How to heal adrenal fatigue by working with stress organs
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- This vlog is all about working at a deeper level to help heal adrenal fatigue/burnout. Adrenal fatigue is something a lot of folks experience and it requires work at the level of what I call the ‘stress organs’. Working at this level helps to heal adrenal fatigue but also helps to heal and overcome the many other chronic conditions that accompany adrenal fatigue.
In this week’s video I explain what working at this level is all about.
ENJOY!
READ THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE BACKGROUND OF THIS VIDEO HERE:
irenelyon.com/2019/11/03/how-...
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Resources I mention during this video:
► Q&A with Irene - Healing Trauma, Anxiety, Cathartic Practices & MORE!
• Q&A with Irene - Heali...
► The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma
www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Sco...
► When the Body Says No: Understanding the Stress-Disease Connection
www.amazon.com/When-Body-Says...
► The Brain's Way of Healing: Remarkable Discoveries and Recoveries from the Frontiers of Neuroplasticity
www.amazon.com/Brains-Way-Hea...
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My website is a wealth of free resources and information on how to start this work, so here it is one more time: irenelyon.com
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Sounds amazing! And it works too. Why people give up is more because of the therapist’s fee. Just going to a session is curative. If it was more affordable it would be less discouraging. You may come out of it a little more healthy but you develop another stress called being broke. Not joking here.
Sylhomeo, Jen here from Team Lyon. I hear you that investing in health can cause stress for some. I wanted to make sure you were aware that Irene offers many free resources. Her paid offers can also be used repeatedly over time, and some cost less than the fee for one session with an experienced practitioner.
I'll share a few links in case you want to learn more. Note that the Essentials for Nervous System Health & Healing is a 4-part series for $77 that's available until tomorrow.
Free Resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources/
Essentials for Nervous System Health & Healing - irenelyon.com/essentials/
Thank you @sylhomeo6351! I get so sad sometimes when I watch some of these videos because I can't afford treatment. I am trying to take advantage of Irene's generous free videos, but, for example, this one, I can try some of the things she is describing, but to really get benefit from it, it sounds like you need a practitioner to guide you. That is the problem with the free resources. But I am trying. I hope things are working our well for you. If you have found things that help you , I would love to hear from you.
I am in the same boat I see this was posted 4 years ago and I cannot afford the program that is offered nor professional help it is extremely discouraging to always have that carrot dangling in front of you and can never have it. yet another stresser. Makes me feel so sad and worthless.
Wow, this was me! Being held down by force in a dental chair as a kid. Thank you for sharing this information! ❤ This explains why detox and adrenal glandulars didn't help me, cause my nervous system was probably so disregulated from early childhood. I grew up in a very dysfunctional family with constant stress and I experienced several big T traumas on the top. I'm so glad I found you, Irene. Everything you are talking about makes so much sense. And now I finally understand myself better and why no therapy/diet changes I have tried in the past never gave me lasting results. It was only symptom based treatment for my nervous system. It's so fascinating to see how our brain works in order to keep us safe and alive. But it's scary to know how we can actually become so used to living in that state, that we don't even recognizes when we are disregulated. 🙉 No wonder we eventually burn out!
Thank you, so valuable. Third degree burns at 3, years that need to be unraveled at soon to be 63. So grateful for this.
also a little trick: warm up a cherry pit pillow, lay flat on the floor with the pillow placed in your kidney area and relax and breathe in softly into your kidneys. It’s so soothing to me.
How do you warm it up usually?
@@djVania08 microwave! A sprinkle a little water on it first
I have a cherry pillow too!
Do you lie on your back and put the pillow under you. Or you lie on your belly
@@RussMalinaI'd say on your belly x
I had my tonsils out when I was three, had thousands of needles stuck in my back to test me for allergies when I was five all the while, growing up with an abusive, explosive angry father, who beat our dog when my mom wasn’t home, I grew up terrified until age 12 when he finally moved out, and had anxiety my entire life because of it. I’m now in my 50s and for the first time in my life I don’t have anxiety but I’m very interested in somatic healing and I appreciate your videos very much!
My body said no when my daughter was born- not an ideal time! I didn’t even recognise until then that I was totally that type a person you mentioned, always pushing myself and not sleeping for years.
Wow! I've been doing something like that, hands on the base of my spine, saying "All is well". Now I have other areas to comfort. Thank you so much!
So great to hear that you're already doing something like this! It can be so powerful...
Thanks for sharing!
Nicole - Team Lyon
For somoeone who was brought up in a culture that doesn't even know about adrenal gland and what's their function. This is like a gust of fresh air.
Great work positive vibe to you
May the peace be with you
The technique you mentioned at the end of the video about an irritated teenager is so similar to how I work with muscle tension with massage clients! Though I call it a tired toddler.
The act of staying still and holding while the muscle resists is so much more effective than pushing through and forcing. Eventually, the tantrum stops, and the muscle changes onit's own, with a little help of course.
I loved listening to you explain this. Thank you as always
This is so helpful . I’ve been seeing a therapist for over a year and you summed up what my gut feeling has been telling me . Yes the therapy has helped allot , but I feel allot of physical symptoms that just thinking a certain way won’t get rid of . Your videos are so helpful . I will continue to watch them .Thank you .
Thankyou. You connected so much. I am going through adrenal crisis. Doctor's and hospital left me without help. You put into words what i knew was going on and gave me clarity on how to heal.
Uggh, they are the WORST! They are purposely behind the times.
Irene, thank you so very much!!! If anything can help me it's your work. I have your 21day program for when I am not just surviving and hanging on for dear life! I believe you are a pioneer of the new generation of trauma healers and I am grateful for the mentors who helped guide you and I'm thankful for their work which gave the trauma world somatic practices, insight on the mind body connection, the polyvagal theory etc. Your work incorporates all of those great people's discoveries and then some...❤🙏
Do you feel better now? Using the program ❤
Yes ❤
Irene - I was yawning like mad, my eyes were streaming & even my nose streaming some watching this. Not only have I been traumatized throughout 30 yrs of lyme, mold, heavy metal toxicity; most days I'm in some degree of freak-out/trauma mode as I try to pull these wicked neurotoxins out of my body.
To deal w/ongoing terror/trauma shld I work this same way - only maybe for longer? I feel like such a freak & such a looser.
Hi Leslie,
Know you're not alone.
My suggestion is to explore Irene's content at a slow pace. Less is so often more with this work. Watch some of the videos and don't hesitate to pause if you feel yourself getting to activated. Instead of pushing through, pause and check in with how you can support yourself.
Irene's courses have helped many who were in similar situations as you. It takes time, but learning how to support yourself in a different way is so worth it in my opinion.
I suggest checking out the Healing Trauma Series if you haven't already and see if it speaks to you. - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Wishing you ease in your journey.
Nicole - Team Lyon
Wishing you love and light. Take things one minute at a time. That is what's helped me.
Hi Leslie I suffer form lyme, mold and pretty much what you explained. You are not alone. I understand though bc no one understand what I deal with and I get treated badly which doesn’t help my stress levels. It’s heart breaking to be mistreated over something we didn’t ask for. I lost my amazing career ten years ago and i had to become a warrior and raise my kids during this time. It has been a hard battle to fight and I would love to find uplifting people who understand and don’t judge. We are not losers or freaks hun but I truly get it but please know we are just as important as anyone else and we deserve a chance too! Hang in there all you beautiful people and keep lifting each other up bc honestly that is what we need as well. Much love to all❤️
You are not a loser. There were so many things we didn't know affected us, as we lived our daily lives. I remember a neighbor girl, who died from Leukemia. Then, years later, reading about the chemicals present in certain areas of manufacturing, and cancer clusters. We were innocent...no one knew. All we can do is research what to do to help our bodies get rid of toxins, and avoid them in the future, by filtering water, putting more plants in our homes, etc.
@@jeanmader2302 so good
When that nervous system stimulation happens to me I can’t fall back asleep. I end up staying up all night. My heart beats really fast and I can’t calm down.
Same like nightly
Try l-tryptophan before sleep. Or take it during the day in smaller doses (try and see which option would work better for you.) you could also try valerian root or skullcap, its lovely for sleep. Adaptogens are great for they day, truly heals the adrenals. Hope this helps 🙏
Magnesium an hour before bed has given me better rest, deeper sleep and less symptoms. ALSO - regulate the high glycemic foods you are eating!
Magnesium GLYCINATE is the best type of magnesium. I also agree with the other comments here about tryptophan and Herbs. I do all of that, plus take 5mg Melatonin. A slow gentle calm walk in a peaceful setting for 30mins a couple of hours before bed can help the body relax, as can some gentle relaxing yoga.
Me too😿
Your voice is incredibly calming. ❤️
Thank you Irene for this information! Very helpful!!
Thanks for watching! So great to hear that you found this helpful :)
Nicole - Team Lyon
precious, precious information! thank you
Thank you so much for this content. For your easy to understand explanations and especially for your pacing. Very grateful!
All so very true , well done explaining how our lives record and do dicepther our life long traumas stressors and life excitements
Very good. I like the practical videos best like this one rather than endless theories. Bless. Please give a thumbs up to this important info
thank you so much for your channel. wish you the best!
You Chanel saves my life really
Thanks. Nicely explained.
Thank you for this! very interesting and helpful
I need this...My childhood was a constant line of nervous situations. It is hard to overcome that because we are so used to stress, we don't recognize it. My husband will say my name and I will say WHAT!!!! Then I feel badly, and wonder what is wrong with me. LOL
Hi Jean Mader, you're not alone in this! Hopefully the LOL means you know that there's nothing wrong with you. Irene's work is all about teaching people how to work with the nervous system to heal and transform these patterns. - Jen from Team Lyon
@@teamlyon3109 I'm still here, because I know I am a product of my environment. I have forgiven everyone, including myself, and I am so busy each day, I rarely have time for a pity party. Plus, I realize that others out there have had it worse than I. I just pray that they have learned that, as a little child, there is not much you can do to change things, and MOSTLY...It is NEVER your fault.
Thank you. Very informative .
You are loved!
You are the best Irene. Love you. 😍❤ (From your follower)
Thanks Irene. God Bless you.
Thanks for watching ✨
Nicole - Team Lyon
Very educational. Ty!
Oh, that was so interesting, and I couldn't help crying through the video, somehow.
I will definitely go and check your program (I'm a French Parisian, and I assume you do not offer one-no-one sessions in my country).
Thank you so much for this🙏🏽
Aw, it’s all that stress healing and leaving through crying. I hope you are doing well this year. 🥰🥰🥰
You are my hero! ❤
Irene, you are so awesome! Thank you for creating and posting videos to help your viewers. You are great! 💕✌🏻
Thanks for your comment and support!
Nicole - Team Lyon
new sub! watching all these vids on health topics, and adrenal fatigue and yours is the first to mention the physiological manifestations of the psychological trauma! thank you for your work!
Hey Tish, Seth here from Team Lyon, thanks for being here!
thank you, this frames my own experience
So glad it resonated with you.
If you're interested in some more resources, I would suggest checking this out - irenelyon.com/7-steps-opt-in-IL
Thanks for your comment and for being part of the conversation.
Nicole - Team Lyon
This was great. Thank you
Thank you Irene
Amazing information.
Energy healing also does this 💗
Interesting! Question? I have had paradoxical reactions from doing relaxation exercises - whereby I had an increase in anxiety. I am guessing that was because my nervous system didnt feel safe letting its guard down- since hyper vigilance and constant analysis has always been my autopilot state. i think thats what you were saying towards the end of the video? I also have has strange reactions to herbs that relax the system - again becoming anxious. Im glad I came across this video to make sense of what my body does when i attempt relaxation measures!
Hi, are you doing better nowadays?
@@miavodopija not really!! Nervous system still wired up to high.
The same was happening to me and I found Faster EFT. It uses NLP and EFT which can change memories,traumas and relaxes you. Hope this helps.
@@krisymar1 hot yoga works wonders and Epson salt baths.
This was very insightful, thanks for sharing this information! Truly appreciated! :)
Thank you for this - I am a Reiki Master practioner (I am not currently practicing on others, but I do practice on myself daily). My quest to heal my own trauma is what lead me to Reiki and it has been the most helpful practice for me (far and away more helpful than talk therapy). I experience stress at my brain stem. The fuzzy, foggy, demanding sensation I will get at my brain stem is something that I have observed to be accurate in many situations - I have felt it when deciding to commit to a man who turned out to be a BAD relationship. I feel it when friends say dismissive things to me. Could you speak to learning the difference between a stress organ being overactive due to past trauma and that organ attempting to communicate something important in the NOW.
@laylas5341, Jen here from Irene's Team. Great to hear you've found something that feels helpful to you.
The short answer to your question is that as we to do the work to grow capacity and regulation, and to complete incomplete survival responses, we become better able to differentiate between when an experience (such as tension around the brainstem) is a response to present circumstances, and when the reaction reflects our history/conditioning.
It also sounds like you may be noticing patterns in your own experience, so you might trust what you're noticing.
It didn't take days or weeks for one to get adrenal fatigue so it's going to take time to reverse it.
Hey Josh. Yes. AND I have also seen people's systems make some major shifts after just one session. Working with our stress physiology can be real powerful stuff!
Nicole - Team Lyon
@@teamlyon3109 hi Nicole, i would like try it. but what say irene on the Video ? I am from Germany :)
Hi@@edaedali596, Jen here from Team Lyon. I think Seth replied to you in another thread. I'll post his answer here to make sure you see it.
Hopefully this translates well! In a nutshell, this video talks about how when a person is experiencing adrenal fatigue, or chronic fatigue and burnout, it's not enough to just rest and change behaviours or work with the mind. We have to work with the physiology. Specifically, we need to work directly with the organ systems most involved with what is called 'stress physiology' - the systems most impacted by unresolved survival energy (fight, flight, and freeze), and those are the kidney/adrenal system, the brainstem, and the gut.
@@teamlyon3109 please help me , I am dying
@@dommccaffry3802 it’s hard, practitioner s are expensive.
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤
Wow! Just found you. This is terrific!! I'm a former MT and Reiki practitioner. Was forced into retirement 18 months ago due to Polymyositis and endometrial cancer. My adrenals are struggling as I'm tapering off Prednisone. I'm excited to learn from you. Subscribed! 🙂💜
Thank you! very helpful. I am practicing Zhineng Qigong, it is like being my own therapist :)
Thank you
Thank you!
I love this, thanks Irene ❤️
The body keeps score... I'm actually listening to that now. =)
This mind body connection rings true for me 💖 Irene has really helped calm my frazzled misfiring nerves ☺ through her body work. Set the intention in a gentle loving way increases neural plasticity too. The books she recommends are fabulous explaining mind body connection 💖 This info needs to be shared for cptsd and trauma survivors. Our body's need to learn how to release and let go of stored memories and emotions that are stuck in freeze mode within. The body stores as if gripping tightly, white knuck-ling the fear response, holding it all inside. My body actually shook to release pent up trauma, it was quite the experience but I felt soooo much calmer and my mind was cleared as a result. There is truth to the statement just shake it off 👍😎 lol
What helped ?
thank you
Thank you
Hi, I'm new to your channel this is my first. Finally somebody mentions this, that is wonderful. My adrenals are fried I get that. Thank you for mentioning the massaging of the adrenals. Now which essential oil would you recommend to help the adrenals while massaging please? I'm terrible with listening to my gut, as if the feelings are shut down but that does not make sense.
Hey!
Nicole here from Team Lyon.
No essential oil required. More just your attention on your adrenals! Simply Imagine giving them some support! :)
Irene, I'm in talk therapy and trauma therapy. Im the child that had sooo much trauma that I didn't even know that I didn't have any memories from 17.5 years old down...at the age 25 my first Therapist found out...then to add even more trauma from September 6th 2016, car accident, 2017 daughter raped...whole yr spent on her needs, may 31st 2018 her trial, june 2nd husband in hospital 8 days to find out he had lung cancer, then 5 days later my own traumatized grandson moved in, January 5th 2019 had an emergency call that my daughter was going to jail for assault 2, her husband in the hospital...I WAS ALREADY SICK.. had been at that time from December 22nd 2018. I stayed sick for 2 whole months. Was finally put on Prednisone. I knew about your adrenaline burn out and knew this was what had happened. I backed out of ever obligation possible. Got better. 2019 son in law divorces daughter. Son in law finds out Stage 3 Colon Cancer at 39 yrs old. I said all this to get to this one point. Another emergency call, #3 daughter and 2 yr on life flight to Doernbecker childrens hospital...I again was there. In the middle of that night, 4am, calming baby down, my right arm goes numb, left one feels strange. Of course they rushed me to the ER. They said "Saturday night Palsy". Never fit. From that March 22nd 2019 I began to lose muscle mass, strenth, coordination, fatigue, sleeping 10-11 hours a day. Now I get sent to a Neurologist who conducts the EMG/conduction test. Its positive for Myotonic muscular dystrophy. There are 2 kinds DM1 & DM2. I tested negative on the genetic test for DM2. QUESTION: can THIS be adrenal burn out??
You have been through so much sending you love and strength. Hope things are getting better for you.
I wish the channel would answer you. Sure seems possible
How do I find the best practitioner near me, that is reflective of your research? You’re amazing!!!
Hi Stephanie. Seth here from Team Lyon. Oh, how I wish there was a simple answer to your question! Unfortunately there isn't so my answer is going to be a bit long...
There are databases where you can look up practitioners that I will link below, but the key sticky point in your question is 'best practitioner'. There may be a good practitioner in your area and I hope there is. The thing is, very few practitioners who get this training really get it the way Irene , I, and our colleagues at Team Lyon do. It's not that we're somehow special, it's that we put in the time. To really understand and apply this work at a high level one needs not just the Somatic Experiencing Training, they also need to attend many of Peter Levine's Master classes, Kathy Kain's training Somatic Practice, and have at least a working knowledge of the principles developed by Moshe Feldenkrais. Irene has all this, plus a masters in biomedical science, so she is at the top of the field.
Sadly, many practitioners come to this work from the fields of psychology and psychiatry and view it as just a tool to put in their box to do 'that trauma stuff', not understanding that in order to really practice it they would have to basically abandon everything they think they know.
So, my first recommendation is to do one of Irene's online programs, preferably her 12 week intensive starting up in a couple weeks, SmartBody SmartMind. That will give you all the education you need (something most practitioners don't bother with at all) plus loads of practical tools and the support you need to get going with this work from the safety and privacy of your own home. Doing this will also make you WAY more informed about what to look for in a practitioner.
If you want to look for a Somatic Experiencing practitioner in your area you can search the SE database and I will encourage you to look for people who have 'Touch Skills Training' or 'Kathy Kain's Touch Work' in their description or under 'Post Advanced Certificates' - and hopefully some Master classes under their belt too! Here's those links...
SmartBody SmartMind - www.smartbodysmartmind.com/
SE practitioner database - (expand the 'practitioner search' box just above where the names start to search by area) directory.traumahealing.org/
Wishing you all the best on your healing journey!
@team Lyon: how do you differenciate adrenal fatigue from inner resistance?
@alinei.8618, Jen here from Irene's Team. Adrenal Fatigue (AFS) is a health condition that often results from overusing survival physiology without sufficient access to physiologies that support rest, repair and regeneration.
One way to think about resistance is that we have an impulse to move in one direction, and at the same time we have an impulse not to move, or to move in a different direction. There is actually a lot of life force held in "resistance". I'll share a link to a related resource in case you want to learn more.
4 Steps to Beat Inner Resistance - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-beat-inner-resistance/
How long (how many minutes) do you do this technique (paying attention to the adrenal glands) in 1 session and in what frequency do you do the sessions?
I'm curious to know the answer to this question too Esther
I had both. I grew up with 2 alcoholic parents and had a major surgery at the age of 4 when I broke my femur bone and was later placed in a body cast.
You are incredible! I *know* all this but it really helps solidify what I suspected.
Btw- I have LOW LOW CORTISOL. I took the Dutch test and my score was off the chart on the low side for free cortisol.
Glad you found us here Soverign SOULutoins. If sounds like you're on the learning path. If you haven't seen it yet, I'd recommend Irene's free Healing Trauma training. It's a great way to learn more about both developmental and acute trauma and what it takes to heal it. I'll link to it here in case you want to check it out.
Free Healing Trauma training: irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
- Jen from Team Lyon
This works
I need more information about the brain stem and how it holds trauma. Where can I find some information?
How do I find a practitioner that does what you do?
Thank you Irene, for your information , my nephew diagnosed with Bipolar , do you think is related to. Trauma problem, who does he have to see
It's quite possible that your nephews bipolar is the result of trauma. I would suggest he connects with a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner ( directory.traumahealing.org/ )
Hopefully he finds someone to support him from the right prospective for him.
Nicole - Team Lyon
Thank you for this video, would this be why you may have a high pain tolerance? Because your trauma was so great.
Hi pink salt, Seth here from Team Lyon. Irene's pain tolerance is so high for a couple reasons - one a long history of very painful injuries, surgeries, recovery, etc.. and also, in the past - because of a lot of functional freeze in the system (but this part doesn't really apply anymore).
@@teamlyon3109 sorry I didn't explain, if I have cptsd so I was think I have a high pain tolerance and this may be why
I need therapy like this!!!
Hi Kathryn Willette, many of us do! Jen here from Team Lyon. If you've interested in diving deeper, Irene's programs are a potent way to do so. If you want to check them out, you can do so here:
The 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up: 21daytuneup.com
SmartBody SmartMind: smartbodysmartmind.com
Team Lyon Thank you! I wish someone would support me, though. However, I don’t think I’ve mentioned this to anyone.
@@Tinyteacher1111 if I understand what you mean, asking people for support can bring up vulnerability for many of us. Typically it gets easier to do so over time as heal at this foundational nervous system level. - Jen from Team Lyon
How long? I’ve been going through this for ten years. I just started tyroid medications but so tired I have to take about ten naps a day mentally exhausted (also been through a lot of trauma living in constant fear)
Hi Nic, Seth here from Team Lyon. 'How long' depends on each person and on the kind of support and treatment they can get. If someone has access to a good touch practitioner trained in this kind of work (the work of Kathy Kain), then a LOT can change pretty darn quickly, though it can still take consistent treatment over time to help those changes integrate and stick. If you can't find a touch practitioner like that, then enrolling in Irene's online programs and using her free resources is a great way to learn how start doing that work for yourself. Here's those links if you want to get started with this work...
How to find a good Somatic Practitioner - th-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/w-d-xo.html
Kathy Kain Touch Directory - coregulatingtouch.com/find-a-practitioner/
Free Resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
Irene's online programs - irenelyon.com/programs/
I need this badly for various reasons. But I would be curious if you have ever heard of a pelvic kidney. I have a daughter that is 9. She was diagnosed with a pelvic kidney a few years ago. I have wondered how this would affect her adrenal glands. Her urologist said it was not a big deal (that she has a pelvic/ectopic kidney) and wasn’t even causing all of the reasons we have had to see him. I have a hard time believing that! I never asked him about the adrenal glands.
Hi Kristina, Jen here from Team Lyon. I have heard of a pelvic kidney but don't have specialized expertise to know how it would impact the adrenal gland functioning. In general, working with the stress organs supports the system's ability to down regulate which in turn supports overall health, healing and quality of life. Irene teaches aspects of this work in SmartBody SmartMind and there are practitioners trained to work in this way as well.
Hello Irene. I am listening you and I would like you to answer one question for me, to help me understand : in craniosacral therapy this is exactly what therapyst is doing - she puts hands on a specific organ, she has intention and directed attention, and she helps body to release stored emotions in that organs. So, can we use CST in addition to regular psychotherapy( if therapist dont do that), can it be beneficial? Or is CST enough? I am also on 21 day NS tune up, doing neurosensory excersises, building capacity every day.
Milica Sinandinovic, Jen here from Team Lyon. CST can often be complementary to the nervous system work, and it's hard to know for sure how what your CST practitioner is doing compares to the Touch Work we're trained to do as nervous system practitioners. Generally speaking, while both CST and traditional psychotherapy can be complementary to nervous system work, they are also different from and do not typically replace nervous system work.
Since you're in the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up, you might see what you notice over time as you learn and practice. If you see the changes that you're wanting to create, then you have your answer. And if not, you might consider joining SmartBody SmartMind when it runs this fall and/or doing some work with a trained nervous system practitioner.
I relate to this in me. I would like to do this work. I am based in south east UK. I do not have the money for private sessions. What would you recommend?
I feel like Irene has courses and programs offered for those who would like to work on themselves :). You should check out her website :)
Hi David,
So great to hear that you related to this and want to do the work.
As said in the other comment, Irene has a ton of resources that are worth exploring that are a great starting point.
Here's some free resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources/
And here's her 21 Day Tune-Up - irenelyon.com/tuneup/
Let us know if you have any questions along the way!
Nicole - Team Lyon
Wow! I know I’m an empath.....my gut feeling. At the moment my gut feels heavy bloated and just very heavy.......I look pregnant
Hello, how can I work with Irene Lyon or her team? I have all the issues she described: stress in the brain stem, adrenals, and gut. Please let me know how to work with her either in person or remotely. I’ve been seeking this type of healing for three years! Thanks 🙏
Hi there Inga, Jen here from Irene's Team. If you'd like to work with one of us on Team Lyon, you can contact us directly. I'll share a link to our team list here. Irene herself doesn't work 1-1 with people these days, and you can learn from her through her online course , the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up, and comprehensive program, SmartBody SmartMInd, and also through her monthly Drop In classes. I'll link to those too in case you want to check them out.
Team Lyon - irenelyon.com/meet-the-team-3/
The 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com
SmartBody SmartMind - smartbodysmartmind.com
Drop In Classes - irenelyon.com/drop-in-class-1
Angel.
I am attempting to help my daughter and the one son who has anything to do with me, heal from our corporate abuse! Still working on me as the primary response! Not doing too good! Dealing with pain and homelessness in this now!!!
Hi Lorene De Amor, Jen here from Team Lyon. Great to hear that you're taking steps to support yourself as you aim to bring healing to your family. I wanted to make sure you're aware of Irene's free resources. I'll link to them here.
Free resources - irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
@@IreneLyon Hi Team lyon, so to work with the adrenal/kidney's should we be gently touching them? Or visualizing them? Both? Thank you 😊
@@Doorto_theriver, Jen here from Team Lyon. You can try both and see what works for you. You can also explore putting some softness and/or warmth in the kidney/adrenal area (such as a hot water bottle). FYI Irene teaches this practice in detail as part of her SmartBody SmartMind program.
@@IreneLyon Thank you, Jen. I am in 21 Day, and I really like it. I wish there was at least one lesson on the stress organs in 21 day as I think it's really important. Thank you
@@Doorto_theriver, you're most welcome. And great to hear that you're in the 21D program. I hear you re there being a lesson on the stress organs. Irene designed the 21D program to be an introduction to the work and for that reason teaches some of the more in-depth practices in SmartBody SmartMind which provides a much deeper dive into nervous system work. FYI working with a trained practitioner can be another way to experience the organ-based work.
Hey Irene, thanks for this. Any info on misophonia ( misophoniainstitute.org/misophonia-triggers/ ) which affects me a lot when listening to some people speak (especially on videos- not you, but some people have horrible microphones and I hear "ssss" or "pppp" or clicking tongues- UGH)
Skin and bones body reacting to everything including healtjy food, hardly holding on tired but when i start to fall out, andrenaline surge hits hard, dr injury to jaw, has messed with upper cervical spine, spinal cord, head, alignment and compression issues, have a connective tissue disorder, spouse is narcissistic, need help now! Please! No one has listened to me for months. Was put on a benzo after injury and now i think that has backfired on top of it
Hi Sweet Victory, Seth here with Team Lyon. I'm so sorry to hear you are going through so much right now. Yes, Benzos can make things worse for sure. Given all that is happening, the best I can do to help right now is to first say I hear you and I believe you. Your experiences are real!
Next, it's important to know that in order to heal the trauma that you are living with, the foundation has to be safety - safe home, safe relationships. And not just physically safe. Safe to express and think and feel what is authentic for you and to have that be received, supported, and responded to with care. Without that foundation, nothing else will work very well. So evaluating if being married to a narcissist is really working for you might be the first important step.
Do we have to know what the trauma was or remember it to heal it? Or is it enough to feel the feelings that are triggered in the present and assume it has roots in childhood and work from there ?
Hi!
Nicole here from Team Lyon. When working at a nervous system level we don't at all need to remember the trauma(s) to heal. Exploring what's showing up in the present is what this work is all about :)
I would suggest checking out this video for more insight on this - th-cam.com/video/dv7lOnbk03w/w-d-xo.html
Cheers. Nicole
Does it work when you are touching yourself and reassuring your own systems or is it better to have someone else do it ?
Hey!
Nicole here from Team Lyon.
I would invite you to experiment with it! When having someone else do it (who isn't trained in this work), it might be enjoyable or it might not feel supportive as it will depend on if they are able to hold a clear intention of support and being there with you. When doing it on yourself, you can see what it's like to hold a sense of support and "be there" for yourself and see what that's like.
Listen to how your body responds. Chances are it will give you some feedback!
I had a traumatic event a couple of months ago, my doctor prescribed me klonopin, its not helping at all but just make me numb, he told me i am having derealization. But i feel i just have adrenal insufficicency.
Be careful with klonopin! My sister was prescribed it at 16 and was on it for 10 years and finally was able to get off it.
Now she’s back where she started-and getting to the source by changing mindset and releasing trauma from the body. She regrets ever taking the klonopin since it’s just a temporary bandaid solution
I think i am at the same level i started taking klonopin, its does help temprorarily but makes it somewhat worse everytime i quit it for a couple of days. Its 1 day again, i am trying to quit this shit.
So i feel this way when i am uncomfortable in a social situation. Also caused from trauma i feel. 3 bad marriages and a domestic situation with another all on top of a abusive childhood. I have knots all over my body. Where is your clinic?
Hi Carmella. Seth here from Team Lyon. Thanks for being here! Irene doesn't currently have a physical location where she works with people. She has focused all her energy to developing online resources so people can learn to do this work in their own home, anywhere in the world.
Irene offers two different courses. One is a 21 Day Program that you can start at any time. It gives you a comprehensive education so you can fully understand what is happening in your physiology, which is crucial - even knowing and understanding what is happening can bring a lot of relief and change - it also gives you some basic foundational practices so you can start working with your nervous system and applying the education, as well as a private Facebook group staffed by nervous system experts so you can ask questions and share with your peers.
Her other program is 12 weeks and only runs once a year, and is currently in session. This one is much more comprehensive, with expanded education in the form of live video lectures, loads of practical exercises to work with your system, and lots of support in the form of interactive Q&A's and a private Facebook group also staffed with nervous system experts.
Here's those links so you can read more!
21 Day Tuneup - irenelyon.com/tuneup/
SmartBody SmartMind - www.smartbodysmartmind.com/
Hi Carmella I also have knots, they are called trigger points. For them to go away you need to find a way to stay calm and apply ischemic pressure. It is a long process but it works. Let me know if you have any questions
Hi I wanted to know is it correct to continue doing the adrenal hold until you have come out of adrenal fatigue? I have been working with someone and find it efficacious after a short period, I'm just not sure how long to continue it for, how do I know its time to move on?
Hi DH1498. Yes, there's really no way give too much attention and care to our kidney/adrenal system. It is good to continue doing it regularly until the system has been restored to regulation. And even after that it can be a nice thing to do once in a while, just as a form of self care.
Thank you so much your talk is very good, l am in very deep stressed, l lost my Mum, and have a very stressful life l was ignoring my self. Now at the moment this point my body my body is no functioning any more. I am now talking to my kidneys, and my body, like the way you have said to in the video. I am also a Reiki master, and reflexology practitioners, my self, but never help to my self. Many thanks my dear you have opened my eyes. At the moment my left breast is very uncomfortable, whole digestive system is weak, getting cramps and very very dehydrated and painful body. Do you think l have to take any vitamins also please let me know thanks 🙏😘🤗💖
Hi Rina Kundu, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'm really sorry to hear about the loss of your Mum. Loss and stress can definitely wear us out, especially when trauma is in the picture. It's good to hear that you're turning your care and healing gifts towards yourself.
The kidney work can be incredibly potent and healing. Irene doesn't really work with supplements - she's not against them, she encourages people to do what works for them - and that's not her area of expertise. Her focus is on healing by growing nervous system regulation and capacity.
Thank you very much, l am working on my kidney area, feel little bit better, buy me whole body is itchy so l can’t sleep at all, taking priton tablets not working. I am desperate for sleep, very tired and weak need some short of help please 🙏
Can this work be done by our self?
Hi, I've taken your 21-day course, and I find your work very helpful. I was just wondering which studies back up this theory about "dried-up, shrivelled, fatigued" adrenal glands? I recently listened to a podcast by Ari Whitten. He had gone through a large amount of studies, and the conclusion was that there is no correlation between cortisol levels and chronic stress / chronic conditions. I believe that chronic stress really messes up the whole body, but is adrenal fatigue actually backed up by science?
I guess I got my answer from the fact that the team does not seem to want to answer my question...
Hey Maarit!
Nicole here. My apologies on the delay on your question. There are so many comments in here and it's easy to get lost in it all! Feel free to ask questions in the FB groups too as they will get answered there more quickly.
I'm intrigued about the podcast you listened to, as I find it interesting that high/low cortisol levels doesn't correlate with chronic stress?
I personally don't know of any studies. I'll ask the others.
What I can share is that I have seen SO many changes within both myself and my clients when it comes to working with the stress organs. No "science" to back it up, but ongoing changes and results are enough to prove to me that this work is beyond powerful when it comes to healing.
Nicole - Team Lyon
Hi @@Murtti1, did the course help you heal/recover (from adrenal fatigue)? I have severe AF since 2017, tried so many things and still not able to heal from it.
@@sandtx4913 Hi, Sandra. I'm not quite sure what adrenal fatigue even is, so I can't answer that, sorry. I took the course to recover from sensitivity to chemicals and fragrances (which means my system is on alert mode all the time and perceiving threats everywhere). The course has had some interesting effects, which mostly feel bad but according to Irene, are a good sign (more stress responses coming up, shaking, etc. which might be a sign of me coming out of the freeze state). But unfortunately I can't yet talk about healing per se. (I've had more success with the DNRS method.) But I think you should definitely give this course a try if you have the means to do that. There's nothing to lose!
@@Murtti1 Hi Maarit, thank you for your swift response. AF is a term that has been used since the 1960's I believe but the medical world does not acknowledge it. Where I live we talk about a burnout and also that has not been acknowledged by western medicine (since it is not mentioned in DSM manual). It is seen as a mental issue and most of the times you'll be diagnosed with depression, which it is not but it can cause a depression. Mine was caused by over exhausting my systems (mental, physical and emotional body) due to work overload /stress at my job (and not getting the credits), too much physical exercise, social activities, volunteer work, high sense of responsiblity etc. At first I was able to cope because most of the external circumstances were okay or positive, but once things started changing at work I felt my energy dropping and mood changing fast. But it took an actual fall on the head (freeze response) to trigger the AF. You may also have AF or burnout, since it is caused by stress overload to your (nervous) system. I still have little energy, lack of sleep, lack of focus and physiological discomfort. I went from being very active and social to very tired and reclusive, hyper alert and constantly bring triggert (which probably is good but very stressful at the same time). I will think about doing the course. I hope it is not too independent, because I really lack structure now.
Does this apply to cpstd? I was brought up by narcissists (not even parents) Will it make times of stress in life magnified? I also had a domestic violence incident which left me with a spinal injury, I’ve had one surgery but now need fusion. Since the domestic violence incident I have been on a lot of prescription meds I’ve put 4 stone on.....this is the first video of you I’ve seen. I’m also having to represent myself with employment tribunal for disability discrimination, victimisation and subsequent unfair dismissal (narcissistic boss)
This is the brief version, just wanted to know if the weight is an overload of cortisol?
I used to always be on the move but now I can only just function.
Also a single mum to a 13 year old and been out of work since June, need to move before surgery.........these are just the urgent matters. I think I thought I’d healed my brain with sleep meditation and psychology research!
@@AJLORACLE , Jen here from Irene's Team. I get the sense from your post that you have a good dose of underlying strength and resilience. To answer your questions, yes, having trauma, and early/developmental trauma in particular, can make times of stress seem magnified (when we have trauma, many life events and experiences have survival "charge" associated with them that magnifies our response).
The weight can both be a response to the cortisol, and more generally what's known as the HPA (hypothalamus-pituitary axis) being thrown out of whack. If we go into conservation (freeze) physiology as a response to the stressors we're experiencing, we may also put weight on and keep weight on as our physiology thinks it may need it to survive. As you probably know, weight gain can also be a side of effect of many medications. If you're new here, you might be interested in Irene's free Healing Trauma training. Irene goes into a lot of detail about trauma, what cases it, and key components to healing it in the training. I'll link to it here.
irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Team Lyon wow! Thank you so much ❤️
@@teamlyon3109 how do you heal PTSD depression and nervous system high all day no medication work. How do calm it anything to take cuz I can’t eat or sleep
@@SA-px3ln , Jen here from Irene's Team. It depends on your unique system, your history, and other factors. Sometimes we can do a few practices that make a big difference, other times it's can take a bit more. I'll link to a few of Irene's related free resources. I'll also mention that sometimes people do need medication and/or other healthcare interventions to help bring some stability to the nervous system as they do this work.
DIY: Ancient Anxiety Medicine - th-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/w-d-xo.html
4 Surprisingly Simple Steps to Calming Overwhelm... - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
Does anyone know how to stop heart beating and not breathing in sleep? It’s from trauma
Hi Nic F, Jen here from Team Lyon. The approaches Irene described here might help with that. I'll also link to a video about waking up in a panic attack that might be of interest to you. Generally speaking, working to heal trauma and grow nervous system regulation and capacity the way that Irene teaches often helps like this. This can also be done by working with a nervous system trained practitioner.
irenelyon.com/2020/01/18/why-am-i-waking-up-in-a-panic-attack-the-last-month-in-review
It's hard to be patient for results when I'm struggling to imagine those results as tangible. It's even harder to release expectations for any outcome during my meditation practice when that objective is the reason for working so hard at it in the first place. Patience is tricky!
Patience can be tricky for sure Akirara Ararika! Jen here from Team Lyon. In Irene's programs, people often learn to look for small changes as these changes are an indication that things are shifting and can help to fuel hope and faith in the process. It can also be helpful to participate in a program for the learning, guidance and access to peers going through it with you. There's power in being on the path with others!
Does talking about past trauma to a stranger really help??? I need to get it out but like they care. Just seems ???this really is a serious question
Can someone explain it ? I dont understand the Video . I am from Germany :)
Hi Eda, Seth here from Team Lyon. Hopefully this translates well! In a nutshell, this video talks about how when a person is experiencing adrenal fatigue, or chronic fatigue and burnout, it's not enough to just rest and change behaviours or work with the mind. We have to work with the physiology. Specifically, we need to work directly with the organ systems most involved with what is called 'stress physiology' - the systems most impacted by unresolved survival energy (fight, flight, and freeze), and those are the kidney/adrenal system, the brainstem, and the gut.
I think my pcos is adrenal induced.
Can I do the adrenal work on myself... Will I get the same benefits
Hey Jenny,
Nicole here from Team Lyon.
You can definitely do adrenal work on yourself and for many it can be quite supportive. Explore and notice what your response is!
When someone else is supporting your kidney adrenals it allows for more connection and stimulation for your nervous system that's responsible in feeling safe and social (ventral vagal nerve). This connection with another human and that sense of being supported and safe is an important piece in healing.
That being said, depending on how easy it is to be supported/met, one might prefer to do it themselves because that might be perceived as "safer" until more regulation is on board.
Hope that helps :)
when I am hungry and my kids are making lots of noise, I get so tense that I cant handle them. I feel like Im going to go crazy or completely lose it. it happens also when Im nit hungry. but all of a sudden , all noise puts me on edge Is that more adrenal burnout or stored trauma and is dealing with it the same?
Hi Andrea, Seth here with Team Lyon. What you describe definitely sounds like an indication of unresolved trauma held in the system. Adrenal burnout often goes along with this, but it doesn't sounds like that's necessarily at play here. When the adrenals are truly burnt out we have no more energy and it's very hard to do anything at all. What you describe sounds more like spikes in adrenaline along with a big surge of sympathetic activation (fight/flight) triggered by an overstimulating environment, and the reason it is triggering is likely unresolved trauma from your own childhood.
@@teamlyon3109 thanks so much Seth for such a greatly explained answer. If somatic meditation is the biggest solution, ehat else is key and which programs of yours would be best for me if my budget is low? Also I just want to make sure that this confirms the same issue. when I have a pain, chrinic pain , that brings back memories of trauma, passing out, i go into straight panic attack mostly due to the pain and thoughts that occur of terrible things that will high blood pressure, strokes, pass out, etc. and these thoughts that come from the pain and feelings of tense muscles is what puts me into panic. does this sound like same issue?
Could my partner do this on me?
Hi C Katt, when we feel safe with a partner (or friend, body worker, etc.) touch can be soothing and healing, so if that's the case in your relationship then by all means give it a try and see what happens. To do this work specifically, people usually train to do it. Irene teaches aspects of this work in her more comprehensive online healing program, SmartBody SmartMind, so you can learn aspects of it there (to work with yourself and loved ones).
I'd recommended Irene's programs for learning this and growing nervous system regulation more generally. They've been life changing for me (to the point that I'm now a team member:), and you can also work with a practitioner trained in Somatic Practice to get the experience of the touch work in your system and then experiment with your partner if he or she is willing. Lots of great options!
- Jen from Team Lyon
Can adrenal fatigue cause tingling numbness muscle twitching?
Hi amrita surendran, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, it's possible that adrenal fatigue can cause and/or contribute to that. It can also be prudent to get checked out by a medical professional to rule out other medical causes (which you may have already done).
Thankyou mam for you reply...i had consultant neuro he said am okay
How can I work with you ????
I’m in bad shape. 😞
Hi Deb, Seth here from Team Lyon. Thanks for being here! Irene doesn't offer private sessions as she is now focused on providing resources for people online who don't have access to, or can't afford a private therapist.
She offers some videos with practical tools, such as this one... th-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/w-d-xo.html&t=.
And she also has a bunch of free resources on her website, many of which offer techniques to work with your system.. irenelyon.com/free-resources-2/
Irene also offers a 21 Day Program that you can start at any time. It gives you a comprehensive education so you can fully understand what is happening in your physiology, which is crucial - even knowing and understanding what is happening can bring a lot of relief and change - it also gives you some basic foundational practices so you can start working with your nervous system and applying the education, as well as a private Facebook group staffed by nervous system experts so you can ask questions and share with your peers.
21 Day Tuneup - irenelyon.com/tuneup/
why does adrenal fatigue cause dizziness?
Hi Jrod 4 God, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'm not sure why adrenal fatigue causes dizziness. Often low cortisol, which is characteristic of AF, can cause lightheadedness which is similar to dizziness.
Also, as the nervous system gets more deleted it may move into freeze, or conservation physiology. In this state blood pressure drops, there is less blood flow to the brain and the brain also release opiates, all of which may contribute to a sense of dizziness.
@@teamlyon3109 thank you for responding!
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I have adrenal burnout after being unable to escape an abuser for 10 years. If ever my children touched me on my lower back i would jump up. Im still overweight. Have no idea how to lose weight.
Hi nicolii, Jen here from Team Lyon. When we have adrenal burnout having a hard time losing weight often goes along with it. The work Irene teaches often helps with this over time as we grow nervous system regulation and heal adrenal burnout. I'll link to one of Irene's free resources that you might find helpful, and to her introductory program too in case you want to check it out.
irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
21daytuneup.com
@@teamlyon3109 thank you. i quite honestly just woke up to another morning of my kids screaming and fighting in the tv room which is setting me off even more. oh the bliss.
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I was born into domestic violence and this is me for sure
'Hands on' treatment can be tricky...especially in today's climate.. I feel unsure about this video...
Kinda creepy esp touching near certain body parts. Had a weird experience w a masseuse (woman) once btw. I trust my intuition.
...but adrenal fatigue isn't a real phenomenon. Burnout yes, but not adrenal fatigue.
HI Anna Letts, Jen here from Team Lyon. There is such as thing as hypothalamic pituitary axis dysfunction. Many people know these as adrenal fatigue. My understanding is that Irene uses this terminology as it's widely recognizable.
@@IreneLyon Thanks for your input. I know all doctors would challenge the use of the term 'adrenal fatigue'. I think it's misleading to use it. Chronic exhaustion, chronic fatigue, overwhelm or burnout are real and scientifically recognised.