Battle of the Ports - Salamander / Life Force (沙羅曼蛇) Show

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    Known as Life Force in the US and Salamander everywhere else, Konami brought us something that quite a few thought was a follow up to Gradius. How wrong they were.
    Let's take a look at 11 versions of Salamander. Please not that PSP, PS2, Wii virtual Console and other emulated ports are not featured so please don't ask in the comment section.
    Time Code
    00:28 - Arcade
    02:16 - Android
    04:39 - Amstrad CPC
    05:46 - ZX Spectrum
    06:33 - MSX
    08:28 - Commodore 64
    09:53 - PC Engine
    10:55 - PlayStation
    11:56 - Sharp X68000
    13:15 - Famicom
    14:43 - Saturn
    15:58 - All versions side by side
    Enjoy!

ความคิดเห็น • 201

  • @thefurthestmanfromhome1148
    @thefurthestmanfromhome1148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    C64 Coder, Pete Baron, did have access to the coin op, but via a steel box with 2 motherboards and a terrible old CRT monitor, with perment screen burn 😂
    Conversion took best part of a year, Brain boss hardest to implement, with Pete having to write a custom sprite system to implement it and even after optimising it, it killed the frame rate from 50fps down to 25 fps.
    Time restrictions meant it lost 2 stages from the coin op.
    Pete said he needed an extra month to add them, the publisher wouldn't delay the game to allow them to be included.
    It was Pete's first Solo project and he thinks with more time, he could of brought the frame rate back upto 50 FPS.

    • @solarflare9078
      @solarflare9078 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even being rushed, the C64 port was excellent. Hope for a complete version sometime via homebrew

  • @Spookey1978
    @Spookey1978 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    For the limitations of the machine, the c64 version is awesome.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Agreed. It really is well done.

    • @cosmefulanito5933
      @cosmefulanito5933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But colors are washed out.

    • @playnochat
      @playnochat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well since c64 only have 16 colors palette, every game in the c64 have the same colors.

    • @sunnykhan5451
      @sunnykhan5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cosmefulanito5933 Actually no on my Sony Trinitron tv colors looked vivid.

    • @solarflare9078
      @solarflare9078 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cosmefulanito5933 So are the arcade's

  • @TheWingless
    @TheWingless 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Android version is actually breaking my heart. You'd think a mobile version would be a serious downgrade, but clearly the team is full of some heavy hitters. The art, the music, the backgrounds, the UI - so much talent and time went into this and I don't think we'll get a PC / console port ever unless it's a pachinko machine D:

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sometimes the smartphone version can surprise.

  • @SomeOrangeCat
    @SomeOrangeCat 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I know the NES port very well. Good old 8-bit era Konami. Between games like this, Super C and TMNT 2. They had us feeling very spoiled.

  • @SameNameDifferentGame
    @SameNameDifferentGame 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The differences between the NES and Famicom ports aren't because Konami was cheap, but because Nintendo manufactured all NES carts for NA, which meant Konami couldn't use the special chips they had when manufacturing their own Famicom carts. (See also: Castlevania III, Contra, etc.)

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fair enough but surely the could have twisted Nintendo's arm if they really wanted to. After all, both Japanese companies plus Nintendo didn't mind adding extra chips in Japan.
      Then again, it could have something to do with the iron grasp Nintendo had over companies in the West.

  • @beagsx3
    @beagsx3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I used to play this a lot at my local arcade. The butterflies you used to get when you heard, "An intruder has penetrated our forcefield," was epic!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's when you know a game has atmosphere 👍

  • @cartman414
    @cartman414 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Famicom. Hit the sweet spot between the other versions and the Gradius series. And the soundtrack was absolutely divine.

  • @221b
    @221b 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I loved the NES version of this game as a kid. It's a pity that there aren't more co-op shmups; the genre works great for that.

    • @Konuvis
      @Konuvis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, Darius Burst is so much fun because of that.

    • @deltatango-six7941
      @deltatango-six7941 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. My oldest daughter and I had a blast recenty playing Radiant Silvergun on my Saturn. I think Raiden V has a co-op multiplayer which is kind of recent.

  • @angelriverasantana7755
    @angelriverasantana7755 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kinda cool that the PCE version takes a cue from Compile's shooters with the adapting AI. Adds an extra challenge for the likes of experts.
    And damn! That C64 port is beautiful. It feels fan-made to some extent

  • @GlenLehane
    @GlenLehane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looking at this it's hard to believe this was done in 1986, it looks better than Taito and Capcom games from the same time. Konami knew their stuff

  • @yethboth7873
    @yethboth7873 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Have you ever seen the OVA 3 part anime of Salamander? The anime is pretty good. I remember all 3 parts did get a UK release on VHS in subtitle format with the original Japanese language back in the early 1990's. As for the game, I wonder why it never got ported to the Amiga and Atari ST considering that the 8-Bit home computer ports were released in the late 1980's. I'm sure it would have been good conversions on both systems.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep, I own those PAL tapes you mentioned. I think they were released by East to West.

    • @yethboth7873
      @yethboth7873 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      From what I remember, they were released by Western Connection which along with East 2 West, were a short lived UK company that did release some very good anime titles.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeth both ah, that's right. I think it was Western Connection who released an anime that seemed unfinished as in a lot of scenes we could see the bottom of the animation cells! Oh, man, what was that anime?

  • @chunkycjw
    @chunkycjw 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always liked the look of this game the backgrounds and sprite work were amazing for 1986 and had this nice style to them, but i was never any good at it.
    My mate had this on the C64 and was mightily impressive, in-fact i nearly bought a C64 on the strength of this game alone but eventually got the master system instead.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This really is impressive on the C64. Even more so when you see the chap on the Amstrad and ZX Spectrum.

  • @afriend9428
    @afriend9428 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *NES and PC Engine are my favorites and played till death!* ⭐️

  • @geromelobo5970
    @geromelobo5970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let's not forget to mention the upgraded one called Lifeforce a.k.a 2.0 of this game (Not the NA one, but a fresh update), with minor tweaks such as stereo sound, different design upon stages and bosses as well, and adopted Gradius powerup system to fit their theme as organic structure going stomach to brain as you progress. The devs like the NA name, but they want more bio-like update to its predecessor.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like a good update. I wasn't aware of that.

  • @RyuHayabusa06
    @RyuHayabusa06 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The NES port is the first I ever played. Konami was absolute gold on the NES.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I never actually played this on the NES back in the day but I can imagine I would have been mighty impressed if I had done.

    • @RyuHayabusa06
      @RyuHayabusa06 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Retro Core It was definitely among the best NES shooters, especially with two player simultaneous play. Contra, Super C, Castlevania I-III, Life Force, etc. You should give these NES Konami games a try when you can. These were among the best the NES had to offer. Capcom was right there with Konami as the best third party licensees for the NES. Lots of classics you should check out. Oh, and Ninja Gaiden I-II are must plays as well.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      RyuHayabusa06
      I'll pass on the Ninja Gaiden games as I don't want a joypad going through my TV screen :p

    • @RyuHayabusa06
      @RyuHayabusa06 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Retro Core They're not as bad as everyone says. I've beaten both I&II on one life. That's why my screen name is Ryu Hayabusa, the hero from the NG series, lol.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      RyuHayabusa06 I've aged the collection on the SNES but didn't get too far. I should go back and try them out.

  • @RedRanger2001
    @RedRanger2001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not only the revised Japanese version did a major scenery graphic overhaul, but it also has the third button (the power-up button) much like Gradius/Nemesis...

  • @goldgriffin100
    @goldgriffin100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really love the Nes version. Yeah it is not the best technically or graphically but is the the most fun to play imo. The music is really well done and will get into your head plus you can use the konami code to give your self a much needed help until you learn to play better.

  • @YuukoEnjoyer
    @YuukoEnjoyer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I screamed of joy when I saw you uploaded this. Big Salamander fan!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice! hope you enjoed the show. This has been a pretty popular request for the last few months now. Hope everyone who requested it is happy :)

    • @YuukoEnjoyer
      @YuukoEnjoyer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Retro Core yes, I really enjoyed it =) in fact, I enjoy all of the battle of the ports. =)

  • @Konuvis
    @Konuvis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even today the fire level still wows me when I see it.

  • @MaidenHell1977
    @MaidenHell1977 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow another great video. I will forever always love the NES version the most as it was the one I played most as a kid in the late 80s. I have since then acquired it for the PC Engine which I also thoroughly enjoy and have it for the PSP (Salamander Collection). Thanks for making this!!

  • @SomeOrangeCat
    @SomeOrangeCat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just gave the C64 version a go. Wowie! Admittedly I'm playing with cheats, but Its giving me a chance to see how outstanding the port is.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is good, isn't it!

    • @youtubeadmin1588
      @youtubeadmin1588 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Simply Sherbert wowie! It’s not Salamander/Life Force. It’s a bad imitation.

  • @rorydropkick
    @rorydropkick 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always. Also of note, Hamster Corp did a great port on the PS4 just recently that has all 3 versions, JP/US/UK that's worth picking up if you are a PS4 owner. Gradius and Gradius 2 are also out as well.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I know about that one but since it's all 100% emulation I didn't feature it on this video. There's also a PSP collection too but again it's just emulation of the PSX code.

  • @Charlie-Cat.
    @Charlie-Cat. 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done as always Yakumo.
    Love the Life Force games and all the ports for it. But the 2 that stood out for me was the PC-Engine and PlayStation versions.
    Both are my favorites. Thank you as always my good man. Keep up the great work.
    Anthony...

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out the Saturn version if you can. It's pretty much the same as the PlayStation but with slightly smoother slowdown emulation plus the Joypad is better :p Well, as long as you're not using that horrid western pad that came with early PAL and US Saturns.

    • @Charlie-Cat.
      @Charlie-Cat. 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds good to know Yakumo, I'll check it out.
      Anthony...

  • @CaptainRufus
    @CaptainRufus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm happy to have the PSP collection. Though PC Engine continues to show how folks outside of Japan got the shaft.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep. People who bought in to the US version of the PC Engine sure did get shafted. Really poor releases. Terrible exclusives such as Darkwin Duck and Tale Spin and the terrible box art.

  • @AllCoolThingsStoneMountain
    @AllCoolThingsStoneMountain ปีที่แล้ว

    When you commented about the North American NES version, you said that Konami went cheap, but Konami had nothing to do with it.
    The Japanese version had special chips that allowed limit breaking console play, and Nintendo of America was paranoid about addon chips. When Konami released it here, it was done sans extra chips and thus, extra goodies that the Japanese enjoyed.

  • @Worp3music
    @Worp3music 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In all your videos your MSX(-2) is on 50HZ... you must run the games on 60 HZ.. then you got the right speed for the japanese games and USA games at least. Then the gameplay is also a bit better ans also the music!

  • @SuperHighTechGamer
    @SuperHighTechGamer 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid! To add even more confusion with all the name changes, there was the 80's Sci-Fi movie called Lifeforce that came out about this time. (No relation at all) This was an advanced arcade game at the time especially with the digitized speech, horizontal and vertical scrolling stages all in one game. Konami had cool games.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, can't say I know of the Life Force movie. Time to do a bit of net searching.

  • @xtremer_daredevil5950
    @xtremer_daredevil5950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    X68K version is very slow when running in the stock 10MhZ speed, but when set to 16MhZ, the game runs very fast.
    If you want faster speed, set the game to 25MhZ mode. Unfortunately the 25MhZ mode (X68030) requires a patch to run on the 68030 because of clock incompatibilities of the 68030 processor. Still, it runs very fast and can be hard just like the PS/SS version with slowdowns turned off.

  • @theodorerelic2718
    @theodorerelic2718 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I played the NES version of Lifeforce a lot during the late 80s-early 90s, and still own my copy. Interestingly, the Saturn version (and I assume the PS1 version) of Konami MSX Antiques Collection had an MSX version of Salamander on it. When I played that one I don't recall seeing as much slowdown on the port .

  • @Octopuswithcorn
    @Octopuswithcorn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surpriseed you never mentioned the fact that the arcade version of Life Force was brought back to Japan and given different looking enemy sprites and backgrounds, and also going back to the Gradius Powerup system.
    Also what do you think of Salamander 2?

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, it was something I know about but constriction video is about the Salamander name I didn't mention it although looking back it may have been a good idea. Then again I'd actually forgotten that fact when putting the video together.

  • @YukiZero
    @YukiZero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was my absolute favorite game ever

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have to confess to being a fan as well.

  • @erikin2k7
    @erikin2k7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this video. Learning about Life force. Will check the salamander pack. The other versions I already played them. Agree with your opinions. The commodore 64 Is awesone.
    for some reason I recall playing it on NES until the end and today I just got blown on first stage. ,😅

  • @alecjahn
    @alecjahn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you had asked me how many ports of this game existed, I would have guessed... five, maybe six. Holy crap!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, there's quite a lot isn't there. There are also all those emulated compilation packs too.

  • @Lonnehart
    @Lonnehart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I played this a long time ago on the Famicom (the Famicom and tons of clones were here on Guam at that time). Those were the days... I'm sorely tempted to make a game inspired by this (due to owning Clickteam Fusion 2.5 which is game making software)...

  • @afriend9428
    @afriend9428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *PC Engine and NES (Famicom) are the best!* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

  • @lepterfirefall
    @lepterfirefall 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just built my arcade machine themed on salamander with a bezel and light up marquee. Love it.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a cool theme to use. Hope you have some cool fire dragons on it.

    • @lepterfirefall
      @lepterfirefall 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RetroCore unfortunately not. I built a bartop and I had to customise the bezel using off cuts from the full size marquee as full size bezels are too big. I had enough left to create a a starfield bezel. Looks cool. I've made it so I can slide new bezels in along with a replaceable marquee. I'm going to make a rastan, shinobi and rtype bezel/marquee set after the lockdown so I can mix it up.

  • @DanielAyy
    @DanielAyy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Picked up the PC engine version recently. One of the better shooters for the system and is well worth having

    • @ChristopherSobieniak
      @ChristopherSobieniak 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least it will be on the TurboGrafx-16 Mini (interesting the Japanese version won't have it according to the full list).
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16_Mini

  • @msolom9521
    @msolom9521 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think you wrong, take a look on the sega saturn version :
    salamander, life force n salamander 2 are 3 games ...
    Life Force is like a "gaiden", the power up system is a Gradius one, so we cannot say Life force is the US version of salamander

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't remember now but I think that's what actually happened. The game was altered for the US market.

  • @rafaellima83
    @rafaellima83 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Recently someone made a patch for the MSX version of Salamander that makes it run smoothly and adds a few other enhancements.
    In my humble opinion, this makes it *better* than the original arcade version. You should check it out at some point, it's really amazinh :)

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can imagine that being fantastic. If there was one thing that ruins MSX shooters, it's the scrolling.

    • @rafaellima83
      @rafaellima83 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When I only had an MSX this never bothered me, so I grew up used to it. Even when I play them today, it doesn't bother me. Usually the scrolling is choppy but the main gameplay runs smoothly.
      But MSX2 games usually have better scroll. Space Manbow is an *awesome* Konami shmup, exclusive for MSX , and it runs *really* smooth in an MSX2+.
      Check it out some day :)
      And also the Aleste games on the machine, all of them are awesome shoot'em ups.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rafael Lima
      I like the Aleste games. For the longest time I thought Power Strike on the Master System was like Super Aleste on the SFC. It wasn't until about 1992 did I find out Power Strike actually was called Aleste in Japan.

    • @rafaellima83
      @rafaellima83 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But Power Strike 2 was never released in Japan, strangely :)
      The original MSX version of Aleste IMO is far superior than the Master System port.
      And although Power Strike 2 on the SMS is an amazingly good game, Aleste 2 on MSX is just the best shmup Compile ever done up until Zanac Neo.
      Aleste 2 and Power Strike 2 aren't the same game. Power Strike/Aleste on the Master System is a port of the MSX games.. it looks better, but there is at least one level missing and some other inferior details.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are so many Master System games that were never released in Japan. The Master System bombed big time everywhere apart from Europe and Brazil.

  • @roudanskalamir9251
    @roudanskalamir9251 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was honestly hoping you would some day get around to this one. Good show.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now I have :) Quite a few people have been asking for this.

  • @mypkamax
    @mypkamax 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite version of the Stage 2 theme in this game is in the NES PAL version.

  • @gunma747j
    @gunma747j 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the msx version have rom patch which allows you to have smooth scrolling and voice set after you insert the second scc cartridge

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now that is cool. I'm guessing this patch is for use with the game on on the MSX 2 hardware.

  • @StevenCusic
    @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh this game also has an anime which try to make sense of what's going on

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I own both VHS tapes that were released in the UK. It was a pretty good anime from what I remember.

  • @fazares
    @fazares 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    u forgot about the sphinx head boss exclusive to the famicom port:P

  • @omagoretrogamer
    @omagoretrogamer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    a versão q mais joguei foi a de nitendinho. considero esse um jogo épico para nes. tem gameplay dele no meu canal.

  • @reagandow850
    @reagandow850 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this game!! I just loaded it onto my 3DS..unfortunately it’s the NES version.

  • @GalaxiaShadow
    @GalaxiaShadow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is the MSX version's audio slow? it shouldn't be that slow...

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe the MSX was set to pal mode?

  • @MVboys2
    @MVboys2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason why the Android Salamander was cancelled was because Konami's Shanghai studio, which developed the game, closed down.

  • @inphanta
    @inphanta 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was in the chippy next to my school along with the original Street Fighter. I was amazed when I saw the C64 version of Salamander, and it was a great one to bring up whenever the Spectrum kids started chatting shit! 😂

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, the speccy fans were always making out their system was the best. I had a "friend" who insisted his speccy version of Rainbow Islands was far superior to my Mega Drive release.
      Oh, and arcade games in the chippy, I remember those days 😊

  • @hybridplc
    @hybridplc 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The C64 and Famicom versions. Because of the hardware they're running on.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Especially the C64 port. I was mighty impressed by that.

    • @StevenCusic
      @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Retro Core I was also impressed by the c64 version

    • @gunma747j
      @gunma747j 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      but don't forget the msx

  • @Perkinson78
    @Perkinson78 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What x68000 emu are you using? I played on real and emu and not getting severe slowdown like on your vid.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know. Normally I use hi-speed

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, so the emulation was correct. This needs to played on a higher than stock speed.?

    • @Perkinson78
      @Perkinson78 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It looks like it ,some games dont work properly on experts and some if you run in 16mhz mode it will glitch like Dragon Spirit.

    • @gunma747j
      @gunma747j 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      the emulator name it win68k hi speed

  • @maurexretrovision
    @maurexretrovision ปีที่แล้ว

    The NES or Famicom version is very well ported. The only thing I don't like is the sound section, which could have been better. I mean, it sounds like the first Castlevania, since this game was released the same year as Contra, Gyruss, or Gradius 2 (1988). But hey, they wanted to lower costs.

  • @shalpp
    @shalpp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The PC Engine port would be a near perfect port if it didn't suffer from Konami's sound programmers absolutely shitting up the soundtrack compared to other platforms. Not that the soundtrack is bad by itself, but compared to what the MSX was able to do on weaker hardware, there's no reason it shouldn't have been equal to or better than it.

    • @redbaron9420
      @redbaron9420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If we were talking about Snatcher, I would have agree with you, but this is a video about Salamander and PC Engine version of it sounds excellent, albeit differently from the MSX port, thanks to stereo panning effects and better percussion.

  • @davidvfx
    @davidvfx 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    salamandra have relation with gradius?

  • @brycelynch2138
    @brycelynch2138 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I grew up playing the C64 version before I ever got the NES version, so by default that's my favorite. Never finished either port or the arcade version, though.

  • @lurkerrekrul
    @lurkerrekrul 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you using an emulator for the Android version? If so, what emulator do you use?

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes but I can't remember what it was called. It's on my emulation PC which I'm not using at the moment. Just Google Windows Android emulator. That's how I found it.

    • @lurkerrekrul
      @lurkerrekrul 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've looked at Android emulation before, but never did anything with it. It always seemed like it would be more complicated than most emulators.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      lurkerrekrul no, this is really easy. It's like a system withing Windows. Well, I guess it is really.

    • @lurkerrekrul
      @lurkerrekrul 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      What I mean is that Android is a whole other OS that I'm not familiar with.

    • @gunma747j
      @gunma747j 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Retro Core virtual box right?

  • @ncf1
    @ncf1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is one instance where a home port, in my opinion, plays even better than its arcade counterpart. I prefer the C64 to the arcade, and also in the case of Moon Patrol, I actually prefer the Apple II gameplay to the arcade. Arguably same with Choplifter.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      For Choplifter I have to go with the Master System port. That's so smooth. Quite challenge on later stages though.

  • @alessandroportocarvalho1091
    @alessandroportocarvalho1091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boa tarde! este Salamander tem como colocar apk aplicativos no mega meu amigo.

  • @eduardoalfonso9877
    @eduardoalfonso9877 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How looks the Amstrad CPC version?

  • @thedrunkmonkshow
    @thedrunkmonkshow 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If my memory serve's me I think I originally played Gradius on Nesticle for Dos as a teenager and not long after that I was looking through bargain bins at Electronics Boutique and I saw a cartridge called Life Force. I was about to toss it out the way but the spaceship artwork looked eerily similar like the Vic Viper. Deductions kicked in and I thought, "Is this a Gradius Sequel?" Compulsively dumped the game and my cash on the counter to make it mine and gleefully came home to fire it up. Needless to say....completely engrossed for months lol!! XD

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good buy. I love it when you find something then realise it's actually a cool item you're holding.

  • @MarcBarkyMarta
    @MarcBarkyMarta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So while the PS1 and Saturn ports are both pretty much arcade perfect, I think the PS1 version is actually the one that has the exact resolution. The arcade game is 256px wide, and that's probably the most common resolution for the PS1. The Saturn only goes as low as 320px wide in 240p AFAIK, so the game is boxed in with 32px of black space on each side. You might be right about the slowdown silulation though, but eh, I'll still take the PS1. Darius Gaiden on the other hand...

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Saturn version has two screen modes. Arcade and Saturn. Same on the Gradius collection and detane Twin Bee collection. So you can play with black boarders down the side or remove them in Saturn screen mode. Capcom fighters often have this option too.

    • @MarcBarkyMarta
      @MarcBarkyMarta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RetroCore Interesting! It looks like the Saturn mode extends the playing area to 320px wide. That's really cool actually. However - it still doesn't make what I said incorrect. :)

  • @SilentRealm6677
    @SilentRealm6677 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well lifeforce on msx it's a reskin of Gradius 2 but with updated graphics but parodius keeps original graphics

  • @esathegreat
    @esathegreat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Amstrad version scrolls too fast??

  • @StevenCusic
    @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd have to say that for me I'd have to go with the android port for visual/ audio and just smooth game play, but the arcade(mame with cpu over clock preferably) /saturn versions for the difficulty and game play which get harder each playthrough the 16th being awesomely insane hard and EVERYTHING SHOOTS AT YOU... ALOT, but still like the visual/audio. Some Japanese guy posted a video of round 16 on youtube for saturn if you want to see what in writing about. Japanese version of life force is my favorite revision.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, the android port is very good. Just a shame it was never released.
      I've never aged the Saturn version past the 3rd loop. 16 must be nuts.

    • @StevenCusic
      @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Retro Core if I'm not mistaken I believe the android version is a port of the nes version

  • @orderofmagnitude-TPATP
    @orderofmagnitude-TPATP 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive gotta say...are gradius and this linked? Obviously i know paradius is a er...parady...but this reminds me of gradius lots

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a way they are linked I guess.

  • @losalfajoresok
    @losalfajoresok 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have some problems with some videos that appear shaky. Also is funny that the X68000 version still has the "please deposit coin" text from the arcades.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shaky? I'm not sure I know ow what your u mean. Do you mean the scrolling on the MSX version?
      I think the insert coin text on the X68000 is there just for Arcade image. A lot of close to Arcade conversions did that.

    • @losalfajoresok
      @losalfajoresok 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      nevermind, is a stupid and useless feature of my video card that sometimes turns itself on.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lord Alfajor
      Oh, I see. Okay, no problem.

  • @maurexretrovision
    @maurexretrovision ปีที่แล้ว

    It is a pity that the Android remake has not been released. Looks great. Konami is only interested in pachinkos, since it only lives on reselling classic games.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, the talent has long since left Konami.

  • @marathi22
    @marathi22 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There was never a two player mode on the C64 version of Salamander.

  • @MrSegAsh
    @MrSegAsh 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Salamander is one of my favourite shooters. played it a lot in the arcade and still do, The PC Engine is my favourite home port. Defo harder than the arcade.

    • @gunma747j
      @gunma747j 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +MongolianCh0p only gradis ii lmao

  • @robertdanker6193
    @robertdanker6193 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    c64 version was very impressive !! love the NES game still to this day!

  • @Maru96
    @Maru96 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can disable slowdowns in both PS1/Saturn so the Saturn port isn't any more "fresh" than the PS1 port.
    I'd say the PS1 port is slightly better, mainly because the sound effects in the Saturn port are a bit off, also the score display is lower than it should (for accuracy's sake)

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you disable the slowdowns? There's no option in either the PlayStation or Saturn ports. Is there some sort of secret?

    • @Maru96
      @Maru96 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Retro Core
      In options you have to set the wait control to "off", same as Gradius II port.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marcel Weber
      I see. I wondered what that was about. Bit of a strange name for a slowdown option.

  • @Shundi12
    @Shundi12 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use to play the c64 version a lot when I was younger. I could never get past the first stage though. I still have the game cassette around somewhere.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Give it another try. It's not that hard really.

    • @Shundi12
      @Shundi12 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok, so I gave it a try on an emulator today and there is something about this game even 25 years on that I don't get on with. It took me 5 attempts to get to the boss. I beat it and then on the second level I lost my last life in seconds. Perhaps its horizontal shooters that I'm bad at, as I'm fine with Ikaruga etc but I'm not great at Border Down.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *****
      Ah, you see I'm great with Border Down but hate Ikaruga with a passion. Maybe you are much better at the tate shooters.

  • @HaroldsStuff
    @HaroldsStuff 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever done 'Vigilante' by Irem? That would be cool :)

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, show 23 - th-cam.com/video/X_tKYU7vODY/w-d-xo.html

    • @HaroldsStuff
      @HaroldsStuff 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, thanks m8

  • @fernandocollazo8705
    @fernandocollazo8705 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The msx version has awesome music, better than arcade one.

    • @Perkinson78
      @Perkinson78 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dat SCC chip

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think so too. It's reall good. Better than the Famicom.

  • @0morgulis
    @0morgulis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    After seeing the c64 port of this, with sound and music simultaneously, I really question the c64 games that made you choose between the two. The c64 could clearly do both. There's plenty of other games that do, but this one does them both really well.
    It might have been unclear as to how in the early days of the c64, but I suspect as time went on it was more either laziness, or, more likely, managers saying "You don't have time to implement a sound priority queue, just ship the game."

  • @IMDRanged
    @IMDRanged 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never heard of this game in the US when I was growing up. Arcades were limited in Hawaii and I wasn't into NES. Only when I got a modded PS1 I had a bunch of Japanese import games as a bonus which included the anniversary edition. Too bad it is Konami so the only way to play and enjoy these games is through retro consoles and emulators. Did Konami make pachinko already, not that I bothered to even google anything Konami nowadays.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, there are Konami themed Pachinko
      machines. Also, many Japanese TV programs use sound effects that all originally
      came from Konami games. It's as if Konami sold off their sound effect library.

    • @ubervirtuoso
      @ubervirtuoso 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes, I think TV studios made agreements with various companies like Toaplan, to use their sound effects. According to an interview I read, TV studios would ask for sound effects because they couldn't make the sound effect that they wanted themselves.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      ubervirtuoso ah, the would also make sense. Mark n Japanese TV we can hear so many sound effects from games.

  • @SsuddenDdeath
    @SsuddenDdeath 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wish there was a steam version that looks like the android version

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe there is in China but not steam of course.

  • @TrainmasterCurt
    @TrainmasterCurt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saturn no doubt!

  • @vp-retro
    @vp-retro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not enough "Power of Anger" need moar!!!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed you're right.

  • @wariogamingexe7795
    @wariogamingexe7795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my favorite game is penguin! it's the best!

  • @retrovideogamejunkie
    @retrovideogamejunkie 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    i always lose when i fight my brain...XD

  • @sobesons
    @sobesons 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome!

  • @SebasHCG
    @SebasHCG 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    as usual, Konami/MSX for the win, amazingly well done considering this little (great) machine, but the best example on the machine is Space Manbow for me, a masterpiece on MSX !
    also i like a lot the PC-Engine version, very special with a scrolling up/down, the only one with it if i am right.
    good job & don't forget, DESTROY THE CORE !!!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Space Manbow is excellent however that's on the MSX2, a more powerful MSX. The original MSX is very bad at horizontal scrolling however I've seen examples of when it can scroll well. Not many but there are ways to do it using sprites as the background layer.
      PC Engine is a fantastic system and one with many great shooters on it. It's also home to some of the most difficult shooters!

    • @SebasHCG
      @SebasHCG 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      right MSX2 ^^ forgot to mention,
      also about Konami/MSX, i am always astonishing by some combinations between cartridge & disks www.bifi.msxnet.org/?main=konami/combinations.html but you probably know that yet :p

    • @SebasHCG
      @SebasHCG 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      riright :), MSX2 forgot to mention it. you mean kind of hacking or overclocking ?
      *EDIT: just realized that you know it watching the Graduis video.* (Original Message) another amazing thing with Konami on MSX are all the combinations possible between certain cartridges using the 2 cartridge ports of the MSX.
      here the list of games & their acts = www.bifi.msxnet.org/?main=konami/combinations.html
      these Game Masters (1&2) aren't essentials but looks very cool to have/try.
      cheers

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've read about these dual cartridge compatable games but I've not really looked in to it much.
      I'm currently using a Flash cartridge for my MSX2.

    • @SebasHCG
      @SebasHCG 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      pretty cool, knowing how very rare these MSX games are today ! cherish this cartridge ^^
      honestly i only knew 1 guy, ha no, kid & it was awesome to play this unknown machine with a SMS pad ^^
      i also have flash cart. & everdrives, very useful tools :), i saw too much of PCE these days that i have connected my DuoRX today, long time not seen ^^.

  • @marioghernandez4960
    @marioghernandez4960 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    More like a spin-off to Gradius.

  • @lucaspam
    @lucaspam 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    The c64 version is most impressive. This little piece of hardware is very collectable, indeed.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, C64 owners must have really loved rubbing it is to the ZX Spectrum and Amstrad fanboys back in the day.

  • @RetroArcadeGuy
    @RetroArcadeGuy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Adaptative AI on a shooter in PC Engine? That's something I gotta try!

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, it's odd to think of but if you play it you'll notice that when you are powered up and blazing through a level the difficulty is really ranked up. Die and loose everything and suddenly there's less stuff attacking you.

    • @RetroArcadeGuy
      @RetroArcadeGuy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's really cool, I gotta really try it someday. The only game I heard such system implemented was Daytona USA.
      The better your times the faster the opponents becomes. And I am not that bad at all in Daytona!

  • @Worp3music
    @Worp3music 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As I said earlier in the r-type port from msx here also you give the sound not justice fore the msx port. Music is way to slow when you set msx on 50 hz in stead of 60 hz. Please watch this video how the sound should be: th-cam.com/video/4rYffqQaBmM/w-d-xo.html. Also you know there is enhanced version with smooth scrolling and even voices from the arcade? See this vid: th-cam.com/video/gucvTZU7FJI/w-d-xo.html. It is really running on a MSX-2!. Not om MSX-1. that is why it runs so smooth! I like to hear what you think of it. There are also smooth scrolls for Gradius 1 and 2 on msx-2 (search for "enhanced" and see the new magic for msx-2 or higher machines.. I love this. It is possible to do it on msx-2 smooth side scroll. Please redo the video and set msx on 60hz. Because the sound is too slow and horribel to listen too. Also it gaves better playability. It responds faster on the msx.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You do realise that outside of Japan most people played the MSX in 50htz.? So to them this is quite normal. Also, outside of Japan the MSX2 wasn't very successful.
      I do own a Panasonic MSX 2 (there's a video of it on my channel) but I tend to run games in 50htz since that's how most saw them. By the way, at lest I ran R-Type in 60htz.

  • @DesertRainReads
    @DesertRainReads 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can one find the Android version? I want it.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not sure. I was gifted it via a friend. I'm sure googling Android Salamander should bring up some hints.

    • @DesertRainReads
      @DesertRainReads 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Retro Core very cool, not going to deny that it does look amazing.

  • @andyhodgson7692
    @andyhodgson7692 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amstrad version = arse gravy.

  • @siwy2501
    @siwy2501 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why this game looks like gradus v ? even music and bosses are the same.

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Beacuse both games are king of connected. Gradius came first however development of Salamander was kind of a ....... well, I don't know really. Both games are very similar though and by the same developers.

    • @pikakai
      @pikakai 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Retro Core I had an idea the two games were related looking at the gameplay :P

    • @StevenCusic
      @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Retro Core Lord British FTW

    • @RetroCore
      @RetroCore  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      stevacus I'm Lord British? Hehe, nice.

    • @StevenCusic
      @StevenCusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Retro Core lol. I meant the second player ha, but if you want the title go ahead ^_^

  • @cps1247
    @cps1247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    for me PC Engine version of Salamander is superior over arcade and NES versions

  • @Alfaraj777
    @Alfaraj777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Msx best version