Fixing Some Serious Engine Problems & Returning This 1970 Rover P6 2000 SC Back To The Road
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video I get to grips with re fitting the head to the P6, measuring and machining shims to get the engine running like a swiss watch. Every day is a school day!
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Quite how a country like Britain no longer has a car industry is a shameful footnote in history. Beautiful car, well engineered and brilliantly restored. Really enjoyed this video.
Cars have always proved to be a massive pain in the ass.... and they still are 😂
however 3 weeks ago, if someone said you're about to lose numerous hours of your life watching some chap trying to revive an old car in a shed....😂😂... and now the rest is history
superbly addictive stuff!
And what really makes these videos the absolute best on youtube is.... raw raw passion, coupled with an enduring ethic for hard work, incredibly positive attitudes in the face of real ballaches.
just love it!
Thanks again for this one.
Massive well done
My uncle had a white rover p6 in the 70s and the 1 thing I remember about it was the ride quality. It seemed to float like a magic carpet. My car today has a harder ride .
I rang the Rover helpline but no one answered. That made me chuckle at first, then I felt a bit sad thinking more on it's death. Good video Ben.
Even when they picked up the phone, they weren't much help.
Not that funny actually. There is a very active P6 Forum.
The Rover is a keeper, you're like a modern day Gaffer driving that :-)
only if the dash is civer in parking tickets will he be the Gaffer
@@liamjackson6930 Ha and the back seat.....
@@liamjackson6930 We definitely need tasty to do an episode where he wears a waist coat and a pork pie hat.
Those were the good old days when comedy was funny without all the swearing
@@liamjackson6930True, it’s boring these days.
For an amateur mechanic youve done a cracking job of that engine, these are beautiful cars, but i wish it was either black or metallic bronze, dont think i could have the heart to get rid of this beauty.
The P6 was such an advanced car at its launch in 1963. The styling, build quality and performance were exceptional. It really brought the company right up to date with a car aimed at the younger customer. In it's facelifted guise, like this one, Rover managed to refresh the model and I actually prefer this version. The 2L engine was a little unrefined but the 2200 version was a big improvement and was smoother with useful extra power. I just love the interior, all the little details like illuminated switches, the map light, the gorgeous six dial instrument binnacle, the blanking plate for the radio-oozes quality. It shows what a great car it is with its performance and ride for a 54 year old car. There won't be any shitty EV's around in 50 years. Well done Ben, hope it goes to an enthusiastic owner.
Your narratage is superb, you really draw us in with your lighthearted commentary. And... no expletives!
Your camera work makes us feel as if we're really in the workshop with you, so well edited.
I've learnt so much about cars and engines since watching your videos.
What an achievement to get this P6 back on the road. Well done.
When I started in St asaph, heron garage (1986) with the yts scheme. There was a mechanic working on an sd 1 rover and he was having fun with the shims, trying to get the valve clearances. It took he a few days.he was getting really fed up with it. I really enjoyed watching this, thanks Ben
Heron had a lovely BL showroom on the roundabout there.
Best episode so far, for quality of production. Brilliant esp. the wet road lorry pass..
White/black wires are low tension ignitiopn circuit, ie coil - to dizzy, or tacho trigger off the -side of the coil.
Oil pressure sender unit wire is white/brown.
The wiper delay is variable via the white knob on the lh side of the column shroud, if it's working that is. It's worked by a vacuum capsule and rubber hose. Often the diaphragm splits or the pipe has perished.
Nice job on this one, well done.
@35:45 I can tell you, listening to that, and I've had a P6 2000TC - that is a STRONG engine. Absolutely perfect. Congratulations, she has all the makings of an excellent P6. On my V8, the thermo housing gaskets are hopeless as a pattern replacement, my current one is cardboard from a Cornflakes packet and instant gasket.
omg...my dad had one though it was a 3.5 v8...green with camel interior ..bit of a beast,,,in the 70s...proper car....we had some adventures...happy days..all the best.
Now they did tick like a clock and drive like a rocket 🤣
I totally loved this video, I was on knife's edge watching it slide towards the pole and the MG! One thing I would have done is close that bonnet. What a devine ride he will be once cleaned up.
Oh yes the bonnet !
I kept thinking close that f*#*king bonnet before you catch it on something ! 😂
The way to do this is to assemble the valve gear without the shims. You then measure the gaps, subtract from each gap the amount you want for clearance on that valve, then either buy shims that thickness or machine yours to fit.
Spot on, and I'd have assembled the cam into the head BEFORE fitting the head to the engine, just to make things easier. Then repeated the exercise with the correct size shims fitted to confirm gaps.
good comments
These are underbucket shims. If you assemble without the shims, the buckets or tappets will be sitting on top of the valve spring not valve itself. You will not get a valid reading To remove the shims you have to take off the camshaft. The tappet adjustment is a complicated job on the Rover 2000 motor. I have my own shim set. If you own a shim set for these motors then you will get requests for service visits!
@@bazabiker4870 there is a Rover service tool to set the tappets on the bench. I know one one of these tools!
Top tip, if you ever hear a bad noise or see lots of smoke just pretend you haven’t noticed.
The "COME OOONNNNN!!!" when anything starts and runs flawlessly always has me fist bumping the air in agreement 💯💯
Cheers from the U.S., keep it up
I love it to….I’ve been saying it for years 🙋♂️🤝👍💚🙏
That sounds better than most modern engines 😮 so silky smooth think I may have a thing for these cars now 😬 lol
I’m 58 this year and have been doing things around engines since I passed my father a spanner (wrench, in American), aged 4.
It never, ever gets old, hearing a bunch of inanimate pieces of metal, that you’ve bolted together yourself, burst into life. It’s as close as a regular schmo like me can ever get to Genesis.
I’m loving watching you do this.
Keep it up.
I use to see what engines and boxes you could fit into what car 🤣 As long as you had the two propshafts welded together and balanced you could practically fit anything into to any car 🤣
I had 3 of these in the 70s and 80s and they were the best cars i ever had
Ben you have done a fantastic job on the Rover. From sitting in a hedge to running on the road . You have saved her life. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I have had Rovers all my driving life from 16 to 70,p4,5 and6, you have a good one here, keep it is my advice,l am in South Australia,p6 are such a well made car, good luck with the Rover,
The head bolts that piss me off are the ones where you have to go to 30lbs and then go round again 15 degrees, then round again 90 degrees, then throw chicken bones on the floor and pray to cliff Burton
Newer rover stretch bolts?
@@petetazflies not in my case mate , but I've heard of those ones lol 🤣
The ones that had me cussing like a coal miner were on my 97 camaro, talk about sending you round the houses.
@@petetazflies They had stretch bolts on later (Ford) Pinto engines. You had to replace them every time you took them out.
I love how you refer two pieces as little bits or bits. That’s so British and cool.
Also, bits n bobs!
We need to get Ben more viewers and subs! What can we do? I love the sound of this little P6 with the blowing exhaust. Great job Ben! Looking forward to the Capri content!
@GMTM2162: I know! Everybody who enjoys this channel, open an extra TH-cam account and subscribe & like from that! Or, if a more robust solution is preferred, we could kidnap Derek Bieri from Vice Grip Garage and ask him to post some rubbish content to let Tasty Ben catch up?
😊
Funny you call the P6 "little" as it wasn't back in the 1970s but certainly is now in comparison to modern cars.
I love how methodical you work on the engine and how tidy your working space looks. (This video is super fun)
Hi Ben you are doing a great job. A couple of things I learnt in my Engine Reconditioning Trade training were firstly always torque the head in at least 2 stages. The first being a bit over half the torque then to the required torque setting. This helps to make sure the head gasket seats well. Also use the torque wrench as close to the bolt as possible. An extension can alter your final torque. Love your videos and the great selection of cars you work on. Marc from Australia 🇦🇺
That Rover really suits you.
I've really enjoyed this series and I really enjoyed the engine work. Variety is the spice of life. Keep up the good work, I'm slowly catching up with the older content 👍
Fond Memory of the P6 ,At a Family wedding Newquay . Cornwall ,late 70's, Winter storm came in , My Uncle had one , We drove down to the harbour at night with waves crashing over it ! ....My dad had a Avenger at the time that mum wrote off down Telegraph Hill on the A38 Devon on the way home ..The P6 was pure luxury in the back as a 10 yr old kid .
I remember doing valve clearances on the BL O series engine.Same thing with shims when i was a Austin/Rover tech way back.That Rover engine still has tight clearances as its galloping on idle.
I learnt a lot with this episode what a great job not many P6s left now s good as this to start with why didnt Rover make an up to date copy of these cars nothing so nice to look at or sit in made any more
thousands of p6's still around
@@brianmac8260 Yes good owners club and spares available
Not boring at all, infact very interesting. 👍
Another cracking video. You're in danger of becoming my favourite youtube channel.
loved the series on the P6 well done for saving another ........TASTY CLASSIC... plus you are !THE GAFFER! of tasty classics you should keep her add to your rover collection..
For him to properly be The Gaffer, he'll need to fill the car with parking tickets which then fly out of the open windows as he drives the Rover down the road.
Now there's a reference that anyone under a certain age won't understand.
Yours is one of the most authentic car shows there is and this video is testament of it. BUT, I am sad that you do amazing thorough works on these cars......then they left to soak in british rain😢
Get an awning as soon as possible. It would keep on saving the cars that you have given a new life to
One of my favourite cars from Rover. I noticed that the 1986 Chevrolet Impala has some similar looks to the P6 but more boxy looking 😊.
Great car. Amazing how you got her going again. And no carb rebuild either!
Love this latest addition! My first car was a 1968 2000TC, fixed it up and got it running, never got the back brakes to work properly though.
Learned to drive on an Ambassador so you ticked that box, also had a Mk1 Cavalier and a Mk1 Capri😀. Keep up the good work, if you ever fancy turning your hand to motorcycles I’ve a few projects in my shed you might like👍👍.
Wonderful vid, enjoyed it immensely (even tho' you said "is it boring" a couple of times) sorting out shims! I recently did a head job on an old-ish Pug 205 GTI, and nearly went insane sorting out bl**dy shims! But a classic job, on a classic! A very tasty classic vid, more please!
Your vids are well edited man = adds a lot to the entertainment and watchability factor. 👍👍
I rebuilt the top end of a MK1 transit campervan Kent engine after melting its No3 valve seat using unleaded petrol about 24yrs ago (Was a rare sight then....why did I sell it?? For £1k!!!). Anyway, after rebuilding engine, filling up with new oil too quickly, the oil flooded the rockerbox and flowed over the brim of the rocker box raised oil filling lip ( but I didn't see this immediately, for the wider funnel restricted my view). The overspill ran straight into cylinder 1 (No plugs were fitted.). Seeing this, I wiped off the overspill and spun the engine over to eject the oil, and some must have exited out through the exhaust, whilst some spat out of the plug hole. The head needed re-torquing after it got warm, so I ran it on the drive for about 5mins, and neighbours were slamming windows due to the smoke! Anyway, retorqued, rockers back on and tappet/valve gaps reset and off I drive. It was like a clowns car billowing blue smoke. I couldn't see behind me. I recall a lady pulling out a handkerchief and smothering the face of her young child on a bicycle! I'm now thinking I've got bore/ ring problems ( I'd previously replaced the rings a year prior), so I headed out of town, fearing I'd get pulled by Mr. Plod in town. A few miles down the road and it all cleared and was perfect afterwards. Was just that spilt oil burning off in the manifold & downpipe. As I watched the Rover, I thought, Yep I know what's causing that😁
I would 100% pay four grand for that beautiful thing. Always loved the P6's. Would be worth every penny ❤
What a cracking motor car, loads of potential in it. Lovely to see it come from hedge to road, well done Ben, another saved.
the white/black wire is USUALLY the rev counter wire, connected to the neg side of the coil, but that might be different dependent on year
Could it be, that the tacho instrument is faulty. Taking the coil down when you connect it?
Superb vid Ben. It's been a lot of years since I did an engine rebuild, or even head work but, when you put them all back together properly and the burst into life instantly...its like a home run! I've been an engineer for 30 years and I'll never get bored of engineering. Top work fella!
My eBay search history since discovering this channel makes interesting reading.
Said it before, this chap is now my favourite. Can't remember how I found Top Cat but I'm glad I did.
Keep them coming mate. Just before you commented on how well she sounded I had exactly the same thought.
god this takes me back - my friend's Dad had one back in the 70s. So nice to see it running sweetly again.
It's fantastic to see these old cars brought back to life and used again. Nice job.😀
That timing chain looks seriously heavy duty! They don’t make like that any more!😉
You could invest around £30 for an endoscope camera (5 metres long with adjustable LIGHT) which works on both Apple and Samsung telephone, iPad and tablets. This endoscope will allow you to light up and see areas that you wouldn't be able to see. I hope that helps.
Back in the 1970s, my boss at IBM drove a Rover 2000. He celebrated the day it topped 100,000 miles.
Ben every video you make is really interesting mate. That Rover is amazing glad it's a survivor.
The delay on the wipers is adjustable, the adjuster is the white switch on the left of the steering column
Congratulations you passed your Rover Maths GCSE exam with an A+ . It sounds perfect too , rock solid and smooth .
Yet another splendid video. Thanks.
Wasn't boring at all, this is my favorite car out the lot. Great car
One of your best videos, I'd say, just wish I could afford it. 😢
KEEP IT !!
Add it to the Tasty Classics fleet. What a beauty !
I used Bubble gum on seating my headgasket....had problems though some say wrigleys doublemint does the trick? I was thinking about Juicy fruit?
Hubba Bubba for the win
Yet another great episode! That car is certainly very cool, and seems to work flawlessly!
Fridays are starting to become, one of my favorite days of the week, thanks to your uploads Ben! :D
Bought and got this Rover on the road c. 2009. Then it was a rather non-standard shade of Milkfloat Blue. I see its now Lunar. A good choice :)
This brought back some memories, my dad had an identical one and he let me learn to drive in it
well done the art of shims cracked. turned into a nice motor. keep em coming .keeps me out of trouble on a friday night.
Your expression at 35.3 minutes when she fired up was just PRICELESS!! Thank you for making my Friday night yet again Ben! Wonderful stuff!!! 😂 Totally UNBORING 👍👏Bravo!! (well worth £3995)
Well done Ben for saving this p6 I had one myself many years ago in Mexico Brown great cars love your blogs 😂
This has been a brilliant series and adventure. Thank you so much, Mr Tasty.
Edit: seriously, what are the brakes like? Discs all round and quite light? It’s a gorgeous classic, I’d buy one new today, if Rover made them! Why? Because they can run forever, when eventually fettled. It’ll take time. It’s been asleep a long time.
You’ve got bloody good instincts, by the way.
1970 isn’t so very far back. I was ten! My favourite motorcycles, the Suzuki GT triple two strokes, were launched in 1972. My examples are late, 1977, models.
I remember very well those Rovers. Typically a doctors car. A bit staid but dependable.
These cars always did drive exceptionally well. If you worked in a garage back in their day you were likely to be working on a number of these cars. In time you would collect a box full of these shims which in time made it a lot easier and quicker to change them. I worked in a Rootes (Hillman) garage and Imps had similar shims fitted to.
Nice bit of work mate, another one rescued.
Well done 👍
Hi Ben, I'm absolutely loving your videos. Most of the old cars that you feature are from younger years. Keep going, Ben.
Yeah sorry Ben I was manning Rover Helpline that night but went down Pub for a Swift pint 🍺 or 12 😁. Seems like you got through your CRISIS on own 👌🏻 so be very proud of yourself mate , your now in Rover recovery 😂👍🏻.
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Now re routed to the Samaritans
Get some "short" shims made at just below minimum. Put them in then measure the actual gap. You can then work out the difference between what you have and what you need. How simple is that?
Absolutely amazing job, yet again. A great car that would look the part on anyone's driveway.
Roll on the Capri!
That make a lovely weekend tinkering project for someone , great video.
Yes, they're very nice cars to drive. On the tacho, you'll have to pull it out (easy) and work out why the needle is stuck. Electrically, the wire from coil to distributor does not take a direct route, but passes through the tacho to enable it to read the pulses. So if anything was amiss with this wire, the engine wouldn't run. With that said, a 2000SC should have the earlier strip speedo and no tacho, so either the engine or the dashboard has been changed in your car. Have a look too at the wiper motor and how the intermittent setting works. It's pneumatic, and really neat. Cheers.
What a beautiful car you should be so proud of what you have achieved on this old girl .
Id love to own a classic but funds don't allow so I'll just druell over this one . I have enjoyed this one . Keep em coming Ben
do you mean *drool ?
I am pretty certain that what you have there is a 2000TC that has been converted to an SC, I had an 'M' registered TC the same colour in the 70's and it had the same dashboard, the SC had a long rectangular speedo that moved from left to right. It would explain why it says TC under the bonnet.
Loved seeing you bring that old bus back to life Ben, definitely not boring content and great to see the details you go into. Keep it coming, cheers Darrell
you are a magician of the motoring world, Ben!
Au contraire, Rodney, au contraire. It's one of the best. The look of shock on your face after it fired up the instant you got the clearances right was priceless. Done it meeself. It's a great feeling, isn't it?
Camera is good, don't spend much money. Love your videos.
Very elegant. A gentleman's conveyance.
That journey home was hilarious..!! :-D
Love these old p6 rovers ,.takes me back . Keep up the good work
The Rover is nice, but should also fetch a nice price too, leading to more content...SELL IT!
All good mate sitting with a Shiraz chuckling away. Keep it up
First car I ever drove, when I was 10. Hot wired and push starting it at night. I nearly took the open doors off in reverse when they said hit the accelerator . 😂😂😂😂😂. Never will forget that.
Really enjoy your videos thank you 🧠💪🤝🙏
Thanks! Olde English, like me and mine. Had a tasty 3.0 ghia capri back in the 80s, one of my favs 👍😀🥃
My favourite colour on the P6 ..... Lunar Grey. Had one of these not long after I passed my test. 1971 seties 1.5 in Mexico Brown. Had bits from both series 1 and Series 2. 1971 model. Lovely car, wish I hadnt sold it.
Thanks
That's a serious help mate thank you so much! Glad I can make something fun for you to watch, I know St Asaph really well, grew up in Llandudno!
Well done Ben, always liked that style and shape rover would look cool 😎 with a black vinyl roof fitted . Looking forward to your next video. Tim 😊
One of my sisters and I attended Ecole Nouvelle in Lausanne, CH in the 1960's. I was hatched in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Canada in 1952.
You're fun, it's fun, that was fun. Fun!
He’s the Gaffer 👍🏼
I wonder if he's old enough to know that reference? 😅 He'll need to add an awful lot of parking tickets to the interior though!.
of course he could also be Fred Gee from Coronation Street, especially with the booze in the boot in what was Annie Walker's Rover, right colour too. 😁
Really interesting enjoyed your rover video friend 😊
Absolutely fascinating Ben,and when it fired into life after all your work it sounded BEAUTIFUL.
98K views on the Capri video in 2 weeks, Well done Ben.
I just been watching Inspector Gently crusing around North Humberland in one of these :-)
The beauty of a normal OHC setup, even with these captive shims, is you can assemble it all and get all the clearances correct on the bench, before you fit it to the car. I used to know a guy who would machine the valve stems to suit the shims that were available, rather than alter the shims. But you can’t do any of that when the head bolts hold the cam bearings, too. You’ve no choice but to assemble it all, measure what you have, then order the correct shims. Almost French design practice.