"If you've identified it's a trap, you're already too late." *Cadet speaks softly in the background* "What? What do you mean immediate evasive action? The Trap has already succeeded by luring you to a seclu-..." *......* "Oh. Like an ambush." (This doesn't happen in the Stormtrooper Corps. The Imperial Navy envies us because of our discipline and skill under pressure. Join the Empire today for a brighter future.. Join the Stormtrooper Corps for excellent schooling on how to avoid traps and Traps! - a totally unbiased -Stormtro- civilian)
So long as an emu Sith and his hoard of badly designed flying Hs don't attack it of course. Backed by the universe's biggest flying, intergalactic, paper football.
I feel like the Mon Cal ships were best at space combat because the Mon Cals themselves were amazing at spaceflight. They evolved to think three dimensionally due to their underwater environment. Things that a Human shipbuilder or astrogator would never have thought of was just a matter of intuition to the Mon Cals.
It has to be taken into account the fact that the Star Destroyers, as strange it may seem, had not been designed having space combat in mind. Like the Republic didn't have a real enemy, and so not even a real army, before the Clone War, the Empire was not expecting to have to fight pitched battles in space. How could it have been with all the major shipyards in Imperial hands? The Star Destroyers were terror weapons, designed to keep disgruntled systems under control. Huge ships with a menacing shape, a lot of turbolasers and a fighter complement able to intercept escaping ships and bomb the surface. Shields were secondary, since they are not impressive. When more was needed, the Empire could use sheer number. The Mon Calamari designed their cruisers knowing perfectly the Star Destroyers' weaknesses, especially to exploit them. So they designed smaller (less resources needed) tough ships, capable to resist the time needed for the fighter complement to do the job, or to escape if it could not be done. Firepower and "look" were secondary.
@@neutronalchemist3241 They also left weaknesses in their designs that could have been bolstered, but the Empire favours cheaper production and then just throws loads of them at an Enemy. I think it was likely their biggest downfall. Design oversights that they likely knew about being exploited. I'm, not the biggest Star-Wars guy, but this is how I've came to understand the Empire. Incredibly cutthroat environment where each officer is trying to one up the next guy, and often this means cutting costs in development. I mean the whole thing really mirrors the Sith philosophy where in Order to become a reach the rank of Master you must actually kill your Teacher and replace them... totally messed up. I guess there is sense in it though as it's like Darwinism to an extent.
Yes they kick ass...Their Own,because their nothing but moncalimari homes,and the moncalimari ships in 1v1 wth a stardestroyer,stardestroyer will pull out victories almost evry time hands down
@Son of a Glitch I don't know in the current continuity, but in Legends if I recall correctly, the Mon Cal didn't enter the alliance til after The Empire Strikes Back.
I especially love that fact that they can also go deep underwater. This is very handy if you’re trying to hide from your enemies who don’t have the same aquatic capability. This served the Mon Calamari well when they were being blockaded by the Empire, with the Mon Calamari battleships being protected from the orbital bombardment by the deep water before blasting out of the ocean and escaped the blockade to join the growing Rebel Alliance.
The Mon Cal cruisers complimented the Rebellion's heavy use of fighters perfectly. By having such heavy shields and armour, and having such a large amount of hangar space for fighters, the Rebels could gain fighter superiority and still have a ship to come back to after the battle. Great video
The Empire, the largest and most devastating authority in the galaxy, legions of stormtroopers that can conquer entire systems, fleets and weapons that strike fear into the hearts of its enemies... ...beaten by space fish and tribal teddy bears.
The Mon Calamari Shipyards provided the entire line of capital ships of the Rebellion, other than the commander in chief. No other planet contributed that much. You can also see how they break the "color code" of the rebellion. All the rebel equipment, from the starfighter to the helmets, is burned and battered, but the Calamari Cruisers are spotless.
It was almost as strong as a SD but had 5 times the weight.It's not even close to perfection. www.st-v-sw.net/STSWvolumetrics.html#mozTocId697772 At least it doesn't break suspension of disbelief.
The emphasis on durability can be a disadvantage when an attack needs an upfront knockout blow by a capital ship. Durability doesn't mean much if you don't have the firepower to put an enemy down before they chew through your shields and hull. It just means that you are the last one to die. As the video documents that though, the Rebellion used them in ways that overcame this, hanging back out of effective firing range and delivering harassing fire while the smaller fighters and bombers took advantage of the ISDs lack of a point defense system. That said, the Rebels could have always made a couple with more emphasis on weapons and only use them when the extra firepower was required.
Robert Nelson but they can’t stand up to an Imp-Star in a fair fight. As soon as the Dauntless starts firing on one in Battlefront 2 it goes down. It’s stated later in the campaign that it can’t fight a Star Destroyer by itself
I've always loved how much of the language of the Galactic civil war, and Star Wars in general, is kind of communicated through the differences between Mon Cal Cruisers and the Imperial Star Destroyers. Star Destroyers are cool, and awe inspiring and all...but when it comes right down to it upon close inspection, they're living embodiments of the Emperor's (and by extension, much of the Empire itself's) colossal ego. Most guns face forward, overwhelming firepower, proudly displayed bridge, needlessly huge, and defense seemingly treated like an afterthought. Everything about them is arrogant, made to win the fight before its even fought. They're ships that aren't expecting a fight on equal grounds. The Mon Cal Cruisers on the other hand don't immediately strike as awe inspiring a note, but they're sleek, the size they're meant to be, well rounded, very well defended and with an overall design philosophy that feels like it was designed with actual combat and tactics in mind. Meant to fill a role in a larger machine. Even the bridges are bright and functional, with no massive fall hazard like the Star Destroyer ones. lol Pissing off the Mon Calamari race was probably one of the most critical mistakes the Empire made.
I love the Mon Cal cruiser, too. As a young boy, this beautiful ship was absolutely the stuff of dreams! Ever since I first caught a glimpse of it in the original trilogy, it quickly became my favorite ship. Beautiful exposé, as always, Eckharts!! :-)
Incendium Studios I think he means in terms of combat effectiveness, not aesthetics. The Mc80 liberty did its job but lacked the firepower that the later models possessed.
@@nicholaswong6737 You're not wrong, the MC90 was obviously the more effective in terms of combat (being designed as a Warship from the beginning almost 10 years after the MC80 line). Aesthetically though, MC80 Liberty the whole way; I've got a beautiful model of one, I keep it on my desk for good reason.
Mon Calamari Cruiser! Honestly I think both Mon Cals and their ships are the coolest things that are overlooked in Star Wars. Mon Cala's history, their culture, their relationship with their cousin species of the Quaran (don't know the spelling, sorry). It's all fascinating.
I wish these ships played a bigger role in the Disney/Lucasfilm movies. Originals and Prequels outgun the new movies in lightsaber duels, large scale space battles and land battles. I do not understand why after 4 films Disney/Lucasfilm keeps making average at best action scenes and very little Sith vs Jedi lore or duels. Just another reason I hate the new films. Jacen, Jaina, Jeged Fel, Ben Skywalker, Mara Jade, and Boba Fett were amazing in EU "legends" lore. These new films are boring. I started watching the prequels right around Christmas and still enjoy them a lot, despite the mainstream hate.
I actually quite enjoyed the newer disney SW films, although i do agree. The advancements in graphics etc should be used for good, I'd love to see a 20 minute long space battle while maybe like finn and poe have to board a star destroyer or something lol. Even a big ground battle, geonosis scale. The ones from Rogue one was good but there wasn't enough of it
@Cobb Yarbrough That especially showed during battle of Yavin. When only Black Squadron was launched and using these 15 years old snubs raped rebellion pilots that only 3 of them survived.
Couple of other things I think you forgot to mention, were their structural integrity was much higher than the equivalent ISD. If you set off a nuke in the hanger of an ISD, the ship was gone, if you did it to a mon cal it could survive the explosion and keep on fighting. They also had a much better fire control system, allowing them to land more turbolaser shots on to the enemy, than the comparitive ISD. That is what allowed it to dominate against an ISD, despite having fewer or smaller weapons, they were able to put those shots accurately where they wanted them.
I have too admit the Mon Calamari ships are actually well thought out multi purpose ships. Though I still have an absolute love for the Multi Role Venator cruiser carrier. Even with those exposed bridge towers I still think it's a much better ship than an ISD but that's my opinion.
A fantastic arrangement! At the beginning of the video I had a thought that you had touched on in your final point (the ingenuity of the Mon Calamari people!), and am now extremely curious as to your thoughts: Do you believe that the Mon Calamari - as an aquatic race that developed on a world where six fields of movement is commonplace in contrast to your average terrestrial planet - has an inherent advantage in ship design when it comes to warfare in space? In my head this has always made sense, especially when considering the lack of exposed weakpoints and omni-directional weapons blisters. Either way, a truly unique design! Thanks for the vidya.
Another thing to point out is that when you take a lot at engine placement, on many models of Mon Calamari cruisers they are almost hidden under a fin of armor making it a difficult to target and take them out.
Thrawn vs Enders and his crew( Enders game books) but with the same ships )8th attempt) please make it happen it’s an cool way to look at thrawn vs someone as good as him!! Thanks eck
@@haydend.5165 enders crew has more micromanaging because there's like 7 of them. It's like thrawn vs ender but ender has an amazing crew of officers and thrawn has typical crew
Gorgeous ships. I admire Star Destroyers but the MC80s I absolutely adore for their symmetry and more organic design. Look forward to seeing your content in the new year mate. All the best
Wait, you're saying that ISDs didn't have sealed compartments? What I feel the most in this video is as if both ships were created from different universes and work on different laws of physics. So much stuff about ISD energy trouble and then we just strap all the armor, shields and sensor on an improvised military vessel that Imperials can just give up. Creator pet syndrome?
I think ISDs do have sealed compartments, but all their systems are centrally controlled, so a hit to the bridge can disable the whole ship, while Mon Cal cruisers have essentially several "backup" bridges that can still control parts of the ship on their own. Mon Cal cruisers don't have much firepower compared to ISDs, which is the ISDs advantage. In a straight fight, an ISD beats a Mon Cal cruiser hands down... the Mon Cal just doesn't have the firepower to penetrate the ISD's shields. That's why the rebels rely heavily on fighters and tricky tactics to exploit the ISD's weaknesses.
Hyper... Drive... Ramming... HERESY!!! It made no sense at all from a continuity point then, and it certainly doesn't now. not to mention the film that featured it was a hot mess.
I'm not going to say that MonCal cruisers are bad, because they're not. Honestly, I think my problem with them is that they're too good. Working off of a frame that's similar in size to an ISD, they somehow have massively better shielding, stronger hulls, superior armament, more fighter capacity, and a dozen other little things? All from something that was originally a civilian spaceliner? It just doesn't feel right, especially compared to a purpose-built warship. We're given a very clear view of the ISD's strengths, weaknesses, and overall uses. But then we're shown this and and told "Yeah it can do pretty much anything". Just doesn't feel right to me, but I'm sure someone will reply explaining how this all somehow makes sense.
They don't have superior armaments. MC80 Liberties the most common Mon Cal ship only has 48 heavy turbolasers and 20 ion cannons Vs Imperial Mk 2 126+ heavy turbolasers, 20 heavy ion cannons and 8 octuple barbette turbolasers Or Imperial Mk1 60 heavy turbolasers 60 heavy ion cannons 6 Dual heavy turbolaser turrets 2 Dual heavy ion cannon turrets 2 Quad heavy turbolasers 3 Triple medium turbolasers 2 Medium turbolasers Honestly the Vindicator heavy cruisers of the empire were more comparable in firepower to Mon Cal MCs who had about the same amount of turbolasers and ion cannons. Lol the majority of the time MCs were outgunned by imperial star destroyers who had double the firepower they did, the only reason they stand a chance of winning is the redundant overlapping shields.
My apologies, I wasn't clear enough on what i meant when I referenced "superior armament." I wasn't referring to sheer mass of firepower or quantity of weapons, as the ISD's dominance in that area is unquestionable, but rather the advanced fire control systems that Eck mentions in the video. While not an extreme example, I find it another odd thing, that these cobbled-together warships have better aiming and fire control systems. My apologies for the confusion.
ISD’s were cookie cutter and VERY expensive. When you have a very modular ship to start with and you put the best you can into a small number of ships you get a qualitative advantage. The Mon Cal did this. Most of the tech was available to the empire but would’ve been cost prohibitive ( in the insane quantity they built) or design in compatible. Personally i think the best imperial design was a modified victory. If they had also updated the venator class to a modern standard and then only deployed ISD mk 2’s or something equivalent as flag ships for fleets they would’ve been much more deadly as a force. The victory was much cheaper, more balanced firepower, and faster on some of the modified versions. And updated venator would’ve given them a great carrier that could take a punch.
The new republics nebula star destroyer and defender were the best of both designs thinking. The firepower and force projection of imperial designs coupled with the defensive capabilities of Mon cal designs and mission flexibility in mind.
you would think imperials would take the multi layer shield tech/ strategy and put it on all their ships. then again they never mounted small fast tracking turrets for shooting rebel fighters so
@@purplefood1 The idea was that the rebels using primarily small fighters for attack, the Imperials had to remove their point defense so the rebels wouldn't just get shot out of the sky derailing the entire franchise. I mean how embarrassing would it be for the imperials if they had this great point defense system, but still the rebels got through! So better to save face and not have one so their terrible shooting is not exposed!
Real naval strategy is built strategy, you can't just refit your entire fleet, especially when is is needed on the battlefield, the same probably applies to Star Wars. A fleet is built with an overall strategy in mind, the empire probably expected to overhelm carriers with superior firepower and built their fleet with this strategy in mind. Changing naval strategy is very difficult, not just the ships have to change, the 'minds' of the navy too. Navies have always been very traditional institutions in world history, so I assume the Empire or any other superpower in Star Wars also had problems with adopting new strategies.
I LOVE this video! I've read novels, comics, seen movies, series, and I've repeatedly heard how the Mon Cals' can build great ships, but this is the first time I've heard it broken down why. Thanks again, great vid👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😁
Best Energy Rifle: E-11 Blaster Rifle, Star Wars; Type 3 Phaser Rifle, Star Trek; PPG Rifle variant, Babylon 5; Type-25 Energy Rifle, Halo. 2nd Attempt
@@warwolf3005 the M8 Avenger isn't an energy rifle, it's a ballistic/kinetic weapon. It fires sand grain sized shards of metal at extremely high speeds. Mass effect actually doesn't have any true energy weapons at least not mass produced ones, even the geth pulse rifle still fires bullets, just bullets coated in energy.
Elite tier ship design on display here. The Mon Cal Cruisers are a ship line that you love more the more you learn about them. It's been that way for decades.
You're right, these ships are pretty damn cool! I used to think that star destroyers could outgun them, and that the only use they had were as command ships and ships to make the rebel fleet look bigger and more powerful. I always liked them, but after watching this I will treat them with more respect! But there is one bad thing about them..... they are god damn hard to make in Lego! I am trying to make a mini rebel fleet, and am stuck on this and the Gr 75! It's because of all them turbo laser and deflecter shield projector pods!
Resurrected Starships pointed out in his video on MC80s that having an equal distribution of turbo laser and pdc across the entire ship meant that Home One class MC80s could perform barrel rolls broad sides, allowing turbolasers and shields to constantly refresh. This way an MC80 can create a virtually endless barrage of turbo laser fire while also distributing any incoming lasers to a greater portion of the ship's shields instead of one specific area.
The MC80 does indeed kick ass. It's a fierce opponent and very durable. But not only is it a tough nut to crack, but it also shoots back. And it hits hard.
Sentinel XS generally mon cala ships are better than quarren, the mediator or the viscount could probably go unaffected by the mega subjugator ion weapons because of mon cal shielding and decades better technology. So I’d give the edge to mon calamari ships in every class
The Mon Cal Cruisers have always been my 2nd most loved ship in SW(which may or may not have developed from EAW)with my 1st being either the Bellator SSD or the Venator SD
Thank you I'm not the only one who noticed how cool the Moncalmari Cruisers are in the game, they're one of the only reasons why I joined the rebel alliance in Empire at War!
I hate Mon Calamari ships. Well, that's a strong word, I strongly dislike Mon Calamari ships. I do agree that they are some of the best though, strong shielding and strong hulls. Great tactics too but what I makes me have a strong dislike of Mon Calamari ships? I hate their design. It's the problem that they're not symmetrical. I like the MC90 Liberty class, the ones with wings but all the nonsymmetrical bumps seriously bother me. They're great ships for sure, and their origin of being Mon Calamari buildings was cool but, like I said. Them not being symmetrical bothers the absolute hell out of me.
This shows why whenever I play as the Rebel Alliance in the Empire At War games, I always make sure to have at least a PAIR of MC80s (and a pair the smaller Mon Cala ship that got added in the Forces Of Corruption Expansion. I don’t remember its official designation, but it’s the one that Eckhart (I believe) referred to as the “capital ship killer”) in EVERY fleet I have. These things can fuck up Star Destroyers (even Imperial-Class versions) like nobody’s business!
1) No chance, a single hive could take it. 2) depends on the adaptability of the Tyranids to 8472 weapons and could they infect and consume them or vise vera. The real challenge for Tyranids would be a machine race they couldn't use for biomass.
@@casbot71 actually they could still use them as biomass because a common misconception is that a LOT of people believe biomass include only flesh,wood ecc.ecc.ecc but it also include biological thingies such as minerals and metal is a mineral therefore they would still obtain biomass even against fully mechanical entities
nah, not the core they are a migratory species they plan on returning after a few billion years eating cores would screw up the gravity too much for life to re emerge later besides you dont need that much metal in your diet
I'm the kinda guy who loves symmetry and order, but even I have to admit that the MonCal Cruisers look cool. And they're militarily versatile, which also makes me happy, because I like versatility... Interpret that in whatever way you want xD
One thing that always struck me about the competing ship design philosophies of the Empire and Alliance was that the Empire was building the wrong ship for the wars it could be expected to fight. ISDs are designed for fighting peer or near-peer opponents. They are meant to slot into a tight formation where all ships can bring their entirely forward-focused firepower to bear at once while their flanks are protected by short-ranged TIEs. But the Empire _had_ no peers in the galaxy since the collapse of the CIS. For the small brushfire wars it could be expected to engage in, the imperial navy had exactly the wrong kind of primary combat unit. What it needed was smaller, more numerous and more versatile units. Cruisers, not battleships (yes, it's called a Star _Destroyer,_ but in practice it's a direct equivalent to the 20th-century dreadnought battleship).
Mon Calamari Cruisers used some form of Fluid material to enhance Shield power and absorb slightly more energy than standard Deflector Shields. Add the redundant generators and the MC80 can easily take several ISD Volleys and dish out enough of it's own to destroy the ISD before it can take down the MC80s Shields. The Home One itself can easily take on 2 ISDs on it's own and can survive a brief skirmish with 4 ISDs before jumping into Hyperspace. Firepower/Shields: MC75: 4644/23220 MC80 Home One: 16209/81045 MC80 Wingless: 6078.375/30391.875 MC80 Liberty: 8104.5/40522.5 ISD-I: 12540/12540 ISD-II: 16720/16720
Mon cala has been one of my most loved things about star wars.. Their distinct design are just magnificent.. And thinking that this would be as a template for our future so called "spacecraft" soon.. either way its been my fav since the first time I watched the original trilogy back when I was still a younglings
The most important feature is that they can survive traps!
"If you've identified it's a trap, you're already too late."
*Cadet speaks softly in the background*
"What? What do you mean immediate evasive action? The Trap has already succeeded by luring you to a seclu-..."
*......*
"Oh. Like an ambush."
(This doesn't happen in the Stormtrooper Corps. The Imperial Navy envies us because of our discipline and skill under pressure. Join the Empire today for a brighter future.. Join the Stormtrooper Corps for excellent schooling on how to avoid traps and Traps!
- a totally unbiased -Stormtro- civilian)
but they can't repel firepower of that magnitude
So long as an emu Sith and his hoard of badly designed flying Hs don't attack it of course. Backed by the universe's biggest flying, intergalactic, paper football.
It's not a trap. th-cam.com/video/Z-d1Kcohzhk/w-d-xo.html
then explain calamari on the menu, mon.
I feel like the Mon Cal ships were best at space combat because the Mon Cals themselves were amazing at spaceflight. They evolved to think three dimensionally due to their underwater environment. Things that a Human shipbuilder or astrogator would never have thought of was just a matter of intuition to the Mon Cals.
It has to be taken into account the fact that the Star Destroyers, as strange it may seem, had not been designed having space combat in mind. Like the Republic didn't have a real enemy, and so not even a real army, before the Clone War, the Empire was not expecting to have to fight pitched battles in space. How could it have been with all the major shipyards in Imperial hands? The Star Destroyers were terror weapons, designed to keep disgruntled systems under control. Huge ships with a menacing shape, a lot of turbolasers and a fighter complement able to intercept escaping ships and bomb the surface. Shields were secondary, since they are not impressive. When more was needed, the Empire could use sheer number.
The Mon Calamari designed their cruisers knowing perfectly the Star Destroyers' weaknesses, especially to exploit them. So they designed smaller (less resources needed) tough ships, capable to resist the time needed for the fighter complement to do the job, or to escape if it could not be done. Firepower and "look" were secondary.
@@neutronalchemist3241 They also left weaknesses in their designs that could have been bolstered, but the Empire favours cheaper production and then just throws loads of them at an Enemy. I think it was likely their biggest downfall. Design oversights that they likely knew about being exploited.
I'm, not the biggest Star-Wars guy, but this is how I've came to understand the Empire. Incredibly cutthroat environment where each officer is trying to one up the next guy, and often this means cutting costs in development. I mean the whole thing really mirrors the Sith philosophy where in Order to become a reach the rank of Master you must actually kill your Teacher and replace them... totally messed up. I guess there is sense in it though as it's like Darwinism to an extent.
@@Top_Cheeze social Darwinists, yes. there are similarities. survival of the fittest, etc.
Careful there Eck, if you showed any more love for the Mon Calamari Cruisers, this video would've been age restricted.
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Lol
@Harrison Gray big peepee
I love visiting MoncalHub for my daily fix.
I don't know... Star Destroyers still show their balls.
"Today we'll discuss why Mon Calamari Cruisers kick ass"
Me: DIS GONNA BE GOOD
I can feel the BBQ Pit Boys spirit in this
Yes they kick ass...Their Own,because their nothing but moncalimari homes,and the moncalimari ships in 1v1 wth a stardestroyer,stardestroyer will pull out victories almost evry time hands down
@Son of a Glitch I don't know in the current continuity, but in Legends if I recall correctly, the Mon Cal didn't enter the alliance til after The Empire Strikes Back.
@Son of a Glitch I suppose that's fair. 😆
this is were the fun begins
For one thing, they look pretty damn cool.
And have some of the best..if not the best shielding in the entire Star wars universe :D
Justin Y you look pretty damn cool
Justin Y. is everywhere he should get a Star Wars cameo
Guys don't hate on the guy because his everywhere, it's his hobby, you can't hate someone just because your not as popular like him
Who is justin Y?
You forgot my favorite part of Mon Calamari spacecrafts: They're all submersible and can navigate under water!
Probably one reason why they're so tough they're practically submarines.
SlashBolt lots of capital ships CAN, the mon cal were built for it though.
@@gamingunner128 A car can be a submarine too, just not a very good one
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I knew it I was looking in the comments for this because they had to be
Mon calamari have honestly always been my favorite
It would be mine too, if it weren´t for the fish smell...
It’s not like you can smell anything with all that mucus, Darth.
Yes they are my favorite too you can't beat a lobster and tentacle type of people lol
I especially love that fact that they can also go deep underwater. This is very handy if you’re trying to hide from your enemies who don’t have the same aquatic capability. This served the Mon Calamari well when they were being blockaded by the Empire, with the Mon Calamari battleships being protected from the orbital bombardment by the deep water before blasting out of the ocean and escaped the blockade to join the growing Rebel Alliance.
The Mon Cal cruisers complimented the Rebellion's heavy use of fighters perfectly. By having such heavy shields and armour, and having such a large amount of hangar space for fighters, the Rebels could gain fighter superiority and still have a ship to come back to after the battle.
Great video
The Empire, the largest and most devastating authority in the galaxy, legions of stormtroopers that can conquer entire systems, fleets and weapons that strike fear into the hearts of its enemies...
...beaten by space fish and tribal teddy bears.
TachyonKing :/
Republic propaganda sure put lots of effort to make it look like that
Advanced space fish... But the teddies were indeed stupid.
The MC80 Liberty Type couldn’t stand up to an Imp Star by itself
*...beaten by space fish and tribal teddy bears..and plot amor.*
"Make no mistake, the Mon Calamari saved the galaxy." (c) Mon Mothma
No-one can dispute an evidentiary fact.
The Mon Calamari Shipyards provided the entire line of capital ships of the Rebellion, other than the commander in chief. No other planet contributed that much.
You can also see how they break the "color code" of the rebellion. All the rebel equipment, from the starfighter to the helmets, is burned and battered, but the Calamari Cruisers are spotless.
The MC80 was the perfect balance between durability, firepower, and carrying capacity.
also perfect balance of fish-lookingness and warship
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
It was almost as strong as a SD but had 5 times the weight.It's not even close to perfection. www.st-v-sw.net/STSWvolumetrics.html#mozTocId697772
At least it doesn't break suspension of disbelief.
I'd argue that the MC80 were under-gunned for their class however all other points agree 100%
The emphasis on durability can be a disadvantage when an attack needs an upfront knockout blow by a capital ship. Durability doesn't mean much if you don't have the firepower to put an enemy down before they chew through your shields and hull. It just means that you are the last one to die. As the video documents that though, the Rebellion used them in ways that overcame this, hanging back out of effective firing range and delivering harassing fire while the smaller fighters and bombers took advantage of the ISDs lack of a point defense system.
That said, the Rebels could have always made a couple with more emphasis on weapons and only use them when the extra firepower was required.
Answer: They are actually designed well.
Robert Nelson but they can’t stand up to an Imp-Star in a fair fight. As soon as the Dauntless starts firing on one in Battlefront 2 it goes down. It’s stated later in the campaign that it can’t fight a Star Destroyer by itself
@@caesarspeaks In the oldest Star Wars games (TIE Fighter), it was made clear that two MC cruisers might be able to take down an ISD.
@@hoodaticus But as you said, it had to be *two.* On one-on-one, the Imperial Star Destroyer still held the advantage. _(powerful sons of bitches)_
@@hoodaticus which one, the MK1 or the MK2?
@@MrDibara i mean obviously; they are retrofitted civilian ships.
*Mon Calamari Cruiser ready*
*FRIGATE STANDING BY*
TARTAN CRUISER REPORTING
Uh...
The nebula is blocking our scanners....
**SUPER STAR DESTROYER READY**
*Nebulon-B Frigate here*
I've always loved how much of the language of the Galactic civil war, and Star Wars in general, is kind of communicated through the differences between Mon Cal Cruisers and the Imperial Star Destroyers. Star Destroyers are cool, and awe inspiring and all...but when it comes right down to it upon close inspection, they're living embodiments of the Emperor's (and by extension, much of the Empire itself's) colossal ego. Most guns face forward, overwhelming firepower, proudly displayed bridge, needlessly huge, and defense seemingly treated like an afterthought. Everything about them is arrogant, made to win the fight before its even fought. They're ships that aren't expecting a fight on equal grounds.
The Mon Cal Cruisers on the other hand don't immediately strike as awe inspiring a note, but they're sleek, the size they're meant to be, well rounded, very well defended and with an overall design philosophy that feels like it was designed with actual combat and tactics in mind. Meant to fill a role in a larger machine. Even the bridges are bright and functional, with no massive fall hazard like the Star Destroyer ones. lol
Pissing off the Mon Calamari race was probably one of the most critical mistakes the Empire made.
Mon calamari is one of the most underrated species in SW
But did you know they shared their planet with the Quarrens?
The Shard.
I love the Mon Cal cruiser, too. As a young boy, this beautiful ship was absolutely the stuff of dreams! Ever since I first caught a glimpse of it in the original trilogy, it quickly became my favorite ship. Beautiful exposé, as always, Eckharts!! :-)
My favourite mon cal is probably the mc90 it's such a nice ship
BitNoodles To be honest, I prefer the MC80 Liberty (the winged variant), but they’re all pretty good looking.
Incendium Studios I think he means in terms of combat effectiveness, not aesthetics. The Mc80 liberty did its job but lacked the firepower that the later models possessed.
@@nicholaswong6737 You're not wrong, the MC90 was obviously the more effective in terms of combat (being designed as a Warship from the beginning almost 10 years after the MC80 line). Aesthetically though, MC80 Liberty the whole way; I've got a beautiful model of one, I keep it on my desk for good reason.
Nice but mines the radfus class which is the vicount i think but the mc90 still good
@@incendium8348 I can get that looks great!
Liked this vid.
Enjoyed watching your vids throughout this year.
Have a Happy New Year.
I wanna see the Scythe class ship from Legends in the new canon. The Indomitable from Gar Stazi
damn fine renders, nicely done!
Whoa I just voted on that poll and it’s already out? You plan ahead Eck.👍
Lol same
He sometimes does
Lol I think he premakes the vids and has several done, then puts up a poll for which one we want first
Wait Eck so this whole operation was your idea
Mon Calamari Cruiser! Honestly I think both Mon Cals and their ships are the coolest things that are overlooked in Star Wars. Mon Cala's history, their culture, their relationship with their cousin species of the Quaran (don't know the spelling, sorry). It's all fascinating.
There are a lot of new comic arcs involving the Mon Cals. Overall the new canon is showing some love for them and the Mandos
I believe the right way to type it is Quarren. ;)
That outro though.
I've never commented on one of Eck's vids before, so I figure wishing him a happy new year is a good place to start.
Mon Calimari were so underrated. They are literally a space faring race FROM UNDERWATER. We can't even get off the surface
"How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?"
Personal shield technology compared: Dune, Halo, Mass Effect and Star Wars. Attempt 10
That actually would be really interesting. Maybe add 40k shield tech as well.
Mass Effect had biotic barriers too. Just in general ME biotics > The Force.
@@hoodaticus BioWare makes Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. Later makes Mass Effect. Maybe uses some of the same ideas from before.
Dune wins, wh40k is second not sure about the others
The mon cal hands make miracles
6:06 poor doggy :(
Mc80 Liberty’s are my all time favourite capital ships, The Providence carrier-destroyer is a close second
Everyone that played EAW ICW as the Empire will hate when a MC90 shows up. It's just so hard to even penetrate the shield.
I wish these ships played a bigger role in the Disney/Lucasfilm movies. Originals and Prequels outgun the new movies in lightsaber duels, large scale space battles and land battles. I do not understand why after 4 films Disney/Lucasfilm keeps making average at best action scenes and very little Sith vs Jedi lore or duels. Just another reason I hate the new films. Jacen, Jaina, Jeged Fel, Ben Skywalker, Mara Jade, and Boba Fett were amazing in EU "legends" lore. These new films are boring.
I started watching the prequels right around Christmas and still enjoy them a lot, despite the mainstream hate.
I actually quite enjoyed the newer disney SW films, although i do agree. The advancements in graphics etc should be used for good, I'd love to see a 20 minute long space battle while maybe like finn and poe have to board a star destroyer or something lol. Even a big ground battle, geonosis scale. The ones from Rogue one was good but there wasn't enough of it
They do everything just good enough, with their durability being crazy good. And they just look super unique and interesting.
Love your channel, eck! Keep it up!
Lucas made an alien fish-face race and actually called them calamari.
The absolute madman.
Every time my premiere crashes i watch one of your vids because they relax the absolute fuck outa me
Eck with the knowledge you have on Mon Calamari Cruisers you deserve to be an admiral for sure!
Why do I have the urge to betray the Empire and join the Rebellion?
Because the empire ships are bad and New republic ones are the best
Because the empire lost to a bunch of refitted civilian craft.
True, but what about the tie-fighters?
This is why I regret joining the empire
@Cobb Yarbrough That especially showed during battle of Yavin. When only Black Squadron was launched and using these 15 years old snubs raped rebellion pilots that only 3 of them survived.
Couple of other things I think you forgot to mention, were their structural integrity was much higher than the equivalent ISD. If you set off a nuke in the hanger of an ISD, the ship was gone, if you did it to a mon cal it could survive the explosion and keep on fighting. They also had a much better fire control system, allowing them to land more turbolaser shots on to the enemy, than the comparitive ISD. That is what allowed it to dominate against an ISD, despite having fewer or smaller weapons, they were able to put those shots accurately where they wanted them.
It's satisfying to know someone exists who loves MC Cruisers and destroyers. I can die happily...
Didnt know there were split sides
I think most people do.
Battle of the dreadnaughts was a fantastically made video I watch at least once a week. Great job Ech
The Viscount star defender remains one of my favorite ships of all time
Whoa!!! I just clicked on the option for this on the poll right as I got the notification for this
I have too admit the Mon Calamari ships are actually well thought out multi purpose ships. Though I still have an absolute love for the Multi Role Venator cruiser carrier. Even with those exposed bridge towers I still think it's a much better ship than an ISD but that's my opinion.
Excellent video on Mon Calamari Cruisers! They're my favorite capital ships in the Star Wars universe. Also, your ending clip is hilarious!
Their shields are stronger than any trap
KILL KILL KILL ALL TRAPS!!
Only if the balls touch...
@@hafor2846 Incorrect, if there are two sets of balls, it is automatically homosexual,
@@itsyaboidaniel2919
Not if you say "No homo"
@@hafor2846 Nope, still wrong,
I like the 3D models of the ships
Not to mention they have a kick ass looking interior that we finally got to see more of thanks to battlefront 2’s campaign.
They can detect traps too, my favorite feature :D
Mon Calamari Phil Swift: "It even works underwater!"
Could be true
@@seomahazuri8999 actually it's not that it could be true it is true they built those ships underwater
@@avatarwarmech Yeah i know
A fantastic arrangement! At the beginning of the video I had a thought that you had touched on in your final point (the ingenuity of the Mon Calamari people!), and am now extremely curious as to your thoughts:
Do you believe that the Mon Calamari - as an aquatic race that developed on a world where six fields of movement is commonplace in contrast to your average terrestrial planet - has an inherent advantage in ship design when it comes to warfare in space? In my head this has always made sense, especially when considering the lack of exposed weakpoints and omni-directional weapons blisters. Either way, a truly unique design!
Thanks for the vidya.
I think the thing that makes these Mon Calamari ships unique is that they double as capital cities and ships.
Another thing to point out is that when you take a lot at engine placement, on many models of Mon Calamari cruisers they are almost hidden under a fin of armor making it a difficult to target and take them out.
Absolutely love your vids this year! Really loved the Doom overview synopsis/back story too!! :D
Great video eck thanks again man
Thrawn vs Enders and his crew( Enders game books) but with the same ships )8th attempt) please make it happen it’s an cool way to look at thrawn vs someone as good as him!! Thanks eck
Thrawn would most likely win. He would probably tear the team apart and negate their advantages
@@ryanestes7331 what advantages? He said they would have the same ships.
@@haydend.5165 enders crew has more micromanaging because there's like 7 of them. It's like thrawn vs ender but ender has an amazing crew of officers and thrawn has typical crew
That is definitely a problem Thrawn would definitely have. Especially the canon version.
@@ryanestes7331 Except Thrawn didn't have a typical imperial crew at least not in legends, his was well trained and coordinated.
Gorgeous ships. I admire Star Destroyers but the MC80s I absolutely adore for their symmetry and more organic design.
Look forward to seeing your content in the new year mate. All the best
Wait, you're saying that ISDs didn't have sealed compartments?
What I feel the most in this video is as if both ships were created from different universes and work on different laws of physics. So much stuff about ISD energy trouble and then we just strap all the armor, shields and sensor on an improvised military vessel that Imperials can just give up. Creator pet syndrome?
I think ISDs do have sealed compartments, but all their systems are centrally controlled, so a hit to the bridge can disable the whole ship, while Mon Cal cruisers have essentially several "backup" bridges that can still control parts of the ship on their own.
Mon Cal cruisers don't have much firepower compared to ISDs, which is the ISDs advantage. In a straight fight, an ISD beats a Mon Cal cruiser hands down... the Mon Cal just doesn't have the firepower to penetrate the ISD's shields. That's why the rebels rely heavily on fighters and tricky tactics to exploit the ISD's weaknesses.
Completely agree. Some of the best vessels come courtesy of the Mon Cala. Especially the MC90. Tremendous ship of the line.
Mon Calamari warship
Has strong shields
Has anti trap
Has Ackbar
Has hyper drive ramming
Hyper... Drive... Ramming... HERESY!!! It made no sense at all from a continuity point then, and it certainly doesn't now. not to mention the film that featured it was a hot mess.
The only ships in stars wars that look like spaceships.
I'm not going to say that MonCal cruisers are bad, because they're not. Honestly, I think my problem with them is that they're too good. Working off of a frame that's similar in size to an ISD, they somehow have massively better shielding, stronger hulls, superior armament, more fighter capacity, and a dozen other little things? All from something that was originally a civilian spaceliner? It just doesn't feel right, especially compared to a purpose-built warship. We're given a very clear view of the ISD's strengths, weaknesses, and overall uses. But then we're shown this and and told "Yeah it can do pretty much anything". Just doesn't feel right to me, but I'm sure someone will reply explaining how this all somehow makes sense.
They don't have superior armaments.
MC80 Liberties the most common Mon Cal ship only has 48 heavy turbolasers and 20 ion cannons
Vs
Imperial Mk 2
126+ heavy turbolasers, 20 heavy ion cannons and 8 octuple barbette turbolasers
Or
Imperial Mk1
60 heavy turbolasers
60 heavy ion cannons
6 Dual heavy turbolaser turrets
2 Dual heavy ion cannon turrets
2 Quad heavy turbolasers
3 Triple medium turbolasers
2 Medium turbolasers
Honestly the Vindicator heavy cruisers of the empire were more comparable in firepower to Mon Cal MCs who had about the same amount of turbolasers and ion cannons.
Lol the majority of the time MCs were outgunned by imperial star destroyers who had double the firepower they did, the only reason they stand a chance of winning is the redundant overlapping shields.
My apologies, I wasn't clear enough on what i meant when I referenced "superior armament." I wasn't referring to sheer mass of firepower or quantity of weapons, as the ISD's dominance in that area is unquestionable, but rather the advanced fire control systems that Eck mentions in the video. While not an extreme example, I find it another odd thing, that these cobbled-together warships have better aiming and fire control systems. My apologies for the confusion.
Thank you. You saved me from saying this. 100% agree
ISD’s were cookie cutter and VERY expensive. When you have a very modular ship to start with and you put the best you can into a small number of ships you get a qualitative advantage. The Mon Cal did this. Most of the tech was available to the empire but would’ve been cost prohibitive ( in the insane quantity they built) or design in compatible. Personally i think the best imperial design was a modified victory. If they had also updated the venator class to a modern standard and then only deployed ISD mk 2’s or something equivalent as flag ships for fleets they would’ve been much more deadly as a force. The victory was much cheaper, more balanced firepower, and faster on some of the modified versions. And updated venator would’ve given them a great carrier that could take a punch.
The new republics nebula star destroyer and defender were the best of both designs thinking. The firepower and force projection of imperial designs coupled with the defensive capabilities of Mon cal designs and mission flexibility in mind.
Always loved Mon Cal Cruisers. Great video
MC80 Liberty is my altime favorite capital ship. Second favorite is the Venator.
they have always been my favorite ships in starwars !
You fools the GR 75 is clearly the best capital ship.
TRANSPORT STANDING BY
"I always wanted to be a fighter pilot" *proceeds to shoot a tiny laser at an ISD*
Bruh it aint Got shit on my nigga, The Cloud Car
Transport ship
NO THE RESISTANCE BOMBER IS BETTER
been loving this channel lately, learned a lot about star wars universe - great work!!!
you would think imperials would take the multi layer shield tech/ strategy and put it on all their ships.
then again they never mounted small fast tracking turrets for shooting rebel fighters so
Funny enough the originals of the Imperail class Star Destroyers had point defense lasers.
They got taken off of the Imp 2s for some reason...
@@ericzaiz8358 I think the idea was they'd carry enough TIEs to control the field while the big ships would mostly just fight each other.
@@purplefood1 The idea was that the rebels using primarily small fighters for attack, the Imperials had to remove their point defense so the rebels wouldn't just get shot out of the sky derailing the entire franchise. I mean how embarrassing would it be for the imperials if they had this great point defense system, but still the rebels got through! So better to save face and not have one so their terrible shooting is not exposed!
Real naval strategy is built strategy, you can't just refit your entire fleet, especially when is is needed on the battlefield, the same probably applies to Star Wars.
A fleet is built with an overall strategy in mind, the empire probably expected to overhelm carriers with superior firepower and built their fleet with this strategy in mind. Changing naval strategy is very difficult, not just the ships have to change, the 'minds' of the navy too. Navies have always been very traditional institutions in world history, so I assume the Empire or any other superpower in Star Wars also had problems with adopting new strategies.
thanks for sharing your love of these ships
I just voted for this and it’s already out, bless America and the mighty shibainu
*Canada
Anywhere that isn't America*
I LOVE this video! I've read novels, comics, seen movies, series, and I've repeatedly heard how the Mon Cals' can build great ships, but this is the first time I've heard it broken down why. Thanks again, great vid👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😁
Best Energy Rifle: E-11 Blaster Rifle, Star Wars; Type 3 Phaser Rifle, Star Trek; PPG Rifle variant, Babylon 5; Type-25 Energy Rifle, Halo. 2nd Attempt
@@warwolf3005 the M8 Avenger isn't an energy rifle, it's a ballistic/kinetic weapon. It fires sand grain sized shards of metal at extremely high speeds.
Mass effect actually doesn't have any true energy weapons at least not mass produced ones, even the geth pulse rifle still fires bullets, just bullets coated in energy.
@@Legionzzzz1 Ah right, it's only energy wpns, I didn't see
Star Trek phasers are really op both in fire power and endurance and can even vaporize a human sized target depending on the setting.
Eckharts: "Today we'll be discussing why mon calamari ships are so badass"
Me: *Laughs in battlefront 2*
Venators will always be my favorite
Oh and great video, always loved the mon calamari
My favorite ship designs from the Star Wars universe
Elite tier ship design on display here. The Mon Cal Cruisers are a ship line that you love more the more you learn about them. It's been that way for decades.
You're right, these ships are pretty damn cool! I used to think that star destroyers could outgun them, and that the only use they had were as command ships and ships to make the rebel fleet look bigger and more powerful. I always liked them, but after watching this I will treat them with more respect!
But there is one bad thing about them..... they are god damn hard to make in Lego! I am trying to make a mini rebel fleet, and am stuck on this and the Gr 75! It's because of all them turbo laser and deflecter shield projector pods!
Resurrected Starships pointed out in his video on MC80s that having an equal distribution of turbo laser and pdc across the entire ship meant that Home One class MC80s could perform barrel rolls broad sides, allowing turbolasers and shields to constantly refresh. This way an MC80 can create a virtually endless barrage of turbo laser fire while also distributing any incoming lasers to a greater portion of the ship's shields instead of one specific area.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (413th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
I don't get why he won't cover yours. One day.
I will up vote everytime I see it! I'd love to see this!
The MC80 does indeed kick ass. It's a fierce opponent and very durable. But not only is it a tough nut to crack, but it also shoots back. And it hits hard.
Mon Calamari cruisers vs Quarren cruisers providence carrier, subjugator heavy cruiser
Sentinel XS generally mon cala ships are better than quarren, the mediator or the viscount could probably go unaffected by the mega subjugator ion weapons because of mon cal shielding and decades better technology. So I’d give the edge to mon calamari ships in every class
The Mon Cal Cruisers have always been my 2nd most loved ship in SW(which may or may not have developed from EAW)with my 1st being either the Bellator SSD or the Venator SD
I love the #bigfishcruisers
I love these reviews and the puppy at the end is great too! Every time I hear the theme music I think of that puppy.
The workers at LEGO really need to make a mon cal ship set
maybe a UCE version
Thank you I'm not the only one who noticed how cool the Moncalmari Cruisers are in the game, they're one of the only reasons why I joined the rebel alliance in Empire at War!
Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Victory class Star Destroyer. 10 Attemts
3:38 Mon "Calalion"😂 Great Vid tho!!
I hate Mon Calamari ships. Well, that's a strong word, I strongly dislike Mon Calamari ships. I do agree that they are some of the best though, strong shielding and strong hulls. Great tactics too but what I makes me have a strong dislike of Mon Calamari ships? I hate their design. It's the problem that they're not symmetrical. I like the MC90 Liberty class, the ones with wings but all the nonsymmetrical bumps seriously bother me. They're great ships for sure, and their origin of being Mon Calamari buildings was cool but, like I said. Them not being symmetrical bothers the absolute hell out of me.
Mon Calamari originally built their ships as works of art, works of art they strongly felt were unique. Does any asymmetric art offend you?
This shows why whenever I play as the Rebel Alliance in the Empire At War games, I always make sure to have at least a PAIR of MC80s (and a pair the smaller Mon Cala ship that got added in the Forces Of Corruption Expansion. I don’t remember its official designation, but it’s the one that Eckhart (I believe) referred to as the “capital ship killer”) in EVERY fleet I have. These things can fuck up Star Destroyers (even Imperial-Class versions) like nobody’s business!
1)could the entire star wars Galaxy survive the entire tyranids race
2) tyranids vs species 8472
1) No chance, a single hive could take it.
2) depends on the adaptability of the Tyranids to 8472 weapons and could they infect and consume them or vise vera.
The real challenge for Tyranids would be a machine race they couldn't use for biomass.
@@casbot71 actually they could still use them as biomass because a common misconception is that a LOT of people believe biomass include only flesh,wood ecc.ecc.ecc but it also include biological thingies such as minerals and metal is a mineral therefore they would still obtain biomass even against fully mechanical entities
pyrovores say hi
if there wasnt enough spinach on the planet the hives send those down to eat iron ore veins
for a balanced meal
HELL the tyranids devour anything on a planet down to the bacterial level even the atmosphere and who knows maybe even the core of the planet itself
nah, not the core
they are a migratory species
they plan on returning after a few billion years
eating cores would screw up the gravity too much for life to re emerge later
besides you dont need that much metal in your diet
They are beautiful,powerful,durable...just PERFECT
I love this ships as well. ☺
Great video! Mon Cal cruisers for the win!
Aww. Brings back memories,
I love the art scans you used
I'm the kinda guy who loves symmetry and order, but even I have to admit that the MonCal Cruisers look cool. And they're militarily versatile, which also makes me happy, because I like versatility...
Interpret that in whatever way you want xD
You're welcome to my flipdock whenever you need a port in a storm.
One thing that always struck me about the competing ship design philosophies of the Empire and Alliance was that the Empire was building the wrong ship for the wars it could be expected to fight.
ISDs are designed for fighting peer or near-peer opponents. They are meant to slot into a tight formation where all ships can bring their entirely forward-focused firepower to bear at once while their flanks are protected by short-ranged TIEs. But the Empire _had_ no peers in the galaxy since the collapse of the CIS. For the small brushfire wars it could be expected to engage in, the imperial navy had exactly the wrong kind of primary combat unit. What it needed was smaller, more numerous and more versatile units. Cruisers, not battleships (yes, it's called a Star _Destroyer,_ but in practice it's a direct equivalent to the 20th-century dreadnought battleship).
5:42 Where is this from?
Mon Calamari Cruisers used some form of Fluid material to enhance Shield power and absorb slightly more energy than standard Deflector Shields. Add the redundant generators and the MC80 can easily take several ISD Volleys and dish out enough of it's own to destroy the ISD before it can take down the MC80s Shields. The Home One itself can easily take on 2 ISDs on it's own and can survive a brief skirmish with 4 ISDs before jumping into Hyperspace.
Firepower/Shields:
MC75: 4644/23220
MC80 Home One: 16209/81045
MC80 Wingless: 6078.375/30391.875
MC80 Liberty: 8104.5/40522.5
ISD-I: 12540/12540
ISD-II: 16720/16720
I like the Mon Cala ships as long as their symmetrical
Mon cala has been one of my most loved things about star wars.. Their distinct design are just magnificent.. And thinking that this would be as a template for our future so called "spacecraft" soon.. either way its been my fav since the first time I watched the original trilogy back when I was still a younglings