I’m gonna say that depends on your bike set up. I have a Road Glide Special. Set cruise at 80 and go. When I go to Sturgis, I tend to go a bit faster than that. The fairing and klock werks windshield keep the wind off of me. I couldn’t run big miles like that on my previous road king. It just wasn’t set up right.
1.HYDRATION, water cupholder., 2. REST, NAP if NEEDED., 3. GRADUAL INCREASE MILES., 4. MAKE BIKE COMFORTABLE, Bars, Seat, etc. Change Parts as required., 5. MANTENENCE, do it 1-2 weeks before long ride, filters, oil, etc.,... preplan- gas stops, food, poi's, attractions, etc. Know your fellow riders & their abilities. . Thanx, good stuff
I've done seven or eight thousand + mile days. The big thing for me was stopping every 60 - 80 miles for four or five minutes. Get off the bike, walk around it, check it out, appreciate the scenery for a moment get back on and ride. For gas stops, same thing. They usually only take 5 minutes or so, up to 15 for munchies and a drink. Longer stops for a meal. You're fatigued at the end of the day but not wrung out. Also, start way early while you're fresh. End before dark. Being tied while riding at night is a recipe for disaster.
7k miles would be like riding from Jacksonville to Los Angeles and back on I-10. I’ve done that in cars multiple times. It takes 2.5-3 days of hard driving one way. I’m pretty sure the OP meant 7-8 days of 1k+ riding.
I'm glad someone else understands this concept. I hardly ever hear this logic. Same goes in a car. 90 minutes in a car, you pull over for 15, you can drive all day. Same with a bike, well sort of.
Good tips. Another aspect of comfort to consider is rear suspension. Rear suspension is all about comfort. Improved front suspension is more about improved handling than comfort. So if your looking to improve comfort with upgraded suspension, the rear is more important than the front.
Planning my first big ride this summer! Most I've done was 400 miles in a day and I'll be doing 595 miles from florida to virginia. Im adding comfort to my bike and getting some shorter long trips in beforehand. Thanks for the tips!
I suggest, spend $100 get a seat cushion. Mine is an Air Hauck. It surely take a lot out of a long hard ride. I'm 68.6 yrs now and it allows me yo still ride 6-700 a day.
Thank you. I realy appreciate your insights and those in the comments . As a fairly new rider intending to start doing some longer rides this summer, this information is very valuable to me. Stay safe out there. Cheers
Good advice. I have been riding since I was 8, am currently 65, and ride all year round here in TN. I have been a LDR for many years, but when I hit my 60s I decided anyone can say they are, but unless it's in the books...so, in my 60s decided to ride 3 approved, excepted, SS1000s, and am now a member of the IBA, to set an example to other riders that it can be done if you are prepared. Staying hydrated is a HUGE point, so is sleep. Y'all ride safe.
Let's add wearing gear including long sleeves...which would help with dehydration. Drinking a lot quickly doesn't work as well as small amounts over time.
@@HawkGTRider I am not a big preacher of ATGATT. When I am riding in triple digit heat, passing out from heat exhaustion is more likely than being in an accident, heat exhaustion could CAUSE the accident. However, a helmet is ALWAYS on my head when riding. Yes, drinking enough water over the entire ride is better than chugging down a bunch at one time only, but I figured that went without saying. Y'all ride safely.
Great video - like you said, I train for a long ride like I train for a marathon or track day - hydrate hard the night before, start early with some low-residue, high energy food like bananas, peanut butter, etc. Listen to your body regarding fatigue, and don't overdo caffeine or energy drinks!
I rode from Jacksonville, Florida to Austin Texas in a day. Best tip is to get hyrdated the night before. Just like you said, I started off only doing maybe 100 miles then worked my way up. Also wear protective clothing from the road and the environment. Don't overdress and overheat, and wear appropriate gear when it's cold.
I use to ride on well layed out trips with a group. Now I don't. Trips I take now are compass points: leave going north etc. I see what I see and enjoy my time with a 900 pound thumper between my legs.2017 Ultra Limited. Or my 2001 tricked out Softail,2003 Dyna Lowrider.Depends on my mood.
On your point about rest, laying down with the intention to sleep is more restful than taking a sitting break. You don't have to fall asleep, but laying down eyes closed will help more than otherwise for a rest break.
Fred, first time on your channel. I do the same thing. But I also plan in a coulpleextra stops because I'm getting old and sometimes it just comes on you need to walk the dog. So a tree here or there get extra water.i live in Alaska and it's 150 miles to town. So I have a 300 mile day plus running around in town.
We have a destination 884 miles away. The average rider is way past retirement. One dude 80, another 78, most middle seventies, I’m 68, and ride coordinator is not yet 60. Our plan is 615 mile first day, 200+ second day. Then nice backroads loops daily three days plus event, then covering 3-4 more statesip the Atlantic Coast. Two weeks later back near Chitown. 7 goldwings and one can-am spyder! Epic travel over two weeks out!! Wahoo!
An itinerary for any trip helps get my mind set. two lanes or interstate sets the mood/ throttle. Knowing I have midwest towns every 6 to 12 miles keeps me from getting over eager. But knowing I've interstates to relax on gets my inner Yoda getting in sinc with the force so to speak. Mountain roads and twistys make me plan extra time to enjoy the scenery. A long distance race is won long before the starting line. Now with a Lady in my life that just wants to sit on the back, my riding style is changing again. Having a smoke at a fuel stop and stretch her legs until she's acclimated to long days in the saddle. Being prepared for mid trip services, whether I do them or we stop at a shop needs to be researched and planned ahead for right along with the added weight pulling down my mileage. No matter how you plan your trips, being more thorough is being safer! You all are in my prayers Hoka Hey
I absolutely agree that it is way overlooked to do any maintenance a couple weeks ahead. That way if there are any problems you have time to do finish it up before the trip. One other thing I’ll say, is look at the gas stations long your route. Some areas don’t carry higher end gas. My bike doesn’t run well on anything lower than 91 octane.
My tip is every time you fill up,grab a micro fibre cloth and go over your ride by doing so you will notice things that come loose, nothing worse to be in the middle of nowhere and breaking down, because you never checked your ride 100 ks back
Good tips for any LD rider. I am the world’s worst at planning. I have never pre-planned food or gas stops....I need to get better, though I will never be as detailed as you are. Be safe, ride far.
We do around 500-600 miles a day max with good weather and good roads. Mostly out west going across south Dakota on I-80 where you can go 80 mph and there's nothing to see (except 100 Wall Drug signs!) so we beat feet and get out there in no time.
Hey two blue Fred do you prefer 2 lane or interstate riding better? It doesn’t matter to me but the wife would much rather travel the back roads, she says there is so much more to see an I do agree with her on that! Thanks an I really enjoy your videos!
I rode about 10,000 miles training to do a SaddleSore 1000...Im officially the only person in the world to do it on a mv Agusta 800 Dragster RR I got my certificate. seat time is more important than actual miles in training when your sitting on a brick seat...lol!...no wind screen either...
@@TwoBlueFRED I am thinking about taking a ride from Tucson Arizona to Chicago , so all good tips. I didn’t know there was a such thing as an Evel Knievel museum in Kansas …I’d have to stop in
Sorry if this is a stupid question and Appoligize if I'm waisting your time but I am permanently paralyzed in my Right leg but Have Loved Bikes since I remember anyways my Husband got our 1st Harley in boxes for $100 per month & In order for me to ride with him I would put a belt around my right ankle throw my leg around his waist and then hold onto my belt (leg,) with left hand We currently were able to get him a 2004 Harley electrical glide classic and after going thru chemo and ect just to be on the Harley with him. Is what gets me through my week and maintenance therapies but seems how. I am permanently in a wheelchair we are trying to figure out our best most affordable route to go as in being able to take my wheelchair with us and was curious on your opinion if you don't mind and once again Appoligize if I have cause any inconveniences and either Way Happy Day
Kudos to you and your husband. I admire both of you for your love of biking and wanting to enjoy it as much as you can. I own an 02 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide as well as a Honda GoldWing GL1800. Your Electra Glide can easily pull a small motorcycle trailer with rack mounts to strap down a folding wheel chair. There are decent used and new trailers available. That may be one option for you. But I agree with Fred, even better would be a trike and a trailer which would give you a better seating arrangement. But trikes are very expensive to own and maintain.
One guy had a trike made for him that an ramp was added on the back of his trike. He would roll up the ramp and fasten himself to an special device to lock himself in place, and was able to ride the motorcycle himself. I was wondering if the same type of trike like his in a way that u can wheelchair up the ramp and secure yourself ride behind the rider………🤔.
The lazyboy recliner position that locks you in one position on your tailbone is not conducive for long-distance riding. An upright position on a mostly flat seat allows forward and aft movement of your butt, and is way more comfortable.
My 2 pther pieces of advice, invest in a rider backrest (or have something else to lean back against) and have highway pegs (especially you guys with longer legs) and you'll be in a much more comfortable place.
I have a question, I see a lot of guys using their cellphone to follow GPS map. If you have a Harley installed radio, why not just use that to navigate? Thanks for your reply.
It doesn't deal with way points as well, maps are expensive to update and even then not nearly as updated as a garmin.. plus adding routes from software much easier on garmin. We use the HD Navi, but not as primary
@@TwoBlueFRED not true, I use waypoints on my Harley GTS headset and it works perfectly. I can make my route on the Harley Ride Planner on my laptop taking any and every side road I wish. This then automatically pops up on the HD app and with one click it's transferred direct to my bike. I NEVER use anything else and done several 1000+ mile days
I have ridden 500 miles or more in a day many time. But that is still too many miles to ride in a day even in a car. Pushing to get more miles needs to be a have to moment. I don't care how comfortable your bike is on a day ride, 500 will wear your ass out and it becomes a ride you will not enjoy. I know some out there try to be tough and ride more than 500 miles but they are not fooling anyone that rides. A good ride in one day is about 300 to 350 without fatigue. My longest day was in a car when my wife and I left central Vermont and pulled into our driveway in Irmo South Carolina. It was just over 1000 miles and 19 hours. We stopped for gas and coffee and snacks. Averaged about 52 mph. That was a long day. Longest day on motorcycle, Washington DC to Irmo SC. Little under 500 miles but in the hardest rain I have ever been in that lasted all day. Had to get home.
I cant wait to ride this summer, im retiring from the military and coming done to the states to visit y’all.
A tip I learned was watching my speed. Not because of the police but travelling at high speeds for a long time is kind of tiring.
Haha and expensive for fuel and maintenance
I’m gonna say that depends on your bike set up. I have a Road Glide Special. Set cruise at 80 and go. When I go to Sturgis, I tend to go a bit faster than that. The fairing and klock werks windshield keep the wind off of me. I couldn’t run big miles like that on my previous road king. It just wasn’t set up right.
1.HYDRATION, water cupholder., 2. REST, NAP if NEEDED., 3. GRADUAL INCREASE MILES., 4. MAKE BIKE COMFORTABLE, Bars, Seat, etc. Change Parts as required., 5. MANTENENCE, do it 1-2 weeks before long ride, filters, oil, etc.,... preplan- gas stops, food, poi's, attractions, etc. Know your fellow riders & their abilities. . Thanx, good stuff
I've done seven or eight thousand + mile days. The big thing for me was stopping every 60 - 80 miles for four or five minutes. Get off the bike, walk around it, check it out, appreciate the scenery for a moment get back on and ride. For gas stops, same thing. They usually only take 5 minutes or so, up to 15 for munchies and a drink. Longer stops for a meal. You're fatigued at the end of the day but not wrung out. Also, start way early while you're fresh. End before dark. Being tied while riding at night is a recipe for disaster.
Literally impossible. You have to go 291.6 mph for 24 hrs a day no stops for 7k miles a day
So, definitely not on a Harley...
@@mitchhodges9789 unless sarcasm im guessing he means he had done 1000 mile days 7 or 8 times
7k miles would be like riding from Jacksonville to Los Angeles and back on I-10. I’ve done that in cars multiple times. It takes 2.5-3 days of hard driving one way.
I’m pretty sure the OP meant 7-8 days of 1k+ riding.
I'm glad someone else understands this concept. I hardly ever hear this logic. Same goes in a car. 90 minutes in a car, you pull over for 15, you can drive all day. Same with a bike, well sort of.
Good tips. Another aspect of comfort to consider is rear suspension. Rear suspension is all about comfort. Improved front suspension is more about improved handling than comfort. So if your looking to improve comfort with upgraded suspension, the rear is more important than the front.
Planning my first big ride this summer! Most I've done was 400 miles in a day and I'll be doing 595 miles from florida to virginia. Im adding comfort to my bike and getting some shorter long trips in beforehand. Thanks for the tips!
Your welcome... thanks for watching
I suggest, spend $100 get a seat cushion. Mine is an Air Hauck. It surely take a lot out of a long hard ride. I'm 68.6 yrs now and it allows me yo still ride 6-700 a day.
Thank you.
I realy appreciate your insights and those in the comments .
As a fairly new rider intending to start doing some longer rides this summer, this information is very valuable to me.
Stay safe out there.
Cheers
Good advice. I have been riding since I was 8, am currently 65, and ride all year round here in TN. I have been a LDR for many years, but when I hit my 60s I decided anyone can say they are, but unless it's in the books...so, in my 60s decided to ride 3 approved, excepted, SS1000s, and am now a member of the IBA, to set an example to other riders that it can be done if you are prepared. Staying hydrated is a HUGE point, so is sleep. Y'all ride safe.
Let's add wearing gear including long sleeves...which would help with dehydration. Drinking a lot quickly doesn't work as well as small amounts over time.
@@HawkGTRider I am not a big preacher of ATGATT. When I am riding in triple digit heat, passing out from heat exhaustion is more likely than being in an accident, heat exhaustion could CAUSE the accident. However, a helmet is ALWAYS on my head when riding. Yes, drinking enough water over the entire ride is better than chugging down a bunch at one time only, but I figured that went without saying. Y'all ride safely.
WORTH CHECKING OUT
*** AIRHAWK SEAT CUSHIONS , THOSE LONG DISTANT RIDES ARE MORE COMFORTABLE .
Cool vest for 90 and up
Great video - like you said, I train for a long ride like I train for a marathon or track day - hydrate hard the night before, start early with some low-residue, high energy food like bananas, peanut butter, etc. Listen to your body regarding fatigue, and don't overdo caffeine or energy drinks!
What about protective clothing for any length of journey !
Great advice and really enjoyed the scenery. Thanks for sharing!
I rode from Jacksonville, Florida to Austin Texas in a day. Best tip is to get hyrdated the night before. Just like you said, I started off only doing maybe 100 miles then worked my way up. Also wear protective clothing from the road and the environment. Don't overdress and overheat, and wear appropriate gear when it's cold.
I use to ride on well layed out trips with a group. Now I don't. Trips I take now are compass points: leave going north etc. I see what I see and enjoy my time with a 900 pound thumper between my legs.2017 Ultra Limited. Or my 2001 tricked out Softail,2003 Dyna Lowrider.Depends on my mood.
On your point about rest, laying down with the intention to sleep is more restful than taking a sitting break. You don't have to fall asleep, but laying down eyes closed will help more than otherwise for a rest break.
You're 💯 correct.
I can ride my Goldwing and am more comfortable than in my car. Love that bike, two Ironbutts in the books.
Did a lot of 4500 miles trips usually ran 500 to 550 miles aday usually left 8 0clock in morning back in a motel 5 to 5 30 that afternoon
Good advice. Thank you.
Fred, first time on your channel. I do the same thing. But I also plan in a coulpleextra stops because I'm getting old and sometimes it just comes on you need to walk the dog. So a tree here or there get extra water.i live in Alaska and it's 150 miles to town. So I have a 300 mile day plus running around in town.
Thanks for the tips. The spreadsheet and Google Map are great ideas.
We have a destination 884 miles away. The average rider is way past retirement. One dude 80, another 78, most middle seventies, I’m 68, and ride coordinator is not yet 60. Our plan is 615 mile first day, 200+ second day. Then nice backroads loops daily three days plus event, then covering 3-4 more statesip the Atlantic Coast. Two weeks later back near Chitown. 7 goldwings and one can-am spyder! Epic travel over two weeks out!! Wahoo!
Sage and solid advice.
Great commentary, thanks
Great advice! I never outride my comfort zone. Good video!
Thanks for watching!
Getting rid of those old man beer bellys,and staying in good physical shape helps a lot.
An itinerary for any trip helps get my mind set. two lanes or interstate sets the mood/ throttle. Knowing I have midwest towns every 6 to 12 miles keeps me from getting over eager. But knowing I've interstates to relax on gets my inner Yoda getting in sinc with the force so to speak. Mountain roads and twistys make me plan extra time to enjoy the scenery.
A long distance race is won long before the starting line.
Now with a Lady in my life that just wants to sit on the back, my riding style is changing again. Having a smoke at a fuel stop and stretch her legs until she's acclimated to long days in the saddle. Being prepared for mid trip services, whether I do them or we stop at a shop needs to be researched and planned ahead for right along with the added weight pulling down my mileage.
No matter how you plan your trips, being more thorough is being safer!
You all are in my prayers
Hoka Hey
hoka hey brother
Thank you FRED!!!!!!!!!! Big ups!
I absolutely agree that it is way overlooked to do any maintenance a couple weeks ahead. That way if there are any problems you have time to do finish it up before the trip.
One other thing I’ll say, is look at the gas stations long your route. Some areas don’t carry higher end gas. My bike doesn’t run well on anything lower than 91 octane.
My tip is every time you fill up,grab a micro fibre cloth and go over your ride by doing so you will notice things that come loose, nothing worse to be in the middle of nowhere and breaking down, because you never checked your ride 100 ks back
Sage advice. Good video.
Good tips for any LD rider.
I am the world’s worst at planning. I have never pre-planned food or gas stops....I need to get better, though I will never be as detailed as you are.
Be safe, ride far.
whatever works for you BIll...... i like the planning aspect because i dont have to decide on which exit to take and if the next one will have fuel
Come along with us Bill and See how Blue does it. :)
Where did you buy the cup holder?
this is the one i have amzn.to/3anxqDH
@@TwoBlueFRED nice!
Hey brother, Can you share a link to this water bottle you were talking about.
We do around 500-600 miles a day max with good weather and good roads. Mostly out west going across south Dakota on I-80 where you can go 80 mph and there's nothing to see (except 100 Wall Drug signs!) so we beat feet and get out there in no time.
Highway pegs and stiff comfy seat are the most important things to me. Other than trying make sure my damn bike is up to challenge.
Hello, do you remember the name and height of the windshield your rock’n in this video?
2FD
ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret.
Thanks , I loved your Video , mostly now I ride solo , and gave up riding with the clubs , too much BS AND DRAMA AND SHOWOFFS ,
Hey two blue Fred do you prefer 2 lane or interstate riding better? It doesn’t matter to me but the wife would much rather travel the back roads, she says there is so much more to see an I do agree with her on that! Thanks an I really enjoy your videos!
Do you run stock shocks or aftermarket?
I rode about 10,000 miles training to do a SaddleSore 1000...Im officially the only person in the world to do it on a mv Agusta 800 Dragster RR I got my certificate. seat time is more important than actual miles in training when your sitting on a brick seat...lol!...no wind screen either...
Damn man! That’s an incredible feat of endurance… way cool!
@@jdsparks100 Thanks
What is this straw with the magnet to speak of?
I ride with a 32oz camel back with ice water. I stop every couple hours to refill and walk around then get back on and ride.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
@@TwoBlueFRED I am thinking about taking a ride from Tucson Arizona to Chicago , so all good tips.
I didn’t know there was a such thing as an Evel Knievel museum in Kansas …I’d have to stop in
@@yettielusive3370 it's a great stop... you won't be disappointed.
We deliver a lot of ingredients to Diamond. I know that place well.
Sorry if this is a stupid question and Appoligize if I'm waisting your time but I am permanently paralyzed in my Right leg but Have Loved Bikes since I remember anyways my Husband got our 1st Harley in boxes for $100 per month & In order for me to ride with him I would put a belt around my right ankle throw my leg around his waist and then hold onto my belt (leg,) with left hand
We currently were able to get him a 2004 Harley electrical glide classic and after going thru chemo and ect just to be on the Harley with him. Is what gets me through my week and maintenance therapies but seems how. I am permanently in a wheelchair we are trying to figure out our best most affordable route to go as in being able to take my wheelchair with us and was curious on your opinion if you don't mind and once again Appoligize if I have cause any inconveniences and either Way Happy Day
sorry, i've only seen it done on a trike...... maybe a sidecar ? I hope you find a solution
Kudos to you and your husband. I admire both of you for your love of biking and wanting to enjoy it as much as you can. I own an 02 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide as well as a Honda GoldWing GL1800. Your Electra Glide can easily pull a small motorcycle trailer with rack mounts to strap down a folding wheel chair. There are decent used and new trailers available. That may be one option for you. But I agree with Fred, even better would be a trike and a trailer which would give you a better seating arrangement. But trikes are very expensive to own and maintain.
A guy with the weasels took his son all over the US who was wheel chair bound. All the rallies, events, etc. he pulled him in a trailer for your bike…
One guy had a trike made for him that an ramp was added on the back of his trike. He would roll up the ramp and fasten himself to an special device to lock himself in place, and was able to ride the motorcycle himself. I was wondering if the same type of trike like his in a way that u can wheelchair up the ramp and secure yourself ride behind the rider………🤔.
You are a survivor keep setting goals
lol I have a honda Shadow ace and I call it the couch!
Did u liked ur ST1300?
50 wink stop does wonders on long hauls
I'll give you a long tip
The lazyboy recliner position that locks you in one position on your tailbone is not conducive for long-distance riding. An upright position on a mostly flat seat allows forward and aft movement of your butt, and is way more comfortable.
My 2 pther pieces of advice, invest in a rider backrest (or have something else to lean back against) and have highway pegs (especially you guys with longer legs) and you'll be in a much more comfortable place.
I have a question, I see a lot of guys using their cellphone to follow GPS map. If you have a Harley installed radio, why not just use that to navigate? Thanks for your reply.
It doesn't deal with way points as well, maps are expensive to update and even then not nearly as updated as a garmin.. plus adding routes from software much easier on garmin. We use the HD Navi, but not as primary
@@TwoBlueFRED Thank you! I have 2020 Electra Glide standard. No radio. So I was thinking of getting a Garmin. Thanks for the info.
@@TwoBlueFRED not true, I use waypoints on my Harley GTS headset and it works perfectly. I can make my route on the Harley Ride Planner on my laptop taking any and every side road I wish. This then automatically pops up on the HD app and with one click it's transferred direct to my bike. I NEVER use anything else and done several 1000+ mile days
My garmins have free map updates, easy to use. HD maps have failed me a couple of times,
"Biscuits and porn" 😂 almost spit out my coffee.
awesome place for a biscuit....not so much for porn
Line 8: Biscuits and Porn! Hahahaha! Is that like Legs and Eggs?
Be careful where you take a rest, fire ants are a bitch on a hot day!!
Here's a good tip keep both your hands on the handle bars
Why's that?
Tip #1
Be on a dependable machine (Sorry Harley)
Tip #2
NEVER deviate from tip #1
I have ridden 500 miles or more in a day many time. But that is still too many miles to ride in a day even in a car. Pushing to get more miles needs to be a have to moment. I don't care how comfortable your bike is on a day ride, 500 will wear your ass out and it becomes a ride you will not enjoy. I know some out there try to be tough and ride more than 500 miles but they are not fooling anyone that rides. A good ride in one day is about 300 to 350 without fatigue. My longest day was in a car when my wife and I left central Vermont and pulled into our driveway in Irmo South Carolina. It was just over 1000 miles and 19 hours. We stopped for gas and coffee and snacks. Averaged about 52 mph. That was a long day. Longest day on motorcycle, Washington DC to Irmo SC. Little under 500 miles but in the hardest rain I have ever been in that lasted all day. Had to get home.
🤣🤣 Biscuits
I’ve a tip for you wear some protection !
Don't OVER plan
45 minutes for biscuits and porn???
Hydration, I'm just going to use an IV bag...
Getting the bag above ur arm being the only problem
Buy a bike that's comfy. My Africa twin I can ride all day.
biscuits and porn??
My Tip..buy bottle water..local water is likely to give you diarrhea...
Honestly,could not even watch it.
Make you dangers to drink as you drive .
Why do you sound like a muffle voice from TV? While they interview an ex gang member or informant lol
Haha! That's funny! I was thinking the same thing when he started talking. I chalk it up to equipment quality
Here's my tip,,,, be a man
Are you kidding me? 32oz cup ON A MOTORCYCLE? Can’t you go 5 minutes without a drink?
Like I am going take a tip from a person that does not wear protective gear.
Check out Jimmy Barnes cover of this song
20 k for the bike, 12 bucks for the gloves
Great video
Don't OVER plan
Don't OVER plan