The cradles of desire as I see them don't act exactly like a monkey's paw. The issue is that the cradles don't understand humans and try to grant all your wishes at the same time. This means that if you don't have a very precise wish it will go wrong. Irumuui wished for children and to protect her adoptive mother. So her wish was twisted so that it would grant both. This is why it's dangerous for adults with complicated desires to touch the eggs. The other issue is that I think the eggs have to manipulate your body to grant the wish, which is less than ideal.
I think apart from adults having complicated desires there's also straight up several contradictory ones, so the cradle just short circuits and turns u into wood.
noticed this too! irumyuui's strongest desires in her delirious state were probably: ( to be cured + to help the others who were sick + to become capable of bearing children + to be with her pet that recently died) = transforming her body so she was immune to the mock water, capable of birthing something that resembled her lost pet, and that acted as medicine to the mock water when consumed.
I think there's more to it. Irumuui is a child, and despite all that's happened to her, through her seemingly innocent comments we see that she doesn't understand HOW children come into the world. She doesn't understand/know about natural human procreation, it's probable that she doesn't even know how exactly newborns look. Thus, because she doesn't know what's supposed to happen, her children were given to her the way they were. So it doesn't matter if it's an adult or a child, the wish will be twisted anyway whether due to twisted minds of adults or oblivious naivety of the children.
@@angelinagavdis3450 I'm pretty sure that she does know how children are born, they had to know that she couldnt bear children, if they didnt the people on her village wouldnt have sent her to the sacrifice hole, so they probably....i really dont want to say this, tried to make children with her and failed and she knew that her mother was with a lot of men from what she said about how Vueko smelled. We gotta remember that her tribe seemed to be pretty liberal from her comments about her mother, so they probably did the girls the moment that they had the age to give birth
My personal theory is that Wazukyan's visions weren't generated by himself, but by the Abyss. The reason he (seemed to) stopped getting visions after Iruburu is that he already fulfilled what the Abyss needed to create Faputa. His dying words aren't so much a direct warning because he saw the future, but frustration that he won't be able to see what the future holds. The Abyss is already shown to manipulate people outside the island with the compass. And there is one other white whistle mentioned that can circumvent the elevator to the 6th Layer. Wakuna, and his title? Wakuna, the Chosen. The abyss is trying to get something. Faputa is an accumulation of value, but that doesn't mean it stops at Faputa. We don't know why the abyss is trying to accumulate value but it seems to be what operates many of the relics. (See white whistles).
my theory is that Wazukan saw multiple future paths and chose what was possibly the best decisions Wazukan was waiting for an opportunity. but until that opportunity came, He had to prolong his life and his people that opportunity was The Princess vs. The Prince, whoever won would change the outcome for Wazukan wazukan was choosing all the best options until it a "fork in the path came" where the outcome would be based on who wins during the "Prince vs. Princess" fight. Wazukan was hoping Reg wins, He was clearly shocked when Faputa won thats when "Wazukan was Beat" so He changed his plan from wanting to continue venturing into the abyss to Helping team Riko by saying "Take care of that child".
@@animeking3603 I would surmise that it is because the kind of person who gets super into Made in Abyss tends to be unusually emotionally invested in the series because of how taxing it can be, so there's this tendency to think *a lot* about what's going on. I tend to be less interested in "theory-crafting" than I do in teasing out the themes, but I entirely understand the inclination. As soon as I finished the second season I had the overwhelming desire to write a "why are you doing this"-length essay on the series and how it made me feel and what it says about, say, the fragility of the body, what one prioritises in one's life, the nature of awe and beauty, all that stuff. I'll probably get to it one day.
This is one of my favorite aspects of Made in Abyss, just the endless amount of theories and conversation that can be made regarding lore and themes. Love it.
considering MIA creator said that the souls series influenced and inspired MIA greatly, it really isnt a surprise that MIA is filled with purposefully vague plots and lore!!
I love your focus on Wazukyan in this review. He's definitely filled with a lot of meaning to unwrap, ofc being that he is way too vague in his words half of the time. The themes of this show hit so close to home for me and my personal experiences and I love that you've highlighted the Abyss's capacity to exist both as the wonder and the terror. And I agree that Faputa is the embodiment of all of this. Departing from the themes however I do want to give my take on the Cradle of Desire and how I don't see it in the same way that it granted Irumyuii's wish, or at least not as our traditional idea of wishes, as you had stated in the review. So when one thinks of a wish they think of requests to malevolent beings often stated in one sentence. Given how much was granted to Irumyuii: her pet being returned, having children, not feeling pain, being cured of the mock water disease, having a village that does not cast her out, protecting Vueko, I don't think the egg asked her to make a request. Instead I think the egg read her "soul signals" (as explained in episode 4 on the explanation of the balancing) and used her body as exchange for all her subconscious desires and not just asking for a request. This is also why I think her wish was corrupted because we don't really compartmentalize our desires and they all exist as one big want, so the eggs mix them all up like some f'ed up desire soup (pun intended). Also I do like your perspective that the characters are an observer to this conflict similar to the interference units. I've never thought of that before. The one thing I'd like to add about the characters being side lined is mostly in regards to who had plot focus in the entire series so far. I'd say the first half of season 1 until ep 10 was definitely Riko's arc, the latter half until the movie was Nanachi's, and this entire season was Reg's time to shine (Faputa too cuz it's implied that she'll probably join soon). For the whole story he only provided emotional reactions and be the instant win button, but he didn't really add much in terms of being the emotional and plot relevant core to most arcs so far, so I think this sidelining was necessary just to hit that focus between the Faputa and Reg relationship. But I think in a narrative perspective because Reg's character is so tied to a history, that neither of the other main cast is a part of, that probably we will be side lining some characters if we finally get to his part of the story and his full history as shown here.
The show explicitly states that adults aren't fit for using them. I don't remember them explaining exactly HOW it grants wishes or if and which cost it has. But they did explain clearly that adult "can't" use it, due to their conflicting desires. The only one fit to use them are innocent souls with a clearn and distinct desire/wish. Naturally, younger children are much more suitable for this, but obviously, not always "suitable enough". I don't remember them ever stating what happens, if your desires aren't as "clear" as it needs to be, or the ramifications are of having multiples (but still very clear) desires. Neither did it mention anything about the effects of using multiple Cradles at the same time. On that note, it also seems that either the effect of the Cradle needs time to develope, or that wishes made can change the effects. At the beginning, the Craddle of Desire definitely granted Irumyuui's wish of giving birth to a child. But not of them were able to survive. This could either be because the Craddle simply didn't manage to create a new living and lasting being at first, or that Irumyuuii's wish initially was only limited to giving birth, but not sustaining such and raise one. Personally, I think the latter is the case, as there have been various changes to herself and what her existence causes. Best example is Faputa's existence and everything she represents. She is the "ultimate" child, a fully living sentient and autonomous being, (borderline) immortal (most likely a very strong wish stemming from all the failed birth' at the beginning), as well as her desire for revenge and destruction of her mother. These are all things Irumyuuii didn't wish for at the very beginning. On a different note: There is a one more duality not mentioned in this video: Irumyuui's desires/wishes regarding the village and Vueko as a person. Faputa inheritet all the negative emotions towards the village and it's inhabitants. But at the same time, she also loved them and wanted to protect them. This is made evident by Faputa's change of view towards the villagers at the last moment's of the carnage. Faputa inherited only the negative emotions towards the village, but not the positive ones. Meanwhile, Vueko was the only person she always held the most precious and that never changed. She protected her and her humanity for the entire time and was the second thing she did not share with Faputa.
The thing is, the interference units aren't passive observers themselves, they as their name implies interfere, and learn and help, at least in all the village and Faputa they interfered as much as Gabuuron or the ganja interference units, so maybe it's fair to say that they were kind of interference units (Reg being literally one) by interfering in other people's story.
I ofen enjoy speculating and theorizing on various media I consume, but with Made in Abyss, all I can manage to do is witness it. The horror and beauty of their world is mesmerizing. The characters have a human depth that makes me want to cheer for their victories and sob for their agony. The simple idea of how a story so cruel, so inhumn, could be the embodiment of human nature is so alluring. I could think up theories on the lore and the possibilities of the abyss, but in the end I can only ever watch. I guess there's something about wanting to take the journey only looking forward, too preoccupied to focus on anything but the current adventure. Between its baphometic duality at the center of its story and the outermost visuals, it is beautifully mesmerizing.
Correction. The Ganja were stuck they were unable to proceed nor backtrack thats why they made a village instead, But Wazukan was waiting for an opportunity. but until that opportunity came, He had to prolong his life and his people that opportunity was The Princess vs. The Prince, whoever won would change the outcome for Wazukan
This is what my conclusion is as well. Wazukyan definitely wanted to proceed. He wants Riko to take the Cradle because he knows that what Riko wants the most is ADVENTURE. Her wish, however twisted, have the highest tendency to somehow get the village/Wazukyan to return back to adventuring.
@@ikanmasin1328 Hey! wanna watch a made in abyss fan animation that heals the soul? Its faputa trying to give Reg a bento box title: *"ファプタの卵とじ"* here's the link: th-cam.com/video/kh8TSH95nLU/w-d-xo.html
I interpreted it as even more twisted than that: Wazukyan was stuck, and initially saw Riko as his "chance," but he realised that her companions could see through him and decided on Faputa's incursion into the city that he was screwed and he decided to manipulate the outcome by letting in the beasts and fleeing to the depths of the city. At that point he could see that all of his plans had failed and he wasn't even strong enough to trap Vueko with him, but he had to keep insisting to himself that he held all of the cards. Big "I'm not owned" energy, honestly. That said, some degree of this is not incompatible with either your or his perspective on this.
@@ConvincingPeople ever wondered why Wazukan hoped Reg won? My theory is that Wazukan was able to see multiple branches in the future and chose the best among them until it led to a fork in the road. A.k.a Reg vs. Faputa The moment wazukan lost the bet, He immediately accepted defeat saying "I'm beat" and instead helped team Riko by saying "please, take care of that child" talking about Faputa, being invited to the team. Because He probs saw a future where the team neads Faputa.
@@SymmbolZS Nah, What I see is that Wazukyan receives prophesies, so visions and glimses of the future not a clear path forward and believes these visions are for him so he follows them and between the events shown by the visions he just uses his basedness to get through it. However, the Visions might not have been for him, maybe for Faputa so that his final decisions that he thought was helping him wasn't and when he lost he got mad and gave that whole "find the abyss and dispair" speech to Rico. It is also why he asked Rico to take care of Faputa, cuz that's now his cope, to promote the being the visions were for.
"the mysteriousness allows it to make itself alluring and evoke curiosity... what makes it even more enticing is that the outer layers are wondrous and manageable enough to make it tempting to go further down. however, the further you go down, the more hostile and unforgiving the environment and creatures become there that make it much harder to survive... and this brings us to the sixth layer, where the magical facade is dropped, because the abyss no longer has to do any more work to lure you down there. you're trapped. you already came down of your own volition." oo... this made me want to watch the show
This really makes me think of madoka magica and the "by asking for a blessing, you'll create an equal curse to equilibrate" i know it's not exactly the same thing but idk
Riko has no plan to have a long life, all she want is to go down as deep as she can, if possible with her friends, to the deepest part, hell even Riko is already die in the abyss, I can see how it's gonna end but I still want to see their journey
I figure rico will be turned into a robot like reg in the end. Perhaps rico is the girl robot that they talked about at some point in the story and she travelled back in time. I figure a singularity is at the lowest part in the abyss.
I've seen other people say that Riko has surprisingly skewed priorities, highlighted even moreso when she says she thinks Iruburu is a great place, and how she might make even more messed-up judgements in the future, which fascinated me. I think her journey both externally and internally is far from over.
Wonderfully said. I love this analysis!! Wazukyan most likely had good intentions but I always thought he had a deeper selfish goal of descending the abyss and becoming beyond human. With his actions and manipulation he accumulated hell. He never really seemed to care for his teammates and their mental well-being. And most importantly, he was only self sacrificing until the end.
@@idk-ye7ur I feel like Bondrewd wins out simply because "what if a gaslighting abusive father but also the high fantasy version of Joseph Mengele" is an almost comically horrifying premise and, what's more, his voice actor's performance in the anime is incredible; Wazukyan, by contrast, is a lot more craven and even pathetic, the ways in which he is a truly terrible person both easier to relate to and harder to separate from the extremity of the circumstances he found himself. To put it another way: Wazukyan is what happens when a deeply flawed person gives into the temptation to do great harm and never looks back; but Bondrewd is what happens when a truly monstrous person with an already deeply twisted sense of what is "right" spends their whole life justifying the increasing harm that they do every step of the way.
Wazukyan wasn't only self-sacrificing. He sacrificed others along with himself and manipulated them into doing what he wanted, even tricking them into believing it was their choice. He sacrificed what wasn't his to sacrifice. He could see every single thing that happened long before it ever did and steered everyone into those tragedies so that Faputa would be born of Irumyuui's resentment and then continue their journey after fulfilling her vengeance. She's the being beyond human created from the accumulation of deeds that he wanted, and she descends the Abyss further in his place. He's the arc villain and he got exactly what he wanted.
Glad you covered this season If anything you made me see Wazukyan's actions better. I still felt it was difficult to pin him down, yet ultimately he was desperate- showcased through every action hidden in plain sight. Like a dark and twisted roadrunner skit.
Same. Even at the end of the show I still didn't get what Wazukyan's deal really was or what he wanted, so this detailed breakdown was really appreciated
What you said around 1:28 really got me because it just made me think of the flashback where Prushka and Meinya first met and it's all cute... But then Meinya literally shits itself for no reason and nobody acknowledges it
One comment I read a while back, someone said something about how an animal will only shit where it's comfortable and feels no danger, so Meinya's defecation meant that it was instantly at a feeling of safety with Prushka.
I was very confused and had many contrasting thoughts on everything that happened in season 2 but the way you explained it and made everything crystal clear made me appreciate this season 200x more despite already being one of my favorite seasons ever, if not of all time
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Nah, s2 had some issues that were too aggravating to ignore. S2 wants to tell an arc too hard, bcs there was really no reason for them to stay so long on the village, they just forget that their goal is to go deeper and find the Mom, they don't even ask if they met her or know where she is.
@@oscar95237 they weren't even there very long. they stayed with bondrewd and ozen each for longer. you're mistaking episodes for being the same amount of time. they went in for prushka and got caught up in the events.. only nanachi forgot her goals for a little while because they weren't exactly her goals yet.
@@gianf.11 ? no, it was just a frustrating season to see: 1st they reopen Nanachi closed arc with Mitty for no reason and contributes nothing more to worse offense. 2nd they just toss aside all main characters or just make them mindless spectators that just forgot what they came to do. 3rd they present this weird ass town that is filled with immoral ppl and when you know the backstory it's even worse, but then they try to cheaply try to make us care about their destruction, also they can't flesh out the morals of the villagers, they try to present them as "bad" to just then try to present them as "good" it's just bad consistency for the need to keep the watcher in seat and try to get emotional answers. The season would have been not as frustrating if it was a series on its own, but this was Made in Abyss, they try to force a connection of the villagers with Riko (they are all explorers of the abyss) but they almost show nothing about that correlation and it absolutely does not reflect on the themes, so it ends up feeling like disconnected from the main series. They could have pulled out much better this arc, if the main characters actually did not forget their goals so easily, at least try to uncover info about going deeper, prep for the descent or even just ask if they know anything about Riku's mom.
I think Faputa's development is the deepest and most striking. Faputa has a deeply engrained Luciferian desire for revenge especially so since she states that this desire is all she knows and all she NEEDS to know. The certainty that all you know is all you need to know is the exact path out of heaven, so to speak. The show also does its best to justify her position and ideological bent toward revenge. We can actually empathize with her and her desires given the "generational" trauma she's inherited. Then we're taught what the redeeming qualities are for one such as her, one so far gone. Truth, Love, and Beauty are the redeeming qualities. She loves her mother (her God in a way) so much that when struck by the idea that there are in fact things about her that she doesn't know, she's forced to surrender herself to the idea that there is more she probably doesn't know and is perhaps herself the fool. This is a profoundly astonishing realization. This opens her eyes to the beauty that lies beyond the boundaries of her knowledge, what makes her willing to focus on more than just her abysmal existence. This is what opens her hears and heart to the divine call to adventure the unknown with faith and courage instead of insisting that the world she knows is all there is to know and remaining foolishly cynical and placing herself as the all-knowing judge and executioner of creation.
"Unavoidable" as you say at the end is the real trick. It's you falling for the trap. You already fell for it and now the curse of your position in the abyss makes it seem like you never had a choice to begin with. "Well I can't go back anymore." It's convenient and insidious. To hide behind the lack of autonomy, to mask the disaster under "inevitable". Because it genuinely never was. It was fully avoidable from the start. And that reality that there was a mistake made to lead you here is one most people ignore. It wasn't circumstance, it was conscious and ignorant or callous decision. It was an irresponsibility. All the rest is you coping with the scars of the crime committed. And if you don't learn from this, if you don't learn from the abuse that was done unto you, you are simply fated to become an abuser. For as long as you believe it's some kind of unavoidable inevitable balance of the way things are, you will become nothing but the next failure in line pushing their crimes onto the next generation.
This actually really helped me understand everything that happened, I was so shell shocked by the emotions of everything that I couldn’t answer why things were happening.
Most insightful, thought provoking and on point analysis of Made in Abyss I've watched so far! The way how you described Wazukyan or the 'nature' of the abyss itself felt absolutely right for me.
I've never been invested in Made In Abyss and pretty much only watch it with a close friend, but I think this was a great dive into S2. I was personally lost for the majority of the season and failed to see a lot of meaning in the actions that took place (+ how it related to the characters) and this really helped me better understand/appreciate it, so thanks! :)
nice!! would love to see more made in abyss videos from you, the writing gets very poetic and metaphorical at times and it's always nice to see a well thought out perspective
At the beginning you stated that Disney and GHIBLI have sanitazed depictions of the world in order tho shield kids from the brutality of it, but I have to HARDLY disagree regarding Ghibli. First of all, not only many Ghibli movies aren’t for kids to begin with, but even the ones that are meant “for kids” have serious topics in it, like in Totoro with the mother at the hospital with a serious illness. Or Kiki dealing with artistic block and depression. All Ghibli Movies have fantastical elements sprinkled on top of grounded reality and humanity. They feel REAL. Heck, look at Spirited away and how chihiro needs to save her parents from being transformed into pigs and eaten, while actually developing as a person trought the jorney into a more mature and rounded person. One of the main reasons why I love Made In Abyss so much, Is because it gives me that Ghibli Vibe. Fantastical, yet still real, but also incredibly beautiful.
And still GHIBLI's depictions are highly "sanitised" from the sheer brutality of all these aspects life. That doesn't mean to entirely avoid such topics altogether.
Thank you for this!! I was a bit confused by the lore of the second season especially around wazukan but this helped me to understand a little more and give me a deeper appreciation of this wonderful (maybe slightly problematic) show haha
The accumulation of deeds being brought back to you in the Abyss is very Buddhist. I guess this is what the author meant when he said the Abyss is based on that conception of Hell but that concept doesn't just apply in hell and maybe that's the point.
I literally just finished S2 yesterday and so much of what you said about Wazukyan made sense, and the tiny details that I missed or misinterpreted on my first watch recontextualized his entire character, thank you so much.
In addition to this video helpfully pointing out some parallels I hadn't seen before (eg. Iruburu IS a mini-abyss, holy dang), this was actually the first thing that helped me piece together what Wazukyan was doing once they were all inside Iruburu. Thank you!
I completely missed how of an ass Wazukyan was because I was too mesmerized with everything else going on while watching,lol. It's good to know your take on it as it expanded how I see the show a bit. Great video and well put together, have a nice day.
Very interesting analysis, loved hearing your thoughts on this! Especially some of the stuff on Wazukyan like his eyes being covered until his plan is laid out for us and his interaction with Riko at the restaurant, I haven't heard those before
Thank you for this great video. Whoever else I have seen commenting on this series, will meme the heck out of it for being a messed up world and barely try to explore its themes. Really great analyis.
Great video all around. Even just the first 6 or so minutes were the best rhetorical analysis I've heard on made in abyss. I've had very similar thoughts about it.
This and the comments really helped me understand what was happening. How cradles of desire seem to try to grant all wishes yet may get confused and attempt to execute them all, or that a person lies to themself creating contradiction, which leaves the person trying to manifest into contradictory things before the cradle gives up. I never really understood how Waku worked this season while also feeling apathetic to what was happening. Only going back am I learning what was happening. How there was unfathomable pain here yet I never tried to understand it.
So I recently had a theory in mind: if the abyss is sentient, then the feelings that make the raiders go down the abyss is its way to lure food in, OR when the raiders go down the abyss, they’re actually going upwards and the longing to the abyss is just an instinct that leads the raiders to escape what once consumed them without even realizing it since someone pointed out the abyss has structures that look like eyes and it slowly curves creating something resembling a mouth at the bottom layers
I think Faputa was born to live out the childhood that her mother never had moreso than revenge. The aspect of revenge imo was an instinct sewn into her to keep her from losing sight of freeing Irumyuui. If it was solely revenge, Faputa would've died upon accomplishing it via fulfilling herpurpose, but instead she was able to become an even stronger being to get the most out of life itself. A bonus detail is in how Faputa has always looked about her mother's age until the glow-up. To me, that just signifies her being able to move on. There's also the detail that Irumyuui was outcast for her infertility but Faputa designed so that her self-worth couldn't be based on reproduction because she has a cloaca instead of human reproductive organs. Irumyuui is the best parent in the series so far because of all of this; she is willing to give her daughter everything she could need to get the most out if life beyond what she herself was given. There are many parents who envy their own children for potentially having it better than they did and thus sabotage it, but not her.
Damn this video was way more thoughtful than I thought possible. I had read the manga before season 2 and didnt like this golden city arc and then didnt like it either in the anime but you giving me all of this new found perspective on wazukyans back handed tactics and scheming has given me new appreciation.
This just my theory but I think Wazukyan plan to turn Riko in to village was just him trying change his/their fate as he has already seen their future. But as things starting fall a part he fully accepted that nothing can be done and so all he can do is be part of the accumulation. So he did what he can to give Faputa all she needed to to start her journey. Making path for monsters, taking Vueko down so she has to go back up, giving his final request and more.
what nanachi speculate about wazukyan plan is just her speculation? she thinks probably what he wants but she also deduce that she will never going to make a situation where he need to take that action. in short, it is not like wazukyan sacrifice irumuuyi for his plans, no. it is because thay fall into the trap where they need to do that exact thing. wazukyan is an enigma, it is very difficult to understand that what he actually want to do and what is his decision because of the necessity to save his people (in short his helplessness). that's because we never see things from his perspective, we never learn about him like bondrwed or any other characters. it is false to say that he is selfish or he want any harm even.
The real question is : "Did Lyza has found the Unheard bell?" If yes, did she used it? I remember that the Unheard bell has the power of Time/space distorsion, also. Reg prob coming from the deepest part of the abyss, why he has the Lyza's pickaxe, and the Reg name tbh, did Lyza go into the past/future to see Riko? (Or mfk Lyza is Riko) (MindBlow)
Though wouldn't Lyza being Riko be a paradox? Since Lyza gave birth to Riko in the Abyss, and one can't give birth to themself? Granted, if that's true, the implications of the Abyss certainly would be even more interesting.
well, Jiruo states that Lyza indeed went back and recovered the Bell, as per her mission/contract - once she moved newborn Riko outside the Abyss. My guess is, she passed the relic to whoever requested her to recover it.
This was an 11/10 series for me. Just one questions though: Why on Earth did Vueko walk up those stairs? She said she didn't even know what she was looking for.
*An important distinction* Made in Abyss doesn't "merge cute and beautiful elements with grotesque and horror ones". The entire process of doing so is called GROTESQUE - mixing positive and negative designs, feelings and actions in a way that creates a comedic or unsettling atmosphere. The entire show is based around this medieval trend, the word itself refers to statues of demons placed above church entrances, thus mixing demonic and holy imagery. As a non native I constantly see english speakers use the word "grotesque" when describing body horror or disfigurement, but the real meaning of the word has to do with opposing values. Riko's mangled hand isn't grotesque, it's the idea of a cute little girl with a mangled hand that's grotesque. Made in Abyss in itself is exactly that, a show exploring grotesque themes, and it ends up just that, both beautiful and horrifying.
@@Lunam_D._Roger You dare use my own spells against me? I'm majoring in linguistics and let me tell you, it's not words that change meaning, it's the people who are morons that don't know how to use them. Proof? The word "jealousy" refers to a desire for something YOU DON'T have and someone else has, for example a car, money or a girlfriend, yet EVERYONE uses it when describing possessiveness over something YOU DO have. Someone can be jealous of your girfriend, but you can't - you already have her, you can't wish you had her again. Someone can be jealous of your car, but you can't, you are defensive or possessive, not jealous. People are just ignorant and assume meaning based on what they hear around them without checking for proper use. The same is true for a grotesque, the word is ancient yet it's meaning hasn't changed (at least much, since it still describes juxtaposition of elements, just now it's use has less to do with religion, and more with overall design and feel), and while some use it exclusively to describe body horror, I have also met it's proper use from time to time. I mostly chalk it down to ignorance. You can see defintions of the word, and they confirm what I said, just because it's common practice to use terms incorrectly doesn't mean it should be tolerated. Vox populi - vox idiota. Back to grotesque, I find it's practice really alluring since most of those who employ it understand what it is they're doing and it's effects are very pronounced. Both MIA and Black Bullet (author's previous work) use grotesque to great extent and both provide the same morbid ridiculousness of horrible things happening to cute and innocent characters. It's just worth pointing out that what MIA does is not new, but it shines light on an ancient practice that is still relevant to this day and can be used to great effect if used correctly. While basing your entire show on such a concept is risky at best, I find that Abyss has the advantage of grotesque being used incorrectly in most other anime, being relegated to a vehicle for unnecessary shock value to attract attention. Abyss, while definitely too keen on child nudity is without a doubt a great work of art and a shining example of perfectly implemented grotesque. P.S. there has never been a "disuse" of grotesque, as it is an artistic practice prevalent since it's introduction.
@@FaptaA I don't need to, smart people exist to explain such things to people like you, so if your kind needs guidance in the future, some other SmartyPants will surely carry the torch of knowledge and enlighten the troglodytes. However I doubt you would understand it with your reliance on emojis and pictures on shampoo bottles to guide your goofy ass through your blind stumble through life.
Eyo just discovered your channel from this vid, hoping you'd do more of these for the series I watch ngl haha. Interesting take on the story that I never considered or took nice. Keep it up man
Malice requires thought. The "problem" with the cradles is that humans are largely incapable of what the show refers to as "purity of desire", where you truly want *one* thing more than anything else. As much as Irryumi didn't want everyone to die of hunger/thirst, she wanted to be able to be a mother just as badly, and the cradle fulfilled her desires
6:29 there's a fantheory that was developed during the iruburu arc that's takes what you're saying a step further. The theory is that all relics in the abyss are made from human souls. Just like Orth's religion believes that their souls return to the abyss, they really do. And then their souls, that is to say their unfulfilled dreams and desires, are compressed into their purest form: a relic. It's already the case that white whistles are made from humans, just in a very specific way. We also know that egg-shaped relics just suddenly appear in the abyss, they're not all technologies from a long-lost civilization (though some are). So when you die in the abyss, it transforms your soul into a relic which appears somewhere. Then cave raiders bring it back up to the surface and sell it for money. Capitalism!
Great video! You picked up on so many things that I missed, only thing that I would like to have seen/heard, was the made in abyss soundtrack in the background, its very atmospheric and pairs well with pondering things, but I suppose this could have copyright issues. However that's just my own preference and the way you presented this video was brilliant regardless!
Just noticed the thumbnail change - 3rd one so far, gotta say it's better! Sad the vid didn't get much traction but I dunno if the algorithm is pushing MiA stuff down OR it's just lost in the storm of Edgerunners and CSM- I like both of those so far but none of it really hit me or made my head churn like MiA, hope it gets a second wind at some point soon
Reg doesn't remember his name when emerging from the pit, Riko names him Reg after her dog. (season 1) In season 2 a flashback to earlier in the timeline, He tells Faputa his name, Reg.... But that's before he climbs up from the pit to the surface. Does the manga explain this coincidence of having with having the name Reg, then meeting Riko and she names him Reg?
he mentions a mentor, who gave him a mission to find his 'haku'. so im assuming his mentor is Lyza, who asked him to bring Riko back down (?) Depends on where Riko got the Dog from. If her mother bought it for her, then mabye they both named him the same thing.
How do we define our value? What makes expercing life with all its blessings and curses worth it? Relationships are definitely an aspect Unraveling the mystery of our potential is another It is a question we have asjed for a long time and still don't have an answer.
This was quite an eye opener since am not really too perceptive and knowledgeable about this but thanks to you I really got a new perception of the new season 😊. But I know one thing for certain that "made in abyss" will probably be my no. 1 anime forever 😆 it has it all that makes me Soo intrigued and unsettled at the same time.
i had heard all the asterisks in recommendation of Made in Abyss from youtubers i enjoyed and whose words i trusted, but i had set aside watching it because maybe it was really bad and i shouldn't have ever listened to anitubers about a show like this, no matter how good the story was it just couldn't be worth sitting through how the child characters are treated in gratuitous and cruel ways i binged season 1, DotDS, then season 2, and in spite of the more uncomfortable elements it is now one of my favorite anime ever and possibly the one that most made me cry and a lot of said tears were from the Golden City arc, i am very sure of that
Same here. I was very much "Ehhhh, I will take your word for it." But eventually I caved and watched it with a friend. There is only one or two other anime that had brought me close to crying, and this one brought me the closest to crying 3 times, as I had watched the series a total of 3 times. For me most of the tears was the end of s1 with Mitty. It is such a gut wrenching scene to watch as the build-up and the execution of the scene was just so powerful. Not to mention the soundtrack, the soundtrack is just beautiful and makes me wanna cry even more.
I like Made in Abyss because it shows yes these people do wash and use the bathroom where all other anime’s I’ve seen so far don’t even acknowledge it or in a line but not really shown, it adds a sense of realism
The cradles of desire as I see them don't act exactly like a monkey's paw. The issue is that the cradles don't understand humans and try to grant all your wishes at the same time. This means that if you don't have a very precise wish it will go wrong. Irumuui wished for children and to protect her adoptive mother. So her wish was twisted so that it would grant both. This is why it's dangerous for adults with complicated desires to touch the eggs. The other issue is that I think the eggs have to manipulate your body to grant the wish, which is less than ideal.
I think apart from adults having complicated desires there's also straight up several contradictory ones, so the cradle just short circuits and turns u into wood.
You made me fully understand the eggs, thanks.
noticed this too! irumyuui's strongest desires in her delirious state were probably:
( to be cured
+ to help the others who were sick
+ to become capable of bearing children
+ to be with her pet that recently died)
= transforming her body so she was immune to the mock water, capable of birthing something that resembled her lost pet, and that acted as medicine to the mock water when consumed.
I think there's more to it. Irumuui is a child, and despite all that's happened to her, through her seemingly innocent comments we see that she doesn't understand HOW children come into the world. She doesn't understand/know about natural human procreation, it's probable that she doesn't even know how exactly newborns look. Thus, because she doesn't know what's supposed to happen, her children were given to her the way they were. So it doesn't matter if it's an adult or a child, the wish will be twisted anyway whether due to twisted minds of adults or oblivious naivety of the children.
@@angelinagavdis3450 I'm pretty sure that she does know how children are born, they had to know that she couldnt bear children, if they didnt the people on her village wouldnt have sent her to the sacrifice hole, so they probably....i really dont want to say this, tried to make children with her and failed and she knew that her mother was with a lot of men from what she said about how Vueko smelled. We gotta remember that her tribe seemed to be pretty liberal from her comments about her mother, so they probably did the girls the moment that they had the age to give birth
I believe Bondrewd's final line to Nanachi best encapsulates the essence of the story: "May your journey overflow with curses and blessings."
My personal theory is that Wazukyan's visions weren't generated by himself, but by the Abyss. The reason he (seemed to) stopped getting visions after Iruburu is that he already fulfilled what the Abyss needed to create Faputa. His dying words aren't so much a direct warning because he saw the future, but frustration that he won't be able to see what the future holds. The Abyss is already shown to manipulate people outside the island with the compass. And there is one other white whistle mentioned that can circumvent the elevator to the 6th Layer. Wakuna, and his title? Wakuna, the Chosen. The abyss is trying to get something. Faputa is an accumulation of value, but that doesn't mean it stops at Faputa. We don't know why the abyss is trying to accumulate value but it seems to be what operates many of the relics. (See white whistles).
Are all the MIA fans Harvert graduates?💀
my theory is that Wazukan saw multiple future paths and chose what was possibly the best decisions
Wazukan was waiting for an opportunity.
but until that opportunity came, He had to prolong his life and his people
that opportunity was The Princess vs. The Prince, whoever won would change the outcome for Wazukan
wazukan was choosing all the best options until it a "fork in the path came" where the outcome would be based on who wins during the "Prince vs. Princess" fight.
Wazukan was hoping Reg wins, He was clearly shocked when Faputa won thats when "Wazukan was Beat"
so He changed his plan from wanting to continue venturing into the abyss to Helping team Riko
by saying "Take care of that child".
@@animeking3603 I hear yah. I enjoy the show as just a show, but if I want to understand what’s happening I rely on these analysis videos.
My theory is that Wazukyan read all the current chapters of Made in Abyss
@@animeking3603 I would surmise that it is because the kind of person who gets super into Made in Abyss tends to be unusually emotionally invested in the series because of how taxing it can be, so there's this tendency to think *a lot* about what's going on. I tend to be less interested in "theory-crafting" than I do in teasing out the themes, but I entirely understand the inclination. As soon as I finished the second season I had the overwhelming desire to write a "why are you doing this"-length essay on the series and how it made me feel and what it says about, say, the fragility of the body, what one prioritises in one's life, the nature of awe and beauty, all that stuff. I'll probably get to it one day.
This is one of my favorite aspects of Made in Abyss, just the endless amount of theories and conversation that can be made regarding lore and themes. Love it.
considering MIA creator said that the souls series influenced and inspired MIA greatly, it really isnt a surprise that MIA is filled with purposefully vague plots and lore!!
I love your focus on Wazukyan in this review. He's definitely filled with a lot of meaning to unwrap, ofc being that he is way too vague in his words half of the time. The themes of this show hit so close to home for me and my personal experiences and I love that you've highlighted the Abyss's capacity to exist both as the wonder and the terror. And I agree that Faputa is the embodiment of all of this.
Departing from the themes however I do want to give my take on the Cradle of Desire and how I don't see it in the same way that it granted Irumyuii's wish, or at least not as our traditional idea of wishes, as you had stated in the review. So when one thinks of a wish they think of requests to malevolent beings often stated in one sentence. Given how much was granted to Irumyuii: her pet being returned, having children, not feeling pain, being cured of the mock water disease, having a village that does not cast her out, protecting Vueko, I don't think the egg asked her to make a request. Instead I think the egg read her "soul signals" (as explained in episode 4 on the explanation of the balancing) and used her body as exchange for all her subconscious desires and not just asking for a request. This is also why I think her wish was corrupted because we don't really compartmentalize our desires and they all exist as one big want, so the eggs mix them all up like some f'ed up desire soup (pun intended).
Also I do like your perspective that the characters are an observer to this conflict similar to the interference units. I've never thought of that before. The one thing I'd like to add about the characters being side lined is mostly in regards to who had plot focus in the entire series so far. I'd say the first half of season 1 until ep 10 was definitely Riko's arc, the latter half until the movie was Nanachi's, and this entire season was Reg's time to shine (Faputa too cuz it's implied that she'll probably join soon). For the whole story he only provided emotional reactions and be the instant win button, but he didn't really add much in terms of being the emotional and plot relevant core to most arcs so far, so I think this sidelining was necessary just to hit that focus between the Faputa and Reg relationship. But I think in a narrative perspective because Reg's character is so tied to a history, that neither of the other main cast is a part of, that probably we will be side lining some characters if we finally get to his part of the story and his full history as shown here.
The show explicitly states that adults aren't fit for using them. I don't remember them explaining exactly HOW it grants wishes or if and which cost it has. But they did explain clearly that adult "can't" use it, due to their conflicting desires.
The only one fit to use them are innocent souls with a clearn and distinct desire/wish. Naturally, younger children are much more suitable for this, but obviously, not always "suitable enough".
I don't remember them ever stating what happens, if your desires aren't as "clear" as it needs to be, or the ramifications are of having multiples (but still very clear) desires. Neither did it mention anything about the effects of using multiple Cradles at the same time.
On that note, it also seems that either the effect of the Cradle needs time to develope, or that wishes made can change the effects. At the beginning, the Craddle of Desire definitely granted Irumyuui's wish of giving birth to a child. But not of them were able to survive. This could either be because the Craddle simply didn't manage to create a new living and lasting being at first, or that Irumyuuii's wish initially was only limited to giving birth, but not sustaining such and raise one.
Personally, I think the latter is the case, as there have been various changes to herself and what her existence causes. Best example is Faputa's existence and everything she represents.
She is the "ultimate" child, a fully living sentient and autonomous being, (borderline) immortal (most likely a very strong wish stemming from all the failed birth' at the beginning), as well as her desire for revenge and destruction of her mother. These are all things Irumyuuii didn't wish for at the very beginning.
On a different note: There is a one more duality not mentioned in this video: Irumyuui's desires/wishes regarding the village and Vueko as a person.
Faputa inheritet all the negative emotions towards the village and it's inhabitants. But at the same time, she also loved them and wanted to protect them. This is made evident by Faputa's change of view towards the villagers at the last moment's of the carnage. Faputa inherited only the negative emotions towards the village, but not the positive ones.
Meanwhile, Vueko was the only person she always held the most precious and that never changed. She protected her and her humanity for the entire time and was the second thing she did not share with Faputa.
The thing is, the interference units aren't passive observers themselves, they as their name implies interfere, and learn and help, at least in all the village and Faputa they interfered as much as Gabuuron or the ganja interference units, so maybe it's fair to say that they were kind of interference units (Reg being literally one) by interfering in other people's story.
This is a great comment!!! Your cradle of desire explanation fits so well in the show it has to be true
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I ofen enjoy speculating and theorizing on various media I consume, but with Made in Abyss, all I can manage to do is witness it. The horror and beauty of their world is mesmerizing. The characters have a human depth that makes me want to cheer for their victories and sob for their agony. The simple idea of how a story so cruel, so inhumn, could be the embodiment of human nature is so alluring. I could think up theories on the lore and the possibilities of the abyss, but in the end I can only ever watch. I guess there's something about wanting to take the journey only looking forward, too preoccupied to focus on anything but the current adventure. Between its baphometic duality at the center of its story and the outermost visuals, it is beautifully mesmerizing.
Beautifully written
Correction.
The Ganja were stuck
they were unable to proceed nor backtrack
thats why they made a village instead, But Wazukan was waiting for an opportunity.
but until that opportunity came, He had to prolong his life and his people
that opportunity was The Princess vs. The Prince, whoever won would change the outcome for Wazukan
This is what my conclusion is as well. Wazukyan definitely wanted to proceed. He wants Riko to take the Cradle because he knows that what Riko wants the most is ADVENTURE.
Her wish, however twisted, have the highest tendency to somehow get the village/Wazukyan to return back to adventuring.
@@ikanmasin1328 Hey! wanna watch a made in abyss fan animation that heals the soul?
Its faputa trying to give Reg a bento box
title: *"ファプタの卵とじ"*
here's the link: th-cam.com/video/kh8TSH95nLU/w-d-xo.html
I interpreted it as even more twisted than that: Wazukyan was stuck, and initially saw Riko as his "chance," but he realised that her companions could see through him and decided on Faputa's incursion into the city that he was screwed and he decided to manipulate the outcome by letting in the beasts and fleeing to the depths of the city. At that point he could see that all of his plans had failed and he wasn't even strong enough to trap Vueko with him, but he had to keep insisting to himself that he held all of the cards. Big "I'm not owned" energy, honestly. That said, some degree of this is not incompatible with either your or his perspective on this.
@@ConvincingPeople ever wondered why Wazukan hoped Reg won?
My theory is that Wazukan was able to see multiple branches in the future and chose the best among them until it led to a fork in the road.
A.k.a Reg vs. Faputa
The moment wazukan lost the bet, He immediately accepted defeat saying "I'm beat" and instead helped team Riko by saying "please, take care of that child" talking about Faputa, being invited to the team. Because He probs saw a future where the team neads Faputa.
@@SymmbolZS Nah, What I see is that Wazukyan receives prophesies, so visions and glimses of the future not a clear path forward and believes these visions are for him so he follows them and between the events shown by the visions he just uses his basedness to get through it.
However, the Visions might not have been for him, maybe for Faputa so that his final decisions that he thought was helping him wasn't and when he lost he got mad and gave that whole "find the abyss and dispair" speech to Rico. It is also why he asked Rico to take care of Faputa, cuz that's now his cope, to promote the being the visions were for.
"the mysteriousness allows it to make itself alluring and evoke curiosity... what makes it even more enticing is that the outer layers are wondrous and manageable enough to make it tempting to go further down. however, the further you go down, the more hostile and unforgiving the environment and creatures become there that make it much harder to survive... and this brings us to the sixth layer, where the magical facade is dropped, because the abyss no longer has to do any more work to lure you down there. you're trapped. you already came down of your own volition."
oo... this made me want to watch the show
This really makes me think of madoka magica and the "by asking for a blessing, you'll create an equal curse to equilibrate" i know it's not exactly the same thing but idk
FMA and the consequences of trying to perform alchemy to create life
Madoka magica was not this disturbing😅
@@nicolezhang8116 Including the sacrificed daughter arc as well...
Riko has no plan to have a long life, all she want is to go down as deep as she can, if possible with her friends, to the deepest part, hell even Riko is already die in the abyss, I can see how it's gonna end but I still want to see their journey
I figure rico will be turned into a robot like reg in the end. Perhaps rico is the girl robot that they talked about at some point in the story and she travelled back in time. I figure a singularity is at the lowest part in the abyss.
it depends on what path they take and it depends on the consequences of their actions depending on what path they’re taking
I've seen other people say that Riko has surprisingly skewed priorities, highlighted even moreso when she says she thinks Iruburu is a great place, and how she might make even more messed-up judgements in the future, which fascinated me. I think her journey both externally and internally is far from over.
Wonderfully said. I love this analysis!! Wazukyan most likely had good intentions but I always thought he had a deeper selfish goal of descending the abyss and becoming beyond human.
With his actions and manipulation he accumulated hell.
He never really seemed to care for his teammates and their mental well-being.
And most importantly, he was only self sacrificing until the end.
People touched by the abyss do not see at something negative. Part of the abysses corruption is "learning to love the bomb"
Still, the babies horror was survival, some people put Wazukyan at the same level of Bondrewd and it's like... Bruh, there's no surpassing Bon.
@@idk-ye7ur yeah exactly he wasn't so evil. I love both characters tho lol (Wazukyan and Bondrewd)
@@idk-ye7ur I feel like Bondrewd wins out simply because "what if a gaslighting abusive father but also the high fantasy version of Joseph Mengele" is an almost comically horrifying premise and, what's more, his voice actor's performance in the anime is incredible; Wazukyan, by contrast, is a lot more craven and even pathetic, the ways in which he is a truly terrible person both easier to relate to and harder to separate from the extremity of the circumstances he found himself. To put it another way: Wazukyan is what happens when a deeply flawed person gives into the temptation to do great harm and never looks back; but Bondrewd is what happens when a truly monstrous person with an already deeply twisted sense of what is "right" spends their whole life justifying the increasing harm that they do every step of the way.
Wazukyan wasn't only self-sacrificing. He sacrificed others along with himself and manipulated them into doing what he wanted, even tricking them into believing it was their choice. He sacrificed what wasn't his to sacrifice. He could see every single thing that happened long before it ever did and steered everyone into those tragedies so that Faputa would be born of Irumyuui's resentment and then continue their journey after fulfilling her vengeance. She's the being beyond human created from the accumulation of deeds that he wanted, and she descends the Abyss further in his place. He's the arc villain and he got exactly what he wanted.
Glad you covered this season
If anything you made me see Wazukyan's actions better. I still felt it was difficult to pin him down, yet ultimately he was desperate- showcased through every action hidden in plain sight.
Like a dark and twisted roadrunner skit.
Same. Even at the end of the show I still didn't get what Wazukyan's deal really was or what he wanted, so this detailed breakdown was really appreciated
What you said around 1:28 really got me because it just made me think of the flashback where Prushka and Meinya first met and it's all cute... But then Meinya literally shits itself for no reason and nobody acknowledges it
It was scared. Meinya is a very primitive animal like a hamster.
One comment I read a while back, someone said something about how an animal will only shit where it's comfortable and feels no danger, so Meinya's defecation meant that it was instantly at a feeling of safety with Prushka.
Yep, hamster will literally shit anywhere and do so on the go as well.
I was very confused and had many contrasting thoughts on everything that happened in season 2 but the way you explained it and made everything crystal clear made me appreciate this season 200x more despite already being one of my favorite seasons ever, if not of all time
made in abyss really is a masterpiece. You explained it so well.
Honestly, i didn't think Kinema Citrus could top S1 or the Movie, but they've outdone themselves once again
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Nah, s2 had some issues that were too aggravating to ignore. S2 wants to tell an arc too hard, bcs there was really no reason for them to stay so long on the village, they just forget that their goal is to go deeper and find the Mom, they don't even ask if they met her or know where she is.
@@oscar95237 they weren't even there very long. they stayed with bondrewd and ozen each for longer. you're mistaking episodes for being the same amount of time. they went in for prushka and got caught up in the events.. only nanachi forgot her goals for a little while because they weren't exactly her goals yet.
@@oscar95237 youre just mad we don’t have content til next season, it was great
@@gianf.11 ? no, it was just a frustrating season to see: 1st they reopen Nanachi closed arc with Mitty for no reason and contributes nothing more to worse offense. 2nd they just toss aside all main characters or just make them mindless spectators that just forgot what they came to do. 3rd they present this weird ass town that is filled with immoral ppl and when you know the backstory it's even worse, but then they try to cheaply try to make us care about their destruction, also they can't flesh out the morals of the villagers, they try to present them as "bad" to just then try to present them as "good" it's just bad consistency for the need to keep the watcher in seat and try to get emotional answers.
The season would have been not as frustrating if it was a series on its own, but this was Made in Abyss, they try to force a connection of the villagers with Riko (they are all explorers of the abyss) but they almost show nothing about that correlation and it absolutely does not reflect on the themes, so it ends up feeling like disconnected from the main series.
They could have pulled out much better this arc, if the main characters actually did not forget their goals so easily, at least try to uncover info about going deeper, prep for the descent or even just ask if they know anything about Riku's mom.
I think Faputa's development is the deepest and most striking. Faputa has a deeply engrained Luciferian desire for revenge especially so since she states that this desire is all she knows and all she NEEDS to know. The certainty that all you know is all you need to know is the exact path out of heaven, so to speak. The show also does its best to justify her position and ideological bent toward revenge. We can actually empathize with her and her desires given the "generational" trauma she's inherited. Then we're taught what the redeeming qualities are for one such as her, one so far gone. Truth, Love, and Beauty are the redeeming qualities. She loves her mother (her God in a way) so much that when struck by the idea that there are in fact things about her that she doesn't know, she's forced to surrender herself to the idea that there is more she probably doesn't know and is perhaps herself the fool. This is a profoundly astonishing realization. This opens her eyes to the beauty that lies beyond the boundaries of her knowledge, what makes her willing to focus on more than just her abysmal existence. This is what opens her hears and heart to the divine call to adventure the unknown with faith and courage instead of insisting that the world she knows is all there is to know and remaining foolishly cynical and placing herself as the all-knowing judge and executioner of creation.
MiA Season 2 gives a whole lot different meaning to the term "Village Girl"
For as illegal feeling this anime gets it’s still such a cool world and fun story
"Unavoidable" as you say at the end is the real trick. It's you falling for the trap. You already fell for it and now the curse of your position in the abyss makes it seem like you never had a choice to begin with. "Well I can't go back anymore." It's convenient and insidious. To hide behind the lack of autonomy, to mask the disaster under "inevitable". Because it genuinely never was. It was fully avoidable from the start. And that reality that there was a mistake made to lead you here is one most people ignore. It wasn't circumstance, it was conscious and ignorant or callous decision. It was an irresponsibility. All the rest is you coping with the scars of the crime committed.
And if you don't learn from this, if you don't learn from the abuse that was done unto you, you are simply fated to become an abuser. For as long as you believe it's some kind of unavoidable inevitable balance of the way things are, you will become nothing but the next failure in line pushing their crimes onto the next generation.
Woah!
The devil is always in the details
This is an interesting viewpoint of the arc. Your interpretation is fresh yet emphasizes the inherent hypnotic horror and costs of the Abyss.
This actually really helped me understand everything that happened, I was so shell shocked by the emotions of everything that I couldn’t answer why things were happening.
Most insightful, thought provoking and on point analysis of Made in Abyss I've watched so far!
The way how you described Wazukyan or the 'nature' of the abyss itself felt absolutely right for me.
I've never been invested in Made In Abyss and pretty much only watch it with a close friend, but I think this was a great dive into S2. I was personally lost for the majority of the season and failed to see a lot of meaning in the actions that took place (+ how it related to the characters) and this really helped me better understand/appreciate it, so thanks! :)
nice!! would love to see more made in abyss videos from you, the writing gets very poetic and metaphorical at times and it's always nice to see a well thought out perspective
At the beginning you stated that Disney and GHIBLI have sanitazed depictions of the world in order tho shield kids from the brutality of it, but I have to HARDLY disagree regarding Ghibli.
First of all, not only many Ghibli movies aren’t for kids to begin with, but even the ones that are meant “for kids” have serious topics in it, like in Totoro with the mother at the hospital with a serious illness. Or Kiki dealing with artistic block and depression. All Ghibli Movies have fantastical elements sprinkled on top of grounded reality and humanity. They feel REAL. Heck, look at Spirited away and how chihiro needs to save her parents from being transformed into pigs and eaten, while actually developing as a person trought the jorney into a more mature and rounded person. One of the main reasons why I love Made In Abyss so much, Is because it gives me that Ghibli Vibe. Fantastical, yet still real, but also incredibly beautiful.
And still GHIBLI's depictions are highly "sanitised" from the sheer brutality of all these aspects life. That doesn't mean to entirely avoid such topics altogether.
Thank you for this!! I was a bit confused by the lore of the second season especially around wazukan but this helped me to understand a little more and give me a deeper appreciation of this wonderful (maybe slightly problematic) show haha
The one thing about fantasy that abyss and berserk really gets right is that for every magical thing theres an equally horrifying thing.
I didn't think I could love this show more than I already did but this video managed to do it! Thank you so much!! Subscribed.
The accumulation of deeds being brought back to you in the Abyss is very Buddhist. I guess this is what the author meant when he said the Abyss is based on that conception of Hell but that concept doesn't just apply in hell and maybe that's the point.
The praying skeletons could point to an apocalyptic event that killed the early people of the abyss
I literally just finished S2 yesterday and so much of what you said about Wazukyan made sense, and the tiny details that I missed or misinterpreted on my first watch recontextualized his entire character, thank you so much.
In addition to this video helpfully pointing out some parallels I hadn't seen before (eg. Iruburu IS a mini-abyss, holy dang), this was actually the first thing that helped me piece together what Wazukyan was doing once they were all inside Iruburu. Thank you!
Very well put together. Great vid!
A very well put together review! Your interpretations really helped solidify the feelings I was having about the story and the Abyss itself. ❤
I completely missed how of an ass Wazukyan was because I was too mesmerized with everything else going on while watching,lol. It's good to know your take on it as it expanded how I see the show a bit. Great video and well put together, have a nice day.
This show urgently needs a season 3
Very interesting analysis, loved hearing your thoughts on this! Especially some of the stuff on Wazukyan like his eyes being covered until his plan is laid out for us and his interaction with Riko at the restaurant, I haven't heard those before
Discussions will never end regarind the whole Made in Abyss series. It's fascinating! God! How I love this anime. So much unknown and mystery.
Thank you for this great video. Whoever else I have seen commenting on this series, will meme the heck out of it for being a messed up world and barely try to explore its themes. Really great analyis.
Great video all around. Even just the first 6 or so minutes were the best rhetorical analysis I've heard on made in abyss. I've had very similar thoughts about it.
This and the comments really helped me understand what was happening. How cradles of desire seem to try to grant all wishes yet may get confused and attempt to execute them all, or that a person lies to themself creating contradiction, which leaves the person trying to manifest into contradictory things before the cradle gives up. I never really understood how Waku worked this season while also feeling apathetic to what was happening. Only going back am I learning what was happening. How there was unfathomable pain here yet I never tried to understand it.
Intresting! Tysm for this video, its fun to hear people talk about made in abyss.
Your commentary was so deep and easy to follow
So I recently had a theory in mind: if the abyss is sentient, then the feelings that make the raiders go down the abyss is its way to lure food in, OR when the raiders go down the abyss, they’re actually going upwards and the longing to the abyss is just an instinct that leads the raiders to escape what once consumed them without even realizing it since someone pointed out the abyss has structures that look like eyes and it slowly curves creating something resembling a mouth at the bottom layers
A wonderful nuanced and intelligently written video essay
Loved it
Everytime i see that egg, i immediately want to smash it into pieces
I think Faputa was born to live out the childhood that her mother never had moreso than revenge. The aspect of revenge imo was an instinct sewn into her to keep her from losing sight of freeing Irumyuui.
If it was solely revenge, Faputa would've died upon accomplishing it via fulfilling herpurpose, but instead she was able to become an even stronger being to get the most out of life itself. A bonus detail is in how Faputa has always looked about her mother's age until the glow-up. To me, that just signifies her being able to move on. There's also the detail that Irumyuui was outcast for her infertility but Faputa designed so that her self-worth couldn't be based on reproduction because she has a cloaca instead of human reproductive organs. Irumyuui is the best parent in the series so far because of all of this; she is willing to give her daughter everything she could need to get the most out if life beyond what she herself was given. There are many parents who envy their own children for potentially having it better than they did and thus sabotage it, but not her.
This was a great breakdown of the show’s meaning. I really enjoyed it.
Watched this masterpiece of a video during breakfast, still waiting for MIA Chapter #64, been half a year now
I watched Made in Abyss as a child. I was ruined. My childhood was ruined, and i was never the same.
Amazing video! Thank you for your analysis - u picked up things I obviously didint :)
I cried on maa because he didn't mean to but he got everything taken away from him wish I could hug him
Damn this video was way more thoughtful than I thought possible. I had read the manga before season 2 and didnt like this golden city arc and then didnt like it either in the anime but you giving me all of this new found perspective on wazukyans back handed tactics and scheming has given me new appreciation.
This is well-written and well-presented!
Wow honestly you've put things into words that I didn't even realize while watching
Thank you for clearing the various Vazukian plots to entrap riko into using the desire artifact.
Season two was such a mind fuck, but your breakdown analysis of the whole thing helped make sense of it. Thank you
Belaf wouldn't accept a piece of Faputa?
Didn't think about that. He did after all refuse the stew half way through.
Made in Abyss is the most Ubermensch anime I have ever seen
This just my theory but I think Wazukyan plan to turn Riko in to village was just him trying change his/their fate as he has already seen their future. But as things starting fall a part he fully accepted that nothing can be done and so all he can do is be part of the accumulation. So he did what he can to give Faputa all she needed to to start her journey. Making path for monsters, taking Vueko down so she has to go back up, giving his final request and more.
what nanachi speculate about wazukyan plan is just her speculation? she thinks probably what he wants but she also deduce that she will never going to make a situation where he need to take that action. in short, it is not like wazukyan sacrifice irumuuyi for his plans, no. it is because thay fall into the trap where they need to do that exact thing. wazukyan is an enigma, it is very difficult to understand that what he actually want to do and what is his decision because of the necessity to save his people (in short his helplessness). that's because we never see things from his perspective, we never learn about him like bondrwed or any other characters. it is false to say that he is selfish or he want any harm even.
Excellent breakdown.
Certainly one of the thumbnails of all time
The real question is : "Did Lyza has found the Unheard bell?" If yes, did she used it? I remember that the Unheard bell has the power of Time/space distorsion, also.
Reg prob coming from the deepest part of the abyss, why he has the Lyza's pickaxe, and the Reg name tbh, did Lyza go into the past/future to see Riko? (Or mfk Lyza is Riko) (MindBlow)
"... or Lyza is Riko" 😳
@@xiiir838 brooo🤯
Though wouldn't Lyza being Riko be a paradox? Since Lyza gave birth to Riko in the Abyss, and one can't give birth to themself? Granted, if that's true, the implications of the Abyss certainly would be even more interesting.
well, Jiruo states that Lyza indeed went back and recovered the Bell, as per her mission/contract - once she moved newborn Riko outside the Abyss. My guess is, she passed the relic to whoever requested her to recover it.
This was an 11/10 series for me. Just one questions though: Why on Earth did Vueko walk up those stairs? She said she didn't even know what she was looking for.
Damn, the abyss is just a ginormous venus fly trap. fukk...
This is so well said, bravo!
Imagine a minecraft dropper map that was the entire abyss
there's a server, at least
I was not expecting the video at At 10:45 at night also good work
this was beautiful review
*An important distinction*
Made in Abyss doesn't "merge cute and beautiful elements with grotesque and horror ones". The entire process of doing so is called GROTESQUE - mixing positive and negative designs, feelings and actions in a way that creates a comedic or unsettling atmosphere. The entire show is based around this medieval trend, the word itself refers to statues of demons placed above church entrances, thus mixing demonic and holy imagery.
As a non native I constantly see english speakers use the word "grotesque" when describing body horror or disfigurement, but the real meaning of the word has to do with opposing values. Riko's mangled hand isn't grotesque, it's the idea of a cute little girl with a mangled hand that's grotesque.
Made in Abyss in itself is exactly that, a show exploring grotesque themes, and it ends up just that, both beautiful and horrifying.
As a linguistic, words change definitions with how they are used. The definition you describe is archaic, and thus, incorrect by way of disuse.
@@Lunam_D._Roger You dare use my own spells against me? I'm majoring in linguistics and let me tell you, it's not words that change meaning, it's the people who are morons that don't know how to use them.
Proof?
The word "jealousy" refers to a desire for something YOU DON'T have and someone else has, for example a car, money or a girlfriend, yet EVERYONE uses it when describing possessiveness over something YOU DO have. Someone can be jealous of your girfriend, but you can't - you already have her, you can't wish you had her again. Someone can be jealous of your car, but you can't, you are defensive or possessive, not jealous. People are just ignorant and assume meaning based on what they hear around them without checking for proper use.
The same is true for a grotesque, the word is ancient yet it's meaning hasn't changed (at least much, since it still describes juxtaposition of elements, just now it's use has less to do with religion, and more with overall design and feel), and while some use it exclusively to describe body horror, I have also met it's proper use from time to time. I mostly chalk it down to ignorance. You can see defintions of the word, and they confirm what I said, just because it's common practice to use terms incorrectly doesn't mean it should be tolerated. Vox populi - vox idiota.
Back to grotesque, I find it's practice really alluring since most of those who employ it understand what it is they're doing and it's effects are very pronounced. Both MIA and Black Bullet (author's previous work) use grotesque to great extent and both provide the same morbid ridiculousness of horrible things happening to cute and innocent characters. It's just worth pointing out that what MIA does is not new, but it shines light on an ancient practice that is still relevant to this day and can be used to great effect if used correctly. While basing your entire show on such a concept is risky at best, I find that Abyss has the advantage of grotesque being used incorrectly in most other anime, being relegated to a vehicle for unnecessary shock value to attract attention. Abyss, while definitely too keen on child nudity is without a doubt a great work of art and a shining example of perfectly implemented grotesque.
P.S. there has never been a "disuse" of grotesque, as it is an artistic practice prevalent since it's introduction.
@@mrsmartypants4541 ok bro now go create the word (redacted) and explain for people 2000 years from now why they don't understand english 🤓
@@FaptaA I don't need to, smart people exist to explain such things to people like you, so if your kind needs guidance in the future, some other SmartyPants will surely carry the torch of knowledge and enlighten the troglodytes. However I doubt you would understand it with your reliance on emojis and pictures on shampoo bottles to guide your goofy ass through your blind stumble through life.
@@mrsmartypants4541 yes smartass 🤓💀🍺 now create the time machine and explain why people are going to use it wrong. 🤡👽
Eyo just discovered your channel from this vid, hoping you'd do more of these for the series I watch ngl haha. Interesting take on the story that I never considered or took nice. Keep it up man
Arigathanks Gozaimuch for this ❣️❣️❣️ I love this content of yours.
Malice requires thought. The "problem" with the cradles is that humans are largely incapable of what the show refers to as "purity of desire", where you truly want *one* thing more than anything else.
As much as Irryumi didn't want everyone to die of hunger/thirst, she wanted to be able to be a mother just as badly, and the cradle fulfilled her desires
Great video!
I think Riko is a mix between Bondrewd and Wazukyan.
6:29 there's a fantheory that was developed during the iruburu arc that's takes what you're saying a step further.
The theory is that all relics in the abyss are made from human souls. Just like Orth's religion believes that their souls return to the abyss, they really do. And then their souls, that is to say their unfulfilled dreams and desires, are compressed into their purest form: a relic. It's already the case that white whistles are made from humans, just in a very specific way. We also know that egg-shaped relics just suddenly appear in the abyss, they're not all technologies from a long-lost civilization (though some are). So when you die in the abyss, it transforms your soul into a relic which appears somewhere. Then cave raiders bring it back up to the surface and sell it for money. Capitalism!
Excellent analysis!
The abyss is basically a giant pitcher plant.
Great video! You picked up on so many things that I missed, only thing that I would like to have seen/heard, was the made in abyss soundtrack in the background, its very atmospheric and pairs well with pondering things, but I suppose this could have copyright issues. However that's just my own preference and the way you presented this video was brilliant regardless!
i love made in abyss theoryyy
Just noticed the thumbnail change - 3rd one so far, gotta say it's better!
Sad the vid didn't get much traction but I dunno if the algorithm is pushing MiA stuff down OR it's just lost in the storm of Edgerunners and CSM-
I like both of those so far but none of it really hit me or made my head churn like MiA, hope it gets a second wind at some point soon
This was beautiful
brilliant analysis of the show senpai
I take the escalator now
Yes! a really god analysis !
great video, very insightfull.
Reg doesn't remember his name when emerging from the pit, Riko names him Reg after her dog. (season 1)
In season 2 a flashback to earlier in the timeline, He tells Faputa his name, Reg.... But that's before he climbs up from the pit to the surface. Does the manga explain this coincidence of having with having the name Reg, then meeting Riko and she names him Reg?
No, we don't know yet, it's mysterious
he mentions a mentor, who gave him a mission to find his 'haku'. so im assuming his mentor is Lyza, who asked him to bring Riko back down (?) Depends on where Riko got the Dog from. If her mother bought it for her, then mabye they both named him the same thing.
How do we define our value? What makes expercing life with all its blessings and curses worth it?
Relationships are definitely an aspect
Unraveling the mystery of our potential is another
It is a question we have asjed for a long time and still don't have an answer.
Nice interesting take. But my God that ending was really cheesey 😂
This was quite an eye opener since am not really too perceptive and knowledgeable about this but thanks to you I really got a new perception of the new season 😊. But I know one thing for certain that "made in abyss" will probably be my no. 1 anime forever 😆 it has it all that makes me Soo intrigued and unsettled at the same time.
great vid, subscribed
On season 2 episode 10 right now. I like the dub version more and boy its getting good
As they say As above so below and vice versa
Season 2 was hell but i absolutely loved it. Its my favorite season so far
0:51 please explain I don't get it
i had heard all the asterisks in recommendation of Made in Abyss from youtubers i enjoyed and whose words i trusted, but i had set aside watching it because maybe it was really bad and i shouldn't have ever listened to anitubers about a show like this, no matter how good the story was it just couldn't be worth sitting through how the child characters are treated in gratuitous and cruel ways
i binged season 1, DotDS, then season 2, and in spite of the more uncomfortable elements it is now one of my favorite anime ever and possibly the one that most made me cry
and a lot of said tears were from the Golden City arc, i am very sure of that
Same here. I was very much "Ehhhh, I will take your word for it." But eventually I caved and watched it with a friend. There is only one or two other anime that had brought me close to crying, and this one brought me the closest to crying 3 times, as I had watched the series a total of 3 times.
For me most of the tears was the end of s1 with Mitty. It is such a gut wrenching scene to watch as the build-up and the execution of the scene was just so powerful. Not to mention the soundtrack, the soundtrack is just beautiful and makes me wanna cry even more.
I like Made in Abyss because it shows yes these people do wash and use the bathroom where all other anime’s I’ve seen so far don’t even acknowledge it or in a line but not really shown, it adds a sense of realism
The monkeys paw takes wishes literally, the cradel of desire takes wishes figuratively. It's the exact opposite of what you said.