Worst part is he's right. Vader even if he force chokes you to death will just straight up kill you. As we saw when The Emperor uses force lightning on Luke Palpatine likes to torture people and cause them as much pain as possible for fun before killing them. Between the two you'd want to be killed by Vader. It would be cleaner and much quicker.
As always thank you so very much for the video. This reminds me of a favorite Star Wars quote of mine, from James Earl Jones, outside of the movies: “A lot of Star Wars fans come up to me and ask me to say ‘Luke, I am your father.’ And I’ll remind them that the quote is actually ‘No, I am your father.’ Then I use the force to choke them within an inch of their life while they weep and beg for forgiveness. I love my fans.” ~ James Earl Jones
I never thought that the “choke on your aspirations” joke was out of place. It was really menacing as it emphasizes the fact of how much power and cruelty Darth Vader possessed. He was able to torture someone and make a joke out of it to remind the subjects to stay in line.
It’s so menacing and scary. When I was older a few years later and understand more, I watched most of Star Wars (including the series), and that time I thought it was intentional to put maliciousness and fear in the hearts of people
Vader was known for his dark humor. Infact, when first becoming vader he was sent to kill the seperatist council. When he arrived, a nimoidian begged, "Sidious said he would leave us in peace!" to which vader smugly replied, "The message was garbled, he said hed leave you in pieces." Its important that the dark side isnt just killing or being ruthless, but actually enjoying the pain and suffering you inflict.
That is true for the cannon sith. But if you also include the legends sith. Not all of them enjoyed it. For example, I don't think Nihilus got overjoyed with inflicting pain. Being a sith just means leeching off of others. You don't nessacarily have to enjoy it. Although enjoying it was encouraged by sith and the dark side.
Vader had a marvelous, if sporadic, sense of Humor! One of my favorite scenes is when he arrives at the second Death Star where the work supervisor tells Vader he's behind because he needs more men, then promises they will redouble their efforts - to which Vader replies "I hope so Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as Forgiving as I am..." I can't stop laughing at that line! So, when I saw the "choke" joke, it seemed entirely appropriate, especially considering what an insufferable ass Krennic was. Vader had little patience for pompous fools.
@@DarthBludgeon i have seen this over 200 times. i never ever thought he was wisse cracking. or joking. he was warning the guy. ther eis a reason after he said that the dude had a big huge GULP on his face
@@Johnadams20760 In chess, it's regarded as a solid move, when the move accomplishes 2 or 3 things at once. Why couldn't Vader have been doing 2 things at once with his statement - delivering a warning (which he obviously was), AND making a sarcastic wisecrack? I think Vader knows what his personality is, and that Vader knows full well that he is NOT forgiving, AND he knows that his underlings know he's not forgiving. I think Vader wants people to fear him, including his own officers. That's not compatible with being thought of as 'forgiving.' Indeed, the impression is that every imperial officer in the vicinity is terrified of Vader, unless they are outlier officers who are arrogant (the officer that Vader chokes in 'A New Hope,' and Admiral Ozzel whom Vader kills in 'Empire.' Both seem strangely, atypically unafraid of Vader, before he moves on them.)
In an interview George Lucas originally thought of Darth Vader as more of a thug, or hired muscle. He originally thought Tarkin was the one that was evil. Thankfully, George Lucas quickly came to his senses. This also helps explain princess Leia line, "Gran Moff Tarkin, I expected to see you holding Vader's leash."
Yeah, I'm really not sure how anyone who has actually watched A New Hope could think that Vader outranked Tarkin. Tarkin is repeatedly shown giving Vader orders. It's very clear that he holds the rank.
@@StormhavenGaming At minimum, thinking Vader and Tarkin are on the same rank as one another would make sense. But Vader just more powerful than Tarkin in combat and stuff, position in the Empire, Tarkin is higher.
He was the Emperor's right hand man / thug / "problem solver" and sat within the political (and semi-religious) structure of the Empire. Tarkin was senior in the military structure. Neither was superior, they were sort of peers.
@@nickgiovanniit5809 If that were the case, Tarkin would not have been in a position to give him a direct order ("Vader, release him!") that is followed without question. Tarkin has the rank on the Death Star. Vader is only there to find the rebels and give the Death Star a target to blow up. Vader does not even have any military rank and his apparent subordinates are openly contemptuous of him. Vader fills the role of "The Black Knight" in ANH, there to be brutal and intimidating but definitely not the one calling the shots.
One thing some fans seem to believe is that Ani doesn't become Darth Vader until the suit, it's like the missed the whole bit where he become the Sith after Mace went out the Windu. It was Darth Vader that invaded the Jedi Temple, it was Darth Vader that "rewarded" the Separatist Leaders and it was Darth Vader dueling Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar. Of course many Star Wars fans couldn't tell you who Darth Tyranus is either lol 😝
I argue that if we include Clone Wars, there's the presence of character in quite a few scenes. Of course he hasn't been christened as Vader yet but some the mannerisms and overall tone of the character are clear, this is Vader.
Agreed on the last point. I've met many who claim to be Star Wars fan but as soon as I ask either "Who is Qui-Gon Jin master" or "What do you think of Darth Tyrannus" The first question, alot of people actually forgot Dooku was Qui Gon master, as for the second one, majority casual fan ask "Who?. Of course, casual, hardcore, toxic, all are fan, though claiming you know alot about Star Wars, you better know a fair bit about it to back up what you said.
@@dawnmcauley6411 The scene when he comes out of the Tuskin tent just after his mom dies and just before slaughtering the whole camp, is when I always thought Vader was born.
Not only did James Earl Jones not voice Vader for the Kenobi show, but they actually layered his synthesized voice over Hayden Christensen's actual performance. So really, Hayden deserves a lot of credit for capturing the essence of Vader, portraying his speech patterns and cadence so perfectly that everyone thought Jones had done the voicework.
There are moments when I hear Hayden’s near spot-on performance as James Earl’s portrayal of Vader falter just a bit, but I think it’s intentional. In moments of intense rage, it sounds more like Hayden’s Anakin, before he started using Vader’s pronunciation. Almost like it’s Anakin coming out for just a second, expressing his pain that led him to becoming Vader in the first place.
@@adrianreevers891 Yes! I also loved the Prequel flashback because you could hear just a little bit of Clone Wars Anakin in Hayden's performance. When he says "That's why you're gonna lose!" I almost lost it. It's very much delivered like Matt Lanter, but it feels right coming from Hayden's Anakin too. He somehow blended years of character development from multiple different actors into the same character.
A lot of casual fans are unaware of what the panel on Darth Vader's chest actually does. From left to right, the functions of the buttons on Vader's chest are thusly: Milk, Milk, Lemonade...
In the Rvenge of the Sith book, Anakin makes some really dark jokes to the serpatists before he kills them. It was something along the lines of : Seperatist: We were promised to be rewarded handsomely! Anakin: You don't find me handsome?
Another big one I am surprised wasn’t mentioned was that everyone was afraid to work for Lord Vader because he killed everyone who worked for him if they failed. That wasn’t true. He actually commanded a lot of respect and admiration from Stormtroopers and working on Vader’s ships was usually for more decorated officers and personnel (which is one reason why the destruction of the Executor was such a large blow to the Empire after Endor. Some of their best personnel went down with that ship) Vader didn’t just kill you for failing he hated that many members of the imperial navy made it to high places through bribery or nepotism instead of merit. Thats one of the reasons Admiral Piett wasn’t killed when the Falcon escaped in episode V even though his failure was devastating to Vader. Piett was overall a very competent officer and Vader respected him for that and therefore didn’t kill him when he did fail.
Also, Vader successfully planted the seed of doubt in Luke's mind, so it was not a complete failure. As far as he was concerned, Luke would come to him eventually.
I believe it was specified in "Heir to the Empire" by Timothy Zahn that the Super Star Destroyer Executor, Vader's personal flagship, contained almost every top-quality Imperial officer of each grade in the Imperial Navy. Captain Pellaeon was actually more upset by the destruction of Executor than the destruction of the second Death Star, because almost every officer who might have been able to rebuild the Empire after the Emperor's, and Vader's, death died alongside him in the Executor when it crashed into the Death Star. So serving under Vader, whilst dangerous for anyone of limited competence, was a sign of significant ability and far from worrying for anyone who was actually good at their job.
I'll disagree about Kenobi's death. The fact remained that he disappeared from his cloak before the light saber hit him. That's irrefutable. It also explains Vader prodding the clothing with his foot afterward. He didn't hit Kenobi and couldn't understand why or where the body went. I go with the idea that Kenobi voluntarily allowed the Force to absorb him and so did Yoda later in his turn, and Luke later in _his_ turn.
@@blackmondayy1 Which kinda makes no sense. Even if Obi-Wan willingly left the plane, the cloak was clearly still physically there and in the path of the light saber. I could not have fallen before the saber sliced through it. So in either scenario, the unburnt cloak is a continuity error.
@@robertbeste You are 100% correct. It is an error. I guess at this point people can belive what they want. Also why only some jedi becames force ghost immediatly after death ( like Obi-Wan, Yoda ) while others like Qui-Gon don´t ?!
@@blackmondayy1 It has been explained plenty of times and it is explained the most in the Clone Wars animated tv show when Yoda travels to learn what Qui-Gon did not fully learn in the last few episodes done by George Lucas.
Vader actually knew Tarkin, as they meet during the close wars when Tarkin was an admiral in the republic. Anakin grew to respect Tarkin and his rather ruthless ways. So his deference to him is most likely also out of respect for Tarkin himself.
@@Nghilifa He started out as a captain yes. During the Clone Wars he became an admiral though. Somewhere in between after beeing rescued from the Citadel and the whole Renown incident. And shortly after the fall of the Republic, he became Grand Moff.
@@FriesianKiwi66 Remember, *he thought Padme died* He wasn't aware of Luke and Leia. I presume that yes, at some point, he was informed, but he wouldn't have been able to know at first
@@hazeltree7738 in a canon comic, specifically a Darth Vader comic, revealed that some time in between ANH and TESB, Vader hired Boba Fett to track down and bring him Luke or "the boy who destroyed the Death Star", with Boba ultimately failing to do so, but gave Vader a piece of vital info: Boba got his last name, Skywalker, and told this to Vader, who severely cracked the windows of the bridge of the ISD he was on, with Vader saying Skywalker.
The Vader/Tarkin part is missing a few details. In Canon At the time of ANH Vader was nothing more than a servant of the Emperor at the time of ANH he carried little military authority, so yes Tarkin had higher authority, it wasn’t until after the destruction of the Death Star that Palpatine publicly named Vader as a direct extension of himself and and order from would be a direct order of the Emperor himself therefore giving him near limitless Military Authority
@@JOCoStudio1 you are correct I forgot about that! Palpatine punished him for the Death Star by putting General Tagge in charge of him until Vader killed him, THEN everything I mentioned happened….I think
"...you'll struggle to find a more misquoted move one liner..." Counterpoint: "You have to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel Lucky?' Well do ya, punk?" getting condensed to "Do you feel lucky, punk?"
Something interesting to me, I just finished listening to the radio drama of the Empire strikes back, and that one actually uses the misquote. In the radio drama, Vader says “no Luke, I am your father”.
george was also known for going back to movies to change small details for example that sentence is what he changed on release he said no luke im ur father and later changed it to no im ur father
vader also just respects tarkin a lot. they met all the way back during the clone wars, and anakin had always admired tarkin's willingness of the idea of victory at all costs, even if it means breaking the rules.
@@Dr_Do-Little To be fair, what was written in 1977 was Vader is "Lord" and Tarkin is "Grand Moff", the former being a noble title and the later being militaristic. Tarkin had complete seniority in matters that concerned the Death Star. So while Tarkin doesn't necessarily outrank Vader, it does make sense, even if that is just a coincidence it fits with later lore.
I read a book one time about Darth Vader(I have no idea if is considered canon or legends). This book goes through events in Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader’s life and is actually all from Skywalker/Vader’s point of view. When the book gets to where Darth Vader arrives on the Death Star in A New Hope, it mentions that the Emperor ordered Vader to obey Tarkin while on the Death Star, and in a thought Vader “says” that is the only reason he obey the Grand Moff’s orders.
Ya, that book is "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader". It is legend though. This part is chapter 15, when Vader is force-choking Motti for making fun of him and the force. Tarkin tells Vader to release him, and Vader only obeys him since "it was the Emperor's command that he serve Tarkin on the Death Star.
well due to disney sucking big giant ballzac all non disney books aren't cannon any more because hans mofo name is han solo and not some bullsht name some jakoff imperial gave him n yes i am sooo pissed bout that just like solo shot first.
There’s some great lines in the episode III novel that were cut from the movie that Vader said, like to Nute Gunray… Nute Gunray says ‘Lord Sidious promised us Peace!’ and Vader responds with something like ‘No he promised you pieces.’ and then quickly slices him up. That scene is full of Vader saying puns if I remember correctly.
I don't think anything in the novel was "cut" from the movie, I am pretty sure the novel came after the movie, from the movie, and just has some stuff added.
@@johnpalmer4425 the novel version came out over a month before the movie did, and is based on the prefinal version of the script. So, yes, it was "cut".
@@johnpalmer4425 pretty sure the original cut was intended to be like 4h. a lot of content was left out of the movie. probably a lot of it was never filmed but the scripts were there.
1:28 In "The Rise And Fall Of Darth Vader" it says that he recognised C-3PO when he saw him at Cloud City, and wanted him destroyed, but later when Chewbacca takes him back, he remembers something Shmi told Anakin, and gives C-3PO back to Chewy. The book is Legend, so this isn't confirmed, but I thought it was cool.
About the "Luke, I am your father' misquote-- yes it's incorrect, but in the 'real' world, it's probably a more useful reference. Adding Luke to the line makes it more self-contained, and more obviously pertaining to Star Wars. I'm guessing a lot of fans have used it, even knowing it's a paraphrase.
Another thing to think about with Vader and C3PO is Vader may have been able to recognize him. Thing is he may just not have cared at that point. Like you also mentioned he really believed he’d killed off the Anakin part of himself so although he may have still had those memories he tried to suppress them. He also really was only around 3PO as Vader for a short period while he was more preoccupied with other things. In that moment 3PO wouldn’t have been a very worthwhile priority on his mind.
@@matt_kyote97 possibly! That’s my point whatever the reason I’d be willing to bet Vader likely did recognize C3PO he likely just chose not to do anything about it. In cloud city with what he was there to do, what value would it serve Vader to say anything to 3PO or anyone else that he recognized him?
I thought Vader did recognize C3PO. When Chewbacca started attacking when they were about to freeze Han in ESB, did Vader not stop Boba Fett from shooting because Chewbacca had C3PO strapped on his back?
Vader actually does remember C-3PO. In the new comics, when Han and company are captured at Cloud City, C-3PO was sent to be destroyed. But Vader goes into the room and has a moment while holding C-3PO’a head, reminiscing. Its then he allows C-3PO’s body to go back to the the rebels.
Vader actually does remember C-3PO. In the new comics, when Han and company are captured at Cloud City, C-3PO was sent to be destroyed. But Vader goes into the room and has a moment while holding C-3PO’a head, reminiscing. Its then he allows C-3PO’s body to go back to the the rebels.
You're right - but even if this video is only counting canon, Vader never sees C-3PO in the movies. The only time they share a scene is when 3PO is strapped to Chewbacca's back in the carbon chamber, so Vader doesn't actually have an opportunity to recognise him physically.
My grandma doesn't knew the name, when I got the black series Kenobi Vader, but she asked me, "is this I am your father" and made the breathing sound. She didn't knew the name but got the quote right. 🤣
@@garrethutchington1663 that was your take away from their comment? You do realize that people around the world speak more than one language, right? For shame...
Vader's helmet and the 'But you'll die' is one of those things where people forget that Vader just took to full brunt of Palpatine's force lightning to pitch the monstrous Sith lord over the railing to his death. Taking Vader's helmet and mask off certainly will eventually kill him, after he tires out from using the force. But at those times he's usually in a LOT better shape. And of course, Vader follows Luke's concern about dying up with a simple line: "Nothing... Can stop that now."
In the comics produced by Dark Horse Vader does come across C-3PO after he was shot in Cloud City. He has a brief flashback causing him to mourn hus fallen friend before the Ugnauts attempt to melt him down.
#2 Does he ever actually have any screen time with 3PO in the original trilogy? Threepio leaves the ship before Vadar arrives. He then is in the background of the scenes on death star but Vadar only confronts Obi Wan and was too busy too notice the others till Obi Wan was dead, even then he probably only noticed Luke. In Empire threepio is in pieces by the time Vadar arrives at Bespin and the only possible time they may have been together was when Han was put into carbonite.. I think he was on Chewies back at the time. Lastly in ROTJ Vadar only meets Luke on Endor and then they both leave to the Death Star. I may be wrong but #2 on your list doesn't actually seem like it ever happened at all.
Finally!!! I have been waiting for this for so long... thank goodness someone finally did this. Every darth vader fan should watch this, I have met so many which have fallen victim to these ridiculous misconceptions, even those who follow the comics. This is a very good list too, thanks for keeping the canon! Also, plz touch the dumb medical stuff in another video.
As for killing Obi-Wan, he gave himself up to the Force in order to become one with the Force, just like Yoda and Luke did. Vader's lightsaber never touched Obi-Wan in A New Hope. That is also why funeral pyres were the acceptable way to dispose of a Jedi's body. They don't automatically become Force ghosts during the time of the Republic. At the end of Revenge of the Sith, Yoda informs Obi-Wan that Qui Gon came backs a Force ghost after learning how to do so. Qui Gon taught Yoda, who taught Obi-Wan, who taught Luke.
but that doesn't make sense since it is Qui-gonn's ghost that shows up on Tatooine to teach Ben a few things about haunting your friends once you become a ghost, and show up on some ice planet in the middle of nowhere to convince your friend's son to go to some backwater planet to learn the ways of the force, from "Grogu, Senior"..
If you bought a vehicle today, then lost it in 5 years, would you assume that every vehicle of that design you see for the next 20-30 years is your missing vehicle? No you wouldn't, same reason Vader wouldn't assume every protocol droid he sees is his old one
I did know some of that. But it's nice to have it all together. And the bit about him having killed Anikan does put a stronger spin on No, I am your father.
On the part where he can live without his helmet, you're right he can. As you said he focus his rage and stays alive, but at the end of return of the jedi, Vader has no more hate left in him. You can see it vanish after kenobi died.(and the new kenobi show kinda confirms all his hatred was directed towards kenobi.) So he would probably die soon after removing the helmet at the end of the movie because he was at peace once again.
The light side of the Force can sustain you as well. As demonstrated in the champions of the force book. However, he just gave up at the end. So you could almost call it Suicide.
I remember from Rebel Assault II the cinematic just before the last or second to last level has Vader saying, "You have failed me for the last time," as he force chokes the admiral, and once he falls down dead, he leans down towards the body and adds, "You will not have the opportunity to do so again." To truly be a Sith, you cannot simply cause injury to others; you must add insult as well.
Though this story is often told in fan circles the casual viewer may not know that, as far as everyone on set knew, the most famous twist in movie history was going to be "Obi-Wan killed your father". George Lucas knew that Vader being Luke's father would change everything so he took advantage of the fact it would be recorded in post to hide the truth. Mark Hamill was told at the last minute; though his lines didn't change he needed to react to what David Prowse (Vader's physical actor) was doing rather than what he was saying. There's a funny interview with Mark from the Graham Norton Show where he tells the story of having to keep the secret for over a year, and Harrison Ford's response at the premiere.
8:25 George Lucas himself said in an interview with Leonard Maltin that Obi Wan joined the force half a second before Darth Vader’s lightsaber could hit him. Obi Wan was not killed or even injured by Vader, just as Luke was never killed by Ben. 👍😉
This is a genuinely good example, of a novice idea, that was adapted over many years, by many different writers, patching different lore's together, and hoping for the best. Lucas throwing pasta against the wall to see what sticks.
The funny thing about that so-called "Why doesn't Vader remember C3PO?" plot hole is, there's no way to know one way or the other whether he remembers him or not in the Original Trilogy. Other than a few brief moments in the carbon freeze chamber in which Vader is focused on more important matters than than the damaged droid Chewie is carrying around, when does Vader have any contact with 3PO? Again, he may have caught a glimpse of him while Han was being frozen, but so what? What was he going to do? "Hey, your voice is familiar! Do I know you? 3PO?! Hey, it's great to see you buddy!" Aside from that scene, Vader never sees or has any contact with C3PO at any time in those movies, so there's no way to know what he thinks about his former creation one way or the other.
and Vader never encounters Threepio anyway in the original trilogy. Any more than he should remember R2-D2 who he spent ALOT more time with in the prequels. Threepio was basically Padme's butler (but that's their lot in life. as servants - as 3PO points out). And 5000 storm troopers don't realise "the droids they're looking for" are right on their doorstep, literally since seen one protocol droid, seen 'em all.
I still remember an electronic Father's Day card with Vader on the front that said, For generations, children have asked, 'Why?'" When you opened the card, it played a clip of Vader saying, "I am your father!"
The "choke on your aspirations" line is cold there's no way its out of character, Anakin had always been the type to crack jokes, now Vader just says them with a badass voice in a badass way while being badass
RE: Vader not remembering C-3PO I can only think of one scene though where Vader and C-3PO actually share a scene and that's in Empire when Han is frozen and in that context Vader is so focussed on just getting Luke he probably doesn't even care about what's on Chewies back. That combined with the fact that, as mentioned in the video, the model of droid 3PO is, isn't exactly unique
There is a comic which ties into that. Boba Fett brings 3PO to Vader after he was blasted by a Stormtrooper on Bespin. Vader has a moment holding his head and having flashbacks of building him with his mother. Then he allows the droid to be sent back to Chewie.
Vader’s humor in the RotS novel: Nute Gunray: “The war is over! Lord Sidious promised -he promised we would be left in peace!” Vader: “His transmission was garbled. He promised you would be left in pieces.”
So wait, there's a theory that Obi-Wan just kind of willed himself into the Force in the instant before Vader's saber struck? Never thought of that before but it makes some kind of sense.
Obi Wan was distracting Vader so that Luke could escape. When he saw Luke lingering he sacrificed himself, so that Luke would leave and save himself. So why bother to dissipate into the force when simply being cut down in a duel would accomplish what he wanted. He knew that he would not beat Vader anyway.
I like that they can keep Vader’s voice going after Jones is gone. I hope he still gets paid though (he almost certainly does) and his estate should get royalties forever.
@@Scar-Predator How does that mean Obiwan was lying? To me it sounds like he was telling the truth.. Vader killed Anakin.. making him gone.. so he was all that remained...
@@Niner091 Obi Wan was talking about it like they were 2 physically different beings. Plus if Vader destroyed Anakin, how would you explain the ending of ROTJ?
Actually canonically Obi-Wan predicted Anakin was going to be the death of him way back in episode 2. When they're chasing the changing before they go in the bar he says to Ani, "Why do I have the feeling that you're going to be the death of me?" "Don't say that Master, you're the closest thing I have to a father."
When the door opened in the banquet hall on Cloud City, revealing Vader, the first time I saw it, I jumped. Caught off guard by one of the most imposing and terrifying villains in cinema history.
I always thought the vanishing of the body was somehow connected to the process of becoming a force ghost so Anakin/Vader should have vanished too. As for Obi Van's death, shouldn't Vader's blow have cut him in half like Obi Van did to Darth Maul had it really hit him? In the movie it looks like the light saber hits an empty robe, not a body. It even seems to push the robe in front of it. Also, Luke and Yoda were not killed by anyone when they vanished so maybe a jedi master strong enough to become a force ghost could also decide exactly when this happens and use the Force to make their physical body vanish, effectively committing a suicide by the Force? This would actually make Vader not vanishing logical as he died of his injuries instead of just deciding to vanish and become a force ghost like the others.
I agree about the empty robe. The robe starts to drop before Vader hits it, and there was nothing that indicated Kenobi was still there. He transformed without actually dying - and for a reason. When Kenobi said "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine," it was during their duel. So if he was killed, his spirit would live on. BUT: when he saw Luke, he knew that to continue fighting would mean Luke would come to his aid - getting Luke killed. So Kenobi chose to quit, transforming himself into a force-ghost (or whatever you call it), thus passing on his own terms and preventing Luke from coming to his aid. It was also a middle finger to Vader, who poked the empty robe with his lightsabre. He was expecting a body (or pieces thereof). When he found nothing, it was clear that Kenobi had transformed BEFORE being killed. So Vader didn't win the duel, nor did Kenobi "lose". He simply quit so that Luke wouldn't throw his own life away. Hardcore fans might disagree with me for whatever reasons, but I always thought that everything about Kenobi's passing was deliberate, and that it showed what a true master of The Force he was. He not only had the ability to make the transformation, but the courage, wisdom and inner peace to do so the moment it was necessary.
That's not how it works. Darth Maul was cut in half but didn't die. Vader struck Obi Wan before he died. Yoda died of old age, becoming one with the Force, while Luke died from the effort his Force projection required. If you paid attention to the dialogue earlier in the film, when Kylo and Rey's Force bond was first shown, Kylo says "You're not doing this the effort would kill you." All 3 died, but not in similar ways. Obi Wan was "struck down" (more like a sort of smack) by Vader, Yoda was 900 years old, and Luke gave up living while embracing his legend to give the galaxy hope again like he did over 30 years ago.
@@StevieB8363 i always viewed it was obi wan knowing he can't beat vader and when he saw luke he knew luke was safe so decided to stop fighting the inevitable.
@@hullmees666 Except Luke wasn't safe. He was heading to the Falcon, then saw Ben fighting Vader - and would have gone to help. Ben sacrificed himself so that Luke would have no reason to stay. (Solo still had to yank his dumb ass to safety.) I disagree that Ben couldn't have beaten Vader. Firstly, he'd already done it once, secondly, he had been Vader's teacher so he knew a lot about him, and thirdly, Ben was older and more in tune with the Force. At best I'd give Vader a 50/50 chance. These are just my personal opinions and I'm not a StarWars nerd, so feel free to disagree.
Watch Empire again. Vader 100% recognized 3P0. He literally stops Boba Fett from taking a shot at Chewie's back. At the time 3P0 had been dismantled by the Ugnaughts on Cloud City and is being worn on Chewbacca's back in a makeshift net bag. Chewie had made minor progress in repairing 3P0 and has his head on, facing behind him.
Number 1 is very similar Han shot first. In the original releases, it is very much unclear who shot first but they cleaned that up proving Han did shoot first and the conversation with Greedo actually should have made that clear in the first place. It's classic cinematography 101, the good guy gets the bad guy talking then the good guy makes his move. That fact is lost on a lot of people. 🤷👍
About number 7. Grand Moff Tartin and Darth Vader none of them outranks the other. We have to skip rank this time and look for Position. Grand Moff Tartin was assigned by the Emperor as the commanding officer of the Death Star, so he is in command. Vader is a V.I.P. Visitor in the Death Star, he he can make suggestions and little else. If Tarkin was outside the Death Star and moved to Vaders flagship then Tarkin would be the visitor and Vader would proof to be in command in this other situation. I hope I made myself clear.
@@andrewmurray1550 OK, do you have any military experience? If you had you should understand my comment. (In reality some garrison can be commanded by a Colonel, if this Colonel receives the visit of a General, this General doesn't take over command over that garrison. Because the Colonel is the legitimate boss there, as he has been assigned there by someone above the mentioned General.) Look, I think you didn't understand a word. Vader is IN COMMAND in his starship. If you analyze carefully Episode IV, when Vader is in the Death Star he's not barking orders at all, because the one in command there was Tarkin and that was the will of the Emperor, and Vader wouldn't go against the will of the Emperor (not yet anyway).
Maybe everyone happened to see some fan-adjustment on TV or something whenever the movie was aired. There's a reason people think the "I am your father" quote was different.
#2 is just foolish. Anakin Skywalker is known to have extremely deep connections, even with droids. Even thinking he wouldn't remember anything from his deeply traumatic childhood is wrong.
Vader can live without his helmet but at the end of RotJ people seem to overlook the fact that he was gravely injured. So by removing his helmet he would have been too weak to sustain his life with the Force. Maybe, in the end, he knew this.
When he Vader said, "We would be honored if you joined us," he didn't mean just dinner. He was making a double entendre where the part of the Rebel crew there would both join him for the dinner AND join the Empire.
I have to say it! The Luke I am your father quote is correct. It was changed over the years. In the original vhs version. This was the case. But there are adaptations of the film over decades and decades. For example when they cgi in Jabba when he talks to Han solo. They've remade the iconic film. It took ages because I got into this exact conversation with some older roomates and we tracked down the multiple versions of the film. It's truly great that everyone really does have there own version of the star wars original trilogy and even newer trilogies growing up. Had to say. It'd not a mistake. It's just an Easter egg from the past.
No, it's not. The original quote from TESB was "No, I am your father." The Jabba scene in ANH was added likely to give people who didn't watch the original version a better understanding who Jabba was when they got to ROTJ.
3PO was obviously like a model car kit that Ani built. Sure you might remember a model you built when you were young, but if you saw one today you wouldn’t assume it’s yours. Before the remasters Vader does say “No, Luke, I am your father”
I don't see why anyone would think Vader's line to Director Krennic was out of character. In TESB we see Vader has a dark, twisted sense of humor when, after he Force-chokes Captain Needa to death for losing the Millennium Falcon, he says, "Apology accepted, Captain Needa." And he does it again when he says to Lando: "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" When Lando replies no, Vader says, "Good, it would be unfortunate if I had to leave a garrison here."
When Princess Leia first encounters Grand Moff Tarkin she said to him "I should have expected you to be holding Vader's leash." This reference tells me. Most people know how much Darth Vader looks up to Tarkin and Tarkin had some control over Vader.
I hate the idea/concept that Vader’s suit is designed to cause him pain because it under cuts the line emperor Palpatine uses at the end of Episode 3. “In your anger you killed her“. This line alone ensures Darth Vader will always be angry and will always be Palpatine‘s puppet. As long as Darth Vader is alive, Darth Vader will always direct his anger at himself and not Palpatine. This also goes along with the idea that Palpatine gave Darth Vader an inferior suit just to teach him to control his new body, not being able to upgrade it for 18 years. This idea completely contradicts Palpatines‘s actions in episode three where he basically leads Anakin into thinking that Palpatine is his only true friend.
No, the scene makes it clear, that Vader failed to land the strike against anything more than empty cloth and was confused regarding where Obiwan had gone.
HIs corpse not vanishing can be atribitured to something simple. Out of universe: the force ghost of Anikin did not exist in the original screening/movies and was added after the prequels came out. In universe: Luke is just burning the armor of Yader to try to prevent characters like Kylo Ren from using it in the future.
agree with the comments that mention how vader didn't just kill anyone who failed. vader (as well as anakin right before the final steps into the dark side) is convinced that he is fighting for a safer and more peaceful galaxy. he wants to achieve, through very dark means, an actual balance. anakin was not wrong that senate was too slow to act when needed. that they were just too comfortable. he hated it as much as (final) vader hates members of the empire who are only after glory and selfish reasons. vader was a very troubled being but doubt it not for 1 second, he had his mind and heart.... as twisted as they were.. on the goal. the man-chine wanted to achieve something "good".. from a certain point of view.
Please, Disney -- Give us the "too dark to be released" original cut of Rogue One. If it's as dark and violent as Vaders boarding of the ship at the end, I will gladly buy you some Tacos. Thank you.
Best Vader quip, ".....the Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
Worst part is he's right. Vader even if he force chokes you to death will just straight up kill you. As we saw when The Emperor uses force lightning on Luke Palpatine likes to torture people and cause them as much pain as possible for fun before killing them. Between the two you'd want to be killed by Vader. It would be cleaner and much quicker.
Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?
@@theonefreeman17 We would be honored if you would join us...
@@jackbits6397 as long as there's No Disintegrations
"I'm altering the deal pray I don't alter it any further"
As always thank you so very much for the video.
This reminds me of a favorite Star Wars quote of mine, from James Earl Jones, outside of the movies:
“A lot of Star Wars fans come up to me and ask me to say ‘Luke, I am your father.’ And I’ll remind them that the quote is actually ‘No, I am your father.’
Then I use the force to choke them within an inch of their life while they weep and beg for forgiveness.
I love my fans.”
~ James Earl Jones
😂
I never thought that the “choke on your aspirations” joke was out of place. It was really menacing as it emphasizes the fact of how much power and cruelty Darth Vader possessed. He was able to torture someone and make a joke out of it to remind the subjects to stay in line.
I actually thought that line was DEFINITELY in character for him considering the original trilogy and the prequels.
It’s so menacing and scary. When I was older a few years later and understand more, I watched most of Star Wars (including the series), and that time I thought it was intentional to put maliciousness and fear in the hearts of people
It was totally in character for Vader. I never thought anything about it,until now.
Best Vadar line ever, "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
I don’t know why people hate so much on this line. The underlying threat behind the joke is so good.
Vader was known for his dark humor. Infact, when first becoming vader he was sent to kill the seperatist council. When he arrived, a nimoidian begged, "Sidious said he would leave us in peace!" to which vader smugly replied, "The message was garbled, he said hed leave you in pieces." Its important that the dark side isnt just killing or being ruthless, but actually enjoying the pain and suffering you inflict.
That is true for the cannon sith. But if you also include the legends sith. Not all of them enjoyed it. For example, I don't think Nihilus got overjoyed with inflicting pain. Being a sith just means leeching off of others. You don't nessacarily have to enjoy it. Although enjoying it was encouraged by sith and the dark side.
@@aidanforman5950 Canon, necessarily.
that was the original script but it got deleted
This channel should make a video covering legends darth vader, just saying
@@aoifebillin314 Then don't!
Vader had a marvelous, if sporadic, sense of Humor! One of my favorite scenes is when he arrives at the second Death Star where the work supervisor tells Vader he's behind because he needs more men, then promises they will redouble their efforts - to which Vader replies "I hope so Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as Forgiving as I am..." I can't stop laughing at that line!
So, when I saw the "choke" joke, it seemed entirely appropriate, especially considering what an insufferable ass Krennic was. Vader had little patience for pompous fools.
Or how he essentially poked Obi-wan's robes with a stick afer their duel on the Death Star.
vader wasn't really joking though. the emporor is far more evil than vader
@@Johnadams20760 Not a joke, more of a sarcastic wisecrack.
@@DarthBludgeon i have seen this over 200 times. i never ever thought he was wisse cracking. or joking. he was warning the guy. ther eis a reason after he said that the dude had a big huge GULP on his face
@@Johnadams20760 In chess, it's regarded as a solid move, when the move accomplishes 2 or 3 things at once. Why couldn't Vader have been doing 2 things at once with his statement - delivering a warning (which he obviously was), AND making a sarcastic wisecrack? I think Vader knows what his personality is, and that Vader knows full well that he is NOT forgiving, AND he knows that his underlings know he's not forgiving. I think Vader wants people to fear him, including his own officers. That's not compatible with being thought of as 'forgiving.' Indeed, the impression is that every imperial officer in the vicinity is terrified of Vader, unless they are outlier officers who are arrogant (the officer that Vader chokes in 'A New Hope,' and Admiral Ozzel whom Vader kills in 'Empire.' Both seem strangely, atypically unafraid of Vader, before he moves on them.)
In an interview George Lucas originally thought of Darth Vader as more of a thug, or hired muscle. He originally thought Tarkin was the one that was evil. Thankfully, George Lucas quickly came to his senses.
This also helps explain princess Leia line, "Gran Moff Tarkin, I expected to see you holding Vader's leash."
Yeah, I'm really not sure how anyone who has actually watched A New Hope could think that Vader outranked Tarkin. Tarkin is repeatedly shown giving Vader orders. It's very clear that he holds the rank.
@@StormhavenGaming At minimum, thinking Vader and Tarkin are on the same rank as one another would make sense.
But Vader just more powerful than Tarkin in combat and stuff, position in the Empire, Tarkin is higher.
@@redace4821 I always thought of Vader in ANH as sort of a non-military asset. And as the video said, he would defer to Tarkin on Tarkin's vessel.
He was the Emperor's right hand man / thug / "problem solver" and sat within the political (and semi-religious) structure of the Empire. Tarkin was senior in the military structure. Neither was superior, they were sort of peers.
@@nickgiovanniit5809 If that were the case, Tarkin would not have been in a position to give him a direct order ("Vader, release him!") that is followed without question. Tarkin has the rank on the Death Star. Vader is only there to find the rebels and give the Death Star a target to blow up. Vader does not even have any military rank and his apparent subordinates are openly contemptuous of him. Vader fills the role of "The Black Knight" in ANH, there to be brutal and intimidating but definitely not the one calling the shots.
One thing some fans seem to believe is that Ani doesn't become Darth Vader until the suit, it's like the missed the whole bit where he become the Sith after Mace went out the Windu. It was Darth Vader that invaded the Jedi Temple, it was Darth Vader that "rewarded" the Separatist Leaders and it was Darth Vader dueling Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar. Of course many Star Wars fans couldn't tell you who Darth Tyranus is either lol 😝
I argue that if we include Clone Wars, there's the presence of character in quite a few scenes. Of course he hasn't been christened as Vader yet but some the mannerisms and overall tone of the character are clear, this is Vader.
Darth tyranus is the legendary count dooku that was “ahead” of anakin after their duel
Agreed on the last point.
I've met many who claim to be Star Wars fan but as soon as I ask either "Who is Qui-Gon Jin master" or "What do you think of Darth Tyrannus"
The first question, alot of people actually forgot Dooku was Qui Gon master, as for the second one, majority casual fan ask "Who?.
Of course, casual, hardcore, toxic, all are fan, though claiming you know alot about Star Wars, you better know a fair bit about it to back up what you said.
@@dawnmcauley6411 The scene when he comes out of the Tuskin tent just after his mom dies and just before slaughtering the whole camp, is when I always thought Vader was born.
Love the “threw mace out of the windu” line😂
In fact, Vader listens to Tarkin mainly because, first, he's an old friend, and second, a planned hunt for Vader earned his respect.
Also because Darth Sideous told him very clearly to never kill Tarkin no matter how angry he was on him.
Not only did James Earl Jones not voice Vader for the Kenobi show, but they actually layered his synthesized voice over Hayden Christensen's actual performance. So really, Hayden deserves a lot of credit for capturing the essence of Vader, portraying his speech patterns and cadence so perfectly that everyone thought Jones had done the voicework.
There are moments when I hear Hayden’s near spot-on performance as James Earl’s portrayal of Vader falter just a bit, but I think it’s intentional. In moments of intense rage, it sounds more like Hayden’s Anakin, before he started using Vader’s pronunciation. Almost like it’s Anakin coming out for just a second, expressing his pain that led him to becoming Vader in the first place.
@@adrianreevers891 Yes! I also loved the Prequel flashback because you could hear just a little bit of Clone Wars Anakin in Hayden's performance. When he says "That's why you're gonna lose!" I almost lost it. It's very much delivered like Matt Lanter, but it feels right coming from Hayden's Anakin too. He somehow blended years of character development from multiple different actors into the same character.
I hadn't realised that, thank you! Now I'll just have to watch it again and this time listen a little more attentively
Actually, James did voice him. Because his voice is so old, his recordings had to be reworked.
Hayden isn't Vader and will NEVER be remembered as Vader. He is Anakin and that's that.
A lot of casual fans are unaware of what the panel on Darth Vader's chest actually does. From left to right, the functions of the buttons on Vader's chest are thusly: Milk, Milk, Lemonade...
No they're 'Bet', 'Max Bet', 'Two Lines', 'Three Lines', and 'Play'. XD
Wait surely the dark side would have some chocolate milk too? I call BS otherwise ..
Which one calls Vader cosplayers’ parents to pick them up???
@@Swiftey-wu2qq agreed
I laughee too hard at this...and now theres fudge..
If a villain can force choke someone from one ship to another he’s cemented in bad ass!!
In the Rvenge of the Sith book, Anakin makes some really dark jokes to the serpatists before he kills them. It was something along the lines of :
Seperatist: We were promised to be rewarded handsomely!
Anakin: You don't find me handsome?
Another big one I am surprised wasn’t mentioned was that everyone was afraid to work for Lord Vader because he killed everyone who worked for him if they failed.
That wasn’t true. He actually commanded a lot of respect and admiration from Stormtroopers and working on Vader’s ships was usually for more decorated officers and personnel (which is one reason why the destruction of the Executor was such a large blow to the Empire after Endor. Some of their best personnel went down with that ship)
Vader didn’t just kill you for failing he hated that many members of the imperial navy made it to high places through bribery or nepotism instead of merit.
Thats one of the reasons Admiral Piett wasn’t killed when the Falcon escaped in episode V even though his failure was devastating to Vader. Piett was overall a very competent officer and Vader respected him for that and therefore didn’t kill him when he did fail.
Also, Vader successfully planted the seed of doubt in Luke's mind, so it was not a complete failure. As far as he was concerned, Luke would come to him eventually.
It's the old jealous or threatened dictator, he got rid of people who getting too close to the top
"Admiral piett,you have failed me for the last time",seems to infer he's failed on more then one occasion and survived
@@Trebor74 You mean Ozzel?
I believe it was specified in "Heir to the Empire" by Timothy Zahn that the Super Star Destroyer Executor, Vader's personal flagship, contained almost every top-quality Imperial officer of each grade in the Imperial Navy.
Captain Pellaeon was actually more upset by the destruction of Executor than the destruction of the second Death Star, because almost every officer who might have been able to rebuild the Empire after the Emperor's, and Vader's, death died alongside him in the Executor when it crashed into the Death Star.
So serving under Vader, whilst dangerous for anyone of limited competence, was a sign of significant ability and far from worrying for anyone who was actually good at their job.
I'll disagree about Kenobi's death. The fact remained that he disappeared from his cloak before the light saber hit him. That's irrefutable. It also explains Vader prodding the clothing with his foot afterward. He didn't hit Kenobi and couldn't understand why or where the body went. I go with the idea that Kenobi voluntarily allowed the Force to absorb him and so did Yoda later in his turn, and Luke later in _his_ turn.
Yup I agree with this as well. Vader didnt kill Obi-Wan.
The fact that Obi-Wan robe is not even cut or undamaged only reinforces this idea even further ...
@@blackmondayy1 Which kinda makes no sense. Even if Obi-Wan willingly left the plane, the cloak was clearly still physically there and in the path of the light saber. I could not have fallen before the saber sliced through it.
So in either scenario, the unburnt cloak is a continuity error.
@@robertbeste You are 100% correct. It is an error. I guess at this point people can belive what they want. Also why only some jedi becames force ghost immediatly after death ( like Obi-Wan, Yoda ) while others like Qui-Gon don´t ?!
@@blackmondayy1 It has been explained plenty of times and it is explained the most in the Clone Wars animated tv show when Yoda travels to learn what Qui-Gon did not fully learn in the last few episodes done by George Lucas.
Vader actually knew Tarkin, as they meet during the close wars when Tarkin was an admiral in the republic. Anakin grew to respect Tarkin and his rather ruthless ways. So his deference to him is most likely also out of respect for Tarkin himself.
Not sure if it's still canon but in the Tarkin novel Tarkin figures out Vader is Anakin but I think keeps it to himself as to not get himself killed.
@@jackbits6397 It is still canon (hade to look it up), so yeah. Makes sence though, considering the relationshop they hade in Clone Wars.
Tarkin was a captain, not an admiral. Yularen was an admiral however.
@@Nghilifa He started out as a captain yes. During the Clone Wars he became an admiral though. Somewhere in between after beeing rescued from the Citadel and the whole Renown incident. And shortly after the fall of the Republic, he became Grand Moff.
But this was not a fact when the original trilogy came out.
Vader can make dad jokes because he is a dad, even if he doesn't know it. It makes perfect sense.
But he did know, if he didn't know, he would not have said to Luke that he is his father.
@@FriesianKiwi66 I mean he didn't know in Rogue One... or did he?
@@FriesianKiwi66 Remember, *he thought Padme died*
He wasn't aware of Luke and Leia. I presume that yes, at some point, he was informed, but he wouldn't have been able to know at first
@@hazeltree7738 in a canon comic, specifically a Darth Vader comic, revealed that some time in between ANH and TESB, Vader hired Boba Fett to track down and bring him Luke or "the boy who destroyed the Death Star", with Boba ultimately failing to do so, but gave Vader a piece of vital info: Boba got his last name, Skywalker, and told this to Vader, who severely cracked the windows of the bridge of the ISD he was on, with Vader saying Skywalker.
@@Scar-Predator Ahh okay, thanks for telling me :)
The Vader/Tarkin part is missing a few details. In Canon At the time of ANH Vader was nothing more than a servant of the Emperor at the time of ANH he carried little military authority, so yes Tarkin had higher authority, it wasn’t until after the destruction of the Death Star that Palpatine publicly named Vader as a direct extension of himself and and order from would be a direct order of the Emperor himself therefore giving him near limitless Military Authority
Oh, I thought he was demoted after the death Star exploded
@@JOCoStudio1 you are correct I forgot about that! Palpatine punished him for the Death Star by putting General Tagge in charge of him until Vader killed him, THEN everything I mentioned happened….I think
@@Arkham_Prisoner Ah yes, the old 'kill your boss' promotion strategy. Ingrained in all Sith
Wouldn’t say he outranked him, ranked about the same. he only became higher when tarkin died
I sense some people who need to read the comics...
As many times as I've heard your send-offs I never tire of the uplifting encouragement you give the viewers. My hat off to you, sir. Well done. 👍
"...you'll struggle to find a more misquoted move one liner..."
Counterpoint: "You have to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel Lucky?' Well do ya, punk?" getting condensed to "Do you feel lucky, punk?"
Something interesting to me, I just finished listening to the radio drama of the Empire strikes back, and that one actually uses the misquote. In the radio drama, Vader says “no Luke, I am your father”.
george was also known for going back to movies to change small details for example that sentence is what he changed on release he said no luke im ur father and later changed it to no im ur father
The Marvel Comics adaptation of the film also says "no Luke, I am your father."
vader also just respects tarkin a lot. they met all the way back during the clone wars, and anakin had always admired tarkin's willingness of the idea of victory at all costs, even if it means breaking the rules.
None of that was written in 1977. You can't judge what's going on in the original movies based on stuff that was written decades later.
@@Dr_Do-Little To be fair, what was written in 1977 was Vader is "Lord" and Tarkin is "Grand Moff", the former being a noble title and the later being militaristic. Tarkin had complete seniority in matters that concerned the Death Star. So while Tarkin doesn't necessarily outrank Vader, it does make sense, even if that is just a coincidence it fits with later lore.
I read a book one time about Darth Vader(I have no idea if is considered canon or legends). This book goes through events in Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader’s life and is actually all from Skywalker/Vader’s point of view. When the book gets to where Darth Vader arrives on the Death Star in A New Hope, it mentions that the Emperor ordered Vader to obey Tarkin while on the Death Star, and in a thought Vader “says” that is the only reason he obey the Grand Moff’s orders.
Ya, that book is "The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader". It is legend though.
This part is chapter 15, when Vader is force-choking Motti for making fun of him and the force. Tarkin tells Vader to release him, and Vader only obeys him since "it was the Emperor's command that he serve Tarkin on the Death Star.
well due to disney sucking big giant ballzac all non disney books aren't cannon any more because hans mofo name is han solo and not some bullsht name some jakoff imperial gave him n yes i am sooo pissed bout that just like solo shot first.
There’s some great lines in the episode III novel that were cut from the movie that Vader said, like to Nute Gunray… Nute Gunray says ‘Lord Sidious promised us Peace!’ and Vader responds with something like ‘No he promised you pieces.’ and then quickly slices him up. That scene is full of Vader saying puns if I remember correctly.
I don't think anything in the novel was "cut" from the movie, I am pretty sure the novel came after the movie, from the movie, and just has some stuff added.
@@johnpalmer4425 the novel version came out over a month before the movie did, and is based on the prefinal version of the script. So, yes, it was "cut".
@@johnpalmer4425 pretty sure the original cut was intended to be like 4h. a lot of content was left out of the movie. probably a lot of it was never filmed but the scripts were there.
Sounds like Darth Arnold.
1:28 In "The Rise And Fall Of Darth Vader" it says that he recognised C-3PO when he saw him at Cloud City, and wanted him destroyed, but later when Chewbacca takes him back, he remembers something Shmi told Anakin, and gives C-3PO back to Chewy. The book is Legend, so this isn't confirmed, but I thought it was cool.
You're right, I forgot about that novel it was good. Besides, C3PO was his wife's servant druid, how the hell would he forget who he was.
Its confirmed canon in the newer Vader comics. They show him holding C-3PO’s head and remembering. Which is why he gave the body parts back to Chewy.
About the "Luke, I am your father' misquote-- yes it's incorrect, but in the 'real' world, it's probably a more useful reference. Adding Luke to the line makes it more self-contained, and more obviously pertaining to Star Wars. I'm guessing a lot of fans have used it, even knowing it's a paraphrase.
What vader means with no is about when luke tells him that he kills luke father
Another thing to think about with Vader and C3PO is Vader may have been able to recognize him. Thing is he may just not have cared at that point. Like you also mentioned he really believed he’d killed off the Anakin part of himself so although he may have still had those memories he tried to suppress them. He also really was only around 3PO as Vader for a short period while he was more preoccupied with other things. In that moment 3PO wouldn’t have been a very worthwhile priority on his mind.
He probably would've recognized his voice..
@@matt_kyote97 possibly! That’s my point whatever the reason I’d be willing to bet Vader likely did recognize C3PO he likely just chose not to do anything about it. In cloud city with what he was there to do, what value would it serve Vader to say anything to 3PO or anyone else that he recognized him?
he actually does canonically comic wise
I thought Vader did recognize C3PO. When Chewbacca started attacking when they were about to freeze Han in ESB, did Vader not stop Boba Fett from shooting because Chewbacca had C3PO strapped on his back?
Vader actually does remember C-3PO. In the new comics, when Han and company are captured at Cloud City, C-3PO was sent to be destroyed. But Vader goes into the room and has a moment while holding C-3PO’a head, reminiscing. Its then he allows C-3PO’s body to go back to the the rebels.
Vader actually does remember C-3PO. In the new comics, when Han and company are captured at Cloud City, C-3PO was sent to be destroyed. But Vader goes into the room and has a moment while holding C-3PO’a head, reminiscing. Its then he allows C-3PO’s body to go back to the the rebels.
You're right - but even if this video is only counting canon, Vader never sees C-3PO in the movies. The only time they share a scene is when 3PO is strapped to Chewbacca's back in the carbon chamber, so Vader doesn't actually have an opportunity to recognise him physically.
No, Chewbacca found C3PO when he was being junked, by the little pig guys, and he saved his parts. The comics are just Star Wars flutter.
My grandma doesn't knew the name, when I got the black series Kenobi Vader, but she asked me, "is this I am your father" and made the breathing sound. She didn't knew the name but got the quote right. 🤣
Like how you don't speak English?
@@garrethutchington1663 that was your take away from their comment? You do realize that people around the world speak more than one language, right?
For shame...
@@WraithWriter i see you're a member of the "get offended on other people's behalf" club.
@@garrethutchington1663 nah... But I can tell you're a member of "Let's make asinine comments club."
GFY
@@WraithWriter you're the head of it, right after you :P
Vader's helmet and the 'But you'll die' is one of those things where people forget that Vader just took to full brunt of Palpatine's force lightning to pitch the monstrous Sith lord over the railing to his death. Taking Vader's helmet and mask off certainly will eventually kill him, after he tires out from using the force. But at those times he's usually in a LOT better shape.
And of course, Vader follows Luke's concern about dying up with a simple line: "Nothing... Can stop that now."
In the comics produced by Dark Horse Vader does come across C-3PO after he was shot in Cloud City. He has a brief flashback causing him to mourn hus fallen friend before the Ugnauts attempt to melt him down.
Didn't happen
@@TheSebiestor it did in that comic. It was an actual thing.
#2 Does he ever actually have any screen time with 3PO in the original trilogy? Threepio leaves the ship before Vadar arrives. He then is in the background of the scenes on death star but Vadar only confronts Obi Wan and was too busy too notice the others till Obi Wan was dead, even then he probably only noticed Luke. In Empire threepio is in pieces by the time Vadar arrives at Bespin and the only possible time they may have been together was when Han was put into carbonite.. I think he was on Chewies back at the time. Lastly in ROTJ Vadar only meets Luke on Endor and then they both leave to the Death Star. I may be wrong but #2 on your list doesn't actually seem like it ever happened at all.
Finally!!! I have been waiting for this for so long... thank goodness someone finally did this. Every darth vader fan should watch this, I have met so many which have fallen victim to these ridiculous misconceptions, even those who follow the comics. This is a very good list too, thanks for keeping the canon!
Also, plz touch the dumb medical stuff in another video.
As for killing Obi-Wan, he gave himself up to the Force in order to become one with the Force, just like Yoda and Luke did. Vader's lightsaber never touched Obi-Wan in A New Hope.
That is also why funeral pyres were the acceptable way to dispose of a Jedi's body. They don't automatically become Force ghosts during the time of the Republic. At the end of Revenge of the Sith, Yoda informs Obi-Wan that Qui Gon came backs a Force ghost after learning how to do so. Qui Gon taught Yoda, who taught Obi-Wan, who taught Luke.
but that doesn't make sense since it is Qui-gonn's ghost that shows up on Tatooine to teach Ben a few things about haunting your friends once you become a ghost, and show up on some ice planet in the middle of nowhere to convince your friend's son to go to some backwater planet to learn the ways of the force, from "Grogu, Senior"..
Yet who taught Kylo Ren?
It is confirmed that vader actually kill Kenobi. Obi-Wan just disappear in the exact moment of the death
6:21 I just thought they were burning his suit as a representation of the empire's farewell.
If you bought a vehicle today, then lost it in 5 years, would you assume that every vehicle of that design you see for the next 20-30 years is your missing vehicle? No you wouldn't, same reason Vader wouldn't assume every protocol droid he sees is his old one
I did know some of that. But it's nice to have it all together. And the bit about him having killed Anikan does put a stronger spin on No, I am your father.
On the part where he can live without his helmet, you're right he can. As you said he focus his rage and stays alive, but at the end of return of the jedi, Vader has no more hate left in him.
You can see it vanish after kenobi died.(and the new kenobi show kinda confirms all his hatred was directed towards kenobi.) So he would probably die soon after removing the helmet at the end of the movie because he was at peace once again.
The light side of the Force can sustain you as well. As demonstrated in the champions of the force book. However, he just gave up at the end. So you could almost call it Suicide.
You’re farewell message at the end of this was exactly what I needed. Had a shot week.
Respeecher used Hayden's performance to generate the AI version of Jones... so for all intents and purposes, Hayden performed the lines.
I remember from Rebel Assault II the cinematic just before the last or second to last level has Vader saying, "You have failed me for the last time," as he force chokes the admiral, and once he falls down dead, he leans down towards the body and adds, "You will not have the opportunity to do so again."
To truly be a Sith, you cannot simply cause injury to others; you must add insult as well.
5:00 is a really good point! He’s always had the punny gallows humor
Though this story is often told in fan circles the casual viewer may not know that, as far as everyone on set knew, the most famous twist in movie history was going to be "Obi-Wan killed your father". George Lucas knew that Vader being Luke's father would change everything so he took advantage of the fact it would be recorded in post to hide the truth. Mark Hamill was told at the last minute; though his lines didn't change he needed to react to what David Prowse (Vader's physical actor) was doing rather than what he was saying. There's a funny interview with Mark from the Graham Norton Show where he tells the story of having to keep the secret for over a year, and Harrison Ford's response at the premiere.
Correction, Vader IS THE MOST well known villain in movie history, to this day. According to google
8:25 George Lucas himself said in an interview with Leonard Maltin that Obi Wan joined the force half a second before Darth Vader’s lightsaber could hit him. Obi Wan was not killed or even injured by Vader, just as Luke was never killed by Ben. 👍😉
This is a genuinely good example, of a novice idea, that was adapted over many years, by many different writers, patching different lore's together, and hoping for the best. Lucas throwing pasta against the wall to see what sticks.
I feel like the only time Vader makes a joke, is when he's inflicting pain or death.
I'll allow it
The funny thing about that so-called "Why doesn't Vader remember C3PO?" plot hole is, there's no way to know one way or the other whether he remembers him or not in the Original Trilogy. Other than a few brief moments in the carbon freeze chamber in which Vader is focused on more important matters than than the damaged droid Chewie is carrying around, when does Vader have any contact with 3PO? Again, he may have caught a glimpse of him while Han was being frozen, but so what? What was he going to do? "Hey, your voice is familiar! Do I know you? 3PO?! Hey, it's great to see you buddy!" Aside from that scene, Vader never sees or has any contact with C3PO at any time in those movies, so there's no way to know what he thinks about his former creation one way or the other.
and Vader never encounters Threepio anyway in the original trilogy. Any more than he should remember R2-D2 who he spent ALOT more time with in the prequels. Threepio was basically Padme's butler (but that's their lot in life. as servants - as 3PO points out). And 5000 storm troopers don't realise "the droids they're looking for" are right on their doorstep, literally since seen one protocol droid, seen 'em all.
I still remember an electronic Father's Day card with Vader on the front that said, For generations, children have asked, 'Why?'" When you opened the card, it played a clip of Vader saying, "I am your father!"
vader had a lot of respect for tarkin going all the way back to the clone wars. He looked up to him because he thought he was brilliant.
The "choke on your aspirations" line is cold there's no way its out of character, Anakin had always been the type to crack jokes, now Vader just says them with a badass voice in a badass way while being badass
RE: Vader not remembering C-3PO
I can only think of one scene though where Vader and C-3PO actually share a scene and that's in Empire when Han is frozen and in that context Vader is so focussed on just getting Luke he probably doesn't even care about what's on Chewies back. That combined with the fact that, as mentioned in the video, the model of droid 3PO is, isn't exactly unique
There is a comic which ties into that. Boba Fett brings 3PO to Vader after he was blasted by a Stormtrooper on Bespin. Vader has a moment holding his head and having flashbacks of building him with his mother. Then he allows the droid to be sent back to Chewie.
@@ColvyMolvy That comic is part of canon right?
Vader’s humor in the RotS novel:
Nute Gunray: “The war is over! Lord Sidious promised -he promised we would be left in peace!”
Vader: “His transmission was garbled. He promised you would be left in pieces.”
So wait, there's a theory that Obi-Wan just kind of willed himself into the Force in the instant before Vader's saber struck? Never thought of that before but it makes some kind of sense.
Obi Wan was distracting Vader so that Luke could escape. When he saw Luke lingering he sacrificed himself, so that Luke would leave and save himself. So why bother to dissipate into the force when simply being cut down in a duel would accomplish what he wanted. He knew that he would not beat Vader anyway.
I like that they can keep Vader’s voice going after Jones is gone. I hope he still gets paid though (he almost certainly does) and his estate should get royalties forever.
Technically since Vader told Obi-Wan on his show that he killed him. So Obi-Wan didn't really lie to Luke when he told him Vader killed his father.
Vader/Anakin said: "Anakin is gone. I'm what remains." too so technically Obi Wan was still lying.
@@Scar-Predator How does that mean Obiwan was lying? To me it sounds like he was telling the truth.. Vader killed Anakin.. making him gone.. so he was all that remained...
@@Niner091 Obi Wan was talking about it like they were 2 physically different beings. Plus if Vader destroyed Anakin, how would you explain the ending of ROTJ?
@@Niner091 but it wasn't....so they were both lying. Anakin "came back".
Tarkin should have also escaped the Death Star. I would have loved to see Peter Cushing return for 'The Empire Strikes Back.'
Actually canonically Obi-Wan predicted Anakin was going to be the death of him way back in episode 2. When they're chasing the changing before they go in the bar he says to Ani, "Why do I have the feeling that you're going to be the death of me?" "Don't say that Master, you're the closest thing I have to a father."
It was an attempt at comedy
Hahaha! A little retroactive foreshadowing maybe.
When the door opened in the banquet hall on Cloud City, revealing Vader, the first time I saw it, I jumped. Caught off guard by one of the most imposing and terrifying villains in cinema history.
I always thought the vanishing of the body was somehow connected to the process of becoming a force ghost so Anakin/Vader should have vanished too.
As for Obi Van's death, shouldn't Vader's blow have cut him in half like Obi Van did to Darth Maul had it really hit him? In the movie it looks like the light saber hits an empty robe, not a body. It even seems to push the robe in front of it.
Also, Luke and Yoda were not killed by anyone when they vanished so maybe a jedi master strong enough to become a force ghost could also decide exactly when this happens and use the Force to make their physical body vanish, effectively committing a suicide by the Force?
This would actually make Vader not vanishing logical as he died of his injuries instead of just deciding to vanish and become a force ghost like the others.
I agree about the empty robe. The robe starts to drop before Vader hits it, and there was nothing that indicated Kenobi was still there. He transformed without actually dying - and for a reason.
When Kenobi said "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine," it was during their duel. So if he was killed, his spirit would live on. BUT: when he saw Luke, he knew that to continue fighting would mean Luke would come to his aid - getting Luke killed. So Kenobi chose to quit, transforming himself into a force-ghost (or whatever you call it), thus passing on his own terms and preventing Luke from coming to his aid. It was also a middle finger to Vader, who poked the empty robe with his lightsabre. He was expecting a body (or pieces thereof). When he found nothing, it was clear that Kenobi had transformed BEFORE being killed. So Vader didn't win the duel, nor did Kenobi "lose". He simply quit so that Luke wouldn't throw his own life away.
Hardcore fans might disagree with me for whatever reasons, but I always thought that everything about Kenobi's passing was deliberate, and that it showed what a true master of The Force he was. He not only had the ability to make the transformation, but the courage, wisdom and inner peace to do so the moment it was necessary.
That's not how it works. Darth Maul was cut in half but didn't die. Vader struck Obi Wan before he died. Yoda died of old age, becoming one with the Force, while Luke died from the effort his Force projection required. If you paid attention to the dialogue earlier in the film, when Kylo and Rey's Force bond was first shown, Kylo says "You're not doing this the effort would kill you." All 3 died, but not in similar ways. Obi Wan was "struck down" (more like a sort of smack) by Vader, Yoda was 900 years old, and Luke gave up living while embracing his legend to give the galaxy hope again like he did over 30 years ago.
@@StevieB8363 i always viewed it was obi wan knowing he can't beat vader and when he saw luke he knew luke was safe so decided to stop fighting the inevitable.
@@hullmees666 Except Luke wasn't safe. He was heading to the Falcon, then saw Ben fighting Vader - and would have gone to help. Ben sacrificed himself so that Luke would have no reason to stay. (Solo still had to yank his dumb ass to safety.)
I disagree that Ben couldn't have beaten Vader. Firstly, he'd already done it once, secondly, he had been Vader's teacher so he knew a lot about him, and thirdly, Ben was older and more in tune with the Force. At best I'd give Vader a 50/50 chance.
These are just my personal opinions and I'm not a StarWars nerd, so feel free to disagree.
Watch Empire again. Vader 100% recognized 3P0. He literally stops Boba Fett from taking a shot at Chewie's back. At the time 3P0 had been dismantled by the Ugnaughts on Cloud City and is being worn on Chewbacca's back in a makeshift net bag. Chewie had made minor progress in repairing 3P0 and has his head on, facing behind him.
Vader stopped Boba Fett from shooting Chewbacca in TESB. Why? Because C-3PO was strapped to Chewy's back. He remembered.
That and wookie fur is notoriously hard to get cleaned up. Now imagine you are clad in all black....
@@BSOBN showering for days
Another great presentation, Jules!! Great video and Happy New Year!! :D
Darth vader is awesome.
In a comic, Vader actually does recognize C-3PO and is the one who in “The Empire Strikes Back” orders his scrapping at Cloud City.
Number 1 is very similar Han shot first. In the original releases, it is very much unclear who shot first but they cleaned that up proving Han did shoot first and the conversation with Greedo actually should have made that clear in the first place. It's classic cinematography 101, the good guy gets the bad guy talking then the good guy makes his move. That fact is lost on a lot of people. 🤷👍
In the original original Star Wars (before anyone called it A New Hope) Greedo didn't shoot. That was what made Han Solo cool from the outset
IDK who thinks Vader isn't quippy? He was cracking dark 1 liners in almost every scene 30 years before the marvel cinematic universe.
About number 7. Grand Moff Tartin and Darth Vader none of them outranks the other. We have to skip rank this time and look for Position. Grand Moff Tartin was assigned by the Emperor as the commanding officer of the Death Star, so he is in command. Vader is a V.I.P. Visitor in the Death Star, he he can make suggestions and little else. If Tarkin was outside the Death Star and moved to Vaders flagship then Tarkin would be the visitor and Vader would proof to be in command in this other situation. I hope I made myself clear.
then why is Vader basically running the ship and barking orders every 2 seconds. Vader answers to the Emperor not to Tarkin.
@@andrewmurray1550 OK, do you have any military experience? If you had you should understand my comment. (In reality some garrison can be commanded by a Colonel, if this Colonel receives the visit of a General, this General doesn't take over command over that garrison. Because the Colonel is the legitimate boss there, as he has been assigned there by someone above the mentioned General.) Look, I think you didn't understand a word. Vader is IN COMMAND in his starship. If you analyze carefully Episode IV, when Vader is in the Death Star he's not barking orders at all, because the one in command there was Tarkin and that was the will of the Emperor, and Vader wouldn't go against the will of the Emperor (not yet anyway).
Maybe everyone happened to see some fan-adjustment on TV or something whenever the movie was aired. There's a reason people think the "I am your father" quote was different.
#2 is just foolish. Anakin Skywalker is known to have extremely deep connections, even with droids. Even thinking he wouldn't remember anything from his deeply traumatic childhood is wrong.
Vader can live without his helmet but at the end of RotJ people seem to overlook the fact that he was gravely injured. So by removing his helmet he would have been too weak to sustain his life with the Force. Maybe, in the end, he knew this.
At that point he had let go of his hatred, which would have also likely limited his ability to sustain himself.
@@Sirhc_B8207 Good point
His memories of his childhood and heartbreaks are literally what feed his rage. He’s lost no memories 🫠
6:39 is perhaps the most fascinating to me... "re-speecher" is just awesome.
5:22WHAT!!?? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE FORCE CHOKED? OUT OF CHARACTER!? THAT SHIT WAS FUNNY. I LAUGHED.
When your manager's name is "Grand Moff" or "The Moff" and he enjoys blowing up planets just for fun.
How ironic, James Earl Jones voice replaced by Machine Learning. Now Vader is truly more machine than man!
next Disney'll use an animatronic Vader and no Hayden in the suit at all.
He admired Tarkin in a few of the Clone Wars episodes they got along pretty good before he became Vader
In fact, one canonical comic shows Vader encountering the dismembered C3PO and allowing Chewbacca to reassemble his old friend.
When he Vader said, "We would be honored if you joined us," he didn't mean just dinner. He was making a double entendre where the part of the Rebel crew there would both join him for the dinner AND join the Empire.
These are clips from the very original films! Look carefully at 2:02. Both of C3P0's legs are brass/gold colored!
I really appreciated the big-up at the end. Thanks James :D Right back atcha :)
I have to say it! The Luke I am your father quote is correct. It was changed over the years. In the original vhs version. This was the case. But there are adaptations of the film over decades and decades. For example when they cgi in Jabba when he talks to Han solo. They've remade the iconic film. It took ages because I got into this exact conversation with some older roomates and we tracked down the multiple versions of the film. It's truly great that everyone really does have there own version of the star wars original trilogy and even newer trilogies growing up. Had to say. It'd not a mistake. It's just an Easter egg from the past.
No, it's not. The original quote from TESB was "No, I am your father." The Jabba scene in ANH was added likely to give people who didn't watch the original version a better understanding who Jabba was when they got to ROTJ.
Bullshit, it has always been "No, I am your father.".
2:14 where was that from
there was only 1 fact i didn't know, i wasn't aware he could survive without his helmet for an extended amount of time but everything else i did know
i knew all of these, then again i’ve always been obsessed with star wars lore.
3PO was obviously like a model car kit that Ani built.
Sure you might remember a model you built when you were young, but if you saw one today you wouldn’t assume it’s yours.
Before the remasters Vader does say “No, Luke, I am your father”
"Vader is more machine now than man" - well, certainly his voice is. ^^
and the "new" Luke (Mando, and Book of Boba) was created by a machine - now that's more perverse than Threepio's opinon of machines building machines.
I don't see why anyone would think Vader's line to Director Krennic was out of character. In TESB we see Vader has a dark, twisted sense of humor when, after he Force-chokes Captain Needa to death for losing the Millennium Falcon, he says, "Apology accepted, Captain Needa." And he does it again when he says to Lando: "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" When Lando replies no, Vader says, "Good, it would be unfortunate if I had to leave a garrison here."
just thinking about this now - they immerged Luke in to a Bacta tank to heal him - what restorative properties does that have for surface burns?
In a comic Dath Vader is reunited with C3PO he remembered all the happy times with his mother so he returned him
Anikin hadn't skinned 3P0 before leaving him behind on Tattoine. He'd have no reason to recognize him.
When Princess Leia first encounters Grand Moff Tarkin she said to him "I should have expected you to be holding Vader's leash." This reference tells me. Most people know how much Darth Vader looks up to Tarkin and Tarkin had some control over Vader.
I hate the idea/concept that Vader’s suit is designed to cause him pain because it under cuts the line emperor Palpatine uses at the end of Episode 3. “In your anger you killed her“. This line alone ensures Darth Vader will always be angry and will always be Palpatine‘s puppet. As long as Darth Vader is alive, Darth Vader will always direct his anger at himself and not Palpatine.
This also goes along with the idea that Palpatine gave Darth Vader an inferior suit just to teach him to control his new body, not being able to upgrade it for 18 years. This idea completely contradicts Palpatines‘s actions in episode three where he basically leads Anakin into thinking that Palpatine is his only true friend.
No, the scene makes it clear, that Vader failed to land the strike against anything more than empty cloth and was confused regarding where Obiwan had gone.
Always great to hear from Jules and to hear his kind words at the end of his videos =)
dude just with the title i melt down while laughin on my couch. i bought the serie and i had the same ''What The '' haha hello from Québec :)
This should be in a list of 10 Things WhatCulture assumes everyone gets wrong when not everyone gets it wrong.
HIs corpse not vanishing can be atribitured to something simple.
Out of universe: the force ghost of Anikin did not exist in the original screening/movies and was added after the prequels came out.
In universe: Luke is just burning the armor of Yader to try to prevent characters like Kylo Ren from using it in the future.
agree with the comments that mention how vader didn't just kill anyone who failed. vader (as well as anakin right before the final steps into the dark side) is convinced that he is fighting for a safer and more peaceful galaxy. he wants to achieve, through very dark means, an actual balance. anakin was not wrong that senate was too slow to act when needed. that they were just too comfortable. he hated it as much as (final) vader hates members of the empire who are only after glory and selfish reasons. vader was a very troubled being but doubt it not for 1 second, he had his mind and heart.... as twisted as they were.. on the goal. the man-chine wanted to achieve something "good".. from a certain point of view.
Please, Disney -- Give us the "too dark to be released" original cut of Rogue One. If it's as dark and violent as Vaders boarding of the ship at the end, I will gladly buy you some Tacos.
Thank you.
Please, Disney - - Give us George Lucas’ cut of The Rise Of Skywalker.
Nope, you got Number 4 slightly wrong. Vader hated Tarkin with a passion and had to be ordered by the emperor to work with the man.