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- I test out the Mazel sure strike wedge on Conwy Golf Club
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Guy next to me at the driving range had one of these. Got to chatting and he insisted I try it. Hit a few chips, then pitches, then some fuller shots. I must say; the thing is ugly but it was money. Super easy to hit, crisp, no duffs. Try it, you may want one
I used to use a chipper until last year; I was really struggling with a wedge off and around the green and the chipper saved me strokes. I didn’t feel embarrassed, nor did I feel like I was cheating. People might frown upon it, but it helped me immensely👍
Who cares it it works good on ya
I purchased the square strike wedge last year. I love it. I call it my 'magic wand'.
Keep thinning it through the greens. Cant figure out why i was hitting it great before and now cant even hit it lol
I play Cleveland CBX cavity back wedges. You can chip them with the face square for great results. They don't look like a chipper and are awesome for full swing shots.
Hi, I've bought one, 45 degrees and it works from the start, I would'nt use it for more than 50 Yards, but around the green without obstacles , great! Never mind what people are saying, to be consistant is the best argument! I've got 16 and I'm not ashamed to use this thing. I'm 66 years old and don't hahave to proof anything, just wann play and have fun!
I like the way you have an open mind for these types of clubs. I think they are great.
I've got all 4 original niblicks from Cleveland in the shed. (37,42,49,56). Regularly put the 42 and 56 in the bag together. Have even gamed the 37 too. So easy to hit. Almost foolproof. People I'm playing against in the society games used to scoff but don't any more. You can just attack pins with these. I've chipped in with my 42 and 56. I've put them to inches from 90 odd yards. They're as they say in 'merca, MONEY.
I think it shouldn’t replace one of ur 3 wedges. Rather, it is a stand alone chip club. 14 clubs is more than enough clubs to accommodate room for this type of club.
For sure, I’ve been looking at upgrading my irons, I have a driving 3 iron that has 18° loft, and most 4 irons these days are similar in loft, so I don’t need a 4 in the bag, and with D, 3W, 3I, 5-Lob, P that’s only 13 clubs, so I could bag a chipper and not have any real gaps
So, we have SGI irons with jacked up lofts, adjustable drivers with draw settings, super high moi putters with longer shafts if we like that sort of thing, GPS range finders and the list goes on. Someone pulls out a chipper and they're the antichrist! Maybe we should all go back to blades and persimmon woods and play this game how it was intended.
agreed
and balata
Let's not forget Hybrids... the club for those who can't master the 2, 3, 4 and 5 iron lol.
Hmmm... so when someone pulls out a hybrid instead of an iron... shouldn't that be considered a "Cheat Stick??"
;)
@@stevesullivan9752 yeah a complete hybrid iron set is kimda wack ngl.. miss out on alot of ball feel but having a hybrid lets say 3iron as a rescue club for height and distance. I dont mind ppl having 1 rescue in the bag can help in certain situations.. but yeah a complete hybrid iron set could be hindering your game by playing more forgiving vs blade like clubs or pure blades wich require consistency and you can get much more creative and play w the loft much more. If you switch to tour preferred irons after getting good w blades you will be puring everything
I play the 2011 (legal grooves) Cleveland Niblick 42* and 56* wedges. They're USGA/R&A legal and cover my complete short game. And make no apologies. True story: Not too long ago, my wife and I were paired with another husband/wife twosome at our local club. By the turn, I had chipped in once with the Niblick 42* and had tap-ins on two other holes. At that point, his wife said, "I wanted to get one of those; I have so much trouble around the greens" (and she did that day as well). At which point the husband said, "But I wanted to make sure she learned how to play REAL golf." I responded, "You mean, instead of scoring better and enjoying the round." He didn't talk to me the rest of the day. Meanwhile, MY wife was her usual deadly self from off the green with her Odyssey Tank chipper. It's a pastime, folks. There's no pictures on the scorecard and you score no points in golf because you make it more difficult.
I would've responded with something to the effect of "I just want to get paid REAL money when winning bets." Great comment
I carry the Cleveland Niblick 42* as well, and have done so for several years. I have had great success with it, but I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to add one to their bag. I purchased one for my brother after he had lost all confidence in his wedge game, and I think he brought it to the course twice before returning to his old unreliable but familiar wedge. I don't know why, but people resist playing with this type of club.
@@cautiousoptimist1926 Golfers can be a vain bunch.
I got the Niblick when it first came out. The very first shot I hit with it during a round, was a chip in from about 20 yds. I enjoyed that club, even though they didn’t ALL go in after that, but it sure helped my scores.
Would you advise a 9 handicap golfer who’s good at using wedges to get one for those bump & runs or will it be a waste of money do you think?
If it helps and makes golf more enjoyable, put it in the Bag, simple!
For most of those shots around the Green I would use my hybrid, which I suppose does roughly the same thing but I can of course use for longer full shots.
So I just imagined you taking a full swing with your hybrid around the green and it made me chuckle... very similar to my thinned lob wedge shots...
@@jonq8714 LOL
I tried these style of clubs years ago Andy, the Cleveland Niblick was the famous one. But for me they were a one trick pony, after trying many wedges I found the Ping Glide 2 ES Grind 56. The club can be used for so many shots closing the face or opening it. Its so versatile. For bump and runs I use Cobra F9 one length rescue phenomenal club! Great video Andy.
Just watched this. Nice. I’m a single figured handicap golfer approaching 50. I’ve recently taken out my most lofted club, 60 degrees, to make way for a chip and run club. Basically a putter with a 7 iron face. Hasn’t improved my handicap, however, it is much more consistent for me, plus I’d rarely use the lob wedge. I love my 54 so this one stays in the bag. 👍😎🇦🇺
Is the mazel chipper the same as the square strike
I struggled with wedges for a little while. Now that I’ve put in the time to practice with them, I can hit a few different shots around the green. I’m a weekend golfer like most, and I’d say just put in the time with your wedges and you’ll figure it out. I can hit full/ 3/4 swing shots, mid flighted shots with some roll out, and decently high shots that 1 hop stop.
Finding the right bounce helped a lot too. I ended up going with lower bounce clubs because the fairways are firm here in Texas.
Hope to get the Mazel 55-deg chipper for Father’s Day.
I need to eliminate fat chips around the green.
I’ll be interested in seeing how it performs from the sand too.
I ordered a 45-degree Mazel from Amazon to use, along with a putter, at a local Pitch & Putt.
I'm not proud I got one (in black), looking forward to improving my scores.
This club is a magic wand I replaced my 64 degree wedge with the black 45 degree squire strike instead of trying to hit great flop shots I just hit normal little chip shots this club is money and it's designed for 40 yards and in
I'm not sure why people scoff at these clubs. The niblick style chippers are one of the oldest and most traditional clubs used since the game was created. Personally, I don't think they are meant to be used from 80y out, they are too upright. You are better off with a Cleveland Smart Sole S which is more like a traditional wedge but with a massive bounce sole and is meant to be played square. I carry two CBX2 wedges in the bag along with a Cleveland C wedge with the smart sole. The C wedges are amazing around the greens and being upright you can put a putting stroke on it. I agree, if you are going to pick one and eliminate all your other wedges, you may want to go with a mazel 55 but I'm not sure how good it would be from a bunker.
The funniest guys on the course are the average golfers with Vokey 60*, 4* bounce wedges that think they have the Phil Mickelson talent of hitting all the fancy shots. Those guys are usually costing themselves 5-6 shots a round.
I play with normal wedges. I have them bent upright 3*. Lie angle is 67*
I find it interesting that people are resistant to adding this type of club to their bags, but they won't hesitate to buy the most ridiculous oversized putters.
I got the 60 absolutely love it. Its helped me no end
I bought a square strike and put a midsize grip on it.It will send your shots on line 90% of the time.
I use a Knight stroke saver chipper. Has the same grip as my putter. I love it!!
Technically having a putter grip on a chipper makes it an "illegal club" in tournaments. With that said, I'm about to do the same to my already illegal 2-way chipper
Im new to golf only played 5 rounds and my score has went from 115 to 96 since I started using this the Square Strike 45* it’s is amazing at getting the ball up in sand and using around the green. Im ordering the 60* it does look different but it’s about scoring lower not a beauty contest!
I had a range session today and it was testing out lots of lob wedges and lots of chippers. Will I put either of these in the bag? Maybe not, but now I know my preference!
(At least some bounce on the wedges [I have a 68 deg with 5 deg of bounce that looks like 0] and higher elevation with a more standard lie angle [not a putter].)
If forced to I would not have a problem using this club, the 55° in particular. That being said, I would just use a wedge with more bounce like the Cleveland smart sole.
What kind of problem would you have?
@@candler98 certain clubs have a bit of a stigma about them, that if you use them, you're not good.
I have this Square strike wedge in a 45 degree . Mines black and I like it a lot. You have a point!!! In my opinion its silly to ignore it if it works well for you. Good review.
Cleveland Smart Sole 4C looks like it is meant for a similar job
I carry a £10 Slazenger V300 chipper in my bag for when I'm having a bad day with the wedges. I get stick off my playing partners but it's perfectly legal and nobody moans about using a hybrid. I'd definitely give it a go if saw one going cheap. Thanks for the vid, very informative 👍
That's what I've been using helps loads but I ordered a square strike yesterday hopefully it comes before my round on Saturday and see how good it is
Did have a chipper which I didn't like much. Just stuck some lead weights (free from tyre place) on the bottom and feels much better. Unfortunately the added weight hasn't dried the course out enough to make it playable yet!
I would love to see somebody who struggles with their wedges use one of these things. That could be quite telling.
That club appeared to suit you Andy....almost all your shots from 80 yards in went pretty close. Good review.
Thanks for the review Andy. I have wondered whether these chippers would be a useful tool. A lot of sand scrape course in Oz use them. Aerial shots to the sand green pogo off like a superball.
Not sure if this would help!
That backdrop 👌🏻
Chippers have reduced me down to 1 putts. Which also increases my overall confidence around the greens. Found out my 2 way chipper is non-conforming (illegal) just got my 45 degree mazel/square strike. Can’t wait to piss off my friends 😆
Awesome stuff! Even the long shots were impressive ....🤔🤔⌚🤔.......had-on a minute 😱 😜👏
Three things here. 1. What a beautiful course! 2. This guy is a great communicator. 3. I’ve just got an beat 45 degree chipper like this for 30 quid.
Hope it goes well!
our video is very interesting ... but as a beginner I would like to know if with this 45 degree chipper I replace the pitching wedge of my bag to play pitch and putt
Beautiful scenery. Great motivation to get out of my Sunday bed
Didn’t see it out of a bunker, did I miss it? Also would be nice to see it out of a muddy scrappy lie, but the course looks immaculate so you wouldn’t find a lie like that!
I have the 45, 55 & 60. Zero pride issues when using these. From 110 in these are $$$
Tried a 55* Mazel and it was not for me. The chipping wasn’t better than my 6,7,8,9 or PW. I also had a difficult time hitting 1/2 and 3/4 swing shots, most went right. Still looking for that “magic club” for shots from 50 yards in to just off the green where I can chip or preferably putt.
Loved the video, thank you! Would have liked to have seen you hit a couple out of the bunker as well. Trying to decide between a 55 and a 60 and I definitely need help in the sand!
If you judge it by results it looks to be worth a go - the 3 chips from below the green were great. The price point is good - people will buy just to try it out. It would be interesting to put it head to head with my own wedge - any chance of a loan? 👍
I play a square strike and quite like it.
i use a Bronty chip circa 1970's..£8.00....Hcp 9...works a treat...it's what works for you on the course..:)
Been away from the game for 4 years then started playing alot more this year.
Struggled around the green .
I worked on it practice with 56 and 60 degrees wedges those feeling came back and Chipped in lots of par and berdies . Got myself around the hole 3-5
feet . PRACTICE GO BACK TO BASIC
NO MAGIC CLUB NEEDED.
I play golf with an odd looking thing. His name is Nige......
My first irons were cavity back but the cavity was filled in with a honey comb matrix. The back of the club looked like a beehive. There was no makers name. It's like the soleplate of a driver, everyone shows it off but you don't see it when you address the ball, same as the back of irons.
Unless you have suffered from chipping yips and that club works.. why does it matter...
That could suit my friend who puts off the green which is frustrating to watch when your chipping into the green and he putts it off the green and puts the ball closer to the cup 😡
May be a good help
If he's getting it closer maybe he's not the one who needs the help😜
It’s a very interesting club if I started playing again I would use one
Why not eh
Most average golfers have trouble with a 3 wood, so replace the 3 and 5 wood with a 4 and it frees up a spot in the bag. And if you think about it...we should feel more ashamed of using those big new drivers crammed full of the latest technology than a little ole chipper ehh???
love the fact that this would help people who struggle but also it reminds me that the Long putter has been banned which helped a lot of average golfers enjoy the game with an aspect of it they could not get over due to putting woes
Yeah why struggle
Most rec golfers didn’t use the long putter … Now that 3-ball putter - wow what a game changer!! 😳🥹
You do not need a wider sole, just more bounce.
Would like to see you chipping over a bunker onto the green with this club as this shot causes the most problems for me, liked the review.
I love trying these clubs
I ignore my pride for a lower score
Because it is a club that will only be good for one thing. It will not have any flexibility to do multiple things if needed, given the different conditions we face
That’s why you have 13 other clubs in the bag 🤔🤔😳
How does this compare to the Taylormade Bigfoot wedge?
what loft is recommended?
I would pay $20 for that club but I think I would pay a bit more and get a decent wedge.
Hello. Were you using the 45 or 55 degree?
i'll give it a try as not worried about looks or what people think, as long as it works for me i'm fine
It was impressive
I used to bag a Williams chipper and was challenged once in a club comp. Decision was found in my favour but god did the members grumble!! I've still got it I think?
It works out of a bunker too.
Is consensus that the 55 degree is the best loft option?
Did you end up buying one? I'm undecided between 45 and 55..
@@adeol7 bought the 55 mazel. I would say I really like it, worth the money. I have been using it as the only club around the green all summer, about 50 yards and in. It has basically one main thing about it - it's super heavy. Be aware IMO the 55 is way different than a 45, in that you're getting much less run after your chip. I like that as I don't fly my ball across the green as frequently. I'm hoping this club serves as kind of a training club for returning to regular wedges some day.
Do you use a chipper? I’m guessing no.
Hi great review , can you just confirm to me that the test you did was with the 55° degrees one ? I think so but not 100% sure 🙂… and by the way you have an other subscriber to your channel 👍🏻🏌🏻
This club is almost the same as a Lynx parallax.
was he using the 55 ... nice review
Having had the chipping yips for over three years you've got me thinking. But as I only play vintage clubs I'd have to limit my choice to the Bronty Chipmaster.
Hmmm, do I go for the Mk I or the Mk II?
I would be open to use those clubs but I have never seen them in a proshopnor a golf store. Not too wise to buy clubs without testing
Yeah that makes sense
What is this course?
Might try one
currently rocking a few Cleveland VAS irons
Sw, PW
Happy?
@@TheAverageGolfer
very
I suffer from a shank or 2 but these clubs are helping
Just need to regrip them
I bought a set of these 3-pw, going to game this upcoming golf season. I'm quite excited.
@@roejye06
I also have the full set but only use sw pw and 9 iron
for me they go about 1 club length less than my Mizuno
I'm torn between the 45 and 55 degree - which do you recommend?
Which one did you end up going for Russ? I'm in the same boat..
@@adeol7 actually never got one.
I’m comfortable with my wedges because I practice most days chipping. However I would consider getting one of these for links golf or for those little bump & runs instead of my 9 iron. I’m a 9 handicap golfer so I’ll get the piss taken out of me for sure but so what.
What loft was your club mate!?
55 degrees.
The only odd ball club I own is the Callaway Sure Out s/w. It actually works well around the green but haven't had a chance to work with it much out of sand as our bunkers have been so wet with all the rain we have been getting. So jury is still out on whether I will actually ever put it in play. Will never buy the club Andy is using here. Not buying one of those stand up putters either that you can leave standing up so you can look behind the ball. Ha.
Callaway sure out uses same principles
@@TheAverageGolfer The Sure out looks closer to a regular club tho. But most people won't buy one for the same reason I won't buy a chipper or the thing you illustrated here. The looks of it.
i think people struggle coz they have too much bounce take the 46 sm6 it came in a 6 8 and 10 bounce,,the sm8 46 only comes in a 10 bounce..which is alot for us in the UK ..summer fairways are like concrete..so you will have to have your hands miles infront like phil mickelson..last time i checked..he was the only human that can play in that way my pw has a 6 bounce mp5.. a 46 with a 10 bounce is crazy..unless you play in america with super soft turf
I have tried a chipper a few times over the years.
I would go back to it if they made one that put NO SPIN on the ball.
I ran into times when it would check and then not check.
I did not try full or 3/4 swings
Enjoyed the vlog,, I'd use 1
Got one, no bloody good off bare lies and soft sand under sparse grass!
I'll stick with my 8 / 9 iron.
Isn’t it illegal?
Sam Goddard it that I am aware of? Why would it be?
The Average Golfer just thinking with regards to the R&A and governing bodies for club dynamics/possible features that might give an unfair advantage. Just a thought that’s all, I’m just genuinely intrigued. Keep up the vids, loving them! 👍🏼
Sam Goddard the single faced chipper is legal, double faced is illegal from what ive seen. Older chippers like wedges will be illegal because of the grooves.
Darren Payce oh that’s awesome then! Luckily it’s a stronger part of my game (my weakness is irons into the green so I have to be half decent!) but it’s nice to know there’s help out there for those who struggle. Still only about 5% of the clubs work in my opinion it depends more on the players ability but 5% is 5%!
Sorry not for me andy
simon George it for everyone
Sorry not for everyone
Thanks for that useless input.......
@@any1younger thanks for your useless comment
ff.
It's non conforming, just as the chipper was long ago..
Do you want to check that Steve?
Olny chippers that are non confirming are the ones which have putter grip or have a double face.
I think I’m going to continue ignoring it I’m not buying my clubs from infomercials
Looking a little bit different is one thing, but that green on it, but yours is black, looks like plastic, and it looks like a childs toy. I am not going anywhere hear it. Its just damn ugly. You need one of those when you cannot use a regular wedge., which I have no issues with. NO pro shop would ever carry that thing. I would bet that too many are using a wedge with waaaaay too little bounce. My wedges and pyu putter are the best club sin by mag, and everyone hates it when I am just off the green. But my wedges have way more bounce than most peoples. My 60 as a 14, my 56 is a 12 and my 50 is a 12. You guys using a 60 degree wedge with 8 degrees of bounce are not using enough. I see these for sale all the time, and what do people do???? Someone advertises a wedge, and someone else buys it and never asks what bounce it is. I bet that ugly club has plenty of bounce built in and nobody knows because they have never been a club builder like me, and they just never think about it, but it is as important as the loft, and nobody knows what they have in their bag. I will ask these guys just to see what they know, when the have a wedge for sale, I will ask what the bounce is, and they tell me the grind, which is not the bounce, so they have no idea, and I would bet 75% of you have no idea either. There is no data on the exact bounce angle other than people saying it has a lot of bounce. There is no number to put to it, so maybe someone that can measure bounce can measure one and see.
David Duval one gave a short game tip show on The Golf Channel, and he carries 2 wedges, a 58 and a 52. His 58 had a whopping 17 degrees of bounce and his 52 had 18. And I thought my 60/14 was way more than others. And today, finding a 60/14 is next to impossible. The wedge makers are going in the wrong direction with this and now we have these clubs that look like children's toys. So if you think you need to play what the pros use, don't forget about this pro, David Duval, and how much bounce he uses.
I've 15* of bounce on my Callaway 54* SW best wedge I've ever owned. Agree people dont understand and how to use the bounce correctly.
David Duval is really tearing it up these days