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  • @backseatdriver9576
    @backseatdriver9576 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Lol, I'm a MMI certified mechanic with over 40 years experience and i couldn't have made a better video. Very nice job!

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! I appreciate that 👍

  • @rojoracing53
    @rojoracing53 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I was not expecting Moonlight Sonata during a teardown video but it was a welcome option over some of load BS drowning out any instructions given. Thank you sir.

  • @darinmccuistion6662
    @darinmccuistion6662 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    By far one of the best instructional videos I've seen to date. Very knowledgeable and thorough. Thank you.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for checking it out! 👍

  • @MassimoIosca
    @MassimoIosca 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This is IMHO the best video about MT09 CLUTCH. I think I can replace my clutch plates by myself. This is an ESSENTIAL video!

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I'm glad it is helping more MT09 owners.

  • @Sk00bs87
    @Sk00bs87 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this video was a piece of art

  • @alexnunes5186
    @alexnunes5186 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you Sir, I learned all the details I was looking for.

  • @dogsnmotorcycles
    @dogsnmotorcycles ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My clutch has been loud for a long time. It was really annoying, but would get quiet when I pulled in the clutch lever. I did buy a clutch boss holding tool. I replaced the whole clutch basket assembly, but I leaned the bike onto the side stand and didn't need to drain the oil. After heating the boss nut, a 1/2 inch impact wrench made it easy to get off. I may rebuild the old basket at some point, but it took a long time to get this bad. I have a service manual, but your video was really helpful. Thank you!!!

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Excellent! Glad it helped you out 👍

  • @chrisl1894
    @chrisl1894 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just posting up to say thank you. Nice video capturing all the main points. I replaced the dampers on mine and looking forward to a quiet clutch.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome, thank you!

  • @KrakensGarageandAdventures
    @KrakensGarageandAdventures ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always, your tech tutorials are the very best on YT. Fantastic video.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Eric! 👍

  • @GAPPanese
    @GAPPanese ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done video. Thanks for the extra teaching about the slipper clutch

  • @vitasoy3887
    @vitasoy3887 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you❤ will definitely attempt this next time. I’m much more confident doing it myself after watching you do it.

  • @martymenendez6974
    @martymenendez6974 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Video!! Well done. I've been wondering about this clutch noise for a long time. I'm going to look into the cost for a new clutch basket for my 2015 FZ-09. Your video will help me a bunch. Thanks!

  • @actionman67
    @actionman67 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video with great master tech explanations!!! Thank you!!!!

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, and thanks for watching! ✌

  • @Dervish2387
    @Dervish2387 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sir this video it’s there clearest explanation every I watched.
    Thank you so much

  • @jtsperformanceautomarine
    @jtsperformanceautomarine ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now I feel better about the noise I was getting worried about! Great video great information. How do you only have 345 subs making great content like this?! 346 now 💪

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad the video could help you out! Thanks for the sub also ✌

  • @SanderMeling94
    @SanderMeling94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    perfect video, my MT09 2022 just started making that noise. And it started around 6000 km...

    • @ImNess
      @ImNess ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mine is 25000 km's, and I noticed a big vibrations in foot pegs, also noise in neutral is annoying

  • @Alex-hl4bi
    @Alex-hl4bi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing explained!!!!🙂🙂

  • @paulcummings1566
    @paulcummings1566 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching 👍

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      @YAMAHAXSR900 correct, the basket and cushion failures are pretty common.
      The gloves are nitrile which is a recommended mechanic glove when involving oil and solvents, no fail there.
      The oil change intervals for this engine are from 4,000 miles to 6,000 miles depending on FZ09 vs MT09. Worst case the oil had about 3k miles on it, if the previous owner serviced it regularly. That's an unknown variable so I gave the total miles in the bike instead. With a few k miles on the oil I'd expect it to have some color though, so likely nothing wrong there either.
      Thanks for watching.

  • @X5COO
    @X5COO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice video mate, good job very well explained. Thanks for taking the time.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No problem 👍

  • @maxsain2004
    @maxsain2004 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautifully explained 👍

  • @AK2WI
    @AK2WI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video! Very informative

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! I hope it helped some people out!

  • @postal59rus
    @postal59rus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful video man, thank you for your great work it helps a lot.

  • @bryanshaw8518
    @bryanshaw8518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EXCELLENT video

  • @ktanumayoutification
    @ktanumayoutification 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just in the same way, similar symptoms are occurring in XSR900. It was very helpful. The video is wonderful for you. And it's very polite. By the way, was there a sound even in the neutral gear state? GROOOOOOONNNNKKKK ♩

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I never noticed the noise in neutral, only while off throttle in gear. Usually low rpm also.

    • @knichnicki1234
      @knichnicki1234 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To jest to samo na jałowym

  • @carvalhonj
    @carvalhonj ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video and new subscriber. Thanks I have 2020 Tracer 900 GT with 16,000 miles. In addition to hearing the noise of the clutch I felt like a vibration that I thought was chain and sprockets that needed to be changed. I changed last week and I feel part of the vibration that I felt before. Do you believe that this could also be related to this chronic clutch problem? Is this noise something I should worry about and do what you did or can I just ignore the noise?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching and the sub! 👍 The noise is pretty likely going to be related to the clutch basket. Either being cracked or broken, or just worn cushions. If it's just the cushions it can be ignored for a little while without any major repercussions, I just couldn't stand the noise any longer lol

    • @carvalhonj
      @carvalhonj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Skipshift I don't like the noise either, but I also wouldn't want to spend more than I already spent on the 16,000 service miles😂. But it is what is it. Thanks 🫡

    • @carvalhonj
      @carvalhonj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I still have a valid Yamaha extender warranty (Y.E.S) Spoke with the dealer this morning and Yamaha department seems like a chance the warranty will cover this defect.🙏

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carvalhonj that would be awesome!

  • @Pseudo_Placebo
    @Pseudo_Placebo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    very nicely done video and good explanation but the driving comfort does not change and the functionality remains the same... I have neither advantages nor disadvantages

  • @chipwood67
    @chipwood67 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi does your arrow on dot line up on the clutch cover and clutch arm on 22 plate Gen 3 it's offset and only lines up once clutch lever is pulled in..Gen one doesn't do the.. Gen 2 your bike same slipper clutch.? Thanks for any info..

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On my Gen 2, lining the arrow up during assembly was the correct position. I'm not sure if they may have changed things on Gen 3.

  • @hw_moto8409
    @hw_moto8409 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello and thanks for sharing this instructional video. Today I replaced the broken clutch basket of my MT 09 Tracer (2016) for a completely new one.
    I solved one problem but now I create a new problem while putting all the parts back in reverse.
    So I have two questions.
    Q1: Is it normal that the cam chain should not be too tight because I cannot get it tight.
    Q2: One of the six bolts that secures the clutch springs is broken. What can happen when i am driving now that I am missing a spring?
    Thanks in advance for your response.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If the chain will not tighten at all I would look to make sure the chain guides are in place properly first and go from there. Making sure the tensioner is the right length to put tension against the guide.
      For the missing or broken spring, you will have less pressure in the clutch pack which could cause slipping and extra heat and wear in the clutch pack. I definitely wouldn't ride it like that unless you absolutely have to have it on the road.

    • @hw_moto8409
      @hw_moto8409 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the reaction. I will follow your advice and hope i can fix these two issues. Otherwise I will bring my bike to a motorshop to fix it. Kind regards hw_moto✌🏽

  • @marcosnobrega9999
    @marcosnobrega9999 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Com quantos mil km vc fez a troca dos discos de embreagem?

  • @davson6474
    @davson6474 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It could be those rubbers in my case too? On idle when cold its pretty quiet, when heated up, i hear rattle, when i pull the clutch it stops. Also my handlebars vibrate little.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If the rubbers are bad or have shrunk they normally make noise when cold too though. It could be regular clutch basket noise if it goes away when you pull in the clutch lever. It would be hard to say for sure without being there to hear it first hand.

  • @ivan1982dimitrov
    @ivan1982dimitrov ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Отлично и много полезно видео.
    🫡

  • @nathanskevington
    @nathanskevington ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my 2014 does this and its also vibrates alot at lower rpm, get smother up the rev range. i balanced the throttle bodies no difference. will new clutch rubbers solves this as well?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be that the rubbers are compressed or hardened and unable to absorb the jittery power at low rpm. Definitely worth taking a look at the driven gear slack to see if it's a noticeable amount.
      I notice much less low rpm jitters with the new basket installed.

  • @stoffle123
    @stoffle123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid! Do you know if the fix is permanent, or will the issue come back over time? And what would be the risk of leaving it unattended, will it only get "gronkier" over time or is there a chance of something breaking?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only time will tell if the fix is permanent or semi-permanent. It's all down to how the newer cushions in the basket hold up to heat and oil over time.
      If it isn't replaced or repaired there could be a risk of breaking clutch plates if the slack gets too far out of hand. Also transmission components could see some wear due to the slack causing the gears to be impacted every time it takes up slack. Pulling in the clutch earlier as you come to a stop will lessen whatever damage it may cause if you need to put off the repair for a while.

    • @stoffle123
      @stoffle123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Skipshift thanks for the reply! Let's hope the new cushions turn out to be a permanent fix 🙏
      Regarding fixing it or not, I figured that'd be the case... I've just picked up a used tracer from the local dealer and after getting familiar for a bit I noticed the vibration which is more than likely the gronk as well. They recon it's just a tracer thing and no need to worry about it... Was a bit in doubt about how much I should push for a repair, so your insights and thoughts are most welcome. Thanks a lot!

  • @johannesmaas4080
    @johannesmaas4080 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is this an issue already with a new mt09 ? mine has 2000 km on it, 4 weeks old and makes that sound

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a possibility. I haven't heard of the newer MT09 having that problem as much, but it would be worth checking it out or having the shop check it out during a service.

  • @chipwood67
    @chipwood67 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Best I've come across up to now... I have yamaha mt 09 2022 with slipper clutch.. Problem is I get judder feathering the clutch to biting point once at Biting point judder starts vibration through arms at biting point.. I have to give 3000rpm before bike will start to move off to sort off force it out off the judder - vibration.. Above 5mph the clutch works great up and down the box... Never done clutch - friction reinstall.. If I buy the plates and judder spring I was hoping to sort the problem.. I've been told I have some stuck plates.. Been in storage since bought it 7 months ago but I've had the problem since first ride out.. Never test road big mistake on my part.. Question is even though your bike is Gen 2... Is friction plates and steels same as your video for reinstall... Yamaha don't want to know.. After 6 months bike still under warranty.. Advice appreciated.. Thanks

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The install should be the same. To the best of my knowledge they didn't really change much on the clutch setup.

  • @eliasdx-s6k
    @eliasdx-s6k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello friend I want to ask you after 10 mothns does the problem seemed again?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm happy to report that this noise hasn't come back! It may return eventually and I will definitely post an update if it does.

    • @eliasdx-s6k
      @eliasdx-s6k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Skipshift how many kilometers have you done?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eliasdx-s6k 2,300 miles, so around 3,700k. Looking forward to warmer weather so I can get back out and put on some more 👍

    • @eliasdx-s6k
      @eliasdx-s6k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@SkipshiftNice I would like to have a feedback after 10k kilometers and that's why because some people saying that after 10k the sound comes back

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eliasdx-s6k I'll definitely do a 10k update when the time comes.

  • @Kyre5049
    @Kyre5049 ปีที่แล้ว

    That remarkable. What would the rattle be in neutral?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If it comes and goes as you pull the clutch lever it could just be the slipper clutch. They tend to have a little more noise than a standard clutch when they have no load against them. Depending on the miles it could be slack between the clutch plates and the basket also.

    • @Kyre5049
      @Kyre5049 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Skipshift okay maybe the slack? Only noticed when removed the clutch. Sounds like a grinding, moaning, whirring, noise more than a rattle. I did have to take several attempts aligning the outer clutch and made inner case repairs as a previous owner over tightened and snapped the thread housing in the clutch case and required JB Weld. Didn’t require new threads at least not yet. Gosh thank you. Could I pull the cover and rotate in neutral to re create the noise or would the lack of oil flowing hinder this? This must mean maybe makes the same noise in gear being a constant mesh transmission just not able to hear or feel the vibration due to the rpm, sprockets moving ,etc 🐠. Thanks Skipshift.

  • @bokelund9176
    @bokelund9176 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what year model is the bike and will this noise cause problems if not fixed?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      This video would directly cover the FZ09 and MT09 up to 2020. The 2021 and newer models still have some clutch noise, but I haven't seen if it is caused by this problem or if it is noise from the slipper mechanism.
      Depending on how severe the slack is, it can possibly cause broken clutch disks and the rear plate slipping on the driven gear also introduces small metal shavings into the oil sump. It's not a 100% chance to cause bigger problems, but it definitely could increase the risk of bigger failures.

    • @danyk525
      @danyk525 ปีที่แล้ว

      Un cestello nuovo alternativo? Dove si possono comprare i nuovi gommini grazie

  • @dogsnmotorcycles
    @dogsnmotorcycles ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My clutch rattles when the bike is idling in neutral, but is quiet with the clutch pulled in. I replaced the clutch pack a couple years ago. No issues with performance, but the rattling noise at idle is annoying. Would replacing the primary driven gear resolve that? The bike has 33k miles on it.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be worth popping the side cover off and checking for slack on the gear like in the video. The idle noise can be quite a few things, and the slipper pressure plate can rattle a bit without a load on the clutch too.

    • @dogsnmotorcycles
      @dogsnmotorcycles ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Skipshift First thing I did was checked the slack between the gear and clutch basket and it was about as much as the one in your video.

    • @dogsnmotorcycles
      @dogsnmotorcycles ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I replaced the driven gear/clutch basket and the rattle is completely gone! My engine was recently rebuilt because of an oil pump failure and it runs great, now the clutch is behaving well and the bike is a joy to ride again.

  • @amilaganovic5030
    @amilaganovic5030 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello, i have a “problem” i just bought 2021 tracer 9GT and i hear a noise from clutch when stacionary no noise when i pull clutch only when its in neutral, othar than that clutch and gear shift work perfectly fine, i found on YT a lot videos whether people complain if the sound is normal even on new bikes or not… ??

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @amilaganovic5030 It could just be a little slop in the clutch basket. I've heard that from a lot of bikes that operate perfectly fine for years.
      If it concerns you too much, taking the side cover off of the engine isn't that big of a deal to get a visual on the basket. Check for play in the clutch basket, rotationaly and "wobble" on the shaft. Check for broken clutch discs and any slack in the clutch pack.
      All of that said, it could just be a noisy clutch. I've had a few Hondas, Suzukis, and other brands over the years that always had a little neutral noise but ran and shifted perfectly fine the whole time. If you start feeling a lurch or surging while under constant throttle, then it may be a sign of mechanical issues.

    • @amilaganovic5030
      @amilaganovic5030 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ i have contacted a few bike shops and most of them said its normal because clutch is free and not under tension but when it engaged clutch sound dissaper for 100%, i actually only hear it when on red light and with helmet ON then i can hear all vibratios of bike etc. when helmet of only can hear it if get ears close to clutch itseft

  • @hoverhead047
    @hoverhead047 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very interesting. I'd like to hear what your bike sounds like engine running, in neutral and clutch released. My MXT850 sounds like a bucket of bolts rattling around. I'm told CP3s sound like that. Would have an idea why that is and if it can be improved?

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The CP3 is definitely loud by nature. They idle like a 3 cylinder diesel and having an exhaust on them seems to make it even louder with more clatter.
      My bike has a full Akrapovic exhaust on it and is pretty loud at idle. The thin walled tubing just carries the tinny exhaust note to a whole new level. Off idle and under throttle they don't have as much clattering going on. It's one of those things that will either drive you nuts or you learn to accept it haha 👍

  • @vincesimard
    @vincesimard 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have this same problem but i'm wondering if leaving the clutch basket alone is risky? The guy at the dealership said to never touch the clutch until it starts slipping, and never change the basket.

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wouldn't live by that advice. There's plenty of things to go wrong before the clutch starts slipping. As for changing the basket, the new one will wear in shortly after you start riding.
      Not doing anything yet is probably fine though. The cushions being worn and causing the noise isn't going to necessarily cause a catastrophic failure. If it gets really bad it could contribute to breaking fingers on the clutch basket. If it gets too noisy it would be worth asking another mechanic to listen and diagnose themselves.
      Ride safe 🤘

  • @ttiization
    @ttiization ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mine does the noise only when I release the clutch at neutral. I believe it is not a problem that needs to be fixed

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably not. That sounds like a little basket noise from not being engaged, so no big deal. Ride on!

    • @ttiization
      @ttiization ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Skipshift yeah, it have 10k miles. It vibrates a little, but whit gear engaged or clutch atuated, there is 0 noise

    • @ttiization
      @ttiization ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Skipshift unless I drive with like 5% throttle or less, under 3k RPM, then the clutch doesn't feel really settled. You need to accelerate a bit more to have it feel like a solid unit

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ttiization definitely. It needs to be have a load against the engine for the slipper mechanism to really tighten up

    • @ttiization
      @ttiization ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Skipshift seems like it. I have a 250cc with simple clutch mechanism, it feels different. Just got the MT09, this is a bit new to me

  • @randomchannel1167
    @randomchannel1167 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I opened mine up and found that my basket was sheared in half and took a plate with it. Turns out that was the cause of my vibrations and I been riding it like that for 7k miles...

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  ปีที่แล้ว

      I've heard of that happening as well. Glad it didn't cause major damage before you caught it.

  • @ericrhinehart6055
    @ericrhinehart6055 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beethoven and clutch install!

  • @lllucky13
    @lllucky13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive got an MT09 GEN1.. 2014.. MY CLUTCH DOSNT MKE ANY NOISY SOUND.. MY ENGINE IS NOW AT 68.000 MILES.. my valves have never been checked.. so basically i would say.. STOP ABUSING UR MACHINE.. CHANGE PLUGS FILTERS AND OIL REGULAR.. no need for any silly noises if you respect your engine

    • @gpeaes
      @gpeaes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not checking your valve clearances is disrespecting your engine. As a Yamaha service tech, your CP3 has about a 66% chance of eating an exhaust valve in the next 10k-15k miles. Good luck!

  • @denys-y6k
    @denys-y6k ปีที่แล้ว

    music... damn. like for the last time

  • @zenos9302
    @zenos9302 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish i had a garage to do some work like this :D Last time i did clutch replacement was in front of the house and it began to rain like crazy. No fun at all =D

    • @Skipshift
      @Skipshift  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I spent many years working on bikes and quads out in the yard or under a lean-to. I understand exactly what you mean.

  • @Edward-ur5lg
    @Edward-ur5lg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rubber spacers

  • @Robihoo
    @Robihoo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful video