What would YOU do with 8♦ 8♣ on the river? Your Stack (BB): $4,600 Their Stack (CO): $2,820 Pot: $390 Board: 8♠ 3♠ 2♣ 4♠ A♣ A) Check, Fold/Call/Raise to … ? B) Bet $100 (small) C) Bet $250 (medium) D) Bet $400 (big)
Also, Jonathan please don’t stop being yourself and “rambling” in these types of videos. It’s always informative and usually pretty funny with the GIFs and little added nuggets you include. Thanks so much for the video and everything you do for poker!!
All things considered, 24 minutes is probably 8+ minutes over a sweet-spot that TH-cam viewers prefer. I guess if you've got nothing better to do...but 24 minutes is 2.5% of your waking day.
100 percent this. Any time Jonathan goes on a rant, there is a 100 percent chance I’m writing down the scenarios and thoughts to make sure it’s incorporated into my game. And it’s DEFINITELY made me equity I wouldn’t have realized otherwise!
Very good analysis. I hope Brad is watching. Having watched a good number of Brad's vlogs and his quick speaking play by play analysis I recollect times when I would think - "wait a minute Brad - not sure of that assumption". He deserves credit for being decisive on assessing a player's range preflop but each street's action deserves updating logic. Brad also deserves much credit for his humility in presenting his not so well played hands alongside his well played hands.
Jonathan, we're here to listen to you ramble about poker! We all have a passion for the game to even be watching videos like these, thanks again for producing content and sharing your poker knowledge
Jonathan I love it when you are loquacious in your videos. We get to hear what’s going on in that shrewd mind of yours. The longer you talk, the more we are instilled with wisdom. Thanks for the videos Jonathan!
Not sure if the out of action was an angle or just being happy he made the straight. But that was part of the problem we had with the Plexiglass dividers, harder to hear action, and glared line of sight! With that said, I can see Brad then letting him bet out of turn, and trying to get greater value out of him with the check raise. When the opponent only mumbles something, again the issues with the dividers, but turns his cards up without putting calling chips forward, Brad does ask what the action is before he tables his hand, protecting Brads hand. With all that said, I would have also probably just called the opponent's bet on the river since there was still the possibility my hand was beat, but Brads winning record is higher than mine, and I'm just a much lower stakes recreational player.
Love the rambling. There’s so many things that go on in your rambles that I wouldn’t have even begun to consider if you didn’t ramble, so ramble longer!!
Many players (including myself) tried to narrow down opponents ranges were just wishful thinking. Especially true when we had a monster on the flop and the board texture changed dramatically on the turn and river.
Love it when the nice guys in poker tell you about the dark sides. Keep em coming J Man. We would never let em cancel you as long as you keep telling it straight like you do.
It's not necessarily the "dark side", it's the side that most recreational players are just not used to or aware of. I've done some things that some might consider an angle, but are attempts to get a reaction from the villain or just maybe take a little extra time to rehash the hand. Also, heads up, you can talk about each other's hands (maybe not in a tournament). So I will start to discuss what I think the other player has out loud, again to elicit a reaction. And some recreational players have accused me of angling in that case. Also, heads up, turning over your hand while you decide can get a reaction as well. It's perfectly in the bounds of rules in a cash game, again not a tournament, and I suggest trying it once or twice. I will almost always be calling or raising when I do this, because I am usually doing it against a marginal hand.
Bro i dont know many recreational players playing 5 10 20 lol easy fold at 1/2 maybe, but awesome raise at 5/10/20 in My opinion cuz that (easy fold mindset) that your talking about is exactly why a bluff like that would be so succesful so nice play by brad going for the raise.. but honestly the betting out of turn followed by the wierd call by throwing ur cards in the middle seems like a proffesional angle shooter why call that way after tanking pretty wierd ive seen plenty of people fold that way too. So idk
I think it's perfectly fine to manipulate your opponents with comments and false tells. I remember in a tourny, loose UTG limps, loose bluffy UTG+2 raises, I 3 bet JJ from HJ. It folds to BB, he tanks and then asks "You have a big A?" I don't respond, but then realize he probably has a weak A that I would rather not have in the hand, so I give him a shit eating grin like he found me out. He folds and UTG goes all in, I tanked and thought, he thinks I have a big unpaired A, so he could be moving with any pair, so I called and he had 55. Two interesting results from one gesture.
I like a medium (70-80% pot) bet from Brad on the river. If opponent rivered 2 pair (A-2, A-3, A-4), it’s possible they could make the call there. Previous action makes sense if villain has the ace of spades and calls the turn with a marginal hand/junk with a low pair, which based on info in this video seems possible up to this point based on Brad’s read that villain isn’t a great player. We can also get value from lower sets, but those hands probably would bet flop for thin value and protection against a draw. I don’t think opponent has A-x with a Broadway card unless they have the propensity to make a really loose call on the turn. It also makes an easy decision for us if we get raised on the river, as opponent almost always has a flush in this case. It’s possible they could make a river raise with a 5 in their hand, but previous action doesn’t make sense (unlikely to have 4-5, 5-6, pocket 5s definitely possible, A-5 also possible given the action), but we’re losing to a straight anyway, and if opponent really wants to make river raises with a straight on this board texture, seems like lighting money on fire to me in the long run. I really don’t like check calling here because opponent could go for fat value with a 75% to full pot bet and make life miserable for us. I’m excited to see what the opponent actually has here, as I’m writing this comment when Jonathan dropped a pop quiz on the river!
I've been watching a lot of poker videos since moving to Vegas.. I personally think your 'rambling' is pretty on point... Most players/coaches over analyze.. I feel you are bringing in relevant tangents that help explain your perspective very well.. Ramble away!
I think check, looking to check call makes the most sense, the Ace is a good bluff card for V if you check to him and he basically never has a flush, depending on V's sizing you can check to check-raise as well
Btw, unless you skipped ahead, technically the opponent could have taken back his 300$, since brad only said I didn't check then put out 1k$ chips, the proper thing to do would have been for brad to officially annouce check so the 300$ bet from opponent is confirmed and then proceed to check raise if he chose too, the way the hand went down it's basically like brad is changing the action by betting 1k himself ( not a raise) therefor opponent can take back his 300$ and decide if he calls or fold to the 1k bet
I would bet medium, because I expect some aces to have called the turn and I don't want them to fold to a big overbet. If villain jams, I want to fold (at least at my live 1/3 game, they always have it when they raise big on the river). Checking is worse because they don't bet with as many hands as they call.
LOVE the rambling, I learn the most sometimes when you go off on a tanget. So much of the math is awesome but the stuff on live reads or little tips like have singlehandedly made me so much money at the low stakes games
I was the dealer in a tournament when this situation came up. Guy (in the 1 seat right next to me) facing a large River bet grunts and tosses his cards face up forward. I grab his cards and stuff them in the muck. Mayhem ensues. “Dealer, WHAT are you doing!?!” Eventually, the floor settles things by asking the guy if he intended to call without any sort of penalty for exposing his cards with “action pending”. His straight was good but if his opponent was arguing strongly that it’s a call, my money says he lost to a flush and would refuse to pay. Sitting in the dealer box, it looks like an angle shoot to me. He sees the first split second reaction of the bettor and decides if he’s going to claim he was folding or calling. If the bettor rolls over the flush with a smile, the angler claims he folded face up, after all, why would he call such a large bet with three spades on the board? If the bettor looks disappointed, the angler argues he was calling because he made his straight on the River. I think this “Angle Shot” is frequently attempted in cash games (and often allowed) but should result in a penalty in a tournament.
Before the hand was revealed I thought the most likely hand as played was 55. I wonder why Brad ruled out a 5. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s interesting that given the same action we came up with totally different reads 🤔
it's interesting, if you can range yr opp really well here a raise to 1000 is esp nice IF said opp won't 3 bet without better than a 5. assuming opp has enough value bets of 300 size on river that don't beat set of 8's that call with enough of them when raised to 1000.
hahaha, that IS what happened, dude just called with a 5 but not 65. that's great for this raise if he is also calling with enough hands the set of eights beat, however, if the delay on knowing whether he called or folded means he almost folded the 55's, then bad raise. as LOTS of the out of position leading river for 300 into 390 would be folding to the 1000 raise. so the calls would mostly run into a 5 or a super weirdly (nitty) played set.
Okay, the recursion at 15:45 was arguably the greatest single twist of any TH-cam video I've ever seen. Pure genius- was that you Jon, or some above-the-rim video producer?
Brad checking the flop is a total mistake in my opinion. If I’m playing against a splashy player and he raised me pre and I flop top set, money is going into that pot immediately-I’m not going to check and try to trap a guy who regularly trips and falls by his own feet. Also, the out of turn $300 bet is so telling of a rec player and it would have been an easy check call for me. I don’t have the nuts and I beat way too many hands he could have.
Betting like $300 on the river seems good to try to get a call from any A+spade hands that called turn and now improved. Check raising seems too thin but if this opponent is the type to value bet a hand like AJ and is sticky enough, then perhaps it's good.
Spot on analysis. I remember gasping when Brad put in the x/r on the river. Especially your part about "Don't remove hands from your opponent's range so blithely." Obviously your "bet out of turn that's obviously not an angle is strong l" point was dead on. Great video in every respect but the recursion was still the highlight.
@@joshoowa A thing that makes Brad so popular is his willingness to put his foils out there like that. We learn the most from our mistakes. Humility is the essence of learning. The most popular media personalities are the ones that come across as humble, vulnerable and honest.
Hi, thanks for a brilliant video. Finally a Pro who states clearly the dangers of narrowing an Amateur opponents range! I’m pretty sure I would have Check called the river, folding to a shove, following pretty much your line of thought. An out of turn bet must mean either super excited or super sad! Great video!
Quiz Q1 - Its going to be player dependent. Against a passive opponent like this, I'd like to check raise to 2.5x their bet or pot, which ever is greater. Based on the opponents play, they don't have 99+. Unless they hit the Ace on the river for a pair, they aren't putting any more money into this pot. Other pocket pairs like 44 to 77 are folding to a river bet and are checking back to get to show down. If they did hit the Ace, then they will bet the river and for 2.5x raise, they are just going to call a check raise.
I'm checking here and only calling depending on the villain's bet size. A small bet will be snap called. Any value, 60-80% of pot will be almost snap fold. If the villain decides to overbet the pot, this is where things would get dicey. I would have to rely very heavily on history, and only call if I feel the villain would bluff jam this board; which I'm sure many would.
Maybe I’m wrong here but I look at poker different and look at what my opponent would do with their hand then mine since I have best hand on flop, you said you would always check in this situation that’s where I think you are wrong, Already 2 spades on board I’m betting pot to scare most hand away and maybe get some money from chasers, possibly looking to jam on turn possibly I know people like to slow play but not with that board I don’t think.
Brad says that the guy had 3 outs - He had 8 outs -any six or any ace. Flopping sets or two pair is more dangerous then most players realize. IF he bets big on the flop, when he is ahead, the opponent most likely will fold with pocket 5's. It is hard to get a very loose player to fold with any kind of a draw. I play poker about 30 hours a week at a casino, so, I see this a lot. Having said that though, I have seen maniacs that never fold anything above A-2. The player was just excited that he hit a winning hand. Being the player that Brad is, he should have figured it out-maybe he did figure it and just could not fold a set. I was at a table once and during a hand an old guy looked at his cards and said "I have to make sure I have what I think I have." I knew instantly that he had a straight flush. Even players that are not novices, give tells like this sometimes. I am of the opinion that if I flop top set, I don't want my opponent(s) to see anymore cards so I bet big. You cannot give the opponent a cheap or free card. Novice or recreational players tend to take more chances.
The last bit, is "Jeff: 'He said he called'." If Jeff is the dealer, than no angle was made at the end. The dealer said that he said that he called, so he therefore called.
I would have pot raised on the flop and tried to take the pot down before anyone had a chance at hitting the flush personally. On the river now you have to be worried about AA and A5, 56s any 5 and a flush. I probably make a small bet like 1/4 pot to see where i am at. We may get jammed on but again i would have not let it get this far ideally by pot raising the flop but that's just me.
In this spot with the lack of aggression from my caller post flop, but with the aggression preflop, I am inclining to put my opponent on either high cards that missed, an ace holding, and the hands that are beating me are pocket fives, ace 5, and any suited connectors spades... I doubt they have the spades because of the lack of aggression to try and take down the pot. With all of that, I would bet medium sized on the river for value, about 200, and possibly fold to a reraise especially if the opponent is straight forward and doesn't have a bluffing/overplaying history.
Hey Jonathan I wanted to get your advice on a hand I recently played after watching a lot of your videos which helped me a lot btw. So it's a strange hand there were 5 people in the hand preflop, no three bets I had king jack of diamonds suited in the cutoff. So with a lot of ppl in the flop I told myself I need to flop the nuts here to feel comfortable with all these people in the hand. Flop comes 9h 10d qh. So I flop the nuts. After watching your video I decided to get value with it right away knowing 5 ppl in the hand I'm going to get some action. So I lead out and bet about third of the pot. I get 3 betted and then 4 betted by the button. So instead of just calling and letting the hearts get there. I'm not worried about pocket queens or tens because of no three bet. Maybe pocket nines or ace queen I was thinking. So I ripped it all in and got called by pocket nines which surprised me not that he called with what is the 4th nuts, because I've done it before and lost set vs set but this time I have the nuts on the flop trying to get max value knowing that my opponent is strong. And before I can blink my eye the queen comes on turn filling him up and knocking me out! I just wanted your thoughts on this hand. Did I play too aggressive? Should have I slowed down? Mind you even if slow down and the board pairs I have trouble laying down what was the nuts on the flop turning into the 4th nuts on turn giving him I believe the 3rd nuts if I'm thinking right. I'm happy the way I played it myself, I mean I'm a 64 percent favorite to beat him on the flop which is better than a coin flip close to a 3 to 1 favorite there. Just wanted to get your thoughts being that you have played at the highest levels and have had a lot of success with taking down titles. Thanks for any feedback!
Good point about that last audio action. With masks and windows, it's hard to determine what others are saying. It's less impactful at lower stakes but makes much more sense at higher stakes.
Assessing the situation on how the Hand went preflop It's unlikely that the opponent has a flush or a 5 in their hand. They might have an Ace X holding. So after taking all that and how the betting and checking went I would do a bet around $175 small to medium as a pot control blocker value bet.
What to do is entirely dependent on our bad opponent. I would check every time versus a player like me, because your LAGgy opponent should be betting almost their entire range and this hand is fine for a bluff-catch. Our opponent made loads of top pair on the river, does our opponent overplay top pair on a wet boad? Do they get frightened by the wet board?
I am super on the call/fold option when he bets out of turn on the river, too many draws that got there on that board. I would usually bet that amount from the opponent, but when he instant puts it in, I am closer to the fold than the call. I am in a very big live downswing, so never listen to me.
Notice at the end how Brad says "he hit one of 3 outs that got him the hand"? That's just pure ignorance. The guy was on an open ender. He had 8 outs, not 3, Brad. Also, I can't quite see if that guy had the 5 of clubs or spades but if it's a spade then the guy actually had 15 TOTAL OUTS! Brad always downplays his stupidity when he messes up.
He bet out of turn because he was excited. Absolutely love your videos Jonathan. I have just started my Poker journey, have been playing since I was a kid for fun and am now just getting serious at 28 yrs with a wife and 2 kids. My Goal is to put 2 hours a day in of study consistently not because I have to but because I love improvement. I want to be the best poker player in New Zealand! Unfortunately at the moment I don't have enough to join the poker coaching program but I will get there.
I remember being newer to a home game. I have played there before, but never a tournament with multiple tables and tournament style chips. I recall a few times I bet big and did not intend to. On the side tables, it was dimly lit and 2 denominations of chips looked very similar in color. I still wonder to this day if they thought I was trying to angle lol.
Always checking in this particular spot. Mainly due to the fact that with the opponent checking back the flop indicating that he is weighted more to a value esk hand or an air ball. Turn is a very wet card and with Brad leading the turn and the opponent calling, I would say that the opponent is more than likely going to have a nutted combo draw like Ace X with the Ace of spades or maybe Ace King with the King of spades since he did check back the flop both options are viable to be considered in his range. That being said those are just a couple of combos that we are beating with 88 on this river. And while it may seem very tempting to try and get some thin value with this particular hand I do think it's a mistake to lead the river even though it does seem very likely that he has an Ace but if so then that ace is going to be specifically the Ace of spades so flushes are more likely A5 also has you gutted. So I believe that implementing a check call line on this run out is correct for all of those reasons and you also give them the option to blast off as well.
i can think of a couple times that similar has happened to me ... once the dealer just assumed that i checked because i remained silent ... but true to form, another player at the table who was NOT EVEN IN THE HAND, decided to open his mouth thereby ruining the scenario ... so frustrating when that happens !!!
Hey Jonathan, I wouldn't have ruled out 55 especially since Brad didn't bet the flop. The other guy might have folded is Brad did bet the flop. Just my $.02
I think when he acts out of turn I think it is a fold because low stacks really don’t do huge bluffs like this. I didn’t see what he showed but my guess was 55 Maybe a bluff with holding the A ♠️ or maybe even A ♠️ with any 5 . I can see calling here but the raise makes no sense you only get sets to call . A 3, A 2, A 4, A 8, A K with a ♠️ all fold so there is no reason .
honestly i'd check looking to check/fold - I said from the start if anyone was interested in this pot they either had A/5 or a flush draw worse case scenario A/5 suited spades and they made a flush and a straight to beat my to seal my 8's in a coffin I wouldn't want to put more money in the pot and would try to make it to showdown as cheaply as possible
Agree. Trying to think of what SOMEONE would call a turn bet with I'm either putting them on two big spades, pocket 5's, or 5x suited. I think I'd rule out the latter as he raised pretty early (if I remember right), so I'm going with one of the other two hands. Since the 3rd space came out, AND the straight hits the two hands I'm putting my opponent on before the river It's a safe check/fold. So what if I got bluffed out of a pot. There are two many instances where this thing happens and you lose more in the long run than what you would profit by making a hero call. Now add on the top that my opponent bets out of turn and (going by Brad's evaluation of the player) bets out of turn makes me throw up a huge red flag.
The first of all, I do not like to check on the flop because 2 spades at there. The second, I checked and called it on the river or just folded because the opponent has betted $300 out of the turn. That is my opinion.
Been doing awsome at 1 2 nl in Melbourne FL @club 52. Ran with your format and I went from rare minor wins and punting when I should walk to being profitable 📈😅.
I would bet small looking to induce a bluff from missed spades or an over-value raise from Aces up. Occasionally the villain will raise and win with a random 5 or flush (or AA? Lol) but I think we need to go for some thin value and simultaneously induce some bluffs.
The run out is kinda terrible - 3 flush, 4 to a straight.... I think the set of 8s has turned into a bluff catcher... or maybe he'd bet with 2 pairs...I think check call as a bluff catcher... Also - a word on the straddle. I preferred the button straddle - being in late position I should be defending the button as much as some defend the big blind... I find that having the straddle in the pot got me playing more from the button... What do you think of a button straddle?
Straddle = setting money on fire. Your logic makes no sense. Just look at your cards and raise/3 bet more (as suggested by JL) when on button. Position is important, but just because you got the button, that J3o ain't any better.
Betting out of turn isn't an angle. By definition. CO has 65 or 75 or 45 but they're red, that's why he played so passive, he was drawing kind of thin.
I'm betting about 150 as a blocker but also something that looks like I'm trying to get value. If you get raised that's almost never a bluff there. You could get missed Ax flush draws to call or a hand like A3 or A4 suited.
I'm checking on the river and then calling or folding depending on the player's bet, although I admit that I would be a weak player in Brad's game. Now, his having pocket 5s makes should definitely be in his range. Raising pre-flop in the CO with any pair is reasonable. His check-back on the flop with a small pair and under-pair to the board is probably not a good play, but given that he's identified as weak, his check-back makes sense. Also, being a weak player, he may check a straight or flush draw. The dude's call on the turn makes sense, and I believe pocket pairs and draws are high on his range. His call also makes sense because Brad is representing a decent holding given that he called a raise from the BB, and Brad led the turn. On the river, I agree that the player's betting out of turn for 75% of the pot is due to his excitement. I would've folded, giving him credit for the straight. (One of my leaks, however, is giving my opponent too much credit, and I over-fold.)
If your opp. bets 300 out of turn here can you just bet say 151 and his 300 is an automatic call and he can't raise? Assuming you must raise 100% of course.
See now why I dont slow-play very often? If you bet the flop, then bet BIG on the turn, is a guy gonna call with a straight draw with a flush possibility on the board? I think not. Worse case scenario he has a flush, and you got only 10 outs
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 You obviously dont understand the law of the suck-out. Go right ahead and try to check your way to glory. It won't work. People love players like you
Bet $400. Cut off raised pre-flop. He wont have a 5. But does he have AA - maybe . The flush? Possible AT spade -but I think my 8s are good . He only bet big on the River when the A came out
I also did found it very difficult to hear things said with the plexiglass and masks both in use. He was definitely correct in asking for a clarification.
In cases where you are the Caller on the River, opponent says "you got it" but doesn't muck. What do you do? I sometimes just ask for the pot. I've definitely had them table the winner, or muck.
@@PokerCoaching Me too. It's on them to show it or muck it, I paid to see their cards. Yet, I'll never encourage or force anyone to show if they're willing to muck. Waiting is better than saying anything. But if they're obviously unwilling to muck, and are just trying to get me to show first, I'll say "show it or muck it" to the player, or "let me know when it's my turn to show" to the dealer. NEVER show out of turn if a player has a death grip on his cards and is ready to muck if I show a winner or slam-table them if I show a loser. It's surprising how strong some hands are which players will pretend they "thought" were a loser when you only called, when they just want to see your cards. Even the second nuts. Really? Why would someone not raise the river with the nuts? Mistake-wise, I've seen people think they're bluffing the river due to forgetting their hole cards, or think they have the nuts due to forgetting their hole cards. Or due to misreading the board, or simply not knowing which 5 cards play. You just never know. I've even mucked the nuts one time when a friend showing the 9th nuts triggered my brain to say "good hand" and put my cards in the air to the muck. I realized the mistake with the cards mid-air. One time, at 20-40 LHE, on a 45xxx (let's say 45KQJ) board, I had 23s in the BB against an extremely strong player who had limped, but was the most consistent winner at Foxwoods 20-40 over a period of years, now decades. I called $40 on the river solely to see his cards. I was shocked when he mucked and said "I didn't think you had anything, I missed my straight draw." So, he almost surely had 76, though I guess it's possible he also had 23 and gave up only a chop.
What would YOU do with 8♦ 8♣ on the river?
Your Stack (BB): $4,600
Their Stack (CO): $2,820
Pot: $390
Board: 8♠ 3♠ 2♣ 4♠ A♣
A) Check, Fold/Call/Raise to … ?
B) Bet $100 (small)
C) Bet $250 (medium)
D) Bet $400 (big)
check-call
I'd check looking to check call.
Bet/fold a medium amount. There is a good chance they have Ax and will call a value bet but if they raise they probably have a flush or straight.
Check call
check call
Also, Jonathan please don’t stop being yourself and “rambling” in these types of videos. It’s always informative and usually pretty funny with the GIFs and little added nuggets you include. Thanks so much for the video and everything you do for poker!!
You're very welcome.
All things considered, 24 minutes is probably 8+ minutes over a sweet-spot that TH-cam viewers prefer. I guess if you've got nothing better to do...but 24 minutes is 2.5% of your waking day.
100 percent this. Any time Jonathan goes on a rant, there is a 100 percent chance I’m writing down the scenarios and thoughts to make sure it’s incorporated into my game. And it’s DEFINITELY made me equity I wouldn’t have realized otherwise!
Very good analysis. I hope Brad is watching. Having watched a good number of Brad's vlogs and his quick speaking play by play analysis I recollect times when I would think - "wait a minute Brad - not sure of that assumption". He deserves credit for being decisive on assessing a player's range preflop but each street's action deserves updating logic. Brad also deserves much credit for his humility in presenting his not so well played hands alongside his well played hands.
Jonathan, we're here to listen to you ramble about poker! We all have a passion for the game to even be watching videos like these, thanks again for producing content and sharing your poker knowledge
Jonathan I love it when you are loquacious in your videos. We get to hear what’s going on in that shrewd mind of yours. The longer you talk, the more we are instilled with wisdom. Thanks for the videos Jonathan!
I like the "rambling," and so did everyone else who watched to the end, regardless of what they say.
I like the rambling, Jonathan. Sometimes I learn more from the rambling than the hand analysis.
Your intro and how you broke down straddling and some sound alternatives is what made me sub. Will be checking out your other outlets as well!
Glad you liked it!
The rambling is great. One of my favorite parts of the channel. Thanks for the great video!
Not sure if the out of action was an angle or just being happy he made the straight. But that was part of the problem we had with the Plexiglass dividers, harder to hear action, and glared line of sight! With that said, I can see Brad then letting him bet out of turn, and trying to get greater value out of him with the check raise. When the opponent only mumbles something, again the issues with the dividers, but turns his cards up without putting calling chips forward, Brad does ask what the action is before he tables his hand, protecting Brads hand.
With all that said, I would have also probably just called the opponent's bet on the river since there was still the possibility my hand was beat, but Brads winning record is higher than mine, and I'm just a much lower stakes recreational player.
Love the rambling. There’s so many things that go on in your rambles that I wouldn’t have even begun to consider if you didn’t ramble, so ramble longer!!
Awesome, thank you!
Many players (including myself) tried to narrow down opponents ranges were just wishful thinking. Especially true when we had a monster on the flop and the board texture changed dramatically on the turn and river.
Love it when the nice guys in poker tell you about the dark sides. Keep em coming J Man. We would never let em cancel you as long as you keep telling it straight like you do.
It's not necessarily the "dark side", it's the side that most recreational players are just not used to or aware of. I've done some things that some might consider an angle, but are attempts to get a reaction from the villain or just maybe take a little extra time to rehash the hand. Also, heads up, you can talk about each other's hands (maybe not in a tournament). So I will start to discuss what I think the other player has out loud, again to elicit a reaction. And some recreational players have accused me of angling in that case. Also, heads up, turning over your hand while you decide can get a reaction as well. It's perfectly in the bounds of rules in a cash game, again not a tournament, and I suggest trying it once or twice. I will almost always be calling or raising when I do this, because I am usually doing it against a marginal hand.
Pocket 5's seems pretty obvious to me in this spot, a recreational player isn't betting pot out of turn with just a rivered two pair.
Bro i dont know many recreational players playing 5 10 20 lol easy fold at 1/2 maybe, but awesome raise at 5/10/20 in My opinion cuz that (easy fold mindset) that your talking about is exactly why a bluff like that would be so succesful so nice play by brad going for the raise.. but honestly the betting out of turn followed by the wierd call by throwing ur cards in the middle seems like a proffesional angle shooter why call that way after tanking pretty wierd ive seen plenty of people fold that way too. So idk
Why would 5's check the flop?
@@johnperez4682 because they're disappointed they didn't get a set. A pro would bet 90%, and that they are not.☺️
I think it's perfectly fine to manipulate your opponents with comments and false tells. I remember in a tourny, loose UTG limps, loose bluffy UTG+2 raises, I 3 bet JJ from HJ. It folds to BB, he tanks and then asks "You have a big A?" I don't respond, but then realize he probably has a weak A that I would rather not have in the hand, so I give him a shit eating grin like he found me out. He folds and UTG goes all in, I tanked and thought, he thinks I have a big unpaired A, so he could be moving with any pair, so I called and he had 55. Two interesting results from one gesture.
Your intro was not a "Digress" and absolutely worth mentioning. Thanks again!
Keep rambling, it is akin to actual internal thoughts, which in poker, are extremely informative. Love the content!
Thanks, will do!
Check and evaluate. Probably check call depending on size.
I like a medium (70-80% pot) bet from Brad on the river. If opponent rivered 2 pair (A-2, A-3, A-4), it’s possible they could make the call there. Previous action makes sense if villain has the ace of spades and calls the turn with a marginal hand/junk with a low pair, which based on info in this video seems possible up to this point based on Brad’s read that villain isn’t a great player. We can also get value from lower sets, but those hands probably would bet flop for thin value and protection against a draw. I don’t think opponent has A-x with a Broadway card unless they have the propensity to make a really loose call on the turn.
It also makes an easy decision for us if we get raised on the river, as opponent almost always has a flush in this case. It’s possible they could make a river raise with a 5 in their hand, but previous action doesn’t make sense (unlikely to have 4-5, 5-6, pocket 5s definitely possible, A-5 also possible given the action), but we’re losing to a straight anyway, and if opponent really wants to make river raises with a straight on this board texture, seems like lighting money on fire to me in the long run.
I really don’t like check calling here because opponent could go for fat value with a 75% to full pot bet and make life miserable for us. I’m excited to see what the opponent actually has here, as I’m writing this comment when Jonathan dropped a pop quiz on the river!
Ramble is great, feels like a natural conversation
What about places that allow button straddle? Is it good to always button straddle when others don't?
Not necessarily. I think it is only good when super deep stacked.
I loved your commentary near the end on how to stay quiet when villain bets out of turn
Sure!
Love the rambling. Helps me understand the thought process and possibilities to consider in each scenario.
I've been watching a lot of poker videos since moving to Vegas.. I personally think your 'rambling' is pretty on point... Most players/coaches over analyze.. I feel you are bringing in relevant tangents that help explain your perspective very well.. Ramble away!
Thanks!
It's criminal you have as few subs as you do. Great breakdown of this hand!
Thanks, and Thanks!
Jonathan, I like this type format from you. Very interesting analysis and entertaining also.
Glad you enjoy it!
I think check, looking to check call makes the most sense, the Ace is a good bluff card for V if you check to him and he basically never has a flush, depending on V's sizing you can check to check-raise as well
Jonathan Why do you say he may have 8-5 suited when there is only one 5 left in the deck?
Btw, unless you skipped ahead, technically the opponent could have taken back his 300$, since brad only said I didn't check then put out 1k$ chips, the proper thing to do would have been for brad to officially annouce check so the 300$ bet from opponent is confirmed and then proceed to check raise if he chose too, the way the hand went down it's basically like brad is changing the action by betting 1k himself ( not a raise) therefor opponent can take back his 300$ and decide if he calls or fold to the 1k bet
I would bet medium, because I expect some aces to have called the turn and I don't want them to fold to a big overbet. If villain jams, I want to fold (at least at my live 1/3 game, they always have it when they raise big on the river). Checking is worse because they don't bet with as many hands as they call.
Your vids are solid and enjoyable. Keep it up buddy
check depends on bet size aboutbthe call
LOVE the rambling, I learn the most sometimes when you go off on a tanget. So much of the math is awesome but the stuff on live reads or little tips like have singlehandedly made me so much money at the low stakes games
Glad you enjoy it!
22% less rambling is sweet spot.
I was the dealer in a tournament when this situation came up. Guy (in the 1 seat right next to me) facing a large River bet grunts and tosses his cards face up forward. I grab his cards and stuff them in the muck. Mayhem ensues. “Dealer, WHAT are you doing!?!” Eventually, the floor settles things by asking the guy if he intended to call without any sort of penalty for exposing his cards with “action pending”. His straight was good but if his opponent was arguing strongly that it’s a call, my money says he lost to a flush and would refuse to pay. Sitting in the dealer box, it looks like an angle shoot to me. He sees the first split second reaction of the bettor and decides if he’s going to claim he was folding or calling. If the bettor rolls over the flush with a smile, the angler claims he folded face up, after all, why would he call such a large bet with three spades on the board? If the bettor looks disappointed, the angler argues he was calling because he made his straight on the River. I think this “Angle Shot” is frequently attempted in cash games (and often allowed) but should result in a penalty in a tournament.
Jonathan what do you think about button straddling?
Probably not great unless you are super deep stacked.
Before the hand was revealed I thought the most likely hand as played was 55. I wonder why Brad ruled out a 5. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s interesting that given the same action we came up with totally different reads 🤔
Love the rambling, all relevant, all appreciated
guess before seeing end of hand, A2 suited or 55's (im at the part where you said not likely 55's).
it's interesting, if you can range yr opp really well here a raise to 1000 is esp nice IF said opp won't 3 bet without better than a 5. assuming opp has enough value bets of 300 size on river that don't beat set of 8's that call with enough of them when raised to 1000.
hahaha, that IS what happened, dude just called with a 5 but not 65. that's great for this raise if he is also calling with enough hands the set of eights beat, however, if the delay on knowing whether he called or folded means he almost folded the 55's, then bad raise. as LOTS of the out of position leading river for 300 into 390 would be folding to the 1000 raise. so the calls would mostly run into a 5 or a super weirdly (nitty) played set.
Okay, the recursion at 15:45 was arguably the greatest single twist of any TH-cam video I've ever seen. Pure genius- was that you Jon, or some above-the-rim video producer?
The editor always gets all the credit!
That was pretty sweet.
Love the rambling! It adds value.
Love brad so much, best attitude, best dude… at least on camera. I wish I had John little going over my hands.fun
D - bet large
Brad checking the flop is a total mistake in my opinion. If I’m playing against a splashy player and he raised me pre and I flop top set, money is going into that pot immediately-I’m not going to check and try to trap a guy who regularly trips and falls by his own feet.
Also, the out of turn $300 bet is so telling of a rec player and it would have been an easy check call for me. I don’t have the nuts and I beat way too many hands he could have.
Nah I love the rambling, it’s good content and sometimes you give me new perspective.
Betting like $300 on the river seems good to try to get a call from any A+spade hands that called turn and now improved. Check raising seems too thin but if this opponent is the type to value bet a hand like AJ and is sticky enough, then perhaps it's good.
Check call, I would fold to an allin bet since it's risking way too much for the pot odds but would call 2 or 3x the pot.
Spot on analysis. I remember gasping when Brad put in the x/r on the river. Especially your part about "Don't remove hands from your opponent's range so blithely."
Obviously your "bet out of turn that's obviously not an angle is strong l" point was dead on.
Great video in every respect but the recursion was still the highlight.
My eyes rolled to the back of my head when he check/raised. Couldn't believe it. Expected better from Brad (not sure why).
@@joshoowa A thing that makes Brad so popular is his willingness to put his foils out there like that. We learn the most from our mistakes. Humility is the essence of learning. The most popular media personalities are the ones that come across as humble, vulnerable and honest.
That IQ Quiz thumbnail is 'money'... Props to the designer. Well Done! 6:27 Anyone know that font??
Email support@pokercoaching.com and we may be able to find it.
Hi, thanks for a brilliant video. Finally a Pro who states clearly the dangers of narrowing an Amateur opponents range! I’m pretty sure I would have Check called the river, folding to a shove, following pretty much your line of thought. An out of turn bet must mean either super excited or super sad! Great video!
*JL* : "When you are playing live-poker you are allowed to speak."
*Jamie Gold*
: "Wait.. what??"
Quiz Q1 - Its going to be player dependent. Against a passive opponent like this, I'd like to check raise to 2.5x their bet or pot, which ever is greater. Based on the opponents play, they don't have 99+. Unless they hit the Ace on the river for a pair, they aren't putting any more money into this pot. Other pocket pairs like 44 to 77 are folding to a river bet and are checking back to get to show down. If they did hit the Ace, then they will bet the river and for 2.5x raise, they are just going to call a check raise.
Check call, but, I was doing that before the out of turn bet 😞
I'm checking here and only calling depending on the villain's bet size. A small bet will be snap called. Any value, 60-80% of pot will be almost snap fold. If the villain decides to overbet the pot, this is where things would get dicey. I would have to rely very heavily on history, and only call if I feel the villain would bluff jam this board; which I'm sure many would.
Maybe I’m wrong here but I look at poker different and look at what my opponent would do with their hand then mine since I have best hand on flop, you said you would always check in this situation that’s where I think you are wrong, Already 2 spades on board I’m betting pot to scare most hand away and maybe get some money from chasers, possibly looking to jam on turn possibly I know people like to slow play but not with that board I don’t think.
What is your opinion on Button straddling? How does it change the game? Can you make a video on it?
It completely screws the blinds, making for a super boring game. Maybe I will make a video about it one day.
Brad says that the guy had 3 outs - He had 8 outs -any six or any ace. Flopping sets or two pair is more dangerous then most players realize. IF he bets big on the flop, when he is ahead, the opponent most likely will fold with pocket 5's. It is hard to get a very loose player to fold with any kind of a draw. I play poker about 30 hours a week at a casino, so, I see this a lot. Having said that though, I have seen maniacs that never fold anything above A-2. The player was just excited that he hit a winning hand. Being the player that Brad is, he should have figured it out-maybe he did figure it and just could not fold a set.
I was at a table once and during a hand an old guy looked at his cards and said "I have to make sure I have what I think I have." I knew instantly that he had a straight flush.
Even players that are not novices, give tells like this sometimes.
I am of the opinion that if I flop top set, I don't want my opponent(s) to see anymore cards so I bet big. You cannot give the opponent a cheap or free card. Novice or recreational players tend to take more chances.
The last bit, is "Jeff: 'He said he called'." If Jeff is the dealer, than no angle was made at the end. The dealer said that he said that he called, so he therefore called.
I would have pot raised on the flop and tried to take the pot down before anyone had a chance at hitting the flush personally. On the river now you have to be worried about AA and A5, 56s any 5 and a flush. I probably make a small bet like 1/4 pot to see where i am at. We may get jammed on but again i would have not let it get this far ideally by pot raising the flop but that's just me.
In this spot with the lack of aggression from my caller post flop, but with the aggression preflop, I am inclining to put my opponent on either high cards that missed, an ace holding, and the hands that are beating me are pocket fives, ace 5, and any suited connectors spades... I doubt they have the spades because of the lack of aggression to try and take down the pot. With all of that, I would bet medium sized on the river for value, about 200, and possibly fold to a reraise especially if the opponent is straight forward and doesn't have a bluffing/overplaying history.
i only clicked on this video because Brad Owen was in the thumbnail, but I learned alot thanks! You just earned yourself a new subscriber.
Welcome aboard!
Hey Jonathan I wanted to get your advice on a hand I recently played after watching a lot of your videos which helped me a lot btw. So it's a strange hand there were 5 people in the hand preflop, no three bets I had king jack of diamonds suited in the cutoff. So with a lot of ppl in the flop I told myself I need to flop the nuts here to feel comfortable with all these people in the hand. Flop comes 9h 10d qh. So I flop the nuts. After watching your video I decided to get value with it right away knowing 5 ppl in the hand I'm going to get some action. So I lead out and bet about third of the pot. I get 3 betted and then 4 betted by the button. So instead of just calling and letting the hearts get there. I'm not worried about pocket queens or tens because of no three bet. Maybe pocket nines or ace queen I was thinking. So I ripped it all in and got called by pocket nines which surprised me not that he called with what is the 4th nuts, because I've done it before and lost set vs set but this time I have the nuts on the flop trying to get max value knowing that my opponent is strong. And before I can blink my eye the queen comes on turn filling him up and knocking me out! I just wanted your thoughts on this hand. Did I play too aggressive? Should have I slowed down? Mind you even if slow down and the board pairs I have trouble laying down what was the nuts on the flop turning into the 4th nuts on turn giving him I believe the 3rd nuts if I'm thinking right. I'm happy the way I played it myself, I mean I'm a 64 percent favorite to beat him on the flop which is better than a coin flip close to a 3 to 1 favorite there. Just wanted to get your thoughts being that you have played at the highest levels and have had a lot of success with taking down titles. Thanks for any feedback!
I would bet larger on the flop due to the opponents' excellent range connectivity. I am not sure why you are unhappy getting all-in as the favorite.
Good point about that last audio action. With masks and windows, it's hard to determine what others are saying. It's less impactful at lower stakes but makes much more sense at higher stakes.
Assessing the situation on how the Hand went preflop It's unlikely that the opponent has a flush or a 5 in their hand. They might have an Ace X holding. So after taking all that and how the betting and checking went I would do a bet around $175 small to medium as a pot control blocker value bet.
What to do is entirely dependent on our bad opponent.
I would check every time versus a player like me, because your LAGgy opponent should be betting almost their entire range and this hand is fine for a bluff-catch.
Our opponent made loads of top pair on the river, does our opponent overplay top pair on a wet boad? Do they get frightened by the wet board?
before you said it easily is true for live poker (esp lower stakes than this) the actually accidental out of position lead out is nervous happy.
easily almost always true i mean.
I am super on the call/fold option when he bets out of turn on the river, too many draws that got there on that board. I would usually bet that amount from the opponent, but when he instant puts it in, I am closer to the fold than the call. I am in a very big live downswing, so never listen to me.
I learn so much from you, thank-you.
You're welcome, Ian!
Checking to raise or bet small to induce
Paused. A. I would check/call and only fold to a bet a good bit higher than the pot or an all in.
Wow, that raise at the end was painful. Brad needs to take some lessons from ya.
Notice at the end how Brad says "he hit one of 3 outs that got him the hand"? That's just pure ignorance. The guy was on an open ender. He had 8 outs, not 3, Brad. Also, I can't quite see if that guy had the 5 of clubs or spades but if it's a spade then the guy actually had 15 TOTAL OUTS! Brad always downplays his stupidity when he messes up.
He bet out of turn because he was excited. Absolutely love your videos Jonathan. I have just started my Poker journey, have been playing since I was a kid for fun and am now just getting serious at 28 yrs with a wife and 2 kids. My Goal is to put 2 hours a day in of study consistently not because I have to but because I love improvement. I want to be the best poker player in New Zealand! Unfortunately at the moment I don't have enough to join the poker coaching program but I will get there.
Or put out a small value bet and call if he raised unless he jams all-in.
I remember being newer to a home game. I have played there before, but never a tournament with multiple tables and tournament style chips. I recall a few times I bet big and did not intend to. On the side tables, it was dimly lit and 2 denominations of chips looked very similar in color. I still wonder to this day if they thought I was trying to angle lol.
Be yourself. You are entertaining and informative.
Always checking in this particular spot. Mainly due to the fact that with the opponent checking back the flop indicating that he is weighted more to a value esk hand or an air ball. Turn is a very wet card and with Brad leading the turn and the opponent calling, I would say that the opponent is more than likely going to have a nutted combo draw like Ace X with the Ace of spades or maybe Ace King with the King of spades since he did check back the flop both options are viable to be considered in his range. That being said those are just a couple of combos that we are beating with 88 on this river. And while it may seem very tempting to try and get some thin value with this particular hand I do think it's a mistake to lead the river even though it does seem very likely that he has an Ace but if so then that ace is going to be specifically the Ace of spades so flushes are more likely A5 also has you gutted. So I believe that implementing a check call line on this run out is correct for all of those reasons and you also give them the option to blast off as well.
I would check/ call or raise depending on what my opponent does. I don't know. There could possibly be a fold in there too
i can think of a couple times that similar has happened to me ... once the dealer just assumed that i checked because i remained silent ... but true to form, another player at the table who was NOT EVEN IN THE HAND, decided to open his mouth thereby ruining the scenario ... so frustrating when that happens !!!
Hey Jonathan, I wouldn't have ruled out 55 especially since Brad didn't bet the flop. The other guy might have folded is Brad did bet the flop. Just my $.02
I think when he acts out of turn I think it is a fold because low stacks really don’t do huge bluffs like this. I didn’t see what he showed but my guess was 55
Maybe a bluff with holding the A ♠️ or maybe even A ♠️ with any 5 . I can see calling here but the raise makes no sense you only get sets to call .
A 3, A 2, A 4, A 8, A K with a ♠️ all fold so there is no reason .
8:51 Raise
ALL IN
honestly i'd check looking to check/fold - I said from the start if anyone was interested in this pot they either had A/5 or a flush draw worse case scenario A/5 suited spades and they made a flush and a straight to beat my to seal my 8's in a coffin
I wouldn't want to put more money in the pot and would try to make it to showdown as cheaply as possible
Agree. Trying to think of what SOMEONE would call a turn bet with I'm either putting them on two big spades, pocket 5's, or 5x suited. I think I'd rule out the latter as he raised pretty early (if I remember right), so I'm going with one of the other two hands. Since the 3rd space came out, AND the straight hits the two hands I'm putting my opponent on before the river It's a safe check/fold. So what if I got bluffed out of a pot. There are two many instances where this thing happens and you lose more in the long run than what you would profit by making a hero call.
Now add on the top that my opponent bets out of turn and (going by Brad's evaluation of the player) bets out of turn makes me throw up a huge red flag.
The first of all, I do not like to check on the flop because 2 spades at there. The second, I checked and called it on the river or just folded because the opponent has betted $300 out of the turn. That is my opinion.
I would check and call any reasonable bet on the river. I would be a bit scared of betting and getting raised.
Great video, amazing analize, greetings from Poland
Glad you enjoyed it!
Been doing awsome at 1 2 nl in Melbourne FL @club 52. Ran with your format and I went from rare minor wins and punting when I should walk to being profitable 📈😅.
Bet 400$ It seems polarized for him to call loose that check's turn. but one pair hands might find the call
I would bet small looking to induce a bluff from missed spades or an over-value raise from Aces up. Occasionally the villain will raise and win with a random 5 or flush (or AA? Lol) but I think we need to go for some thin value and simultaneously induce some bluffs.
The run out is kinda terrible - 3 flush, 4 to a straight.... I think the set of 8s has turned into a bluff catcher... or maybe he'd bet with 2 pairs...I think check call as a bluff catcher...
Also - a word on the straddle. I preferred the button straddle - being in late position I should be defending the button as much as some defend the big blind... I find that having the straddle in the pot got me playing more from the button... What do you think of a button straddle?
Straddle = setting money on fire. Your logic makes no sense. Just look at your cards and raise/3 bet more (as suggested by JL) when on button. Position is important, but just because you got the button, that J3o ain't any better.
@@percyblok6014 Maybe. But from the button, its less bad than from UTG, at least post flop you have position.
great video. more rambling
Bet 1/4 pot to see if 55 got there or if a small flush was lurking.
What does that mean when you say "angled"?
Essentially, someone made a play that is perhaps "legal" but viewed as well out of line.
Betting out of turn isn't an angle. By definition. CO has 65 or 75 or 45 but they're red, that's why he played so passive, he was drawing kind of thin.
You don't know if it is an angle or not
@@PokerCoaching I'm assuming he answered when you said to, which was before the out of turn bet happened.
I'm betting about 150 as a blocker but also something that looks like I'm trying to get value. If you get raised that's almost never a bluff there. You could get missed Ax flush draws to call or a hand like A3 or A4 suited.
I'm checking on the river and then calling or folding depending on the player's bet, although I admit that I would be a weak player in Brad's game. Now, his having pocket 5s makes should definitely be in his range. Raising pre-flop in the CO with any pair is reasonable. His check-back on the flop with a small pair and under-pair to the board is probably not a good play, but given that he's identified as weak, his check-back makes sense. Also, being a weak player, he may check a straight or flush draw. The dude's call on the turn makes sense, and I believe pocket pairs and draws are high on his range. His call also makes sense because Brad is representing a decent holding given that he called a raise from the BB, and Brad led the turn.
On the river, I agree that the player's betting out of turn for 75% of the pot is due to his excitement. I would've folded, giving him credit for the straight. (One of my leaks, however, is giving my opponent too much credit, and I over-fold.)
Raising 55 Pre-flop out of positions?? No!
@@colequitiquit9487 He raised pre-flop with pocket 5s (55) in the cutoff. Do you consider the cutoff out of position?
If your opp. bets 300 out of turn here can you just bet say 151 and his 300 is an automatic call and he can't raise? Assuming you must raise 100% of course.
See now why I dont slow-play very often? If you bet the flop, then bet BIG on the turn, is a guy gonna call with a straight draw with a flush possibility on the board? I think not. Worse case scenario he has a flush, and you got only 10 outs
Um, just one thing. In poker, you actually want people with bad hands to put more money in the pot.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 You obviously dont understand the law of the suck-out. Go right ahead and try to check your way to glory. It won't work. People love players like you
Bet $400. Cut off raised pre-flop. He wont have a 5. But does he have AA - maybe . The flush? Possible AT spade -but I think my 8s are good . He only bet big on the River when the A came out
Check call (if it’s not too big)
I also did found it very difficult to hear things said with the plexiglass and masks both in use. He was definitely correct in asking for a clarification.
Check to call if not too big
In cases where you are the Caller on the River, opponent says "you got it" but doesn't muck. What do you do? I sometimes just ask for the pot. I've definitely had them table the winner, or muck.
I just sit there and wait.
Dmed on insta a cool Texas poker celeb hand btw, would love to watch your review of it
@@PokerCoaching Me too. It's on them to show it or muck it, I paid to see their cards. Yet, I'll never encourage or force anyone to show if they're willing to muck. Waiting is better than saying anything. But if they're obviously unwilling to muck, and are just trying to get me to show first, I'll say "show it or muck it" to the player, or "let me know when it's my turn to show" to the dealer.
NEVER show out of turn if a player has a death grip on his cards and is ready to muck if I show a winner or slam-table them if I show a loser. It's surprising how strong some hands are which players will pretend they "thought" were a loser when you only called, when they just want to see your cards. Even the second nuts. Really? Why would someone not raise the river with the nuts?
Mistake-wise, I've seen people think they're bluffing the river due to forgetting their hole cards, or think they have the nuts due to forgetting their hole cards. Or due to misreading the board, or simply not knowing which 5 cards play. You just never know. I've even mucked the nuts one time when a friend showing the 9th nuts triggered my brain to say "good hand" and put my cards in the air to the muck. I realized the mistake with the cards mid-air.
One time, at 20-40 LHE, on a 45xxx (let's say 45KQJ) board, I had 23s in the BB against an extremely strong player who had limped, but was the most consistent winner at Foxwoods 20-40 over a period of years, now decades. I called $40 on the river solely to see his cards. I was shocked when he mucked and said "I didn't think you had anything, I missed my straight draw." So, he almost surely had 76, though I guess it's possible he also had 23 and gave up only a chop.
I think the “Rambling “ is sometimes where you learn The most. Ramble on 😳😂
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