Helen Joyce: the truth about trans and why sex matters | SpectatorTV
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- Author and journalist Helen Joyce speaks to Winston about the most contentious issue of the age: the transgender debate. They discussed Mermaids, Tavistock, the Scottish Gender Bill and her new book; perhaps the most authoritative on the subject. Is the growing phenomenon what Jung called a 'psychic endemic'? Listen to find out…
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00:00 - Introduction
00:37 - Is a trans woman a woman?
08:12 - What is gender dysphoria?
14:24 - What can you tell me about Mermaids charity?
26:08 - Tavistock and hopes for the future
30:40 - The Equalities Act and gender neutral toilets
45:11 - Gender self-identification and the Scottish Gender Bill
56:43 - Helen's new book and has she been cancelled?
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As an old gay man I’m so glad I’m not the child of trendy middle class parents today.
Yours is a great comment to add to this complex issue. It provides more perspective from those who have already moved through these stages of life, and were not encouraged to prematurely embrace the idea of altering their physiology -- before becoming mature enough to even understand what they truly need to become comfortable in their body, and in this complex world we are navigating. 🌟
@@livingitup9647 thank you.
No doubt!
@@iaindennis3321 how old are you? I’m the same at 45 which in the hebephilic gay world means I’m ancient. I grew up in a fairly homophobic working class environment so have some sympathy with folks but yes, it is crazy. This whole thing is beyond parody now. I’m glad I grew up in the 70s and 80s.
As a young gay man I’m glad I was before this shit kicked off full force
I always shed a tear of joy when I discover another one of the few people in this world who has not gone mad.
"People who disagree with me are mad". Wow, what a skeptic.
You cry tears of joy at ripping away trans people's agency?
The madness is restricted to less than half the population of the collective West (which is itself good news). The rest of humanity -- 86% of all human beings -- are absolutely not interested in this craziness.
Same here!
When it’s about a subject like this then I think they have gone mad.
As a kid, my parents told me that "gender" is just a nice way of saying "sex" with respect to males and females (usually on job applications). Until about 5 yrs ago, the terms were basically interchangeable for most of us. How all of this changed is still baffling to me... and I'm a gay man who "should" have a better understanding of all of this.
At the risk of being canceled, I'll add this one thing: I've known 7 or 8 trans-identifying adults over the past 40 yrs, and all but one completed their transition. None of them were particularly happy or emotionally stable prior to transitioning, and that didn't change afterward. Anecdotal, yes, but certainly worth noting.
Great comment. Agree with you about the gender/sex linguistic confusion.
I think it was Americans who started replacing the word sex with gender due to prudishness. Here in the UK it has only happened recently on forms etc. If you read classic literature you notice that people used the word sex all the time in polite society e.g 'members of your sex', 'the fairer sex' etc. It's only when we started to use the word sex as an abbreviation for sexual intercourse that Americans took a turn against it, and then we followed the trend.
Agreed. (American here)
There is quite a munchausens like fascination for talking about "the process" in graphic detail, complete with whipping out the phone and scrolling thru their "operations picture gallery", (which feels no different to working with people who want to talk about their sexual escapades in excruciatingly tedious detail every single morning before you've even hit your desk, its the new "flashing" in my opinion, no l'm not being harsh, the audience is a crucial part of the process, it is exhibitionism.
(Ive always swerved any morbid conversations about operations, dislike ghoulishness)
What l find psychologically fascinating is their pull between passing as the opposite gender, and therefore losing an audience, and the opposite pull, needing to stand out all the time, but then, the 2nd choice triggers an involuntary "uncanny valley" response in the audience, which is alienating.
The mental health problems are caused by seeming to have unlimited choices, (As like frontal lobe damage, which also triggers endless rumination and inability to stick with a decision)
I want to be sympathetic, but my irritation with being constantly interrupted is intense, ironically like a projection of their inner conflict.
Bruce Jenner's sex operation really opened the door to this tsunami of madness.
"Is a trans women a women?
No of course not."
I liked this lady straight away after that comment...
I can never have enough Helen! She’s able to explain this so clearly and we need more of her in mainstream media.
Would might hope that the BBC may engage her services 😉
Touche!
FYI Helen Joyce is a transphobe with no specialist education or training. She is a well to do with family connections, she can get published if only she can find a subject to sell. Just happens transphobia sells well at the moment. She's from tge same rich vein if British elites as the equally uneducated Douglas Murray. Douglas likes to use a stiff old fashioned English accent to substitute any formal education in any subject he cashes in on.
Truth is most of us can say this stuff. We all have got too much to lose.
I had too much when her bigot mouth fell open myself. I guess you can take it better than I can.
“It’s the only way to maintain the lie, is to stop anyone talking about it” is probably my favourite line ever - having experienced the trans hatred and harassment when women assemble and speak I know this is what’s at the heart of their anger.
And how telling when it's said in a video titled 'the truth about trans' in which there are no trans people speaking
I've noticed this pattern with many issues recently, with the lie being protected by calling any opposing views as "misinformation".
@@tom5083 You can call them lies if you'd prefer. *Helen Joyce is a liar* She talks and writes about things she knows nothing about. She is not trans, has never worked with trans people and knows nothing about us. Her opinions are just that. Opinions.
She is dead wrong and her lies are dangerous. In her quest to protect people who do not need her protection, she peddles fear and lies
@Phil Davidson By my logic? What?
Where did I say anything that implies that? 😄
Watch "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16" if you'd like to learn something.
Helen Joyce is so articulate , and likewise her book is so straightforward and direct, its impossible not to understand what she means and how she gets to the facts of the matter. This lady is an indomitable force without a doubt.
She has changed the world, in my opinion. One of the best journalists we have here in the UK by a mile, if not THE best in recent years.
I wholly concur. She’s fantastic. Eloquent, articulate and so straightforward without being patronising or insulting.
I adore her.
@@jillglenister7087 Joyce is a cal voice in a storm.
She is so pig ignorant and sexist she starts the interview by admittingshe doesn't now what a trans person is, and she thinks a PhD in Math is 'manly' 🤮
@@moif_velocita Helen Joyce is drawing attention to the fact that gender ideology relies on sexist stereotypes. See the Barbie / GI Joe scale for reference. If someone was to place her on this gender spectrum, her PhD makes her more like a man than a woman. Very silly, isn't it? She's drawing attention to the inaccuracies of the ideology.
So uplifting to realise that there IS some sanity left in the world.
Excellent discussion.
Thank you Helen and thank you Spectator for speaking about this topic with clarity, compassion and reason.
Unless your trans then it makes sure u have no rights and are treated unequally . Yes. Go team bigotry and hate
Helen Joyce carpet bombs our culture with truth, logic and common sense. And boy do we need it!
The most important grift of the 21th century is gaslighting. We don't tell kids with physical disabilities that they are born in the wrong bodies. And yet here we are in 2022 wasting brilliant minds having to explain why society has to value the dignity of our mothers, aunts, sisters,daughters!
You make a very good point!!
Watch this "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16"
"Hello, 2022? What's it like there in the future? Do we have colonies on the moon? Flying cars?
.........what do you mean you don't know what a woman is?"
@@DoctorPhileasFragg Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
So letting someone be trans equates to hating women? Do explain.
Good parents know this; if you give attention to certain behavior, you get more of it. When it's happening on a media level, it's downright frightening.
So you don't want to let adults be trans?
@@wandajean5186 Was she talking about adults? 😂
@@wandajean5186adults who suffer from gender dysphoria may benefit from gender affirming surgery. However, we need to return proper diagnosis and socially transitioning before hormones or surgery are agreed. If you don't suffer from gender dysphoria then you can do whatever you wish, as an adult, but the NHS should not be paying for it.
I became so incensed at the policies about transgender washrooms in the University I was attending I withdrew from the courses I was taking, They even had a sign about washrooms installed on one of the main doors to the University and that was the last straw. Why are we so concerned about so few people? It makes so sense to partake in this crusade.
Yep. Un- ironically, ending up excluding you as a woman! 🤦🏻♀️
I'm not sure I get your point. It's a small group of people but it just to be something like 1:50.000 and now it's probably more like 1:1000 or even 1:100 in some age groups. There issue is that these people affect a lot of others by imposing their lifestyle on the rest of us by using the toilets of the opposite sex, by demanding we call them by a name for the opposite sex and pronouns, by their imposed changes in language that erases women. Most of this affects girls and women a lot more than it does boys and men.
Did you object to thesexism of not allowing males into female sports programs - solely on the basis of his sex?
So being in the minority makes you less important? You must think people with Down Syndrome don't matter then...
@@billmartins5545 and even then they went through ages of therapy before transitioning.
Now, being trans is something to be celebrated
Great interview. The thing I love most about Helen Joyce is that every time I watch her, I learn something new every single time, or I understand something I knew a bit better. She has such integrity and she is so clear in her message. Always interesting to watch and listen. Couldn't rate her any more highly.
She's wrong, watch "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16" and you'll learn why.
@@blzebub2 'trans' people aren't different than anyone else biologically in a way That's statistically significant. Stop spewing junk science.
@@relaxingsounds1386 It's biology, no junk science.
She is a proponent of eugenics and genocide
@@relaxingsounds1386 You can’t reason with these people - they have joined a cult.
I’m encouraged when I hear fearless, educated people like her standing up against this nonsense. It provides not just the courage, but the words, to combat it in our own lives.
Helen is a warrior, thank you for giving her an opportunity to speak on behalf of all adult human females
Helen is a star as always. Her calm level-headed analysis and way of stating facts is always appreciated in the reality-based crowd.
@Trinity, Rockschool, RGT GUITAR list them and provide scientific backup.
She's 💯 correct - Dick will never be Jane😉
@@juana7035 Check out "Science Proves There are More than Two Human Sexes" on TH-cam, also "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16" again on TH-cam.
Helen Joyce is plain ignorant and wrong.
@@blzebub2 junk science, groomer
@@relaxingsounds1386 Groomer? Wow!
@@blzebub2 yep. What's the problem?
Helen is excellent! We are lucky to have her speaking out on this important issue: not just for gay and lesbian youths, but society as a whole
Amen to her for saying that men are not women. How basic knowledge is up for debate is beyond me.
Watch "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16"
@@blzebub2 ok groomer
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
You're also confusing gender for sex.
@@blzebub2 trans men are women.
Wonderful woman. Shameful that the BBC does not give her the platform she deserves.
OMG, thank you Helen Joyce and Winston. This is so appallingly sad.
“A misplaced kindness” that went rogue and became institutionalized in universities. From there, through equal parts bullying and fear of being tarred as transphobic, our language, our good sense and our science were disrupted. Thank god for the Helens of the world.
Helen makes me wish I'd carried on with my education. Phenomenal ❤
It's never too late! Get back into formal education or take classes or study topics of interest by yourself. Lifelong learning is where it's at. It doesn't matter what your age is or how long ago you stopped your education. Go get educated :).
Although these days you have to be careful that the institution at which you are to study is not so left-wing woke and trans affirming as to exclude all other opinions.
@@blzebub2 ok groomer
@@relaxingsounds1386 Did you watch it?
Thank you to Helen for speaking from, and re-establishing, a sane perspective - one which, until recently, was the agreed upon norms we all operated from. I am more and more concerned with this trend toward embracing and normalizing all of these myriad manifestations of gender identity issues. The most troubling is this rapid normalizing of hormone treatments and gender reassignment surgery on children and teens! For chrissske, how did this happen so quickly??!! Thankfully, more and more de-trans stories are being shared on social media and various platforms, to add more balance to this now grossly distorted and convoluted debate! This ‘gender scale’ thing is just mind boggling and, in my view, a newly adopted altered reality.
Thanks for this intelligent, very informative and extremely important discussion. 🌟💞
In Scotland it happened because of sex education in schools from a very young age. Nothing was banned Porn, masturbation, anal sex using visual of jar or nutella and a banana, Drag artists reading stories to 5 year olds. the list goes on and on. There are videos on Utube by the Scottish Family party and an ex teacher by the name of Richard Lucas.hoping to educate parents as to how their children's minds are being manipulated. These videos are still live because they are telling the truth but because they get little or no publicity have been viewed by few. SNP voters are totally brainwashed and other parents have no knowledge of what their children are being taught compared when they were at school. I spent some time at a charity table along with two children. One identified as a girl and was sister to the boy who had been born as a girl. The girl was larger and over confident. The boy was slender and and very disturbed. What had happened the sister told me was when the boy (born female) was two the family knew he should have been a boy and mother started dressing her in boys clothes.and he went to school as a boy. He was about 12/13 at the time I met him and cried for most of the day. I should have said earlier they were twins. The girl was in charge and from what she said I felt she was important at school because of her trans sibling. She suggested he needed to get puberty blockers soon. I am haunted by this as I have no way of knowing the outcome. I just think what a tomboy I was preferring to play with the boys, running around the parks, climbing trees and not interested in girly clothes until about 14. Thankfully none of this trans nonsense was around. Biology was taught in school but none of adult sex activity and my parents never questioned that I was not a girl. Nature took it's course and I took a healthy interest in boys.
@@pathughes8902 😳 Really? I'm in the U.S. so I didn't realize there was this much 'craziness' being embraced in Scotland -- and apparently many other places in Europe -- around this issue. Thanks for spelling all that out. It is these stories that, we can all hope, will accumulate to shift the balance back in the right direction. I have always been very liberal-minded. But, this s**t is truly off-the-deep-end, cognitive dissonant, insanity. Heaven help us. 🙏🌟
does make one wonder, who is really behind this agenda .. ? I think it has a more sinister background ..
@@wandajean5186 You really like people mutilating themselves so they can never experience orgasm, don't you? A bit sadistic, that, a bit on the mean side, methinks.
Everyone interested in "trans-gender ideology" should listen to Helen Joyce. She is the voice of sanity.
Helen Joyce makes a lot of sense. Has she debated with any trans activists? I can't imagine they'd manage to get the upper hand
She was supposed to debate Grace Lavery, and Lavery pulled out. I believe there was going to be another one just recently with Katy Montgomerie but there were concerns from the venue re: security, and it was canceled.
She's attempted to debate them but they keep backing out.
Every single one of them knows she would destroy their ideology which is why we will never see any of them debate Joyce. She has not only intelligence but truth on her side.
@@doandroidsdream1748 She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice? Her own ideology would be destroyed by bringing up the fact that she wants anti abortion activists to self censor.
@@doandroidsdream1748 And no, she's not intelligent. She's a run of the mill feminist aka more educated than intelligent. Look up her article about Rupert Grint. She accused him of thinking women are "un-fuckable" just because he mildly disagreed with JK Rowling. She is a nutcase radfem.
I’ve happened into a horrible bathroom moment in a bar that was set up like this. Men and women together. It was so unsafe. Women absolutely retreat to the bathroom for safety.
So bring a friend with you. That's normal animal behavior to watch out for one another.
@@Raven_Fable What a ridiculous thing to say, as if were always traveling in pairs.
@@Raven_Fable Disgusting misogynist🤮
Born of a 'misplaced kindness'.
Sums it up Helen.
Think that's why so many reasonable, decent people are becoming exasperated with this.
They don't 'hate' anyone. They don't wish to discriminate against anyone. They certainly don't want to make anyone's lives uncomfortable or miserable in any way.
They just don't want to be forced to believe what they know to be a lie.
Made to feel like they're bad people for not playing along and know, even if it's on a subconscious level, that if they submit to this lie it could lead us ALL to far, far darker places.
Interesting description. Hope all the normies, who never fully believed in this to begin with, start to speak up! We really need you guys. And maybe a HUGE part of winning this battle is actually about waking up the normies. Who don't actually believe in gender ideology, but also don't get what the big deal is, because they haven't researched this issue in depth. But if they DID get why it's a big deal..? Very likely, they would care.
Been a strangely beautiful experience, that I did not except, coming out as gender critical to my sister, and opening up to her about my real views on this stuff. I was so scared that she was going to think I was just the WORST person ever! As she's liberal and progressive, etc. But it turns out, she never fully bought into gender ideology. But also didn't think she could voice those doubts, and that she had to go along with the party line to "be nice". And for all the years when I was a brainwashed TRA, she thought she could not tell me ANY of this, because I would dismiss her as an awful person! LOL.. and then I peaked like crazy. But I was scared to tell HER that, because I feared she would think was an awful person! Oh, the irony.. :P But yeah.. Then I finally ended up telling her ANYWAY! And basically gave her permission, and lots of arguments, for why she does NOT have to support this! And she was like: "then I totally don't support it EITHER! 100% with you ALL the way, sis!" And she's now doing research of her own, reading articles that I've been linking her too, etc. It's freaking beautiful!! Plus not only has she been terfing out more and more over the last few weeks, but I figured out today that she's been talking to her, (also straight normie), partner about it too! Which made my supposedly ice-cold heart grow at least five sizes! :P
So yeah.. Maybe all the naturally GC leaning, but somewhat scared, normies, just need to get permission to actually question and reject this stuff? From people that have researched it in depth, and get what's actually at stake here? I feel SO much more optimistic about sharing my views with normies now! Although I still worry about hardline TRAs and SJWs. BUT..? I suppose we don't really need to change their minds. Just as long as we get through to enough of the normies to become a VOCAL majority. Which.. I totally think we can do that, now! Hope this story inspires someone.
"They don't 'hate' anyone. They don't wish to discriminate against anyone. They certainly don't want to make anyone's lives uncomfortable or miserable in any way." --EXACTLY. And yet the instant women or anyone on the left who has previously been incredibly sympathetic, now raises any kind of doubt or concern whatsoever, you instantly get called a bigot and a right-wing conservative, which has been a hilarious experience for me, a lifelong lefty feminist who supports LGB people.
Getting that from other leftists because I don't want males in women's pri /zons, or I don't like what's being done to kids, or I don't want males competing in women's z portz, has made me stand back from the left and see them in a whole new light.
It's not just misplaced kindness. It's also a play for power.
@@InterstellarDreams The problem with reaching normies is that so much trans stuff is so utterly unbelievable. People think things like "but nobody is stupid enough to put rapists in women's prisons" and "nobody really thinks lesbians are bigots if they don't fuck men." I think when the majority of people actually see what's being done, they'll react. Our difficulty is in convincing them to look closely enough.
Except kindness doesnt seem to be a force for change for anything else
It's a great book, and people like Helen Joyce and others who are standing up for the rights of women and children, despite all the attempts to pressurise them into silence, are sure to get medals when society eventually wakes up and realises they have been hoodwinked and gaslighted. Great interview too!
Sharing rights doesn't take away your rights. Who takes away your rights are all the right wing ideology hacks who sold all women out. Yay, way to protect women by siding with the giant book of misogyny. Maybe u can wear a berka soon ?
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
If you're anti trans, why do you expect them to react well to you?
@@wandajean5186 Nahhh, mate. Helen is concerned with the sterilisation of gay kids, the encouragement of body dysmorphia and the effects on vulnerable teenagers and autistic people, and the erosion of women's rights. She doesn't care about blokes pretending to be women as long as they stay out of women-only spaces.
@@llengsuch3426 No, she openly stated she wants to 'reduce' people transitioning, no specifying of children. Who are you to decide whether or not adults can have a cosmetic procedure or to assume they're autistic? You obviously don't believe in my body my choice, except for mutilating unborn babies.
Great conversation. Thank-you!
Hope this madness stops soon!
It won't unless we educate our neighbours and parents become totally aware how there children are being programmed in their school.
Winston is simply one of the best interviewers out there! Thoughtful, intelligent and informed questions, and capable of letting his guests speak for themselves. Bravo.
Excellent interview, thank you. The most important question is how can we stop this madness before our civil society is destroyed by these deluded ideologues.
Thank you for this wonderful interview. Helen Joyce makes the world seem so much more understandable.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
Thanks for speaking up Helen. Your voice will help speed up the "transition" back to reality.
Helen is brilliant, intelligent and very brave! People should be better educated on that subject.
I highly recommend her book “Trans” as it really opened my eyes to the horror of what is happening.
Absolutely Brilliant. I understand this issue so much more now
✨🙏🏽✨
Really? You might like to ask some nazis to tell you the truth about Jews too
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
Read her book too - it’s excellent and helps to explain how and why this cult has gained so much traction. A VERY good book.
Top Interview Winston. Thank you Helen for your research and well structured arguments. I shall certainly read your new book.
We, "affirm" the subjective feelings of those who feel they are Trans,
but not Anorexics who feel they're overweight,
or BIDs who feel they've too many functioning body parts
Subjective feeling regarding the self - can be wrong.
The human brain can be delusional about reality, and in oddly specific ways.
So, in other words you want to be petty and provoke trans people for the sake of it. Do you think it;s okay to tell women they paid to have their unborn babies mutilated by having an abortion? That's reality after all. Yet, I guarantee you Helen wouldn't be okay with that.
If a transwoman is a woman, why the need for the 'trans' prefix?
I'll give you one point further: if they're women why then the need for a prescription of estrogen? Their bodies should take care of that. Intellectually Dishonest Ideologues would counter, "Women(cis) with endocrine dysfunction who need Estrogen Prescriptions are still women!" But completely ignore the fact that dysfunction itself is not the baseline for normal bodily function. In the case of "Transwoman," it's not a matter of endocrine dysfunction thereby necessitating a supplementation of exogenous estrogen, it's a complete absence of bodily processes present in female anatomy itself they're hoping to emulate through hormonal recalibration. The willing denial of reality & blatant Intellectual Dishonesty is why I'm so presently frustrated with the whole concept. At least in the case of Trans people who acknowledge the physical reality of their Sexed bodies- both the very essence & definition itself of what it is to be "Trans"- I have a lot more patience & compassion for because at least they're not partaking in this greater cultural assault against objective reality itself.
Thank you to Helen for saying exactly what so many women think, and to the Spectator for not screaming “transphobe” and allowing her to say it.
Helen Joyce is an incredibly impressive woman. Fantastic interview.
Fantastic that you continue to champion the contrary perspective, despite huge pressure not to. That's why it matters. Thank you Spectator TV, cheers to the Critical Thinkers! 🍻
Man, I just love how he reinvented himself. Such a charming, smart and inquisitive interviewer...
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@@UTGARDER Geroyam Slava! and thank you for your support!
Thank you both ...an hour of pure sanity in this crazy world!!!
The details about Mermaids, Breslow, etc, are absolutely chilling, and yet somehow unsurprising.
Let's have some sense here. I've been trans for 50+ years, and now I am Detransitioning. That is my qualification for saying what I'm saying. There is no such thing as trans. If you think you're trans, you need psychological help. Men are men and women are women. Nobody can change over. If you believe you can then you are delusional and need psychological help.
What we have here is a case of mass neurosis and hysteria. I decided to go trans, male to female, about 50 years ago.I am 70 now and I am transitioning back and although it’s been difficult I feel a sense of freedom from trying to become something that I could never be.
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
@@wandajean5186 she wants to stop the psychic contagion. I always say you trans "allies" don't care about anyone other than yourselves
@@wandajean5186 Boy are you late to the party. Abortion bans, vaccine mandates, for starters. There's no choice. It's whatever the law of the land is where you live. You'll have to find a continent that suits your beliefs. Everyone will. Your not even allowed to live off the grid in many states now, it's illegal. That's just the way it is.
@@wandajean5186o. She just doesn’t want men in our spaces. You cannot change sex. If you think you can, then you’re delusional.
@mollycutpurse. You should start a TH-cam channel and say these things. Trans is the ultimate of ego in a way. Life is about acceptance. Trans people can't even accept their sex. Many of the young trans today, are really autists. And you see that so clearly in how angry they are, shouting, behaving like little kids. And they are totally unable to see anything from other angels. There are only men and women. But the variations inside both sexes are very great. It's strange how women's and heterosexual' liberation has degenerated into this.
Very articulate. Nice to see such a well reasoned explanation.
N'yawęh Dr. Joyce. Thank you for fighting the good fight. You have a gift for discussing science in a way that makes difficult topics understandable to those of us who are not well versed in science yet want to understand more about this complex issue. You are a brilliant l & brave lady.
Thank heaven for this WOMAN!! Science rules not mental disturbances. Trans needs intense therapy & intense reality!
Love Helen Joyce. An intelligence and sobering voice in this discussion.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
I’m currently reading her book TRANS - can’t recommend it enough. She explains how we got to this state of affairs.
what a fantastic analogy with the maths equations, and the lying numbers causing house of cards to collapse. Its a really brilliant description, sums it up perfectly!
We all need the courage that Helen has. Speak up
I’ve watched every single Helen Joyce interview that’s available, and she somehow finds a way to bring fresh insight to each one. I think her background in mathematics actually makes her the perfect person to speak on this issue because she brings incisive reasoning to a topic that’s been able to evade scrutiny for so long by using language designed to obfuscate and by riding the wave of goodwill created by the gay rights movement. She strips the ideology down to its bare bones, forcing you to see the absurdity of it all. Her book was fantastic.
Her background in maths is a huge disadvantage, because she's ignorant of the biological facts. Watch "Biology Of Trans People | The Atheist Experience 26.16" for a good precis.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
People are in fact not numbers.
See a transphobe- see a homophobe
Brilliant isn’t she? Helen was recommended to me by a colleague and I’m currently reading her book. Can’t recommend it enough.
A fantastic conversation, thank you! ♥
I love that her son recorded the book.
I love this woman so much. Loved her book but watching her speak is even better.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
@@wandajean5186 Troll
Fabulous interview, thank you to both and esp to Helen for having the courage to say what we all know is true.
Wonderful to hear intelligent people talk about a difficult issue. Interesting that a person with a Math PhD has more clarity than any of the Gender Studies graduates, which are all activists.
Helen Joyce is also an activist, if she wasn't she wouldn't have written her book.
@@Kelsea-im8ob She is an intelligent activist. She defends her position as a woman from men invading their spaces. Having problems accepting their body does not mean they are from the other gender. Gender is dependant on biological sex and not something you choose depending on how you feel that way.
She should have stuck to Maths.
@@SuperKripke The problem is that there are no intelligent people in the Gender Studies area.
Remember, STEM rules but not because I say it but because of results. We would not be having this chat online if it wasn't for the bright people in STEM.
@@SuperKripke Your answer, "She should have stuck to Maths." reveals that you are bothered by her arguments and you feel helpless so all you can say is "go away!" No arguments available, just a desire top live in your little fantasy
Helen Joyce's book 'Trans' is required reading.
Absolutely fascinating and extremely clearly argued and discussed ❤
I could listen to Helen Joyce at any time. Helps to talk about this topic with others after listening to Helen.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
@Wanda Jean I think she's actually anti abortion- or atleast is flexible about it to keep matt Walsh and such on side
Exceptional. Love her mind...♨️
When Helen speaks, I listen and learn
I think because Helen Joyce doesn't work in a creative field (like Birdy Rose and JK Rowling) and her academic field is mathematics (not sociology etc) she was less dependent on the woke left for employment. The people most vulnerable to cancellation are those in creative fields (think of Gillian Philip who actually had to retrain as a HGTV driver because the trans activists got her dropped by her publisher), or academia....
Though, she’s been a journalist at the Economist for years, not academia.
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
You realize it's conservatives who force people into poverty right?
@@wandajean5186 can you understand the difference between poverty caused by an inability to keep up with excess demands of capitalism and poverty caused by losing your job because you're not too cowed by men to tell them that they remain men even if they put on a frock?
Helen Joyce is a titan and to her detractors' chagrin she not only carries receipts but has them memorized.
Helen Joyce is brilliant, so thanks very much indeed for this one, Winston.
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Cannot say how much I appreciate this discussion. It's such a pity the people who really need to hear this message does not even take the time to click on channels like these let alone to subscribe.
As someone who appreciates a person that can speak clearly and succinctly and get to the meat of the issue I really appreciate her. She's so good in interviews, no waffle, articulates her thoughts so precisely whilst still being engaging.
The young guy was an excellent interviewer too.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
@@wandajean5186 I'd like to see no gender transition for adults on the NHS.
@@littleboots9800 People are (thankfully) now blowing the whistle on what has go on in these clinics. Nothing short of child abuse.
That was the total treat, I didnt expected. Thanks a million.
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
Are you pro life?
@@zeldagoblin thats a term, I dont know. If Pro life means against abortion? Or Pro life for real?
Im Pro humans, taking their own decisions, about their own bodies.
Pro womens Rights as a value, not a competition to become as men. And caring for everybody, is also caring to shape a society to include all.
Nurturing natur, is nurturing all.
We still need a nuanced debate, about all the trans issues, not to be mean on individuals, but to lift it up above.. as a value.
Therefore I listen to ALL views, With respect for diversity. But Full right the the individual, but i have a problem With trans-kids/youth beeing given Medicine, that make Biology irreversible damage..
@@wandajean5186 are you under 18?
@@MaudMargretheRex Sorry, Maud. I was asking Wanda. She's driving me nuts with her spam comments. Her aggressive stance with "my body, my choice" made me challenge that. Sorry if it didn't show, I thought I'd clicked reply on her. I liked your reply, though, very reasonable. Thanks for taking the time.
Helen Joyce is utterly brilliant.
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
Her book TRANS is excellent. I recommend it
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She is articulate fair and so well-informed. Everyone should head this!
Wow, the truth!
You don’t hear it very often anymore.
Why do people want to identify as a "social construct"? If that's what "gender" is, how can they simultaneously say that their gender identity is "deeply held" but also a social construct?
Just one of the many, MANY self-contradictions in gender ideology. I keep saying I wish someone would catalogue them all. Would be an amusing read.
Plus it changes hour by hour.... Let's hope we can keep up with the pronoun changes.
Exactly. It's nonsense
Maybe they mean that gender stereotypes are a social construct?
They deny biological reality. It’s flat Earth stuff. Anti science
I have a granddaughter who had always been a bit theatrical since tiny , knew at a very young age that mummy and daddy could be subjected to emotional pressure to let her have her way , two years ago she had my daughter and her father except her gender fluidity and none binary statues , telling them she had a girlfriend , at age 13. I then looked into the issue to get fully informed , decided this issue was a threat to my granddaughters mental stability and normal development into adulthood , she started other emotional situations that upset both parents, finally I stepped in with parental consent . Did what my father (born in 1902) would have done with his off the rails teenagers . Having established a long and insightful challenging conversation with my granddaughter, I ended the conversation by telling her that I was head of the family and as such all privileges would be removed until she stopped this nonsense , if she continued she would be removed from school and home schooled by me . She was told until adulthood at 18 when free to choose her path she would confirm to the norm , that as adults none of us had a problem if she proved to be a lesbian as a adult or bisexual it would be her life choice , but right now this jumble of gender nonsense will stop.
Result it has stopped ………she is now doing great , the emotional challenging has stopped at home. I firmly believe given the conversations I had with my granddaughter that the heads of schools must take responsibility for the spread of this dreadful brainwashing within its walls !
Schools are all about 'affirmation' and supporting 'social transition'. Let's hope that they are held accountable for indoctrinating kids one day...
Good job protect your family!
This is very illuminating
That poor child. I hope she sends her therapy bills to you, if your even living...
@@src3360 What these confused kids need is the kind of loving boundaries this grandma provided. If she needs therapy later in life for whatever reason, good for her, but at least she won't be suffering from gender mutilation or sterilization as a result of the TREND of gender propaganda which is being force fed to our youth through the efforts of groomers and perverts in our schools.
The point she makes about if you, if you'd meet a man or woman of color who did not feel comfortable in their bodies, would you ask them: "Maybe you're actually white inside?" That's how absurd and dangerous this is. I hope I'm not paraphrasing her incorrectly, but that's a perspective I'm taking away from this. Come over to our wonderful transwhite community. Get Out is an interesting movie btw...
"...lost her job for saying 'Sex is real' at a Think Tank..." - sounds more like a "Feel Tank" to me.
I came to this video having read about the recent row at Caius College
Cambridge over a lecturer inviting this lady Helen Joyce to speak there, and various other academics condemning the invitation and trans activists trying to prevent it taking place. I knew nothing about her so searched on TH-cam to find a video of her speaking.
She seems so reasonable I am staggered that anyone could object to giving those students who wished the opportunity to hear what she had to say.
She thinks anyone who disagrees with her is sexist.
I came to Helen through a colleague’s recommendation. And I’m currently reading her book. Needless to say - it’s excellent- just like the lady herself!!!
It is not a misplaced kindness. It is a thrust towards evil and hatred of women.
Happy to know there are some sane people left.
"People who disagree with me are insane" So is Helen sensible for calling anyone who disagrees with her sexist?
@@wandajean5186 Not exactly drumming up much support are you? Do you work for big pharma or for one of these unethical clinics?
Thank you for another interesting and thoughtful episode Winston
Brave and Amzing lady. Lovely to see Sean hear an Irish voice speaking about this topic 🇮🇪 Her book is on our bookshelf here and one of the best my partner has ever read 👏🏻
Excellent interview. I learned a lot. Thank you.
We live in a time where we can not define what a women is and yet we know how to use it in a sentence. Lets think about that for a moment. 🤔
You can know what a woman is and not be an asshole to trans people. She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice? Imagine if you said the same about abortion, She'd have a tantrum.
@@wandajean5186 I'm perfectly fine with Trans people. I don't understand it but I don't understand why people like Yellow Trucks either but people should be allowed to have a yellow truck if you catch my drift. On the other hand I am extremely against kids and teens transitioning. Also not having clear and concise definitions will confuse a society. We can not develope a society where we have 90 genders either and the fact that the word Gender means the 'sex' of a person AND the 'feelings' of a person in a massive cluster-fuck.
Please read Helen’s book - TRANS. It is excellent
What a brave woman. A lucid thinker and clear speaker. Hats off to Helen 👏👏👏
Trans is an excellent book. Helen is clear, direct, articulate and honest. This is precisely why some won't like it. It speaks truth.
Try speaking the truth and reality about abortion being killing and mutilation in front of Helen. She won't like it ione bit and call you a sexist.
Fantastic interview. Thank you.
DNA can tell if a body is a woman or man because even our bones, hair ect are different.
Cruel and weird. Why are these adults stealing the childhoods of young people? I am a retired teacher, I could never have taught this ridiculous ideology to my students. Getting children to obsess on themselves and their ‘gender’ is ruining the experience of growing up naturally and normally and the journey along the way. To push an idea onto vulnerable young people is abuse. Why isn’t this being stopped now, the figures of ‘trans’ girls to boys in particular are alarming . Utter madness.
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
It is abuse. Thankfully people who work in these gender transition clinics are now blowing the whistle.
If you haven't watched it, you really must watch Susie Green's TED talk. The homophobia of her husband is palpable. He threw away all his son's toys because they were "too girly." Of course the poor kid agreed to being a girl! It was the only way he could get his toys back. 😞 She's absolutely vile.
Lock them up for child abuse 🤮
@@Kelsea-im8ob They = the toys.
Sad
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
@@wandajean5186 Do what you want to your own body. Just don't expect society to buy into your delusion. The rest of us have a right to recognise sex as real and important. Your cosmetic surgeries and exogenous hormone use don't change that.
Helen Joyce, Helen Pluckrose and Jordan Peterson are the most important voices in our society today. Good luck to Kathleen Stock and Amy Gallagher! ✌️
I'd add James Lindsay.
Indeed 👍
I love Helen, not just informative but always so charming and funny.
Wonderful people. Thank you ❤
I love all her common sense points! Why only "some" people have common sense is perplexing! A transwoman is a man! We live in a world that is unrecognizable from 20 years ago!
Helen is a joy to listen to!
And Winston is a joy to gaze at 👌🏽😊
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
Her book is great reading too.
Fascinating!! 'Virtual signalling' is such a great phrase. Living in Scotland it's a tough call (re: the Indie ref, which I support) but hard to reconcile adding my vote to the huge drift into the Realms of the Improbable.....Helen really ticks every box with her analysis and honesty. And as I sit knitting my flak jacket and preparing to defend my personal take on the subject, from the sad legion of Inexorables, I wonder whither next cometh another smoke and mirrors trend, when this tragic farce fades. As it will. And, afterthought, as an expat flung back by Brexit after 30 years abroad, nearly all the village cafés and bars only have one small WC......tant pis! No-one gives it a thought. It's really larger venues and workplaces which should maintain separation. Thank you, Winston - thoughtful interviewer, good questions.
The term is actually "VIRTUE SIGNALING", Mishi. Maybe you got an erroneous auto-word there.
Helen is a hypocrite. She said she wants to "reduce" how many adults transition. How is that any of her business? Replace the word transition with abortion, and she'd be having a hissy fit about "my body my choice".
@@wandajean5186 She wants to reduce the PROBLEMS that are created by transitioning people.
OK, forget WC's. How about swimming pool changing areas? Young boys and girls getting undressed. You get my point.
Imagine a father castrating his own son at 16? How much do you have to hate your child?
Trans-ing the gay away. This cult is homophobic. It’s what happens to gay boys in IRAN.
Some parents compete with their children and hate their kids for their youth. There is an intense jealousy present and Freud would say there were sexual undertones to it...competition for mates or taking the other parent's attention away from them...
So they are it as a chance to eliminate that competition. Its narcissistic and probably sociopathic too.
I think its perfectly fine to get rid of gendered language in situations where s3x doesnt matter. But in situations where it matters, it's absolutely ridiculous
She wants to ban adults from transitioning. What happened to my body my choice?
Extraordinary journalist, thanks a million, your voice speaks for all the silenced and infuriated feminists and women . Thanks 🙏
Very good, totally right, and I totally agree! But the issues are so scary and depressing, the direction in which we seem to be heading, especially with stupid Sturgeon in Scotland, giving away women's protections and rights. It's unbelievable.
Which 'rights'? Apparently mutilating unborn babies is a right. It's still evil.