The Steven Universe Movie Has Some Issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2019
- The production value of Steven Universe: The Movie is greater than ever, but the slick captivating exterior can't make up for the narrative problems that plague the experience as a whole. Steven Universe: The Movie looks great, sounds great, and is packed with emotion, but lacks substance behind that energy.
The way the movie treats the Diamonds is awful, the main cast only retreads experiences they already had, and Spinel (while zany, wacky, and sympathetic) has a character arc that's not particularly compelling and ends rather horrifically. Thematically, there's too many issues that fun packaging can't cover up, and thus I didn't like Steven Universe: The Movie. Spinel's clown shoes squeaking did amuse me though.
I endlessly looped "Other Friends" because it was tied for my favorite song (with Disobedient), and it got stuck in my head super bad, and thus I shall make it get stuck in all your heads too. Also, it just works really well as background music.
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I feel like Peridot has the best redemption arc out of all the villains in Steven Universe.
Peridots story felt really authentic. It wasn’t rushed. His story had a moral but it didn’t feel preachy.
"i could've lost all my character development!"
Jada Bailey disagree but ok
clownbottle who would you say has the best redemption?
And to think she almost lost all of her character development, wink wink.
fire lord: you're acting like a child
aang: no u
fire lord: hahaha ur right lets be friends now
Steven universe in a nutshell
White Diamond: I am perfect and everyone is objectively below me >:)
Steven: Say sike right now
White Diamond: Ok.. jeeze..
FTL radiation HONESTLY
Imagine if Aang defeated Ozai like he did in his dream:
Aang: "No, Fire Lord Ozai, YOU'RE NOT WEARING PANTS!"
Ozai: *runs away like a little bitch*
To be fair is an unforeshadowed Turtle Ex Machina much better?
The diamonds being flat out obsessed with taking care of someone to the point of LEAVING THEIR ENTIRE RACE to come live with Steven is... Really troubling
Are we meant to assume they treated Pink like that? Cuz they didn't. And the fact that swapping Steven with Spinel has practically no effect on how the Diamond's "adore" their small new friend shows just how little they actually care for either of them as individual equals, but as nothing more than entertaining amusement
atleast with steven they weren't abusive or cruel to him afterwards...hard to say what will happen next but I doubt there could be anything that could replace spinel anymore. Also it shows that their becoming better people and are willing to try to get along with others.
Ethan Micallef I think they want to make up for how they treated Pink, but agree it’s still very unsettling.
@informed interest them taking in Spinel doesn't mean they don't love Steven...I think they were just needy for anything/anyone who could be tied to pink.
1. They were intergalactic tyrants - moving where they are usually located to another planet does not even begin to describe this action as giving up their power.
2. The Diamonds are more doting than obsessed. They pleaded for Steven not to leave but they didn't force him to stay.
Keep in mind a year ago in-universe they all realized that they actively turned Pink away from them due to lack of affection. Them being very overly affectionate is..baby steps.
3. Maybe? The Diamonds will give Spinel the affection she wants and the Diamonds enjoy her - being related to Pink is what made them take notice of her (because they created her for Pink) but it's not the reason they took her back to Homeworld.
TO BE FAIR the Diamonds were properly redeemed in future
if blue diamond wanted to preserve pink's legacy before... why didn't she visit pink's garden and retrieve spinel?
Good point.
The more people analyze this movie the worse it becomes 😓
melancami Yeah, like.. Why didn’t she keep the garden alive and healthy??
Pink never told anyone about spinel’s location and she never told the diamonds so they assumed that spinel was just gone
That's a really good point
It's obvious, they forgot about her too.
I like how the art-style for Spinel reflects an animation style that has been largely abandoned.
Agreed
@scarlett broughton that is the point. Spinel is supposed to be one of a kind. An entertainer, her design is not supposed to be neither practical nor consistent.
@@yiledute "One of a kind" doesn't really apply to Gems... unless you're Steven.
@@danielwilson7193 All of the Diamonds were too though. Least, far as we know but as far as Spinel goes, yea, it is safe to assume she's not the only one in existence. (did Pearl even know about Steven's gem when she pointed out Spinel is pink? if not it means Spinels come in other colors)
@@danielwilson7193 well, we know that the other diamonds don't have other Spinels, so unless proven wrong, she is the only Spinel in the universe
Oh god
Steg should NOT BE SEXUALISED
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT AGREES
i feel like it ends up being just how you view fusion. because on one hand the show treats fusions as seperate people entirely. like stevonnie being able to drive for some reason. so the people who do it probably see it that way
but then its like, if you are looking at their components yeah its definitely weird.
but then, fusion parts still comprehend what they go through so its double weird now
I like to think of the fusions just like the ones in dragon ball z
@@Gatekid3 nah steg is a fusion of a father and his underage son. so... you know. you shouldn't sexualize him.
@@Gatekid3 They're not talking about fusion as a whole, they're talking about how the movie itself took a father and son (who is a minor) as a fusion and made that character hypersexualized. Steg is fuckin SHREDDEDDD and also in ripped up, skin tight clothing. If that wasn't enough, he fuckin pelvic-thrusts on stage while he's the center of attention. I know it's a reference to Elvis, and bc it is, I think that makes it worse. Like. *Why did they do this???*
I love Steven and I love Greg, but I hope (if the show continues) Steg never shows up again.
@@linlupin they also did this with Stevonnie. 2 kids in a trenchcoat hypersexualised. It's a thing with SU and I'm not surprised...
The Fanbase after seeing this film:
"The Diamonds did nothing wrong!"
"PINK DID EVERYTHING WRONG!!"
Yeah, absolutely. It's like the entire fandom forgot that the other three Diamonds did objectively much worse atrocities, on a galactic scale, but no, Pink is CLEARLY the most evil of the Diamonds.
I have not encountered this problem as of yet.
Everyone still dislikes the diamonds to some degree. Blue seems to be more widely accepted than the others.
Squidward yeah, I fully agree. I'm still iffy on Yellow because it's Clear she's Not Heartless. But I think Blue was probably a big part in swaying her to Steven's side and I get the feeling she still doesn't fully understand , or perhaps just doesn't care for, Steven and his beings, and why pink seemed to love them.
White is a big No. I saw a tweet on Twitter with a clip of them coming down to earth, saying how it's a reminder that the diamonds were just pretending for Steven and nothing else.
The way White talks is so transparent in the fact that she doesn't really care it's almost annoying. But it makes sense to me.
I'm a big fan of character design. Especially in a show like this, where colour is an important key role in almost everything.
The "colour" white normally is used to give a feeling of cleanliness, professionalism, sometimes even purity. But in White's case, she is absent of colour. Her first appearance to us shows how Absent she is to the world around her, having not moved in thousands of years and giving nothing back to Steven's pleas. She's emotionally nonexistent in my opinion, even now. Blue feels the most emotion in my mind, it's literally her power, whereas White just doesn't care and may or may not have her own goals in mind.
White is the big reason I was unsure about Spinel leaving with them. If White treated Pink the way she did to Steven, I don't exactly feel like it was best for Spinel to leave with her.
Blue though.
She gets it.
Take care of this pink gem you oversized teardrop woman. It's your second chance.
I hate both.
yeah for most the fanbase it is like that, but most of the fanbase is idiots so dont expect them to understand
"They're like aunties, or like grannies, they're graunties."
BEST LINE IN VIDEO.
Graunties is the discount version as of gruncle/grunkle
I'd love if the person or persons that gave Spinel the injector and rejuvenator tied into the plot of season 6. Like seriously where'd she get them from.
I'm really hoping it's either Emerald or Jasper. Maybe even Aquamarine.
@@DecafInvidia no it's an other gem pink left remember blue said one of pink lost treasures
Round table
Everyones forgetting about Hessonite. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember seeing somewhere that Hessonite will be in the show at some point.
She probably got the rejuvinator from somewhere the diamonds store stuff... Idk
BUT I WANNA KNOW ABOUT THAT INJECTOR
I found it really funny the way the Diamonds acted in this movie. They're only being good for the sake of pleasing Steven so if he were ever to go rogue (like an evil thing possessed him) they would jump at the opportunity to be horrible again.
Something else I thought was funny was thinking that in the movie it implied that Pink loved Spinel at first and gradually grew tired of her. It makes sense for the Diamonds to do the same.
I think it was less gradually growing bored....and more she wanted to be a "mature" diamond.
Brian brush that’s what I was thinking. Pink was growing during her time.
I don't think so, the Diamonds latch onto everything left of Pink so odds are they're gonna treat her like a little friend. She makes them laugh and they all can share their stories of Pink. Spinel wants to be the Jokey friend, she doesn't want to change herself, just learn to trust again.
Wich i don't understsnd, someone as a cbildlish, naive and playful as Pink doesn't seem the type to get bored of Spinel, maybe she wanted to seem more capable once she was given earth as a colony idk ....
@@420mralucard She doesn't want to stop being a jester, she does seem much more reserved in how she does this than compared to her original form. Might be that she knows being that much of a jester is what drove Pink away and she doesn't want to drive people away again. Pink left Spinel because there was no sign she could stop joking around for 1 second and it could be seen as how Pink behaves. Leaving her wasn't the right decision, Pink rarely made the right decision (if ever).
Spinnel: "you can't make things better by singing some stupid song"
Steven:ayy guess what?
Steven: “I’m about to end this gals whole character arc...”
Literally the entire show
I'd like to think singing a song is an alternative to just say persuading points that the song delivers in a whimsical way.
Or it's just a jab on Disney films, kinda like the beginning of this films.
@@paradoxtatorstudios9681 The previous songs typically underpinned actual character development or highlighted the shared elements of a relationship. In this movie the song isn't a representation, but a device used to convince the antagonist that she needs to find someone else to gain a sense of fulfilment. The message is fine, but it really should have illustrated that the sense of fulfilment comes from the self and not the person you've endeared yourself to.
It wasn't really the song though, she was the one who realised what she was doing didn't make sense, because it wasn't even what she wanted
I really didn’t understand when spinel decided to stay with the diamonds and she even said that they remind her of Pink Diamond who literally effected her whole life and gave her trauma 🤷🏼♀️
She loved her.
Miejsce Zerowe yes but pink really broke her heart by making her stay in the garden for 6000 years and told her that it was all a game till she learned that pink was already gone after all those years that made spinel so angry and heartbroken that she literally tried to kill pinks son *who has nothing to do with pinks actions* and not to mention how *she tried to kill all the humans on earth* just because she was mad at pink diamonds actions and what she did. so you can literally see that she was super mad at her when she tries to kill people lmao
Because she still had fun with Pink. She still loves her. She still misses her. What Pink did to her doesn’t change all that, and that just makes it harder to accept
GubbaNubNubDooRahKah are y’all stupid? Imagine someone says they love you and than leave you for 20 years without saying anything, that they will come back but never do, then they never talk with you or call you or text you forever *but they love you*
Spinel’s situation is worse, she was told that it was all a game and told to be wait in the same place for 6000 years by doing nothing and hoping for her to come back. It doesn’t matters if she loved spinel, what she did was unforgettable and any sane or Insane being wouldn’t forgive that in one day. She was so mad that she even tried to kill Steven who had nothing to do with his mother’s actions...
Blue Boi
I meant Spinel loved Pink. That’s an important distinction.
I think that was mostly because she found out about everything within that same day. Remember, she left the garden of her own free will. The fact that she had basically no time to process, especially after all that time, put her in a unique position to be incredibly unstable and therefore vulnerable
But besides that, that has nothing to do with being stupid. Have you ever loved someone so much that you can’t even understand it? You can forget about logic. And it affects people regardless of intelligence. It’s funny that you use the word insane. Sometimes love will actually make you wonder if you’re sane or if you’re losing your mind. Sure, in a perfect world it shouldn’t, but this isn’t a perfect world and we’re not perfect people. Sometimes it actually gets really dark. Whenever someone is murdered, the spouse instantly becomes a person of interest if not a full-blown suspect because of how often the spouse did it. That’s because the majority of violent crimes are not calculated in advance but crimes of passion
Also, where did the “societal equivalent of a toy” get a planet-killing amount of pure bio-poison?
Looks like pink had it (?)
ウィーアブー情けない stole it innit
She can litterally turn flat
I’ll tell you where, The Gods of Plot Convenience...
@@dravonianrex5902 Actually, I think it was implied the source came from the garden she was abandoned in. The gardens were super dead when she and Steven arrived, but in her flashbacks, even after 6000 years passed, they were a bit more lively.
White Diamond in Change your mind: **Basically tries to kill Steven to get Pink Diamond back**
White Diamond in the s.u. movie: Steven, would you like your cookies cut into a hearts or stars?
A lot could have happened in the two year time gap between Change Your Mind and the movie.
@@Charlie_Xplorer yeah true but we don't _know_ what's happened, making the change very weird and out of place
Charlie Liebert simply saying a character changed over tike without showing that change ot development is called lazy writing
Yeah, it was lazy writing and I would have liked to see them change in an organic way. My point was I still didn't think it felt as sudden or abrupt as the OP implied because I knew two years had passed. Lazy, not sudden.
It’s called character development.
Edit: okey never mind I was tired when I did this, forgive me. Jeez, I'm sorry😑 I didn't mean it in a harsh way.
THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD WITH PINK DIAMOND AND THE OTHER DIAMONDS! THANK YOU!! I LOVE YOU!!
I find it annoying how the show blames everything on Pink.
@@a.dennis4835 same
@@a.dennis4835 yeah, like, are we're going to ignore that Pink Diamond was first one to reverse her powers(meaning she not only changed her mind, she grew as a person)
Pink is a hoe and thats fact
Abuse does not give you the right to abuse others
But the other diamonds are just as bad if not worse
I loved spinel honestly. As someone who has abandonment issues, I gotta say that her development and her relapse were really well portrayed. I just didn’t like the conclusion. But, again that’s just my opinion. Also, where the hell was jasper?
Jasper probably went back to Homeworld, considering her past interactions with the crystal gems.
I was very skeptical about Spinel at first. Her bouncy design was just so different that it didn't feel right, and her appearance was really rushed, but I wasn't very disappointed with her. I love how they portrayed the effects of abandonment on her, and the time makes sense when you think that she'd attack in a heat of the moment rage after feeling betrayed. Her style also not only made her a lovable character but a terrifying villain as well since the way she could fight was unlike any other villain we've seen so far. Truthfully, she might be one of my favorite characters now.
I honestly completely forgot about Jasper. How come the diamonds and Spinel got a redemption arc but Jasper didn't? She was a pretty big threat in the show too. Missed opportunity on the movie's part.
Ikr! She's one of my favorite characters and they never shown her in the entire movie!
Jasper was at the rock concert cheering in the front row with other color Quartses. I paused to check.
The fusion between Steven and Greg should have looked like and been voiced by Jack Black
That would have been PERFECT
Oh wow, you're absolutely 100% right.
That would’ve been way better than the one we got! The one we got doesn’t even LOOK like Greg or Steven. Neither of them have abs or are skinny.
D Clark the word is two thiccs make an ab
HAHAHA OMFG
*_["rose quartz was a really awful person" ~ Rebecca sugar]_*
Ruby [Doc] you got a cameo!!!
GET AWAY FROM ME YOURE EVERYWHERE
So were the diamonds tho.
And the diamonds rased her to be so. But then again amythis turns into Gregs dead wife, garnit spouts propaganda, sady traps boys on islands to get jiggy with them, larz is a testimet to how surgur just knows how to make you feel about ppl because compared to every one else he's a saint cuas he isn't doing anything but being anoying,; nothing illegal at least ......ya pink just belongs in this show. She's not appropriate any were else 😂
Then why did she make an episode devoted to Pearl gaslighting Sapphire into thinking that PD was good
I was really disappointed that the diamonds were reduced to an over coddling joke. I feel like it should be reversed. Steven should've went to homeworld, then the diamonds make a galactic wide announcement. Then Spinel shows up and throws a wrench into Steven's plan to change the Diamond's minds. With the added misconception that Steven is really Pink trying to hide. Then we get the moment where Steven loves himself.
THEN the movie should've been somewhat of a montage of trying to re-educate the Diamonds WITH HELP FROM OTHER OPPRESSED GEMS! Like, I can't stress that enough. We needed to see how bad other colonies got and to see how the Diamonds reacted to their damage. We needed to see how the Diamonds deal with the Cluster. Cause it's still there, may or may not be in suffering because it's literally MILLIONS of gem shards. We could've had montage songs about each Diamond and the thoughts THEY went through during the reconstruction of their entire empire. Instead we got rehashing of characters we already knew about because "there may not be audience members that know these characters" or even "the people that STOPPED WATCHING BECAUSE OF HIATUS need to be caught up."
This is really good. ^
Sounds like a better idea, than what we received.
WOAH, YOU'RE RIGHT!
3 years later you’re still right LOL
I think that something really awkward was the fact that despite the whole "hey trauma should be tackled carefully and slowly because trauma and sadness" like with the corrupted gems and Lapis , Steven noticing that Spinel was actually a REALLY different gem before and this sweet goofy lady went hellbent in revenge, he just prompt her to relive everything just so he could save his friends that was like new levels of sucky
BuT hIs OrGaNiC jAcKeT :(
Steven just kinda fucked himself by hurting her again 3 FUCKING TIMES (he forgot to tell her he left in the end of the show he also left her with the diamonds and sent her back through her pain and torture she went through)
He didn't want her to relive everything though...he just wanted her to remember her past enough and stuff so it wasn't really new levels of sucky.
i know this comment is 4 years old but i just wanted to say that i dont think any of them actually knew she had trauma (or knew the extent of it at least??), he just wanted her to remember her past so she could get rid of the injector, correct me if im wrong
although i do agree that steven treated spinel quite shittily throughout the movie overall lol
New character summarized.
Steg: Testosterone
Spinel: The third wheel
😂
pretty much spot on
Aggro Morality: Testosterone is a steroid, it can do that.
😂😂
@@quinson93 testosterone is a hormone lol
You know, I liked the movie, but you make some really good points. It definitely had problems.
It was still pretty good. All media has its faults.
@Speedy Panda
@Thomas Curtis
You’re both salty against each other now, you better not say any swear words or your mom will abandon you for 6000 years
Exactly
@@speedypanda4169 how is he being salty all hes saying is that you're saying something that is not right and you secretly know that you're salty
@@speedypanda4169 by the nature of preceeding it wont matter.
At most all they can do is reference the movie.
Doesnt change the fact that nothing that actually happened in the movie will play an important role.
Steven and Connie's relationship cant progress past where it was in the movie which was (dating?). The diamonds arent going to develop beyond coddling Steven.
Spinel cant be called to at all because she doesnt even move until Steven's message.
So yeah extremely irrelevant. I cant even say that its worthwhile as a finale. Literally everything is exactly the same as it was at the start of the movie. All of the "changes" involve characters that remove themselves from the story.
"Pink Diamond basically exists as a scapegoat" THANK YOU
Steg absolutely made me uncomfortable.And yep I hated how Spinel went with the Diamonds. Like the last people I would let Spinel go with would be the Diamonds. Especially White. She should have stayed at that gem town so she can find friends there (as well as having Steven as a friend).
Honestly
steg was sexy yall are just cowards
RipWitch Yeah I agree, I was hoping that she’d be friends with everyone there :,(
@@deepfriedspaghetti982
That's the problem. A boy and his father being sexualized is so weird.
@@whocares7992 yeah but he was still sexy tho...
Yeah i noticed the whole “we love each other cause we remind each other of people whom damaged us deeply :)” thing as it was happening and i REALLY hated it.
I think Spinel tried to say that the diamonds remind her of the Pink Diamond that played with her, of the happy moments and the smiles, not the trason, remember she said that the smiles and the laughter is what she's after, they remind her of the smiles and the laughter of Pink Diamond, i think that was what they were trying to communicate with the smiles and laughter of the Diamonds. At least that's what i understood in the first place and still after watching this video and the move a second time, i don't know if i'm wrong and i understood everything the other way around, or that thought got lost for some reason
@@nadie9058 just because spinel had some good times with pink doesn't change the fact that she left her alone for 6000 years and damaged her phsyce deeply
I’m not saying she forgot that, but she rather be think of the good memories than the bad ones, but like i said, that’s the way I see that
@@nadie9058 that's a horrible way to deal with past abuse
@@darkia5031 well tbf everyone has a different way of getting over trama and stuff like that.Just because Spinel and the Diamonds were hurt by Pink doesn't mean that they still dont miss her in a way.
Peridot is the only character that had a well done redemption arc in my opinion,
There were multiple episodes where she learns new things about herself and the other gems
I love peridot, end of story
Edit: A lot of you guys are going off about lapis' arc, and I'm pretty pissed about that too.
I wish lapis had gotten an apology from the gems or closure from her anxiety with them. She still doesn't interact with the 3 main gems as much as peridot does which is sad to me.
I feel like lapis deserves more love :3
*Edit:* holy smokes look at dem likes :0
Agreed. So far she’s the only former enemy that’s been given that much time and attention, though. Which kinda sucks. I’m still hoping someone else will get the chance to shine that much.
I'm upset with how shafted Lapis's story was. She wasn't given enough time to complete her full arc and rediscover what's important. She just sorta...fixed herself offscreen.
@@lugialover09 I thought the same thing, even still Lapis doesn't interact with the other 3 main gems as much as peridot does.
I felt lapis's story arc COULD be good, but it felt unfinished and left opened.
••Chîłł Øut Måge•• Tbh, true.
*I COULD HAVE LOST ALL OF MY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT*
Another messed up thing was in the ending Spinel was shown she'll be recovered by literally being the new toy of The Diamonds. It was sad that Spinel's way of "having a best friend" wasn't corrected. If Spinel may have stayed on Earth with Peridot and the two, she'll get a better glimpse on what REAL friendship is. Instead, she's a new toy to the Diamonds. That's nice?
Agreed that and the diamonds will pprobably just treat her the same way they treated Pink
The new episodes give a look on the diamonds and spinels progression
she can still be friends with the diamonds and the other gems though (yes I removed my old commnt just to clear up what I meant in case the 2 people who liked my comment thought I meant just the other gems like peridot no I also meant the diamonds to)
That’s why I cried again
I'm really pissed that jasper got no redemption arc nor was she in the film, steven universe ended way too soon, the last season seemed rushed.
She's getting redeemed in season 6 most likely
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Now it's not even a season. I think "Change your mind" Was a series finale for "Steven Universe" and "Steven Universe Future" is like a spin off
Yeah she never actually does get redeemed either...
neither was aquamarine as the show proves not everyone will exactly change
@@purrinpawz eh...more so a epilogue it felt like a real conclusion to me though
Uncivilized Elk: "If the bond between a father and son PELVIC THRUSTING their way into your heart-"
Me: *WHEEZE*
"Steven Universe seems really afraid to tackle the entire subject of systematic injustices" that's basically it
Yeah
As someone who really loves this movie, i can attest to this-
I know it's a children's show but now I think it's clear that most people who watch Steven Universe are mostly millennials and young adults. We can handle it, Rebecca! (at least I think I can mhk)
@@aerickajm9298 Rebecca wasn't writing SU for children, though
@@aerickajm9298 Plus, I don't think that's an excuse. She dug herself into this as she wrote the story
I ain’t calling spinels backstory unoriginal, but her story reminds me a lot of Lotso from Toy Story. They were pink toys who loved and cherished their owners,and after suffering from abandonment and seeing their owner live happily without them, they become mad with revenge and attack strangers.
I hate both of them.
But Lotso was hated while Spinel was adored by the whole fandom and had a good ending, and people even got to the point of hating on Steven for a really not good reason (even though he helped Spinel)
@@MusicLover-vv5nr Since when people hated on Steven himself?
It's unoriginal all right. At least Lotso didn't get redeemed even when he had a chance.
If you havent noticed by now people love putting redeemable villains with abandonment issues in their cartoons, look at a lot of popular modern cartoons and you'll see it.. it really hurts me as someone with abandonment issues yknow? It feels like looking at myself constantly
Honestly
It was a lot easier for me to forgive Spinel rather than to forgive the diamonds
Heck i still am mad at them
Who wouldn't and I've also forgiven Pink but the fact that people forgive the diamonds and not pink is COMPLETE Bullsh*t why? Because the diamonds have screwed up more than Pink. Sure she started a war got thousands of gems killed, about Spinel and left her problems to her son SURE but the Diamonds have killed thousands if not millions of planets and other species and even now they show ZERO remorse for it and their the ones who raised and abused Pink into running away
@@wook5676 so true plus pink being rose quarts tried redeeming herself i feel like people are forgetting that she saved earth and if pink carried out with the colony earth would be destroyed no Steven universe no nothing but people don't seem to understand that
Me too
@@legendarygamer386 I understand but I just hate pink and am pissed at the diamonds
I’m wondering if Spinel going with the diamonds is a way to lead into season 6. It does feel uneasy that she’s going with the diamonds who clearly need work.
yeah i was hoping she'd show up again and be like "actually fuck that." in fact what im REALLY hoping is that she ends up being a kind of reoccurring villain like peridot used to be
Yellow and Spinel have the same response to trauma: lashing out. It is why she laughs at the “standing on my head” joke and no one else.
Everyone thinking the Diamonds got off too easy is in for a treat. About 5 seconds after they ignore Spinel pandemonium will ensue, not just hijinks.
Honestly tho, Steven just let spaniel go into a codependent relationship with both parties not being the best example of good mental heath and mental stability.
I think season 6 should be skipped and the movie is season 6 and there is just a season 7 it sounds wired but it makes a little sense
I feel like they'll restart the cycle they had with Pink and Steven has to help everyone break it
I mean the diamonds and Spinel still have a lot character growth to do. She calmed down but she really hasn't overcome her trauma and theyre all now co-dependent.
I love spinel. you just wanna give her a hug.
That's where the problems arise. Spinel isnt healed and the diamonds are not properly redeemed, and also directly contributed to pinks abuse and abandonment of homeworld and spinel. Conflict undoubtedly would arise especially given that spinel has clear symptoms of BPD, finding out such information would be catastrophic
@@TheAwkwardSacOfDucksand that could be the plot for season 6. Hopefully...
Shes like the yunyun of this show.
TheSiblings Yeah but still spinel is a villain and she sees herself worse as the diamonds. Remember in spinels words she said “She changed for the worst?” Meaning she also must’ve adapted to entertaining for one of the worst people as well. Meaning possibly the diamonds and spinel would get along anyway.
@@connerb.w.4422 Hopefully? o.O
um... yeah no ... no taks... i think its best steven universe just like... lik stop, please just stop.
As things a going, its only gonna get worse, and i think we reaching a breaking point.
Yeah, "writing itself into a corner" seems to be the best term for how su, basically, wasted the biggest possible threat and a source of a conflict. Unless they can come up with something bigger.
Also, I kinda don't like how Spinel broke power progression.
It doesn't make sense that it were Crystal Gems who had a hard time putting up a fight with her.
Oh, and I hate that Pink is made into a scapegoat.
The song "Other Friends" describes how I feel. "Don't really like how it ends."
idk where spinel got the injector, but i feel like she got it from a gem who is now resentful of the changes made on home world and the gem society, which might lead into the next season
That could be possible because there's still aquamarine, holly blue agate and emerald.
@@firemiracle well its been like 3 years...
Yeah, but nothing suggest that. I would love if that was the case but I feel like something would have been mentioned.
@@leadcultist2346 i dont under stand your point. i see no reason for them to directly set up the next season here.
@@leadcultist2346 i feel that the fact she went from being alone and having nothing, to have a world destroying device moments later is enough suggestion
*Think about this:*
*How did she get the injector and her* *rejuvenator. In such a short time, someone* *helped her. Someone gave her these.*
*Me reading the chaos I started: >:>*
.... Pink? I mean the garden litterally looks like it got the life sucked out of it. It must've started there!
@@dragonempress8367 6000 years will do that to plant life.
If you're literally just watch the movie you can see the garden is rotting from age.
Or she just stole it spinel is extremely malleable we saw during the song other friend she's able to make herself completely flat. The warp pad in the garden and clearly wasn't malfunctioning. Lars was able to steal a really fast and even larger Battleship I don't really see it as impossible for spinel to steal that injector
Part 1
I like to think about that it’s just the fact that Bismuth recognize the rejuvenator which wouldn’t make sense because that broadcast was AFTER 2 years with them taking apart the empire. How would she find someone who has something SO OLD that someone like Bismuth would have recognized it but Peridot wouldn’t? It just doesn’t make sense to me. But the injector does make sense that she would need to get it from someone. I mean if we look at the ones on earth from the prime kindergarten, hers is CLEARLY more advanced. The problem is that who would still have one after 2 years? And if someone did give it to her or help then they obviously don’t like what’s happening to home-world now. I think it could be a really good villain tho.
Part 2
This time the villain with attack the Earth and Steven because she is mad at Steven, not Rose or Pink. She is mad at Steven for doing something that his mother or anyone else wasn’t able to do, dismantle the empire. I think this will be a good villain because it’s not his moms mistakes he is paying for, it’s HIS CHOICES that people are disagreeing with. Spinel not killing him would possibly make the gem so mad that she comes after him herself and this time, he can’t talk his way out of it. I would like to see how he handles realizing that he can’t fix this by talking to her an that even if he could get the chance to talk to her, she wouldn’t listen. I would like to see how he deals with realizing that you can’t save everybody because some people, you just can’t ‘fix’ and that there are ALWAYS going to be people against you that won’t go to your side.
this whole movie is like badly made cake. It looks good on the outside but on the inside, it's gross
...............
Its like Minnie's terrible awful...and the crew is yelling "eat my shit" to fans. XD
fondant: the movie
How about... lava cake? In all seriousness though, yeah the writing was... yeah
"u cant fix everything just by singing some stupid song"
me : wait wasnt that what he was doing for 5 seasons in a row ok this movie is taking an intersting turn
some time later
he fixes thing by singing some stupid song
me : i saw it coming still disapointed
I don't like the good side of white, I wanted her formality
_Smile_ yes, really pretty but manipulative
It seems no-one is happy with the Diamonds quickly changing from the Ultimate Big Bad of the series to some comic relief aunties.
Edit: Nor am I, but I thought it doesn't need to be said.
I think it's just really bizarre SU creators and editors allowed it, I don't see a single reason why they would skip their character arc: It's anticlimactic, fans were dying to see the moral showdown and limits of Steven's peacefulness, it doesn't convey any message, which is basically the second plot of this show, and to make things worse it corners the writers into redeeming everyone now. What reason there was to make this decision?
Edit 2: I'm certain it's just a product of slip-ups, but this could be actually beginning of new, manipulative Steven. In just two years he unintentionally made the Diamonds dependent on him to the point where they all go against everything they know and believe in just to appease their adorable Pink Replacement.
When Spinel reforms Steven has no time for talking to her, making friends or all that stuff he did for Peri and Lapis - he just ignores her, letting her tag along just because it's quicker than making her stay. Even when She runs away crying he's doesn't feel bad for her, he just needs to get her memory ASAP. Then, he's happy to hear what made her cry, because it means progress. At the end he's happy to give needy Spinel to overattentive Diamonds, killing two birds with one stone. Easy solutions, putting well being of the close ones before well being of strangers - he's changed for a more seemingly mature version going against his prior morals.
It'd be great to have an arc dedicated to Steven learning not to abuse his newfound authority and go back to his "childish" beautiful values, but the truth is much like Spinel was used by Pink to forget her worries and by Steven to fix a problem she created, the Crewniverse used her to bring in the "There's no such thing as happily ever after line." In a way that makes her even more of a tragic character...
Kinda reminded me of the golden girls..but less savage lol
@@Wit2200 Cause these guys went from being the badass that where destroying worlds for their own gains for THOUSANDS of years. To both of them going good cause they suddenly REALLY love pink diamond, even though their treat like he like a burned that no one wanted when she was alive. Then have white turn good cause as he puts it a clapback.
I figured they were supposed to represent facets of emotion.
Blue for sadness.
Yellow for anger.
Pink for joy
And white for the calculating part of the mind
But they all kind of just bled together and became "the diamonds"
It's kind of ironic that the Crystal Gems brought about freedom of conformity, by making the diamonds conform...
I think Yellow diamond was just laughing at how sarcastic and ironic spinel's 6000 yr comment was.
she didnt just laugh at is a a joke. she said "youre right, that's nothing". spinels joke was the irony, but yellow was laughing at someting different.
Like if you told me a knock knock joke and i laughed at the fact you didnt just use a doorbell.
The thing I didn't get about that is that Spinel is extremely traumatized from that whole period of her life. And yet, the second things calm down, she's randomly making jokes about it. Even if they're meant to be ironic, it's not something a person would do. Well, I suppose they might if they were depressed and out of touch (which she certainly is), but they don't say "Hey, no, don't belittle what you went through." They just let that whole moment slide past them.
@@lugialover09 i make jokes about the trauma in my life constantly.
Hell one of the worst moments in my life, immediately afterwards.
It's how some people cope
@@ZanAzoth As do I. But I still think it sends a poor message to kids that everyone lets that joke go by. I personally don't think it's a particularly great coping mechanism even though I use it myself.
lugialover09 it literally fits her personality to joke about her trauma
If you think about it properly, the fans make theories that are better than the episode itself before it aires, especially for this movie, and when it actually aires, its kinda mediocre but they just accept it 🤷🏽♂️
Like all the Pink Diamond theories?
YES I was thinking the same!
Well the show is mediocre at this point, so the fan theories being better than the actual product most, if not majority of the time, is not surprising out all
you just expressed my thoughts, like my exact thoughts, I saw many theories about the movie that sounded so much better than what the movie actually was
Its sad honestly. The fans had been carrying the show without even realizing it. Without creative fans convincing themselves the show was good and worth watching SU would've ended a long time ago.
The moment when Rebecca Suger said all the villains are "misunderstood" 😂😂😂
SERIOUSLY, some people is irredeemable. Take notes, Suger
that the problem i had so much with the last season
@@23DEATHNUMBER i mean after watching the movie, spinel is the only GOOD villain that was written well. She had motives that was good enough to be an Antagonist
Roger That! Not really
@@larniieplayz6285 k
@@medaka-chankurokami1882 I wouldn't say the only good villian but DEFINITELY the best. Close second is Bismuth if she counts
“Out of touch, rich fucklords.” D e a d
I think zuko's redemption arc is the best ever to exist yet
Draoswaarg Baal Tbh, that’s an irrefutable truth.
A lot of it was laid down very early. Zuko was established as a sympathetic villain early (I think as early as episode 2 when we meet the fabulous moral trashfire that is Zhao) and having Iroh as a foil to him helped audiences care about him even when he was chasing the Avatar. I think part of the issue with the Diamonds was the fact that the mystery of Steven's origins needed them to be brought in much later, while Zuko was around since the very beginning.
Facts
Maybe I am in the minority here, but I feel like Spinel would have been a very interesting character to show a relationship between a human and a Gem with. This is mostly because the only one we have seen is with Greg and Pink/Rose yet that relationship itself is only as whispers and echos rather than a full blown understanding. The thing is, since the diamonds are now intermingling with humans, this type of relationship is now becoming more inevitable so this could be a neat way to jump start the idea.
The main idea for this is because this would give her what she wants, having 'someone' but this way she's not being treated as a toy. The reason I liked this idea was because it would be the start of her arc, not the end that it would seem at face value. She would still show this level of dependency, that she feels like she *needs* the relationship and that's why she's there. At first she'd act like the only reason to exist is because of this new bond, showing almost a sign of regression, and the person she's with could show that's not how this works. Wanting someone because you "want" to be with them, not because you "need" to be with them. Imagine seeing her where she's, at first, unable to understand the difference between the two. This could cause her to self reflect on what she wants personally, and who she really is. It could even end with a breakup of the two in a mutual and respectful way if they had a later season, where she realizes she doesn't want this relationship because she was only in one because she felt like she needed to be there for someone. Now, she wants to just be there for herself. Sending a message to those who only seek relationships because they feel like they need one to seek validation, but in the end the only person they need to really make happy is themselves.
Shit, you can make it even more touching if she went back to that person at a later time, now really realizing that she is coming back to the relationship because it's something that she wants, rather than something she needs; causing the relationship to be much stronger because of it. Though, if you did this, you'd have to show a very different type of relationship in order to show some actual character growth. The first one showing her almost attached and unable to get away because she feels like she needs it, and now the two feel more free and are able to accept that she doesn't need to be around the other all the time in order to be considered with them. Imagine where every scene she's in during the first part being this whole arc around where's never not near the other person, and if she did come back then they'd be found together as much as they are apart. Truly closing her arc at this point showing she's now doing what she wants to do, for her, not doing what she thinks she needs to do like so many gems have been stuck in.
I mean, imagine the line of her getting hurt for this person, her gem cracked to raise the stakes, and he shouts something like 'You didn't need to do that,' and she just responds with.
"I know... I did it because... wanted to.
To... protect you."
and she just poofs.
I think a scene like that could have some actual value rather than just... being over and done with like a used napkin.
Funny now you mention that hehe spinel likes Steven and by likes, she has a crush on him but he sadly likes Connie and I hate that cause spinel needs someone to love and who will love her in return
*steven fuses with mom(s) *
Eh, that's normal
*steven fuses with dad *
Oh no
Yeah but Sunstone, Smokey and Rainbow 2.0 aren't sexualized (by the show), like, at all.
Exactly. Probably because of double testosterone or because their combined musical personalities make him look like a famous singer.
@@thisdraco4794 What about Stevonnie?
Stevonnie is just really weird as well, they didn’t think about the whole supposed representation of puberty that much
No we hate him because steg is ugly
When I first saw the scene with Steg, my thoughts were "OMG! Greg's wish to fuse with Rose finally came true!"
I forgot about that, oh no
Same, lol. That's honestly all I could think about watching that scene.
The Diamonds were legit butchered, hyped up for like what? 5 years? And for what? A 4 episode marathon of forgiving millennia wide genocide
"forgiving" please. You really need to re-evaluate how you approach fiction if this is your hangup.
Mordalon alright, how about this instead? A 4 episode marathon of writing yourself into a corner and trying to avoid facing true villain conflicts and instead taking the high road saying that all villains can be helped if you just talk to them for 2 minutes. The diamonds for 3 seasons were told to be ruthless, unforgiving tyrants, Peridot and Jasper felt like real threats for so long, and they were just side villains. But the diamonds who were supposed to be even scarier are instead left to have a therapy session with Steven and work out their problems instantly once they actually listen to him, Blue Diamond’s original betrayal was decent, Yellow Diamond was far too rushed, and White? White has been turned into nothing more than an overbearing mother, remember when she brainwashed Pink’s original Pearl for several hundred years? Remember when she knowingly corrupted all gems on earth? Remember when she literally ripped out Stevens gem because that’s what she thought would bring Pink back? Yeah let’s just forgive her because she learned compassion after blushing once, demoting them to comic relief. The diamonds got ruined over the last 2 arcs of season 3. Is this explanation better than saying “forgiveness”?
@@Mordalon I remember when Yellow and Blue diamond were revealed in it could've been great and I was so excited and hyped when I saw White Diamond's mural yet not being introduced to it while it was kind of in the background of everyone climbing up the stairs and nobody else noticing it. It was tension and dramatic irony that perfectly played into the fact that this entity, possibly even greater than the two other goddesses ruling over a parasitic empire, that really captivated so many theories and speculation and hype for over 2-3 years. When White Diamond was first introduced, although a little rush to her sudden introduction when healing centipeedle, it was terrifying and scary to see this goddess of the goddesses acting passive aggressive and flat out ignoring steven as a lower entity.
BUT THEN, UNDER 2 MINUTES THIS OVERRULING HITLER OF THE HITLERS WAS REDEEMED
it was such an underwhelming and let down of one of the best cartoon villains that has been hyped up for literal years and it doesn't even make any sense on why it even happened. It was so disappointing for me, especially since I kind of grew up on Steven Universe and arguably the best seasons were 1-2 and maybe some of 3. This show had potential, but the writing was just so weak it didn't hold up for me and many others.
well in the movie it was 2 years so who knows what happened (even though it still doesn´t make that much sense for them to be like loving grandmas)
@@itsmax9535 Did you forget how broken up they were when they thought Pink had been dead? They saw Pink like their daughter, of coarse they'd see Steven, her "child", like a son/grandson.
The reason people find it extremely sad that she was left alone for thousands of years on that planet when the other gems also experienced abandonment is because when the gems were abandoned, they had each other, but spinel had no one. She couldn't grow. She had no one to talk to or play with or even to fight. She was stuck in time, standing in the garden. Meanwhile Steven and the other gems were continuing to figure stuff out and support each other.
I don't understand steg's design. A fat man + fat teen = bodybuilder Elvis Presley?? Where the hell does the jaw came from??
I liked the movie, but these are valid criticisms.
Sunny Day i agree, I just feel like he’s a bit harsh...
tali_ love how? he has the most monotone voice lmao
@@bydstc1904 so a monotone voice makes his criticisms less valid somehow? 😕😓
Sunny Day dude I literally agreed with you tf... lol I said how could he be harsh when his voice is monotone af I agree with every point made in this video
@@bydstc1904 then I must've misread. My bad
For the Garnet critique: Every gem that pass a reset has a part of who they were in them. I think Garnet's love is like the abandon trauma Spinel has even after the reset
Yeah, she even showed this when Steven told her to stay, when he tried to go look for amythest
Hello purest character ever created in Steven universe
I mostly liked the music. "Other friends" was excellent!
the only reason I can enjoy the movie, THE GORGEOUS SOUNDTRACK
I think most of the problems SU has is rooted in their management of pacing. They always had an abundance of non-gem episodes then cram gem-centric plot in the season finales.
SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT OMG
Steven:Lost his powers almost completly
Lapis:You have healing powers, you can save them!
What?
also shouldn't Rose's fountain be overflowing with healing essence that should heal the Gems on a similar level assuming it is healable that way at all
Even if the Diamonds couldn't help with fixing the damage the drill caused they still could have helped to prevent further damage. Steven even said that before they went to the drill to investigate the actual problem. The Diamonds are the literal most powerful beeing in the whole universe and Steven has the balls to assume that they won't be of any help? Bismuth even tells him that the weapon that took his powers from him was used by the Diamonds. Why not get the people that f*cking invented it to help you out. Who would have more knowledge about gem stuff than the creators of the gem race itself?
Mabye she meant psychological healing?
@@yaoinator Lapis was reffering to Steven's ability to physically heal gems. It should be noted that both he and Blue can psychologically heal gems. Whit probably plays into that too.
I also like the part when Spinel the entertainment Gem somehow telepathically controls the injector and Peridot the electrician isn't even sure of its contents until she microwaves it lmao
also none of the Gems who also have shapeshifting powers try to make a horn thing to control it? or maybe the Diamonds that definitely manufacturered the injector could bring other Gems to depower it
It seems Spinel has borderline personality disorder and I swear to god hanging out with the diamonds will give her multiple personality disorder cause I definitely got the feeling they gonna treat her like pink and gonna break her mind!
Pretty sure the diamonds made spinel based on how they saw pink and than just gave spinel to her.
break your mind
Yeah...
@@deridot9036 BREAK, BREAK, BREAK -MY- YOUR MIND, BREAK IT TILL THE TAIL UNWINDS
I think she just wants a freind to play with.
Even the movie's core message is conflicting: Steven's lesson was about moving on and stop conforming, all while the intention of the story was to invite the audience to keep themselves glued to the series and to expect more "Pink's lost treasures" to be uncovered. Sigh.
I guess I'm just done with _Steven Universe._ It delivered some of the most unique, bizarre and heartfelt moments in recent animation; and, while _Change Your Mind_ was an underwhelming result (probably so the few pending stakes and loose ends could be solved by the movie), it did however bring closure to the story. It was supposed to be Pink Diamond all along, and that was supposed to push the Diamonds towards redemption. It does makes sense, only that doing so for an animated, pro-diversity, anti-authoritarian, kid-oriented franchise was one hell of a job -- and it was unfortunately underdelivered.
Ought to say we were all expecting for a detailed guide to dethrone abusive authorities, and all we got instead was a golden star for watching the series. Ha!
Sipnel staying with the diamonds doesn't sit well with me
Me too pal
I agree the movie was cheesy but it was enjoyable noneless
Edit: phew i thought i was the only one weirded out by steg
He's a Jojo reference that wasn't needed
I know i hate steg. His hair looks like an intestine.
I just hate how sexualised he was for a fkn 16 year old fused with however old Greg is, it was just too weird
I was uncomfortable when i saw him but the song was good.
@@ColaLoser
If it can be a JoJo reference, it is always needed
Why can't they have Steven have his own mistakes come back to him? Like how he abandoned that zircon. Or forgiving the diamonds and the thousands of aliens wanting revenge on all gems.
Or those rose quartzs in pink's old space station he just ignored.
An idea : at one point steven realizes that just like pink diamond he's not perfect. He left things behind, he screwed up a lot, and he gets a flashback to white diamond's speech about him being pink.
Season Six needs to be about that.
Zircon is probably fine after they got redeemed
Season 6 should have a plot line that goes:
Villain is an ex-soldier from the war on Earth, all of her friends got shattered in the war, corrupted and lost as well.
She is angry because the diamonds face no repercussions.
She leads a revolution on homeworld and learns the truth about Pink Diamond being the one that started the whole war.
Her motivation is to kill Steven and destroy his home.
Realising that Steven is not Pink, she gets frustrated and tries to destroy earth or something
chistine lane what mistake Steven is perfect in this show like ugh
Tao Jones T.jones yeah and if you commit mass genocide or try to it’s just ok and your forgiven like it’s bs
Here is another minor plot hole that I have noticed: The way Spinel found out that Pink Diamond left her to rot was by a Homeworldwide broadcast.
You expect me to believe the diamonds have never spoke about the rebellion of Pink Diamond to their army, their supporters possibly even other planets they were on, on a live broadcast? If Pink Diamonds "TV" (if that's what its called) never recieved one of those broadcasts until Steven??? I loved the movie but there are a LOT of plot holes
Oh, also during the song for Change, Spinel blips out of existence before she is off camera during the whole spin perspective part
that’s such a good point I can’t believe I haven’t thought of it
plus how the hell does she know what a son is, how does she understand steven isn't pink and accepts it without a doubt?
I was able to enjoy the movie cause I had low expectations to begin with. The longer Steven Universe has run, the bigger its problems have been, so I didnt expect the movie to be any different.
Spinel is a great character handled poorly unfortunately tho. I also think it was fucked up how the diamonds want to replace pink with someone that 'reminds them of her'. You dont love this new person, you love the person youre missing and youre using a replacement, which is incredibly toxic and not healthy at all.
(Same applies to spinel, but that has other issues with her trauma already explained in the video)
The biggest issues I had with Steven and the diamonds was the diamonds wanted her as a replacement for a selfish entitled spoiled brat called pink Steven also keeps pushing her aside and he left her without saying goodbye just like pink did he left her with ppl who remind her of her past abuser and put her through her trauma again and again
I just want rebecca's to stop being scared and make a villain that's just evil straight up evil
she will most likely do on season 6 but i'm not sure
@Anna Lialine same goes the mlp as well
@@vitorhenriquefarias8916 mlp is over so its too late
@@femylin oh sorry i didn't know
She wants us to understand that nothing is that 2-dimensional. Having actual backstories and justifications to the show's villains makes them much more interesting characters. Without lasting long, it's what makes them more memorable and what makes a lesson learned.
In regard to the message, Spinel’s happy ending would require her being with someone, not just being happy with herself. Unlike Pearl, who already has the rest of the Crystal Gems there for her, Spinel has absolutely no one. I don’t think she’ll be truly happy with the Diamonds, but she can’t continue to be alone to be happy right now.
YES.
Yeah, there's a MASSIVE difference between accepting a loss and being able to move on without them, and literally having no goddamn friends, I have no idea how someone with any empathy at all can't see that
Agreed. The part I feel botched about this execution was how she essentially becomes a court jester for the diamonds.
Man, if only there was a new environment for her to reacclimatise herself into society, with others like her who don't really fit into Homeworld society anymore, and maybe also some others who could empathise with her suffering....
Nah, just go back with the Diamonds back to Homeworld.
The conflict of the movie occurs and then is resolved because of Pink Diamond existing.
The scene with Steg made me so uncomfortable I had to skip through the whole song
I can relate. I couldn't even focus on the song because I was going "Ew no, ew no, this is so wrong! Please make it stop!" in my head.
socobinn it was garbage. Rebecca Sugar’s Art 🖼 is truly disgusting. ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!!!! I write SOOOO much better in my GEM 💎 TITANS SERIES!!!! My version is called Gem 💎 Titans: Jaken💖Universe Hearted❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖.
i havent watched steven universe in years after i watched the movie but the steg also made me incredibly uncomfortable
I dont like the way the diamonds were portrayed especially white, but personally i absolutely adore spinel as a character
Spinel is ADORABLE
Steven Universe - lots of love for it, lots of yikes in it.
(The Diamonds should have been shattered or bubbled for googol’s of years for their crimes. 2 years isn’t enough for 1 murder)
Abandoned toy who wants to take it out on strangers?
Like Lotso from Toy Story 3?
The miner in toy story 2?
@@Mclucasrv The pink toy bear
This also reminds me of Gabby Gabby from Toy Story 4.
Shes.... not....a toy
Shes a living thing. A playmate. Dear god
Spinel had the best songs, change my mind
@@SupervisorJanus no
I literally can't it's the best villian introduction the franchise has ever had
@Miss Terious I like the Nate Wants To Battle Cover
@@ConnorM0618 *HEY* are you steven Universe
her voice is very irritating to me so I didn't like her songs or the movie.
Honestly im tired of EVERYONE having a redemption arc
I didn’t like how things ended with spinel, we went through her “arc” where she said that she didn’t want to be treated as a toy or as an annoying bother. Steven says that he’s spinels friend and that he wolnt abandon her, yet at the end he kinda just dumps her into the diamonds hands so he doesn’t have to deal with her anymore. Spinek is just kinda swept away at the end which I feels goes against her whole arc.
The impression I got was that Steven wanted her to stay but Spinel wanted to go with the diamonds and get a fresh start, and he valued what she wanted more. I can relate to what she wanted.
As for her arc being swept under the rug, if you think about it she’s going back to homeworld presumably to take pink diamond’s place, she’ll be around tons of people who’ll like her, but not just because she’s royalty, since Steven’s influence has changed and will continue to change the way things work there (if not then wouldn’t steven want all gems to come to little homeworld and be influenced by him and the people on earth)
lina ware I agree with a lot of your points! However he didn’t dump here onto the diamonds. He even asked before she went with them if she really wanted this, since he knew how much of a handful they are.
Dan Of The Hour she won’t completely take pinks place, Steven is still in the position of a pink diamond.
Spinel herself said that she already hurt Steven and it would be awkward to stay with him, so she would need to find someone else to love her, the diamonds come and Steven introduces them to each other, solving the problem
Random Pineapple I think she will but steven will still retain the power and authority of a diamond. If you've seen Lord of the Rings, think of it like Steven is Aragorn and Spinel is Denethor
I wish they included more of Peridot, Lapis, and Bismuth :(
I wish they at least showed pink pearl in general
@@pencilshavings1389 or maybe, oh I dunno, GAVE BLUE PEARL A LINE!? also, we needed yellow lasagna to be a little more featured.
It’s ok sally face don’t be sad
I agree Sn0wFall3r
*sad jasper crying in the corner*
“Graunties”
-Uncivilized Elk, 2019
The hate for pink diamond that this movie brought about was so annoying. The only reason pink seems awfull by the end and the diamonds look great, is because Pink started off selfish but got better over time, and her backstory is revealed in reverse, so it looks like she gets worse and worse.
The diamonds act like dogs to steven. I hate it so much. They changed so quickly and they became weirdly obsessive. Why.
becauseee PInkkkkkk, "wee loveee pinkkk", we neeeeeed pinkkkkkk
wh. hello? Well it’s been two years since Change Your Mind
2 years to them is like seconds
@@jeffreyquinde6707 You gotta admit that the diamonds turning to good people happened wayyy to fast my dude.
Virtually Depressed It’s Steven Universe. Every bad guy “MUST” be redeemed
You cant fix abandonment problems with random new ‘friends’ taking you in
I mean... You can to some extent.
Having people take me in and give me the freedom to be me and to let me know that things I do to survive should not be shamed (be that eating, stimming, or anything else)...
All of that was an important first step for me getting over my own childhood problems that was full of abandonment and abuse.
And the thing is, the first ones to truly do that for me were complete strangers to me.
At least she has people who actually value her. Pink Diamond always saw Spinel as a replacement. She never cared about her as much as she cared about Pink Pearl, and left her in her garden without looking back. The other diamonds are actually interested in Spinel, and want to learn more about her. She was the only thing of value that they saw in an otherwise devastated landscape. Spinel’s going to be alright.
@@lucaswilliams2292 but aren't the other diamond also using her as a replacement for pink tho?
Depends on the person. If they are a clingy enough type the first sign of attention could make them redirect and cling to another person.
@ZonTheDon yeah it depends. I mean if you're abandoned for that long you'd want anyone at that point.
I didn’t like how they “changed” the diamonds, however I did like the movie overall
Now thinking about it, doesn't it seems kind of unlikely for Blue to leave the garden completely abandoned to wither away and not well preserved to the best of her ability like the Zoo or the bubbles as well as the gems bubbled inside? She went out of her way to even visit the area where she was shattered but never once entered the garden after her death?
Thank you for saying that Pink/Rose has been turn into the scapegoat to channel fan ire, I mean in a show where literally all characters are lovable and redeemable, the one true monster is the one already dead because they can no longer defend themselves
Génesis Chaparro that’s not at all what he said.
Pink is still horrible. He’s just saying that the Diamonds are ALSO horrible and we shouldn’t forget that
@@tiaamdunord7817 yeah they made her look even more horrible with this movie... This movie really didn't need to exist...
@@tiaamdunord7817 but it's still true; I mean Pink already changed and a lot, the thing is she ALREADY did and we're just told, sometimes shown, how she changed; but we forget that because there's now three Diamonds we can see awkwardly and adorably trying to change to please Steven, not because they realized their errors
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT BRO if Pink was actually alive w/ Steven she would be the first to be making an effort to change her past mistakes like omg
Tiaam Du Nord that is what he said- 5:43 - 7:03
I think the moral with Spinel was less about finding your own self worth in others, and more about finding a relationship/friendship where both are loved equally?
I agree a lot with most of your other points though. Especially about the Diamonds...
I feel like if they rewritten the dialogue between the diamonds and spinel and tweaked the song a bit more it might have less issues
Like yellow laughing yikes™︎
Would have prefer her to laugh at an proper joke spinel made rather than her trauma
Would have made a lot less obvious that they were trying to write her a happy ending out the movie
@@Famously5518 i think Yellow actually laughed of the "6000's years is nothing" "joke", like how she and Blue though everthing steven said in homeworld was a silly Pink's joke
Yeah, meanwhile Pearl is a case where Rose did love her back, so the focus of her arc isn't on that, but on having self worth beyond just her love for her.
Why can't pearl find some one were they are loved equally?
@@paloma4444 loved and yet nothing on the level of Rudy and sapphire. ....or Greg the man she had a kid with. So. Pearl wanted rose to love her the way pearl loved rose.
I doubt they'll go with it, but it kinda feels like Steven is only friendly with the diamonds is so keep peace? Like it really seems like he doesn't like them. Politically, killing the entire royal family probably isn't a good move. But it's su and sugar, so they actually are all a big loving family UwU
When i first saw Steg
I hated it already
I was confused on where the personality
It should have been a mix of the two
WHO DID STEG TAKE AFTER, STEVEN OR GREG
Why was the scythe able to pierce Stevens shield? Not only is there a weapon capable of resetting DIAMONDS, but someone gave that weapon to the gem-equivalent of a TOY.
oof
im pretty sure she stole the weapon herself
AND the fact the diamonds can't do shit to his shield
maybe she founded it on her way to earth
This proves the theory that there are bigger, more powerful gems than diamonds and that will probably be tackled in season 6 or something.
Nitpick about the movie: Why couldn’t they decide the length of Spinel’s tears? They ranged from ending in the middle of her face to going to the very end of her face like Gumball’s whiskers. Like Jesus, pick a length. This is a movie.
I literally didn't notice that though? I guess now I'll have to look for those instances of inconsistency.
correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it was supposed to reflect her mood
I think Steven Universe’s reputation for having inconsistent character models is like the MCU’s reputation for having Terrible CGI/Special Affects
Steven universe has had many many many MANY, and i cannot say that enough, problems with height charts as their storyboard art was barely sketches and clean line art with no real detail other than the characters on screen or the backgrounds even then some of that can be forgiven but what cant be is that the actual height charts for comparison werent even made until after the episodes aired.
Stretchy powers and cause it's probably hair
You're the first person to basically entire encapsulate my thought on the SU movie, and I'm quite glad I'm not alone on this
I really liked the movie, and I was fine with the season 5 finale. Sure it could've been better, but it also could've been worse.
But I really, really hate the diamonds in this movie. They are basically used as a comic relief and sing a song twice, even though it's almost the same one. The tyrannical leaders of a galactic empire are pleading Steven to stay even though it's established they know he wants to stay on Earth, and they serve no purpose in the movie other than to have a happy ending for Spinel, who is fantastic btw.
Imagine if while Steven was trying to cheer up Spinel as she wants to kill him near the end of the movie, the diamonds showed up on their ship and tried to kill Spinel for trying to destroy earth. The stakes would be higher as Steven would have to keep Spinel out of harm's way while also stopping her from destroying the Earth.
whatever, I still like the movie
One point I would like to see on the next season is something we see in the movie. Steven is getting selfish and I want him to get call out. He manipulates Spinel to get her to do what he wants. He knows the diamonds are still toxic and yet he let Spinel go with them because he doesn't want to deal with them.
It would be nice, to see Steven acting like his mom. She was adored too. Even Jasper loved her but she still hurts everyone. He's not so different of her.
Cherry Moonlit jesus thank you i noticed that throughout the movie and im glad someone brought it up
Cherry Moonlit Steven didn’t really manipulate her, he needed her to shut off the injector, and the diamonds were the ones that wanted to take her it wasn’t Stevens idea, so your idea of Steven being selfish doesn’t really add up with what happens in the movie, but maybe he could act like his mom in the future who knows
@@Manjreborn i was just about to say that
he wasn't TRYING to act selfish throughout the vid. i mean of COURSE he needed spinel to power off the injector, that is the most important thing to do first. and sure maybe he should've have thought things through but this man just wanted to get things over with and everyone else seemed happy at the time so...
@@blitz4506 it doesn't matter if he was "trying" to act selfish or not lol. Intention doesn't mean anything, you can be selfish without realizing it.
White and Blue looked legitimately sad by Spinel's trama.
Yellow on the other hand... STAY AWAY FROM SPINEL YOU MONSTER!
You could probably tell Yellow that sarcasm flies right over her head and she'd be like "nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast, I can catch it"
@@devizakura They're working on emotions ok!
I like yellow but yeah, I hope she at least gets told off for that
I think Yellow is actually relating to Spinel. After all, they lost Pink 5000 years ago. And hearing a joke about it feels cathartic. I mean, come on, we didn’t know Yellow can laugh.
Also, come on, what’s worse for a jester than a joke nobody laughs at?
She laughed at a joke that spinel made
I love how you brought up homework’s gems as potential villains. I would’ve loved for a scorned home world gem as the antagonist and setting the movie in home world allowing Steven to see the direct results of their tyranny and oppression and giving the audience more insight on home world and lore behind the diamonds and gems in general. Or even an entire planet attacking home world after being released from their tyranny. Maybe allow Steven to connect with his mom while on home-world and get some deeper insights the abuse she faced and give us some clarity on why she’s just. so. awful. It would’ve been cool if he realized that while forgiveness and redemption were good and necessary for change, they weren’t just solutions and while *everyone is worthy of forgiveness they should still deal with the consequences of their actions. It would’ve been a good way to address the diamonds “arc” and get them out of their writing hole of solving everything with forgiveness. It also would’ve been a good parallel to Pink/Rose because she seemingly never dealt with any of her wrong doings.
Idk I just feel like Steven Universe just evolved into wasted potential because it’s so much there that they do nothing with.
The *FANDOM* has issues.
YEP
I'm glad to hear I wasn't the one being very uncomfortable with the Steven-Greg fusion
SAME. Even coming from somebody who is attracted to dudes. He was so weirdly sexual and so many other videos are filled with comments talking about how hot he is and I just genuinely don't understand it. They could have made him cool or whatever to represent that perspective Steven and Greg have of each other without making him,,,, t h a t.
@@speedypanda4169 what the fuck does that have to do with anything lmaooo??
Speedy Panda What the hell does that have to do with literally anything lmao
I thought it was just me being lesbian since a lot of other people thought he was super hot and I was extremely uncomfortable
@SuperCool Guy McGee oh no I definitely agree, fusion isn't sex and it isn't a metaphor for sex in any way. But I never said it is. The fusion's character is sexualised, both in the movie and by a lot of fans. It's weird and I don't get it personally
Tbh when the diamonds showed up I thought they would use all their powers to fix the earth with Steven
Same I was very pissed off when they didnt ;-;
Steg was the most uncomfortable moment in the series for me.
Your first problem with the movie, which is what stuck out to me most, that the Movie was unnecessary and won't contribute to the overall narrative of the show is pretty interesting. This is probably a weird take, but I don't think the rest of the show will or should have much of a an overall narrative going forward. The Diamond authority was kind of the only real obstacle the show had, and sticking extra ones onto the end would just feel stale. Like they're just padding for extra run time. The show has talented writers, characters that we love, and a giant creative universe to explore. And I just think that's enough??? Like we don't need some new big baddie or a civil war or something. I would much rather just watch the characters live their lives.
And the movie does the best it can given these factors. It sticks to the characters we love and the universe they inhabit. It sticks to themes of inner conflict and love. It delivers what we used to get from this show minus the overarching plot of defeating home world, and I think that's all we need. The alternative is much worse. We could have gotten another slightly more powerful villain than the Diamonds with a whole separate empire with some dumb shtick in an attempt to make the show feel like it has stakes. Or they could have retconned a character's whole backstory in order to make them feel fresh.
I am satisfied with the Writers ditching the overarching plot and just using the same formula again because the elements they choose to fill that formula are always dynamic and creative. Yes, steven will always defeat the abused figure from Rose's past with a cheesy speech about self-love, but that figure is going to be a creative 3-dimensional character with motives we can get behind, the music is going to be off the rails, and the performance is going to be heart-wrenching. That's all I want.
I feel the same way, but especially about adding more villains! now all I really want to see are conclusions to stories or characters/character arcs that they didn't have time to follow up on in the final season. just, if done with grace, it could be great.
I agree with this a lot
There's 3 stages to watching Steven universe
1-. the bliss: you just turn your brain off and enjoy the pretty colors
2-. The fan: You watch the movies and see the message the creators *wanted* to convey
3-. The yikes: your brain eventually turns back on again and you start thinking about it, and then you see how every detail highlights the worse possibilities and how everything but the center is actually very, very coarse.
Or you can just enjoy watching the show.
Might as well, right? I watch this show only for the bliss, didnt care about nitpicking it because its visually stunning and point being that this show is in a kids channel where they want to experience bliss without thinking about the show. Maybe years of harsh maturity made us uncontent to the childhood show that was supposed to be perfect because of nostalgia. Thats my point, thats why i still watch this show just for escapism
@@holless Yeah because the message meant for K I D S is that anyone can be redeemed even if theyre a serial killer right?
2:22 I must disagree with you there. Being left behind and replaced is something every single person has felt. That anger, that betrayal, and what it makes you want to do is something we have in common. It was fantastic groundwork to establish a bond between the audience and our antagonist. But Spinel was more than that. Because she actually followed through with her anger.
It allowed the audience to see their anger manifested on screen, and explore where it takes us. And then it comes to a conclusion in the song "Change" , when Spinel tells Steven that he can't choose how she feels, to which he responds that SHE can.
Because that hurt and betrayal doesn't end with revenge, it ends with change.
Not to mention solitary confinement is considered a form of torture with a plethora of side effects that impact one's mental health. Gem or not yikes.
THANK YOU! I loved the show so much up until the season 5 finale as well.
As I was watching, I thought: there's only 3 episodes left, how are they gonna wrap it up so fast? And then they wasted an episode on a Watermelon Steven episode. That's when I knew the ending would suck.
And then the movie... ugh. It had such a great concept.
Spinel's story is captivating, but the execution was horrible. You mean to tell me this bouncy girl can take on the very same Gems that have defeated enemies MUCH STRONGER than her? Like, it wasn't even a fight. She straight up beat them so easily, which was eye-roll enducing.
And all of a sudden she also has this OP weapon that sets everyone to "default"? Supposedly the Diamonds used it back in the day, but when? It LITERALLY was never mentioned before. And if it existed, why didn't they use it more? They apparently shattered several Crystal Gems during the war; wouldn't it have been more effective to use the scepter on them to further increase their army?
Like, why didn't the Diamonds just use it in Homeworld? When they were captured for fusing and causing a scene, they easily could have been struck with the scepter and be done with it.
And don't get me started on the injector. Like, where did it come from? Why didn't the diamonds use something like that during the war? Why didn't Lapis just encircle it with water and tear the whole cliff off? The ocean is right there and we know she's capable of that.
Oh no we can't touch it! So? Just take the whole thing then. Problem solved.
I really like the movie but I completely understand your criticisms. Like, these are legit. Especially about Spinel living with the Diamonds. Like..I really wanted her to gain enough self confidence to love herself instead of trying to love someone else to feel whole...but no..we got this-
I doubt this is the last we see of Spinel. Season 6 is still coming out. Sugar has stated that Spinel's story was a 'work in progress' and she has a long way to go. It was a means to wrap up the movie but not the end of the story.
I think that can easily apply to the Diamonds too.
My question was WHY THE HECK WOULD SHE GO WITH THEM WHEN THEY REMIND HER OF THE PERSON WHO TRAUMATIZED HER!
Sensory Princess
Because she still had fun with Pink. She still loves her. She still misses her. What Pink did to her doesn’t change all that, and that just makes it harder to accept