I have had 0 problems using the steam market. There is nothing badly wrong with it. I’d call it good tbh. Always can find exactly what I’m looking for. People have been using it to trade for years on years with no problems and then hearthstone normies wanna come over and whine about it. Grow the fuck up. Can y’all actually give me some problems with it?
Is WoW free? Is battlefield free? Is CSGO free? Is FIFA19 free? Is pubg free? Is overwatch free? Is GTA5 free? Is Red dead redemption free? Is MHW free? Is Fallout free? Is Skyrim free?
@@Happojee www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/217252-hearthstone-is-too-expensive I just read this post and I don't understand why people say Hearthstone is better because it is free lol.. I played Hearthstone for a year and it is impossible to win and catch up without money
@@ThorneAshwell did you ever use steam market... it always had and always will have 15% tax on all items. While on Steam you can turn around your money and winnings , in Hearthstone you can only disenchant cards for around 3/10 of their value... and eventually when prices for cards fall on market , you can get all common and almost all uncommons for under 5 euros and that is cheap for a card game.
@Chibikki you misunderstood me, i made comparison of steam market and hearthstone dusting . I didnt say there is market for hearthstone. You may need some reading comprehension classes
I can't believe Valve fucked this up. They had so much to learn from previous card games, and they decided to come up with the worst monetization model possible.
this is way better than hearthstone. Yeah right now a few 10 cards are high price $5-$20. But in time all cards will drop. And you can build meta decks for probably $5. While in heartstone you would need to buy at least 50 packs, and then get some luck to get legendaries, so you can dust them for other cards.
@fossgrim You are obviously not a proficient HS arena player, I grinded all legendaries in knights of the frozen throne in the arena without buying anything. If you manage to get an average winrate of 6.0 arena pays for itself and you even have spare gold for extra packs and additional dust which can be spent on the cards you actually want to have. In artifact on the other hand you have to recycle cards to gain more draft keys, which would be like spending dust for arena in HS. The monetization in artifact is really the worst of any online card game ever and I managed to build all meta decks in HS and a lot of fun decks without spending a dime, all it takes are long arena grinds and Artifact is missing exactly that, therefore it is a pure credit card game unlike HS. Missing dailys is terrible as well.
@@meinname8511 You can't expect most HS player to get an average winrate of 6.0 in arena. And I would rather buy a deck for $5 instantly, then be forced to grind for it for 10+ hours or so. Is $5 really worth that much time for you?
Quick math comparison: 32 dollars for axe, 32 dollars is about 23 packs in hearthstone, which is 115 cards with at least 23 rare cards if you have the worst luck. Average card packs yield 103 dust according to statistics, which means you only need 17-18 packs of continuously unlucky to craft any card in the game. Taking that math no card in hearthstone cost more than 24-25 dollars ever.
It has real value in that card you stupid fool, it means you can resell it to get real money. It can also be a kind of investment because card value will go up or down. What you get for spending money in fartstone? When you quit that game all your money spent is gone
The difference in my opinion is that if you buy 23 packs, you aren’t guaranteed to get what you want. With this, at least you know what you’re getting. 60 bucks for a fake card is ridiculous tho.
@@zentumaisle5925 the problem with your statement is you are very dependant on the state of the game. The worth of your card changes a lot and the "value" you have is only steam currency its not actual money. It is risky to depend on being able to resell cards for their value since most of the time their worth is dependant on meta changes. This is where a different problem comes in which is balancing. You can't actually nerf or buff cards since that would decrease or increase their value. This means there is going to be a very stale environment around many cards or there is going to be new card releases which changes up the worth of your old cards drastically meaning you can lose a lot of steam currency this way. It makes for a very unhealthy stock market type card economy.
Average card packs don't yield 103 dust. I don't know who opened how many packs and did the calculations but if you open like 20-30 packs you will find that the average card pack yields like 40-50. See the average yield depends on how many card packs you open. If someone opens like 100+ packs or if someone gets lucky then that will have different average dust yield. Also by having the worst luck would mean that you get 23 rare cards and the rest only commons then that would yield 920 dust based on all 23 packs. That is not enough for even a single legendary. Besides only few legendary cards in artifact are that expansive but in hearthstone every legendary is as expansive as dusting about 50 card packs. TL;DR you don't know that the average yield is 103 dust per pack.
@Reb Doomer doesnt make artifact a good game tho, and imho steam market does more bad than good. Who knows if there wasnt steam market valve would make actually good games like it used to, not sitting on its ass, eating dick cheese and earning money from literally nothing. P.S. sorry for bad english, not my first language
We aren't defending steam market, we are defending common sence. If you can't use a thing that is simple to use, it's not that thing's fault, you're just old and disconnected. Steam market has been out there for quite a while, yet the outsiders that came with the artifact recently are the only ones who have ever complained about it. I wonder why forsenThink
At least you can sell cards and buy others or even buy other stuff on steam what does HS have ? Oh yeah 4 to 1 ratio for legendary cards. If you buy 50 packs mb you get 1 legendary card you want. Because blizzard didin't make enough money from that shit so they reduced legendary drops.
The Steam Item Trade Act Mobile Authenticator or the Abolition of the Steam Item Trade Act 2016, was an Act of the Parliament of Steam passed on 1 April 2016, with the title of "An Act for the Abolition of the Steam Item Trade". The original act is in the Email Comfirmation. The act abolished the Steam Item trade in the PC Empire, in particular the Steam Item trade, and also encouraged Steam action to press other gamers states to abolish their Steam Item trades, but it did not abolish trades itself. Many of the supporters thought the Act would lead to the death of trading, but it was not until 2 months later that trading itself was actually abolished. Trading on PC soil was unsupported in Steam law.
Falcons8455 To be fair the steam marketplace has an extremely convoluted interface. Almost everyone has problems with it initially. We’ve just used it enough that we don’t have those problems anymore. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s bad though.
@@caster269 Iunno I never used it until last week and that shit was braindead easy to navigate. Is it the the most clean ass looking UI in the world? Nah, but it is easy to use? Yeah
The market is not that hard to use once you get used to it. I've been using it since it only had tf2, Cs, dota support. Just make sure to use the filters provided and it should be clear. Has for the prices, it show's the biggest buy offer and the lowest sell offer, that said you can inspect the graphs to get a decent idea of the price/time you may expect when buying/selling and Iten. Since the card's can be converted to steam wallet found's which can be converted into your country's currency I'm sure the prices will stabilize, just don't quote me on that.
The prices you see in the game are the bid and ask prices like in any market place, but you can create a listing with whatever price you want. That being said this isn't clear for everyone and can screw people up valve should fix it
So there is a lot of UI issues for the steam marketplace, the confirmation system that uses the mobile authenticator makes MUCH more sense when you know how much abuse and scamming was done with the system before it was implemented. It didn't stop it but it certainly helped cut down on it all.
I like how it doesn't even cross Kripp's mind that Steam might be taking a cut of the profits for selling the cards. Not that I blame him, that part's also total BS but my God if that's not Steam then I don't know what is GabeN
And the money is all "steam monopoly money", so not only they own already 100% of the money put in this transaction. They will take a cut out of it as well.
Yeah - Steam is big platform, it doesn't have just 1 game on it that has digital items you can buy/sell. It could be better, but, most people when they download a platform to play games are not going to sit through a 20 minute tutorial on how to buy games, sell items, how to price them, where to find up-to-date prices, how to filter, etc.
I don't think the steam market is such a hassle to learn tho, 5 minites tops you can get the hang of it. Kripp in this video is probably overreacting or actually being a dumbass.
This shit is why I will not even bother ever trying out the game. I've already experienced how terrible the Steam market is by just trying to sell all my Dota 2 items.
Yeah blizzard's Auction House is so much better ;) oh wait there is no such thing and all that money you spend on blizzards games is completely useless.
Here at steam we give you the chance to pay for a card game so you can keep paying to play the game, If you don't like buying cards you can grind draft because surely you don't have a work or stuff to do with your time
I guess I have just used the market place for csgo and Dota 2 so like it isn’t that hard. But I do see Kripp’s “n00b” POV Edit: they (Valve) take a cut of sales.
This is the exact experience with almost the same dialogue that I had last night. I only use steam to download games and don't give a crap about the community or Forum or anything else other than playing games. Finding how to purchase a card through the Steam Community Market Place was a nightmare. I bought some cars last night, but still don't have them. Hope this thing works
I feel my intellect slowly draining away as i read through this comment section, why can people not understand meaning behind these things called opinions. Is the game expensive, yes, is hearthstone expensive, yes! Is instantly maxing a clash of clans base expensive, hell yes. The problem many people have is that we like to play games and earn stuff, my time for their imaginary crap, and i cant do that in Artifact.
The strongest card...the credit card... and it works on every game, because the card is fluid in all languages. Money talks when it needs to, after all.
good thing you can get your money back (even tho only parts of it most likely) from artifact, while the money you spend on hearthstone is basically wasted
it's really good the pricing scheme just doesnt allow for progression without paying. they should just use the hearthstone model. the game itself is so fuckign good
Valve will make improvements on it, I guarantee it. And these little haters will have nothing to hate on anymore. As for the game... It's insanely good.
Artifact: "I spent about $5-$10 on a deck, played some games, then went out on a date." Hearthstone: "I did 50 hours of grinding to get $10 worth of cards. YOUR GAME SUCKS I WIN." Magic: "I paid $800 for one deck. YOUR GAME SUCKS I WIN." Artifact: "......no. Not really. I'm pretty sure you guys aren't the winners here...." NU UH F**K YOU VALVE HOW DARE YOU BE SO GREEDY THAT I CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING FOR FREE AND MAKE MONEY OFF PLAYING A GAME.
no, theres a draft you can play to infinity and beyond for free, and if you go 4-2 you get a pack with cards that you own and can proceed to sell making you basically money once youre above 20bucks... this monetization model is one of the fairest on the entire market by giving you the possibility of making your money back by just f2p the steam market is hard to use if you cant even figure out whats written on buttons and are afraid to click them, but outside of that theres nothin wrong...
This game has a JC Penny problem, where they created a pricing model that is actually beneficial to consumers, but the consumers are so addicted to exploitative models that they actually believe they are being ripped off. There are several misconceptions about the pricing that I'll cover here. #1: No rewards: It's true that there's nothing to earn in this game, and that's arguably one of its best aspects. This game decided not to put players in a skinner box and be more upfront with the cost of cards. If there were free rewards being handed out, people could create extra accounts to milk them and scum the market, destroying the value of all collections. The point of having a collection of value, allows you to trade the cards you don't play for cards of similar values. This allows you to piece together meta decks on a budget, and ultimately is a far cheaper system then Hearthstone/Shadowverse. Instead of grinding in-game currency for months on end just to get one rare card, this game instead asks you to play for the fun of it and hands you draft mode right off the bat. If you play games for their progression systems rather than the content, you might have to ask yourself why you play at all. #2: You have to pay to play after buying the game: This is blatantly false. Arguably the most engaging feature of card games is draft, and you can play that infinitely for free here. This is easily worth the price of admission alone in my opinion. For constructed, there is a menu for free play that matches you up with random players of a hidden elo/mmr. You can also play directly with your friends easily, and even use their decks! It's as if your friend handed you their deck from across the table like any other CCG. This is a first for an online card game and really allows you to get more out of your collection. The only thing you would have to pay for is $1.25 for a ticket that allows you to attempt to win 5 games without losing two, and gives you prizes for winning 3+. It's pretty easy to win at least three, and that refunds you the ticket! Anything more wins you packs in addition to a ticket, so it's really simple to stretch value out of that ticket if you do decide to pay. You could additionally buy 20 cards that cost five cents, and turn them into a ticket, costing you only a dollar. This price is really reasonable, and maintains the value of everyone's collection as it gives the cards you could win a price. #3: This game is expensive: Reporters have mathed out that you could buy every copy of every card in the game for $300. This is an amazing deal for a CCG but it is also a ridiculous hypothetical. No player needs every card to be competitive, and you start with a serious chunk at the outset. There is a serious force that keep prices in check as well; every pack of cards contains at least one card of the highest rarity. So the supply of rare cards is large enough that they have a hard limit on how high their price can climb. For the history of this game this feature is intended to keep meta deck prices (from scratch) within $30 - $50. Compare this to Magic where meta decks can cost hundreds. But the most important thing to note about this is you can straight up trade cards you already have FOR 85% OF THEIR MARKET VALUE. Compare that to dusting systems in other card games that likely give you 1/8th to 1/10th of the currency (that you can only spend within that game). New card set coming out? Sell them for money, and snipe the meta cards with it. Your collection will depreciate orders of magnitude less than say Hearthstone or Shadowverse where a new set drops the value of your collection by nearly exactly the ratio of new cards introduced. This is because you can't trade or sell those cards, period. If you haven't gathered by now, I see this monitization as a fair and positive development in the loot-box skinner-box paradigm we're normally subjected to. And if you think of the pros it offers, and why they made the decision to try it as opposed to proven methods, I hope you'll see it that way too. Finally I have to mention what's bringing people to this game in the first place. The gameplay is not a 'dumbed down for mobile' spin on CCGs. It takes advantage of mechanics that could only work in digital to add interesting decisions - instead of adding excessive randomness to generate hype youtube compilations. What you are left with is something that could potentially rival Magic in a few sets, finally bringing the best aspects of card games into the modern era. I'm obviously really excited about this game, and I hope people give it a fair chance to succeed.
Like the game, but it has problems with its random cards like Bounty Hunters Crit and 5 mana green improvement, that gives you the chance to avoid death in 50% if the time, I'd call those cards pretty bullshit
MTG could use this absurd monetizarion cause it was the first big CCG, and physical. This? This is outright disgusting exploitation. Fuck valve greed. They chose the wrong year to be assholes, several publishers going down, one more would just make it better.
The steam circlejerk needs to end - the games are way overpriced with the same tat trotted out every few months in the "sale" and now they are acting like pawnbrokers over pixels.
Only people defending this game are people who don't understand that the Steam Marketplace is terribly flawed and that this business practice is really just uninviting to any casual player... You pay for the game but then if you want to play the game FOR REAL you have to pay even more. This works for physical card games due to collectability but with a digital model there is literally nothing tangible. And also not ignoring the fact that you play it to queue against other players for quick back-to-back matches so the casual experience is really bad because you're gonna need to play meta for a decently enjoyable experience, at least from what I gather of the matchmaking system so far
so if i buy a pack in hearthstone (cant talk about MTG since i never played it) how is hearthstones monetization model fair ? you buy packs for realmoney, and get dust back, while in Artifact you buy the cards, and can get back some of that money :/ you basically waste money on hearthstone as soon as you quit, while in Artifact you can not only get packs for free, but also play draft mode for free infinitely and get a pack everytime you hit 4-2 getting cards you can proceed to sell on the stema market to get more revenue :/ pls tell me how this monetization model is unfair to consumers if you can get your 20bucks you invested back easily ? xd
@@nitishdhamal1082 So then play casual, LOL. The only thing the comp modes give you is more tickets, and if you're really fucking good another pack or two. Not exactly a sustainable way of grinding out more packs. What happened to people playing for fun instead of for the grind? Grinding is just padding to make a game seem bigger than it really is, and it's a waste of time. I'd rather spend a bit of money and have everything right off the bat and get to use it however I see fit, than spend months trying to get it all for free. My time is precious, and I don't have enough of it to grind for several hours every day.
@@digiquo8143 that's not the issue it's an intuitively competitive game so people want to play the competitive mode which means pay more money casual drafts are fine for a while but why not have a ladder or some kind of free competitive mode its just not fun
@@beckman1248 There's already hidden MMR for the casual modes. You may not know exactly where on the ladder you are, but you can rest assured that your matches will be fairly balanced. Frankly, I don't think Artifact needs a visible ladder. All it does is invite more toxicity because you get people claiming they ought to be a higher MMR than they really are, or that they always face off against smurfs, or some other contrived conspiracy theory. It happens in Dota all the time. As long as Artifact has open qualifiers for it's official tournaments, I see no reason for people to see their MMR for matchmaking purposes, because more often than not, the people that actually give a shit about MMR will never even attempt to enter an actual tournament.
@@digiquo8143 a hidden mmr is not a competitive mode people like to see progression and I don't think people would complain about their personal mmr if it was a visible ladder the reason people bitch about it in DotA is usually because they think they lost because of teammates so it's way different being a 1v1 game. A ranking of some kind would be a benefit and actually give a person a reason to keep playing the game. Otherwise all your saying is Artifact is a great game to play every now and then casually when you have time to kill. competitive modes (progression) keep people coming back.
If you make a card game, where the marketplace has a huge importance, you might not wanna make it so people under 150 iq would be able to navigate it. It just looks like it was programmed by some unpaid intern.
@@WhiteRidre the steam market is literally the steam market, not the artifact market. I think this was a bad move by valve. It makes it harder to find cards unless you know to apply a game filter. And its bad that the market is so over flooded with artifact that other games items arent being shown on the front page to generate intrest for those games
steam market is absolute shit for sure but clearly kripp doesn't know how to navigate through that shit. When selling the prices auto fill to the highest buy order which is annoying if you're trying to get as much as you can, but it's good for people that want to actually get their shit sold. If you click on the item on the market you can see the all the buy and sell orders for that item with some statistics as well so with that you can set the price properly without getting fucked by price fixers.
@Kripp if u by any chance see this comment, why don't u make a brief commentary about what is this bullshit really about? I mean like a 10 minute short with pure explanation of economy and maybe some teasers of Axe's Powah!
Remember when people said this game would kill hearthstone or at least be a serious competitor? Lol this shit can't even compete with gwent and can barely get to fucking garbage cans levels like eternal.
I dont know how anyone enjoys this random effect card game. And it's the worse kind of randomness that can be in card games. 50/50 bad or good effect. Its shitty lazy design. This games fails hard. We already have hearth rng stone for randomness. Magic the gathering is near perfect card design with the rng being related to land draw mostly. Mtg arena, legends, hearthstone in that order for me. Casuals will say hearthstone first obviously. But where does that leave artifact? Great mechanics with shotty card design and hearthstone rng. It's dead on arrival. It is bad for casuals and bad for serious players.
100% agreed. I, too, believe the game design failed hard by trying to be "less casual but still casual", it makes it just bad. Also better mechanics exist, imho lightmare studio's infinity wars' is the very best card game ever made yet in terms of gameplay and skill involvement.
even though artifact is bad, dont blame the market please, its not that hard for me, i dont know how much you guys know about the market, but the feature having to confirm sell makes it very safe, and even if your account gets hacked there's no way for someone to actually steal or delete or even sell your items. Valve imo has done a realy good job and keeping security before comfort.
the steam marketplace is the best thing you could wish for... if you buy packs in HS with realmoney youre basically wasting money as soon as you quit that game, or it goes offline forever... while in Steam you can always sell your cards getting yourself a net revenue once you get past the games price you bought it for
Man I love Kripp but this is absolutely ridiculous. That was at the start of release and prizes weren't updates on that screen, when you go to the actual market you will see updated prizes right away. It's a shame there is this widespread misinformation of artifact being expensive, when in fact it is the cheapest digital card game available right now if you're going to spend money. People consider hearthstone free to play but have to spend months to grind with shitty decks to get cards, every expansion it's the same thing. And if you want to spend money on hearthstone it is incredibly expensive. Do some research people, this game is a steal.
The fact that this game costs money is disgusting. I used to love Steam and Valve, but their business practice went to hardcore greed and their game quality is absolute garbage.
i mean that is what they do with all their actual games lol Valve is not like a fan of "f2p" stuff i think only Dota was free from the very beggining and still that was totally necessary.
Fuck people working for years on a product and asking money for their work, right? Who dafuq wants to be paid for their years of work on this? Cuz if you work on something, I'm sure you don't need any reward for it (money). Oh no, you did it all out of love for people. The ammount of snobby kids like you who think they deserve everything for free is too damn high. Stick to Hearthstone.
@@Ph3oh they are not getting paid for their years of work, they are getting paid because they put an Artificial RNG mechanic where you will be forced to put money in and hope for the best or wait and see people putting money on the slot machine and hoping to get the left overs. If they were paid for their work they would put a cost label on the game and give you every card so people can just play the damn game how every they want.
@@SamuraiMotoko Ahem... Ever heard of the Steam Marketplace? Like I invested 4 pounds and I got half the cards already by trading and selling what I don't want, buying what I need. :) also, compared to other CCGs, TCGs, this is by far the best route they took. You feel you are in control of what you wanna go for. By this system, I was able to aquire the red and blue cards I want to go 5-1 in Expert Constructed and win me my ticket back + 2 packs.
you get a pack everytime you go 4-2 in draft mode (which is basically HS arena) for free and being able to play it aslong as artifact is running ( basically everytime you want) so once oyu get the pack, you can sell the cards in those packs, giving you revenue and once you go over the price oyu bought the game for you are somehow making net revenue ? :O POGCHAMP and thats all FREE2FUCKINPLAY
He used to be the best and the smartest PoE player in the world. Now look at him, look what happens when you play a brainless MtG rip off game for waaay too long.
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He is right tho, the steam market place is absolute trash to navigate and use
In fact, the whole Steam interface is pretty confusing to use. The customer support UI is an absolute nightmare.
The system is like this because of the huge history of scammers on steam. That is at least the official reason
Adalwolf What customer support, lol
I have had 0 problems using the steam market. There is nothing badly wrong with it. I’d call it good tbh. Always can find exactly what I’m looking for. People have been using it to trade for years on years with no problems and then hearthstone normies wanna come over and whine about it. Grow the fuck up. Can y’all actually give me some problems with it?
steam has one of the best and easiest to use markets ever ...
no idea what you people have been using the market for
Artifact : the credit card game
Is WoW free? Is battlefield free? Is CSGO free? Is FIFA19 free? Is pubg free? Is overwatch free? Is GTA5 free? Is Red dead redemption free? Is MHW free? Is Fallout free? Is Skyrim free?
@@zentumaisle5925 CS:GO is free :3
HS is the most expensive card game there is.
@@Happojee www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/217252-hearthstone-is-too-expensive I just read this post and I don't understand why people say Hearthstone is better because it is free lol.. I played Hearthstone for a year and it is impossible to win and catch up without money
@@zentumaisle5925 Yes, you need approx 100-120e for meta deck if you start from nothing.
Valve seriously needs to exclude any valve tax from artifact on the market
You are a fcking lunatic... or just a little kid
They advertise it as "open market" but its not really an open market if youre taxing all of the transactions :d
@@ThorneAshwell did you ever use steam market... it always had and always will have 15% tax on all items.
While on Steam you can turn around your money and winnings , in Hearthstone you can only disenchant cards for around 3/10 of their value... and eventually when prices for cards fall on market , you can get all common and almost all uncommons for under 5 euros and that is cheap for a card game.
@Chibikki you misunderstood me, i made comparison of steam market and hearthstone dusting . I didnt say there is market for hearthstone. You may need some reading comprehension classes
At least if they want the game to stay alive.
I can't believe Valve fucked this up. They had so much to learn from previous card games, and they decided to come up with the worst monetization model possible.
this is way better than hearthstone. Yeah right now a few 10 cards are high price $5-$20. But in time all cards will drop. And you can build meta decks for probably $5. While in heartstone you would need to buy at least 50 packs, and then get some luck to get legendaries, so you can dust them for other cards.
Fossegrim yeah except in hearthstone it’s very easy to not spend any money and still build meta decks
@@mbas5912 by getting 1 pack per day?
@fossgrim You are obviously not a proficient HS arena player, I grinded all legendaries in knights of the frozen throne in the arena without buying anything. If you manage to get an average winrate of 6.0 arena pays for itself and you even have spare gold for extra packs and additional dust which can be spent on the cards you actually want to have.
In artifact on the other hand you have to recycle cards to gain more draft keys, which would be like spending dust for arena in HS.
The monetization in artifact is really the worst of any online card game ever and I managed to build all meta decks in HS and a lot of fun decks without spending a dime, all it takes are long arena grinds and Artifact is missing exactly that, therefore it is a pure credit card game unlike HS.
Missing dailys is terrible as well.
@@meinname8511 You can't expect most HS player to get an average winrate of 6.0 in arena. And I would rather buy a deck for $5 instantly, then be forced to grind for it for 10+ hours or so. Is $5 really worth that much time for you?
Quick math comparison:
32 dollars for axe,
32 dollars is about 23 packs in hearthstone, which is 115 cards with at least 23 rare cards if you have the worst luck. Average card packs yield 103 dust according to statistics, which means you only need 17-18 packs of continuously unlucky to craft any card in the game.
Taking that math no card in hearthstone cost more than 24-25 dollars ever.
No card in heartstone is actually worth anything lol
It has real value in that card you stupid fool, it means you can resell it to get real money. It can also be a kind of investment because card value will go up or down. What you get for spending money in fartstone? When you quit that game all your money spent is gone
The difference in my opinion is that if you buy 23 packs, you aren’t guaranteed to get what you want. With this, at least you know what you’re getting.
60 bucks for a fake card is ridiculous tho.
@@zentumaisle5925 the problem with your statement is you are very dependant on the state of the game. The worth of your card changes a lot and the "value" you have is only steam currency its not actual money. It is risky to depend on being able to resell cards for their value since most of the time their worth is dependant on meta changes. This is where a different problem comes in which is balancing. You can't actually nerf or buff cards since that would decrease or increase their value. This means there is going to be a very stale environment around many cards or there is going to be new card releases which changes up the worth of your old cards drastically meaning you can lose a lot of steam currency this way. It makes for a very unhealthy stock market type card economy.
Average card packs don't yield 103 dust. I don't know who opened how many packs and did the calculations but if you open like 20-30 packs you will find that the average card pack yields like 40-50. See the average yield depends on how many card packs you open. If someone opens like 100+ packs or if someone gets lucky then that will have different average dust yield. Also by having the worst luck would mean that you get 23 rare cards and the rest only commons then that would yield 920 dust based on all 23 packs. That is not enough for even a single legendary. Besides only few legendary cards in artifact are that expansive but in hearthstone every legendary is as expansive as dusting about 50 card packs.
TL;DR you don't know that the average yield is 103 dust per pack.
Imagine being triggered by this video and furiously defending steam market/artifact in the comments forsenOMEGA
@Reb Doomer doesnt make artifact a good game tho, and imho steam market does more bad than good. Who knows if there wasnt steam market valve would make actually good games like it used to, not sitting on its ass, eating dick cheese and earning money from literally nothing.
P.S. sorry for bad english, not my first language
@@Pivozavr35 Artifact is an enjoyable game in my opinion, some things need fixing obviously but it's pretty good and would recommend it.
@@crimsonfury949 but that wasn't at all what you we're talking about...
@@opolino2912 But that's where Vidaldas moved the goal post...
We aren't defending steam market, we are defending common sence. If you can't use a thing that is simple to use, it's not that thing's fault, you're just old and disconnected. Steam market has been out there for quite a while, yet the outsiders that came with the artifact recently are the only ones who have ever complained about it. I wonder why forsenThink
HS killer LUL
nothing can kill HS. HS is too casual. Everyone knew Artifact wouldn't destroy HS. Maybe if it was more casual, but then I would never have played it.
What idiot said this would kill HS? lmao
nothing can kill mcdonalds either because people love trash food
At least you can sell cards and buy others or even buy other stuff on steam what does HS have ? Oh yeah 4 to 1 ratio for legendary cards. If you buy 50 packs mb you get 1 legendary card you want. Because blizzard didin't make enough money from that shit so they reduced legendary drops.
@@Sijuste0 HS 4 to 1 ratio is better than Artifact; who would Change me 4 Lorewalkers cho for a Bloodreaver Guldan?
Wow, all 300 active users of this game disliked the video OMEGALUL
The Steam Item Trade Act Mobile Authenticator or the Abolition of the Steam Item Trade Act 2016, was an Act of the Parliament of Steam passed on 1 April 2016, with the title of "An Act for the Abolition of the Steam Item Trade". The original act is in the Email Comfirmation. The act abolished the Steam Item trade in the PC Empire, in particular the Steam Item trade, and also encouraged Steam action to press other gamers states to abolish their Steam Item trades, but it did not abolish trades itself. Many of the supporters thought the Act would lead to the death of trading, but it was not until 2 months later that trading itself was actually abolished. Trading on PC soil was unsupported in Steam law.
I MISSED YOU SALT, MASTER, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
I'm doing some DotA related stuff now :(
You thought Blizzard was greedy? Now watch Valve start an already uphill battle taking the MASSIVE greed path
kripp is acting like a dad here not being able to navigate through this lol
Falcons8455 To be fair the steam marketplace has an extremely convoluted interface. Almost everyone has problems with it initially. We’ve just used it enough that we don’t have those problems anymore. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s bad though.
@@caster269 Iunno I never used it until last week and that shit was braindead easy to navigate. Is it the the most clean ass looking UI in the world? Nah, but it is easy to use? Yeah
When people used to games have problems navigating, they are not "dads", the interface sucks.
@@Tentacl I don't like the in-game interface but Steam itself has never generated a problem to me in the Store and Marketplace...
more like a baby whining because he has to click confirm.
Would you like to play a game? GabeN
The market is not that hard to use once you get used to it. I've been using it since it only had tf2, Cs, dota support.
Just make sure to use the filters provided and it should be clear. Has for the prices, it show's the biggest buy offer and the lowest sell offer, that said you can inspect the graphs to get a decent idea of the price/time you may expect when buying/selling and Iten.
Since the card's can be converted to steam wallet found's which can be converted into your country's currency I'm sure the prices will stabilize, just don't quote me on that.
At least the soundtrack’s good.
HippoInABottle I AM A DOGGIE pepeJAM I AM A DOGGIE pepeJAM
and the game is by far the best TCG yet.
@@Softlol that comment didnt age well
GOLEM still is the only tcg i would bother to play. But yeah its dead.
The prices you see in the game are the bid and ask prices like in any market place, but you can create a listing with whatever price you want. That being said this isn't clear for everyone and can screw people up valve should fix it
So there is a lot of UI issues for the steam marketplace, the confirmation system that uses the mobile authenticator makes MUCH more sense when you know how much abuse and scamming was done with the system before it was implemented. It didn't stop it but it certainly helped cut down on it all.
They probably want to force people to sell those cards for less
Miss your videos :( best salt compilations
i sold all my excess cards using the quick method, 30 packs worth. thanks for the info.
Did you break even or make a profit?
Now this is a place for speculators.
But after a couple of months, these cards will cost a couple of cents.
yeah axe/drow will still be the higest costing cards, but they will cost like $5 at most.
Just like MTG... Who could've guessed ?
I don't see a problem w steam market....u buy things off of market, not in the game store.
Also, steam guard is fine cuz it makes it more secure
Buy high sell low the excess goes to Valve lol
Do you guys not have phones??? Cause your F#$%ed if you don't.
LoL
When you buy a card it shows you the cheapest price, when you sell it shows you the highest buy order, get it? You can sell for more if you want.
in this video: kripp does not understand how steam works
Learned my lesson from MtGO. Not gonna invest money in tradeable online card game. Just play casual and spent it with no expectation.
Normies got to Pepega , What weird time are we living FeelsWeirdMan
I like Krip now he is not playing that bullcrap HS. I was watching him often back on PoE and Diablo days.
I like how it doesn't even cross Kripp's mind that Steam might be taking a cut of the profits for selling the cards.
Not that I blame him, that part's also total BS but my God if that's not Steam then I don't know what is GabeN
What does that have to do with Artifact suggesting he sell axe for ~$12 when it's only buyable for ~$60?
What doesn't cross his mind is that the prices artifact suggest is the prices where you can instantly buy/sell the item
how is that BS? Of course they want a cut. Why make a free trade model when they can get a % of your sale?
And the money is all "steam monopoly money", so not only they own already 100% of the money put in this transaction. They will take a cut out of it as well.
@@Softlol because then earn enough anyway? Do good in this life.
Damn I'm glad I opted out of this, fees upon fees upon fees (pack cost, ticket cost, valve tax on items they've already been paid for). No thanks.
where r u?
Yeah - Steam is big platform, it doesn't have just 1 game on it that has digital items you can buy/sell.
It could be better, but, most people when they download a platform to play games are not going to sit through a 20 minute tutorial on how to buy games, sell items, how to price them, where to find up-to-date prices, how to filter, etc.
Oh, I assume you don't take time to learn new things then? The instant you touch something you have mastered it?
Swaghetti Yologness it’s actually part of my job.
@@MrFuggleGuggle and your job is what exactly?
Swaghetti Yologness Software Quality Assurance.
I don't think the steam market is such a hassle to learn tho, 5 minites tops you can get the hang of it. Kripp in this video is probably overreacting or actually being a dumbass.
This shit is why I will not even bother ever trying out the game. I've already experienced how terrible the Steam market is by just trying to sell all my Dota 2 items.
Yeah blizzard's Auction House is so much better ;) oh wait there is no such thing and all that money you spend on blizzards games is completely useless.
@@Sijuste0 wtf that's not even his point
sounds to me more like you lack the brainpower of fiddling around with shit for 10minutes...
People views about artifact-
1- (They got money) - Nice game , good depth.Like
2- (They have no money)- Pay to win , Dislike.
Hehe
So basically the game is ass
uh, I've only paid the 20$ game price and i love it
Sounds like a new HS expansion to me
I have money. I'm not a kid willing to be exploited. Grow up.
@@MrCaptainFlash i am pretty sure i play most of the HS expansions without pay a single $ and im not complaining about that XD just saying.
"Oh dude, Axe is tanking"
Realistic to Dota 2?
Here at steam we give you the chance to pay for a card game so you can keep paying to play the game, If you don't like buying cards you can grind draft because surely you don't have a work or stuff to do with your time
... but still pay from time to time, cuz you can't dodge rake. Yes I believe poker terminology is appropriate : skill-influenced RNG right there.
I guess I have just used the market place for csgo and Dota 2 so like it isn’t that hard. But I do see Kripp’s “n00b” POV
Edit: they (Valve) take a cut of sales.
Pepega BUY AXECOIN Pepega TO THE MOON
This is the exact experience with almost the same dialogue that I had last night. I only use steam to download games and don't give a crap about the community or Forum or anything else other than playing games. Finding how to purchase a card through the Steam Community Market Place was a nightmare. I bought some cars last night, but still don't have them. Hope this thing works
That fucking axe card went up and down in price all the time! Such a fucking risk and i lost 12 fucking dollars on it!
Steam just knows the cards are worthless already so it suggests the lowest possible
Old Man Kripp doesn't know how to use the Steam Community Market.
I feel my intellect slowly draining away as i read through this comment section, why can people not understand meaning behind these things called opinions. Is the game expensive, yes, is hearthstone expensive, yes! Is instantly maxing a clash of clans base expensive, hell yes. The problem many people have is that we like to play games and earn stuff, my time for their imaginary crap, and i cant do that in Artifact.
The strongest card...the credit card... and it works on every game, because the card is fluid in all languages. Money talks when it needs to, after all.
good thing you can get your money back (even tho only parts of it most likely) from artifact, while the money you spend on hearthstone is basically wasted
welcome to steam kripp
Yeah... this new Artifact game... it's *NOT GOOD.*
Is this a fantano reference?
@@lilysdong1457 Feeling a strong 10 on this comment.
it's really good the pricing scheme just doesnt allow for progression without paying. they should just use the hearthstone model. the game itself is so fuckign good
its by far the best TCG i have ever played.
Valve will make improvements on it, I guarantee it. And these little haters will have nothing to hate on anymore. As for the game... It's insanely good.
Artifact: "I spent about $5-$10 on a deck, played some games, then went out on a date."
Hearthstone: "I did 50 hours of grinding to get $10 worth of cards. YOUR GAME SUCKS I WIN."
Magic: "I paid $800 for one deck. YOUR GAME SUCKS I WIN."
Artifact: "......no. Not really. I'm pretty sure you guys aren't the winners here...."
NU UH F**K YOU VALVE HOW DARE YOU BE SO GREEDY THAT I CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING FOR FREE AND MAKE MONEY OFF PLAYING A GAME.
how the fuck so many people don't know how to use market system properly god damn this was frustrating to watch
1st time playing games ? Or just first time using steam ?
Just think, you have to buy into the game, to buy more just to have any chance.
no, theres a draft you can play to infinity and beyond for free, and if you go 4-2 you get a pack with cards that you own and can proceed to sell making you basically money once youre above 20bucks... this monetization model is one of the fairest on the entire market by giving you the possibility of making your money back by just f2p
the steam market is hard to use if you cant even figure out whats written on buttons and are afraid to click them, but outside of that theres nothin wrong...
Kripp is so Pepega , idk how ppl still watch him
Pepega IS HE?
two months later axe is 7 USD pepeLaugh
This is just a video on how Kripparrian has no clue how the Steam client works
kripp has no idea how steam market place works lmao
This game has a JC Penny problem, where they created a pricing model that is actually beneficial to consumers, but the consumers are so addicted to exploitative models that they actually believe they are being ripped off.
There are several misconceptions about the pricing that I'll cover here.
#1: No rewards: It's true that there's nothing to earn in this game, and that's arguably one of its best aspects. This game decided not to put players in a skinner box and be more upfront with the cost of cards. If there were free rewards being handed out, people could create extra accounts to milk them and scum the market, destroying the value of all collections. The point of having a collection of value, allows you to trade the cards you don't play for cards of similar values. This allows you to piece together meta decks on a budget, and ultimately is a far cheaper system then Hearthstone/Shadowverse. Instead of grinding in-game currency for months on end just to get one rare card, this game instead asks you to play for the fun of it and hands you draft mode right off the bat. If you play games for their progression systems rather than the content, you might have to ask yourself why you play at all.
#2: You have to pay to play after buying the game: This is blatantly false. Arguably the most engaging feature of card games is draft, and you can play that infinitely for free here. This is easily worth the price of admission alone in my opinion. For constructed, there is a menu for free play that matches you up with random players of a hidden elo/mmr. You can also play directly with your friends easily, and even use their decks! It's as if your friend handed you their deck from across the table like any other CCG. This is a first for an online card game and really allows you to get more out of your collection. The only thing you would have to pay for is $1.25 for a ticket that allows you to attempt to win 5 games without losing two, and gives you prizes for winning 3+. It's pretty easy to win at least three, and that refunds you the ticket! Anything more wins you packs in addition to a ticket, so it's really simple to stretch value out of that ticket if you do decide to pay. You could additionally buy 20 cards that cost five cents, and turn them into a ticket, costing you only a dollar. This price is really reasonable, and maintains the value of everyone's collection as it gives the cards you could win a price.
#3: This game is expensive: Reporters have mathed out that you could buy every copy of every card in the game for $300. This is an amazing deal for a CCG but it is also a ridiculous hypothetical. No player needs every card to be competitive, and you start with a serious chunk at the outset.
There is a serious force that keep prices in check as well; every pack of cards contains at least one card of the highest rarity. So the supply of rare cards is large enough that they have a hard limit on how high their price can climb. For the history of this game this feature is intended to keep meta deck prices (from scratch) within $30 - $50. Compare this to Magic where meta decks can cost hundreds.
But the most important thing to note about this is you can straight up trade cards you already have FOR 85% OF THEIR MARKET VALUE. Compare that to dusting systems in other card games that likely give you 1/8th to 1/10th of the currency (that you can only spend within that game). New card set coming out? Sell them for money, and snipe the meta cards with it. Your collection will depreciate orders of magnitude less than say Hearthstone or Shadowverse where a new set drops the value of your collection by nearly exactly the ratio of new cards introduced. This is because you can't trade or sell those cards, period.
If you haven't gathered by now, I see this monitization as a fair and positive development in the loot-box skinner-box paradigm we're normally subjected to. And if you think of the pros it offers, and why they made the decision to try it as opposed to proven methods, I hope you'll see it that way too.
Finally I have to mention what's bringing people to this game in the first place. The gameplay is not a 'dumbed down for mobile' spin on CCGs. It takes advantage of mechanics that could only work in digital to add interesting decisions - instead of adding excessive randomness to generate hype youtube compilations. What you are left with is something that could potentially rival Magic in a few sets, finally bringing the best aspects of card games into the modern era.
I'm obviously really excited about this game, and I hope people give it a fair chance to succeed.
Anonymous Anonymous 10 shekels have been deposited to your steam wallet
Like the game, but it has problems with its random cards like Bounty Hunters Crit and 5 mana green improvement, that gives you the chance to avoid death in 50% if the time, I'd call those cards pretty bullshit
Skillcap is a lot higher than HS and Magic though
MTG could use this absurd monetizarion cause it was the first big CCG, and physical. This? This is outright disgusting exploitation. Fuck valve greed. They chose the wrong year to be assholes, several publishers going down, one more would just make it better.
@@NickV2000 If you think this game has insane RNG, please play Hearthstone. We'll talk then. :)
i really enjoy it. the pricing is horrible though
The steam circlejerk needs to end - the games are way overpriced with the same tat trotted out every few months in the "sale" and now they are acting like pawnbrokers over pixels.
Only people defending this game are people who don't understand that the Steam Marketplace is terribly flawed and that this business practice is really just uninviting to any casual player... You pay for the game but then if you want to play the game FOR REAL you have to pay even more. This works for physical card games due to collectability but with a digital model there is literally nothing tangible. And also not ignoring the fact that you play it to queue against other players for quick back-to-back matches so the casual experience is really bad because you're gonna need to play meta for a decently enjoyable experience, at least from what I gather of the matchmaking system so far
so if i buy a pack in hearthstone (cant talk about MTG since i never played it) how is hearthstones monetization model fair ? you buy packs for realmoney, and get dust back, while in Artifact you buy the cards, and can get back some of that money :/
you basically waste money on hearthstone as soon as you quit, while in Artifact you can not only get packs for free, but also play draft mode for free infinitely and get a pack everytime you hit 4-2 getting cards you can proceed to sell on the stema market to get more revenue :/
pls tell me how this monetization model is unfair to consumers if you can get your 20bucks you invested back easily ? xd
This guy never used steam????
But infinite drafting though
I love this lol
Can he read?
Ofc you can play without spending more money. Just play draft
Draft costs money lol, only casual mode doesn't
@@nitishdhamal1082 So then play casual, LOL. The only thing the comp modes give you is more tickets, and if you're really fucking good another pack or two. Not exactly a sustainable way of grinding out more packs.
What happened to people playing for fun instead of for the grind? Grinding is just padding to make a game seem bigger than it really is, and it's a waste of time. I'd rather spend a bit of money and have everything right off the bat and get to use it however I see fit, than spend months trying to get it all for free. My time is precious, and I don't have enough of it to grind for several hours every day.
@@digiquo8143 that's not the issue it's an intuitively competitive game so people want to play the competitive mode which means pay more money casual drafts are fine for a while but why not have a ladder or some kind of free competitive mode its just not fun
@@beckman1248 There's already hidden MMR for the casual modes. You may not know exactly where on the ladder you are, but you can rest assured that your matches will be fairly balanced.
Frankly, I don't think Artifact needs a visible ladder. All it does is invite more toxicity because you get people claiming they ought to be a higher MMR than they really are, or that they always face off against smurfs, or some other contrived conspiracy theory. It happens in Dota all the time.
As long as Artifact has open qualifiers for it's official tournaments, I see no reason for people to see their MMR for matchmaking purposes, because more often than not, the people that actually give a shit about MMR will never even attempt to enter an actual tournament.
@@digiquo8143 a hidden mmr is not a competitive mode people like to see progression and I don't think people would complain about their personal mmr if it was a visible ladder the reason people bitch about it in DotA is usually because they think they lost because of teammates so it's way different being a 1v1 game. A ranking of some kind would be a benefit and actually give a person a reason to keep playing the game. Otherwise all your saying is Artifact is a great game to play every now and then casually when you have time to kill. competitive modes (progression) keep people coming back.
I've missed you salterino :(
Blizzard games truly make people stupid, huh
If you make a card game, where the marketplace has a huge importance, you might not wanna make it so people under 150 iq would be able to navigate it.
It just looks like it was programmed by some unpaid intern.
@@WhiteRidre the steam market is literally the steam market, not the artifact market. I think this was a bad move by valve. It makes it harder to find cards unless you know to apply a game filter. And its bad that the market is so over flooded with artifact that other games items arent being shown on the front page to generate intrest for those games
True
The title should changed to "How bad Kripp uses Steam Market"
Gwent ftw
*Valve would like to know your location*
steam market is absolute shit for sure but clearly kripp doesn't know how to navigate through that shit. When selling the prices auto fill to the highest buy order which is annoying if you're trying to get as much as you can, but it's good for people that want to actually get their shit sold. If you click on the item on the market you can see the all the buy and sell orders for that item with some statistics as well so with that you can set the price properly without getting fucked by price fixers.
@Kripp if u by any chance see this comment, why don't u make a brief commentary about what is this bullshit really about? I mean like a 10 minute short with pure explanation of economy and maybe some teasers of Axe's Powah!
Remember when people said this game would kill hearthstone or at least be a serious competitor? Lol this shit can't even compete with gwent and can barely get to fucking garbage cans levels like eternal.
Pay to play
Pay to win
Pay to watch ?
I dont know how anyone enjoys this random effect card game. And it's the worse kind of randomness that can be in card games. 50/50 bad or good effect. Its shitty lazy design. This games fails hard. We already have hearth rng stone for randomness. Magic the gathering is near perfect card design with the rng being related to land draw mostly. Mtg arena, legends, hearthstone in that order for me. Casuals will say hearthstone first obviously. But where does that leave artifact? Great mechanics with shotty card design and hearthstone rng. It's dead on arrival. It is bad for casuals and bad for serious players.
100% agreed. I, too, believe the game design failed hard by trying to be "less casual but still casual", it makes it just bad. Also better mechanics exist, imho lightmare studio's infinity wars' is the very best card game ever made yet in terms of gameplay and skill involvement.
So steam just earn all the gold difference? Wow this game is made to earn easy money like the mobile diablo
Artifacts are not for peasant
Certainly not, peasants probably won't be able to afford it.
At least they have time to spare playing f2ps.
Welcome back
Krip obviously never invested before... sperging out about market orders....
Oh, so this channel is still a thing?
...
Nice!
i dont see the problem
even though artifact is bad, dont blame the market please, its not that hard for me, i dont know how much you guys know about the market, but the feature having to confirm sell makes it very safe, and even if your account gets hacked there's no way for someone to actually steal or delete or even sell your items. Valve imo has done a realy good job and keeping security before comfort.
If there's one guy to take monetization advice from, it's obviously that penny-begging blizz shill for sure.
Steam marketplace has always been absolute garbage. It's hilarious Valve would tie their game to their horrible store.
the steam marketplace is the best thing you could wish for... if you buy packs in HS with realmoney youre basically wasting money as soon as you quit that game, or it goes offline forever...
while in Steam you can always sell your cards getting yourself a net revenue once you get past the games price you bought it for
@@felixmustermann790 LOL you must feal stupid now, 1 year after launch
Real bad.
Im glad never touch this game
Man I love Kripp but this is absolutely ridiculous. That was at the start of release and prizes weren't updates on that screen, when you go to the actual market you will see updated prizes right away. It's a shame there is this widespread misinformation of artifact being expensive, when in fact it is the cheapest digital card game available right now if you're going to spend money. People consider hearthstone free to play but have to spend months to grind with shitty decks to get cards, every expansion it's the same thing. And if you want to spend money on hearthstone it is incredibly expensive. Do some research people, this game is a steal.
defending artifact LUL
The fact that this game costs money is disgusting. I used to love Steam and Valve, but their business practice went to hardcore greed and their game quality is absolute garbage.
i mean that is what they do with all their actual games lol Valve is not like a fan of "f2p" stuff i think only Dota was free from the very beggining and still that was totally necessary.
you get in game items worth more than $20...
Fuck people working for years on a product and asking money for their work, right? Who dafuq wants to be paid for their years of work on this? Cuz if you work on something, I'm sure you don't need any reward for it (money). Oh no, you did it all out of love for people.
The ammount of snobby kids like you who think they deserve everything for free is too damn high. Stick to Hearthstone.
@@Ph3oh they are not getting paid for their years of work, they are getting paid because they put an Artificial RNG mechanic where you will be forced to put money in and hope for the best or wait and see people putting money on the slot machine and hoping to get the left overs.
If they were paid for their work they would put a cost label on the game and give you every card so people can just play the damn game how every they want.
@@SamuraiMotoko Ahem... Ever heard of the Steam Marketplace? Like I invested 4 pounds and I got half the cards already by trading and selling what I don't want, buying what I need. :) also, compared to other CCGs, TCGs, this is by far the best route they took. You feel you are in control of what you wanna go for. By this system, I was able to aquire the red and blue cards I want to go 5-1 in Expert Constructed and win me my ticket back + 2 packs.
PEPEGA
DO YOU KNOW HOW HUMANS WORK.
lol
Dont Even know how to use steam market OMEGALUL HS BRAIN OMEGALUL
He's overreacting if you sell your shit for less it's your fault
Dead on arrival.
The games shit and it's economy but using the steam market is easy I don't understand your problem it's like you haven't used steam for 5+ minutes.
MTG arena is far from perfect but you get such a better value than this game for free.
you get a pack everytime you go 4-2 in draft mode (which is basically HS arena) for free and being able to play it aslong as artifact is running ( basically everytime you want) so once oyu get the pack, you can sell the cards in those packs, giving you revenue and once you go over the price oyu bought the game for you are somehow making net revenue ? :O POGCHAMP
and thats all FREE2FUCKINPLAY
lol
The majority of the video is just showing me that he doesn’t know how to use the steam market.
He used to be the best and the smartest PoE player in the world. Now look at him, look what happens when you play a brainless MtG rip off game for waaay too long.
Rip Artifact more like artiDon't
what a failure of a game, overhyped by gaben fanbois who don't even play it...