I'll let you know. I worked with Jason from Infinit Aus to make that mix based on what I wanted, I'll ask him if there's an easier way you guys can order it without having to mess around with the sliders, which is honestly very confusing.
This is the product I used. I made mine using the sliders but this is the same thing in a pre-made formula because a lot of people were asking for the same thing: www.infinitnutrition.com.au/shop-infinit/premium-fuel-fructose-blend.html Salted Caramel flavour was good, not very sweet. I like sweet drinks but I was a nice break from my sugar bottle. Select the 90g mix option which makes it 90g per serve which is essentially the same as Beta Fuel. Sorry don't have a code or anything. If you order it tell them I sent you maybe they'll give me one in the future
The best thing I’ve done during endurance rides is that after every 5 minutes I’m out of the saddle for 60 seconds. It’s helped so much with my climbing ability and being able to be efficient while out of the saddle.
I think getting out of the saddle every so often is great for many other reasons too, although a full minute is probably too long every 5mins. The only real downside is that studies show that your HR and energy expenditure spike when riding out of the saddle for a given power compared to remaining seated (ie it’s less efficient). However the many advantages probably outweigh this: it works different muscle groups, giving your muscles a rest, it gives you a mental break and helps keep you engaged, it helps you mix up and break your cadence which can otherwise steadily fall, and i find personally it can help just deliver a little adrenaline spike/release that helps to keep the power up.
This technique was game changer for me. Generally i would stay in the saddle for the first half of the climb than 5 minute/ 1 minute out works wonder for me.
Thank you jesse, you are spot on ! I did stelvio,gavia and mortirolo in one day,the conditions were attrocious snow and rain and i had a flu that just woulnt go. I used all the stuff you mentioned. The two most critical were core temp and getting comfotable out of the saddle. Sincs you have given so many excellent tip,one of my favs on really steep climbs is to NOT look up! Thanks for tip about liquid carbs tip- this is really good. I have seen lots of YT vids and you are the real deal.
I think you’re overly dismissive of the heart rate value. As long as you accept there is a range that may be even as much as 15 bpm and you’ve got a little bit of experience from looking at it in different situations, it’s still very valuable as a measure of how your engine is performing. Your always going to have to temper anything you use by how you’re feeling, including power. Loving how your videos make me think. Great insights on tactics and head games too!
I'm thinking the same. You shouldn't freak out over day-to-day heart rate vs. power ratios etc., but overall I still feel like heart rate is the best proxy for how stressful an endurance ride is on my body. For example, currently I'm doing a heat training block and during the heat sessions my heart rate is a lot higher than normal for a given power output... and so is my perceived exertion / stress, both in my legs and "central". Now instead of letting my heart rate drift into tempo territory for most of the session, I drop the power to very low Z2 when I reach target temperature range. This keeps perceived exertion and heart rate on a moderate endurance level and because I'm doing 6 weekly sessions in the block that's what I'm aiming for. Of course dedicated heat training is a somewhat extreme example, but I think also in normal outdoor training a very noticeable heart rate drift (e.g. heart rate drifting into tempo zone) during endurance riding should make you think about dropping the power a little bit, unless you really want to bury yourself. Or if you suspect it's due to overheating, underhydrating or not relaxing enough etc. then of course try to fix that first. But that's just the opinion I ended up with due to observing my bodily sensations and parameters during and after my own endurance rides.
I look at HR all the time, especially after a ride. But in this vid I was just referring to this situation doing a max effort up a climb climb, not endurance rides or other situations where it can definitely be useful
Saw you and Chris last Sunday near Perisher. You were climbing, we were going back down. There was also a nice little tailwind on the climb, which helps to climb faster! It was nice to see you in person after watching your videos for the last couple of months. Keep up the great work!
The thing about thermoregulation is fit your bike with a detachable rear fender so you don't cop water spray on your back. Also protect your feet from water spray. Boot covers or coat your boots with silicone. Dissolve silicone into white spirits and paint your boots with it with a paint brush. Also wear good wool socks.
Jesse, your take on things, point after point, shows more common sense and intelligence per square inch than I usually find anywhere. You make 'em rise up and fall back, ha. Great job. Thanks.
The only reason I was able to come back on GC and do a pb by over a minute on the last stage of my local stage race was because I climbed the 7% climb 2.5km 80% of the time in the saddle wayyy above my threshold at about 350 watts. I went full gas for thst 8:59. Previous pb was 10:13. I got the third fastest time but still managed to snatch the gc from the heavier guys then. Climbing out of the saddle is normal now because the closest mountain climb has 12-20% pinches around every corner and is 10 usually on the straights.
Such a great and insightful video! It doesn't apply to me as I'm at the very beginning level of cycling, but it really shows how to think and plan a big challenge, no matter what it is!
Thanks for the video, good tips! Can you make another video talking about cycling while standing up instead of sitting in the saddle? That part intrigued me.
I live in somewhat warmer climes, but often ride up to 5,000' or so. It's MUCH cooler and shadier up there, so a drop of 15-20 degrees is not unheard of. Cooling off, fueling up, and preparing to 'rip it' (50/55mph+) coming down is to be expected. So is freezing on the descent, if your top is still moist from the climb. I usually just take AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE TOP. I remove the soaked top, then I just put on a clean, dry long-sleeved synthetic for the descent. Sorry, forgot to mention that I roll WITH pack, Camel-bak, so I DO have some storage room, unlike those who just roll kits.
Hah. I started out riding by commuting on an old hybrid on a hilly road (Trapelo Road in Waltham/Lexington, MA) and learned a lot of these tips the hard way.
Interesting assessment of what you make of having your Heart rate on the head unit. Personally I don’t get too distracted having my heart rate on because it allows me to think in a certain perspective of ‘right you still have 10-15 bpms to work with until you’re on your limit’
If you can ignore it on your screen, that's okay. But part of the problem is the HR where you will be "on your limit" can vary, depending on a whole heap of factors. I'm not exaggerating, some days if I'm very fresh and riding in the heat my HR at FTP is 185 BPM, other weeks when I'm fatigued it could be 178 BPM. So looking at HR often ends up just causing more issues that it solves, and your perceived exertion can often be a better gauge of your effort level.
I have mixed thoughts on this one, I do find that my threshold HR is pretty consistent around 165bpm for me personally, and I know that if I’m above this that I’m going to blow up if I don’t back off. But equally I appreciate that HR has lag, and can vary on weather and hydration conditions etc. I think the trouble with monitoring any kind of metric such as HR or power is that they can both cause you extra cognitive load and stop you simply riding to RPE - they may cause you to back off an effort when actually you could have sustained it. I think this is true for power as well as HR though - we like to think that power is completely objective but as a functional measure our deliverable power for a given duration is going to vary day on day based on our fatigue levels, just as HR will
HR often brings up more questions than power though. Why is my HR not going up? Why is my HR so high? Why is my HR spiking when out of the saddle? Etc and that throws the focus for a lot of riders. I see it constantly with riders I coach, throws them off their game. I'd say looking at HR when doing efforts should be for more experienced riders who can assess the situation and have nuance, whereas newer riders are better off just sticking to power which raises less questions
@@nerocoaching this is what im experiencing at the moment. Sometimes it’s way low or sometimes when i ride with the same effort my hr is too high and wont go down easily. Sometimes just a minute or recovery it’ll go down way too fast. I don’t have a power meter yet hopefully soon together with a new crankset and shorter crank arms. And the reason i also commented is about my cadence. I wont go up 60rpm on a maybe 2.5km climb with 10% average gradient. I’m kinda new to cycling just started last year. My only issue is my cadence when climbing i cant get it up to at least 80rpm. I was thinking maybe it’s my crank arms as i am using a 172.5 arms that’s why i want to change it to 165mm and thinking maybe it could help lol. Please advice. Thank you!
Hi Jesse, Thanks for this. Quick one - In a fast road race and when approaching a 30min climb ( 4% - 13% gradient) with minimum flat sections? How should one go about this when the pace is determined by the faster/ stronger riders? Should one be alternating between the chainring or immediately go with smaller chainring and play around with rear cassete regardless whether sitting or standing. I want to avoid getting dropped.
As far as I understand the studies, carbs rinsing works makes sense if it is instead of carbs ingesting (to avoid GI distress). If we ingest carbs anyway, rinsing is not necessary. Am I wrong?
The mechanism that carb mouth rinsing improves performance is through the stimulus it gives in the brain after being detected in the mouth, regardless of if you end up swallowing the carbs or not. So if you hold the carbs in your mouth for 10s before swallowing you get performance improvement via the stimulus to the brain, then the main metabolic/fuelling benefit.
@@nerocoaching Yeah. But is still keeping 10s in mouth needed if the fluid is ingested anyway? Studies I've read were based on this 5-10 s time, but the fluid was finally spat out.. So this 5-10 was used just to make sure, but is it really necessary? If the carbs are ingested, stimulus is delivered to the brain anyway... But I might be wrong. Just thinking.
Thanks Jesse. As an overweight non-climber I really appreciated this advice and it's given me some specific tactics to employ on the group rides I participate in. Transitioning my 'headspace' from HR focus (mid '90's) to power (Assioma Duos!), your advice re HR field on the head unit has been taken. Cheers.
Some great information there Jesse .. Being that I’m 90kg I prefer to sit and climb /when I compete in road and mtb - I was only thinking last week I should train to stand and be out of the saddle as well.. I use the infinite as well - it’s a great blend but I’ll def be looking at trying the sugar only blend shortly .. be sure to try his MUD blend - it’s bloody good . Judd ..
Why is heart rate useless? You say, that the power target needs to be adjusted if you're tired. Wouldn't therefore your heart rate be a better indicator, how much you can push and how much you still have left in the tank?
I'll let you know. I worked with Jason from Infinit Aus to make that mix based on what I wanted, I'll ask him if there's an easier way you guys can order it without having to mess around with the sliders, which is honestly very confusing.
This is the product I used. I made mine using the sliders but this is the same thing in a pre-made formula because a lot of people were asking for the same thing: www.infinitnutrition.com.au/shop-infinit/premium-fuel-fructose-blend.html Salted Caramel flavour was good, not very sweet. I like sweet drinks but I was a nice break from my sugar bottle. Select the 90g mix option which makes it 90g per serve which is essentially the same as Beta Fuel.
I think you may be mixing terms. I don’t believe you can reduce power by riding at a higher cadence while maintaining to same speed. What you are reducing is the rotational force not the power. Would be great if someone could confirm my understanding of the numbers.
You are right, I was saying you should reduce power spikes to save energy, and also avoid riding a big gear up short rises which unnecessarily increases fatigue
There is a reduction in the energy cost to the body due to muscles having an efficient range somewhere between higher-force lower-speed, and lower-force higher-speed. So there is a reduction in power input from the metabolic side. When I first got a power meter it showed my preference was 85 rpm. Then I tried higher cadence and surprisingly found it easier to hold the same power (or capable of holding higher power for longer) at 95 rpm. Now my rides average 95, sometimes 100 and I am breaking old PB's.
Great video! Can you explain more about the maltodextrin mix, I bought some really cheap, but do you have to mix it with fructose? Or can u use it alone for rides?
I'm sure Jesse will jump in and correct anything I get wrong but I'm going to try and answer from what I've learned from Jesse's channel; If you've got straight maltodextrin, that's glucose, one of the sugars. It's fine to use on it's own but the amount of carbohydrate you can absorb in one form of sugar will be less than if you combine different sugars. So, maltodextrin and fructose together will allow you to have a stronger mix or greater amount of carbohydrate in your bottle and your body will be able to absorb it. This probably says it best; th-cam.com/video/vT-PBsSLX3U/w-d-xo.html
I would say that "dont look at HR" is usable only for a high leval athletes. What about these that start lets say 250 watt at 170HR and after 10 minutes of 250w the HR goes above 175.....and then half hour later same 250watt will give a 175-178 bpm, which is a high Zone5 with huge lactation. So I pace by the watts by HR shows me where I am: zone4, LTHR or Zone5 getting lactates that make a huge degrade in performance as the time passes. What to do in these situations ?
That increase in HR at the same power output occurs for elite and amateurs, everyone has to deal with that problem. Pacing on HR won't solve that either, because you start the effort at zone 4 HR- you aren't going to lower the power output just to keep your HR in zone 4. It's normal that HR may drift up into zone 5, that's expected and okay. That's why I said power alone shouldn't be used, it should be combined with effort level (RPE). You should be constantly re-assessing the power output you are doing based on how hard your feel you are going, and paced based on that.
I can hold a minute out of the saddle with no issues but I find it uses too much power and I'm not going up the hill as fast when compared to being in the saddle. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Obviously I'm looking to sprint up the hill when out of the saddle.
Just wondering why you wouldn't use heart rate as a way of gauging how you are doing, going up a climb? If you know your HR zones wouldn't this be beneficial?
Watching this i have in May uphill race 14km grade avg 7%, hope i will finish race at least not , problem is becouse everyone starting hard at bottom of climb ... any fast tip, i am pace myself preparing for it..
When getting out of the saddle during interval or z2 ride, should we aim to keep power within the target zone or not worry too much? It tends to go above esp. during the endurance rides. Thanks for the tips
Don't worry too much, as long as you can hold the power. Which is part of the problem, people can hold power out of the saddle easily for 20-30 seconds, then they fatigue and need to sit down again. Ideally you can stay out of the saddle longer if need be. So you aren't actually getting any fitter, or doing more power, just more capable out of the saddle.
@@nerocoaching I learned how to pace myself out of the saddle during very hard intervals which lasted like 5 minutes and were 20-30 percent above ftp. It was too much and not possible to complete while only sitting, I needed to get up in the middle and then give my quads some break and continue out of the saddle for at least one minute. After a 2 months ot these ridiculous intervals i was able to pace myself for the whole 5 minutes out of the saddle.
I'm definitely most efficient standing. Or at least I can put out way more power. My best is 380 for 20min but I don't think I can get above 340 seated. But it's not really something I trained it's just always felt most natural to climb out of the saddle 😅
The efficiency difference from cross chaining is negligible. It increases wear and noise a little but these aren’t things to worry about for occasional times, people really worry far too much about cross-chaining and chainline, it’s true marginal gains stuff
I see a lot of riders training for Peaks Challenge/ L’Etape advocating seated climbing as a way of improving strength. Do you agree with that sentiment? Alternatively would you prefer practicing standing for long periods to build strength and climbing ability? Great video, really enjoying the channel
Not quite sure what you mean, climbing isn't related to strength. Although climbing seated is more efficient and requires less energy than standing climbing. But it's still important to develop your ability to climb out if the saddle so you have it as an option as you go up a climb.
I know Im not Jesse but will have a go at answering this. Out of the saddle climbing is more quads dominant whereas when seated you engages more muscles groups i.e. the glutes etc get more involved and therefore for a given power can share the load over more muscles hence feel more relaxed. That said when out of the saddle you can really stomp down on the pedals hence greater max power achievable when standing but fatigue quicker. The fact that nearly all of us have grown up riding bicycles and always going for max power racing our mates meant we have only learnt out of the saddle is for high output efforts and havnt trained for that middle ground. When I first started training myself to do this it was very difficult to not spike power but when I didnt put in the power then my arms took too much load to hold me up. It was only after much practice I found a certain balance or "dance" if you like where I could more readily modulate power whilst out of the saddle and it opened up a big new bit of cycling for me.
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
but the sad truth is, for a weekend recreational cyclist like me who may not have the luxury of time to train like a pro, the faster the cadence, the higher my heart rate would rise .. it will not take long before i'll go into the red before i even reach the summit ..
Yes exactly right, you need to ride in your optimal cadence range, which is what will naturally feel best for you. In my first point I wasn't talking about cadence in the final climb, it was cadence up the short rises before the climb where people tend to ride a bigger gear and do too high a power than is neccessary.
You may prefer it (I do too) since it allows you to put more force through the pedals for example and puts less stress on your core and back, but in terms of energetic expenditure studies show it’s less efficient (you burn more energy and run a higher heart rate/internal load for a given power output or pace)
First time seeing this channel. However, I find all of you fail to address the issue of weight and how it is a major factor with cycling, especially climbing. You also fail to talk about gear ratios for effective and efficient climbing, only high cadence, which is determined by the gear ratios used. Please expand your comments to consider these factors, thereby, catering for all type of cyclists, not just small light ones. Thank you.
A few reasons, firstly it's too variable day to day, week to week, depending on conditions, etc to give a stable enough value to pace off. By the time your factor that in, you may as well just use your perceived effort level it will be a better guage. Plus a lot of riders find looking at HR is just confusing, why is my HR not going up? Does this mean I'm not climbing well? Why is my HR so high?... More often than not it just plays with people's heads and isn't actually helping them climb faster
Things like caffeine, temperature, fatigue or even the adrenaline of an event can all affect your HR. Also HR isn’t responsive, if you’re training zone 2 it takes around 5 minutes or more for your HR to catch-up. Power is a lot more dependable cause it’s instant and doesn’t have variables. The head coach of the Australian rowing team actually banned HR monitors because one of the athletes backed off because his HR was “too high” at a certain point in the race.
Can you hook us up with a link or how you setup the sliders on your Infinit Custom Blend?
I'll let you know. I worked with Jason from Infinit Aus to make that mix based on what I wanted, I'll ask him if there's an easier way you guys can order it without having to mess around with the sliders, which is honestly very confusing.
@@nerocoaching A promo code for it would be nice too. wiink wink
This is the product I used. I made mine using the sliders but this is the same thing in a pre-made formula because a lot of people were asking for the same thing: www.infinitnutrition.com.au/shop-infinit/premium-fuel-fructose-blend.html
Salted Caramel flavour was good, not very sweet. I like sweet drinks but I was a nice break from my sugar bottle. Select the 90g mix option which makes it 90g per serve which is essentially the same as Beta Fuel.
Sorry don't have a code or anything. If you order it tell them I sent you maybe they'll give me one in the future
Well explained. Thanks.
@@nerocoaching I love infinit custom blend. I use it for fondo or century rides in zwifts
The best thing I’ve done during endurance rides is that after every 5 minutes I’m out of the saddle for 60 seconds. It’s helped so much with my climbing ability and being able to be efficient while out of the saddle.
I think getting out of the saddle every so often is great for many other reasons too, although a full minute is probably too long every 5mins. The only real downside is that studies show that your HR and energy expenditure spike when riding out of the saddle for a given power compared to remaining seated (ie it’s less efficient). However the many advantages probably outweigh this: it works different muscle groups, giving your muscles a rest, it gives you a mental break and helps keep you engaged, it helps you mix up and break your cadence which can otherwise steadily fall, and i find personally it can help just deliver a little adrenaline spike/release that helps to keep the power up.
Spot on X X, agree with this. Well said
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This technique was game changer for me. Generally i would stay in the saddle for the first half of the climb than 5 minute/ 1 minute out works wonder for me.
Thank you jesse, you are spot on ! I did stelvio,gavia and mortirolo in one day,the conditions were attrocious snow and rain and i had a flu that just woulnt go. I used all the stuff you mentioned. The two most critical were core temp and getting comfotable out of the saddle. Sincs you have given so many excellent tip,one of my favs on really steep climbs is to NOT look up! Thanks for tip about liquid carbs tip- this is really good. I have seen lots of YT vids and you are the real deal.
Great set of tips Jesse. I think this is the first video (of many on YT) about how to climb faster without increasing fitness that delivered.
I think you’re overly dismissive of the heart rate value. As long as you accept there is a range that may be even as much as 15 bpm and you’ve got a little bit of experience from looking at it in different situations, it’s still very valuable as a measure of how your engine is performing. Your always going to have to temper anything you use by how you’re feeling, including power. Loving how your videos make me think. Great insights on tactics and head games too!
I'm thinking the same. You shouldn't freak out over day-to-day heart rate vs. power ratios etc., but overall I still feel like heart rate is the best proxy for how stressful an endurance ride is on my body.
For example, currently I'm doing a heat training block and during the heat sessions my heart rate is a lot higher than normal for a given power output... and so is my perceived exertion / stress, both in my legs and "central". Now instead of letting my heart rate drift into tempo territory for most of the session, I drop the power to very low Z2 when I reach target temperature range. This keeps perceived exertion and heart rate on a moderate endurance level and because I'm doing 6 weekly sessions in the block that's what I'm aiming for.
Of course dedicated heat training is a somewhat extreme example, but I think also in normal outdoor training a very noticeable heart rate drift (e.g. heart rate drifting into tempo zone) during endurance riding should make you think about dropping the power a little bit, unless you really want to bury yourself. Or if you suspect it's due to overheating, underhydrating or not relaxing enough etc. then of course try to fix that first.
But that's just the opinion I ended up with due to observing my bodily sensations and parameters during and after my own endurance rides.
I look at HR all the time, especially after a ride. But in this vid I was just referring to this situation doing a max effort up a climb climb, not endurance rides or other situations where it can definitely be useful
@@nerocoaching Alright, I agree on that it's pretty useless in that situation. Thanks for your response!
@@ithanil4429 Thanks so much for your thoughts. This channel is a great learning experience and conversation.
Man, Thanks Jesse for this adding to my list how i climb in pace and not getting tired.
9:49 good tip matching how you feel to your wattage output for a sustainable climbing rhythm.
Saw you and Chris last Sunday near Perisher. You were climbing, we were going back down. There was also a nice little tailwind on the climb, which helps to climb faster! It was nice to see you in person after watching your videos for the last couple of months. Keep up the great work!
The thing about thermoregulation is fit your bike with a detachable rear fender so you don't cop water spray on your back. Also protect your feet from water spray. Boot covers or coat your boots with silicone. Dissolve silicone into white spirits and paint your boots with it with a paint brush. Also wear good wool socks.
Jesse, your take on things, point after point, shows more common sense and intelligence per square inch than I usually find anywhere. You make 'em rise up and fall back, ha. Great job. Thanks.
Very high IQ/kg coaching advice
What a helpful video. Saving it to my favorites to re-watch multiple times, especially before a hilly race.
Re watch it now!
I found this really interesting, and super helpful for the stage of cycling that I'm currently at. Thanks Jesse, much appreciated.
provided tons of useful information, thank you! get to 10k soon!
Wow, that's the ultimate clickbait title. I'm in!
Me to
It's only clickbait if the vid under-delivers 😎
@@nerocoaching Nope, definitely delivered the goods on this one
@@nerocoaching 😎
The only reason I was able to come back on GC and do a pb by over a minute on the last stage of my local stage race was because I climbed the 7% climb 2.5km 80% of the time in the saddle wayyy above my threshold at about 350 watts. I went full gas for thst 8:59. Previous pb was 10:13. I got the third fastest time but still managed to snatch the gc from the heavier guys then. Climbing out of the saddle is normal now because the closest mountain climb has 12-20% pinches around every corner and is 10 usually on the straights.
Such a great and insightful video! It doesn't apply to me as I'm at the very beginning level of cycling, but it really shows how to think and plan a big challenge, no matter what it is!
Hey mate, thanks for the bud, we use the base layers in Singapore to reduce getting burnt from the 38degree sun.
Does he sell weed?
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It grows all year round mate 😅
Is there a training/diet program to follow? Thanks.
Thanks for the video, good tips! Can you make another video talking about cycling while standing up instead of sitting in the saddle? That part intrigued me.
I live in somewhat warmer climes, but often ride up to 5,000' or so. It's MUCH cooler and shadier up there, so a drop of 15-20 degrees is not unheard of. Cooling off, fueling up, and preparing to 'rip it' (50/55mph+) coming down is to be expected. So is freezing on the descent, if your top is still moist from the climb. I usually just take AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE TOP. I remove the soaked top, then I just put on a clean, dry long-sleeved synthetic for the descent. Sorry, forgot to mention that I roll WITH pack, Camel-bak, so I DO have some storage room, unlike those who just roll kits.
Hah. I started out riding by commuting on an old hybrid on a hilly road (Trapelo Road in Waltham/Lexington, MA) and learned a lot of these tips the hard way.
Very informative tips that I can incorporate to my training. Thanks
Interesting assessment of what you make of having your Heart rate on the head unit. Personally I don’t get too distracted having my heart rate on because it allows me to think in a certain perspective of ‘right you still have 10-15 bpms to work with until you’re on your limit’
If you can ignore it on your screen, that's okay. But part of the problem is the HR where you will be "on your limit" can vary, depending on a whole heap of factors. I'm not exaggerating, some days if I'm very fresh and riding in the heat my HR at FTP is 185 BPM, other weeks when I'm fatigued it could be 178 BPM.
So looking at HR often ends up just causing more issues that it solves, and your perceived exertion can often be a better gauge of your effort level.
I have mixed thoughts on this one, I do find that my threshold HR is pretty consistent around 165bpm for me personally, and I know that if I’m above this that I’m going to blow up if I don’t back off. But equally I appreciate that HR has lag, and can vary on weather and hydration conditions etc. I think the trouble with monitoring any kind of metric such as HR or power is that they can both cause you extra cognitive load and stop you simply riding to RPE - they may cause you to back off an effort when actually you could have sustained it. I think this is true for power as well as HR though - we like to think that power is completely objective but as a functional measure our deliverable power for a given duration is going to vary day on day based on our fatigue levels, just as HR will
HR often brings up more questions than power though. Why is my HR not going up? Why is my HR so high? Why is my HR spiking when out of the saddle? Etc and that throws the focus for a lot of riders. I see it constantly with riders I coach, throws them off their game. I'd say looking at HR when doing efforts should be for more experienced riders who can assess the situation and have nuance, whereas newer riders are better off just sticking to power which raises less questions
@@nerocoaching this is what im experiencing at the moment. Sometimes it’s way low or sometimes when i ride with the same effort my hr is too high and wont go down easily. Sometimes just a minute or recovery it’ll go down way too fast. I don’t have a power meter yet hopefully soon together with a new crankset and shorter crank arms.
And the reason i also commented is about my cadence. I wont go up 60rpm on a maybe 2.5km climb with 10% average gradient. I’m kinda new to cycling just started last year. My only issue is my cadence when climbing i cant get it up to at least 80rpm. I was thinking maybe it’s my crank arms as i am using a 172.5 arms that’s why i want to change it to 165mm and thinking maybe it could help lol. Please advice. Thank you!
Very good information and incredible street cred! Thank yoy!
Hey Jesse, thanks for the great tips in your videos! Hope you continue. Maybe you could do a video on how to choose a cycling coach?
Wtf only 12k subs? After the quality of this video, I was expecting 100k+.
Hi Jesse,
Thanks for this.
Quick one - In a fast road race and when approaching a 30min climb ( 4% - 13% gradient) with minimum flat sections? How should one go about this when the pace is determined by the faster/ stronger riders? Should one be alternating between the chainring or immediately go with smaller chainring and play around with rear cassete regardless whether sitting or standing. I want to avoid getting dropped.
Thanks! Awesome content 👍🏼
Awesome Jesse, great video, thanks for the tips!
Thank you so much for your advice 🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️
As far as I understand the studies, carbs rinsing works makes sense if it is instead of carbs ingesting (to avoid GI distress). If we ingest carbs anyway, rinsing is not necessary. Am I wrong?
The mechanism that carb mouth rinsing improves performance is through the stimulus it gives in the brain after being detected in the mouth, regardless of if you end up swallowing the carbs or not. So if you hold the carbs in your mouth for 10s before swallowing you get performance improvement via the stimulus to the brain, then the main metabolic/fuelling benefit.
@@nerocoaching Yeah. But is still keeping 10s in mouth needed if the fluid is ingested anyway? Studies I've read were based on this 5-10 s time, but the fluid was finally spat out.. So this 5-10 was used just to make sure, but is it really necessary? If the carbs are ingested, stimulus is delivered to the brain anyway... But I might be wrong. Just thinking.
Great vid Jesse love it especially the bit about base layers 😂 never wear one when it warms up, compete BS as you say.
Thanks Jesse. As an overweight non-climber I really appreciated this advice and it's given me some specific tactics to employ on the group rides I participate in. Transitioning my 'headspace' from HR focus (mid '90's) to power (Assioma Duos!), your advice re HR field on the head unit has been taken. Cheers.
Some great information there Jesse .. Being that I’m 90kg I prefer to sit and climb /when I compete in road and mtb - I was only thinking last week I should train to stand and be out of the saddle as well.. I use the infinite as well - it’s a great blend but I’ll def be looking at trying the sugar only blend shortly .. be sure to try his MUD blend - it’s bloody good . Judd ..
Great tips, thanks!
Why is heart rate useless? You say, that the power target needs to be adjusted if you're tired. Wouldn't therefore your heart rate be a better indicator, how much you can push and how much you still have left in the tank?
Hey, can you speak to how someone in the US could go about getting a devel frameset in your team color? Thanks.
Only way to get them is buy them in person in the Phillipines
That infinit Custom Fuel Blend looks pretty interesting! Would you be able to talk about how exactly you configured it for that specific ride?
I'll let you know. I worked with Jason from Infinit Aus to make that mix based on what I wanted, I'll ask him if there's an easier way you guys can order it without having to mess around with the sliders, which is honestly very confusing.
This is the product I used. I made mine using the sliders but this is the same thing in a pre-made formula because a lot of people were asking for the same thing: www.infinitnutrition.com.au/shop-infinit/premium-fuel-fructose-blend.html
Salted Caramel flavour was good, not very sweet. I like sweet drinks but I was a nice break from my sugar bottle. Select the 90g mix option which makes it 90g per serve which is essentially the same as Beta Fuel.
If you order it and want to help me out, tell them I sent you maybe they'll make a discount code in the future I can share
@@nerocoaching thanks Jesse!
I think you may be mixing terms. I don’t believe you can reduce power by riding at a higher cadence while maintaining to same speed. What you are reducing is the rotational force not the power. Would be great if someone could confirm my understanding of the numbers.
You are right, I was saying you should reduce power spikes to save energy, and also avoid riding a big gear up short rises which unnecessarily increases fatigue
There is a reduction in the energy cost to the body due to muscles having an efficient range somewhere between higher-force lower-speed, and lower-force higher-speed. So there is a reduction in power input from the metabolic side. When I first got a power meter it showed my preference was 85 rpm. Then I tried higher cadence and surprisingly found it easier to hold the same power (or capable of holding higher power for longer) at 95 rpm. Now my rides average 95, sometimes 100 and I am breaking old PB's.
Great video! Hey, what road Bike wheels are you using?
Gorgeous Devel Frame 💖
Excellent climbing tips. I like your tip on maximizing carb absorption. Who needs teeth. You can save 50 - 60 grams by losing a mouthful of teeth.
Bingo. False teeth during the day, take them out when riding.
@@nerocoaching Or you skip the teeths 24/7 and show the others that you are real warrior who does not fuck around.
DEVEL GAWD THAT MASTER PIECE
Great video 👍
PH brand represent !
Great video! Can you explain more about the maltodextrin mix, I bought some really cheap, but do you have to mix it with fructose? Or can u use it alone for rides?
I'm sure Jesse will jump in and correct anything I get wrong but I'm going to try and answer from what I've learned from Jesse's channel; If you've got straight maltodextrin, that's glucose, one of the sugars. It's fine to use on it's own but the amount of carbohydrate you can absorb in one form of sugar will be less than if you combine different sugars. So, maltodextrin and fructose together will allow you to have a stronger mix or greater amount of carbohydrate in your bottle and your body will be able to absorb it. This probably says it best; th-cam.com/video/vT-PBsSLX3U/w-d-xo.html
Spot on
He's using Devel Project bikes❤️🔥
Great content…again ✅
i love your frameset where did you bought it?
But my 300lb neighbour with an FTP of 100w said keto is best and push it in the big dog at 40rpm to build strengff.
I have a little ring up front? Who knew?😂😂😂😂😂
Oh look it's D-rider. Dude you seriously need some beef.
Some dude from Oz tells me that shoving bananas up my butt will make me faster 🍑 🍌 💨
I would say that "dont look at HR" is usable only for a high leval athletes.
What about these that start lets say 250 watt at 170HR and after 10 minutes of 250w the HR goes above 175.....and then half hour later same 250watt will give a 175-178 bpm, which is a high Zone5 with huge lactation. So I pace by the watts by HR shows me where I am: zone4, LTHR or Zone5 getting lactates that make a huge degrade in performance as the time passes.
What to do in these situations ?
That increase in HR at the same power output occurs for elite and amateurs, everyone has to deal with that problem. Pacing on HR won't solve that either, because you start the effort at zone 4 HR- you aren't going to lower the power output just to keep your HR in zone 4. It's normal that HR may drift up into zone 5, that's expected and okay.
That's why I said power alone shouldn't be used, it should be combined with effort level (RPE). You should be constantly re-assessing the power output you are doing based on how hard your feel you are going, and paced based on that.
@@nerocoaching thanks for the answer! So it's all down to a Power zone is cycling, even despite the lactate levels drift and change?
Forty minutes from 170 to 178 sounds pretty good to me. Why would it make you give milk?
Can you elaborate on why you say head's-up HR on the Wahoo is useless?
I can hold a minute out of the saddle with no issues but I find it uses too much power and I'm not going up the hill as fast when compared to being in the saddle. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Obviously I'm looking to sprint up the hill when out of the saddle.
Wow, that devel!
Hi, from Philippines
👋
Good advice.
actually good advices.
one of the best videos,,,,(RSA)
Thanks mate
Just wondering why you wouldn't use heart rate as a way of gauging how you are doing, going up a climb? If you know your HR zones wouldn't this be beneficial?
Ayy that devel frame tho 🥵
Thanks
Watching this i have in May uphill race 14km grade avg 7%, hope i will finish race at least not , problem is becouse everyone starting hard at bottom of climb ... any fast tip, i am pace myself preparing for it..
What the drink mix you use for the carbs
When getting out of the saddle during interval or z2 ride, should we aim to keep power within the target zone or not worry too much? It tends to go above esp. during the endurance rides.
Thanks for the tips
Don't worry too much, as long as you can hold the power. Which is part of the problem, people can hold power out of the saddle easily for 20-30 seconds, then they fatigue and need to sit down again. Ideally you can stay out of the saddle longer if need be. So you aren't actually getting any fitter, or doing more power, just more capable out of the saddle.
@@nerocoaching I learned how to pace myself out of the saddle during very hard intervals which lasted like 5 minutes and were 20-30 percent above ftp. It was too much and not possible to complete while only sitting, I needed to get up in the middle and then give my quads some break and continue out of the saddle for at least one minute. After a 2 months ot these ridiculous intervals i was able to pace myself for the whole 5 minutes out of the saddle.
anyone hav recommendation or links for dis 'DOUBLE ZIPPER' gilet??
03:50 i would like to see how you open/close the gilet without taking the hands off the bar ;-)
Haha *both hand
I'm definitely most efficient standing. Or at least I can put out way more power. My best is 380 for 20min but I don't think I can get above 340 seated. But it's not really something I trained it's just always felt most natural to climb out of the saddle 😅
2021 new devel frame??
Why should we take the heart rate off the head unit screen? Can you explain further?
Explained in other comments below
How's the experience of using Filipino brand bike ?
Hey, Re being in the small ring up front, you may have to cross chain, is this acceptable for the time on the climb?
I try to avoid cross chaining wherever possible, but for short periods of time it's all good.
The efficiency difference from cross chaining is negligible. It increases wear and noise a little but these aren’t things to worry about for occasional times, people really worry far too much about cross-chaining and chainline, it’s true marginal gains stuff
I see a lot of riders training for Peaks Challenge/ L’Etape advocating seated climbing as a way of improving strength. Do you agree with that sentiment? Alternatively would you prefer practicing standing for long periods to build strength and climbing ability? Great video, really enjoying the channel
Not quite sure what you mean, climbing isn't related to strength. Although climbing seated is more efficient and requires less energy than standing climbing. But it's still important to develop your ability to climb out if the saddle so you have it as an option as you go up a climb.
I know Im not Jesse but will have a go at answering this. Out of the saddle climbing is more quads dominant whereas when seated you engages more muscles groups i.e. the glutes etc get more involved and therefore for a given power can share the load over more muscles hence feel more relaxed. That said when out of the saddle you can really stomp down on the pedals hence greater max power achievable when standing but fatigue quicker. The fact that nearly all of us have grown up riding bicycles and always going for max power racing our mates meant we have only learnt out of the saddle is for high output efforts and havnt trained for that middle ground. When I first started training myself to do this it was very difficult to not spike power but when I didnt put in the power then my arms took too much load to hold me up. It was only after much practice I found a certain balance or "dance" if you like where I could more readily modulate power whilst out of the saddle and it opened up a big new bit of cycling for me.
How carbs have to ruin my tooth?
Hello im a devel useer.. Just want to know what is the size of your bike and what is your height?
I'm on a 55, 189cm tall
Could you climb without looking at power and still achieve what you are talking about?
of course, the principle is still the same. Be conservative at the start of the climb, don't let adrenaline and ego dictate your pace.
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
which DE of maltodextrin that i must use ?
Not sure, I've never looked into it
@@nerocoaching but when we drink it ? before/during/after workout ?
People on carnivore diet stopped watching @ 4:30 😂
who makes devels bikes?
Satan !
5:06 Is that 100 grams of sugar?
Who won!?
Devel❤️❤️❤️
but the sad truth is, for a weekend recreational cyclist like me who may not have the luxury of time to train like a pro, the faster the cadence, the higher my heart rate would rise .. it will not take long before i'll go into the red before i even reach the summit ..
Yes exactly right, you need to ride in your optimal cadence range, which is what will naturally feel best for you. In my first point I wasn't talking about cadence in the final climb, it was cadence up the short rises before the climb where people tend to ride a bigger gear and do too high a power than is neccessary.
Save your match for the crucial part of the climb where everyone will try to attack.
Then let them attack, wait for them to blow up, mow them down after that ✊
where can i get the frame you're using
Fly to the Phillipines and buy it in person
DEVEL
Devel bike i think they are made here in philippines
Filipino brand made in china
@@nerocoaching oww ok so how was it?
It's very good 👏
What we really want to know is who won the Alpecin-Fenix contract? what's the inside scoop ;)
Great info… where do I send my payment… 🤣🤣🤣🤜🏽🤛🏽
Devel Bike check please
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Devel Philippine Bikes. Nice
Wait, I thought I wanted to get fitter.
Practice climbing like Contador
Interesting. I’m the opposite. Much easier climbing out of the saddle rather than seated
You may prefer it (I do too) since it allows you to put more force through the pedals for example and puts less stress on your core and back, but in terms of energetic expenditure studies show it’s less efficient (you burn more energy and run a higher heart rate/internal load for a given power output or pace)
Devel bikes is a Pinoy brand
First time seeing this channel. However, I find all of you fail to address the issue of weight and how it is a major factor with cycling, especially climbing. You also fail to talk about gear ratios for effective and efficient climbing, only high cadence, which is determined by the gear ratios used. Please expand your comments to consider these factors, thereby, catering for all type of cyclists, not just small light ones. Thank you.
Devel
Why are you advising not to look at heart rate?
A few reasons, firstly it's too variable day to day, week to week, depending on conditions, etc to give a stable enough value to pace off. By the time your factor that in, you may as well just use your perceived effort level it will be a better guage. Plus a lot of riders find looking at HR is just confusing, why is my HR not going up? Does this mean I'm not climbing well? Why is my HR so high?... More often than not it just plays with people's heads and isn't actually helping them climb faster
Things like caffeine, temperature, fatigue or even the adrenaline of an event can all affect your HR. Also HR isn’t responsive, if you’re training zone 2 it takes around 5 minutes or more for your HR to catch-up. Power is a lot more dependable cause it’s instant and doesn’t have variables.
The head coach of the Australian rowing team actually banned HR monitors because one of the athletes backed off because his HR was “too high” at a certain point in the race.
@@nerocoaching I tried climbing without hr, relying only on power and feel. It was such a revelation! Thx a ton
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