Obi Wan Confirms If Anakin Was MORE POWERFUL Than Darth Vader
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Anakin didn’t have the power of hate that Vader did. And the conflict within him actually made him weaker as a Jedi.
Jedis are not weak tho
@@joelcifuentes3098 Weaker doesn’t mean weak.
Disagree.. he had pure hate on Mustafar.. he had already slaughtered the sand people woman and kids and slaughtered younglings.. I would say it doesn't get more hateful than that...
@@thomasfrazier7736 Strongly disagree. He was way more hateful after he lost to Obi Wan, this defeat let to him reaching a completely new level of self hate.
But more flesh so balanced out
One thing that stands out is the fact that Anakin was weaker than Vader specifically against Obi-Wan, not necessarily in general. Anakin's emotions cost him the fight with Obi-wan, as he did exactly what Obi-wan wanted. Against any other Jedi however, even those more powerful than Obi-wan, Anakin likely would have been the victor.
Dooku was comparable to Windu in terms of saber skills and force ability so if Anakin was already capable of besting someone at that level it would make sense that Sidious was shocked that Anakin lost to Obi Wan.
Obi Wan also had lots of experience training with Anakin but Vaders style was VERY different
The only Jedi stronger than Obi Wan at the time were like, Windu and Yoda. Maybe a few other scattered about here and there that weren't main stay clone wars faces like the one in the canon comic said to be the most dangerous Vader ever fought or something along those lines.
And both Windu and Yoda could fight Sidious so...yea
@@thatoscarguy9965 hmmm somebody didn’t watch episode 3 …. “Besting him a big overstatement, windu ain’t see that left hook coming 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 fuck outta here
@@jocoolshow plo n kit fisto are stronger as well not sure how their lightsaber styles match up to Ep 3 obi but they aren’t gonna be coming at him screaming “you turned her against me!” and completely out of control so they should beat him
I never really thought about just how much calmer and more detached OT vader was. Do you think it's possible that the reason he lost to Luke then wasn't just by being outskilled or overwhelmed but because he was fighting somebody he had strong emotions for, making it impossible to fight like a calculated machine?
Certainly a plausible explanation. I'm more swayed to the train of thought that as Darth Vader, his mind was more focused on learning than it was as Anakin. Had he trained with as much focus as a jedi, I believe he would have been at an identical level, but he was constantly in turmoil during his jedi training, what with padme, his lack of discipline, Palpatine toying with his mind, etc.
I think the fault of Anakin was his pride in being told he was the chosen one and then applying his passion to jedi training to the point of obsession, his one weakness and greatest strength was that he was not a jedi from birth and then had love and attachment to female caregivers he desperately sought out in Padme after his mother died. The Vader that we eventuallly see is so powerful in the dark side is because he has a twisted form of the divine feminine guiding him in dark care to the point of wanting to turn his son to the dark side. In some dark portion of my soul I want to see a Star Wars where Vader and Luke beat the Emperor and then Vader is having some father son moments teaching Luke how to be evil and seek power kinda like the dark mirror version of Star Wars.
But I think in a sense that In order for Anakin to be in the Dark Side he has to have lost to Obi-Wan and be in that suit because the dark side in him temporaily was purely based off the fear of losing his wife. With this in mind Vader is a more powerful darkside user but uncorrupted Anakin is just overall a more powerful force user.
Exactly. The reason he couldn't beat Obi Wan, was because he was totally unstable in his mind. He was always fighting his own demons on top of his opponent, whereas Obi Wan was of sound mind and focused.
Agressive combat forms never worked against Obi-Wan. That's why like you said the only Sith that was able to defeat him next to Vader on the Death Star was Dooku.
That’s not exactly true. Obi-Wan has lost a few duels to Maul and a few others in Clone Wars. Overall, he’s a pretty skilled and persistent fighter.
@@QuidamByMoonlight I mean maul is weaker though
I mean palpatine would beat obi wan
Dooku was barely trying against Obi Wan on both occasions
@@QuidamByMoonlightThe only fights he’s lost to Maul is when he was jumped and or tortured before hand
Anakin definitely had more raw power and was increasing in power at a rapid pace. The problem was his inexperience and arrogance that prevented him from mastering and honing his powers. Plus he lost those powers and potential after the duel on mustafar. As Darth Vader he found a new way to gain and increase his powers since he was limited. The only thing we have to go by is Luke as a indication of how powerful Anakin could have really been but Anakin would have been more powerful than Luke do to the fact he was born from the force and is the only true force being.
Anakin has the body and POTENTIAL power his mind was his biggest weakness
Vader had no choice but to train his mind
Notice how he changed the way he used the force
If Anakin would have trained his mind no one could have stopped him especially not Vader
imagine anakin going hard as he did when he battled obi on mustafar but also mastering his predictive powers as a jedi and becoming a master.
In a way the burning help him it improved his battle strategy and made him more calculated he did not jump into battles relying on the fact that he was the chosen one but analyzed his battle ground and enemy's more precisely
The burning, or just plain losing so badly.
@@jawstrock2215 yes
Anakin with Vaders mind would of been unstoppable
Going from this notion that Vader became cold and calculated, and no longer fueled by raw emotions, it places him closer to a Dark Jedi Master, or Proper Sith (like Dooku), rather than a True Sith. Especially since control over the Dark Side and using it as a tool isn't the same as being a creature of pure evil like Sidious. Motivation by pain, and growing cold also facilitates walking back to path...
The conflict within Anakin made him weak as a Jedi
The conflict within Vader made him weak as a Sith
and that's why palpatine tried so hard to make Vader completely kill off the "Skywalker" part of himself.
Put “weak” in quotes cause as a Jedi he was still among the best of the order and as a Sith he was one of the strongest Sith Lords ever.
Choosing to call him darth rather than Obi Wan 😂 jus watch 1:40-1:48
Obi Wan Sandobi.
He was no longer Anakin Skywalker on Mustafar, he was already Darth Vader.
Yeah, Alot of people sadly dont notice it
@@Layerlol We talking about suite Vader not Darth Vader XD
Not true. He was always Anakin within, hence him being able to redeem himself. He also still loved Padme, which was a part of Anakin
@@ashmyblunt Anakin was buried deep within him at that moment. He resurfaced later on.
Battlefront 2 had it right. Vader had way more “focused rage” as he got older.
You made a mistake at 1:50 when you said obiwan chose to call him dearth instead of obiwan. Should have Been Anakin rather. I don’t know if anyone else caught it but I watch all of your videos and you never make mistakes. so it weird to catch one.
I did caught that LOL
Vader means Father, Darth means Dark. Obi saves both his kids. He doesnt call him Vader cuz well he doesn't deserve to be even called that in his eyes. No Father just Dark
@@jamesryan279 Nah he means when the dude was referring to Obi will now call Vader Darth instead of Anakin however he did a mistake and said Obi again, and we know Obi is not Vader, that is the mistake.
@@jamesryan279 you don’t need to explain it to me. He made a mistake instead of saying anikin he said obiwan. That’s all I said.
He needs a script editor. The content is great but I can’t watch more than one video in a sitting without getting annoyed with his grammar and semantics.
Imagine a cold and calculated Anakin before the burn, if he was only mature enough to not be engulfed by the flames of rage, he would've been a fortress of ice in which no one wouldve stood a chance against imo.
Nice wording
Anakin would have died eventually by fighting against Jedi Kirak Infil'a if it wasn't darth Vader
I imagine he just wouldn't have fallen to the dark side if he were that.
Begs the question. Did Vader lose to Luke because of the conflict in him or did Luke simply overpower Vader?
@@OWmyDragonballz Here is the crux I see with your question, Had Anakin not turn to the darkside which progressed the turn of events in which he lost a large portion of his power, Luke would not have become the new chosen one to balance the force, lets just face Luke essentially became that, and more, in a twist of fate for the most part. Luke became more than Vader more or less in my opinion.
Anakin never reach his full potential, so it's an unfair assessment, if Vader was stronger the conflict inside would have ended. It didn't, so regret and sorrow are pathways to the lightside as much as fear and hate are to the darkside. Yoda and other jedi only ever spoke in half truths, each path light or dark once started would have their own hold on you and forever influence your destiny.
Most ppl won't understand this 😂
If Vader would later fight off the back foot and wait to tire his opponents for an opening, sounds like he learned from Obi Wan and incorporated Soresu.
Anakin was much more quick and agile of a combatant and lightsaber duelist; but Vader was brutal and precise while also measured and patient, along with all the hatred and power of the dark side of the force. The ability to strike true terror into any opponent. Vader is the clear winner
None of this applies when fighting Kenobi of course, where he is ultimately conflicted and therefore has essentially none of the traits listed above in his favor
Remember how Vader lashed out at Luke when Luke injured him in Episode V? Up till that moment he was toying with Luke, but Luke poked the 🐻 and that was all it took.
Always thought Darth meant Lord,
as Palps would use both “Darth” and “Lord”
interchangeably when talking to Anakin.
@user-mk4or5yu9rit does not.
@user-mk4or5yu9r just a coincidence. That’s what I meant. Vader is a reference or a play to Invader.
user-mk4or5yu9r nnnope. It’s a mere coincidence. So much things stack up against it, such as that Darth Vader was never supposed to be Luke’s father, until the writing of Empire Strikes Back. And no, George Lucas didn’t know that Vader was Father in dutch. He was testing out villain names with “Dark Water” and eventually twisted it to “Darth Vader”. Why would Vader come up? There was a jock in Lucas’s highschool named “Gary Vader”. Perhaps Gary bullied Lucas, inspiring Luke vs Vader. Besides, Vater sounds different from Vader. The language you’re looking for isn’t german, it’s dutch. Lucas didn’t know Dutch either.
@user-mk4or5yu9r see you have a great day
1:44 Choosing to call him Darth instead of Obi-wan. I think you meant Anakin, not Obi-wan.
So pain turned out as a more precious tool than rage to a dark side use ; while the latter was the cause of Vader's defeat on the rocky planet.
Interesting insight, Stupendous Wave. =)
so emos would be the ultimate dark siders
Hints why pain helps out in the gym
@@jedibuilder3546 And lifting weights th-cam.com/video/TBMiyEzOJmI/w-d-xo.html
@1:47 you say Obi-Wan instead of Anikan, great video though
"Anikan"
@@fiddlebender88 lol Starbucks disagrees ;)
This was a pretty good explanation I liked your description for this well done. The only thing I have to say is that it’s stated that on mustafar anakin was nerfed and it wasn’t bc he lost power it was bc he had realized what he did as u know he was crying. The former Jedi was ima confused state and even obi wan said that when they fought on mustafar it was anakin didn’t care to defend or what happened to himself he just attacked ruthlessly and savagely and ofc obi wan knew his old padawan was impatient and arrogant. But there’s my take on it good video👏🏻👏🏻
In Revenge of The Sith I think Anakin was at the max he could reach with all the conflict inside him. He would have to commit to the light or dark side to progress any farther.
We really don't know Anakin true potential if he was burned. Yes, Vader is adaptable j7sting his fighting form based on the limitations of the suit. Pals were found a way to bring out the hate. Therefore I believe Anakin is more powerful than Vader.
George Lucas said that Anakin had the potential of being at least twice as powerful as Palpatine, but due to the sheer damage he got on Mustafar dropped him to about 80% of Palpatine's power, in terms of the force.
@@Good_Boy_3000 I think they said he’d be 200% the power of Palpatine if he were to not get burned up. But as you said, due to it, he was 80%
@@Good_Boy_3000 Yeah, Max Anakin would have been x2 the power of palpatine, but after the burn he was 80% of the emperor. Now if vader completely re-did his suit he would have had a far better chance at beating the emperor. Compared to the conductor suit that vader had.
@@MyHistory._. well if anaking was able to be 200 '/, then palpatine and lost that potentinal about 20 '/, he stil be like 160 '/,, over palpetine force wise . But hes suit was limitied to both movment and force lightning
@@MyHistory._. Vader did redo his suit. Sidious gave him permission.
Funny thing is Obi Wan predicted in a training duel that Anakin’s desire to win will cost him.That is exactly what happened when they fought
Great breakdown. This is one of your best IMHO.
I think ankinas raw ability decreased but his skill increased a lot
Remember when Darth Maul had the "High Ground" in the Phantom Menace over Obi-wan? If only Darth Maul had sliced Obi Wan in half.
This is the moment that defined Obi Wan as the Master of the High Ground actually
Let's be honest: Ewan McGregor called him Darth in the series, 'cause Alec Guinnes called him Darth in A New Hope. In 1978 Vader was the only chracter in the SW universe who was called "Darth"...
Dude your videos are so good, you no your stuff. Thank you!
Do you think THIS Vader could beat Palpatine? The Emperor did a lot to keep his enforcer in place, without just getting rid of him, but Vader had to realize he didn't really have a future. Sidious didn't want him to bring Luke so they could collectively turn him, and be some triumvirate of Evil; he was finally ready to replace Vader, and wanted Luke to kill Darth Vader in that progression. He couldn't expect Luke to best the Emperor, especially once he came to his master's defense, and there wasn't an option to tag team the aged Sith Lord. If he wanted to rule the galaxy, with or without Luke, and be more than a tool of another man's unquenchable ambition, he'd have to beat him himself.
Lightsabers are good for deflecting Force Lightning, and Vader was proficient with battling others who used the Force offensively. Do you think this more durable, canon Vader, who could use pain inflicted on him to draw even deeper, and who had a lot more reason to fight than the victorious Sidious now did, could beat the Emperor; deflect his Lightning, and cleave his form with his advanced skill with the blade?
Lucas said Vader only reached 80% of the power of Sidious at his peak so there’s no way he’d be able to win without some other factor in his favor. It’s why Vader had numerous apprentices throughout his life.
the living force has its own will, right? it theoretically could be that "some other factor" -
just a what-if thought. plus this is all written by human writers who can choose to employ "deus ex machina"😸
@@dizehjvegnomis I won't say it's wrong, though I do get equally whiny with Lord of the Rings. There, they DO have a godlike figure, who set all the events in motion; who can intervene, but only rarely chooses to, in ways that might not be sensible compared to other times He didn't. It's sortbof like a typical God, I suppose. Sometimes, I accept that the Force has SOMETHING beyond it, and a will from that, but it gets so choosy with when it intervenes I sometimes like to think it is just an energy field, at the whims of the good and bad people who cam use it, and events happen because they make it happen. Maybe Darth Tenebrous would be slightly proud of me. 😊
@@venkelos6996 i agreed that you had an interesting theory. i was just making a point in support of it, regarding the qualifier that oscar gave about vader possibly beating the emperor - despite george's, mmm, interesting percentages quantifying the power levels of everyone's favorite space wizards.
@@venkelos6996 oh yeah, lotr lore is really fascinating, i've only gone through the silmarillion once but it blew my mind, finding out how old the wizards were and what they were, not to mention the rest of it...
New video ideas:
1) Why Darth Vader HATED his injuries
2) Why most jedi DISLIKED order 66
3) Would Vader have PREFERRED to keep his limbs???
Darth Vader is weak asf. He uses the light saber like an old dude in A new hope.
So did Luke. Choreographies were more simple during the 70s and 80s. Most other Sith from the comics and games were more interesting though. Still, Vader was the coolest when we were young because he was there from the start
@@xNachtmahRx Vader lost to Luke, a half baked Jedi that would later in his life drink milk directly from the tits of alien cows. That's pretty embarrassing for Vader in my opinion.
Vader didn’t wanna kill Luke and he was conflicted.
Everyone likes to mention Vaders hatred and pain and constant discomfort, and while these definitely did beyond doubt fuel his power and connection to the dark side, power alone is useless without direction and purpose. And the fact that Vader especially just before the events of a new hope, had learned to hone his concentration to an alarming degree and learned to be a bit of a strategist. This above all just enhanced and allowed his connection to the force grow to the level that it did, despite his physical limitations.
I thought with Obi-Wan he was old out of practice so he was not strong as he used to be it was a whole different Obi-Wan dark Vader Who is constantly increasing his skills by studying The dark side and staying in practice by constantly being on the battlefield
Darth*** It's not Dark Vader, it's Darth Vader.
You should do a video on which lightsaber form is the best over all the forms please
Your anger and hate gives you focus and makes you more powerful
Interesting analysis.
Makes sense, it does.
Here is a question to anyone in the comments do you all think that Darth Vader and the ancient dark lord of the Sith Darth Magus are similar mainly because the way they used the Darkside of the force how they used their pain rage and anger in order to fuel their bleed and in the way that Darth Vader used the pain reach an angry over losing Padme and how the ancient dark Lord assess Darth Magus used his rage and anger over losing Elena Doral
Obi-Wan was calmer in their duel. Vader,like you said became far more experienced,calmer. He was a scalpel. And yes he was more powerful than practically everyone. Obi-wan was right about him. Everything. May the Force be with you too :)
Excellent video!!!
I personally think that this is very logically bc Vader got far more experience from time to time in the Dark Side and he learned from all his failures! Also Lord Sidious himself once said that true Lords of the Sith should be able to use the Emotions of the Dark Side and the Dark Side itself as tools for their personal gain, but shouldn’t get controlled by these instead! And that was Darth Vaders greatest problem in his early years as a Sith! But the years have passed and Vader became a true Master of his Emotions and the Dark Side itself! This also gave him such a great and calculating Light Saber Style! So he finally became a true Dark Lord of the Sith with an unstoppable Lightsaber Combat Style!
Vader had surpassed every jedi and Sith of all eras , he became a avatar of the force itself .
He was the chosen one and sithari in one being .
Lovely analysis about the difference between Vader and Ancient Sith.
Yes.
At 1:45 might be a mix up of names. "Choosing to call him Darth, instead of Obi Wan.." Still awesome video!
It definitely makes sense that Vader was Stronger than Anakin because Anakin was just coming into his own and not nearly as strong as he would've become had he not been injured on Mustafar. But Vader had experience and preparation with time which can only make someone more skilled and powerful.
I’ve always found it interesting that during the Mustafar duel, Obi-Wan was able to parry the Force push of Darth Vader, despite the fact that Anakin was the strongest Force sensitive in history while Kenobi’s own power was around or slightly below average.
Anakin was stuck between world's during that fight (light and dark) and therefore wasn't in the right frame of mind, was distracted. This was explained in legends and canon
Kenobi power wasn’t below Average.. Obiwan is actually in the top 10 of the most powerful Jedi
@@SheedLordBear actually you're wrong. It's not apparent because Obi-Wan trained so hard to perfect his skills. But he had the least amount of Modichlorians of all Jedi in prequel era why do you think he was still a Padawan at 25?! His power grew post Naboo because he dedicated time to master his force skills and lightsaber skills. Unlike with Mace, Yoda and Anakin who had an advantage with things coming to them more naturally and easily he struggled a lot
@@davidhannum9017 yes, obi wan and anakin are opposites in that regard. It kind of tells the story of hard work beating talent to a certain extent. Of course anakin ultimatley lost because he was internally conflicted and overly emotional, not due to his lack of hard work. As you said its established in the lore that this is what allowed obi wan to win by playing his ego and eventually baiting him into a counter strike.
Kenobi's power level was "below average"*
*for a true master Jedi and council member
that one stat is not Kenobi's strong suit and it is not a straight up power level either. There is nothing preventing a mediocre powerful force user from exercising total mastery of their specialty, or from learning and even mastering techniques that are far beyond what an average force user with a higher raw 'power' level.
Kenobi was the embodiment of disciplined study and adherence to the values of the Jedi order, of cool compassion and unflinching willingness to act when it's his responsibility. Calling him 'below average' without heavily qualifying it is straight up wrong. He was a talented Jedi and clearly stood out from any 'average' Jedi on his strength of character alone.
Calling him darth instead of obi wan? You know you could have redone the line right... And you mean he moved on from anakin since he now believes he is truly gone and accepts him to be darth vader. But most likely not wanting to say that full name calls him darth only.
Well they only fought twice according to GL, and I stick by that lore. I agree with all points that you made without the Reva Show's points being in there. Vader was new to his power on Mustafar, and much more focused but still weary of Kenobi on the Death Star.
For me I believe Its less to do with "Jedi" or "Sith" and more that Vader/Anakin just got older and more experienced. Anakin would have become stronger regardless of the path he was on. Regardless of how hard Vader tries to distance himself from Anakin or how hard Obi Wan convinces himself that "Anakin" is dead he's still Anakin😏 - the way he deals with things, his battle tactics, etc its pretty consistent across all the live action and animated stuff. Obi will always have a slight edge over Anakin/Vader because of how well he knows him.
Do u have a video about ancient sith having visions/premonitions about Vader in the future? I’ve never heard that before, that’s really awesome, I’d love to find out about that!
Also, I don’t know if I would consider vader as STRONGER than anakin. It sounds like they’re saying he’s a better duelist, even tho I don’t think that’s ENTIRELY accurate, as different situations/opponents would be better handled by different techniques, so Anakins “sledgehammer” would be better than Vader’s “scalpel” in some situations, but overall still, it sounds like Anakin was still actually STRONGER, but vader more than made up for it with his skill.
Darth Sion kept himself alive through pain and the dark side and was basically immortal. So this makes sense.
Are you saying Vader was also a wound in the force he could be for sure.
@@129das not what he saying he saying the force is keeping him alive
Yes he was stronger he stopped a ship with one hand and could have killed obi each encounter but didnt to plot and needing a season 2 of kenobi.. also when anakin first lost to plot by jumping into obis lightsaber when he coulda just went to the side.
I think you meant Darth instead of Anakin not obi wan
Anakin could snap his fingers with both his hands (pre-Attack of the Clones.)
He could also could stand on his actual legs and dance. He got laid A LOT by Natalie Portman.
He could even peel an apple with a pearing knife just with the Force, this made her moist...
Vader could float in a bacta tank like A BOSS. Had to have mechanical arms descend and pluck him out of the tank. Didn't really have a girlfriend because of the liquid hot magma action on the ol' Twig and Berries. But he could choke his hapless minions like a moebotch...
All this bs for 1 like….
Choosing to call him Darth instead of Anakin*
Obi-Wan simply emptied his cup and through the struggling the force filled it up with knowledge of fight that he did not know and defeated Darth Vader
Darth Vader was like a patch that was put on anakin to severely nerf him only to find out that his new 'nerfed' kit is vastly different but still tier zero
Darts instead of obi wan lol that one got through 🙃
Yeah I laughed at that too
my interpretation is that obi wan still could have beat Vader. But he is surrounded by stormtroopers while Luke and Leia were escaping, so he realized perhaps they couldn't escape if he killed Vader because then it would be war on the death Star against a Jedi, everyone would be alerted. So he chose to become a force ghost to better serve Luke. Also Vader didn't kill obi wan, Kenobi vanished before getting hit thus denying Vader of the kill.
wrong
"The circle is now complete" had such a deep meaning
Vader followed Obi-wan's footsteps to the tee
first started out arrogant: checked
forced to let go of the loved ones: checked
had to accept and overcome their shortcoming: checked
became extremely skilled by pushing themselves to the utmost limit: checked
let go of the offensive form and focused on defense, to the point of becoming unstoppable: checked
and most important, they both learned the ways of the high ground
I’ve always preferred the idea that he was not weakened, but made both weaker and stronger. He’s got increased vulnerability to lightning and having his breathing apparatus damaged, but he’s also equally strong in the Force as he would have been.
1:45 Slight error I need to point out. Here, it should say “choosing to call him Darth, instead of ANAKIN”, not Obi-Wan.
It stands to reason that Darth Vader would have grown smarter and more powerful as he aged. Before Anakin became Darth Vader he had far more potential for power, not power itself.
Came to see if anyone else had already pointed this out and had to scroll for awhile. Lol thought I was the only one who caught it.
@@harrisonbaylor1432 Everybody makes mistakes, lol.
So, the Jedi duelist you have described Vader becoming, actually sounds more like a light side duelist than a dark side duelist. I think the cold and calculated machine Vader turned into, was actually Anakin all along, Vader/ Anakin finally was able to understand emotion and anger would not help in a duel, he just so happened to be inside the suit with a red lightsaber when he figured it all out, and, of course, Vader does come back to the light right before he dies, so, Anakin was way more powerful than Vader ever could be. I think of his duel against Dooku when he cut his hands off and just simply became too much to handle, you saw anger in Anakin, however, he was very calculated in that duel, working Dooku all the way down to that fatal moment. Then of course, when he had the power to take Dooku in or kill him, he of course, killed Dooku, but, not by his own choice, Anakin just, was granted permission for once in his life, and was made to feel correct in killing Dooku because, well, the Chancellor, holding the highest power, made him feel correct in killing a sith Lord, no matter how wrong and against the Jedi it was. So remember, Anakin to Vader, it was always truly a Skywalker from start to finish, Anakin was the better more powerful "warrior" of the two.
Vader is still more powerful then Anakin
The quote that you mention around the 1:06 - 1:18 mark with Obi-Wan said about the Death Star battle. Where did it come from? Video game, book, comic book, or other media?
Sorry, I haven't hit all the material. Would be nice for a reference point. Thank You
I feel like we've seen this video before
Anakin with Vader's mind game would have been the most powerful being in the galaxy!
Bull$#&*. In reality the writer of the Kenobi series originally had Vader winning the final fight. Story wise Anakin should had won on Mustafar. Dooku had defeated Obiwan TWICE and was defeated by Anakin (only when giving into his emotion which powers the Darkside). After becoming Palpatins pupil Vader became more powerful not less. Why the &#$# would you give up everything and everyone if not to gain more power and become more than you are currently? I guess the chosen one who had more midiclorians or whatever than anyone just had to wait till Kenobi was an old man according to this BS to beat him.
I just watched the prequels and I think it's so jnteresting that Obi Wan is trying to win against Anakin in friendly brotherly competition in these films (mostly 2) and the one time he wins in a competition it's to kill his brother.
I like your take. I thought Darth Sidious took advantage of Anakin’s defeat by Obi-Wan on Mustifar by purpose or opportunity by blunting his full potential of power as Darth Vader by encasement of his life supporting armor. This, Sidious reduced his apprentice’s ability to betray and replace Sidious as Sith are supposed to do. I think it makes a lot of sense that Vader found a work around to enhancing his Dark Force power through a slower evolution of becoming a cold, calculated, and disciplined machine of war - something he was able to do because of his Jedi training.
I now think Lucasfilm set the time gap between Revenge of The Sith and A New Hope to be to short. It probably should be around 30 years instead of 20 years.
Even if a retcon that would have Obi-Wan or Yoda or Mace have to time jump Luke, Leia and their adoptive parents forward through the World Between Worlds as infants. The inability of the Empire to track these people down would make more sense and a lot of other interpersonal relationships would make more sense.
There is only one real question! Why does Disney want to destroy starwars?!! Obi-wan did not kill Anankin in Revenge of the Sith, there for fails the galaxy and putting it into darkness! How can it ever be that when Obi-wan gets a new change of killing Darth vader and bringing licht back in the world, bringen back the jedi order by training Leia and Luke. Again choice to walk away scared to save the galaxy from evil!!!
By the time of the original trilogy, one gets the sense that Vader had grown tremendously disciplined in his dueling style. He seemed to tailor his combat forms to his opponents--- slow & careful against Obi Wan on the Death Star, methodically-toying against Luke on Bespin.
Well one more duel
That first time with Vader was Kenobi running away
So where was it ever written or spoken that O B Wan dueled Vader before A New Hope? Or is this canon being s....t on as usual by Disney K K.? P.S I hold the reamagining of the New Hope fight canon as it's better then the O G fight done in 77 which we know could not do more then that because of technology , I would like to see one done for Return of the Jedi as I feel like a few extra min would do that battle justice for Vader although one could argue Vader almost allows Luke to beat him not putting up much of a fight , I still believe Vader could have killed Luke if he wanted to.
Darth Sidious made that suit to hinder Anakin Darth Vader's powers. Anakin Skywalker would of been the most powerful force user and Jedi in existence if he never would have turned to the dark side for one, but was the age of when he killed Obi-Wan. Look how powerful he becomes with all the handicap basically.
Anakin lost to Obi wan because he was just straight up emotionally a wreck. Man was so unbalanced a feather could tip him over. This was the only moment Obi-Wan would ever have to beat Anakin before he became too powerful.
Vader is a beast, but we all know he's mostly just a burnt husk of how deadly Anakin would be if he was in a proper state of mind. He wasnt even trained to be a Sith yet he was just turning to the Dark side. An unbalanced jedi so distraught he was just going through the motions of blind emotion.
Easily defeatable
Vader was more powerful than the Anakin Obi knew. I completely believe Anakin would have been FAR more powerful than Vader, under the right conditions.it’s well known how much power he lost when he lost his body. It would be silly to pretend Vader was stronger.
He totally had that coming. PRide comes before a 'fall.'
It is sad that the creators of the series abandoned the original script where Vader wins the second duel with Kenobi in the series about Obi-Wan for a change. If you think about it, he's not such a positive character. He behaved like an asshole in the final battle with Vader, breaking the rules by treating the enemy like droids or Grievous. Not feeling that Anakin is still there, but a different approach is needed to rescue him from the prison of the dark side. Their first fight was great and me it becomes a pity for Vader he treats Kenobi the way he treats him on Mustafar when he abandoned him instead of calmly talking and solving problems with words. Instead of starting a fight and angering Anakin even more. Although fire is not lava. It would be better if there was no second fight and they just went their separate ways. And Kenobi remained deservedly beaten and defeated for being a bad brother and friend who was not there for Anakin when he needed someone better than Palpatine who he could trust, talk to, be understood, heard, get advice so as not to do stupid things in his youth.
Anakin pre suit never hit or got anywhere near his full potential in the force. Then because he lost his limbs he lost so much potential. And he's always conflicted fighting obiwan nerfing him
He technically was on his way
When Vader draws his power from suffering to enhance his power in the dark side unlike other Sithlords. To hypothesize Darth Sidious can’t use force lighting at all and as a traditional Sithlord he enhances his power like all the other Sithlords before him with rage and hate. Wouldn’t that make Darth Vader a better duelist in lightsaber combat then his Master Darth Sidious?
If that's the case he kinda sucks at it. Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Sion, Lord of Pain? It's basically if Anakin just raged so much on the lava beach that he just CRAWLED home, and didn't even need a suit afterwards, just raged hard enough to keep his broken body going. Then have this happen to him several times to the point where his body, biologically, is a corpse. That's Darth Sion.
Yoda " said him self .the dark side isn't stronger. Only more surductive....vada was only more ruthless!!! ..not stronger !!
You know the sad part is, with all the innocents and children Ani killed to turn himself to the dark side, there was nothing but cold indifference as he cut them down, but with Obi-Wan there was real seething rage there because if there was one person he definitely thought he could rely on, it was Obi Wan. And it definitely shows in that he wanted Obi Wan to back down and didn’t want to fight. If Vader had killed Obi Wan there, Anakin would really have been lost.
I look at like this anakin Is that basketball player with all the potential but lacks the mental component to make himself truly great getting by on physical gifts. And vader is that same player finally getting it mentally you know not being rash thinking thinking before acting but now he doesn't have the physical gifts anymore. So I think vader is slightly stronger I say anakin is a 7 and vader is 7.5 or 8 . Now if you put the calculating calm mind of vader in prime anakin my God it really is unlimited power
I think Vader lost to obiwan because he got weak in the dark force because he was having feelings for his friend Obiwan during the fight. If you remember darth sidious palpaptine asking vader if he was allright because he seemed really emotional and if he still has something going on for his old master and darth responded to palpatine that he only serves palpatine. Do you guys think im right ? Let me know in the replies your thoughts
5:10 uh i think it had more to do with the movie being made in the late 70s.. and that was about the best they could do..
let's not just make shit up and call it lore.
also props for turning 3min videos into 7-15min videos by being unconcise and repetitive asf in your round about explanations.. but u gotta do what u gotta do to get them ad monies
Anakin was more like Russell Westbrook if you ever watch him play basketball complete offensive and uses his athleticism to defeat players he has to shoot a lot to do it but he gets it done but you can’t win a championship with him leading. Vader is like Michael Jordan a complete package he has the offense and defense and he has an high IQ to know when to use his athleticism and when to use his brain to defeat you
their is a mistake around 1:45. it's suppose to say "obi-wan calls him Darth instead of Anakin" and not "obi-won calls him Darth instead of obi-won."
You mean "calling him 'Darth' instead of 'ANAKIN'...". It was Obi-Wan talking, remember?
I think it depends on what you mean by stronger. Stronger in the force? Not a chance. A stronger overall combatant? Definitely.
What you mean not stronger in the force? Vader is stronger in both then Anakin
So,u r trying to alternate the obvious....and amazingly a lot of pp. blindly follow...... it's so sad.... really is....
It's hard to say. Vader did have the calculation before and during combat Anakin never had, but he lacked the mobility of Anakin. Merge the 2 strengths, and it would be an unstoppable entity as an Anakin/Vader perfect merger.
See it’s not about how powerful he WAS it was how powerful he could have been so while he’s Vader is stronger than anakin he is still a shadow of the potential anakin held and that’s a solid fact had Vader kept his remaining limbs the empire would of been very different lol anakin is literally a being of the force and had the potential to be the strongest being ever and he let it slip away so yeah Vader was for sure stronger but potential wise anakin takes the cake hands down
Anakin/Vader...A tragic tale of what if Jesus would have become evil and given into his anger and hate for humanity on Earth.