Dealer says rust is NORMAL... Day 7 with new Ranger Raptor...
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- Took my truck in today to get the dome / map lights fixed. Turns out it was a loose/disconnected connector. They fixed that and said that the rust and loose upholstery is normal... i had them take pics and submit for review anyway just to see if i can get some attention on this for all of us.
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My aussie seats are still nice and tight after 7 month and 25000kms ...happy to send you picks of seats and tailshaft
great to hear and I would appreciate some pictures... would you be able to send them to 'Kyle.c.moore.stu@ndu.edu' cheers
Most if not all Australia, South Africa and my Kenya market one has the tropical coast corrosion protection, CJHAH. That probably includes the black coating the prop and drive shafts. It is probably an option to consider when ordering one if the NA dealerships have it.
You cant, they all come like this. It's not even from those parts they come to assembly and sit outside getting rail dust ext on them. His is super minimal almost comical.
that's great information to have and i will pass that along to the dealer here! cheers
It's illegal in California and a few other states so Ford NA doesn't even bother offering it, however if seen some people selling it on eBay, part no. (HU7J M7C80 AA). The regular wax coatings that most manufacturers use in the US makes it look nice and new for a few years, but eventually accelerates corrosion once it starts to come off, which is why Ford doesn't use it.
Thanks for the update.
Fluid film the undercarriage. Alot of places up in Pennsylvania offer it. Its great in areas where rust is prevalent. I have had it sprayed on my last two trucks.
thanks for the info... I'm gonna work on cleaning the rust off best I can before going to get a coating put on it
Two different types of metal used & some are more prone to rust. It depends on whether you can take steel wool (or a soft scrub pad) & remove what’s basically surface rust or whether the rust has splotched into welds, seams, or cross members on the frame.
We don’t salt the roads here in CA, but we get a lot of moisture in the mountains, so I do coat my trucks.
I think it is likely just surface rust and I plan to fix it up this weekend and get to coated
Appreciate your videos!
thank you, i appreciate you watching!
Thanks for the updates! The response for the drive shaft is disappointing. I don't care if it is common, it shouldn't be that way. I'm curious to know what can be done to seal it.
Yeah, i feel the same way about it. I'll be taking it to the Auto Hobby shop on base and getting it up on a lift to take care of the rust and i'll make a video to show what i am able to do with it
@@flaberdoopin Mine has been finished and parked in Detroit since January. I'm afraid to see what it will look like when it gets here. 😕
@@dantheman4751 dang, that's touch to know it's ready and you can't have it yet! hope you get it soon and that it is rust free!
The seals will break in too though as you mentioned, my tacoma when new exhibited the same.
right on... good to know!
Love the videos. Thanks for all the updates.
I would love to hear your exhaust in the quietest settings in a future video.
I am very much a v8 guy , love hearing a big v8 rumble, my TRX and scat pack challenger sound amazing. However when it comes to these ecoboost v6’s like the 2.7 in my Bronco, I am sort of happy it’s quiet.
Just curious how quiet my Ranger Raptor is going to be in the silent or quiet exhaust settings.
for sure... in the video form yesterday there are some video clips in the 4 different modes... just skip to like 2 min or so and when you see the back of the truck that is the exhaust part of the video. But on the freeway in quit mode it is great... i listen to audiobooks to and from work and it is really nice inside
I went and looked at Ranger raptor today and saw loose leather on front drivers side and back drivers side seats. Definitely not normal. Truck had 5miles. Should have looked like that. Also just saw someone post a few photos of their new truck they just picked up and the interior photo they posted showed loose leather on drivers seat as well. They didn’t mention it but you could see it very clearly in the photo. Mines coming in next week. Hope the seat is tight. If not I’ll be blowing my lid on them before I sign anything.
I am with you! I’m still waiting to hear back on what their plan is for my seat based on the dealers feedback. I will keep everyone posted for sure
Love the daily updates! Keep up the good work and let us know what Ford says about the leather seat. I’d just fix the rust Myself at least you know it’s done, right.
i was thinking the same thing! the last thing i want is for them to just paint over the rust and say it's fixed... i'll get it up on a lift and take care of it this weekend... shouldn't take more than an hour.
I would tell them rust is Not Normal on a new high end truck! I would paint or coat those drive shafts, that looks awful for such a expensive truck, I also noticed that leather looked stretched out on your first video!
I agree, I made sure to have them take pics and submit to Ford, if for no other reason, to have it in my vehicle record. I plan to clean it up and paint it soon (hopefully this weekend)
Nice job. Considering getting one. Subscribed so I can see your journey. btw: you mentioned the stereo and my son in law has a mustang GT premium... where that stereo is unbelievable. Has it all with thumping base (more than most can handle) and just fills the car perfectly. Will be curious about the Raptor's stereo. Thanks
i have always been a big stereo fan in all of my vehicles... in the 90's i used to build my own and i am already thinking about how i can upgrade this one just a bit... but it is pretty good as it is... i think maybe upgrading speakers in the front but keeping stock power/amp and then maybe a stealth box in the back with a 10" will be perfect. Stereo video is near the top of my next videos list!
Really enjoying the videos! finally some ranger raptor ownership content. Would be cool to see how a sheet of plywood fits in the bed of the truck now between the wheel wells and how much over hang there is over the tailgate ford keeps saying how they you can do that now but I have yet to see anyone actually do it.
THAT IS TOP OF MY LIST to go to Lowes and buy some ply wood... I went there on Sunday but it was closed because of easter... maybe I'll swing by on my way home today and grab a sheet just to get the video!
@@flaberdoopin that’s awesome! Thanks so much looking forward to the video when you get a chance to make it.
I work as a product support engineer for VW so I have a bit of in sight into the warranty world.
I assume Ford uses a different supplier for the prop shaft and driveshafts for the US Ranger Raptor than the EURO Ranger Raptor.
This could be for multiple reasons like emissions, cost effectiveness, etc.
In the case of your other issues with the seats, etc. They will most likely replace the seat for you (they absolutely should).
Unfortunately, if they compare your seat to others on the lot and it is the same then it potentially may not and you'll have to wait till
a interior Product Support Engineer sees enough claims come in regarding the seat leather being loose until they present this to the factory.
This is all assuming it works the same as VW lol.
I think you complaining about all these issues is completely okay, you paid for a product and the product should be up to standard for the kind of price point these are at.
I hope it all works out in the end, I am eyeballing one of these myself.
wow, thank you so much for the insight from an insiders perspective in the vehicle warranty world. I appreciate it and it makes me feel a little better about my 'petty' complaints. I am not holding my breath about the rust, but I plan on taking care of that on my own with some Eastwoods rust encapsulator and some chassis black paint in the near future
So with the leather on the seats.. I had this issue on my 2020 Explorer Platinum, both drivers and passenger seats were so lose after 1k miles they began to crease. My guess your seats will eventually too. Ford replaced both seat covers, and they too were a little lose but much better. Stay on them and they should correct it. Thank for the videos. Im in Maryland and saw your Raptor for sale on website.
that is awesome information to have about the seats and i appreciate it. i want to make sure there is a record of it as early and often as possible so that if i have the same issue as you they will take care of it! Cheers! Small world, cool that you saw my truck before i snagged it off the lot!
Undercarriage is where they start the planned obsolescence. An area that needs more aftermarket customization focus. So much corrosion on vehicles that haven't made it off the lot.
yeah, I'll be looking for a better skid plat set and I am going to be getting the truck on a lift this weekend to take care of the rust and get some protection on the driveshafts
Considering a ranger raptor myself. You may have mentioned it in a prior video as being on your “to do list”… it would be useful to do a performance (and other notables) comparison between using regular/87 octane and premium gas. Are there any parameters to provision or does the truck just “figures it out” relative to spark advance/ retardant….thanks!✌️
great idea... i hadn't thought of actually doing a video comparing the two but i have mentioned the different gas and how it will advance timing with higher octane. I will have to get a draggy or something to actually measure things but that is a great video idea and i'll add it to the queue
The doors are a pian. I have a 2023 GMC sierra AT4 and at first you had to close them a bit harder than i liked. But now they have beoken in and i apply just the right pressure. The only issue is the stop points are tough to over come which is nice for me. But qhen i have people ride in it they over come the stops by slamming the crap out of my doors. I hate having passengers in my truck now.
The seat is also not normal that looks like a bad install. Also avoid using your seat as a slide and alide your but out of it. You will wear it out quickly that way. Not saying you do that but just a heads up.
glad to know I'm not the only one and I agree that it'll break in and be great in the long run.
I had a 22 ranger tremor with 23,000 miles and my driver seat wasn't like that.
that is good to know, i dont like to be super picky about little things, but if it is not right, i would like Ford to fix it.
@@flaberdoopinyou spent a lot of money for that truck, you have the right to be super picky!
Mine has no rust and been trough beach driving already but I do have issues with ambient light just randomly turning off and I have to manually turn them on 🤔🤔 and my stereo goes black for 2 minutes after starting the car then it start operating normally 😂 guess they'll tell me is normal 😂
wow, that's a bummer... hopefully it's just a bad connection that they can snap back in and secure.
Will you put a truck bed cover soon?
I am looking at one of the rollup aluminum slat tonneau covers and a spray in bed liner. I like the roll n lock with the track system on the tonneau so I can add a overland half rack on the back as well.
Also how to turn on ambient lighting cause i just realized it has but i don't know how to turn it on 😃
It is in the general setting under ambient lighting... it also gets brighter and dimmer as you adjust in the infotainment system. I will have to go back out to the car to get the exact tabs in the settings but if you just search for it, i think you will be able to find it!
Have the under carrige treated with waxoyl- its the best stuff on the market
great info, i'm gonna look that up right now... is that a do it yourself type of thing or something you take in like for a spray in bed liner?
@@flaberdoopin No I had the dealership do mine upon purchasing my vehicle-the charge was 850.dollars they have shops around that do the under cariage-check around and the sooner the better on getting it done-its a great product
@@Jojo-ni2cg great info, thank you for the reply
In the time you spent worrying about the rust you coulda wiped it off with comet and a 3m pad.
yeah, that's the plan... i guess i was just spoiled with my other 20 or so vehicles that never had this issue.
Then a new pile of rust would be waiting! New autos (especially over priced trucks) these days!
Just posted a video on my ranger raptor.. done 3000k it's completely mint.. but it's painted..hope that helps..cheers Todd.
where are you located? I'll have to check out your video!
@flaberdoopin New Zealand. No rust issues. Seems to just be the American built ones.. ours is built in Thailand. Cheers for the videos. Love the color of yours. Not a option here.
take it to have it cleaned up and fluid filmed. I have a 10 year old vehicle with barely any rust in the salt belt.
I plan to get that done this weekend... thanks for the note and glad to hear that you are still rust free after 10 years
Rust is normal on the driveshaft, Can confirm they are correct. Also same with the doors if you short stroke them it does not vent. Close it like a man
yes, but it still looks cheap for an expensive performance vehicle.
yeah, sometimes you just gotta want it i guess. but i have had older cars that the harder you slam them the more they rattle!
@@gabaldon14My Bronco cost more than this RR , If my Raptor didn't have an aluminum drive shaft and it rusted I would not have cared. It has no effect on drivability or longevity under normal use and is purely cosmetic and How are people seeing their driveshafts often enough to care?
I’m glad my new Colorado Trail Boss doesn’t have rust all over the drive shafts ,etc!
@@jimmycline4778 Hop under your Colorado plenty of rust to be found, CV's, drive shaft couplers and from what I saw on a brand new right off the truck some spots of rust on the frame!
I'm painting the silver piece on front of truck. Kinda sticks out like a sore thumb!
Thats an iconic piece of the Raptor though?
Don't be that guy !
take some pictures when you do it... i'm curious what it'll look like
Surface rust on a steel driveshaft isn't anything to be concerned with. If you ever plan to off-road, this truck any coatings you put on it will be gone in a matter of minutes.
yeah, I guess I just need to accept the inevitable but I do plan to get something on there to at least try to protect it while I can
@flaberdoopin Replace it with an aluminum shaft if your worried about surface rust, just be easy on the throttle so you don't warp it.
@@teddonley9594 i dont think i'll go that far, just gonna clean them up and paint them and call it a day
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It's interesting to me that they think any rust on a 60K vehicle is ok. For that price the answer is simply no. Now whether this surface rust has any impact on the vehicles service life, might be questionable. The average service lifespan of a vehicle is probably 15 years, (which is crazy to me) and the driveshaft probably will hold up for 15 years even with rust. Now for me the lifespan of a new vehicle is forever... so this is completely unacceptable. All this said I get my trucks undercoated with black Cosmoline and or fluid film anyway, so I expect to Always wage war against rust - perpetually.
i'm gonna take care of it myself and i agree with you 100%. i dont really trust ford to take care of it because they will probably just paint over it... i want to clean it then coat it.
@@flaberdoopin Best of luck with the new rig.. if it all works out you will probably have it for a long time. I bailed on Ford - Picked up a leftover 23 Frontier.... for less $$ and fears of a new design.
that rust is 100% normal. will never hurt anything. But you can scotch brite and put some paint on them if it really bothers you.
thanks for the information... i just moved from Hawaii where rust ruins a LOT of stuff so i'm hyper aware of it... i think i will get the truck up on a lift this weekend and clean it up as much as possible and put a coat of something on it to keep it from getting worse
@@flaberdoopin for sure . I live in Ohio where road salt rusts everything .
We heavily undercoat our trucks once a year with fluid film. If you don’t live in an area with salt where a full undercoating is required, you can get spray cans of fluid film at the auto parts store and spray things like nuts and bolts or pieces that show some surface rust like that .
Congrats on the truck, it’s very nice !
@@brendyngreiner3148 great info... thank you. I plan to take the truck to the auto hobby shop on base this weekend to get it up on a frame lift so I can clean up the driveshafts and get them coated.
Where does the oil pressure sit at idle( cold or warm) mine seems low but maybe it’s normal?
Prob. Dual pressure oil pump
I will keep a closer eye on that tomorrow on my way into work and let you know... i have been noticing that the temps have been higher on the guage than i am used to seeing on other cars. I will probably hook up my scangauge to get numbers instead of just a generic 'cold to hot' gauge.
Edit more like 21ish at warm idle 😬
@@keithhunt3437 one of my previous videos has 1:30 seconds of the exhaust in different modes at idle and rev to 4000ish RPM. it is right after the intro within the first 3 min of the video...
@@flaberdoopinyea looks the same as mine. Just not used to it looking so low
That Seat isn’t ok in a year it’s gonna be sloppy
I agree with you... I'm glad I got it in my vehicles record that I asked about it and got pictures of it after 1 week of ownership
HMMM.. I hope its just surface only issue.
I'm pretty sure that is all it is... I am going to order some Eastwood rust encapsulator and chassis black paint to take care of it. I'll post a better video of it up on a lift when I get a chance to take care of it!
Sounds like a lawnmower
I mean it is just a 6 cyl... I wish they threw a 5.0 in this thing! but for what it is, it's not terrible... the sound out of my i6 in the BMW I sold was the way I wish all 6 cyl engines sound
Can’t go wrong with a Tacoma that’s what I have, just a suggestion if you keep having issues with your new truck
Toyota has their issues too
I couldn't agree more... I have had 2 Tacomas... on pre runner TRD Sport and a 4x4 TRD off-road with an ARB locker up front and the electronic locker in the back... that 4X4 was so awesome and I never had a single issue with it... not sure why I sold it to be honest... but I do love this truck because it isn't underpowered... that 4.0 v6 could have been so much better in the Tacomas... but they do last forever!
Curious if you paid over MSRP and if so how much if you don't mind sharing. I just talked to a dealer near me who has a Ranger Raptor, they are asking $15,000 over msrp.
I asked that question a few videos ago. He said 2k over msrp
I ordered mine March 21 and the dealership I went to sold to me for sticker price. Call around to find a dealer that will sell at MSRP. I called 3 other dealerships before finding one that sold at sticker price.
@@nordlandak6853 that's right... thanks for answering quicker than i could
Call around. Don’t be afraid to spend a few hundred on a flight to save a few thousand. There should be no over MSRP ever.
It is odd that these mfg’s don’t paint the prop shafts anymore…
I agree, every other car I have had were painted, not sure why this one isn't
NEVER KNEW IT HAD AMBIENT LIGHTING
right on!
They portal ford sent your rust comment went straight to junk mail. Dodge had the same problem with the $100K+ Hellcat, rusted pieces all over. No remedy provided. US mfg’s buy bulk to get the best price, that driveshaft probably sat in a pallet outside waiting to be used for production since last year. Most Asian and European mfg’s use just in time mfg products, so no rust on their products. They just don’t provide as good of rust protection over the frame, Toyota Tacoma frame rot.
what a bummer... i plan to take care of it myself since this is my new "forever truck"... until something else awesome comes out
Yup have the entire underbody undercoated
i'm leaning towards doing that
Quality is job 1
agreed, and I plan to take the quality into my own hands for the rust because I'm not sure I trust ford to do it, they would probably just paint over it and say it's fixed.
They won't do anything for the drive shafts. Same thing on my Maverick...except that's much cheaper.
The seats look way too loose. That is unacceptable.
thanks for the info about the Maverick having similar issue. I'm hoping to hear back from ford sometime this week about the seat.
Its a FORD, they rust and depreciate sadly. What makes it a raptor? the strange color christmas vibe?
That would be the suspension, front and rear lockers, and the over 400hp. Color is optional.
You should also check the rear diff oil levels. I know in australia there have been issues with levels being to low from factory. Alot of aussies having this issue. th-cam.com/video/f5Ec8eBNduA/w-d-xo.html
wow, thank you for that... i'll check that tomorrow! for diffs, on level ground the level of fluid is supposed to be right at the fill plug level right?
Seat leather is way too loose. That will look atrocious in no time. Save your dealer tickets so you can prove that it was too loose from day one and they can’t fight you about it in a few thousand miles when it starts looking like a 10 year old seat bottom.
Seems to be a ford thing. I’ve seen f150 Tremors for sale with under 20k miles and the seats are utterly fucked
thanks for the note... that is exactly why i brought it up when i was in for the lights... want it in my vehicles record that it was an issue from the first week of ownership!
Sounds like a hair dryer
haha, it certainly isn't a big V8... that's for darn sure!
It is such a shame that American cars, in America for that matter, have such terrible interior upholstery. It’s always sacky and wrinkly. The designers need to go out and drive a German car for a month and get use to how upholstery should be. It shouldn’t be this difficult.
I am with you completely with you in comparison to a German vehicle. The interior in my M3 was perfect and I bough it 8 years old. I did have the Focus RS and that interior was great, but it was built in the German production line.
Seat is not normal. I have a 2024 with 1300km.got it in march
Upload a video of your raptor!
Do you have the USA Version?
thanks for the note... i'm not planning on letting this issue die on the vine.
uploaded on my shorts. just for you son
in the middle east.
Is the wife still mad?
haha, i told her i wanted to get a tonneau cover for it and she was not pleased hahaha.
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i think you are completely right... and to be honest, these are little things that i can live with or fix myself if ford doesn't want to help me out. the rest of the truck seems pretty well put together so i'm still super happy with it
Rust is normal if you buy a Ford
that's a bummer... I have had a few fords in the past (explorer and a focus RS) and never had any rust issues
Why should it be normal! If they had just coated it with an antirust coating it wouldnt have rusted. easy as that. Its a raptor for fck sakes, nothing should be rusting period
i am with you 100%, it is frustrating