A good K (KQ, KT, maybe AK). Weaker kings, lower pairs and some gutshots would probably just call flop, flopped sets and probably 2 pair would raise bigger flop and less likely fold river, AK would also maybe raise bigger flop, random bluffs fold turn and the only real draw on the flop is our exact hand which makes nuts.
I like the river shove. The villain has all the sets and two pair combos. You'll get a crying call for half pot against exactly AK, AJ and KQ, but you'll get the full amount from KJ, K9, J9, KK, JJ, 99, 44 and even some of the people trying to hero with AK, KQ and AJ. You're playing the speculative and risky QT oop exactly because of the ability to get it all. So why not go for it all.
This one was exceptionally enjoyable Jonathan. It was nice to see a pro who did not necessarily lineup with your thinking. These videos actually help a lot. Thanks for posting them. To me the hijack play the story just like ace king ace queen and 44. I really thought that he had ace king or 44. Easy game.
As a player in the micros I see fish do this alot. Lead blockbet with all the draws, and then bet small on turn in a weird protection bet if they get there. And then they want to get all the lost value on the turn. But I think the reasoning between this and theirs play is a bit different 🤣
I would have folded preflop. As played, check/called flop, check/raised turn, jammed river. Had turn gone check/check, would bet river for 1/3 pot. This hand was weirdly played. Turn sizing is very small. I think if you aren't going to have many bluffs on the river, you may as well make turn size a bit bigger so that the river sizing is easier for them to call off.
I was thinking a strong king when he raise the flop bet, and also calls turn. Easy fold to the river jam in that case, because in my opinion people who 3-barrel on such a wet board almost always have it. By "it" I don't always mean the absolute nuts, but many sets, many two-pair and such. I think I might check-call the flop, and check the turn because if I suddenly lead turn after QT 'gets there' I think it signals the hand. Maybe this line does not get enough value when the draw gets there. On the other hand, doesnt put too much money out there when the draws miss. The flop raise tells me that he at the very least hit the board (or gives hero 0 credit for anything), so calling and then missing the turn feels rough. I would be interested to hear JustGTO's approach if the turn had been a 7 instead of a 9. Can you bully villain off his strong king by repping a set, or will you have to give the hand up here?
I am that 100BB online cash game player. I would do everthing different (only the river i would have jammed). I would have fold PF (RR against player with high VPIP). If not check raised the flop. If played as JUSTGTO check raised all in Turn :):)
I would have bet half pot on river. The all-in isn't getting called by much. Possibly trips, but there are way more likely hands in his range that will make a crying call fit half pot.
I like the river shove. The villain has all the sets and two pair combos. You'll get a crying call for half pot against exactly AK, AJ and KQ, but you'll get the full amount from KJ, K9, J9, KK, JJ, 99, 44 and even some of the people trying to hero with AK, KQ and AJ. You're playing the speculative and risky QT oop exactly because of the ability to get it all. So why not go for it all.
I am a fan of leading into large fields, especially with 2-3 low cards on flop when I have 2 pair plus or a strong draw. A lot of players simply assume I have trash here and raise or float. So if, for example an A or K or Q falls on the turn, I will shift into check call and then check raise the river. That is probably a good bluffing spot if I missed a great draw on the flop. My opponent is very likely to have TPTK or even an underpair to the turn card. Note both the bluff and the made hand have played the same.
Thanks for this video. I tend to agree with Jon that te sizing on the turn could have been bigger. I dont think that vilain's calling range is very different between 20K and 25 or 28K, you get more value turn + more calls river (the shove river is now less than pot size).
If u hit ur straight on the turn and u know u dont have much bluffs by the river if u bet out again. Why not use a bigger size on the turn?All the Kx won't fold yet and sometimes pp think it's an all in or fold situation if they have 2 pair+. Now they just call and evaluate river in position.
It is important to note the range of the initial raiser. I imagine this would be VERY different if the original raiser was UTG. But when the raisers range includes all kinds of stuff like 86s, K3s and such, now your fairly tight calling range hits this flop more. The whole concept of leading range is on the new side. Before solvers, the "correct" way to play was what is normally correct, check to the raiser. I find all of this fascinating even if I don't know how to apply it over the table, especially vs 1/3 tables where I belong.
Raise from late position I would think he has suited K8 plus. I don't know how to use solvers or much tech. I do listen to yhe videos I have access to. That would be a standard play from that seat. He could have a set of 4's in that spot.
I would have folded preflop QTo. And that looks more or less correct- 50% fold 50% call. I wouldn’t think there is a flop leading range, but then again he makes sense. SB calling range is generally, pretty compressed broadways… P.s. Justin has SUCH a southern accent.
@@NaopolitanMusic the 50% is specifically the chart for a middle-late small open. It’s not 50% for *all* opens. So if you were going to try to implement a real GTO approach at the highest level, you would play like Doug Polk does with a random number generator and do a roll for each decision that isn’t 100% (which is many decisions)
Asking what hands would raise from that position, is my hand reasonable to call, then flop. That's what I would've have been thinking pre. I would've never lead in this spot.
What size bet do you just fold pre flop? With the anti and under 2.5 BB open I felt like we probably had to play but there was a large part of me screaming that I do not have to be defending QTo 50 BB effective from the SB against a HJ open.
If it was a 2.5bb or 3bb open, folding is totally fine. If the big blind or HJ player are weak though, you should try to play as many hands as possible!
How to crush: flop OESD, see turn for relatively cheap and turn the nuts. Maybe we can get a video where there’s more of a sweat? I feel like this doesn’t really demonstrate how to crush
Look to constantly lead in spots like this with a balanced range! Using hands like K8s to lead here is going to help you crush in these multi-way spots instead of letting it check through!
What would happen if the reraise on the flop was significantly bigger by the high Jack? How much would that reraise have to be to put you off the call?
If it was a 2.5-3 bb raise I would think folding Q10 off suit is fine. But with it only being 1.5 bb raise I would also call but my leak is I'm never leading on flop and depending how big the bet is I may peel.
another low stakes poker tourney day after busting out of a few tourneys i make it to the final tables of the $3.30 and .55. i'll update when i win. in the money on the .55 and on the bubble in the 3.30
i'll definitely lead in a spot like this, simply because i have the nuts and have been called down to the river, specificlly the turn call. villain has something. so make him pay ;)
When opponent takes a lot of time folding and states he'd would have snap-folded against anyone else, I presume he thinks of me as a frequent bluffer and I probably adjust my bluffing frequency down a little against him. Whereas if he had snap-folded, and I don't think he has a missed draw, I'd assume he thinks I don't bluff that much and I'd increase my frequency. Likewise when making a tight fold (like his alleged AK in this hand,) I'd make a manipulative statement. If I want to lower his bluffing frequency, I claim I folded A4, but would have definitely called AJ. There is very little downside to trying to create a false table-image by mixing some lies or misleading statements in with your honest ones. Players who don't know you may believe them.
Sure, Villain can have sets, and KJ, K9 and J9, but does he FLAT the turn? I don't. My opponent is getting a free card if I don't raise him and he has lots of hands like KQ or maybe JT that have outs. So when you evaluate the river, you must downgrade the weight of hands that would likely raise the turn. I also think that AK would have raised the flop or turn very often. Is GTO really just calling with these strong hands? If it is, are humans doing that? Maybe GTO is raising small on the turn with KJ to keep other hands in. But when so much of my opponent's range has a gutshot, it seems like a big fundamental theory of poker error to only call. So, had the turn been an offsuit 8, smooth calling with KJ+ seems a lot better. Of course, all the money goes in if SB does have QT, but I am not folding KJ to a river shove either. Once the two hands get that strong, both players are "happy" to get all in, but one gets very disappointed. At least this way I don't face a nasty decision when the river is a Q or T.
This is generally correct for structuring river strategies. The bigger the bet, the more you get to bluff. In spots where the opponent has high range connectivity though, you find large sizes as well.
To stay balanced I’d approach the river like a cash game. If I’m going 30% on turn and if I decide to continue with either a bluff or value hand, I’ll go like 80% pot on river depending on how call happy or foldable my opponent is AND if they shown strength during the hand. Is this fairly balanced??
Balance is more referring to the ratio of bluffs to value hands on the river. So it's moreso that when you use an 80% pot on the river, you need to have some bluffs.
On the river... I would probably bet for thin value hoping to get a call. Why jam? You allowing the villain to get away. You have the best possible hand. Give them pot odds to pay you off for value. If they found a set, you're going their stack anyway. They have "something" since they opened the betting and called the flop and turn bets, get them to put money in the pot for showdown. Jamming just gives them reason to not put any money in the pot.
Betting small will get called more often, but the opponent will likely just call and not go all-in with their 2-pair and sets, so you likely won't stack them.
With his reraise on the Flop I imagine he is generally pretty comfortable AA KK JJ 44 KJ AK! Would absolutely hate to miss what could have been the maximum.
This makes me laugh. Another guy, BlackRain, taught us to play aces with an example where he hits a set. Here the small blind makes the nut straight on the turn. I think we can all handle this spot. How about when you hit middle pair as the small blind? How do you handle that?
I think the guy the younare helping here Jonathan is not the brightest bulb. He makes up his own terminologies, and he says after 6 comes down how HJ could have a set of 9 or 6's? He really thinks HJ would have taken pockets 9s or 6s to the river with those bets? I think I would like to play poker against the friend you were helping here Jonathan......
Flat pre OOP with bad hand, bet small with 20% equity on flop encouraging a raise from stronger hands, then suck out. Sounds like a terrible strategy IMO ... Sorry just calling it how I see it. This is basically flatting OOP and hoping to get lucky, doing so and NOT getting paid.
99 % of that game is random. Maybe the opponent has 10 Q or KK. It is nothing but a guess. The only way to be sure to win is to know the cards of the opponents.
What hand do YOU think the opponent had in this spot and HOW did you come to that conclusion?
I would say he likely had AK because of 12:36.
A good K (KQ, KT, maybe AK). Weaker kings, lower pairs and some gutshots would probably just call flop, flopped sets and probably 2 pair would raise bigger flop and less likely fold river, AK would also maybe raise bigger flop, random bluffs fold turn and the only real draw on the flop is our exact hand which makes nuts.
I put HJ on AK. didn’t even watch the video. I just knew it.
Love the dedication and detail in these analysis videos! Greatly appreciated.
Awesome, I'm glad you like it :)
I like the river shove. The villain has all the sets and two pair combos. You'll get a crying call for half pot against exactly AK, AJ and KQ, but you'll get the full amount from KJ, K9, J9, KK, JJ, 99, 44 and even some of the people trying to hero with AK, KQ and AJ. You're playing the speculative and risky QT oop exactly because of the ability to get it all. So why not go for it all.
This one was exceptionally enjoyable Jonathan. It was nice to see a pro who did not necessarily lineup with your thinking. These videos actually help a lot. Thanks for posting them. To me the hijack play the story just like ace king ace queen and 44. I really thought that he had ace king or 44. Easy game.
As a player in the micros I see fish do this alot. Lead blockbet with all the draws, and then bet small on turn in a weird protection bet if they get there. And then they want to get all the lost value on the turn.
But I think the reasoning between this and theirs play is a bit different 🤣
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Awesome :) I hope you enjoy it and learn a ton!
I'd love to see this ran!
I would have folded preflop. As played, check/called flop, check/raised turn, jammed river. Had turn gone check/check, would bet river for 1/3 pot.
This hand was weirdly played. Turn sizing is very small. I think if you aren't going to have many bluffs on the river, you may as well make turn size a bit bigger so that the river sizing is easier for them to call off.
It’s good to see how these types of players think, because I play a very different style (I rarely bet small and rarely lead, for example)
Love your vids Bro
Thanks, I'm glad you like them!
I was thinking a strong king when he raise the flop bet, and also calls turn. Easy fold to the river jam in that case, because in my opinion people who 3-barrel on such a wet board almost always have it. By "it" I don't always mean the absolute nuts, but many sets, many two-pair and such.
I think I might check-call the flop, and check the turn because if I suddenly lead turn after QT 'gets there' I think it signals the hand. Maybe this line does not get enough value when the draw gets there. On the other hand, doesnt put too much money out there when the draws miss. The flop raise tells me that he at the very least hit the board (or gives hero 0 credit for anything), so calling and then missing the turn feels rough. I would be interested to hear JustGTO's approach if the turn had been a 7 instead of a 9. Can you bully villain off his strong king by repping a set, or will you have to give the hand up here?
I am that 100BB online cash game player. I would do everthing different (only the river i would have jammed). I would have fold PF (RR against player with high VPIP). If not check raised the flop. If played as JUSTGTO check raised all in Turn :):)
I would have bet half pot on river. The all-in isn't getting called by much. Possibly trips, but there are way more likely hands in his range that will make a crying call fit half pot.
I like the river shove. The villain has all the sets and two pair combos. You'll get a crying call for half pot against exactly AK, AJ and KQ, but you'll get the full amount from KJ, K9, J9, KK, JJ, 99, 44 and even some of the people trying to hero with AK, KQ and AJ. You're playing the speculative and risky QT oop exactly because of the ability to get it all. So why not go for it all.
I am a fan of leading into large fields, especially with 2-3 low cards on flop when I have 2 pair plus or a strong draw.
A lot of players simply assume I have trash here and raise or float. So if, for example an A or K or Q falls on the turn, I will
shift into check call and then check raise the river. That is probably a good bluffing spot if I missed a great draw on the flop. My opponent is very likely to have TPTK or even an underpair to the turn card. Note both the bluff and the made hand have played the same.
JustGTO for President!
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Please bring him back!
Not good enough to leavd there yet. I am definitely a check call almost any bet from that position with that hand.
Thanks for this video. I tend to agree with Jon that te sizing on the turn could have been bigger. I dont think that vilain's calling range is very different between 20K and 25 or 28K, you get more value turn + more calls river (the shove river is now less than pot size).
If u hit ur straight on the turn and u know u dont have much bluffs by the river if u bet out again. Why not use a bigger size on the turn?All the Kx won't fold yet and sometimes pp think it's an all in or fold situation if they have 2 pair+. Now they just call and evaluate river in position.
I think this would be quite reasonable.
The vibe in this video was way better than the pocket jacks video
This was new to me as I didn't think the SB would have a leading range on a KJ flop.
It is important to note the range of the initial raiser. I imagine this would be VERY different if the original raiser was UTG. But when the raisers range includes all kinds of stuff like 86s, K3s and such, now your fairly tight calling range hits this flop more. The whole concept of leading range is on the new side. Before solvers, the "correct" way to play was what is normally correct, check to the raiser. I find all of this fascinating even if I don't know how to apply it over the table, especially vs 1/3 tables where I belong.
Raise from late position I would think he has suited K8 plus. I don't know how to use solvers or much tech. I do listen to yhe videos I have access to. That would be a standard play from that seat. He could have a set of 4's in that spot.
I would have folded preflop QTo. And that looks more or less correct- 50% fold 50% call.
I wouldn’t think there is a flop leading range, but then again he makes sense. SB calling range is generally, pretty compressed broadways…
P.s. Justin has SUCH a southern accent.
so wouldn't a middle/late small open like this hand be part of the 50% call?
@@NaopolitanMusic the 50% is specifically the chart for a middle-late small open. It’s not 50% for *all* opens. So if you were going to try to implement a real GTO approach at the highest level, you would play like Doug Polk does with a random number generator and do a roll for each decision that isn’t 100% (which is many decisions)
River definitely leads i think I will go 40% or go small to Hindus him to bluff. As for the flop somtime I prefer check raise
Asking what hands would raise from that position, is my hand reasonable to call, then flop. That's what I would've have been thinking pre. I would've never lead in this spot.
Interesting, my chart comes from Simple Preflop and has QTo as a pure fold sb v hj 50bbeff
Perhaps it's solved for a 2.5bb raise first in size, or no ante.
because the defending of sb and bb is a joke with that cards especially in micro stakes
@@sixdroid in microstakes people play postflop poorly so that would actually make you want to call the QTo more.
I say low occurrence actions skew towards monsters. Because getting a monster is low occurrence
What size bet do you just fold pre flop? With the anti and under 2.5 BB open I felt like we probably had to play but there was a large part of me screaming that I do not have to be defending QTo 50 BB effective from the SB against a HJ open.
If it was a 2.5bb or 3bb open, folding is totally fine. If the big blind or HJ player are weak though, you should try to play as many hands as possible!
@@PokerCoaching thanks!
the defending of sb and bb is a joke. it's true if you have the cards only especially in micro stakes. stop this thing.
@@sixdroid what? somebody check on godzilla
@@connorcrump3825 what do you want? Godzilla? you are a joking
I triple barrel everything because I never have the goods. 3 hands between rebuys tops!
How to crush: flop OESD, see turn for relatively cheap and turn the nuts.
Maybe we can get a video where there’s more of a sweat? I feel like this doesn’t really demonstrate how to crush
Look to constantly lead in spots like this with a balanced range! Using hands like K8s to lead here is going to help you crush in these multi-way spots instead of letting it check through!
I recommend the small donk bet when I flop good and I
know my opponent has an overpair and wants to get it in
What would happen if the reraise on the flop was significantly bigger by the high Jack? How much would that reraise have to be to put you off the call?
If it was a 2.5-3 bb raise I would think folding Q10 off suit is fine. But with it only being 1.5 bb raise I would also call but my leak is I'm never leading on flop and depending how big the bet is I may peel.
I always have a hard time defeding SB, this vid was very valuable!
why are we donking out after the flop instead of check calling
You typically want to lead when you have an equity and expected value advantage.
I really enjoy your dry sense of humor, Jonathan.
I appreciate that!
another low stakes poker tourney day after busting out of a few tourneys i make it to the final tables of the $3.30 and .55. i'll update when i win. in the money on the .55 and on the bubble in the 3.30
took 5th in the .55 took 1st place in the 3.30
Does this only apply to tournaments or also to cash games?
Mostly tournaments because in cash games, you won't call as often from the SB here.
i'll definitely lead in a spot like this, simply because i have the nuts and have been called down to the river, specificlly the turn call. villain has something. so make him pay ;)
Awesome vids
When opponent takes a lot of time folding and states he'd would have snap-folded against anyone else, I presume he thinks of me as a frequent bluffer and I probably adjust my bluffing frequency down a little against him. Whereas if he had snap-folded, and I don't think he has a missed draw, I'd assume he thinks I don't bluff that much and I'd increase my frequency. Likewise when making a tight fold (like his alleged AK in this hand,) I'd make a manipulative statement. If I want to lower his bluffing frequency, I claim I folded A4, but would have definitely called AJ. There is very little downside to trying to create a false table-image by mixing some lies or misleading statements in with your honest ones. Players who don't know you may believe them.
Sure, Villain can have sets, and KJ, K9 and J9, but does he FLAT the turn? I don't. My opponent is getting a free card if I don't raise him and he has lots of hands like KQ or maybe JT that have outs. So when you evaluate the river, you must downgrade the weight of hands that would likely raise the turn. I also think that AK would have raised the flop or turn very often. Is GTO really just calling with these strong hands? If it is, are humans doing that? Maybe GTO is raising small on the turn with KJ to keep other hands in. But when so much of my opponent's range has a gutshot, it seems like a big fundamental theory of poker error to only call. So, had the turn been an offsuit 8, smooth calling with KJ+ seems a lot better.
Of course, all the money goes in if SB does have QT, but I am not folding KJ to a river shove either. Once the two hands get that strong, both players are "happy" to get all in, but one gets very disappointed. At least this way I don't face a nasty decision when the river is a Q or T.
if you dont have bluffs at the river, big sizing is incorrect right? what does justin think about in general?
This is generally correct for structuring river strategies. The bigger the bet, the more you get to bluff. In spots where the opponent has high range connectivity though, you find large sizes as well.
Had to re watch this to see your facial expressions in certain spots...we agree alot 💯
To stay balanced I’d approach the river like a cash game. If I’m going 30% on turn and if I decide to continue with either a bluff or value hand, I’ll go like 80% pot on river depending on how call happy or foldable my opponent is AND if they shown strength during the hand. Is this fairly balanced??
Balance is more referring to the ratio of bluffs to value hands on the river. So it's moreso that when you use an 80% pot on the river, you need to have some bluffs.
On the river... I would probably bet for thin value hoping to get a call. Why jam? You allowing the villain to get away. You have the best possible hand. Give them pot odds to pay you off for value. If they found a set, you're going their stack anyway. They have "something" since they opened the betting and called the flop and turn bets, get them to put money in the pot for showdown. Jamming just gives them reason to not put any money in the pot.
Betting small will get called more often, but the opponent will likely just call and not go all-in with their 2-pair and sets, so you likely won't stack them.
With his reraise on the Flop I imagine he is generally pretty comfortable AA KK JJ 44 KJ AK! Would absolutely hate to miss what could have been the maximum.
@@PokerCoaching OK, thanks for elaborating. I can always learn more and fix a hole in my game.
And what if you don't hit it on the turn? Do you just check in this spot?
No...
So to crush it from the small blind I just have to turn the nut straight. I wish I would have learned this years ago. It's so simple. Lol.
I like a check raise with QT on a rainbow board
This makes me laugh. Another guy, BlackRain, taught us to play aces with an example where he hits a set. Here the small blind makes the nut straight on the turn.
I think we can all handle this spot. How about when you hit middle pair as the small blind? How do you handle that?
Check...
@@PokerCoaching lol. Thank you!
Jl for president.
I think the guy the younare helping here Jonathan is not the brightest bulb.
He makes up his own terminologies, and he says after 6 comes down how HJ could have a set of 9 or 6's?
He really thinks HJ would have taken pockets 9s or 6s to the river with those bets?
I think I would like to play poker against the friend you were helping here Jonathan......
He is just GTO.
this made my brain explode
I would love to see your analysis of the same hands but the straight doesn't come in.
Flat pre OOP with bad hand, bet small with 20% equity on flop encouraging a raise from stronger hands, then suck out. Sounds like a terrible strategy IMO ... Sorry just calling it how I see it. This is basically flatting OOP and hoping to get lucky, doing so and NOT getting paid.
"Tips to crush in the SB" - Turn the nuts and bet bet bet good to know LOL
I'm glad you are learning.
99 % of that game is random. Maybe the opponent has 10 Q or KK. It is nothing but a guess. The only way to be sure to win is to know the cards of the opponents.
maan I realized that my biggest mistake is that I dont stop playing when I get bored . Than I start playing reckless
patience is definitely very necessary in poker
Whether you are going to bluff or not also depends largely on which opponent you play the pot against.
Very true!
On the flop I think he has a 1 pair hand. Kx type maybe Jx. Personally I want control of the beating lead. Check raise puts 1 pair into a tough spot