Maybe make the tube telescoping. The main structure tube could be expanded to 11' or collapse down to 6'. You could use the winch to extend or collapse the length of the log arch based on the size needed in the field. Just a thought.
I figured that is where this would go. Telescoping makes sense. Doug will probably make it powder coated, hydraulic operation, and laser engraved. It will be awesome!
I would also add a V shaped bracket (facing down) approximately 12" from the front of the main structure tube to keep the log centered under the main structure tube. This would keep the log from wanting to shift off to the side when moving.
Once you get the log cradled in the chain, reposition the grapple closer to the end and lift it some. This would help transfer weight farther to the front.
The timing of this video couldn't be better. I've been considering an arch for a while and it's nice to see the concerns you have with them but most importantly the solutions you are coming up with. I'm looking forward to part 2!
I would second your last comment regarding lengthening the main beam. That was my initial thought as I watched you & Adam having to adjust the log on the way back. I wondered too if you make a plate with a pivoting wheel that you could put underneath the log on the end, providing you can get it under the log, and use a ratchet strap to hold it in place. Like rear landing gear. 😊
Used something similar behind snowmachines to build trap line cabins. But they were two pieces like to small sleds logs were tied to both one at the front and one at the rear.
Make an extra log arch that you can add when you have logs over 12 ' or some bogie wheel to the end of the logs or an extension you can add to the front that can be added & subtracted the box rail tube that can be held on to the log arch when not needed . The possibilities are endless lol
I sure hope you patented this improvement. I love watching you and Adam . You guys are great! This improvement is ingenious. However because you have a published video - that will help if you have patent issues.
I'm actually in the process of building a log arch because I have a homemade sawmill but I don't like dragging my logs through dirt, mud etc. the current length on the bottom is just over 7' 6" at the pivot point. However, I will be making some different things to accommodate for longer and shorter logs. Mine will have more overall height than the one y'all used. I think I have the geometry figured out about right depending on weight and diameter of the log.
Do you think adding an adjustable extension to the main beam would allow for longer pieces? Release 1 or 2 pins, pull the main beam apart, exposing an inner beam or sleeve, so as to adjust the overall length of the cart? How would that affect the stability and lifting/cradling capacity of the cart?
I've started making trails in my woods and I would love to get the bigger ones out for fence posts and other projects. Was watching Capt Kleeman's channel and he has a few videos on his log arch. Take a look at his and see if you can figure out a way to add a few feet or tubing out the back to help with the weight distribution. I'm going to take your info and the Capts log arch and see what I can find. Thanks for a great video of an applicable topic for me.
I love your Polaris General. Had the same machine 2022 at our mountain property. We moved to the coast shortly after, just not enough poop for the sand.
Cut the arch just ahead of the winch, add an internal tube with pins for various lengths. Also, replace the winch cable with a synthetic line. If anything breaks, it will probably be the wire and you don’t want to get hit by that. Get as much iron out of the tension system as possible. An arch near the front of the log can help trap it left to right and add tongue weight.
Another vote for telescoping main beam with adjustable friction stop, you could drill holes and use pins but it would weaken it slightly. Makes it eaiser to store and get the balance point right on short or long logs. I'd vote for a 12v winch versus the hand crank. 🤘
Extend the overall length of it by a little over 1/2 of whatever the maximum log length the sawmill can handle is, replace the manual winch with an electric winch (you've got power on the ATV), put a T-bar close to where the front chain hooks are so that when lifting two logs you've got something for the log to cantilever against until you can get the chain under it (maybe weld a 2" box section at 90 degrees to the boom so the T-bar is removable). If you're going to try to carry two logs, seems there needs to be a mechanism for offset the winch cable so you're not lifting from the center of the cart. And I know you know this, but too much tongue weight is about as bad as too little. Having steering capability is always a good thing :)
my thought thought while watching it was you need the main beam be telescoping like on an engine heist. then when you have a long log, just extend it out. like your idea arch hoop on the front to keep the tail heavy logs in place for the ride back.
Nice ideas so far, I look forward to the next one where you extend the arch for longer logs 😀. BTW, leave the fake drama for the Discovery Channel. Your content is too good.
I admit my suggestions are off the page but a 4 wheel trailer like GP outdoors or Sawing with Sandy is the solution. You’d be able to haul more than 1 or 2 logs too. Surely the pull vehicle would have to be heavier, like your tractor. Yeah I’m that guy this time.
I saw a young man make his own small version of this on the channel traplines and inlines. Seemed to work a lot better if he backed the skidder over the top of the log, he dragged the logs around scraping the ground though. Anyway cool project, I look forward to seeing the follow up.
You can use the log grapple to lift the front half of log. Add a pulley that diverts cable to one side of center tube right after winch. Remove pin off rear pulley to allow cable to move forward. If you are going to lengthen log arch, move rear pulley to lift center of log. Maybe make rear pulley on a moveable crane assembly. Extend a tube out the back too.
Pretty cool improvement. Could you get a another grabber on the front and rig up a winch that lifts them both at the same time? I guess it would have to be short logs or a longer arch. Maybe an electric winch and some 40" off road tires LOL!
Hey guy's great ideas there.. like many others I would make the main tube telescoping, add a v brace in the front to control the sides of the log and swap that winch with the cable out for 1 that uses a soft line much safer, if something comes loose or breaks..
It’s pretty much the consensus that the length needs extending, I would cut the topbar and weld/bolt a smaller one inside that extends the length, drill a series of holes to pin the other section in place to make an adjustable log arch.
Can you make the bar telescope in some way? Also make a V at the hitch end to center the log automatically. To prevent run out of the winch, replace with a synthetic line it's stronger and can get close to double the distance.
A strap winch for sure. I would consider a little larger grapple hook and then raise the roller a bit higher to get the grapple further back and lift the back of the tree to obtain more tongue weight. Like a weight distribution bar for a trailer. And some sides that are adjustable in the front to hold the tree/s in place. Not sure what the weight capacity is for the trailer and tongue which should be taken into consideration. I am 99.999999% sure you already have a plan! Great video guys!
If they do move, you don’t have them on tight enough. And, yes, the saddles need to be on the live end and not the loose tail. Definitely a rigging industry standard.
Had a few ideas, one a harbor freight winch and a quick disconnect to battery, or a brake winch and a drive on the end of the handle for a impactor or battery impact, you could do a larger square tube in the center frame and used two hitch pins and change the length or just weld it and have it 8-10ft long. I am actually really surprised they put the lift point behind the wheels cause it’s always going to have leverage to lift up on the hitch. A heavy jack with a spike on it to keep from sliding the machine when winching. Lots of ideas just how far you want to go or what your wanting to actually do with it. And trying to explain over text
Stay tuned for part 2, I put a lot of thought into keeping it simple, effective and the costs down while still making it much better than it was. Thanks for watching!
If not telescoping I would say just a extend it. You can make a adjustable stop. It can adjust for upward and forward movement. Lifting entire unit would help ground clearance or increasing hitch point because grappler is long. Keeps cable clamps out of the roller. Extra chain and winch is good ideas.
How about modifying the Push Rod to a T-Handle for pulling the chain, but also "Plasti-Dip" the handle for color & grip? Maybe also add a 12v smaller Winch, with a waterproof power port on the rear of each machine that can be plugged in like a Trailer? For the "Toung Lift", you could use a Ratchet Strap...
I suggest welding a triangle shaped spike where the end of the log rest against that would keep it from going left to right and lock the log end in place.
We need an ultimate one (eye) stop SHOP/GARAGE from doug. What would you do to set up a brand new 40x60 shop? Knowing what you know now help out the younger guys just getting started.
@Alex Short check out my SHOP/GARAGE video on my neighbors channel. We did this video before I had my own channel. th-cam.com/video/mFYJFgOIRCM/w-d-xo.html It has over 1.3 million views now. There is some pretty good stuff in it to help get anyone thinking and places to start.
@Grayco2 check out the part 2 video. Also, with this cable, it twists and the saddles change as it is wound up. The new clamps also have to clear the frame so I had to take that into consideration. Thanks for watching!
Remove the winch and add an ATV winch at the top of the log arch. A tool battery might be enough to drive it or connect to the Utv supply. That allows you to use a remote and gets you out of the line of fire should something let go suddenly.
2 guys with excavators and tractors and they need a log lift. Cherry picker lift on the 3-point with a full loader bucket should handle about anything you got. Especially if you got a hydraulic top link.
Thoes log arch also have so called "rear axle's" to support longer logs. That's the only way to transport long log without draging it on the ground. Look at Iron Baltic log haulers, they are very nice and perfect for very long logs.
Others have already commented… But. Think you’re on the right track of adding a 2nd lift, one for each set of chains, front and rear. Then cut the main beam in half or just ahead of the braces and add a couple feet. But I still think it should telescope. Good work Doug and Adam! Enjoy the Game today, who are you betting on?
Maybe make the tube telescoping. The main structure tube could be expanded to 11' or collapse down to 6'. You could use the winch to extend or collapse the length of the log arch based on the size needed in the field. Just a thought.
Great Idea!!
Or do it like large semi trailers for logs to make it a 2 part lift and use the log in the middle for the "frame" of the arch.
I figured that is where this would go. Telescoping makes sense. Doug will probably make it powder coated, hydraulic operation, and laser engraved. It will be awesome!
That’s what I was thinking the whole time watching the video
You do an awesome job,trying to get everything just the way u want it to be congratulations
I would also add a V shaped bracket (facing down) approximately 12" from the front of the main structure tube to keep the log centered under the main structure tube. This would keep the log from wanting to shift off to the side when moving.
This is very informational give the guy a thumbs up and share it it will help him out to continue what he does.
Great intro haha. Anxiously awaiting the next!
Great video. I was thinking make it extendable. A bigger piece of square tubing and a big T handle set screw??
Once you get the log cradled in the chain, reposition the grapple closer to the end and lift it some. This would help transfer weight farther to the front.
Ready for the "organizing Hometown Acres New man cave" video
The timing of this video couldn't be better. I've been considering an arch for a while and it's nice to see the concerns you have with them but most importantly the solutions you are coming up with. I'm looking forward to part 2!
I would second your last comment regarding lengthening the main beam. That was my initial thought as I watched you & Adam having to adjust the log on the way back. I wondered too if you make a plate with a pivoting wheel that you could put underneath the log on the end, providing you can get it under the log, and use a ratchet strap to hold it in place. Like rear landing gear. 😊
Used something similar behind snowmachines to build trap line cabins. But they were two pieces like to small sleds logs were tied to both one at the front and one at the rear.
Make an extra log arch that you can add when you have logs over 12 ' or some bogie wheel to the end of the logs or an extension you can add to the front that can be added & subtracted the box rail tube that can be held on to the log arch when not needed . The possibilities are endless lol
I sure hope you patented this improvement. I love watching you and Adam . You guys are great! This improvement is ingenious. However because you have a published video - that will help if you have patent issues.
I'm actually in the process of building a log arch because I have a homemade sawmill but I don't like dragging my logs through dirt, mud etc. the current length on the bottom is just over 7' 6" at the pivot point. However, I will be making some different things to accommodate for longer and shorter logs. Mine will have more overall height than the one y'all used. I think I have the geometry figured out about right depending on weight and diameter of the log.
Do you think adding an adjustable extension to the main beam would allow for longer pieces? Release 1 or 2 pins, pull the main beam apart, exposing an inner beam or sleeve, so as to adjust the overall length of the cart? How would that affect the stability and lifting/cradling capacity of the cart?
I've started making trails in my woods and I would love to get the bigger ones out for fence posts and other projects. Was watching Capt Kleeman's channel and he has a few videos on his log arch. Take a look at his and see if you can figure out a way to add a few feet or tubing out the back to help with the weight distribution. I'm going to take your info and the Capts log arch and see what I can find. Thanks for a great video of an applicable topic for me.
Stay tuned for part 2 where I put the upgrades all together.
I love your Polaris General. Had the same machine 2022 at our mountain property. We moved to the coast shortly after, just not enough poop for the sand.
Did you get rid of it or get something with more poop? 😆
I came here to suggest a telescoping front tube but I see others have already recommended that idea. Cheers!
Get some square tube extend the length or add a 2nd one with wheels
You need a dolly (with castering wheels?) That you can attach to the tail end of the log. That way, tongue weight wouldn't be a problem.
I instantly thought of a longer/extendable (tube within a tube) hitch. However, I then see your point of needing a separate lifting method up front.
Cut the arch just ahead of the winch, add an internal tube with pins for various lengths. Also, replace the winch cable with a synthetic line. If anything breaks, it will probably be the wire and you don’t want to get hit by that. Get as much iron out of the tension system as possible. An arch near the front of the log can help trap it left to right and add tongue weight.
Another vote for telescoping main beam with adjustable friction stop, you could drill holes and use pins but it would weaken it slightly. Makes it eaiser to store and get the balance point right on short or long logs. I'd vote for a 12v winch versus the hand crank. 🤘
Extend the overall length of it by a little over 1/2 of whatever the maximum log length the sawmill can handle is, replace the manual winch with an electric winch (you've got power on the ATV), put a T-bar close to where the front chain hooks are so that when lifting two logs you've got something for the log to cantilever against until you can get the chain under it (maybe weld a 2" box section at 90 degrees to the boom so the T-bar is removable). If you're going to try to carry two logs, seems there needs to be a mechanism for offset the winch cable so you're not lifting from the center of the cart.
And I know you know this, but too much tongue weight is about as bad as too little. Having steering capability is always a good thing :)
my thought thought while watching it was you need the main beam be telescoping like on an engine heist. then when you have a long log, just extend it out. like your idea arch hoop on the front to keep the tail heavy logs in place for the ride back.
Nice ideas so far, I look forward to the next one where you extend the arch for longer logs 😀. BTW, leave the fake drama for the Discovery Channel. Your content is too good.
I admit my suggestions are off the page but a 4 wheel trailer like GP outdoors or Sawing with Sandy is the solution. You’d be able to haul more than 1 or 2 logs too. Surely the pull vehicle would have to be heavier, like your tractor. Yeah I’m that guy this time.
I saw a young man make his own small version of this on the channel traplines and inlines. Seemed to work a lot better if he backed the skidder over the top of the log, he dragged the logs around scraping the ground though. Anyway cool project, I look forward to seeing the follow up.
You can use the log grapple to lift the front half of log. Add a pulley that diverts cable to one side of center tube right after winch. Remove pin off rear pulley to allow cable to move forward.
If you are going to lengthen log arch, move rear pulley to lift center of log. Maybe make rear pulley on a moveable crane assembly. Extend a tube out the back too.
Pretty cool improvement. Could you get a another grabber on the front and rig up a winch that lifts them both at the same time? I guess it would have to be short logs or a longer arch. Maybe an electric winch and some 40" off road tires LOL!
Cool idea
Hey guy's great ideas there.. like many others I would make the main tube telescoping, add a v brace in the front to control the sides of the log and swap that winch with the cable out for 1 that uses a soft line much safer, if something comes loose or breaks..
Great tip!
It’s pretty much the consensus that the length needs extending, I would cut the topbar and weld/bolt a smaller one inside that extends the length, drill a series of holes to pin the other section in place to make an adjustable log arch.
Extend the length of hauler/retractable /Telescoping...
Lol. You telling autumn to keep her finger out of frame and then doing it yourself 😂😂😂
Yea, I noticed that. it was my big a$$ glove getting in the way!
Doug….it’ll be interesting to see what you come up with to improve this log arch. 👍
Can you make the bar telescope in some way?
Also make a V at the hitch end to center the log automatically.
To prevent run out of the winch, replace with a synthetic line it's stronger and can get close to double the distance.
A strap winch for sure. I would consider a little larger grapple hook and then raise the roller a bit higher to get the grapple further back and lift the back of the tree to obtain more tongue weight. Like a weight distribution bar for a trailer. And some sides that are adjustable in the front to hold the tree/s in place. Not sure what the weight capacity is for the trailer and tongue which should be taken into consideration. I am 99.999999% sure you already have a plan! Great video guys!
Got them cable saddles on backwards Doug. Never saddle a dead horse.
When the cable twists, they are correct. Lol
Doesn’t matter where you put them, when the cable is in tension, they move.
If they do move, you don’t have them on tight enough. And, yes, the saddles need to be on the live end and not the loose tail. Definitely a rigging industry standard.
Had a few ideas, one a harbor freight winch and a quick disconnect to battery, or a brake winch and a drive on the end of the handle for a impactor or battery impact, you could do a larger square tube in the center frame and used two hitch pins and change the length or just weld it and have it 8-10ft long. I am actually really surprised they put the lift point behind the wheels cause it’s always going to have leverage to lift up on the hitch. A heavy jack with a spike on it to keep from sliding the machine when winching. Lots of ideas just how far you want to go or what your wanting to actually do with it. And trying to explain over text
Stay tuned for part 2, I put a lot of thought into keeping it simple, effective and the costs down while still making it much better than it was. Thanks for watching!
Have you considered building a separate wheel cradle for the end of the log?
I did, we talk about it towards the end of the video
It looks like you need a support on the rearwith wheels to take the weight.
If not telescoping I would say just a extend it. You can make a adjustable stop. It can adjust for upward and forward movement. Lifting entire unit would help ground clearance or increasing hitch point because grappler is long. Keeps cable clamps out of the roller. Extra chain and winch is good ideas.
Awesome job 😊😊
Thanks 😄
How about modifying the Push Rod to a T-Handle for pulling the chain, but also "Plasti-Dip" the handle for color & grip?
Maybe also add a 12v smaller Winch, with a waterproof power port on the rear of each machine that can be plugged in like a Trailer?
For the "Toung Lift", you could use a Ratchet Strap...
The pole trailers have a pin to pull out and stretch the main tube out. So a telescopic main tube is what you want.
I suggest welding a triangle shaped spike where the end of the log rest against that would keep it from going left to right and lock the log end in place.
Add tractor weights or barbells to the front to give you more tongue weight. Theyre cheap and easy to take on and off.
What about if you hook up both chains than put the hook at the end of the log, and pull it up causing the weight to move to the front
That was a good one chaps, who kept the log carrier?
Still at my house!
I can’t help but think of Quint from “JAWS “ when I hear those cranks 😂🦈
We need an ultimate one (eye) stop SHOP/GARAGE from doug. What would you do to set up a brand new 40x60 shop? Knowing what you know now help out the younger guys just getting started.
@Alex Short check out my SHOP/GARAGE video on my neighbors channel. We did this video before I had my own channel. th-cam.com/video/mFYJFgOIRCM/w-d-xo.html It has over 1.3 million views now. There is some pretty good stuff in it to help get anyone thinking and places to start.
I can see modifications happening, more gussets!
I've never seen anyone use these to carry logs. I thought the intent is to get one end off the ground so can drag it.
It is. It's a skidder not s carrier
Job well done
I live in delaware would this be something u could build or take orders for ?
I don’t have contacts for the wheels and axels so it would not be worth doing one off builds
Great ingenuity as always! Just a suggestion, the cable clamps look to be installed backwards.
Thanks for the tip!
The old saying on cable clamps is "Never saddle a dead horse".
The saddles on the cable clamps are on the dead end of the cable.
@Grayco2 check out the part 2 video. Also, with this cable, it twists and the saddles change as it is wound up. The new clamps also have to clear the frame so I had to take that into consideration. Thanks for watching!
Remove the winch and add an ATV winch at the top of the log arch. A tool battery might be enough to drive it or connect to the Utv supply. That allows you to use a remote and gets you out of the line of fire should something let go suddenly.
I agree completely!!!
Thanks
To facilitate moving longer logs I would like to see a modification to the log arch by increasing its length by several feet.
Good morning y’all.
Good morning!
you have the cable clevis on backwards."never put a saddle on a dead horse" U bolt part always goes on the tag end.
The cable rotates when under tension so there really isn’t a top or bottom to it.
2 guys with excavators and tractors and they need a log lift. Cherry picker lift on the 3-point with a full loader bucket should handle about anything you got. Especially if you got a hydraulic top link.
You need a another axle for the back to lift up the log
Nead to cut the arch in hafe add 4 or 5 foot for a statt
Exactly what I hope to do!
Thoes log arch also have so called "rear axle's" to support longer logs. That's the only way to transport long log without draging it on the ground. Look at Iron Baltic log haulers, they are very nice and perfect for very long logs.
Awesome thanks
how about just a "SPAR" sticking out the back, for the rear of the log to rest on...???
I think you could put dolly wheels at the end of the log.
Others have already commented… But. Think you’re on the right track of adding a 2nd lift, one for each set of chains, front and rear. Then cut the main beam in half or just ahead of the braces and add a couple feet. But I still think it should telescope. Good work Doug and Adam! Enjoy the Game today, who are you betting on?
I’m betting that one of the teams will win. Don’t really care who but being from Pa, I really don’t want Philly win.😆
make the rail longer or better adjustable,but keep in mind that your limited by your tow machine 👍👍
Yes, you are right
Maybe replace that wire rope with synthetic rope?
Naw ain't never used a log arch, but I can see the advantages.
Telescope like a engine hoist pinning every foot n put 12 volt winch at each end n onboard battery
Stay tuned for part 2 coming up soon. I may eventually end up putting an electric winch on it at some point.
A cradle buggy sounds pretty good right now
That’s what I thought.
its designed for 1 log at a certain weight. youre doubling that without reinforcement. unless its 2 smaller logs so never mind.
I think we need a bigger boat!
Then I think you should get one. Lol thanks for watching
Cable clamps on back to front ( never saddle a dead horse )
Just trying to be helpful 👍
your crosby clamps are backwards. never saddle a dead horse
When you twist the cable, they are correct. It really depends on how the cable is twisted.
A longer trailer would be better
Use two log arches
Doug, I sent you an email of my log hauler. Pictures attached.
Thank You, I check it out!
Add a foot to the arch…
Gee , just make the arch longer.
Add six feet to the length 👍
Thinking about it. If I do, I want to make the winch work for two places.
Doug, Captain obvious has nothing on you. reaching for content now. I am sure company makes all sizes for folks.