Thank you for the raw and real talk regarding equipment. Cycling unfortunately is ruled by too much marketing these days. Your bike takes it back to simpler times unencumbered by all the modern faff that buys you very little in the grand scheme of things.
100 Climbs, is this you from 2005???This is a actual post on a bicycle web forum on 5 Dec 2005: "Hey, I am looking into possibly purchasing this frame, maybe the new 2006 translink version, does anyone have the time vx frame, ridden one, or know anything about them? Or are there any other carbn frames around the 2,000-2,600 dollar range that I should be looking into? I am interested in building a bike up with campagnolo chorus hopefully for under $4000, preferably close to $3500. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thank you."
love that his second bike which is not light is still only 6.5kg. need to spend north of £12K to get an off-the-shelf disc bike that light . No amount of marketing hype can cheat the scales for a true climbing bike IMO.
Proper bike, proper wheels, proper tyres, proper groupset, proper cassette and doesn't use the last two gears! Thank the lord this man exists in todays "comfort" world of bs biking.
I make enough money that I own a fucking 10 passenger helicopter thats around 5 years old and still ride a '96 Giant Cross Nutra... Stop cycle snobbery! Hate hearing people go on about saving grams and shit. Sir you just walked your bike up that last 100m while me and my OLLLLD Cromoly tank passed you in the seat
Just proves Rim brake bike is the bike to go to if you want performance......this bike is 19 years old and it still will out pace a modern heavy disc bike.....disk for dirt and rim for road👍
I found myself looking all misty eyed at a nice steel frame that I have found for sale, rim brakes - ext cables - shallow alloy clinchers - round bars and seatpost - campag groupset. If I had the cash then I would love to buy, just to hang on the wall at home as art and maybe on those oh so special days. go for a ride on my favourite road just for the joy that is riding something so beautifully simple but so perfected by time and experience.
Calling out the marketing bullshit - love it! Sick of hearing how all these new heavy bikes are better than what's gone before and great value for money
I’ve got a 2007 Felt F2 with full Dura Ace that I just purchased in like new condition. Previous owner rode it 4 or 5 times and then stored it in a climate controlled garage since 2010 untouched. It’s an absolute beast of a machine when it comes to speed, agility and responsiveness and I don’t have to mess around with disc brakes. Light and fast, just the way I like them. No hype, just performance.
Well done. Great vid. This man speaketh the truth. Couldn’t agree more on the brakes and I do exactly the same passing equipment through my bikes. I love upgrading and when stuff moves down the line it’s kind of a free upgrade. My 2012 alley defy is now nicely modded and is quite a rapid machine 😎
What a polarising video! Awesome! I’m pretty much in the Simon camp though. If it ain’t broke and it weighs under the UCI weight limit, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t need a new Colnago V3RS... what a bike! Sold out with the 34 tooth chain set though🤣 long live the 39-53 and big legs!
Simon's bike is perfect. He's just not influenced by the corporate bullshit . These companies try to tell is we need multiple bikes in the shed with heavy parts we don't need.
I love this guy! I feel the same way. I've never ridden anything but Campagnolo. I'm the same age as this man. He is correct. We used to think the narrower the tires be more race your bike was. I almost got a Sram groupset, then I remembered Shift grips and laughed myself back to sense. Another great video David!
@@kidShibuya when I was a young blood like you I too was caught up in the arms race. So I get it. I can still race down very technical mountains with my Delta brakes with no issue. If my dog knocks over my steel or titanium bike I don’t have to get a X-ray for it. I don’t need a power meter. I know I’ve lost my power. I run on feel. Isn’t that the point of cycling to be one with the road and all that entails? Feel free to spend as much as you want on cycling gear and upgrades. Be safe.
Year 2030, Bike industry marketers and influencers: "We are releasing a new lighter, easier to maintain cross platform braking system , behold the rim brake..."
Really like this video! I have the newer vxrs still as my winter bike (great, apart from the headset). I love it when people scoff at the "need" (fallen for marketing and influencers) for a gravel bike etc. my brother loves gravel riding, so I take the pee by riding my Venge with 25mm
honestly, I'd much rather have a brake system that'll wear out a bolt-on metal rotor than the rim itself. this alone is a dealbreaker for rim brakes IMO
@@deabreu.tattoo I’d rather spend 800-1000 usd (have you checked rim brake wheel prices lately? people can’t wait to get rid of them) when my brake track wears out (which happens what? every 3 years with 8k miles a year?) than buy the latest and greatest every year and spend multiple times that 😂
I'm a Campy guy, too, having both 10 and 11 speed groupos. The 10 speed is a thing of beauty. So precise and reliable...oh and spare parts available, too.
Someone should tell Simon to his delight, that there's still plenty of rim brake rims out there, and thanks to dork discs on wheels, it's a buyers market for rim brake wheels. I'm loving it!
So fantastic to see a rim brakes bicycle on this channel. Disc brakes ruined the look, the weight and the aerodynamic of bicycles. Disc brakes the biggest marketing gimmick.
I had that Chorus before the bike got stolen. The new version on my bike seems faster and more aero but I miss the looks a bit. A bit of a shame Campag Chorus only lasts 19 years and counting. That lack of reliability keeps me awake at nights.I suffer in silence. If only I'd gone Shim.
I have the same Campagnolo Shamal Mille wheelset. They are lightweight, sexy with ceramic bearings and carbon hub bodies. What makes them really special is the brake track is black⚫️ and has a special machined breaking surface that improves braking significantly over other common alloy rim brakes. I get lots of compliments on them and most people mistaken them for shallow carbon wheels. They retailed for close to $2,000 USD and are no longer made. If you can find any in great condition, snatch them up and you won't regret it!
An amazing French Italian piece of artwork! Simple lines clean cut and potent uphill. Time is timeless. Love the carbon weave design. In-house and made In France. Pure style.
I agree the Industry is what really has changed bikes into what they look like now. I’m not against disc brakes and tubeless tires… BUT! I think it’s really endurance/gravel bikes tech shoved into race/lightweight bikes. I opted to just keep my rim brake old tech bike and bought a gravel bike for the wider tires and higher gearing
My fancy carbon Trek road bike is down for the count with a crack in the frame. So I’m on my backup bike, a 1994 Specialized alu frame I bought ten years ago. I’ve added various old and a few reasonably new components over time. It’s set up for down tube shifting. The carbon wheels are off of the Trek. With a heavy Vuelta crankset, the weight is 8.3kg, as light in weight as some modern bikes with disc wheels, 32mm and wider tires and electronic shifting. I think my Frankenstein Spesh looks good and I love the way it rides, which is why I gave a thumbs-up to the vid! 😉
Love it. Still riding my 2004 Specialized Allez Comp Cro-Mo steel bike. Upgraded with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic's, it still comes in at about 19lbs. Not super light, but light enough for me and it rides smooth as butter. With rim brakes of course.
That is probably the best bicycle shown on this channel for years. A bicycle setup by someone who used his years of experience to find out what works best for him instead of just believing the sales gimmicks the marketing departments at the bike companies come up with. He gave you a good class, learn from it.
Lol...I'm looking forward to the podcast series "Retro Lounge with Dave and Simon". Simon picks the bike industry rant topic from listener submissions. Sponsorship might be a challenge though. 🤔 😉 Seriously though, lovely machine, and I applaud Simon's frugal approach with his at-home trickle-down tech scheme. That's something we can all relate to. 👍
The sponsorship could come from the small-scale and custom builders who will be the ones supplying frames to those that still want the purist rim build, it's not a small contingent...there's a growing trend of riders wanting this supposed 'oldSkool' equipment, even those that have had multiple disc bikes and find them a bit 'meh.
Still riding my 11 yr old rim brake Spesh Roubaix. Finally replaced the Ultegra 10spd 6700 group set with a mix of 11spd Ultegra, GRX and 105 - had to get creative with our pandemic supply chain challenges - point being the R7000 105 rim brakes cost $75.00 USD for the pair (new in the box from my LBS) and are amazing stoppers, easy to install/maintain and will last me quite some time. I'm certainly not against innovation, in fact I think it's great and good for anyone who can afford it and the trickle-down of the tech to lower price point product, but the prices are mind boggling. When Trek establishes it's own financing offering in order to move it's inventory you have to wonder.
Love it, I got inspired to get another bike so I can shuffle down parts! I also agree, disc brakes are a marketing scheme, but I guess it is nice to only need to change the rotor instead of the expensive wheels even tough they are also expensive!
I still love the look of a nice light set bike infact I've got one myself. I do enjoy the braking of my newer disc bike it just works all weather albeit a bit mousey at times. There is a compromise with the extra weight though. I agree that 28c is a joke haha.
Mr Warren's comments are spot on, the mainstream industry is going to loose out on a lot of customers if it fails to continue supporting this way of thinking. I have a bike like that and see no point in spending over double what I paid for it for something a kg heavier with worse ride quality and more maintenance faff. These Time frames are classic and IMO among a handful of the best frames ever made, I'd rather ride something like that than any modern disced monstrosity.
I don't know, I think the cycling connoisseurs are a pretty small minority compared to ignorant new consumers of cycling products who have zero context or enough experience actually riding and racing bicycles to feel they are losing out by adopting mechanical shifting/rim brake bikes.
Beautiful machine. Nicest bike you have shown. Simon is a straight shooter. This is so much more relatable than the the latest this and that. I think you could really build on this video by doing more similar. Interview riders who love their older bikes and take the pressure off us all to 'upgrade' and encourage us to run what we have. lets get out and ride. Thanks for a great vid👍
Brilliant! Smashed every marketing cliche out the water! Show me a disc brake aero machine under 6.8kg for less than £10k…it will all gone back around in circles as we’re already starting to see with the Aethos but silly money
1:27 my thoughts exactly on disc brakes! Nothing particularly against them but I incrementally upgrade my bikes rather than buying new ones, and you can't retrofit disc brakes (not safely anyway). So if and when I buy a new road bike it will probably be a disc model and I'm OK with that. Until then, I'll be fine with rim brakes!
Totally agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I'm firmly in the disc brake camp for off road riding, but on the road I see no need for anything more than rims brakes. They're plenty powerful enough to lock up the wheels, so the limiting factor when it comes to stopping is the grip between the tyres and road....not the ultimate power of your brakes. There's a simple elegance to bikes of this era and earlier, they just work, and are easy and relatively cheap to maintain. Not sure my knees could manage those gears these days though!
Right on Simon I'm with you all the way! That TIME bike is for real men! David try that gearing on your newer frames and we'll see how much you'll be able to take! Riding gearing like that all the time will turn you into an animal, looks like you can use a good dose of a SUPER HARD WORK-OUT! I'm in the process of ordering up a new STEEL ROCKET frameset, it'll be a hybrid TRACK road ROAD Bike Basically a track frame with all the needed road bike bits and pieces, it'll be tight! quick! and fast! It'll climb like a bat out of hell, It'll cut up the down hill run! The biggest problem will be the fork crown tire clearance running over fresh asphalt and you'll get lock up in an instant so we'll need to modify the fork crown. It was roughly 30 years ago when I first rode such a bike and boy it was SCARY! Soon after I settled in with the bike then I was good with it. TECH on this new bike will be 80's/90's! Yes older tech than the TIME Bicycle. Disk brakes just will not cut the cake for me they look and sound ugly. Old school CALIPERS are still good stoppers and will have great sex appeal which is a plus the overall looks of the bike. Modern day drive trains Alpine gearing on a road bike just looks GOD awful with that huge lower pulley it's like sticking an old school steel spoked tractor wheel on a Ferrari! I'll joke around with some of the cyclist here in Holland! What's up with the MT bike gearing on a road bike it's flat here so why would you need such gearing, you can see it in their eyes they are fuming. $ 300.00 PLUS Saddles, $ 50.00 plus Handlebar tape and so on not for me!
Simon’s bike is a dream! Time make fantastic frames and its no mistake that the bike is still a great bike many years after it was made! I agree with Simon rim brakes are best for road bikes and Time frames are the best carbon fiber frames bar none!
I live in N.E. Italy 🇮🇹. Lots o ‘Dicd brake’ bikes rollin these roads…but you seriously do not need them. Ride what you like, but if you want to roll with me leave the b/s behind and keep up. Tubular 38mm cf rims, mechanical 11spd Campangolo, 7kg all in and NO B/S. Live large dream bigger!!
I feel as if I’m seeing my older self. I have a bike much similar to Simon a Cinelli naked carbon with Campy Chorus and it’s almost 13yrs old now. Still my main bike. I also have the exact same philosophy like Simon, buy the newest bit for the main bike and give an upgrade to the next in line.
6.5kg is light in my eyes.My carbon bike is 8kg.I have a 1992 steel bike with 2008 Dura ace on it that i rode most of last summer on weight is 9.3kg but has compact gears 50/34 & 11/28 10 speed.One of my carbon bikes a Daccordi roll over has climbing gears for the lakes & scotland so i have 50/34 & a 11/34 cassette.
Put a set of deep carbon wheels and great tires on this bike and it could race in the world tour without skipping a beat. The aero gains from a frameset alone are very low. This Time is ready to rock.
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The man speaks the truth !
Campagnolo with Rim brakes is what you need 😉
The nicest bike on your channel in the last few years! He’s a Real character too!
Thanks for ALL the comments everyone. See you in the hills.
I will turn 55 this year . Just started cycling again and falling in love with it. Thanks for the inspiration 😌
Thank you for the raw and real talk regarding equipment. Cycling unfortunately is ruled by too much marketing these days. Your bike takes it back to simpler times unencumbered by all the modern faff that buys you very little in the grand scheme of things.
Thanks for providing this refreshing information
100 Climbs, is this you from 2005???This is a actual post on a bicycle web forum on 5 Dec 2005: "Hey, I am looking into possibly purchasing this frame, maybe the new 2006 translink version, does anyone have the time vx frame, ridden one, or know anything about them? Or are there any other carbn frames around the 2,000-2,600 dollar range that I should be looking into? I am interested in building a bike up with campagnolo chorus hopefully for under $4000, preferably close to $3500. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thank you."
Gorgeous bike
This guy is great! You couldn’t get two people who are more polar opposite’s. One of the better videos in a while. Awesome bike
Happy to see this, I did a 100 mile ride on my rim brake bike last week after years of disc only. I had so much fun, no rotor rub and lighter.
love that his second bike which is not light is still only 6.5kg. need to spend north of £12K to get an off-the-shelf disc bike that light . No amount of marketing hype can cheat the scales for a true climbing bike IMO.
To true Graham so much for needing technology to keep up lol!. Marketing rules I'm afraid! £12k for a modern porker and people pay it lol!!
With pedals and cages even with 12k its hard. I think an Aethos can do it. Many others especially aero bikes you'd need some exotic components.
Guaranteed that is not 6.5kg. 7.5kg more like.
Perfectly true. Rim brakes rule! :D Lol, and I don't even want to hear about 25... still peddling on 23 ones...
Awesome bike ❤️
Rim brakes rule 👍
Timeless 😊
My mind is totally with Simon. Love the bike. Best video ever.
I still have rim brakes and they’re great. Not to mention disc brakes are heavier and cost more for the rotor and brake themselves.
Ive the exact same Time
#savetherimbrake
That's not surprising, you probably own every rim brake bike ever made 😀
Lol I just upgraded my Caad 9 to 40mm carbon tubeless gp5k TL and it feels better than current offerings.
"Disc brakes are just a marketing tool to sell bikes to people that already have them".... love it :-)
All you boys ...er I mean men, rock! Demoralised by the modern bike world.Glad there are riders who think the same way I do...Well done lads...👏
That's a lovely bike best bike by far on the channel great video David.
Proper bike, proper wheels, proper tyres, proper groupset, proper cassette and doesn't use the last two gears! Thank the lord this man exists in todays "comfort" world of bs biking.
I've got a 10 yr old Time NXR with Campy Super Record - amazing bike! I just wish I could put on larger (cushier) tires for poor roads.
As a 50+ rider myself I 100% relate to what's being said here. Modern bikes are great but pig ugly imo. Great vid!
Freakin’ love this guy. Ride what you’ve brought. Stop the cycling snobbery.
I make enough money that I own a fucking 10 passenger helicopter thats around 5 years old and still ride a '96 Giant Cross Nutra... Stop cycle snobbery! Hate hearing people go on about saving grams and shit. Sir you just walked your bike up that last 100m while me and my OLLLLD Cromoly tank passed you in the seat
Just proves Rim brake bike is the bike to go to if you want performance......this bike is 19 years old and it still will out pace a modern heavy disc bike.....disk for dirt and rim for road👍
I found myself looking all misty eyed at a nice steel frame that I have found for sale, rim brakes - ext cables - shallow alloy clinchers - round bars and seatpost - campag groupset. If I had the cash then I would love to buy, just to hang on the wall at home as art and maybe on those oh so special days. go for a ride on my favourite road just for the joy that is riding something so beautifully simple but so perfected by time and experience.
Durianrider is crying tears of pure joy watching this.
Durianrider is a hack. Doesn’t hold a candle to this gentleman here.
Don’t say his name or he might appear
That bike is hot! I love modern bikes too, but I will always appreciate the beauty and glory of a classic road bicycle silhouette
Calling out the marketing bullshit - love it! Sick of hearing how all these new heavy bikes are better than what's gone before and great value for money
Couldn't agree more with Simon's old school thinking, e.g. gear ratios and disc brakes are a marketing tool. Funny and knowledge to boot.
What a dude!
love his attitude
I’ve got a 2007 Felt F2 with full Dura Ace that I just purchased in like new condition. Previous owner rode it 4 or 5 times and then stored it in a climate controlled garage since 2010 untouched. It’s an absolute beast of a machine when it comes to speed, agility and responsiveness and I don’t have to mess around with disc brakes. Light and fast, just the way I like them. No hype, just performance.
Simon rides what he wants, good for him !
Great video. Makes a changes to "tell it how it is" regarding marketing. Lovely clean lines without the disc brakes!
Well done. Great vid. This man speaketh the truth. Couldn’t agree more on the brakes and I do exactly the same passing equipment through my bikes. I love upgrading and when stuff moves down the line it’s kind of a free upgrade. My 2012 alley defy is now nicely modded and is quite a rapid machine 😎
What a polarising video! Awesome! I’m pretty much in the Simon camp though. If it ain’t broke and it weighs under the UCI weight limit, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t need a new Colnago V3RS... what a bike! Sold out with the 34 tooth chain set though🤣 long live the 39-53 and big legs!
Simon's bike is perfect. He's just not influenced by the corporate bullshit . These companies try to tell is we need multiple bikes in the shed with heavy parts we don't need.
If you ride road & MTB you need more than one.
@@Andy_ATB true Andy. I'll stand corrected there. 😀👍
Best bike you have showcased in a long time (since your supersix evo bike). Love climbing bikes with rim brakes.
Love this honesty, have Simon on again!
Loving it. I agree with everything he said.
I love this guy! I feel the same way. I've never ridden anything but Campagnolo. I'm the same age as this man. He is correct. We used to think the narrower the tires be more race your bike was. I almost got a Sram groupset, then I remembered Shift grips and laughed myself back to sense. Another great video David!
You're the same age and have the same stuck in 1950 opinion? Color me surprised.
@@kidShibuya when I was a young blood like you I too was caught up in the arms race. So I get it. I can still race down very technical mountains with my Delta brakes with no issue. If my dog knocks over my steel or titanium bike I don’t have to get a X-ray for it. I don’t need a power meter. I know I’ve lost my power. I run on feel. Isn’t that the point of cycling to be one with the road and all that entails? Feel free to spend as much as you want on cycling gear and upgrades. Be safe.
absolutely beautiful bike. maybe it's just me but I prefer the look of the 'older' bikes
More of this please Dave, great episode.
Great video enjoyed the defence of the real bike and so light. It’s a beauty.
V cool bike. Funny hearing unfiltered opinions. Cheers boys.
Beautiful bike and spot on attitude towards cycling 🤘
Year 2030, Bike industry marketers and influencers: "We are releasing a new lighter, easier to maintain cross platform braking system , behold the rim brake..."
These things come in cycles :D Ill get my coat .....
Really like this video! I have the newer vxrs still as my winter bike (great, apart from the headset). I love it when people scoff at the "need" (fallen for marketing and influencers) for a gravel bike etc. my brother loves gravel riding, so I take the pee by riding my Venge with 25mm
honestly, I'd much rather have a brake system that'll wear out a bolt-on metal rotor than the rim itself. this alone is a dealbreaker for rim brakes IMO
@@deabreu.tattoo I’d rather spend 800-1000 usd (have you checked rim brake wheel prices lately? people can’t wait to get rid of them) when my brake track wears out (which happens what? every 3 years with 8k miles a year?) than buy the latest and greatest every year and spend multiple times that 😂
@@deabreu.tattoo I've got 15 years (at least 30k miles) on a pair of Mavic Ksyrium Equipes (the cheap ones) and the braking surfaces are totally fine.
I'm a Campy guy, too, having both 10 and 11 speed groupos. The 10 speed is a thing of beauty. So precise and reliable...oh and spare parts available, too.
Someone should tell Simon to his delight, that there's still plenty of rim brake rims out there, and thanks to dork discs on wheels, it's a buyers market for rim brake wheels. I'm loving it!
Love it! A no BS solid ride.
"Of course I still ride it cause it still works!". Legend.
Hilarious interaction, love it 😀
Finally on this channel, beautiful bike from superb brand 👍
So fantastic to see a rim brakes bicycle on this channel. Disc brakes ruined the look, the weight and the aerodynamic of bicycles. Disc brakes the biggest marketing gimmick.
David obviously feeling the gaze of the bike industry
I am?
Just bought one of these time vx edge, happened to turn up in my local gumtree.
A beautiful, light and easy going bike.
I had that Chorus before the bike got stolen. The new version on my bike seems faster and more aero but I miss the looks a bit. A bit of a shame Campag Chorus only lasts 19 years and counting. That lack of reliability keeps me awake at nights.I suffer in silence. If only I'd gone Shim.
Still have my Time VRX from 2003 running campy Record 10speed. Mine is mint condition. Still love riding it. Time made the best stuff back in the day.
I couldn't agree more with most of Simon's opinions, and his bike is really really beautiful too.
I have the same Campagnolo Shamal Mille wheelset. They are lightweight, sexy with ceramic bearings and carbon hub bodies. What makes them really special is the brake track is black⚫️ and has a special machined breaking surface that improves braking significantly over other common alloy rim brakes. I get lots of compliments on them and most people mistaken them for shallow carbon wheels. They retailed for close to $2,000 USD and are no longer made. If you can find any in great condition, snatch them up and you won't regret it!
So good to see someone with some sense, and what a bike!
An amazing French Italian piece of artwork! Simple lines clean cut and potent uphill. Time is timeless. Love the carbon weave design. In-house and made In France. Pure style.
love the details ... red break-/shifting-cable end-caps, red bar-tape-caps ... great looking machine, classy rider.
Classic! Gorgeous! Timeless! 👍🏻
I agree the Industry is what really has changed bikes into what they look like now. I’m not against disc brakes and tubeless tires… BUT! I think it’s really endurance/gravel bikes tech shoved into race/lightweight bikes. I opted to just keep my rim brake old tech bike and bought a gravel bike for the wider tires and higher gearing
This is the best conversation ever 🤣
My fancy carbon Trek road bike is down for the count with a crack in the frame.
So I’m on my backup bike, a 1994 Specialized alu frame I bought ten years ago. I’ve added various old and a few reasonably new components over time.
It’s set up for down tube shifting. The carbon wheels are off of the Trek.
With a heavy Vuelta crankset, the weight is 8.3kg, as light in weight as some modern bikes with disc wheels, 32mm and wider tires and electronic shifting.
I think my Frankenstein Spesh looks good and I love the way it rides, which is why I gave a thumbs-up to the vid! 😉
Great video Dave. Amazing looking bike. Nicest bike on your channel. Rim brakes for the win
Mr. Warren obviously knows what's what. Great video!
Love it. Still riding my 2004 Specialized Allez Comp Cro-Mo steel bike. Upgraded with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic's, it still comes in at about 19lbs. Not super light, but light enough for me and it rides smooth as butter. With rim brakes of course.
Classic design sweet, reminds me of the yellow pages advert. Pure pleasure and not pretentious 🥰😘
"nobody ever didn't stop, did they?" 😂
That is probably the best bicycle shown on this channel for years. A bicycle setup by someone who used his years of experience to find out what works best for him instead of just believing the sales gimmicks the marketing departments at the bike companies come up with. He gave you a good class, learn from it.
Lol...I'm looking forward to the podcast series "Retro Lounge with Dave and Simon". Simon picks the bike industry rant topic from listener submissions. Sponsorship might be a challenge though. 🤔 😉 Seriously though, lovely machine, and I applaud Simon's frugal approach with his at-home trickle-down tech scheme. That's something we can all relate to. 👍
The sponsorship could come from the small-scale and custom builders who will be the ones supplying frames to those that still want the purist rim build, it's not a small contingent...there's a growing trend of riders wanting this supposed 'oldSkool' equipment, even those that have had multiple disc bikes and find them a bit 'meh.
Still riding my 11 yr old rim brake Spesh Roubaix. Finally replaced the Ultegra 10spd 6700 group set with a mix of 11spd Ultegra, GRX and 105 - had to get creative with our pandemic supply chain challenges - point being the R7000 105 rim brakes cost $75.00 USD for the pair (new in the box from my LBS) and are amazing stoppers, easy to install/maintain and will last me quite some time. I'm certainly not against innovation, in fact I think it's great and good for anyone who can afford it and the trickle-down of the tech to lower price point product, but the prices are mind boggling. When Trek establishes it's own financing offering in order to move it's inventory you have to wonder.
Brilliant video.... maybe a few companies should see it! ;-)
Simon is completly right about modern bikes
Love it, I got inspired to get another bike so I can shuffle down parts! I also agree, disc brakes are a marketing scheme, but I guess it is nice to only need to change the rotor instead of the expensive wheels even tough they are also expensive!
I still love the look of a nice light set bike infact I've got one myself. I do enjoy the braking of my newer disc bike it just works all weather albeit a bit mousey at times. There is a compromise with the extra weight though.
I agree that 28c is a joke haha.
I'm with Mr. Warren here, All I need now is a couple of skyhooks and anti-gravity wheels and I'll follow him!
I wish more bike companies would sell bikes like this, no nonsense and away you go.
Mr Warren's comments are spot on, the mainstream industry is going to loose out on a lot of customers if it fails to continue supporting this way of thinking. I have a bike like that and see no point in spending over double what I paid for it for something a kg heavier with worse ride quality and more maintenance faff. These Time frames are classic and IMO among a handful of the best frames ever made, I'd rather ride something like that than any modern disced monstrosity.
I don't know, I think the cycling connoisseurs are a pretty small minority compared to ignorant new consumers of cycling products who have zero context or enough experience actually riding and racing bicycles to feel they are losing out by adopting mechanical shifting/rim brake bikes.
Fantastic bike!
That crankset is so much better looking than anything you can buy today.
Beautiful machine. Nicest bike you have shown. Simon is a straight shooter. This is so much more relatable than the the latest this and that. I think you could really build on this video by doing more similar. Interview riders who love their older bikes and take the pressure off us all to 'upgrade' and encourage us to run what we have. lets get out and ride. Thanks for a great vid👍
Brilliant! Smashed every marketing cliche out the water! Show me a disc brake aero machine under 6.8kg for less than £10k…it will all gone back around in circles as we’re already starting to see with the Aethos but silly money
David just nodding his head going “Riiiiiigggghhht” 😂
Sound like, he likes his bike. It does what he wants it to do and does it well. It's a super nice bike. It's a keeper.
Amazing!!!! i wanna see his 1st /race bike....pls pls pls part 2....
My 12 year old Roubaix is perfect, thank you very much.
Stunning bike , the great Tom Boonen won many a race on a Time.
1:27 my thoughts exactly on disc brakes! Nothing particularly against them but I incrementally upgrade my bikes rather than buying new ones, and you can't retrofit disc brakes (not safely anyway).
So if and when I buy a new road bike it will probably be a disc model and I'm OK with that. Until then, I'll be fine with rim brakes!
Totally agree, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I'm firmly in the disc brake camp for off road riding, but on the road I see no need for anything more than rims brakes. They're plenty powerful enough to lock up the wheels, so the limiting factor when it comes to stopping is the grip between the tyres and road....not the ultimate power of your brakes.
There's a simple elegance to bikes of this era and earlier, they just work, and are easy and relatively cheap to maintain.
Not sure my knees could manage those gears these days though!
Beautiful bike.
Right on Simon I'm with you all the way! That TIME bike is for real men! David try that gearing on your newer frames and we'll see how much you'll be able to take! Riding gearing like that all the time will turn you into an animal, looks like you can use a good dose of a SUPER HARD WORK-OUT! I'm in the process of ordering up a new STEEL ROCKET frameset, it'll be a hybrid TRACK road ROAD Bike Basically a track frame with all the needed road bike bits and pieces, it'll be tight! quick! and fast! It'll climb like a bat out of hell, It'll cut up the down hill run! The biggest problem will be the fork crown tire clearance running over fresh asphalt and you'll get lock up in an instant so we'll need to modify the fork crown. It was roughly 30 years ago when I first rode such a bike and boy it was SCARY! Soon after I settled in with the bike then I was good with it. TECH on this new bike will be 80's/90's! Yes older tech than the TIME Bicycle.
Disk brakes just will not cut the cake for me they look and sound ugly. Old school CALIPERS are still good stoppers and will have great sex appeal which is a plus the overall looks of the bike.
Modern day drive trains Alpine gearing on a road bike just looks GOD awful with that huge lower pulley it's like sticking an old school steel spoked tractor wheel on a Ferrari! I'll joke around with some of the cyclist here in Holland! What's up with the MT bike gearing on a road bike it's flat here so why would you need such gearing, you can see it in their eyes they are fuming.
$ 300.00 PLUS Saddles, $ 50.00 plus Handlebar tape and so on not for me!
Rim forever❣️
I've still got the road bike I bought in 1986 its nice to ride.
Great bike!
Simon’s bike is a dream! Time make fantastic frames and its no mistake that the bike is still a great bike many years after it was made! I agree with Simon rim brakes are best for road bikes and Time frames are the best carbon fiber frames bar none!
I live in N.E. Italy 🇮🇹. Lots o ‘Dicd brake’ bikes rollin these roads…but you seriously do not need them. Ride what you like, but if you want to roll with me leave the b/s behind and keep up. Tubular 38mm cf rims, mechanical 11spd Campangolo, 7kg all in and NO B/S. Live large dream bigger!!
Wonderful video!
I feel as if I’m seeing my older self. I have a bike much similar to Simon a Cinelli naked carbon with Campy Chorus and it’s almost 13yrs old now. Still my main bike.
I also have the exact same philosophy like Simon, buy the newest bit for the main bike and give an upgrade to the next in line.
Love this guy.
I just love Time bikes !
6.5kg is light in my eyes.My carbon bike is 8kg.I have a 1992 steel bike with 2008 Dura ace on it that i rode most of last summer on weight is 9.3kg but has compact gears 50/34 & 11/28 10 speed.One of my carbon bikes a Daccordi roll over has climbing gears for the lakes & scotland so i have 50/34 & a 11/34 cassette.
Properbike ridden by a proper cyclist. Love the books Simon.
Put a set of deep carbon wheels and great tires on this bike and it could race in the world tour without skipping a beat. The aero gains from a frameset alone are very low. This Time is ready to rock.
Can relate to almost everything said.