Sorry man. That’s the honest answer.
Broadhead. Single bevel
Tuffhead
Cut throat
Grizzly stick Masai
Magnus black hornet in no particular order
Hey Ranch, fairy. Can you help me out with building a heavy adult size arrow for my crossbow? I am handicapped and I can no longer hunt my compound bow.
Michael Harriman
Groovy. Buy the RF field point kit on ethics archery and test heavier points. You can buy inserts for the bolts or heavier Broadheads like VPA
This year I added 200 gr up front and had pass through on every deer i shoot this year.
Vue
Awesome!! Send me details of the kills! I’d love to add them to my study. 416 shots collected over 3 years
Bow/draw weight / arrow spine / insert weight if any / broadhead and shot distance plus what happened at and after impact!!
Email please troy@ranchfairy.com
Hey Ranch Fairy great video!!! If I could get some light to a setup for chasing elk. I had a buddy that let me borrow a grizzlystik momentum TDT total weight 650gr. Bow is Mathews DXT 28.5" draw, 68lb weight. I mean they shot but honestly seemed to do what is showing in your video. At 20yd seemed to kickout, or do that wobble. At 30yd though it was very accurate. This is my first go at adult arrow weight and I just purchased some Cutt throat broadheads 125gr on sale. I'm looking at the day six HD 300 they are going to be cut at 29" with 100gr ss outsert. Total weight is around 580gr. The reason for the day six arrows it the SS outsert also interior shaft thickness is unmatched from my research GPI is 11.2, that is more initial thoughts on that arrow but up to changes if you suggest another route. What is your thoughts on spine weight, also should I go more weight on the oursert if I go to a 350 spine? They do offer a 150gr outsert. I appreciate your time.
Dave M
You’re gonna want a 300 spine minimum.
Hey!! A Nug arrow!
Do you have a video with set up suggestions?
Randy Matson
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And this whole playlist
place the camera at the target facing you
place knee high mirror facing the target - then u can shoot over the mirror into the target and get the film with low risk ?
Hey, does part of your knock tuning include fletching to the natural shaft rotation of the shaft ?.
I know rotating the knock to get a bullet hole is good but some guys are saying that it's ALSO
important to check the natural rotation, which I believe is affected by the way your center serving is put on, before you chose which helical direction to put on.
Dave Rushia
Good old Levi.......I have tested that. I’ll put on the list - if I shoot spots.
You don't think it's worth the trouble for the average bow hunter ?.
I'm probably going to agree with you on that !!!
Dave Rushia
Correct - spots and twizzlers - yup
Can you give us a website to order some steel inserts and those broadhead tips you are shooting
Ethics inserts
Tuffhead or Magnus broadheads
The question I have with heavy arrows is the drop out to 30 yards and past, and the bow site being to low to compensate for the drop. I’m running into the fletching hitting the case of the site past 30 yards. I’m shopping 615 grains at 70 lb draw weight and a 28 inch arrow
Wolf Among sheep
That is interesting. I’m running 760 and not even close with EZV..
When I ran pins and 670 - same out to 50.
Hmmmmmm.
Ranch Fairy wow! I might be doing something wrong then lol. I’m running a black gold single pin, it’s wheel
Is adjustable from 20 yards to 100
Wolf Among sheep
It’s something to play with. I don’t know
shabbos1 single pin site
shabbos1 it’s a black gold single pin
Other bones you DIDNT KNOW you were going to hit
Still laughing
They do exist - except when you’re playing Minecraft
Love the information and yessir you're good looking. Now, can you back up a little! Lol
Troy, is there such thing as an over spined arrow? As in a 200 spine at 30-31” at 65-68 lbs around 600-620 grains
Leaves less room for error is my understanding. Technically you should be able to add more weight to the front if you need a bit more spine forgiveness.
I’ve never had a penetration problem, but I’m pretty much strictly whitetail and Turkey hunter. 28 years of bow hunting, this has never been taught to me. Now you’ve got me making some serious changes to my set up. I wish you live close so I could pick your brain😂
Black Helmet Hunter
There’s no brains
What the heck just found TRF this cat. He must be a researcher or a doctor? With that being said I like what he has to say. After back to back rage inspired debacles one recovery one not so much 😢 this fool is no longer going to be drinking the purple koolaid going to fix blades and never looking back. So glad I found this channel.should be interesting 🧐
Ive been killing animals with Rage mechanicals since they released, and the only game that ever got away was my fault. Rage has the best wound channels I’ve ever seen. No coolaid involved. Deer, moose, bear, elk. Never once has a rage failed me (i have failed myself though)
Clary Carrier I have also killed plenty of deer with rage . But after the last two seasons with some less than stellar outcome for good shots I have decided to go fix blades . If you love them then shoot them.i am not telling anybody what to !!! As i an not a self proclaimed expert. I am just going to the keep it simple stupid way of thinking. Less moving parts the better for me. As for the coolaid comment well 😎
Interesting video, however I think you are using visual observation to explain impact physics without regard to column loading of the arrow at impact. The reason for stiff spine is to resist the column loading of the shaft upon release of the bow string. The same is true in reverse at impact. The nock end of the arrow tries to cover up the point at impact causing the column loading effect to either to stay in line or shear off to side based on the weakness of the shaft because of an imperfect loading of the shaft due to the sudden stopping of the momentum. Very much like how a long bodied bullet will form around the point upon a perpedicular impact. Another very important result of the extreme FOC has to do with how much of the insert is placed inside the shaft. If all of the FOC weight was terminated at the end of the shaft the shear force on the connection is tremendous on an angled impact.
Kenneth Robie
Yes. I gotcha. Simple here man.
I recently went from 393 grn. To 450 gr. With @10% FOC. (27"), I've noticed they definitely hit harder, but I lost speed. I hunt deer, so I'm hoping I should be ok
Mr. Skeptical you will be just fine I shoot 28” draw with a 610 grain arrow 19% foc 236fps no issues with deer jumping my arrow keep in mind the heavier the arrow the quieter the bow gets keep everything 30 yards and under you will be just fine only thing you will have to worry about is freezer space
Mike Paul, if your talking 30 yards and under, why would any of these metrics matter, hit em behind the shoulder with any arrow, any broadhead any FOC and they will be dead.
Luke Onderko in a perfect world yeah behind the shoulder is awesome but in the hunting woods crap happens and when it does I wanna make sure I have a plan b in place I shot a big doe 43 yards last year she turned tight before I shot I toasted her shoulder in half and dropped her in her tracks trust me I use to be a light arrow speed freak but I know for a fact my light arrow setup I was using woulda maybe broke through her shoulder fallowed by hours of tracking it’s like using a 22-250 for deer hunting when you could use a 300 win mag lol
Saul Good I’m using a btx 28 with 80#limbs getting 83.5 pounds of draw my cams are set on performance pulls hard but she rips them down range pretty good
I run an axis 340 with cut at 27.5 with 100grain head. Bare shaft tune at 20 yards hitting right with fletched. There is absolutely no reason for these crazy heavy arrows. Shot placement is key.
Big Black Johnson
Thanks
I think the exit is higher because he is jumping up as the arrow starts to penetrate
After nock tuning- with field points- throwing a broadhead on there doesn't screw up those dynamics?
ahh, mind is blown. Bow tuning- is it the bow or the arrow not tuned, Can't tune an arrow with an un-tuned bow, how can i tune my bow with un-tuned arrows. I"m about to get my 300win mag out and move on. :-) Kidding- but what to do first? bow or arrow?
Stinkfam
Arrow
Awesome stuff as always RF. Wondering if you did any tests regarding our e-conversation about arrow noise? I'd like to do more tests regarding fletching and nock noise but my L3-4 isnt co-operating. In regards to FOC, I ask guys, is it easier to pull a rope or push it? :) Keep educating brother.
Fletching noise: I have some Black Eagle Traditional carbon arrows with helical fletching and they really make my arrows fly straight and correct for my errors, but make a fluttering sound in the air that would likely cause a critter to jump the string. Haven't hunted with them but am dubious about doing so because of this even though I am a great shot with those arrows.
I dont know how you dont have more subscribers your info is dead on. I think the folks who call BS on this stuff just have not hunted very long and have little to go on other then the few deer they shot with a rifle...
Because he's swimming against the current. MANY bowhunters consider themselves the most educated, informed, experienced hunters on the planet with very little to learn. Also, many bowhunters have so much invested in their equipment and style they see Troy's ideas as going backwards. IOW, they have their heads up their asses!
Do you believe smaller diameter arrows penetrate better?
Not tested - theory - yes
I HAVE tested a few micros and the outsert systems have a failure rate higher (not a lot) than mid diameter or standard.
Kicker
The micro outserts are super hard to replace.
What do you suggest for a crossbow?
Bubba Holley
Ethics ranch fairy test point kit. Shoot the multiple point weights and see what flies best.
You need a GOOD target!!! Don’t put your house behind it
@@RanchFairy what broadheads do u suggest?
Bubba Holley
Magnus black hornet or Stinger Buzzcut
Doesn’t the spine of the arrow also partly explain the movement you’re seeing at impact ? If you have a weaker spine you’re going to get more flopping around at impact ?
Yes that is what he is explaining. Always over spine, especially with 20% FOC.
Bow Fit Outdoors ok. Thanks. Seemed like he was emphasizing the weight of the head was the reason you see less movement.
In the time I have spent in the woods I will say when a deer has it’s head down they will jump the crap out of a string!!! When there head is up it’s no where near as bad as when their head is down!! So with my bow at 67.5# peak weight speed about 250-270 arrow weight 480-510 I make sure there head is up!! Just food for thought on a video!!!
Bearded Chatt Outdoors
Yup. Dr Grant woods and I talked about that. Need a giraffe pig combo so they have to pick up their head!!! Hahahaha
I honestly have never killed a pig lol but you are right hahaha that be one funny looking pig
This makes perfect sense; hasn’t thought about it; it’s easier for them to coil “load” for launch with head down than head up;
Ben Pena
That’s what we are seeing
This was a great discourse, thanks for your whimsical, yet professional videos...
Just wished you would give up the girly compound bows and focus on he-man gear (ala traditional) ... j/k.... sorta :)
All I got to say is grim reaper broad heads. Seriously you should try them pass through every time and yes they are mechanicals. Their hybrid heads penetrate the same as the fixed!
That would be because your arrow SPINE is a perfect match, or at least very very close. You may want to explain spine matching before you tell people to just start upping FOC. If you’re adding that much weight up front and all of a sudden your arrow flies correct, you’re running a shaft that’s TOO stiff. Understanding arrow spine(static and dynamic) is key to flight and penetration.
The other day I shot a deer broadside. Perfect shot and somehow came out high and the guts were hanging out. I just thought it was quartering more than i thought. Then i was confused how it came out higher are 20 feet in the air. I gutted the deer and knicked both lungs, went through the liver, nicked the vein behind the spine and out the guts. I pulled the heart out and somehow cut the bottom of the heart in two. Still can't figure out how this happened
hellowaldoo
That’s a crazy one.
@@RanchFairy I did use a floppy floppy and saw the arrow come out slow and sideways. Shot buck the next day and hit bone, no recovery and now I'm subscribed
hellowaldoo snort the fairy dust and holler if you need any help on a build
Troy@ranchfairy.com
I would love help with it have a Matthews vertex 29 inch draw at 70lbs. Shooting victory VAP TKO micro at 30 1/8 length with 100 grain head. Lighted knock it weighs 424 @294fps and std 417 @ 304fps. I know those are rookie numbers for you but have binged watched your videos and asking for help. I just got back into bow hunting and have already spent a lot of money and lost the first deer I have shot in 12 years. If you are ever in Wisconsin I’ll take ya hunting.
I was expecting the heavy arrow shot into the pig shoulder to pass through or get more penetration than it did. Am I missing something here?
Rene Brookerd
Nope. Shoulder and spine hits are very difficult plowing. I wish I passed through every time. You did see 50% greater penetration.
@@RanchFairy what if that same shot had been done with a single-bevel head of same weight?
Everett Keithcart
more to test. We assume - impact paradox due to the field point tests and FOC changes. Stay tuned
Hello Ranch Fairy, I am shooting Carbon Express Maxima Red arrows at 29 inches. My draw length is 28 inches. I have my inserts already glued in. I think my arrow weight is right at 390 grains. My old arrows were 425 grains, but cant find those arrows any more. I have a very low FOC maybe 7%. Is there any way I can add weight by pushing weight from the Nock end up to the the front, and glue it in place where it wont move?? I ask because I've heard that if you were to heat the glue back up it could damage the arrow, and I cant afford to buy anymore. I live on a fixed budget and am going through health issues with my wife. So with that being said, I won't be able to get a couple different shaft stiffness and test which weight field point shoots better out of which arrow. I do know that I bought the arrow with the most weight per inch that I could get. I think it was 9.3 per inch. I shoot a 100 grain Swhacker broadhead. After seeing your videos on everything and you shooting one of the same heads that I have, I am going to be adding more weight to the front end and going to a single bevel head. I know this is a long comment but Needed to ask. Thank you.
Research if those inserts are threaded?
There are tools to push in weights from the back.
Magnus stinger Buzzcut 125 is more practically priced.
What Is your draw weight?
@@RanchFairy I'm pulling 65 lbs.
jwgaz71 you’re at your limit on spine - I just don’t think they will fly better - heavier
@@RanchFairy ok, thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I will for sure let you know if I make changes by adding weight and if it works. Once again Thank you.
I am a late bloomer ,
sitting in the back of the class.
So what is full metal jacket.
What is foc.
What is an adult arrow???
Gary Goff
RF channel - heavy arrow playlist t
My twizzlers hit them deer in the chest before they have time to drop.
Everything I was taught says 340 spine is a little stiff for 43lb at 26”,no?
Probably - with a stick insert and weenie point. But get some big adult field points and go find out
siriusarchery.com/product/ranch-fairy-field-point-test-kit/
Have you gone over the subject of bow vibration noise and how a heavy arrow WILL take that noise from your bow!!! I am a FIRM believer that a SILENT bow kills!!! It is the noise that causes the animal to FLINCH!!! Also, have you touched on background noise and how you can utilize the background noise to your advantage!!! Examples: A train is making noise!!! That's a good time to take a shot if possible!!! You could utilize that time to exit your stand!!! I also, believe that animals react to the impact of the arrow!!! NOTE: there's not much that can be done about that!!! However, shooting adult arrows!!! Can aid in the trajectory going through your game!!!
Animals react to arrow flight Sound!
Fred Brown
Yep. And they are trying not to die
I feel like an idiot... I can’t comprehend what the hell he’s talking about. I can tel he knows what he’s talking about and he’s very educated and very smart man but I think he’s above my head lol 😂😂
Who knew a super soft spine arrow would be soft with a cinder block for a broadhead.
Joshsinglefooter
Apparently you’re not paying attention at all.
The arrow that was the least reactive, shook the least, had 700 grains up front
The 340 / stock insert / 125 point - shakes like a metronome.
Thanks for Trolling .
@@RanchFairy no I wasn't trolling. I was talking about people in archery with no common sense. Not you or you channel. I shoot a stiff spine.
@@RanchFairy you are right mr ranch fairy
Damn, that bishop went in like 8 inches, split that shoulder blade right in half. If there had been any chance that it the shot was going through the previous hole it would not have gone that deep, maybe halfway up to the base of the arrowhead, but not eight inches in!
Bahahahahahahahahahaha
If high arrow speed overcame animal movement at the shot, nobody could ever kill anything with a longbow, at any range over five yards, ever.
Yet, people have and do.