Hey guys! Excited about the Si project! I got my Speed 6 tuned by Alan previously and he did a great job! I also just purchased an 2018 SI a few months back! Will be coming to you guys for a tune! Videos are great keep em’ coming! The hoodie states a lifestyle we all live! Haha
Back in 99, when the street scene was the most fun, most Honda fanboys would have killed to pull 190 fwhp, and 200 plus torque just unimaginable. But, than again, I still rather have a late 90’s integra type r and or civic si than today’s civics and Acura’s!
Damn, Alan was able to get a lot more torque out of his custom tune. On top of that, he managed to squeeze out more horsepower that cane peaked earlier and remained consistent throughout the power band. Good job.
@@gilbertfrayre3436 Theoretically yes, but if its anything like the K series engine, it will last north of 2-300k miles with tune. You just have to keep up with your maintenance. So spark plug will probably have to get changed sooner, oil changed at 4K instead of 5-6K that the minder will remind you at, transmission flush every 30K. Stuff like that.
Thank you Edge Autosport for the video, very intuitive. Could you please let us know the performance difference in terms of peak power between normal mode and sport mode?
I'm not 100% sure what they can make on pump yet, probably between 300-350whp or so, not 100% sure.But we're going to try! The Type R is a much stronger platform than the 1.5T. It'd have to be stock for us to beat one, even at fairly high power levels. But it sure would be fun to do that!
Thanks so much for the reply exciting to see your progress looking forward to see the next vid. I guess the type is really king but would love to see the little brother si kick keep up. Pls keep the awesome content coming !
You can probable push more boost. I'm pushing 25psi on my stock turbo civic and hitting around 250ish whp. Of course I got bolt-ons but just a PRL Race maf CAI and catless DP.
@@jaredfletcher1587 I still got a stock clutch but it's gonna need a replacement soon. Just barely slipping after abusing the hell out of it for more than a year, but not as bad as I thought. Surprised that my stock clutch was able to hold for over a year considering the amount of abuse I've done to it.
The clutch in a manual car is a consumable component, it will need to be replaced eventually. The stock clutch will hold up for a good while on this beginner tune without any bolt on mods. When it eventually does need to be replaced, upgrade it so it can handle some power mods and step up to the next level!
Thanks for taking the time to dyno and share the results. I noticed the numbers were shown were with the older Standard correction factor. Would it be possible to update the description with a link to the dyno charts using the newer SAE correction factor? Thanks again!
Are you just wanting to know what the SAE number is? I can just tell you here if you're interested. We just use standard as a personal preference and since we've been doing that for a while, we just stay consistent to stay apples to apples on everything.
@@EdgeAutosport Please if it wouldn't be too much trouble. Appreciate your explanation for why you post your results using standard. Thanks again for all the content you all are sharing on TH-cam!
@@Szcza04 Eventually I might. Boost is where the fun starts. From 1999 until 14 or 15 years ago I ran ClubSi.com and had a built and boosted B16 in my 2000 Si. Miss that car, just not the excessive maintenance I had to do to keep it running well.
@@yayjizinmypants The OP was most likely referring to easy, quick power from the stock engine. You're right about the motor you described, but that's different than a little hidden power out of a stock engine. The motor you described costs a lot of money and isn't exactly a run-of-the-mill street car motor. But I understand what you're saying.
My 2020 si dynod 168whp abs 199wtq stock. That’s a big gap from what you guys got at 190whp stock. Any ideas on why mines lower? I did get Intercooler cobra race intake and map race exhaust installed then custom tuned. Gains if 51whp and 44wtq. The gains seem to be even with everyone else I’ve read up on but my starting numbers are just lower.
Nothing Special. With boosted cars, most will see good gains from just a good tune to be a bit more aggressive from Factory standards. What I want to see is what the limits of the Honda Fit block are. The block itself is a Honda Fit block, that Honda just used for the 10th gen SI and they used stronger internals for the turbo setup. In my opinion, its a significant downgrade from K-series and you have zero options to do an NA build. Whereas with the 8th and 9th gens you could really go any direction you wanted(NA or boost) and be perfectly fine and get big numbers either way on just a stock motor. My k20/K24 frankenstein made 260whp with just cams. When I went boost, I made 450whp on a stock block and drove that setup for 4 years without any motor issues.
@ 9th gens are horrible for NA. Hardly any gains from bolt ons. The heads are trash and the best route is to go boost. I know because I have one. 8th gens are great though
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@@nikkumk2 .. Nah, 9th gens are perfectly fine NA.. And you can always do a headswap.. I made 245whp and 201tq with a k24a2 head on my 9th gen, 40degree VTC and DC drop in cams.. Full bolt ons.. Ported RBC matched to 70mm TB, custom downpipe and full 3 inch exhaust.. Was perfectly fine NA.. Internals maybe not be quite as good as the K20A and K24A but still a reall good and versatile motor, and the single exhaust port makes the car sound pretty damn mean compared to the K24a2 bottom end and head
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@@nikkumk2 But yes, stock you are limited with the z7 head, but it is fantastic for boost if you stay stock. Most people I know just do a head swap on the 9th gen for NA gains.. Kinda like how so many 8th gen and Type S owners do k24a2 bottom ends for torque gains. Its a different motor for sure, but it is still a really good motor and still a motor I'd take all day over the 1.5 L series in the 10th gen.. just saying.
@ boost is around the same price as a head swap and it can make much more power. The z7 blocks can handle a good amount of power stock. I would personally love a head swap myself but for the price turbo is the best option
RatherBeOn2Wheels how does this work with warranty? Can a Honda dealership scan the system and see if you’ve tweaked anything? Even if you tune then revert before bringing it in?
@@lovestop101 just keep your old ecu and switch them out when you need to go to the dealer. Disconnect your battery(which you should do anyway when you're working on ecu stuff
@brianduncan7768 this is gonna sound pretty dumb but I'm just learning about tuning. Is that something you can do? Removing the stock ecu if you get a ktuner? I thought a ktuner programs the ecu, but from what you're saying it sounds like it's a replacement
With just a tune, they can handle it. But once you get into bolt-ons, e30 tuning, and bigger turbos, the need becomes greater. And it's not about being able to handle it as much as it is about improving how it handles it.
Thankyou so much for fast reply looking to get the 6 speed hatchback and interested in modding I subscribed last week this channel is great. Your reply makes sense Thankyou!
We currently don't sell off the shelf maps but we can custom tune your car remotely. Shoot an email over to tuning@edgeautosport.com if you're interested in getting your car tuned!
This is to the wheel, however, we are located in Denver. So we have to show corrected numbers for it to make sense. This means that a fully maxed out setup would show more hp than it could actually ever make, uncorrected. But this is probably pretty close to what it would make at sea level at this point.
Edge Autosport My motor is only .5 of a liter bigger than the civic’s. Just seems like bad value per dollar to tune a car, only to make what the competition does stock. (Focus ST, GTI, Veloster Turbo)
@@vr6gls I'm only messing around but I'll keep the conversation going and give you a different perspective. A brand new GTI costs $28,595 base, a Civic Si coupe is $25,200. Talking about just power, for an extra $1000 on the Civic to bring it up to GTI power level, the value is definitely there. Obviously, the GTI is a more refined car, has more power potential once modded, and has the DSG option. But, that all costs money. The Civic also gets 35-40 mpg AVERAGE, a huge advantage for a daily. They're 2 totally different cars and I really like both of them. But to address the value statement, I think the value is there in the Civic. Plus, it weighs 2800 lbs and feels like it. Also, when you say, "only 0.5 liters bigger", that's 33% larger than the Civic's engine. That's substantial!
@@vr6gls im starting to think honda made the si to be amazing on the track not the drag strip. Thats why they didnt upgrade the hp/torque and its smokes the 9th/8th gens on the track. Even other cars in its class range like s2k. Im talking about stock too.
Yes, definitely. The KTuner device we use is also made for the CVT transmissions and you can flash all the same types of maps that the manual guys can. It's a great upgrade for you too. If you'd like one, make sure to check out our site! They're right here, edgeautosport.com/ktuner-flash-v2-touch-flash-based-hardware/
20k??? I think we were at half that when ours started lol and that was only because we waited that long to start modding. It's a torque thing more than mileage. I don't doubt that it would last a long time driving normally with a stock car.
Hey! Thanks for the question. $495 for dyno tune, $225 for e-tune! We don't have the etune for the Honda up on the site yet so just let us know if that's what you're looking for and we'll do a custom order. Either way, send an email to tuning@edgeautosport.com and we'll get you handled if you'd like a tune!
@@d0mochi Our tuner's name is Alan Jackson, the truth is, he doesn't really have much of a rep in the community yet since we just started on these cars not too long ago. But we have tuned a few at this point and have done a lot of tuning with ours. He has a lot of experience on other platforms and to be honest, they're much more difficult/in-depth to tune than this car. I think he's got this one figured out pretty well. If you have a specific question about anything, we'd be happy to answer it or address any concerns.
We currently charge $495 for something like this but I would actually expect more. We're a little bit on the low side at the moment until our dyno gets fully booked. We're only 1 year in and are getting busier and busier so at some point, we'll raise our prices if necessary. If you'd like to consider etuning, send us an email at tuning@edgeautosport.com and we can basically do this same thing remotely, or even tune your car on a different dyno in a single remote tuning session if you'd like.
It ain't no b18c1 or c5 lol. I agree though. I was skeptical about the newer 1.5's when they first came out. I wish they were standard 2L Instead of leaving the type r for the 2 liter trophy
Those cars are not standard with a turbo... this video is talking about a stock car as sold which means no engine swaps. If the eg hatch gets a big turbo...so will this 10th gen civic
Most people would rather not, but tons of people actually do. We tune them frequently. Many people get pump gas and ethanol blend maps during the tuning process for this reason. Most of the time you can just run pump gas out of convenience but when you want to have a track day or head out for the weekend to have some fun, you can throw in a tank of blended fuel a get a little more power. In the case of the Civic, you can run a flex fuel kit and then you have to worry about blending a lot less.
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These 10th gens are such a disappointment.. Dont get me wrong, they are decent, fun daily cars, and of course, like with any boosted car, you can see decent gains from fuel and boost adjustments, but im just so disappointed in Honda going with the 1.5 Fit motor and also direct injection.. I was really hoping and thinking they would combine the best of both worlds into the 10th gen.. 2.4 block, with a port injected K20a2/z1 head and just engineer it to perfection , possible even with boost. For me, the economy loss wouldn't have stopped me from buying one. Instead, we get this Fit motor that they just grabbed off the shelf, strengthen the internals, slapped a small turbo on it, and called it a day. Id rather even have the new 2.0T from the Accord. Ive already seen half a dozen 10th gens blown up just in the low 300's.. And we all know that 1.5 Fit motor isnt handling 400+ on the stock block without it being ticking time bomb.. On the otherhand, the old K20's and K24's were proven and could handle so much stock, and you also had the versatility to go NA build or Boosted build and be good either way you went. You Have zero options to have a 1.5 NA build on the 10th gens which is also disappointing.
Def understand your point. But it gets really good gas mileage! LOL
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@@EdgeAutosport .. Indeed it does!.. And dont get me wrong, Im not hating on the 10th gen. I have driven a few of them and they are actually great cars. And for most people, it is more than adequate in terms of power and performance. But I think for enthusiasts and those looking to build for bigger power, the 10th gen was a let down. Just because the SI made its bones with awesome NA motors that you could build big power both NA and boosted and had motors that could just be beaten on so hard and rarely break NA.. The 10th gen starts to move away from all of that. But regardless, still a good car, its just a completely different car than the old gens.
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@Sergio Aguirre .. I am not confused at all.. I think YOU are the only one confused, and very gullible it seems and biased. ANY motor can get lucky and hold some power, but you cant sit here and make some claims on 1 or 2 motors holding power. Shit, I have seen K20's hold 650whp for long periods of time stock too.. But for me, I have seen DOZENS of 10th gens blowup just pushing 300-350whp on a stock motor. And many others have a lot of problems. I for one, dont buy for a second these 10th gen 1.5 Fit motors can hold 400+ reliably on a stock Factory motor. Just because One or 2 cars you see on the internet make these claims does not make it realistic or reality.
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@Sergio Aguirre .. I work at a performance shop that tunes Honda's.. I have seen 10th gens blowup with all different sized turbo's.. But turbo size is irrelevant. With the Direct injection, these heads do not breathe good. So trying to push that much power, air and fuel causes all types of problems when you start reach 400+whp on these motors. You are treading a super thin line and it is a ticking time bomb. Even fully built, sleeved, with stronger pistons and rods, the motor will struggle to make big numbers with the displacement and the head design with direct injection. This motor was not over engineered. Honda literally took the Honda Fit motor, and added stronger internals. This was a motor/block originally designed to make like 120whp. The k20 was built to be a great breathing motor NA and handle higher compression. This is why the Higher compression K20's and K24's are such incredible motors. They were over engineered to hold some serious NA power and breathe amazingly.
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@Sergio Aguirre .. LMAO.. Back pressure has very little to do with these motors making power overall. lol.. Of course, having adequate back pressure to match up properly to the turbo for spool is ideal, but not necessary to make power and is has very little to do with a motor's internals simply not being able to hold up to the power. The tuners are fine. They cannot control a piston ring going, or the rods not holding, or a bearing spinning.. These motors are just simply not able to reliably hold big power consistently, and that is just a fact. Again, 1 motor making power means nothing. Thats all nice and dandy they took the time to make sure every little thing was PERFECT for their little 10th gen, but face reality bud, NO ONE is spending that kinda time and money and waiting around for a shop to get the 10th gen absolutely perfect.. And that is what it would take to get you a reliable 10th gen with 400+HP.. TONS of time and money and testing..Which isnt realistic.. When you buy a car, you want to buy the proper mods, and get a proper tune, not sit around for a few years while the shop does tons of testing on your car. In this instance, the tuner is completely limited by the Direct Injection system and the displacement. And unless you have super deep pockets to pay a tuner and shop to guide you on every single step to making a perfect build, 99.9% of people are not gonna have a perfect build. And every single motor is different, so what works on 1 may not work on another.
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Hey guys! Excited about the Si project! I got my Speed 6 tuned by Alan previously and he did a great job! I also just purchased an 2018 SI a few months back! Will be coming to you guys for a tune! Videos are great keep em’ coming! The hoodie states a lifestyle we all live! Haha
Excited to be a part of the build! Let us know when you would like to set up your tune!
Just amazing! Can’t wait for you guys to get done with this amazing project!🔥
Back in 99, when the street scene was the most fun, most Honda fanboys would have killed to pull 190 fwhp, and 200 plus torque just unimaginable. But, than again, I still rather have a late 90’s integra type r and or civic si than today’s civics and Acura’s!
They don't make them like they usto...
Damn, Alan was able to get a lot more torque out of his custom tune. On top of that, he managed to squeeze out more horsepower that cane peaked earlier and remained consistent throughout the power band. Good job.
Does this effect the longevity of the engines life?
@@gilbertfrayre3436 Theoretically yes, but if its anything like the K series engine, it will last north of 2-300k miles with tune. You just have to keep up with your maintenance. So spark plug will probably have to get changed sooner, oil changed at 4K instead of 5-6K that the minder will remind you at, transmission flush every 30K. Stuff like that.
Thanks for the dyno on 19.5. Always wanted to know what numbers it made. That’s what I run
adam bonfigli Does it feel like a 30 ft-lb improvement?
@@randomocityvideos no not really lol but ive seen other dynos at 19psi making 220 so its around those numbers
Any issues at all??
@@dancarthen3634 none at all. Ive ran all tunes also. ktuner,TSP
Thank you Edge Autosport for the video, very intuitive. Could you please let us know the performance difference in terms of peak power between normal mode and sport mode?
I luv the coupe!!! How much max hp can you get with bolt ons and bigger turbo on pump 91 ? I would love to see an si beat the type r
I'm not 100% sure what they can make on pump yet, probably between 300-350whp or so, not 100% sure.But we're going to try! The Type R is a much stronger platform than the 1.5T. It'd have to be stock for us to beat one, even at fairly high power levels. But it sure would be fun to do that!
Thanks so much for the reply exciting to see your progress looking forward to see the next vid. I guess the type is really king but would love to see the little brother si kick keep up. Pls keep the awesome content coming !
I love watching build videos. Keep it up!
wouldve loved to hear the car instead of the music ):
Don't worry, he has been fired
Great stuff guys. I was wondering what wheels those were if you guys don’t mind!
SSR GTV01 - They're on our site if you'd like to order! edgeautosport.com/ssr-gtv01-wheel-flat-black/
So excited to do this on my 11th Gen
Great video!!
Ugh.. such a beautiful coupe... oh wait same as mine!! Hehe awesome stuff
The si with no tail looks sick too , nowadays tunning has gone a big way
Awesome video, can't wait for the bolt on. Thanks guys.
Ummm can someone explain why the rear wheels were spinning? I assume it has to do with the dyno
It's a linked AWD dyno. They spin no matter what car is on there.
Nice, I was wondering about that too
I have the exact same car only it’s a 2019 and I love it.
I’d love to do some work on it but I don’t have any idea how to make it better.
Follow along with us! We are just modding as we go!
We sell all the parts that we put on the car on our website!
www.edgeautosport.com
Great vid! Sub'd!!!
You can probable push more boost. I'm pushing 25psi on my stock turbo civic and hitting around 250ish whp. Of course I got bolt-ons but just a PRL Race maf CAI and catless DP.
Did you have to replace the turbo or the clutch?
@@jaredfletcher1587 I still got a stock clutch but it's gonna need a replacement soon. Just barely slipping after abusing the hell out of it for more than a year, but not as bad as I thought. Surprised that my stock clutch was able to hold for over a year considering the amount of abuse I've done to it.
@@yosammy1746 im surprised. Ive been cautious about tuning mine bc ive seen everyone say the clutch wont hold up or even 4th gear will go out
The clutch in a manual car is a consumable component, it will need to be replaced eventually. The stock clutch will hold up for a good while on this beginner tune without any bolt on mods. When it eventually does need to be replaced, upgrade it so it can handle some power mods and step up to the next level!
Thanks for taking the time to dyno and share the results. I noticed the numbers were shown were with the older Standard correction factor. Would it be possible to update the description with a link to the dyno charts using the newer SAE correction factor? Thanks again!
Are you just wanting to know what the SAE number is? I can just tell you here if you're interested. We just use standard as a personal preference and since we've been doing that for a while, we just stay consistent to stay apples to apples on everything.
@@EdgeAutosport Please if it wouldn't be too much trouble. Appreciate your explanation for why you post your results using standard. Thanks again for all the content you all are sharing on TH-cam!
is that a sword next to the fire extinguisher?? LOL
It is! It's a machete. If a car ever catches fire and we need to get it off the dyno quickly, we chop the straps. No time to take them off slowly.
I love edge!
Y’all played my life where is the e30 stock tune…
my question is on a 1.5t how much reliability are you loosing by tuning? how reliable is the 1.5t stock?
Just tuning the car is not really hurting the reliability on the car by itself.
@@EdgeAutosport lol well it depends on how aggressive and how they tune it like for crackle, pop and so on will effect the reliability of the car
How will the stock clutch hold up?
Awd? Or does the dyno match the speed for rear wheels?
It's mechanically linked so all cars have all wheels spin no matter what
How dope would that be
@Chris ve lol an awd civic?
I was thinking the same thing, I thought I was tripping
Imagine awd tho
Hello how much hp and torque can i get if i were to tune honda civic 2020 touring
I'm really curious, I have a 2019 ILX with a K24. Wonder if it has any hidden power since it isn't turbocharged.
Not nearly as much hidden power. The turbo is where all the gains are able to come from.
Slap a turbski
@@Szcza04 Eventually I might. Boost is where the fun starts. From 1999 until 14 or 15 years ago I ran ClubSi.com and had a built and boosted B16 in my 2000 Si. Miss that car, just not the excessive maintenance I had to do to keep it running well.
@@EdgeAutosport those all motor k24s can make 300wheel plus on racegas, they run like 14;1 compression and redline at the moon.
@@yayjizinmypants The OP was most likely referring to easy, quick power from the stock engine. You're right about the motor you described, but that's different than a little hidden power out of a stock engine. The motor you described costs a lot of money and isn't exactly a run-of-the-mill street car motor. But I understand what you're saying.
I am in Colorado and I want to get a copy of your 19psi hi altitude map. How can i?
We offer custom tuning only at this time. You would need to bring your car into our dyno so we can custom tune it!
Nice. I can’t wait to start tuning mine.
Tag us on instagram, we would love to see what you have done with your 10th Gen
I have an 18 Si, is K-Tuner the best in your opinion? What are your thoughts on Hondata? Thanks.
James Narainer go with ktuner
Does ktuner include those starting tunes or do u gotta buy them?
They're included!
My 2020 si dynod 168whp abs 199wtq stock. That’s a big gap from what you guys got at 190whp stock. Any ideas on why mines lower? I did get Intercooler cobra race intake and map race exhaust installed then custom tuned. Gains if 51whp and 44wtq. The gains seem to be even with everyone else I’ve read up on but my starting numbers are just lower.
This could just be a difference in how the dyno reads. Some are lower, some are higher.
Can a 1.5 turbo civic be tuned at all , the 2020
Yes! That's the same setup our car has! Be sure to check your ECU number to make sure it will work with different tuning devices!
I would just be careful with the cvt
Bonjiur thank you for this video, do you think we can switch to full ethanol or do we have to change the pump?
pump would be required for e85
Nice gains for just a tune!!!
Nothing Special. With boosted cars, most will see good gains from just a good tune to be a bit more aggressive from Factory standards. What I want to see is what the limits of the Honda Fit block are. The block itself is a Honda Fit block, that Honda just used for the 10th gen SI and they used stronger internals for the turbo setup. In my opinion, its a significant downgrade from K-series and you have zero options to do an NA build. Whereas with the 8th and 9th gens you could really go any direction you wanted(NA or boost) and be perfectly fine and get big numbers either way on just a stock motor. My k20/K24 frankenstein made 260whp with just cams. When I went boost, I made 450whp on a stock block and drove that setup for 4 years without any motor issues.
@ 9th gens are horrible for NA. Hardly any gains from bolt ons. The heads are trash and the best route is to go boost. I know because I have one. 8th gens are great though
@@nikkumk2 .. Nah, 9th gens are perfectly fine NA.. And you can always do a headswap.. I made 245whp and 201tq with a k24a2 head on my 9th gen, 40degree VTC and DC drop in cams.. Full bolt ons.. Ported RBC matched to 70mm TB, custom downpipe and full 3 inch exhaust.. Was perfectly fine NA.. Internals maybe not be quite as good as the K20A and K24A but still a reall good and versatile motor, and the single exhaust port makes the car sound pretty damn mean compared to the K24a2 bottom end and head
@@nikkumk2 But yes, stock you are limited with the z7 head, but it is fantastic for boost if you stay stock. Most people I know just do a head swap on the 9th gen for NA gains.. Kinda like how so many 8th gen and Type S owners do k24a2 bottom ends for torque gains. Its a different motor for sure, but it is still a really good motor and still a motor I'd take all day over the 1.5 L series in the 10th gen.. just saying.
@ boost is around the same price as a head swap and it can make much more power. The z7 blocks can handle a good amount of power stock. I would personally love a head swap myself but for the price turbo is the best option
Hey boss, really curious because I have a 2020 si also, any issues with the rumored oil dilution issue?
I honestly don't know much about that issue and haven't done much research on it. (I probably should.)
Aye I got my 2020 tuned I haven’t noticed anything bad about it actually runs better
I just got a 2020 Si Coupé, but I don’t know how to tune, and don’t know the risks. Should I take it to a dyno shop and have them do it?
Both K tuner and Hondata have base map tunes that can just be uploaded.
RatherBeOn2Wheels how does this work with warranty? Can a Honda dealership scan the system and see if you’ve tweaked anything? Even if you tune then revert before bringing it in?
@@lovestop101 just keep your old ecu and switch them out when you need to go to the dealer. Disconnect your battery(which you should do anyway when you're working on ecu stuff
@brianduncan7768 this is gonna sound pretty dumb but I'm just learning about tuning. Is that something you can do? Removing the stock ecu if you get a ktuner? I thought a ktuner programs the ecu, but from what you're saying it sounds like it's a replacement
Here is a comprehensive guide to Ktuner - th-cam.com/video/8n8r9EEl4zo/w-d-xo.html
Can the stock engine mounts, suspension etc handle the power upgrade and have traction with out hopping or slipping
With just a tune, they can handle it. But once you get into bolt-ons, e30 tuning, and bigger turbos, the need becomes greater. And it's not about being able to handle it as much as it is about improving how it handles it.
Thankyou so much for fast reply looking to get the 6 speed hatchback and interested in modding I subscribed last week this channel is great. Your reply makes sense Thankyou!
Where do I get a dyno for home use...
Use the street. :)
Do you guys sell any of those custom tunes
We currently don't sell off the shelf maps but we can custom tune your car remotely. Shoot an email over to tuning@edgeautosport.com if you're interested in getting your car tuned!
are these numbers to the crank or to the wheels?
This is to the wheel, however, we are located in Denver. So we have to show corrected numbers for it to make sense. This means that a fully maxed out setup would show more hp than it could actually ever make, uncorrected. But this is probably pretty close to what it would make at sea level at this point.
So a tuned 10th gen Si makes less horsepower than my MK7 GTI did stock? 😅
Not bad for 75% of the engine you have!
Edge Autosport My motor is only .5 of a liter bigger than the civic’s. Just seems like bad value per dollar to tune a car, only to make what the competition does stock. (Focus ST, GTI, Veloster Turbo)
@@vr6gls I'm only messing around but I'll keep the conversation going and give you a different perspective. A brand new GTI costs $28,595 base, a Civic Si coupe is $25,200. Talking about just power, for an extra $1000 on the Civic to bring it up to GTI power level, the value is definitely there. Obviously, the GTI is a more refined car, has more power potential once modded, and has the DSG option. But, that all costs money. The Civic also gets 35-40 mpg AVERAGE, a huge advantage for a daily. They're 2 totally different cars and I really like both of them. But to address the value statement, I think the value is there in the Civic. Plus, it weighs 2800 lbs and feels like it. Also, when you say, "only 0.5 liters bigger", that's 33% larger than the Civic's engine. That's substantial!
@@vr6gls im starting to think honda made the si to be amazing on the track not the drag strip. Thats why they didnt upgrade the hp/torque and its smokes the 9th/8th gens on the track. Even other cars in its class range like s2k. Im talking about stock too.
Are these tunes using the stock clutch? I've heard the stock clutch really don't hold up well after 230hp.
Yes, we tuned the vehicle stock and added a turboback and intake before our clutch started slipping. We replaced it at that point.
FBO with stage 2 and my car is currently 45k with stock clutch. Driving habit is a big factor.
@@azulafc3205 thats good to know
What wheels are you running?
SSR GTV01
What are your wheel and tire specs?
SSR GTV01 with 245/40 R18 tires
edgeautosport.com/ssr-gtv01-wheel-flat-black/
Can the automatic be tuned for more horse power
Yes, definitely. The KTuner device we use is also made for the CVT transmissions and you can flash all the same types of maps that the manual guys can. It's a great upgrade for you too. If you'd like one, make sure to check out our site! They're right here, edgeautosport.com/ktuner-flash-v2-touch-flash-based-hardware/
Enjoy clutch slip with your tunes after 20k
Anthony Morana new clutch cuz it’s shit anyways
20k??? I think we were at half that when ours started lol and that was only because we waited that long to start modding. It's a torque thing more than mileage. I don't doubt that it would last a long time driving normally with a stock car.
I heard that happens with this car with any tune. Should i even consider a racing clutch first then the rune right? I have an 2018 si as well
@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn It's not a bad idea if you know you're going to be modding.
why is there music over the whole video ?
The Video editor has been let go.
At what point do you replace the stock clutch/flywheel?
We did it after a turboback, intake, and a tune.
how much power were you guys making when you started to feel the clutch slip?
there are people that have the stock clutch for 70k miles on a 250hp tune. just depends on how you drive it.
Is it rear wheel drive?
FWD
@@EdgeAutosport rear wheels was spinning i thought it is rear wheel drive.
Ahmed Pakido its cause its a all wheel active dyno if the front turns the rear will too
what wheels does the civic have?
SSR GTV01 with 245/40 R18 tires
edgeautosport.com/ssr-gtv01-wheel-flat-black/
How much is it for a 10th gen 1.5t civic custom tune from you guys?
Hey! Thanks for the question. $495 for dyno tune, $225 for e-tune! We don't have the etune for the Honda up on the site yet so just let us know if that's what you're looking for and we'll do a custom order. Either way, send an email to tuning@edgeautosport.com and we'll get you handled if you'd like a tune!
Who does the e tuning? How’s the tuner’s rep with the 10th gen civic community?
@@d0mochi Our tuner's name is Alan Jackson, the truth is, he doesn't really have much of a rep in the community yet since we just started on these cars not too long ago. But we have tuned a few at this point and have done a lot of tuning with ours. He has a lot of experience on other platforms and to be honest, they're much more difficult/in-depth to tune than this car. I think he's got this one figured out pretty well. If you have a specific question about anything, we'd be happy to answer it or address any concerns.
Is this Civic AWD???
no.
Nice job... next time city back on the music
Lb-ft of torque not ft-lbs guys. There is a difference.
Meh, you know what we mean. 😉
But for a k tuner you need a computer ?
Here are ALL the details on KTuners - th-cam.com/video/8n8r9EEl4zo/w-d-xo.html
Why does it look like it's All Wheel Drive?
It's a mechanically linked AWD dyno. So even if the front wheels are powering it, the whole things spins.
Edge Autosport wouldn’t that affect readings on non AWD cars?
@@Mamba4Lifee No, it's all accounted for in the software settings.
Is this si awd or something???
No, it's a linked dyno so all 4 wheels spin on all cars, no matter what
thats what i thought too lol
How much would a tune like this cost if i went somewhere ?
We currently charge $495 for something like this but I would actually expect more. We're a little bit on the low side at the moment until our dyno gets fully booked. We're only 1 year in and are getting busier and busier so at some point, we'll raise our prices if necessary. If you'd like to consider etuning, send us an email at tuning@edgeautosport.com and we can basically do this same thing remotely, or even tune your car on a different dyno in a single remote tuning session if you'd like.
For having a turbo I was expecting more gains
It’s a 1.5 litre with a small turbo… don’t expect much
This is still the stock tune, we will see much more power once the bolt on parts are added.
these engines need more top end
It ain't no b18c1 or c5 lol. I agree though. I was skeptical about the newer 1.5's when they first came out. I wish they were standard 2L Instead of leaving the type r for the 2 liter trophy
Is the 190/203hp at the wheels?
Yes. Our dyno measures the power being pushed thru the wheels.
Makes no sense , the 9th gen Na can make more w a tune and it’s not turboed
Big if true, can you link us to some more information on this?
If that’s 201 crank horsepower I’ll rather get a eg hatch b series and turbo and make more power and be faster 😂
It's at the wheels. And either platform would be fun! But this is WAY more comfortable ;)
Those cars are not standard with a turbo... this video is talking about a stock car as sold which means no engine swaps. If the eg hatch gets a big turbo...so will this 10th gen civic
those dont look like stock wheels Xd
we got no time for stock wheels!
Most people dont wanna mix fuel...not a dirt bike.
Most people would rather not, but tons of people actually do. We tune them frequently. Many people get pump gas and ethanol blend maps during the tuning process for this reason. Most of the time you can just run pump gas out of convenience but when you want to have a track day or head out for the weekend to have some fun, you can throw in a tank of blended fuel a get a little more power. In the case of the Civic, you can run a flex fuel kit and then you have to worry about blending a lot less.
These 10th gens are such a disappointment.. Dont get me wrong, they are decent, fun daily cars, and of course, like with any boosted car, you can see decent gains from fuel and boost adjustments, but im just so disappointed in Honda going with the 1.5 Fit motor and also direct injection.. I was really hoping and thinking they would combine the best of both worlds into the 10th gen.. 2.4 block, with a port injected K20a2/z1 head and just engineer it to perfection , possible even with boost. For me, the economy loss wouldn't have stopped me from buying one. Instead, we get this Fit motor that they just grabbed off the shelf, strengthen the internals, slapped a small turbo on it, and called it a day. Id rather even have the new 2.0T from the Accord. Ive already seen half a dozen 10th gens blown up just in the low 300's.. And we all know that 1.5 Fit motor isnt handling 400+ on the stock block without it being ticking time bomb.. On the otherhand, the old K20's and K24's were proven and could handle so much stock, and you also had the versatility to go NA build or Boosted build and be good either way you went. You Have zero options to have a 1.5 NA build on the 10th gens which is also disappointing.
Def understand your point. But it gets really good gas mileage! LOL
@@EdgeAutosport .. Indeed it does!.. And dont get me wrong, Im not hating on the 10th gen. I have driven a few of them and they are actually great cars. And for most people, it is more than adequate in terms of power and performance. But I think for enthusiasts and those looking to build for bigger power, the 10th gen was a let down. Just because the SI made its bones with awesome NA motors that you could build big power both NA and boosted and had motors that could just be beaten on so hard and rarely break NA.. The 10th gen starts to move away from all of that. But regardless, still a good car, its just a completely different car than the old gens.
@Sergio Aguirre .. I am not confused at all.. I think YOU are the only one confused, and very gullible it seems and biased. ANY motor can get lucky and hold some power, but you cant sit here and make some claims on 1 or 2 motors holding power. Shit, I have seen K20's hold 650whp for long periods of time stock too.. But for me, I have seen DOZENS of 10th gens blowup just pushing 300-350whp on a stock motor. And many others have a lot of problems. I for one, dont buy for a second these 10th gen 1.5 Fit motors can hold 400+ reliably on a stock Factory motor. Just because One or 2 cars you see on the internet make these claims does not make it realistic or reality.
@Sergio Aguirre .. I work at a performance shop that tunes Honda's.. I have seen 10th gens blowup with all different sized turbo's.. But turbo size is irrelevant. With the Direct injection, these heads do not breathe good. So trying to push that much power, air and fuel causes all types of problems when you start reach 400+whp on these motors. You are treading a super thin line and it is a ticking time bomb. Even fully built, sleeved, with stronger pistons and rods, the motor will struggle to make big numbers with the displacement and the head design with direct injection. This motor was not over engineered. Honda literally took the Honda Fit motor, and added stronger internals. This was a motor/block originally designed to make like 120whp. The k20 was built to be a great breathing motor NA and handle higher compression. This is why the Higher compression K20's and K24's are such incredible motors. They were over engineered to hold some serious NA power and breathe amazingly.
@Sergio Aguirre .. LMAO.. Back pressure has very little to do with these motors making power overall. lol.. Of course, having adequate back pressure to match up properly to the turbo for spool is ideal, but not necessary to make power and is has very little to do with a motor's internals simply not being able to hold up to the power. The tuners are fine. They cannot control a piston ring going, or the rods not holding, or a bearing spinning.. These motors are just simply not able to reliably hold big power consistently, and that is just a fact. Again, 1 motor making power means nothing. Thats all nice and dandy they took the time to make sure every little thing was PERFECT for their little 10th gen, but face reality bud, NO ONE is spending that kinda time and money and waiting around for a shop to get the 10th gen absolutely perfect.. And that is what it would take to get you a reliable 10th gen with 400+HP.. TONS of time and money and testing..Which isnt realistic.. When you buy a car, you want to buy the proper mods, and get a proper tune, not sit around for a few years while the shop does tons of testing on your car. In this instance, the tuner is completely limited by the Direct Injection system and the displacement. And unless you have super deep pockets to pay a tuner and shop to guide you on every single step to making a perfect build, 99.9% of people are not gonna have a perfect build. And every single motor is different, so what works on 1 may not work on another.
It is automatic
none of the Si's in any generation are automatic
It is not automatic.