Why Everyone is AFRAID of Eren - Every PAST Memory FUTURE EREN Time Travelled in Attack on Titan!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Attack on Titan Final Season episode 78 and aot episode 79 just blew our mind with Eren being killed by Gabi! Is Eren actually dead? or did him and zeke succeed in causing the RUMBLING? In this video we explain every time Eren Time travelled in Attack on titan. From him controling his own child self, his father Grisha yeager, Armin, and pretty much all the Eldians. We break down every detail in the AOT manga and Season 4 part 2 Episode 3, where Eren was seen to have time travelled and manipulated the future through the power of the Founding titan alongside Yimir Fritz.
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Eren sees the future that Sasha dies and Eren will do a rumbling. He has tried to change everything but always fails. And finally he surrendered to fate.
eren: is free
also eren: has been controlled by eren his whole life
Somebody controlling their own destiny? Sounds like freedom to me
I think he was controlled by Ymir. For the original founder to get revenge on the world. That's why he says to her that she's been waiting all this time for him because she knew he would end up there eventually.
@@dankusmemeus7093 you’re onto something
@@SatchPatch25 100% agree. I mean… why did Ymir create the attack titan? Ymir just needed proof that you can free yourself from “love.”
@@initializing_delete149 so the attack titan was created just by her will... Wow cuts deep
Kruger also told Grisha to go into the walls and start a family, meaning that Eren manipulated his own birth into happening
What you said makes sense but it didn't seem right. If Eren influenced his own birth it must mean that he would not have been born if he didn't make Krueger tell Grisha. Which also means that he shouldn't have been able to look through the past memories if wasn't even going to exist
@@elijahlupuwana That is what's called a 'causal loop', where a future event and a past event are the cause of each other; this happens with him influencing Grusha to take the Founder too.
He *did* make Kruger tell Grisha, there's no way he wouldn't have, because if he didn't, it'd be a completely separate story where the causal loops caused by the Attack Titan are gone
@@martinjoster3282 I still don't understand this time traveling in Aot. How can eren manipulate it like he wouldn't even exist in the first place so how is it possible like how does Attack Titan's powers work. Let's say Grisha didn't want to kill the the royal family in the first place but if eren didn't even exist in that time meaning there's no future of him at all then how is it possible all of it the manipulating and stuff?
@@ABVISSUALS It's easier to understand if you think 'it's always been that way'.
Because that's how causal loops work, they're paradoxical yes, but since thing A causes thing B, and thing B causes thing A, there's no real origin and it's just because that timeline happens to be that way.
The manipulating is possible because Eren got the founding titan, and Eren got the founding titan because of the manipulating.
Does it make sense if the timeline can change? No. Does it make sense if the timeline is static, and deterministic? Yes, *that* future is the one this world gets, no other future, and it's the future that allows it to work
@@ABVISSUALS Think of it this way, let’s say character A eventually time travels and kills character B. Now let’s say in present time, character A hasn’t time traveled and killed character B yet, the events of character A time traveling and killing character B still happened. I know it makes no sense but that’s the best way I can explain it.
So it might be possible that eren also influenced the memories of isayama to write the whole script in his favour!
😂
Lol 😂
Love that one
😂
YeS!¡!
Eren: "Hey dad, meet Armin:"
Grisha: "HOLYY SHHIIITTT"
Eren: "Hey, dad. This is my friend Armin. Also, the girl we saved is called Mikasa, right?"
Grisha: "We're going to die"
@@familyguysofunny1933exactly
Grisha didn't remember anything when he came to the walls. His memories were erased
@@Real_ZaxsterYT_here grisha lied, why do you think grisha named his son after eren kruger if his memory really were erased.
@@ashila96 AH sorry. he only forgot the time he became mindless titan and forgot everything for some temporary period. He did remember his life in marley.
That means Eren can’t actually ever be free, cause he was a slave to making sure this timeline played out like the way it was supposed to when it all came to him the moment he kissed Historia’s hand
That was the point I think. He sacrificed himself so the people on paradis could live free without threats
He became somewhat a madman. He experience past , present and future at the same time. But he only goes into a straight path which he unconsciously think is the correct path.
@@Nothing-nf8ve its not correct, its necessary.
@@qb4097 yeah. Necessary is the correct term. Thanks.
@@jonasgerideau1344 And yet a few decades after the rumbling paradises got rekt.
*Grisha refuses to kill*
Eren: Who said you can stop?
“Finish what you started”
Eren was the man of the house before he was even born 😂
@@jack604 legit true lol 😂
*unbuckles his belt*
@@jack604 fr 😭
Basically we watched entire series of eren making history go in his favor 🤯
It's so badass seeing prophecy being revealed before your eyes. Really wanted eren to end up with Mikasa, guess there's no simping in freedom lol
@@lilcrazy525 u crazy
more like "Life(the hallucigenia that gave Ymir the power of the Founding Titan)" is making Eren write history.
yep lol. and for good reason.
@@lilcrazy525 eren is with mikasa. spolier alert, eren wiped their memories before the war :)
It's kinda sad when you see someone like Dot Pixis turning into a titan and having a disgraceful end when he was the one who saved Eren Mikasa and Armin.
On god
Well it's still his fault for being a heavy drinker 😂😂
My boy Pixis 😩
@@OROgoldenpair1 Ayo why you nuttin????!!??
Pixis is the GOAT 😭 he ALWAYS did what he could to save everyone and then at the end accepted his fate like a boss!!
This all feels like a time loop where Eren is stuck in paths repeating his life until he gets the outcome he desires. Because, there had to be a timeline where he reaches the paths to be able to influence the next loop past to his liking. He probably got to paths in one timeloop and failed in his plan so he started all over again from the beginning but this time he was the director of his life. I really like the theory that Eren dream from first episode weren't future memories shown to him but instead it was the end of previous timeloop, and him waking up is the start of another one. Because he couldn't influence the past if he didn't got there on his own in the first place.
theres only one timeline dude
Theres no alternate timelines, just the one
I agree with you. There is a part where Kruger mentions to Grisha that they need to stop history from repeating itself. It’s when he is passing down the attack titan
@@zurielgonzalez7507 there had to be a timeline where he reaches paths to change the past to what he desires
@@TElias5 there's only one timeline but it can be rewritten apparently. Otherwise why introduce the mechanic of Eren influencing Grisha and Dina's titan? So in that way, there SHOULD be a first version of the timeline where Eren SOMEHOW gets the Attack titan without Grisha, who would've died because he didn't want to kill the Reiss children, and wouldn't have been able to give Eren the Founding and Attack titans. From there Eren would have to influence his father to actually kill the Reiss and give him both powers exactly where and when he did in this series.
Imagine being able to know everything that happened and everything that will happen in the future. As creatures that experience time in a linear way, not knowing the future means we're free to create whatever future we want... at least from our perspective. From the perspective of a god like figure who has all the knowledge, we wouldn't *really* have free will.
I don't think Eren manipulated everything to happen in his favor, rather.... once he started to see the past and future, he himself lost all agency. He did what he was always meant to do to assure the events play out the very specific way that they needed to.
The theme the show/manga is hitting on is freedom. Eren is a zealot of freedom, but ironically by knowing everything in the past present and future, he's a slave to time itself. The second he touches Historia, Eren loses all agency.
Sounds like Dr Manhattan
@@ParadiseLordRyu Exactly!
You just put it brilliantly, bravo. This manga is like a comentary on freedom, free will and so on. Not so much about the killing of titans. I, myself, was drunk on that narrative "the titans are the enemy" all the while having "who is the real enemy" on the back of my head. None of that mattered. That was not the point of the story. I believe that's why there's no real explanation to what is exatcly the power of the titans because, ultimatley, it doesn't matter. What it really means to be free is what matters. Not to over romanticize - in the end Eren, Ymir whoever we want to believe did it - brought down the walls, thus symbolizing freedom.
People really love the narrative that Eren was a selfish, evil tyrannical villain all along but I think it's the opposite. Eren was devastated by what he had to do, but he knew he had to do it. There were no alternatives that allowed Eldians to live in peace. In the moment that they had done everything they possibly could to obtain safety and peace for Paradis, and the Council stated that they'd still never truly trust Eldians, he knew he had no other choice if his people were to survive and know peace.
I believe that he tried every alternative, considered every possibility, and did everything he possibly could to prevent this from happening, but he eventually accepted that it was inevitable. I think he didn't "lose all agency." One could say that Ymir was the master manipulator or that Eren was a slave to time and fate but the truth is, there was an alternative to this end, and that was to allow Eldians to be eradicated. And that was the one choice that they had, and he chose to protect his people. In that, I believe he did have the ultimate freedom/agency, more than anyone else did, because only he could decide to follow this path to protect his people.
Does that mean the attack Titan never truly had the power to look into the future, but it was instead Eren who manipulated each user and showed them glimpses so they could lead to the path he took and achieve freedom in the future.
Yuuuppp. Just wait for it
For me this is fking plot twist of plot twists
@@Toni-xf5ss or rather an ass-pull
@@LoLMasterManiac it makes sense thus making it not a ass pull
@@jotarojoestar3533 you're a jojo fanboy, opinion discarded
I felt bad for Frieda Reiss. She looked like she really wanted to help Grisha. But then Frieda's mind got taken over by Karl Fritz.
Yes so sad, but at least she did everything in her power to protect Historia RIP Frieda.
That King's ideology was so pathetic to me as well.. I found myself getting as upset as Eren watching that episode...
@@tensurauchiha8198 thats why holders of the Attack Titan, always rebelled against the king because of his self righteousness. They saw what the future consequences of the kings action would be like.
@@markauditor7873 Him and his pathetic Ideology.. i get renouncing war.. but making people who didnt have anything to do with something that happened 2000 years ago suffer for it today is pathetic
@𝕋𝔼𝕄ℙ𝕃𝔸ℝ I don’t think anybody cares about Nazis or imperialist Japan anymore lmao
I noticed something in this episode. When Eren and Zeke were in Marley discussing their plan, Eren was going to shake hands when he agreed to the plan. But Zeke said they shouldn't touch yet, so they threw the baseball as a sign to the plan. Eren drops the baseball saying his reflexes are bad. Zeke has a surprised face. I believe Eren dropping the ball is similar to having your fingers crossed when making a promise. I think Zeke noticed it too that's why he had the surprised face.
yep i noticed that too
zeke throwing the ball is kinda like we gonna make a promise but eren dropped it becuse he had other plans
Bug brain
It was certainly a I don't fuck with you moment. In the manga, I felt like Eren gave him a much more revealing facw after he picked it up.
Dude watched a video and came here and claimed It was his own theory
The more I think about it, I completely disagree that all attack titans strove for freedom because of Eren. I think each of the 9 titans represent a piece of Ymir, either physically, or in the case of the attack titan, it represents Ymir’s subconscious yearning for freedom. Eren even says it to Ymir herself, “you led me here, didn’t you?” Ymir was the reason all attack titans went “against the self righteousness of the king.” It was HER desire. But just her desire, no Machiavellian plotting.
As for how Eren uses it on his immediate predecessors, I would agree with at least a few before Kruger, but there are too many variables over 2000 years for him to have been manipulating it ALL, he most likely started with whoever got the attack titan into Marley. And Hell, that could’ve happened even after the walls came up, maybe even 1 or 2 titans before Kruger.
I dunno, I just don’t think it’s actually necessary for Eren to have controlled everything from the start, only those who were immediately necessary to get the attack titan to him. I mean, hell over 2000 years there have been around 150 different attack titans, assuming they all lasted 13 years. That’s a lot of titans not really doing a whole lot for his goal.
When he reaches the other dimension time is non existent so maybe in the first timeline he didn’t control everything but in the one we are exposed too he did which is also another paradox because that would make the first timeline non existent meaning the timeline we are seeing is technically the first I think
Oh my god shut up
@@bkballa989 I agree. Shut up please.
this actually makes a lot more sense. I think it's thematically on-point too, that the slave wants freedom.
i always think like this. Ymir waited someone like Eren who desire freedom TOO MUCH
Just a tiny clarification. Zeke and Eren are using the power of the Founding Titan to go back into Grisha's Memories from the past. Not the Attack Titan's ability to send it's memories back into the past. Basically Founding Titan can see the past, Attack Titan can see bits of it's future from the next holder. Eren can't actually see anything from the Attack Titan as he is the last holder he can only send his memories back into the past to his father and other holders of the titan (such as Eren Kruger mentioning saving Armin and Mikasa.)
Think it's theorized that the Attack Titan can send memories to the past users. And not actually see into the future.
It's just that sending memories to past users, makes it seem like future sight for the past user
Yes, but Eren can still see his father's memories because he ate him, and therefore his own memories, so the future.
@BlueBoy I think it’s rather that, Eren IS the attack titan, and he is the one with the ability to send certain memories to his predecessors. No holder of the attack titan who wasn’t Eren couldn’t send past memories at all, meaning that they were basically just there to return it to the original and true holder of the attack titan, Eren. That’s why he only sent bits and pieces, and not the full picture in order to give them hope whilst manipulating them into thinking they were fighting for something justifiable.
No, Griesha already said, the Attack Titan ability is they can see past or future of its holders. Founding Titan has the power to control. Then with the help of royal blood, those 2 abilities is upgraded to allow Eren to control or influence the past or future. It's not exactly time travel, he just talk to them.
Eren can see his own future by looking at the memories Grisha saw of Eren
Not gonna lie though, this moment in the manga caught me off guard but I loved it. Great twist
I loved it so genious of eren 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Way better then boruto trash 🗑 stuck in filler 😆
Explain how it was genius of eren becuass I Didn’t quite understand what happened even in the manga
Great *TWIST* bruh
@@skizzler1232 I’m asking how it was genius of Eren. Not the twist. The twist is more for the stories plot. I’m asking like what did eren do that was genius when his head got sniped off lol
One of the moments I believe Eren manipulated past was during the battle of Trost: Armin would have been eaten and the path would have been set off course had Eren not seen the memory of him and Armin finding out about the ocean. I believe that in the moment where Eren lied atop that roof missing his leg, Eren showed his younger self that memory to motivate him to save Armin.
For sure
Dang I thought when he kissed historia hand he got the ability yeah Thts actually a good theory
@@camtc0292 weirdest part is, my cousin and I thought of this theory before the chapter even came out
@@zaccwiggins omggg nah this shi is crazy top 3 anime all time for me 😭
I dont think this works because they only see the memories of their future users, not their own future.
A moment of slience for those who thought aot would have a non consequencial ending
From the moment it was revealed that there was a continent across the ocean that held prejudice against the Paradisians it was pretty much set in stone
what does non consequential ending mean
@@hazeygrace8122 Well the were warned that if they ever tried to attack paradise and threaten it's peace, the rumbling would happen and kill them all, and it did.
@@gabsenechal2620 yep and Eren became that devil for them
@@Cars2155 an ending to the show that is happy rainbows and flowers
I love how Eren asks everyone why his mother had to die and get eaten by a Titan.... when he caused it all himself.
@☾…Omni 2 alïve ¿ ♪ couse maybe if young eren didnt see, his mother eaten by titan he wouldn’t have so much hate to titans and maybe didnt go to the “worrior” path. also smiling titan who killed eren s mom was originally supposed to kill Bertholdt, after he come back from titan form after destroing the wall, and eren needed bertholdt to all his plan. so basically eren sacrificed his mother to save his friends and for his ALL plan to succeed.
i think
@@ewanowaczyk723 ahhh smart man so in other words he decided to give himself one of those sad yet badass story lines because he wouldn’t have had the heart to continue his plan. kinda like the saying there is no gain without pain
Messed up story.
Ah, I love temporal paradox loop connections. They make me smile. It's funny that the Attack Titan's powers let you look into the memories of future successors... but by using it in the timeless space of the Paths, time has no meaning, so you'd be able to look at the First as the Last and Last as the First and all things inbetween. Gotta have a pretty open mind to go "Oh, I see. To ensure this even happens 45 years ago, I have to plant this instruction 100 years ago, which I'm doing now in the 'present', which I got from the idea of someone 200 years ago, who I ALSO planted the thought into so that they could give me that thought so I'm in this spot doing it. Okay. Got it." LOL.
...Yes. It both makes sense, yet just, it's not quite _perfectly_ logical.
Time travel loops and paradoxes always intrigue me. They’re a fun theoretical puzzle that you can mess around with without getting any real answers. I’ve watched countless TH-cam videos trying to explain movies like Tenet, or Terminator, and even shows like Stein’s Gate.
I think the time travel type here are the same as 12 monkeys.
I believe the MCU/dragon ball's version of time travel.where changing the past doesn't change the future since that past would now be your present and the future would be your past cause that's where you were Previously. So time loops don't make sense to me because if we believe grisha had killed the Reid's family before Eren had the attack titan because future Eren sent the memories that wouldn't make sense because Eren wouldn't have gotten the titan in the first place if future Eren didn't affect what grisha did
Basically I'm saying how does Eren affect grisha if never got the titan yet
@@superduper8795 basically , you know how different timelines always come to affect nd not just one it’s multiple nd basically in one of those timelines eren obtained the founding titan nd started manipulating everyones past to get his future even tho it was in the present but the future has already started in the past which makes it his present at the time
therefore he already obtained the founding titan in the future which is in his past but he made it his present
@@misterdgafukk so where is this stated in the manga ? or another dumb headcanon , just so the story might make any sens ...
Eren's "tatakae" mirror scene is pretty much like Grisha's where he loses will to kill the royal family. Future Eren also convinced/forced his past self to continue fighting or TATAKAE!
and why did grisha give eren the titan if he knew the future
@@esmerofranchescaa.2065 Because eren manipulated that too. Eren is responsible for every action grisha did since grisha got the attack Titan.
@@esmerofranchescaa.2065 Eren manipulated Grisha. He let his father see the future from his memory that the Wall will be destroyed and his mother's life is at risk but he didnt let his father know if Carla surived or not. So, It pushes Grisha to give the founding and attack titan to him instead of letting it be inherited by random eldian. Eren has been manipulating his father's action all this time. He's triggering his father psychologically.
It doesn’t make any sense because Eren was the one who convinced Grisha to kill the royal family but how would that happen if Eren never had the Attack Titan.
@@alana9478 Eren was always going to receive the attack titan because the future is set. The rumbling was bound to happen since the beginning. Even Eren said in the manga that he doesn't know why he wants to do it but he does.
It implies that Eren was actually not free in the first place. Eren was a slave to his destiny which was the event in the ending I dont really wanna spoil non readers lmao
I don't really remember exactly how it goes coz I read it like a year ago or something 😂
Eren when being told to command ymir to euthanize the eldians: "There's no way in hell I'd go along with such a messed up plan!"
also Eren: *genocides almost all of humanity with the rumbling"
He still wanted proof that he banged Mikasa.
if it means the freedom of his loved ones and friends so be it. The rest of the world became the enemy because they were manipulated and they chose to make the Eldians a martyr.
choosing between genociding your own people or them I choose them also when you euthanize that is pretty much what you are doing just at a slower pace.
well i think if eldians were to be euthanazied marley still wouldn't drop their guard until the last eldian dies so basically eldians wouldn't die peacefully
@@ernie.99 hmmmm... you might want to double check the meaning of the word 'euthanize'
I feel like Eren made this video to rewrite my memories of the anime
I started rewatching from episode one this week and there are little things in every episode that shock me knowing what i know now. Like when Grisha is scolding Eren for running off to save Mikasa alone, Eren replies "i didn't know how else to save her" and Grisha immediately stops yelling with a shocked look in his face.
That shit blew my mind.
Wait what do you mean ? That in every other timeline, Mikasa dies or because his father already sees him as the all knowing being who influences him ?
What do you mean? What was the reason to stop?
@@jean-jacquesfrancais6589 Because before giving Grisha the attack titan, Kruger tells Grisha "Save Armin. Save Mikasa" without ever knowing who they are. In other words they needed to be saved at all costs (due to Erens future memories). Little Eren acted on something he seemingly had no knowledge of. He never even met Mikasa before that day, but "somehow" he knew.
@@EpicCouchPotatoes ☝️
The founding titan has the power to manipulate memories, hence how the people of paradis island did not know of the titans' origins or their exile. In the paths, Zeke is using the aforementioned founder's power to affect memories in order to show Eren the truth. The attack titan's true strength is its ability to have his own will and not be affected by the founders brainwashing. Had Zeke not tried to show Eren the truth he would not have been able to affect the memories of Grisha.
Then what will happening in present time?😂
@@indra-mu5be the current events happen. The fact that Eren was able to affect Grisha means that Zeke was going to have to show all of it to Eren. It was all already set to happen even before all it began.
Makes you think, if eren manipulated gisha in beeing a bad father to zeke.
Actually i think Zeke used the founding titan to go back and watch Grisha’s past, everything played out exactly as it did in the past. Eren then used the Attack Titan to send his memories to Grisha at the exact time that they were in, essentially turning that situation into a livestream of the past.
@@rubikfan1 nope. not possible. eren could manipulate grisha only after he got the attack titan from kruger. Remember grisha said "the attack titan can glimpse into the memories of its future inheritors"
Imagine if Zeke missed Eren's head.
That's why probably eren Influenced zeke's mentor to play catch with him, to be sure zeke is a good catcher :))
@@alexanderandrew6535 makes sense bruh
He would be fine remeber when they tried to cut off reiners head and he explained he cant for even when decapitated
@@alexanderandrew6535 lmaoooo. His baseball skill was prepared for this very moment 😭😭😭
@@alexanderandrew6535 damn this blew my mind
This may also mean that “The Owl” side of Kruger is Eren Kruger being manipulated by Jaeger Eren.
😂😂😂 that's hilarious if you think about it
It's literally being said in the video 😂
eren kruger was never manipulated by eren because he was just like eren
@@ErutuffLOL He was, Kruger mentions Armina and Mikasa. He had no idea how he knows those names despite knowing about the Attack Titan's powers, meaning it must have been something else.
Why he didn't change the past completely: He needed to be born.
His goal the entire time: Rid the world of titans.
As just planned
Exactly. He couldn't do anything in the past that caused himself to not be born. It's the opposite of the grandfather paradox but it had the same type of dynamic.
What a journey. 10 years in it all. The theories, the community. The hype. It’s been so fun
Something we need to acknowledge. Because of Erens actions…. That means EVEN the original Attack Titan would have been influence by hints of Erens memories. Meaning the reason there was even a left over Resistance in Marley was because of Eren’s future actions.
And the reason they only get "hints" of his memories is because he manipulated the memories of past users with the founding titan right?
@@Pikachu-vj5jr lets just say it close loop
@@Pikachu-vj5jr i thought the attack titan had its' own freedom, hence why it never followed the will of the Fritz, or the founding titan.
@@retardsonacid2631 but it could just be eren pushing every past user to be "free", because eren is, at the end of the day the world's biggest rebel - so much so that he killed everyone to get his own way
@@glitterbreadman7210 good point
One little detail you forgot to mention I think. So basically Eren instructed Dina's Titan to kill his mother not only for his hate and rage to grow but also to give that last push to Grisha in giving him the attack titan. We know this because Grisha asked Eren "why don't you show me when the walls come down, what happened to Carla", basically Grisha saw the future of everyone dying yet he doubted of killing the Reis family because he is a doctor and swore an oath, in any other circumstance he would never allow Eren to delete the world but on Ep 2 upon knowing about Carla's death, he lost all hope and got fill of hatred towards the world, leaving everything on the hands of Eren to Destroy the world.
he probably didnt mention that bc that wasnt mentioned until later towards the very end of the manga. That wasnt released this episode
But why eren did this?
@@fedodedo9212 this guy spoiled bc this part wasnt in the anime yet.. but eren did it because he knew that would be the best way to push himself to have enough hatred to want to fight the titans, as well as to push his father to lose all hope and give his son the founding titan which grisha knew would mean the world would end at some point since future eren who had the full power of the founding titan and attack titan sent him memories of the rumbling.
I think other than this, he also need Bertholt to be safe, so that the Colossal Titan will be passed on to Armin. Eren lines from the manga that during the destruction of the walls that Dina's titan is about to get Bertholt but sent it his mom since it is not the time for Bertholt.
@@drunkenpanda2142 it was more so that there WAS no other way. He couldn’t find any way for the events to happen the way they did without having his mom died. He tried to save her but can’t
The fact EVERYONE that exists only exist because eren LET THEM… like literally nothing is a coincidence NOTHING.. his aunt being mauled by dogs to make sure his dad joined the resistance.. making sure zeke was born to have blind love for his brother so he could use the founding titan without being held to the vow 😭😭
I literally CANT HANDLE IT!!!
But what about potatoes 🥺🥺🥺🥺
The pigs
There is no evidence that eren killed his aunt
@@surgrus4367 didn't one of the guards have the Attack Titan?
@@Autumn_Blessings yup, eren kruger was one of the guards and he had the attack titan
It makes sense that ymir, of her 9 Titan powers that were passed on to her children, one was rebellious, as if a small part of her psyche was trying to stand up for herself.. Instead it manifested into the attack Titan. Which is ultimately the one to free her
Brilliant
Perfect words to summarize 💯
I know a lot of people did not like the ending of AoT, but I personally thought it was one of the most satisfying endings period. Eren is a great character, and the story had huge payoffs.
You can tell that Gabi was playing call of duty her aim is accurate as hell 😂😂
GarbagGABI
360 no scope Gabi in the building
never liked her ugh.
Basically Gabi is responsible for Eren's current titan form. Thanks Gabi.
@@beamertoy Well it would have happened if she didn’t shoot him and they touched naturally either way...
I think Eren and Dio Brando would be good friends.
Dio is literally his brother tho
This comment made my night 🤣
So thanks.
@@lordvastor98 huh didnt know that
@@sans5466i guess you just started aot 💀
@@sans5466 same VA
That time I got reincarnated as a bird 😂
🕊
@Saade yeah
@Saade how about now i think its a good moment
@@ajaypj8 a few more days man
@@damantoasty2973 How much longer, he missed many good moments to laugh
I don’t think Eren influenced his younger self to kill the kidnappers.. he said him self that he’s always been that way
Eren knew Titans era would end with him since the beginning because he could not see the memories of a new attack titan owner after him, only his own future memories. So he knew he was the last attack titan and controlled the narrative for previous owners to make the end of Titans happen.
The script is just sick itself. Then you had the drawings and animation, music, acting and voilà.
I'm so disappointed ya'll didn't use the GTA "dead" scene for Eren 😂
“WASTED”
Dark souls “you died” makes it more meme worthy
Because he's not dead 😏😏
Dark souls is better than GTA
Dark souls better normie
he's not time travelling. they're going through memories. he says this.
They visited several memories that they never witnessed… I think Sieg said it was memories without realizing the whole picture: accessing moments from the past (which then could be manipulated). Hence the loop.
He basically time traveled by going into the memories, and using the powers of the attack titan seeing the future, he spoke to the past.. through the future, hence time travel.
He goes trough memories and effects them to do what he wants, it's not exactly time travelling since he isn't there but it changes the present from the past, basically having the same effect as time travelling.
Bruh yesterday I saw so many memes that zeke was playing baseball with erens head
Lmao wat
@@srslydoatm9251 eren head becums a ball
@@black-ev3ko I saw what you did there
IM SORRY WHAT
@@marioodysse4661 funny thing, maybe eren manipulated Zeke into learning how to throw and catch a baseball just for this moment
Thats why when young eren kiss Historia's hand, he's now conflicted of what he has to do. Because in reality, the freedom he yearns was never for himself. It was for the Eldians. Thats why he is so depressed and conflicted. How he cries out loud on Ramzi, how he cries about not wanting Mikasa to forget about him and how he doesn't want to die. Its like everything is now falling according to plan and what he can only do is to move forward. I think his life is never his to begin with, that's sad.
I think you underplayed how the Paths dimension's time works - I don't remember exactly what he said, but Zeke mentions (or implies) that he was there either 100's or 1,000's of years before Eren wakes up. They then relive Eren's entire life through memories, implying they spent at least about 20 years- if not more from possibly repeating some memories - just trying to get Eren on Zeke's side. We can assume easily that they were both in that realm for at least a century or more within literally a single tiny fraction of a second in the real world. Crazy.
His human form is still gone forever, pretty damn crazy moment with in hindsight permanent consequences afterall to that shot, crazy crazy stuff, super tragic. Though the fact Eren likely knew that he was gonna be shot like that- but likely didn't know the exact precise series of events that'd lead to the exact moment to be able to avoid it- I think thats one of the reasons he was in such shock in season 3 ending there he saw most things that'd happen past present and future including sasha and himself getting shot/ head wiped clean off, so I mean he knows his human life is about to end and he's gonna essentially be stuck as as head in titan founding life support so no wonder he's so full of despair from then on out, I mean dudes barely 19 years old and his human life is gone forever I dont even think the founding titan power can heal his body thats basically it, but he still has the confidence and will to flex that hard in the paths dimension knowing in the real world he's beyond screwed and essentially dead thats pretty insane
and why did grisha give eren the titan if he knew the future
@@esmerofranchescaa.2065 supposedly grisha believed no one else was worthy of obtaining the attack titan. S1 Eren’s mom tells his father of Eren wanting to join the scouts with Eren explaining of him wanting to fight for freedom and see what’s beyond the walls which influenced his father to pass on the titan that’s been known to fight for freedom to him!
Wouldn’t he still be able to regenerate his body? Since he has the founder Titan now he can basically do w.e he wants
@@drekage7571 Not really sure ya know, I mean like for example if he can literally do anything why wouldn't he transform those who Zeke just made into pure titans like Pixis and the rest of the scouts and etc. back into human form? he either does not want to for some random reason, or he cant one of those would have to be the correct answer yeah? but yah its not said outright but will see, I think his injury was just way way more critical then any other one we have seen though founding titan or not guess will see soon hopefully if when it did that it connected his body to the titan and back to his head again, hopefully, but if its just his head then he may be stuck like that even as crazy as Reiner's injuries were after he was thunder speared in season 3 and after Zeke was blown up and sliced to oblivion from Levi there nape/spine were somehow still intact, but with Eren I mean that was a clean 100 percent decapitation, then again maybe he can heal his body but might not even care to we shall see!. The founder Titan is powerful and a crazy thing still would like to know more about what it actually is what kind of lifeform how it has access as a biological lifeform to some alternate paths dimension and then it can somehow merge with/transport others to this place etc. But thats why its fantasy ya know lol doesn't got to make perfect sense, just has to be awesome and enjoyable and it certainly is that thats for bloody sure! but the Founding titan still has its limitations even aside from the renounced war clause other holders were bound by its certainly no "God" its like diet omnipotent/omnipresent at best lol, but it is very powerful, but seems to also have limitations as well.
Eren could've regrown his body if he so wished.
I'm pretty sure the reason Grisha could fully see Zeke and hug him/interact with him was because he now had the founding titian along side the attack Titian
Omg right!!!
@@Personal_CMA you know- that makes sense
The creator of AOT was really a huge fan of Frank Herberts - Dune. Like in Dune, the God Emperor could see into the lives of his future selves. Knowing the future, the God Emperor hatched out a plan to become the most ruthless oppressive tyrant in all the known universe for 3000+ years so no one could ever forget it, to punish the known universe with 3000+ years of extreme tyranny so that it was felt in DNA of every living intelligent being for thousands of years, so that it was impossible for the known universe to forget it. When he finally perished after living for 3000+ years, they'd know to never ever allow a tyrant to ever rule over them again. Eren acting in accords with the God Emperor. He will become the ultimate bad guy to create ultimate peace.
This is lelouch from coded geass as well
Too bad the world destroys itself again 2000 years later, as shown in the manga
Happy to see a fellow Dune nerd here. People here just referencing code grass like Dune didn't already inspire Star Wars and in turn Kentaro Miura to write Berserk and so so many other works of modern fiction. Sorry for ranting, I just feel the original six Dune books don't get enough credit for what they have done.
@@pratikmandal1350 the code geass wankers are annoying
@@Pikachu-vj5jr I know. My best friend is one of them. A good guy, but just won't shut up about it. Like it's the birthplace of all the tropes ever.
Eren: There's no way I could go along with such a messed up plan
Also Eren: MASS GENOCIDE HELL YEH
Attack on titan:
Directed by eren
Written by eren
Produced by eren
S1- go Eren
S2- niceee power Eren
S3- wait what Eren
S4- RUN ITS EREN
love or hate aot you got to admit this was one of the most hype and influential thing to come out of japan
not even top 5 lol
it is growing steadily tho
Hype yes influential no
It definitely is influential
Just hype, Def not influential
That parallel Eren failing to catch the baseball and then Zeke catching Eren's foocking head
Grisha doesn't want to kill children
Eren: let me explain to you how it going to benefit you in the future.
The Attack titan represent Ymir seeking freedom, and how the attack titan seek freedom to set her free, kinda sad how Eren lost his freedom in exchange over and over in a endless loop
He probably made Levi short
Tbh, Armin wasn't even that much taller and he didn't even care. Why was Levi so hung up about his height?
@@twilightexposure8431Levi is 5’2. No man wants to be that short and look like a child
His height probably helped him during combat, hence why he is so fast and agile.
@@twilightexposure8431 armin was above average as an adult but levi wasnt
Eren has a very good character design tbh, from being the oh so regular anime protagonist to being a character who literally makes himself the villain to make others have freedom is a big but interesting change. Sometimes I get concerned that I have the same mindset of making myself the villain to make others have freedom but that's besides the point. The time memories thing tho is still kinda confusing tbh.
I think that it's in our nature to want the best for others but leaving them at the same time
@@Oddie99000 agreed
It’s the same ending as code geass
Hes Like Lelouch
little bit like code Geass
What about the first time Eren came in contact with royal blood with Dina? I really believe Eren interacting with memories and previous users is what gave the attack titan it's attribute of always seeking freedom and resisting the self righteous of the king. Him interacting with Grisha confirms he can do that. Glad this video said that.
That's a good point. Maybe that is where thr Attack Titan acquired the ability to share it's memories. Kind of like how it acquired the hardening ability by drinking whatever was in that vile. Then of course Eren kissing Historia's hand also.
Eren was the whole Anime Essentially.
If you think about it, it’s all grishas fault in a way.. if he didn’t let his future memories effect his actions, the whole story would play out differently.. the timeloop literally starts the moment grisha followed his future memories
This no one's fault, the story is seen from an ultra-determinist point of view, so no one possess free will and everyone is a slave of the past, the present and the future. Grisha is not free, not is Eren, they are just puppet of the timeline they are in.
Eren technically scored a touchdown 🏈
When eren's friends don't want to be extinct eren then choose to eliminate humanity then eren's friends don't want to destroy humanity. Eren be like: "guys pick one! You can't have both!"
Now I want to go one step further and say that Carl Fritz was the one who orchestrated everything that happened. It was Carl Fritz prophesied the rumbling, he said that if Marley interrupted paradise islands peace it would trigger the rumbling. I think that when Eren kissed historias hand king Fritz’s agenda began influencing Eren and the prophesy truly began.
Future Eren was behind it all, this blew my mind completely. Man was literally plot itself. Its crazy because he had to kill his own Mom to get to the point we're at now which, if you think about it, thats really fucked up.
Barricades called it
Eren is a slave to Eren.
OKAY, but hear me out... Eren can rewrite Eldians throughout time both mentally (change their memories) and physically (euthanize them). Correct? If his knowledge and ability to manipulate the past attack titans and Eldians was so perfect to the point where he is the crux of all attack titan's powers (they can't read the future, they were just sent memories from the future from Eren).... WHY IS THIS HIS PLAN!? Couldn't he rewrite Ymir herself the instant she got her powers? This might be a conflict of power between 2 founding titans, but then couldn't he rewrite all Eldians to not turn into titans? Did Ymir construct this all to happen while feigning everything as Eren's ideas? Eren seems to be WAY too smart to allow that to happen, there definitely could have been a better plan to achieve freedom. The only way this all was allowed to come to pass is if everything HAS to be a perfect time loop stemming from the path realm. Which means the past 2000 years had to occur naturally without manipulation but also through the will of Ymir and Eren's manipulation simultaneously. Eren wouldn't allow any of this to happen unless it HAS to happen this way. But if everything is a perfect time loop, how did Ymir not realize she wasn't a slave to the Royals the second she got her titan powers until Eren told her in the path realm? Maybe Eren just sucks at planning after all
This is interesting.
I totally agree with you that there could and should have been a better plan if he wasn't restricted by the time loop thing. If he was, and (taking a steins gate approach) certain world events needed to happen at time converges, then that makes sense. But I disagree about your last point about ymir. The whole thing with her and Mikasa was to highlight the Stockholm syndrome ymir had. Her king was the first to value her, and her purpose was to serve him. She continued to do so for 2,000 years until she gained the confidence to break the cycle when she saw Mikasa gain the strength to kill the love of her life.
I think this is interesting because if Eren prevented Ymir from becoming a titan, how would he get the power to prevent her from becoming a titan.
Big brain
Damn that’s interesting
Eren flips then runs away like Joseph Joestar and approaches Zeke like Dio and gets one shot Fortnite Hunting Rifle by Gabi.
It's more like the Heavy Sniper Beretta
I wonder about that guy who threw the spear that Ymir intercepted(after which she chose to die). It seemed that guy and that moment was important, a kind of really big "I am Spartacus" moment, but nothing more of it was reflected in the rest of the story until the finish.
I wonder if the attack Titan was that part of Ymir's flesh that was pierced by the spear? And that's why the attack Titan has always been about defiance, and the will to regicide. Maybe that's why he always has the most demonic appearance. He's the abraxax, the culmination of future endeavour
Wtf is an abraxax.
I remember when everyone was saying “hey *this random ass guy* in episode 2 looks a bit like eren in season 4” and people called them crazy and said they were reaching, I wonder how all those people feel now that it’s confirmed that eren can basically time travel
bro i got chills when i first saw those pics and yeah it's fucking crazy
What time did he mention it in this video??
I think you’re mistaken on Eren sending memories back to himself, as the Attack Titan holders can only send memories back to previous Attack Titan holders, and not themselves. That’s why he sent his memories to Grisha, so that past Eren can see those memories from Grisha.
You have to understand the concept of time here. All timelines co-exist at this very moment, the version he is now isn't the same as his future version, they may be the same people but not the same at all
Imagine a cellphone getting access to an IA Library, that's what happened when he first touched Historia, he connected himself to a full library where himself got the knowledge of many timeloops he's been... if you rewatch that final episode in season 3 final, his expression changes in an extremely short amount of time...
Think at it as if you could send your past self as many instructions in the less time possible so you can achive more but without throwing the chance to reconnect😅😅 sry its wayyy to complex to express ngl
Don't forget Eren himself was manipulated too. ymir made him do it to she influence Eren in the first place
Eren's ability to manifest his own destiny was a very smart way of giving him the plot armor he deserves (as the main protaganist) while maintaining a sense of logic.and fairness within the story.
Nice theory, but I don't agree that every decision every character made throughout the entire series was the result of future Erin manipulating them. Yes, there were key moments that Erin did manipulate, but I don't believe he was behind EVERYTHING such as Erin defending Mikasa from the bandits and things like that.
I mean, at this point everything is possible
Ah but that's when Mikasa had her ackermann snap
I think another reason eren was so committed and confident that he is right is because he received no memories, no future attack titans and this must have solidified that no matter the cost he must end the titans
When he talks to Armin in the memory and says "I don't know why I did it, I just wanted to. Armin you were right I am a slave to freedom." Honestly it confuses me because why else would Eren manipulate the past the way he did? Did he live a bad timeline one in which his friends and paradise were destroyed causing him to go back and make adjustments. I try to understand it like how timelines in the MCU work and that's the only way I can paint a picture to understand why he did what he did.
Eren influencing Karl Fritz decisions is probably the biggest mindblower here. Love it!
Eren did not manipulate Kruger's memories. Grisha did. "Protect Mikasa and Armin" were his exact words when he gave Eren the basement key, right before he injected the serum.
So eren manipulated Erwin to slap Levi’s hand away and showed him the convo between him and his teacher ?
That’s crazy
Eren has manipulated his dad and his past self to make sure what happened happened
So did eren originally not have the founding titan? He just used the attack titans power to tell his father to eat the previous founding titan which in turn gave eren the founding titan?
Eren asked Ymir :"Are you the one who guided me till now? " I think from the moment she created the attack titan she started showing Eren some souvenirs (I don't know which) hoping to be saved by someone and Eren followed (while having in mind the solution on how to cure her love sickness ). Thus he did everything needed to gain the power to alter the past to achieve the future he wanted. Pretty complicated huh
My personal theory on this is that Eren (1st timeline) got to the same point with Yimr and Zeke, but in that 1st timeline Armin & Mikasa had both died and their deaths helped drive his initial hatred for titans + desire for freedom, so he altered the original timeline to make sure Armin & Mikasa survived.
One thing I still wonder about : in the end, Eren did not achieve his goal (ending wars in the world) since the cycle of hatred will always continue. Wasn't Zeke's soft eradication plan actually the best way of achieving this goal ??
Like Erwin said, there will always be war and hatred until there is just one human left. Like you can see Post credits, even though there were no Titans anymore, there always gonna be wars, like all of AoT didn't mean anything for the whole history of the world. I think Eren's knew that from the moment he knew the truth about the outside world and his goal was for his friends to see the truth and be able to live a "happy" live until they die of old age. He wanted to be stopped by them, otherwise he could have just stopped them from it, because of the powers of the founding titan.
Eren out here making big brain plays
Let's be grateful that there are no walls in America.
Jesus Christ, these rapid-fire cut edits are giving me whiplash.
Yeah...it's too much.
Its crazy to think Eren influenced Mr. Ksaver to persuade Zeke to tell on his parents and influence him to be a good baseball player
Had to stop watching once they switched narrators 10:48
So basically eren forced the future 2037028229 times?
Can we also assume that he sent back "instructions" to The Owl in the past to kill Grisha's sister?
But why? The events already happend in the future,why does he have to go back in time to controll the orders so they can happen again? He dies in the end..what was the fucking point of this?
@@vi8742 it’s a time paradox.
The owl didn't kill the sister. He was sitting with Grisha while the other guy fed her to the dogs.
@@vi8742 he's been going in back in time to change things to create different outcomes in the future . The outcome he wanted was kill 80% of humanity and make sure paradis survived. He hasd to ensure his father sister was killed so that the events would fall into place for his desired outcome
After seeing the final episode I believe Ymir manipulated Eren a lot, so she can be set free by him and Mikass.
for people wondering why eren didn’t change things sooner in history, first off he had to still work within the confines of him being born and existing in a way where he reaches the point of obtaining the founding titan power, and then from there his only goal was to give mikasa and armin a good life. there has to be a little bit of suspension of disbelief here because surely with the ability to influence all eldians he probably could’ve created a better outcome where all three of them could live and there be less bloodshed but isayama talked about how eren being trapped by this future reflected his own feeling of a lack of freedom having already decided the ending of the manga and staying on that path regardless of his power to change it and the pressure of what his decisions would mean after the series took off to such heights, which i think is really cool!
Great video but you missed a step, Eren didn't create the predeterminism loop of previous attack titans. He was just the last piece in a long line of unchangeable events. If anyone was capable of planning it out it would've been Ymir, the first piece in the long long line of dominos. If Eren was capable of changing the past, rather than performing his intended/accidental role, he could have easily made one tiny misstep causing himself (and any plans he had accumulated up to that point) to fall apart and never have existed. And Eren's never been considered one of the smartest characters, he would've failed at least once over a 2,000 year plan.
You have to remember that time doesn't exist for Eren once he had the full founding titan's powers. He can do something and immediately see what the result would be, changing it before it could even happen again as time happens both all at once and not at all. Truly is a paradox!
@@nex7465 Being omnipresent wouldn't automatically grant omniscience (which he couldn't of been, technically he could only alter/interact with Ymir descendants), those are two distinct things. It's also consistently shown as a singular timeline, which would require him to be bound to predeterminist rules. Nothing he can change in his past could (significantly) change his present state, or he wouldn't of been in the situation to make those changes and it wouldn't of happened. Super easy to create paradoxes with time travel, that's why most creators are lazy and just go with multiverses where they could attempt an infinite amount of different approaches (Future Diary comes to mind). Predeterminism is one of those philosophical concepts that require A LOT of work to pull off, so most don't even attempt, it has a lot of baggage.
Plus, he's still just a mortal teenager (even with a potentially near infinite amount of time/experience) with average intelligence. He'd go insane trying to even keep track of his attempts and results, every failure compounding and causing other mistakes etc. If you can even call him himself after he got the memories from touching royal bloods, subjects of Ymir are all slaves in one way or another.
@@LolDongs69 idk bro, having infinite time/experience even with avg intelligence can make anyone extremely dangerous and successful.
@@LolDongs69 Granted, that does require him to be able to change the past instead of just see memories.
@@LolDongs69 Eren IS in a predetermined loop. The Attack Titan isn’t the one who has the ability to see the future. EREN, owning the founding Titan and with the help of Zeke, was able to go back into the Paths. There isn’t a “start” of the loop because circles have no beginning point, it is a paradox. That is why Eren is so fixated on freedom, it’s why he says at the end of the 3rd season he says “When I kill all my enemies across the sea, will we finally be free?” Because he knows he is going to literally kill everyone (or at least try) with the rumbling, but he doesn’t know if he will be out of the loop after that. Because Eren has never free, his future actions affected his past, which in turn determines his present. He knows he can’t change what’s meant to happen because it’s ALREADY happened! Mind fuck times a million lol
Eren is technically the smartest character in Aot. Change my mind ☕️
nope he is easily the dumbest in the series
@@Wavyfrompluto he wouldn't be able to do what he does if he was dumb.
@@houseofaction like what? Following everything Ymir wanted him to do
@@CelesQuinn Yeah I know
Hardly. Him doing what he did is not necessarily down to smarts because if he took a route that resulted in failure he'd still have the ability to go back and change it or foresee it and take a different path. It's not due to proper planning and incredible ability to manipulate but rather due to trial and error and in a sense having almost infinite power. If he was the smartest he'd figure out a way to fix everything without so much death and tragedy. Why not eliminate the ability of eldians to become titans, similar to Zeke's plan but still leaves the option to live and have a family, and would be able to see the future and make necessary changes in the past to maximise on lives saved and possible peace, or even save everyone by giving his past self the knowledge he now possesses.
Help me out here. If Grisha originally never took the Founding from Frieda, how does Eren gain the ability to travel back and persuade Grisha to kill Frieda? It's the Grisha not taking the Founder loop that doesn't seem to fit
ii think there are multiple timelines nd not just this one , but it still wouldn’t make sense tho becuz even if his father ate frieda in the first place does dat mean future eren would have had to start from a different timeline to get his plan in motion🤔
Because eren is traveling to the past using the attack titan's power not the founding titan power
@@lahrachelmehdi6888 the attack titan doesn't allow travel, it would only allow him to see his successor's memory. But Eren has no successor so he could only see his own future in his father's memories. I get how Eren could manipulate events with the Power of the Founding, but in a timeline where Grisha never receives the Founding, Eren doesn't have the power to manipulate past events as he does in the current timeline. Its an interesting concept but full of holes if you break it down(like the ending..). I try to enjoy the basics, titans killing people just because they can.
@@darrylclark8566 The attack titan supposedly works in reverse with being able to influence past memories of the previous attack titan since time is not linear in their universe. He can literally go back and make an inception of the future in a past attack titan's mind to influence or convince them in promoting his agenda towards "freedom".
I think the time traveling consciousness is the power of the Attack Titan not the Founder. Ymir created the Attack Titan who have it's own will to save herself from being a slave because she couldn't do it on her own.
Wait a second. We’re all taking it for granted that ‘Eren’ is the one showing memories and manipulating the past users, but when are we even shown how eren can show memories to the others?
And this whole time, Eren had to at first live through his life in ignorance, only to manipulate it later on, in only to “complete the loop.”
I think it’s fair to say that the Attack Titan is the one who’s manipulating the users, and Eren just happens to be the last one down the line.
I don’t think it s really Eren that’s the one manipulating everyone, he’s just carrying out his role like everyone else.
A great doctor who quote that fits his situation to a T is “I watched it happen, I MADE IT HAPPEN!”
You are stretching too far... Eren didn't set everything by the power of the founding titan because it misses the point of his motivation. Why would he enslave himself just to set himself free?
So Eren did this for the greater good. So he’s not really a bad guy. More like setting time at its proper place.
this is the lesser good, he killed 80% of the world for the life inside the walls
Mass genocide 💀
I disagree with Sid somewhat, Eren could've changed some things about the past, changing some things to his liking, but there's an original timeline where he got the attack titan without altering things at all. So, Grisha always would've had Eren, and would've always have found a way to give him the attack titan, or they'd be a time paradox. Perhaps that original timeline is what made Eren change things to begin with.
my thoughts
Basically when I understood all the time travel thing. The manga ended for me. I ended my fun. For gods sake the Owl character was so epic and then he speaks about Armin (armony) and Mikasa (mi home in spanish.)...