56:30 Here’s the play I would have loved to see from Adam (already under extreme suspicion) after Eevee announced that she was dead and the evil team now know each other: “I have another announcement: I am the Spy. Here are your roles...” Openly giving his info to evil and confirming their bluffs.
Everytime he's on stream Edd solves a huge chunk of the game by himself with almost no info. Is he just that good or are we getting an unrepresentative sample?
Putting a spy in a poppy grower game just seems cruel, the bad team already is at a huge disadvantage and can miss the entire 'setup' phase of the first turn or two, now there's also a role that only becomes useful if the poppygrower dies. a Poisoner is a much better option, as at least in that situation the bad team might be able to poison the poppy grower and be able to see each other, or at least disrupt the town a bit. Otherwise the bad team is severely crippled. Maybe it would work better with a very inexperienced town, I'm not sure.
A poisoned poppy grower is harmful to the evil team. They do not learn each other when the poppy grower is poisoned (since that's a set up condition) and if the poppy grower dies while poisoned the part of their power that reveals the evil team to each other does not function. The town was tweaked by adding the baron to replace two townsfolk information roles with outsiders. Literally the only info role in play this game was the fortune teller (not counting the raven keeper who is rarely dies at night. Especially when that RK is Aggie).
I wonder if a fair tweak of the spy would that in a poppy grower game, he JUST learns the poppy grower. The spy can't directly act, other than to try and nominate them, but it lets them do something. Getting absolutely nothing feels unreasonably brutal.
Spy would most likely just play as outed evil on day one and yell out the poppy grower's name in town square. So it would largely behave like a non poppy grower game with -1 minion.
@@Ellie-rx3jt yeah but then a monk can protect the poppy grower. Or a washerwoman could easily yell out one of the 2 people she saw as the ravenkeeper/soldier to be the poppygrower to throw off the bad team. As an imp I wouldn't know whether to trust the person yelling out that information.
I've been enjoying these videos. One thing I would like to suggest, if I may, is to have some more videos from players perspectives. While seeing things from the storyteller perspective is fun, it would be nice to see more examples of how players construct their world views.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Kat should not have been able to starpass to Chris. Chris was monk protected making him "safe from the demon's effects" and a starpass is a demon effect.
It does not protect from a role change that is up to ST disgression because "a random minion becomes the new Imp". If the monk protects the og Imp, however, the Imp can't starpass.
It was a kickstarter and is very very behind schedule. Simple answer, sadly you can’t buy it at present. Fingers crossed they get it out before end of year or before the money is gone.
@@andrewwolfgang7461 The experimental characters we're showcasing on here will initially only be available to Kickstarter backers, but we intend to release them as part of future expansions sets.
@@bennburns stupid kickstarter! *old man yells at clouds* Plenty of game to play at Christmas and family get togethers up until that point. Thank you daddy Ben
It is honestly getting quite boring to have Edd just solve the game by himself and win for good. Like, it obviously isn't his fault that he is so much better than everyone else but it does mean that whatever team he is on (good from what I have seen) wins with time to spare. But I don't think there is a way to change that other than him not playing, which isn't fun.
56:30 Here’s the play I would have loved to see from Adam (already under extreme suspicion) after Eevee announced that she was dead and the evil team now know each other: “I have another announcement: I am the Spy. Here are your roles...” Openly giving his info to evil and confirming their bluffs.
It would have probably confirmed the Poppy Grower but would have been an absolute yolo moment. :)
Everytime he's on stream Edd solves a huge chunk of the game by himself with almost no info. Is he just that good or are we getting an unrepresentative sample?
Edd is genuinely some sort of savant. I don't know how he does it, but he just seems to have the perfectly analytical brain for this game. - Ben
If he were the Savant, wouldn't half his info be false?
Putting a spy in a poppy grower game just seems cruel, the bad team already is at a huge disadvantage and can miss the entire 'setup' phase of the first turn or two, now there's also a role that only becomes useful if the poppygrower dies. a Poisoner is a much better option, as at least in that situation the bad team might be able to poison the poppy grower and be able to see each other, or at least disrupt the town a bit. Otherwise the bad team is severely crippled. Maybe it would work better with a very inexperienced town, I'm not sure.
I think I may have perhaps tweaked the poppy grower to (in addition) also make some knowledge roles give no information on some nights.
A poisoned poppy grower is harmful to the evil team. They do not learn each other when the poppy grower is poisoned (since that's a set up condition) and if the poppy grower dies while poisoned the part of their power that reveals the evil team to each other does not function.
The town was tweaked by adding the baron to replace two townsfolk information roles with outsiders. Literally the only info role in play this game was the fortune teller (not counting the raven keeper who is rarely dies at night. Especially when that RK is Aggie).
I wonder if a fair tweak of the spy would that in a poppy grower game, he JUST learns the poppy grower. The spy can't directly act, other than to try and nominate them, but it lets them do something. Getting absolutely nothing feels unreasonably brutal.
Spy would most likely just play as outed evil on day one and yell out the poppy grower's name in town square. So it would largely behave like a non poppy grower game with -1 minion.
@@Ellie-rx3jt Except the dead can vote once and a precisely timed dead vote can win the game.
The spy could very easily do what Adam did with aggie by shouting out after the execution then play outed evil
@@Ellie-rx3jt yeah but then a monk can protect the poppy grower. Or a washerwoman could easily yell out one of the 2 people she saw as the ravenkeeper/soldier to be the poppygrower to throw off the bad team. As an imp I wouldn't know whether to trust the person yelling out that information.
I've been enjoying these videos. One thing I would like to suggest, if I may, is to have some more videos from players perspectives. While seeing things from the storyteller perspective is fun, it would be nice to see more examples of how players construct their world views.
Absolutely. I'd love to do more player perspective videos. Keep an eye on the channel and you should see some more of them coming up soon. - Ben
@@BloodontheClocktower thanks Ben. I look forward to seeing them.
I like the storyteller perspective videos. Likely people watching pre-launch will storytell for friends and family
1:12:02 Yorkshire Ben replay button
@Ben you can just do WIN+shift+S and then into the chat with the spy Ctrl+V, without going through Paint.
Yeah, sorry, I'm a 32-year-old boomer. - Ben
Question from a noob, could the demon star pass to the monk protected baron as happened on night two?
Yep, being protected by a monk wouldn't prevent a minion from becoming the demon.
What happens in a little monster poppy grower game
The minions aren't woken together - they're instead woken one by one until one of them chooses to take the 'baby'.
@@BloodontheClocktower That makes sense. Thank you
Chef Drunk again 🤣
Correct me if I'm wrong but Kat should not have been able to starpass to Chris. Chris was monk protected making him "safe from the demon's effects" and a starpass is a demon effect.
It does not protect from a role change that is up to ST disgression because "a random minion becomes the new Imp". If the monk protects the og Imp, however, the Imp can't starpass.
Where can I buy this game?
It was a kickstarter and is very very behind schedule. Simple answer, sadly you can’t buy it at present. Fingers crossed they get it out before end of year or before the money is gone.
If you want to pre-order it, you can get it here. bloodontheclocktower.com/buy
@@BloodontheClocktower do you get the kickstarter characters from getting it directly from the BotC site or do you need to order on kickstarter?
@@andrewwolfgang7461 The experimental characters we're showcasing on here will initially only be available to Kickstarter backers, but we intend to release them as part of future expansions sets.
@@bennburns stupid kickstarter! *old man yells at clouds*
Plenty of game to play at Christmas and family get togethers up until that point.
Thank you daddy Ben
Edd carried that game hard
It is honestly getting quite boring to have Edd just solve the game by himself and win for good. Like, it obviously isn't his fault that he is so much better than everyone else but it does mean that whatever team he is on (good from what I have seen) wins with time to spare. But I don't think there is a way to change that other than him not playing, which isn't fun.