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- A well known problem with the FZ09 and MT09 is the clutch basket failing, or the drive cushions in the basket failing, and making an undesirable noise under low rpm engine braking.
In this video we'll go through inspecting the clutch and driven gear for these failures and what the cause is, along with installing a new driven gear assembly with included torque specs.
0:00 - Intro
0:10 - What it sounds like
0:28 - Tools you will need
0:51 - Draining oil and opening the engine
2:18 - Inspecting before removal
3:12 - Problem Found!
3:31 - Removing the assembly
6:20 - What causes the noise?
7:10 - How to fix the problem
7:52 - How the slipper clutch works
9:33 - Inspecting the clutch plates and springs
11:52 - Reassembling and installing the assembly
19:31 - Before and After clips w/ sound
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I was not expecting Moonlight Sonata during a teardown video but it was a welcome option over some of load BS drowning out any instructions given. Thank you sir.
This is IMHO the best video about MT09 CLUTCH. I think I can replace my clutch plates by myself. This is an ESSENTIAL video!
Thank you! I'm glad it is helping more MT09 owners.
By far one of the best instructional videos I've seen to date. Very knowledgeable and thorough. Thank you.
Thanks for checking it out! 👍
Lol, I'm a MMI certified mechanic with over 40 years experience and i couldn't have made a better video. Very nice job!
Thanks! I appreciate that 👍
this video was a piece of art
My clutch has been loud for a long time. It was really annoying, but would get quiet when I pulled in the clutch lever. I did buy a clutch boss holding tool. I replaced the whole clutch basket assembly, but I leaned the bike onto the side stand and didn't need to drain the oil. After heating the boss nut, a 1/2 inch impact wrench made it easy to get off. I may rebuild the old basket at some point, but it took a long time to get this bad. I have a service manual, but your video was really helpful. Thank you!!!
Excellent! Glad it helped you out 👍
Thank you❤ will definitely attempt this next time. I’m much more confident doing it myself after watching you do it.
Great Video!! Well done. I've been wondering about this clutch noise for a long time. I'm going to look into the cost for a new clutch basket for my 2015 FZ-09. Your video will help me a bunch. Thanks!
As always, your tech tutorials are the very best on YT. Fantastic video.
Thanks Eric! 👍
Just posting up to say thank you. Nice video capturing all the main points. I replaced the dampers on mine and looking forward to a quiet clutch.
Awesome, thank you!
Great video, well explained. I have been chasing this sound and have all the necessary parts. Thanks to your video I am ready to take on the task.
And now done. I went with an Extreme Creations clutch basket as it can be opened and the rubber dampeners replaced. It got rid of the annoying clonking sounds and a lot of vibration.
Struggled a bit with getting the clutch cover on the right way but other than that your video made it very clear. Thanks again.
Well done video. Thanks for the extra teaching about the slipper clutch
Now I feel better about the noise I was getting worried about! Great video great information. How do you only have 345 subs making great content like this?! 346 now 💪
Glad the video could help you out! Thanks for the sub also ✌
Beautifully explained 👍
Beautiful video man, thank you for your great work it helps a lot.
Great video with great master tech explanations!!! Thank you!!!!
Thank you, and thanks for watching! ✌
Nice video mate, good job very well explained. Thanks for taking the time.
No problem 👍
Beautiful video
Great video! Very informative
Thanks for watching! I hope it helped some people out!
EXCELLENT video
Excellent video.
Thanks for watching 👍
@YAMAHAXSR900 correct, the basket and cushion failures are pretty common.
The gloves are nitrile which is a recommended mechanic glove when involving oil and solvents, no fail there.
The oil change intervals for this engine are from 4,000 miles to 6,000 miles depending on FZ09 vs MT09. Worst case the oil had about 3k miles on it, if the previous owner serviced it regularly. That's an unknown variable so I gave the total miles in the bike instead. With a few k miles on the oil I'd expect it to have some color though, so likely nothing wrong there either.
Thanks for watching.
perfect video, my MT09 2022 just started making that noise. And it started around 6000 km...
Mine is 25000 km's, and I noticed a big vibrations in foot pegs, also noise in neutral is annoying
very nicely done video and good explanation but the driving comfort does not change and the functionality remains the same... I have neither advantages nor disadvantages
Отлично и много полезно видео.
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Beethoven and clutch install!
I wish i had a garage to do some work like this :D Last time i did clutch replacement was in front of the house and it began to rain like crazy. No fun at all =D
I spent many years working on bikes and quads out in the yard or under a lean-to. I understand exactly what you mean.
This was very interesting. I'd like to hear what your bike sounds like engine running, in neutral and clutch released. My MXT850 sounds like a bucket of bolts rattling around. I'm told CP3s sound like that. Would have an idea why that is and if it can be improved?
The CP3 is definitely loud by nature. They idle like a 3 cylinder diesel and having an exhaust on them seems to make it even louder with more clatter.
My bike has a full Akrapovic exhaust on it and is pretty loud at idle. The thin walled tubing just carries the tinny exhaust note to a whole new level. Off idle and under throttle they don't have as much clattering going on. It's one of those things that will either drive you nuts or you learn to accept it haha 👍
It could be those rubbers in my case too? On idle when cold its pretty quiet, when heated up, i hear rattle, when i pull the clutch it stops. Also my handlebars vibrate little.
If the rubbers are bad or have shrunk they normally make noise when cold too though. It could be regular clutch basket noise if it goes away when you pull in the clutch lever. It would be hard to say for sure without being there to hear it first hand.
Great video and new subscriber. Thanks I have 2020 Tracer 900 GT with 16,000 miles. In addition to hearing the noise of the clutch I felt like a vibration that I thought was chain and sprockets that needed to be changed. I changed last week and I feel part of the vibration that I felt before. Do you believe that this could also be related to this chronic clutch problem? Is this noise something I should worry about and do what you did or can I just ignore the noise?
Thanks for watching and the sub! 👍 The noise is pretty likely going to be related to the clutch basket. Either being cracked or broken, or just worn cushions. If it's just the cushions it can be ignored for a little while without any major repercussions, I just couldn't stand the noise any longer lol
@@Skipshift I don't like the noise either, but I also wouldn't want to spend more than I already spent on the 16,000 service miles😂. But it is what is it. Thanks 🫡
I still have a valid Yamaha extender warranty (Y.E.S) Spoke with the dealer this morning and Yamaha department seems like a chance the warranty will cover this defect.🙏
@@carvalhonj that would be awesome!
Great vid! Do you know if the fix is permanent, or will the issue come back over time? And what would be the risk of leaving it unattended, will it only get "gronkier" over time or is there a chance of something breaking?
Only time will tell if the fix is permanent or semi-permanent. It's all down to how the newer cushions in the basket hold up to heat and oil over time.
If it isn't replaced or repaired there could be a risk of breaking clutch plates if the slack gets too far out of hand. Also transmission components could see some wear due to the slack causing the gears to be impacted every time it takes up slack. Pulling in the clutch earlier as you come to a stop will lessen whatever damage it may cause if you need to put off the repair for a while.
@@Skipshift thanks for the reply! Let's hope the new cushions turn out to be a permanent fix 🙏
Regarding fixing it or not, I figured that'd be the case... I've just picked up a used tracer from the local dealer and after getting familiar for a bit I noticed the vibration which is more than likely the gronk as well. They recon it's just a tracer thing and no need to worry about it... Was a bit in doubt about how much I should push for a repair, so your insights and thoughts are most welcome. Thanks a lot!
Hello and thanks for sharing this instructional video. Today I replaced the broken clutch basket of my MT 09 Tracer (2016) for a completely new one.
I solved one problem but now I create a new problem while putting all the parts back in reverse.
So I have two questions.
Q1: Is it normal that the cam chain should not be too tight because I cannot get it tight.
Q2: One of the six bolts that secures the clutch springs is broken. What can happen when i am driving now that I am missing a spring?
Thanks in advance for your response.
If the chain will not tighten at all I would look to make sure the chain guides are in place properly first and go from there. Making sure the tensioner is the right length to put tension against the guide.
For the missing or broken spring, you will have less pressure in the clutch pack which could cause slipping and extra heat and wear in the clutch pack. I definitely wouldn't ride it like that unless you absolutely have to have it on the road.
Thanks for the reaction. I will follow your advice and hope i can fix these two issues. Otherwise I will bring my bike to a motorshop to fix it. Kind regards hw_moto✌🏽
Hi does your arrow on dot line up on the clutch cover and clutch arm on 22 plate Gen 3 it's offset and only lines up once clutch lever is pulled in..Gen one doesn't do the.. Gen 2 your bike same slipper clutch.? Thanks for any info..
On my Gen 2, lining the arrow up during assembly was the correct position. I'm not sure if they may have changed things on Gen 3.
Hi Best I've come across up to now... I have yamaha mt 09 2022 with slipper clutch.. Problem is I get judder feathering the clutch to biting point once at Biting point judder starts vibration through arms at biting point.. I have to give 3000rpm before bike will start to move off to sort off force it out off the judder - vibration.. Above 5mph the clutch works great up and down the box... Never done clutch - friction reinstall.. If I buy the plates and judder spring I was hoping to sort the problem.. I've been told I have some stuck plates.. Been in storage since bought it 7 months ago but I've had the problem since first ride out.. Never test road big mistake on my part.. Question is even though your bike is Gen 2... Is friction plates and steels same as your video for reinstall... Yamaha don't want to know.. After 6 months bike still under warranty.. Advice appreciated.. Thanks
The install should be the same. To the best of my knowledge they didn't really change much on the clutch setup.
my 2014 does this and its also vibrates alot at lower rpm, get smother up the rev range. i balanced the throttle bodies no difference. will new clutch rubbers solves this as well?
It could be that the rubbers are compressed or hardened and unable to absorb the jittery power at low rpm. Definitely worth taking a look at the driven gear slack to see if it's a noticeable amount.
I notice much less low rpm jitters with the new basket installed.
That remarkable. What would the rattle be in neutral?
If it comes and goes as you pull the clutch lever it could just be the slipper clutch. They tend to have a little more noise than a standard clutch when they have no load against them. Depending on the miles it could be slack between the clutch plates and the basket also.
@@Skipshift okay maybe the slack? Only noticed when removed the clutch. Sounds like a grinding, moaning, whirring, noise more than a rattle. I did have to take several attempts aligning the outer clutch and made inner case repairs as a previous owner over tightened and snapped the thread housing in the clutch case and required JB Weld. Didn’t require new threads at least not yet. Gosh thank you. Could I pull the cover and rotate in neutral to re create the noise or would the lack of oil flowing hinder this? This must mean maybe makes the same noise in gear being a constant mesh transmission just not able to hear or feel the vibration due to the rpm, sprockets moving ,etc 🐠. Thanks Skipshift.
I opened mine up and found that my basket was sheared in half and took a plate with it. Turns out that was the cause of my vibrations and I been riding it like that for 7k miles...
I've heard of that happening as well. Glad it didn't cause major damage before you caught it.
My clutch rattles when the bike is idling in neutral, but is quiet with the clutch pulled in. I replaced the clutch pack a couple years ago. No issues with performance, but the rattling noise at idle is annoying. Would replacing the primary driven gear resolve that? The bike has 33k miles on it.
It would be worth popping the side cover off and checking for slack on the gear like in the video. The idle noise can be quite a few things, and the slipper pressure plate can rattle a bit without a load on the clutch too.
@@Skipshift First thing I did was checked the slack between the gear and clutch basket and it was about as much as the one in your video.
I replaced the driven gear/clutch basket and the rattle is completely gone! My engine was recently rebuilt because of an oil pump failure and it runs great, now the clutch is behaving well and the bike is a joy to ride again.
I have this same problem but i'm wondering if leaving the clutch basket alone is risky? The guy at the dealership said to never touch the clutch until it starts slipping, and never change the basket.
I wouldn't live by that advice. There's plenty of things to go wrong before the clutch starts slipping. As for changing the basket, the new one will wear in shortly after you start riding.
Not doing anything yet is probably fine though. The cushions being worn and causing the noise isn't going to necessarily cause a catastrophic failure. If it gets really bad it could contribute to breaking fingers on the clutch basket. If it gets too noisy it would be worth asking another mechanic to listen and diagnose themselves.
Ride safe 🤘
what year model is the bike and will this noise cause problems if not fixed?
This video would directly cover the FZ09 and MT09 up to 2020. The 2021 and newer models still have some clutch noise, but I haven't seen if it is caused by this problem or if it is noise from the slipper mechanism.
Depending on how severe the slack is, it can possibly cause broken clutch disks and the rear plate slipping on the driven gear also introduces small metal shavings into the oil sump. It's not a 100% chance to cause bigger problems, but it definitely could increase the risk of bigger failures.
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is this an issue already with a new mt09 ? mine has 2000 km on it, 4 weeks old and makes that sound
It's a possibility. I haven't heard of the newer MT09 having that problem as much, but it would be worth checking it out or having the shop check it out during a service.
Mine does the noise only when I release the clutch at neutral. I believe it is not a problem that needs to be fixed
Probably not. That sounds like a little basket noise from not being engaged, so no big deal. Ride on!
@@Skipshift yeah, it have 10k miles. It vibrates a little, but whit gear engaged or clutch atuated, there is 0 noise
@@Skipshift unless I drive with like 5% throttle or less, under 3k RPM, then the clutch doesn't feel really settled. You need to accelerate a bit more to have it feel like a solid unit
@@ttiization definitely. It needs to be have a load against the engine for the slipper mechanism to really tighten up
@@Skipshift seems like it. I have a 250cc with simple clutch mechanism, it feels different. Just got the MT09, this is a bit new to me
Hello friend I want to ask you after 10 mothns does the problem seemed again?
I'm happy to report that this noise hasn't come back! It may return eventually and I will definitely post an update if it does.
@@Skipshift how many kilometers have you done?
@@elias1997dx 2,300 miles, so around 3,700k. Looking forward to warmer weather so I can get back out and put on some more 👍
@@SkipshiftNice I would like to have a feedback after 10k kilometers and that's why because some people saying that after 10k the sound comes back
@@elias1997dx I'll definitely do a 10k update when the time comes.
music... damn. like for the last time
Rubber spacers