The reason for the different image results when using night mode is that you were focusing on a darker area of the scenery. When using night mode the AI will use the focused object/area as base for the intensity of the exposure optimization. You can easily try this at home and even during the day. Point the camera at your TV, activate night mode and focus on the black TV screen. The camera will try to perfectly expose the dark screen and the rest of the picture will become quite bright. Now take the same picture again also with night mode, but instead focus on the white wall behind your TV. The overall picture will look much darker. The same thing happened when you chose to focus on something "more contrasty" when using the night mode. Next time focus on a lighter area of the scenery and you'll not get an over exposed picture 😉
@@vincentmallari238 If you are new to the Pro Mode, the best thing to do is to take a couple of pictures of different objects in bright and low light in Auto Mode first. Now look at the ISO and shutter speed stats in the gallery so you get a feeling for the different values. Then you can start experimenting with subtle changes to these values in Pro Mode. In my experience for daylight pictures you can always choose a lower ISO than the Auto Mode.
Thanks for your helpful comments Patrick, will also follow-up on the P30 and its photo/video features, just uploaded a timelapse video from Barcelona, only native 720p but looks nice on smartphones and social media.
Loved this video. Real person, real test. Great narration, great voice. Natural and not acted. I very much enjoyed this review. Thank you. I learned a lot from this.
when you use the night mode(auto), meaning you did not make any adjustments on the ISO and shutter speed, the phone will automatically calculate the shutter and ISO in order to produce a balanced photo. like lowering the highlights and bringing up the shadows. the moment you adjusted the shutter and ISO in Night mode, the AI algorithm does not kick in. hence you get a brighter photo but has blown out the highlights.
F number is the aperture value. The lower the number the best for low light. If you shot in a bright day the F number would be high, probably between f16 to f22. It's like your eye, in bright sunlight you squint, and in darkness your eyes open wider to gain more light. Nice review by the way, well done 👍
I think I know what happened: The night mode captures multiple images and stiches them together to create a final image: that's what you're seeing when it's slowly getting brighter. If you put the shutter speed on 20 seconds it will capture multiple different (with different ISO and shutter speed) images for 20 seconds When using night mode on auto the phone will calculate the right ISO and shutter speed and use it's own algorithms to balance highlights and dark areas. When manually selecting night mode settings the phone will still capture the multiple images but wont use the smart algorithms for balancing the shot which will result in blown out areas. When using the pro mode the phone takes a "real" long exposure (which is why you can't see the progress while its taking the picture) resulting in a brighter image but with even more blown out parts.
Yes, I've seen the same thing myself on P20. The automode sucks in extreme low-light(unfixable noise, red tint, red vignetting etc.), but manual time gives much better results, which are comparable to long exposure in manual mode...
That's right, it's why using the same settings manually will get a different result. Also, the gentleman needs to focus in the right place, about 1/3rd into the scene for better sharpness across the scene.
Even thu i dont have a knowledge on photography but in what you delivered from that photos is, very impressive... You just satisfied my mind on thinking what thus p30pro has to offer on us unknowledgeable on photography
I used this last night on my p30 pro NEW to test. WOW it was so dark and the picture looks as it was day.. lol no CLUE how useful that is but LOVE IT! That was just the 5 sec waiting.
Huawei phones are the best for night photography.. Amazing what P30 Pro can do on auto mode ! I own p20 pro very happy with it, i will skip P30 Pro and get next year Huawei flagship :)
The difference is that the night mode shot is computational where as the pro mode is shutter open for 20 seconds. Computational shot is multiple shots at varying exposure levels stitched together and the software tries to balance out the highlights, shadows and contrast.
Sometimes I use the Huawei camera app's Light painting modes (e.i. Silky water) to get dark long exposure shots. With that, I get to choose when to stop the shutter.
On the second picture the camera took a broader range of shots each having different exposure levels and then stitched them together so you got a brighter picture normally this happens when the HDR is activated. F is the focus length. Also if you look at the histogram when looking at the metadata you can see where the light range has been gathered from. If the histogram is bunched up to the right or the left the camera sensor has only picked up light from low or high areas of the spectrum when you see it as a long curve from one end to the other the camera sensor has picked up not just the low or high tones, but it has also picked up the mid tones which gives you more of a complete picture. The aperture or focal length can be the same on different pictures as can the ISO but there are other factors that can increase the range of light the sensor gathers
The relation between ISO and shutter speed given fixed aperture is the same as on all cameras. I might do a tutorial in the future but there are many good tutorials on youtube which you could look at if you want. Best wishes
Thank you for the amazing video! I would like to watch other videos like this, maybe if you can try with the ultra wide angle len (for landscape like that) and telephoto len (for the moon).
The reason why we see such different results accross all the different modes isn't because of the focus point as another user pointed out, as you were picking focus at roughly the same area. Instead, you should keep in mind that this technology can be used both with and without a tripod, so Huawei has made sure that you can still get impressive pseudo long exposure night shots by just holding the phone in your hands. That means that, while in night mode and using auto settings, the phone will cancel the motion that is caused by your hands shaking, while preserving that long exposure look but also reducing the overall brightness of the image. This is why you're also able to see the preview and the countdown, it's pretty much shooting a lot of pictures and combining them (doing so called photo stacking, as popularized by Google's HDR+ on Pixel phones). When you input manual settings in night mode, the countdown goes away and the phone works just like in manual mode when you have a tripod. If you had the phone in your hands, you would have seen that the image was shakier.
the night mode is using stacking method to increase the exposure. Just like HDR mode, when enable the night mode the camera actually take multi photo(frames) than the backend software using multiple frames of photo stacking to increase the details without over exposure. The exposure time show in the "info" of night mode photo is not the "real" time, is a total photo stacking exposure time. Hope you understand what I explain
f1.6 is for the close up subject, to obtain a blurred background, for landscape usually use f8-12, that is why your images have not focused area blurred
Primary lens is fixed at f/1.6, everything else is software. You can easily find the specs online. In smartphones there is not aperture change for a lens, it is all done by software.
The 2 have same settings. But the night mode is AI process stack. So we recognize the kind of pictures and select the appropriate elements in pictures to stack. The manual. Is the natural rendering of shutter open
8:10 the difference between the auto night mode pic and the manual is In The auto night mode the Shutter starts from a very low ISO to higher to 100 (like from Low to High) But as in manual you've selected the 100 ISO so the camera system will start the Shutter from taking 100-100 ISO from start to end As per my Thinking I can be different!!
If you have the correct information, you might understand, the difference between those two same metadata images with long exposure is just because, Huawei like many other phones relies on post processing and it plays a big role here. You get an enchanced image always and not the exact as in the exposure data. Which obviously you get with a normal camera.
For the different image result: a camera take pictures in raw format, the jpg is the edited picture. The camera edit a picture like you do it in lightroom or Photoshop, Kontrast, lighting, sharpening, colors, all this parameters will edit from camera in the raw file and save as jpg, if you use a different mode so the camera edit it different but it's from exif the same raw file, go pro mode and activate save as raw so you can edit by yourself
its not strange at all in the night mode. in auto you picked brighter point as a focus point and in the manual mode you picked much darker point so ai made a much brighter picture overall to brighten the dark focus point
i am kinda late but I think that in the photo mode it takes 2 pictures and stacks them together to reduse noise. so it takes 2 12second exposures ,while in night mode it takes 1 24 second exposure
Hi there. Awesome video. Just need a little help..... I don't have the option to change the resolution from 40 to 10 (only ratio options such as 4.4 1.1 full screen) .. Have the exact phone.... Any ideas why? Thanks
hi for your question about the exposure, that’s because the exposure parameters of modern smartphones cameras are all simulated all “fake “. They use multi shot tragedy to improve IQ which is different from traditional digital camera
Hi! I have a question. Can you switch between the lenses when on pro mode? Because the s10 cant... you can only use the 3 lenses on auto mode, which is a deal breaker for me, so im considering this phone. Thanks!!
Whaat? Of course you can change lens on S10.. When in Pro Mode after start recording simply pinch the screen for lens bar to pop-up.. Hate that type people which misslead others cause they don't know how to and too laizy to read manual.
@@mrhedrox #not Did enough research before asking here and just because you're pinching the screen doesn't mean you're using optical zoom. Recording? Who said im necessarily taking about video? Hate the type of ppl that mislead others because they assume things and can't interpret what they read. Btw: www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bfd7pu/why_on_earth_cant_i_use_the_cameras_pro_mode_with/?
U use optical zoom till 2,0 which lens is capable for, after that it goes optical till 10x. U'r still missing the Pro mode sense which is pro, you don't play with auto - all options ON, but like a Pro You need to choose the parameters and lens before taking a pic... what's new about it? Nothing besides night mode is better than S10 and already prooven in most tests.
@@mrhedrox the comment you replied is almost one year old, we already moved to the s20. The s10 doesn't allow all 3 lenses on pro mode... just two of them, 3 if you go auto. Anyway, s21 speculations on the way, let's see what they'll put on the table
@@RaffyCarvalheira Yep, agreed 😊 You are right only 1.7 and 2.4 to choose... Still don't know what the third cam is for thou... if it zooms and low light swiches to main lens... Must investigate further with simple cover over the lens.. I'm cool, didn't want to accuse you or something.. Im still learning my S10 and ots deep features. So what did you choose in the end? Dont say iPhone 11..
I'm in Croatia right now where I have an amazing view over the mountains and bright stars. Trying to make some nice shots on my P30 pro. They look pretty nice but they're still a bit noisy. Any tips to fix this?
Interesting to see how the phone makers have used clever processing to get some very good results. Of course as photographer I would always be a camera user, but I can see for many people that this is plenty good enough or them. Perhaps not surprising how badly camera sales have fallen since phone makers have improved greatly their processing. Most phones I have used (and some cameras not all) bias exposure to the AF point so that explains the differences. Would I buy this? Probably not but for users who are into photos and want a small size then I can see they would mostly ignore a dedicated camera good enough is enough for most! I'd be fairly worried if I were a camera company!
I prefer real cameras too but sometimes the camera you have at hand is the best ;) I carry most of the time a camera with me but sometimes the smartphone camera is the only one available.
Auto night mode will increase the dynamic range & Control the Exposure. Manually tuned night mode will not control the exposure. As a normal photo with same meta will not match the quality of a hdr photo with same meta values.
You are making mistake focusing on the dark parts of the scene as camera can't "see" in those areas enough to properly focus. If you use touch to select focus, you should focus on bright, not the dark areas of the scene, on the other hand when using manual mode, you can manually select infinite focus and that's ok if that is your intention, but there are ton of other slider to play with and perfectly tune the image, you shouldn't just copy settings from auto modes. This camera has ton of possibilities, problem is that 99% of the people don't understand how cameras work so auto mode and AI on is actually safest bet for most of the users.
Thanks for your comment. Touching has two effects as in all other cameras when you half-press shutter button and did not set up buttons & settings otherwise: it focusses AND it meters light. So a touch in a darker area is not only for focus, also for metering light which typically boosts brightness of the picture. You can easily try out with any camera. You are right on "too dark for focussing", depending on how capable the focus is (modern cameras can focus even in -3LV or down to -5LV) a camera might be able to focus in starlight-only even in dark parts of the live view. How good the P30 is with that, no idea. I also show in one part of the video how to manually focus in Pro Mode - which is a good solution if the P30 does not find focus because the focus area is too dark. Another option at night, as you correctly point out, is to take focus in a brigher area of the scene but with approximately same distance between camera and target. Then lock focus and change scene composition. Interesting what you mention on AI mode, I need to try this out more often. Have not used it that often by now. Thanks for the good hints for people who read this.
If you could see at your 2nd picture, the 10mp with the AI mode on, the city in the foreground is blown by the lights, but with your 3rd picture, the night mode it settles that light to a natural(ish) view. And idk what you said when viewing the 3rd photo (the night mode) telling us that it is worse than the 2nd photo without even processing the picture.
All those camera reviews are made by people clueless about cameras. What a pitty. Please, learn some basic camera handling and photography skills, that will help a lot.
Very reasonable comment ... basic photography skills help a lot, even when dealing with a smartphone camera. Aperture/ISO/ShutterSpeed - thats what photography is all about when it comes to light/exposure control. Good optical lenses are more important than high res sensors, and people tend to forget this when impressed by 40MP or more, and a well-chosen image composition is better than high tech. Good call for going back to the basics, like it :)
So I just took photos of tonight's blue moon. Anything above 5x zoom has no raw file setting. So I had to settle for jpgs. It takes great photos of the moon nonetheless. Will tell you more once I inspect the jpegs.
esses vídeos que informam sobre o p30 pro da Huawei estão sendo censurados e aparece a frase "vídeo indisponível"... tenho que ficar clicando várias vezes para conseguir assistir
I guess f1.6 stand for aperture value. As main sensor is exactly 1.6. could be coincidentally something else with the same value but most likely it is aperture
Yes it is like always when we see an "F" in photography the aperture, in my other video on zooming with the P30 Pro I explain the lenses and sensors. All three lenses have different fixed apertures.
I figured it out with correct data: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. Aperture is fixed for each lense. Any seeming aperture change is software fake.
The problem is you were putting focus on different things on different shots. BTW, F1.6 is aperture. I think lowering it to F4~5 with 20s exposure will give you better results.
You are right about that but you can't adjust aperture on a phone. Its purely fixed. Maybe in the future we will be able to but not as of now. There is no control over aperture. Only ISO and Shutter Speed.
Any change of aperture on smartphones like the P30 is software simulation. The aperture on the Leica lenses in the P30 is always fixed: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. If the phone shows some other aperture w.r.t. these lenses it is a software fake, not a real aperture change.
A very gd experience sharing👍👍👍 any tripod recommended for smartphone? i usually taking photos when hiking, there are windy most of the time. Thanks for suggestions and looking forward to it.
not this one that is known to exaggerate colours, if you really want a Huawei, the Mate 20 pro has truer colours , and it will cost less if you find a nice offer
Actually, an aperture of f/1.2 comes only with very expensive lenses. The most expensive one is from Leica, called the Noctilux, e.g., 50mm f/0.95. On the P30, aperture is fixed for each lense: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. Aperture change then is nothing but a software fake if the respective lens is chosen.
I actually like the normal photo better than night mode. If it's night time it shouldn't look like day. Just want to be able to see details in darker areas instead of pitch black.
hi, please increase the ISO to 800 or 1600 and take the Shutter Speed to 4 or 8 seconds on night mode. keep playing with it also with Pro mode. you gonna love it more than you do it now. P20 pro user from Switzerland (german part)
Come on the best one is the one with the night mode(auto), which has the best dynamic range and lighting balance(non blown away like the rest) but was out of focus. The one with auto mode and AI you said that is the best, it is only a lucky shot on focus but still burned the city lights.
Excellent question: since the primary lens can do 40MP and the wide angle lens can do (native) 20 MP and the tele lens can do 8MP, if we are in 40MP resolution mode on primary lens there should be a soft button to click to wide angle or tele lens without going to settings and changing the resolution on the primary lens down to 10MP just to get the soft buttons for the wide angle or tele lenses back on screen ... maybe something to consider for Huawei for next firmware update. By the way, when zooming more than 10x the 40MP primary sensor is used in combination with the tele sensor to do the trick.
Noel, here is a new datapoint I found out when digging into your question: If you go into Pro Mode and change in settings resolution to 40MP you get the wide angle and tele lens buttons on screen, so you can go to 16mm focal length (resolution then switches automatically to 20MP) and you can by pressing soft button zoom 5x (resolution then changes to 8MP automatically). If you again press the soft button for the primary lens (middle button on screen) resolution switches automatically back to 40MP. So this is much better than in normal photo mode with 40MP where we do not have soft zoom buttons on screen. However, you can not pinch-to-zoom ... at least on my phone pinch-to-zoom results in a message on screen that change of focal length can only be done via the three soft buttons on screen. Hope that helps :)
Actually, that's not the intention of course. But if you can tweak settings to "turn night into day" you know that you can take good photos in low light ;) Look at similar videos on photography at TH-cam, "turning night into day" or "camera can see at night" is nothing but a saying for a sensor that is well capable of low/available light photography.
@@mathphotographer It's not the sensor, it's the software when it comes to low light photography on smartphone cameras. Pixel by far has the worst sensor, yet through software is one of the best at night
@@tesario6039 of course I could cut the picture later, but it leads to loses of quality and inconvenient also. The same losses happens if you use the 16:9 dimention at huawei camera options (12 Mpixels instead of 40). It's obvious for each photographer.
Weird... The first one AI picture 4:09 was great, sharp and full of detail, but the second AI picture 10:49 was very blurry and the detail is almost zero. What?
Would be better if you tried it on a concert scene like if you are so faraway from the stage and just how much can you zoom in on the face of the artist. As if you are right in front if them
Very interesting video and it's something I noticed with my P30 Pro Seem to be some inconsistencies in the camera software which I'm sure will get updated. Heard there's a Beta release in China of updated software, so will see. Great informative video 👍🏻
Thanks for the positive feedback. I am sure the next firmware update will make the phone better, especially w.r.t. the camera software. Some features are still missing although advertised, e.g., the dual view video mode.
The reason for the different image results when using night mode is that you were focusing on a darker area of the scenery. When using night mode the AI will use the focused object/area as base for the intensity of the exposure optimization. You can easily try this at home and even during the day. Point the camera at your TV, activate night mode and focus on the black TV screen. The camera will try to perfectly expose the dark screen and the rest of the picture will become quite bright. Now take the same picture again also with night mode, but instead focus on the white wall behind your TV. The overall picture will look much darker.
The same thing happened when you chose to focus on something "more contrasty" when using the night mode. Next time focus on a lighter area of the scenery and you'll not get an over exposed picture 😉
Excellent explanation, many thanks Patrick.
@@mathphotographer You're welcome. Glad I could help out!
I need help on the pro mode on my p30 pro about the best iso and shutter speed for low light and bright areas
@@vincentmallari238 If you are new to the Pro Mode, the best thing to do is to take a couple of pictures of different objects in bright and low light in Auto Mode first. Now look at the ISO and shutter speed stats in the gallery so you get a feeling for the different values. Then you can start experimenting with subtle changes to these values in Pro Mode. In my experience for daylight pictures you can always choose a lower ISO than the Auto Mode.
Thanks for your helpful comments Patrick, will also follow-up on the P30 and its photo/video features, just uploaded a timelapse video from Barcelona, only native 720p but looks nice on smartphones and social media.
The problem with the most of us is...we could afford the phone but can’t afford that view.
You really are lucky to have that amazing view.
p900 does it better but p30 is a beast phone!
wrg, monex matrs not
3 picture with masterAI on really blows me away... Great job!
Thank you Nick
Loved this video. Real person, real test. Great narration, great voice. Natural and not acted. I very much enjoyed this review. Thank you. I learned a lot from this.
wrg, say any nmw s ok
when you use the night mode(auto), meaning you did not make any adjustments on the ISO and shutter speed, the phone will automatically calculate the shutter and ISO in order to produce a balanced photo. like lowering the highlights and bringing up the shadows. the moment you adjusted the shutter and ISO in Night mode, the AI algorithm does not kick in. hence you get a brighter photo but has blown out the highlights.
Good explanation, thanks.
And will also stack multiple images (short and long exposure) whilst it will use only the length which you selected on the screen(for example 32 sec)
F number is the aperture value. The lower the number the best for low light. If you shot in a bright day the F number would be high, probably between f16 to f22. It's like your eye, in bright sunlight you squint, and in darkness your eyes open wider to gain more light. Nice review by the way, well done 👍
You should not focus on the far background (hyper focal distance).
I think I know what happened:
The night mode captures multiple images and stiches them together to create a final image: that's what you're seeing when it's slowly getting brighter. If you put the shutter speed on 20 seconds it will capture multiple different (with different ISO and shutter speed) images for 20 seconds
When using night mode on auto the phone will calculate the right ISO and shutter speed and use it's own algorithms to balance highlights and dark areas.
When manually selecting night mode settings the phone will still capture the multiple images but wont use the smart algorithms for balancing the shot which will result in blown out areas.
When using the pro mode the phone takes a "real" long exposure (which is why you can't see the progress while its taking the picture) resulting in a brighter image but with even more blown out parts.
Yes, I've seen the same thing myself on P20. The automode sucks in extreme low-light(unfixable noise, red tint, red vignetting etc.), but manual time gives much better results, which are comparable to long exposure in manual mode...
That's right, it's why using the same settings manually will get a different result. Also, the gentleman needs to focus in the right place, about 1/3rd into the scene for better sharpness across the scene.
I think in night mode you were supposed to make it focus on the city lights to balance it out
Even thu i dont have a knowledge on photography but in what you delivered from that photos is, very impressive... You just satisfied my mind on thinking what thus p30pro has to offer on us unknowledgeable on photography
I used this last night on my p30 pro NEW to test. WOW it was so dark and the picture looks as it was day.. lol no CLUE how useful that is but LOVE IT! That was just the 5 sec waiting.
How?
I tried to take it at night but nithing work..
F means the Aperture. The main lens of the p30pro is f1.6
I want more photos at night time. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for positive feedback, I plan to post another round over the weekend.
Huawei phones are the best for night photography.. Amazing what P30 Pro can do on auto mode ! I own p20 pro very happy with it, i will skip P30 Pro and get next year Huawei flagship :)
Nice choice. P20 pro and p30 pro have a bit same similarities. We dont know what huawei will bring this 2020
@@incarnadinehue2674 Yeah, i just hope they bring stereo back otherwise im not getting it, for a 1000 euro phone that is a must for me
The difference is that the night mode shot is computational where as the pro mode is shutter open for 20 seconds. Computational shot is multiple shots at varying exposure levels stitched together and the software tries to balance out the highlights, shadows and contrast.
Sometimes I use the Huawei camera app's Light painting modes (e.i. Silky water) to get dark long exposure shots. With that, I get to choose when to stop the shutter.
Can't wait the P90 Pro and Jupiter photos 3:)
On the second picture the camera took a broader range of shots each having different exposure levels and then stitched them together so you got a brighter picture normally this happens when the HDR is activated.
F is the focus length. Also if you look at the histogram when looking at the metadata you can see where the light range has been gathered from.
If the histogram is bunched up to the right or the left the camera sensor has only picked up light from low or high areas of the spectrum when you see it as a long curve from one end to the other the camera sensor has picked up not just the low or high tones, but it has also picked up the mid tones which gives you more of a complete picture.
The aperture or focal length can be the same on different pictures as can the ISO but there are other factors that can increase the range of light the sensor gathers
I got my p30 pro can you teach me more about pro mode what iso and shutter speed is best for dark areas and for bright locations thanks need help
The relation between ISO and shutter speed given fixed aperture is the same as on all cameras. I might do a tutorial in the future but there are many good tutorials on youtube which you could look at if you want. Best wishes
Thank you for the amazing video! I would like to watch other videos like this, maybe if you can try with the ultra wide angle len (for landscape like that) and telephoto len (for the moon).
Will post more samples when I have them, thanks for positive feedback
mathphotographer hello, I would like to learn from you how to use well my Huawei p 30 pro to take pictures.
Could you do moon shots using the telephoto? And milky way or star trail shots? I'm planning on getting the p30 pro for this
When the weather allows for it I will try and post.
I do the moon shots and it's amazing👍
The moon shot is a filter when the ai recognizes the moon they have been caught red handed again.
th-cam.com/video/8w9WO6TpP2o/w-d-xo.html
When shooting milky way, Ai automatically add dust to your photo🤣🤣
I have the normal P30 without Pro. Do you think I can shot the same quality with the mainsensor? I think thats the same sensor like P30 Pro.
Yes
The reason why we see such different results accross all the different modes isn't because of the focus point as another user pointed out, as you were picking focus at roughly the same area. Instead, you should keep in mind that this technology can be used both with and without a tripod, so Huawei has made sure that you can still get impressive pseudo long exposure night shots by just holding the phone in your hands. That means that, while in night mode and using auto settings, the phone will cancel the motion that is caused by your hands shaking, while preserving that long exposure look but also reducing the overall brightness of the image. This is why you're also able to see the preview and the countdown, it's pretty much shooting a lot of pictures and combining them (doing so called photo stacking, as popularized by Google's HDR+ on Pixel phones). When you input manual settings in night mode, the countdown goes away and the phone works just like in manual mode when you have a tripod. If you had the phone in your hands, you would have seen that the image was shakier.
the night mode is using stacking method to increase the exposure. Just like HDR mode, when enable the night mode the camera actually take multi photo(frames) than the backend software using multiple frames of photo stacking to increase the details without over exposure. The exposure time show in the "info" of night mode photo is not the "real" time, is a total photo stacking exposure time. Hope you understand what I explain
Good point, thanks & fully understood. Read about this somewhere and should have mentioned.
f1.6 is for the close up subject, to obtain a blurred background, for landscape usually use f8-12, that is why your images have not focused area blurred
Primary lens is fixed at f/1.6, everything else is software. You can easily find the specs online. In smartphones there is not aperture change for a lens, it is all done by software.
The 2 have same settings. But the night mode is AI process stack. So we recognize the kind of pictures and select the appropriate elements in pictures to stack. The manual. Is the natural rendering of shutter open
8:10 the difference between the auto night mode pic and the manual is
In The auto night mode the Shutter starts from a very low ISO to higher to 100 (like from Low to High)
But as in manual you've selected the 100 ISO so the camera system will start the Shutter from taking 100-100 ISO from start to end
As per my Thinking I can be different!!
If you have the correct information, you might understand, the difference between those two same metadata images with long exposure is just because, Huawei like many other phones relies on post processing and it plays a big role here. You get an enchanced image always and not the exact as in the exposure data.
Which obviously you get with a normal camera.
For the different image result: a camera take pictures in raw format, the jpg is the edited picture. The camera edit a picture like you do it in lightroom or Photoshop, Kontrast, lighting, sharpening, colors, all this parameters will edit from camera in the raw file and save as jpg, if you use a different mode so the camera edit it different but it's from exif the same raw file, go pro mode and activate save as raw so you can edit by yourself
Very experimental and practical video! Great Job!
Thank you
its not strange at all in the night mode. in auto you picked brighter point as a focus point and in the manual mode you picked much darker point so ai made a much brighter picture overall to brighten the dark focus point
could you please leave the drive link to raw images in description?
Woah, where are these mountains?
Good morning, thank you. i have a Huawei p30 pro but I don't know how to take pictures at night because it's always dark.
i am kinda late but I think that in the photo mode it takes 2 pictures and stacks them together to reduse noise. so it takes 2 12second exposures ,while in night mode it takes 1 24 second exposure
Hi there. Awesome video. Just need a little help.....
I don't have the option to change the resolution from 40 to 10 (only ratio options such as 4.4 1.1 full screen) .. Have the exact phone.... Any ideas why? Thanks
F: 1.6 i think its about the native aperture of the camera y are using, main camera, or wide angle.
hi for your question about the exposure, that’s because the exposure parameters of modern smartphones cameras are all simulated all “fake “. They use multi shot tragedy to improve IQ which is different from traditional digital camera
Hi! I have a question. Can you switch between the lenses when on pro mode? Because the s10 cant... you can only use the 3 lenses on auto mode, which is a deal breaker for me, so im considering this phone. Thanks!!
Whaat? Of course you can change lens on S10.. When in Pro Mode after start recording simply pinch the screen for lens bar to pop-up..
Hate that type people which misslead others cause they don't know how to and too laizy to read manual.
@@mrhedrox #not
Did enough research before asking here and just because you're pinching the screen doesn't mean you're using optical zoom. Recording? Who said im necessarily taking about video? Hate the type of ppl that mislead others because they assume things and can't interpret what they read.
Btw: www.reddit.com/r/galaxys10/comments/bfd7pu/why_on_earth_cant_i_use_the_cameras_pro_mode_with/?
U use optical zoom till 2,0 which lens is capable for, after that it goes optical till 10x. U'r still missing the Pro mode sense which is pro, you don't play with auto - all options ON, but like a Pro You need to choose the parameters and lens before taking a pic... what's new about it?
Nothing besides night mode is better than S10 and already prooven in most tests.
@@mrhedrox the comment you replied is almost one year old, we already moved to the s20. The s10 doesn't allow all 3 lenses on pro mode... just two of them, 3 if you go auto. Anyway, s21 speculations on the way, let's see what they'll put on the table
@@RaffyCarvalheira Yep, agreed 😊 You are right only 1.7 and 2.4 to choose... Still don't know what the third cam is for thou... if it zooms and low light swiches to main lens...
Must investigate further with simple cover over the lens..
I'm cool, didn't want to accuse you or something.. Im still learning my S10 and ots deep features. So what did you choose in the end? Dont say iPhone 11..
F is the aperture the amount of light let in
I'm in Croatia right now where I have an amazing view over the mountains and bright stars. Trying to make some nice shots on my P30 pro. They look pretty nice but they're still a bit noisy. Any tips to fix this?
can you do this again to Xperia 5V pls?
Interesting to see how the phone makers have used clever processing to get some very good results. Of course as photographer I would always be a camera user, but I can see for many people that this is plenty good enough or them. Perhaps not surprising how badly camera sales have fallen since phone makers have improved greatly their processing.
Most phones I have used (and some cameras not all) bias exposure to the AF point so that explains the differences.
Would I buy this? Probably not but for users who are into photos and want a small size then I can see they would mostly ignore a dedicated camera good enough is enough for most! I'd be fairly worried if I were a camera company!
I prefer real cameras too but sometimes the camera you have at hand is the best ;) I carry most of the time a camera with me but sometimes the smartphone camera is the only one available.
Fabulous video. Have ordered this phone today. Excited to see the camera features.
night mode combine multiple exposures photo.
using AI mode : the city is overexposed
night mode : thr city is well exposed
Thanks and makes sense.
exactly
Auto night mode will increase the dynamic range & Control the Exposure. Manually tuned night mode will not control the exposure. As a normal photo with same meta will not match the quality of a hdr photo with same meta values.
Thanks for the good comment.
F is for F-stop, photgraphy terminology. See F-number in Wikipedia. It is the aperture.
You are making mistake focusing on the dark parts of the scene as camera can't "see" in those areas enough to properly focus. If you use touch to select focus, you should focus on bright, not the dark areas of the scene, on the other hand when using manual mode, you can manually select infinite focus and that's ok if that is your intention, but there are ton of other slider to play with and perfectly tune the image, you shouldn't just copy settings from auto modes. This camera has ton of possibilities, problem is that 99% of the people don't understand how cameras work so auto mode and AI on is actually safest bet for most of the users.
Thanks for your comment. Touching has two effects as in all other cameras when you half-press shutter button and did not set up buttons & settings otherwise: it focusses AND it meters light. So a touch in a darker area is not only for focus, also for metering light which typically boosts brightness of the picture. You can easily try out with any camera. You are right on "too dark for focussing", depending on how capable the focus is (modern cameras can focus even in -3LV or down to -5LV) a camera might be able to focus in starlight-only even in dark parts of the live view. How good the P30 is with that, no idea. I also show in one part of the video how to manually focus in Pro Mode - which is a good solution if the P30 does not find focus because the focus area is too dark. Another option at night, as you correctly point out, is to take focus in a brigher area of the scene but with approximately same distance between camera and target. Then lock focus and change scene composition. Interesting what you mention on AI mode, I need to try this out more often. Have not used it that often by now. Thanks for the good hints for people who read this.
I'd be interested to see how this compares to the new night modern on the Galaxy S10.
Great video, but could you make the focus on the city next time?
True lmao
I want to see the results of the maximum iso from this camera, can it be ISO 409k ?
It will be very noise, not useable.
If you could see at your 2nd picture, the 10mp with the AI mode on, the city in the foreground is blown by the lights, but with your 3rd picture, the night mode it settles that light to a natural(ish) view. And idk what you said when viewing the 3rd photo (the night mode) telling us that it is worse than the 2nd photo without even processing the picture.
Can you still use wide angle lens or telephoto lens while using night or pro mode? Thanks
Yes you can
Yes, primary lens (27mm), wide angle lens (16mm) and tele lens (135mm) are available in Pro Mode.
Awesome, thank you guys for answering : )
3:40 its like the sun is just behind that clouds wth
I think the difference is in software rendering. Same metadata but different settings for ai computation in each mode.
Most likely yes. The firmware is still premature, some promised features, by the way, loke dual video filming, are not yet available.
Hello, what is music for end, time 12 20, please me.
All those camera reviews are made by people clueless about cameras. What a pitty. Please, learn some basic camera handling and photography skills, that will help a lot.
Very reasonable comment ... basic photography skills help a lot, even when dealing with a smartphone camera. Aperture/ISO/ShutterSpeed - thats what photography is all about when it comes to light/exposure control. Good optical lenses are more important than high res sensors, and people tend to forget this when impressed by 40MP or more, and a well-chosen image composition is better than high tech. Good call for going back to the basics, like it :)
Photo mode + AI master + smooth, I think that will be the best low light photo. 👍💚
Hello plz take photo with moove object, or use only 1shot with short shatter speed like 1/30seconds and high ISO
So I just took photos of tonight's blue moon. Anything above 5x zoom has no raw file setting. So I had to settle for jpgs. It takes great photos of the moon nonetheless. Will tell you more once I inspect the jpegs.
Hi.. Nice info bro...
R u aware of any ND filters or clip mounts that can be used on an Mate 20 Pro..?? Much appreciated..
I am unable to getting Zoom with front camera...
What city is that?
esses vídeos que informam sobre o p30 pro da Huawei estão sendo censurados e aparece a frase "vídeo indisponível"... tenho que ficar clicando várias vezes para conseguir assistir
I guess f1.6 stand for aperture value. As main sensor is exactly 1.6. could be coincidentally something else with the same value but most likely it is aperture
Yes it is like always when we see an "F" in photography the aperture, in my other video on zooming with the P30 Pro I explain the lenses and sensors. All three lenses have different fixed apertures.
I figured it out with correct data: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. Aperture is fixed for each lense. Any seeming aperture change is software fake.
I think the normal mode bump up the iso but the night mode make the exposure longer
The problem is you were putting focus on different things on different shots. BTW, F1.6 is aperture. I think lowering it to F4~5 with 20s exposure will give you better results.
You are right about that but you can't adjust aperture on a phone. Its purely fixed. Maybe in the future we will be able to but not as of now. There is no control over aperture. Only ISO and Shutter Speed.
Any change of aperture on smartphones like the P30 is software simulation. The aperture on the Leica lenses in the P30 is always fixed: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. If the phone shows some other aperture w.r.t. these lenses it is a software fake, not a real aperture change.
really nice for a mobile phone
A very gd experience sharing👍👍👍 any tripod recommended for smartphone? i usually taking photos when hiking, there are windy most of the time. Thanks for suggestions and looking forward to it.
I use my Gitzo with a holder for smartphones, price for holder about 20 bucks.
I Spend a lot of time in my garden. So I need as true a color as possible. So. What's the best phone for me please?
not this one that is known to exaggerate colours, if you really want a Huawei, the Mate 20 pro has truer colours , and it will cost less if you find a nice offer
Good video :) keep up the good work!
Thanks Bryan :)
@@mathphotographer Your welcome!
That photo is dope reminds of the Lord of the Rings Scene
i hope you compare the shot with dslr or mirrorless camera with f1.1 or 1.2 lens.. and see what this huawei p30 pro got.
My other cameras will be superior to any smartphone by sensor size
Actually, an aperture of f/1.2 comes only with very expensive lenses. The most expensive one is from Leica, called the Noctilux, e.g., 50mm f/0.95. On the P30, aperture is fixed for each lense: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4. Aperture change then is nothing but a software fake if the respective lens is chosen.
I actually like the normal photo better than night mode. If it's night time it shouldn't look like day. Just want to be able to see details in darker areas instead of pitch black.
hi, please increase the ISO to 800 or 1600 and take the Shutter Speed to 4 or 8 seconds on night mode. keep playing with it also with Pro mode. you gonna love it more than you do it now. P20 pro user from Switzerland (german part)
Cool, thanks, will experiment myself.
If you want to get best result from night mode use it handheld. Trust me it's results are miles apart from the tripod mounted night mode
Will try, thanks for the hint.
please explain, why?
Try it out you will understand. Keep on tripod for 4 seconds and take a pic handled 4 sec then you'll know the difference
Anyone have here can give link to a video about how to vlog using a phone in a best way like cinematic? please? Too much to ask?
Have you tried to shot in RAW mode?
Not yet, need to compare a RAW and JPG shot, good point.
Vevey, my hometown :) Are you taking the picture from the Mont Pélerin or Chardonne ?
You should be connected to the internet for better pics.
Hahaha
:)
Put the 40 megapixels back to get as many details as possible then use the night mode
Come on the best one is the one with the night mode(auto), which has the best dynamic range and lighting balance(non blown away like the rest) but was out of focus. The one with auto mode and AI you said that is the best, it is only a lucky shot on focus but still burned the city lights.
The photo is bright becouse you focus it in darker area and the software try to bright that part all parts of the photo become bright
Can someone pls explain why we can't zoom in or out in the 40mp main sensor? Why only in 10mp?
Excellent question: since the primary lens can do 40MP and the wide angle lens can do (native) 20 MP and the tele lens can do 8MP, if we are in 40MP resolution mode on primary lens there should be a soft button to click to wide angle or tele lens without going to settings and changing the resolution on the primary lens down to 10MP just to get the soft buttons for the wide angle or tele lenses back on screen ... maybe something to consider for Huawei for next firmware update. By the way, when zooming more than 10x the 40MP primary sensor is used in combination with the tele sensor to do the trick.
@@mathphotographer wow! Thanks for the reply. Now i know why..been thinking about this since i got the phone..
You just earned another subscriber 😊😊😊
Thank you very much :) Appreciate all feedback on my videos ... improving is always welcome.
Noel, here is a new datapoint I found out when digging into your question: If you go into Pro Mode and change in settings resolution to 40MP you get the wide angle and tele lens buttons on screen, so you can go to 16mm focal length (resolution then switches automatically to 20MP) and you can by pressing soft button zoom 5x (resolution then changes to 8MP automatically). If you again press the soft button for the primary lens (middle button on screen) resolution switches automatically back to 40MP. So this is much better than in normal photo mode with 40MP where we do not have soft zoom buttons on screen. However, you can not pinch-to-zoom ... at least on my phone pinch-to-zoom results in a message on screen that change of focal length can only be done via the three soft buttons on screen. Hope that helps :)
But night mode has much higher dinamic range...
Why would you want to turn night into day if you're taking a picture at night?
Apple fanboy chu chu
@@sgr-x8h I have an S9+, chu chu
Actually, that's not the intention of course. But if you can tweak settings to "turn night into day" you know that you can take good photos in low light ;) Look at similar videos on photography at TH-cam, "turning night into day" or "camera can see at night" is nothing but a saying for a sensor that is well capable of low/available light photography.
@@mathphotographer It's not the sensor, it's the software when it comes to low light photography on smartphone cameras. Pixel by far has the worst sensor, yet through software is one of the best at night
What A Phone Man... 😍😍
The worst thing is 3x4 at photos. Why they did it?
Because 4:3 Photos are what the Sensor produces by default. You can cut it manually or choose 16:9. whats the Problem?
@@tesario6039 of course I could cut the picture later, but it leads to loses of quality and inconvenient also. The same losses happens if you use the 16:9 dimention at huawei camera options (12 Mpixels instead of 40). It's obvious for each photographer.
@@Otchengazoom But i don't get the Problem. Or would you like to take pictures in 16:9 with more than 12 Megapixels?
Weird... The first one AI picture 4:09 was great, sharp and full of detail, but the second AI picture 10:49 was very blurry and the detail is almost zero. What?
that was all about focus, the first one was a lucky one. The one with the night mode was the best on lighting but out of focus.
Cause he tapped to focus, if you're new just use autofocus if you tap the result will be different.
more p30 experiments pleaseee
so you have ,,photographer,, in name and don`t know what ,,f,, is ? :))
The difference between the pictures on nightmode is because you focused on a different place that was darker.
F means focal length. That mobile has 1.6 fixed aperture.
Yes, figured it out: 16mm wide angle with f/2.2, 27mm on primary lens with f/1.6 and 135mm on tele lens with f/3.4.
@@mathphotographer Could you please do another small video of night mode photography of p30 pro after 10x zoom.
Would be better if you tried it on a concert scene like if you are so faraway from the stage and just how much can you zoom in on the face of the artist. As if you are right in front if them
Very good job! Well done!
Battery life SOT?
Battery life is great - 2 days no problem
Very interesting video and it's something I noticed with my P30 Pro
Seem to be some inconsistencies in the camera software which I'm sure will get updated.
Heard there's a Beta release in China of updated software, so will see.
Great informative video 👍🏻
Thanks for the positive feedback. I am sure the next firmware update will make the phone better, especially w.r.t. the camera software. Some features are still missing although advertised, e.g., the dual view video mode.
@@mathphotographer that's a good point. I'd forgotten about the duel video 🤔
please show us nightmode handheld!!
this is not a tripod camera!
Will work on it, thx
It a app about where you focusing...